Ruger MK4 Target vs 22/45 Lite
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- On today's bench review we compare the Ruger MK4 Target Vs Ruger MK4 22/45 Lite.
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Call the grid frame plastic. Because that’s what it is. Only one video does the person ever call it plastic. I guess when you called plastic it makes the gun sound cheap. But if you call it polymer. Sounds more sophisticated expensive and better quality.
😂🤣 yeah i am gonna disagree with ya and just say things the way i think they need to be said. you are free to do whatever you want but ALL plastics are in fact polymers so my choice of words is accurate i do not believe we should be saying anything that makes somehting like the construction of a firearm sound cheap, like it is made out of milk jugs or something... they are not, they are in fact more sophisticated. plastics, polymers. whatever you wanna call them have they been used in firearms for half a century or more with little to no issue. i believe if we make them sound cheap, that can be misunderstood as dangerous and we have enough to deal with when it comes to the demonization of firearms. but again, you do you because we also have a problem with the first amendment and you are free to use whatever words YOU choose too. 💪❤
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@@CloverTac Dont worry, you have great content and I personally find it a breathe of fresh air coming from all of the fake hyped attitude of other guntubers.
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I just got mine and it's a blend of both in that it is a 22/45 Target so it has the 22/45 grip with the bull barrel of your Target. It is very accurate with great follow up shots and feels great in my hand.
yep, with the new MKiV design, there are a lot of different combinations out there
I got the MkIV Target 22/45 and it's fantastic. It's accurate and reliable. Been feeding it CCI mini mag and aside from a couple duds, (dented rim, reloaded so firing pin would hit different spot and still failed to fire) it has run absolutely flawless after about 2500 rds. The first two times I took it to the range, I did 500 rds each time to see if I could get it to jam because I always hear how finicky .22 semi autos are but this thing just keeps going and going. I give it a good cleaning after every range session. Been using Clenzoil CLP which has great lubrication qualities IMO. When it comes to .22 firearms, it's hard to beat Ruger when it comes to affordability and reliability. Be it a 10/22 or American Rimfire bolt action rifle or the Mk series of handguns, these firearms are borderline a must own for any firearm enthusiast. All are generally in the $300-$400 range, the mags are plentiful and affordable and the ammo is relatively cheap. I've added all three I mentioned to my collection over the past year and a half. Being a firearm owner for over 20 years, my only regret is not getting these firearms sooner. If nothing else, it's been easier on my ammo budget. I think 3 out of every 4 range sessions over the past year or so have been with .22 which is fine. Yeah, the recoil is lacking but at least I can still practice marksmanship fundamentals.
i have never been a big Ruger fan much but not going to disagree, preety fair. only thing i take issue with much is the "finicky 22" it is absolutely 100% finicky for a variety of reasons related to the design of the ammo. no real way around that, so just gotta find what one likes (rim thicknes and or load consistency) and go with it, keep things clean (usual dirty 22 reality) as you can just like you said. good to see someone that isn't a total newbie. there is a lot of those around now days, good to see but frustrating sometimes when people's insights are based on limited knowledge and mostly hearsay. but it does make me feel old... what happens when you pretty much start shooting firearms and are around them heavily from age 3 or so. 🤣😂
Looks like one of the major differences, not been mentioned is angle of the handle is different.
hmm, yeah, old video here, so maybe, certainly cannot remember but the 22/45 has always had a 1911 grip, that is sorta where the 45 in the model designation comes from
Is the target a bull barrel or is it more of just a heavy shroud over a barrel like the small one in the Mark IV Light.
it is a full, heavy, true, target barrel. speaking of the lite barrel, the actual barrel is like a freaking brake line, very small, no kidding. while not a bad thing all around, i can see it not doing well being shot for an extended period of time.
CloverTac that was my impression when I broke the light down. Almost like a pellet gun barrel.
Good, concise video.
are the sights on the mk4 adjustable for both windage and elevation
sorry been away this weekend working the NRA show in Indy. It depends on the model but yes if the rear sight is adjustable it will adjust for both.
Literally all Ruger Mark IV models are a masterpiece. I opted for the Target w/ threaded barrel. So far, it’s the most accurate and easy to shoot gun I own. I love the sleek aesthetics and feel. Can’t wait to get a suppressor for it. Still undecided if I’ll add a red dot since the lines are so beautiful and perfect as-is.
veey cool i much prefer the buckmark over the rugers myself and would evwn put them 3 behind the victory too... if we can add old school would say 4 behind the hi standard as well... but that is me, just much better competition success seen with other things
@@CloverTac can you swap handles/ grips between the two ?
sorry late reply... keep in mind for the future that when you reply to someones comment we as creators don't get notified. and if you leave your own comment, odds are we won't get notified.... what i am saying is notifications here are unreliable. if you have a questions and need an answer try reaching out to creaors on their other social media account PM/DM or their websites. ok, to answer your question, no the reason the 22/45 is called that is it uses a 1911 style grip angle. the OG, original MK stuff is totally different.
Have a Mark lV target and love it. Very accurate and fun to shoot. Put target grips on it. Makes a big difference.
Can you change the lite upper on to the other iv target
as long as you are dealing with all MKIV parts, yes, the receivers and grip frames should interchange from the standard to the 22/45. so let's say that you wanted the Lite 22/45 receiver on the old school metal MKIV grip frame, it should be fine.
Would the precision problem on the Lite model be corrected with the added weight of a suppressor?
the lite will never be the target, has less to do with weight and has more to do with barrel harmonics and maybe heat when you are talking such a difference in barrel thickness. length of the barrel can also be of benefit as the suppressor doesn't help there either because the projectile never touches it. of course with precision shooting, overall weight is a factor.
Does the Mark IV 22/45 Lite share the exact same frame dimensions/characteristics of the Mark IV Target/Hunter where you could purchase the upper and use it on the frame? Uppers I've seen for only a few hundred dollars vs. an entire gun.
Answered below, thanks!
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Thank you for the review clover . Really wish I could get one.
don't worry about it too much, not like the are buckmarks! BAHAHAHA
Just picked up a 22/45 lite in red. Any site suggestions, fiber optic or a Red Dot?
first, congrats, though Rugers are not my favorite they are good. i would suggest taking a look at Tandemkross and what they offer as far as goodies for it. on an optic, depends on what you wanna spend honestly. i run a Vortex Venom and a Burris Fast Fire 3 on a couple of my Buckmarks but they are a bit pricey. the new Sightmark Mini Shot M-Spec is pretty darn good, should fair well on a 22 and is a bit cheaper. You might wanna check my Amazon Influencer store and take a look at some of the things I use, don't buy there if you can find it cheaper, but at least you can look at specs that way, over on clovertac.com.
Got the silver/blueish 2 months ago and went with the vortex crossfire 2 moa. Can't go wrong with lifetime warranty. A must have though, is the tandemkross trigger. Takes the triggrr pull from about 5lbs to 2.5ish, also it's not curved so you can pull it from where it feels comfortable to you and your grip. The gamechanger compensator also makes quick firing a lil more accurate. Good luck and let me know if find a good ammo it LOVES, bc it likes pretty much anything that isn't super dirty. So far for me, Federal Target Grade performance cycles through the smoothest, then CCI SV.
I like the Mark IV Hunter model with a 6 3/8 inch fluted stainless steel barrel and frame.
yep, those are nice, thanks for sharing
We went with the 22/45 lite, and the gun has done just fine...zero modifications (we did remove the railing, use the factory sights), we just take it to the range to blow up ammo, generally cheap bulk...the ease in breaking down the gun was a selling point for us, give the engineer a raise...even the missus likes to shoot it, we call it the 'space gun', kinda tells you we're old fudds...
while not my favorite 22s, the MK series has always been a solid and reliable choice pretty much any way you go
Great guns and great video 👍
btw, wanted to say i appreciate all the engagment here and remind you, if you didn't already know, UA-cam is horrible as far as the reliability in comments... as far as letting me know tha tis. so if you don't get a repsonse, i likely don't know you commented. if you use other social media like FB or IG.... messages through there work a lot better if you really need to make sure i get them.
@@CloverTac alright I don't really use any other platform other than UA-cam because I am a very shy and introverted person by nature but thanks for the info
Are the grip frames interchangeable??
yep, long as they are all MK4
Being a precision guy myself, I would choose the Target over the 22/45 but the 22/45 certainly wins with cool factor. Which one do you choose?
CloverTac I'm going with the 22/45 lite. Looks bad a$$, cool maters. lol
22/45 lite, cause I gots me a MK3 already. But really wish/want a S&W41.
Ya. I bought the 22/45. Put a volquartsen trigger, and tandom cross grips, and a vortex venom. (Venom or viper), one is for rifles, I got the bigger dot, which ever that is lol, I think venom.
But I have about a 1k dollar 22.
But it shoots great. I can hit the steel plate at 100 yds, 6 or 7 out of ten times. Great gun, probably 2k rounds through it by now, I have my own land to shoot on. So I'm glad I like the .22s!!!
Great gun. I may buy the target, and swap lowers. Be bad ass.
@@bradharvy13 sounds sweet, honestly i am not a ruger mk fan, respect yes, if you have watched the channel any you know it is BUCKMARK all the way for me. and yeah, i have three of those with close to $1k in each, so i feel ya.
@@CloverTac I'll watch a lil of your channel, but what makes you like the buckmark? I almost want to try the victory. It's like a cross between the 2.
The buck mark was suggested. I just liked the thread barrel. What sold me.
Will the magazines swap between the two "
No!!
The Mark 4 has a heel mag release, the other has a mag button on the frame.
suprised you didn't show the differences in the magazine base plates.
eh, nobody's perfect i guess... good catch, definitely a difference there
I want both.
you can't handle both!
Thank you for the review. I've been torn for which one of these pistols to buy for months... I'm still torn! May just buy both.
well don't expect me to talk you out of that move! LOL seriously though, these are two very different pistols for two very different uses, at least in my mind. having both would be optimal.
@@CloverTac Rgr that. If you could only own one to do everything with, which one would you chose and why?
@@1969plato i am first gonna answer that honestly and say neither... i am a HUGE Buck Mark guy. the buck marks are more accurate, way better trigger from the factory, etc. ok, that aside and between these two... assuming they are both MK4 (easier take down, etc) then I would say go lite. for general plinking or speed competitions they do fine. and with the ease of take down you could always get a heavier or longer barreled upper at some point if need be. Tandemkross also has a ton of aftermarket upgrades, you can check out some of my other videos where I tricked out this 22/45 a little.
@@CloverTac Awesome, thanks. Yeah, the Browning is a great pistol too...
Long shot ( lol )
Have you fired both models from a vice clamp and fired 10 rounds trough them to see what the theoretical grouping is on both?
i dont have an expensive rest like that so no... common longic should be easy to guess which is better though
@@CloverTac you dont even need common logic for that. However, i didnt want to know which one was better. Just what the grouping is on them.
A benchclamp can be made with an old vice and a couple of pieces of wood. Doesnt need to be expensive.
Thanks either way!
Can you put a red dot on the Target? If so, do you have a particular adapter kit you'd recommend?
there really isn't an adapter kit. the receiver of the target is drilled and tapped for a rail, so just a matter of buying an aftermarket rail and screwing it into place.
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Thank you sir for responding to my comment. I've come back to pistol shooting in the last 15 years ago and I got my first smart phone around the same time. I'm human we all are the best pro's or a guy like me who is just happy to hit the paper at my age and eye sight but I've been extremely happy when I post this comment to a man or woman that are stars in the competitive arena I don't want to offend anyone but the left will use anything to get the second amendment erased and I consider shooting a sport but fire arms are not toys they can give people alot improvement in hand eye coordination patience confidence and self defense because in today's world there is no one coming to save you on the street or your own home schools churches the crazy can hit anywhere and our founding fathers made sure that every man and woman had the means to protect there lives and the lives of the innocent they don't need mistakes that our sport can do to help them. I have to say that all the video's I've seen I new that person had safty checked it's like brushing your teeth in the morning if you are not and idiot and all of the answers I've gotten to that comment have been almost apologetic so my belief is law abiding gun owners all realize why I'm saying what I'm saying thank you again I proud to be a member of a community that will answere questions and be big enough to put you on to someone who can answere something they don't know it gives them a chance to learn as well thanks God bless.
Whitch is more accurate?
raw accuracy, say bullseye matches, target of course but if you are doing matches like speed steel, doesn't make much difference
I dig it
thanks
I have those exact 2 pistols; just got the 22/45 today. A range trip tomorrow and then start the mods on the 22/45… a VQ or TK trigger (I have a TK flat kit on the Mk4 that I love but not sure what l’m gonna do with the 22/45 yet . one of the barrels is getting some kind of optic. These Ruger .22s are fairly new to me and are the most fun I’ve had since I outgrew my Hot Wheels!
oh come on now, you NEVER outgrow Hot Wheels 🤣😂
Are the barrels interchangeable? I've been on the fence about which to go for.
@@r.candelas1716 They are, within the same MK series. a MK II barrel wont fit a MK IV frame and vice versa, but MK IV barrels can move between all MK IV frames.
They're somewhat unique guns in that the barrel is the serialized part. You can build as many frames as you want w/o the gov's permission.
I almost turned the video off from boredom until I changed the playback to X1.5 speed - perfect.
glad you figured out a way to stick around
If your attention span is that bad have you heard of Adderall? Lmao
@@cokedupcat My intelligence levels are off the charts and process information so quickly I get bored 😉
@@funNactive1 Wow you seem fun at parties.
@@cokedupcat Love parties & I socialize. But yes, I would cut our conversation short. My patience runs thin with trolls like you.
The mark four will always be the best. I have the mark three light.
i am not a Ruger MK fanboy, but the ease of tear down for cleaning on the MK4 is pretty solid. i do think the earlier MKs, at least in stock configurations, are a little better as far as accuracy goes.
do they have match chambers?
don't believe so
only reason i ask is i heard you cant shoot stingers out of them because of the little longer case.. someone just gave me a bunch of CCI stingers that i dont want to go to waste@@CloverTac
i have never had an issue with Stingers out of any Ruger i have ever shot
i thought the frames were different in regards to grip angles too.
yes, they are... 22/45 is a 1911 style grip, duh and the regular MKs are the old school hand drill style grip
Shoot test please with comparison! :)
sorry, no longer have access to eithet of these to do that, they were not mine. I have experience with both though, so might can answer questions if you have em.
yeah but which one shoots sweeter
all depends on what you are doing with it
So why didn’t you shoot the guns and compare the results.
neither belonged to me, borrowed for this video... plenty of other shooting stuff on the channel though if that is what you are into
It’s funny how 99% of the gun videos. Call it polymer. When it’s plastic. Just call it what it is. I guess people are afraid to say plastic. Because it makes a gun sound cheap and Wes safe. They call it polymer. Cause it makes a gun sound more special more advanced and better constructed. It doesn’t bother me hear someone say that gun is made out of half plastic. I’ve only seen one gun video that the person calls it plastic. Thumbs up to him.
sorta like how some use clip instead of magazine and people freak or maybe call a revolver a pistol. terminology can be tricky and especially for those who are not life long firearm owners. but even life long firearm owners such as myself have seen things that are weird. like i once had a copy of an Army manual for like 1918 that referenced the clips for a 1911. i own mulitple box magazines in the package that literally say clip on the package too. more to your point though, in the context of firearms, generally speaking, sayig polymer is not inaccurate, neither is saying plastic. all plastics are polymers but not all polymers are plastics. firearms are not made from the same as everyday use items, like say solo cups, soda bottles, milk jugs, etc. it is good to know you are one of those who can decipher what someone says based on the context in which the word is used rather than harping all day on the right or wrong of using said word... there are much more pressing things, in my opinion, we should be concerned with. right?
oh worth noting too that when creators review and or talk about firearms, as a whole, we tend to stick to the wording used by the company. most companies will say polymer and so that is the word we use, why, well, we want things to be consistent, especially for those newbies coming into the community. by saying plastic, then having them see a website or ad or spec sheet or whatever, they could get confused. this was an interesting comment you dropped, especially considering this is an older video. it really does give folks something to think about. thanks
Cover the guns with your hands more. 🙂🙃
no thanks, video has been up since April and i don't have these anymore anyway thanks for the watch
Sorry but I feel asleep 💤
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Terrible triggers on these Rugers!
no disagreement from me.... i say buckmark all the way for a sweet out of the box trigger
@@CloverTac I have a Ruger SR1911 .45 and o must say it has the absolute best trigger on it that I have ever shot!!
you need to go esperience a LOT more stuff 🤣❤😂