I'm curious what you mean by that. My expectation was sometimes relatively close to something known to be accurate. That expectation was not met so it is not an accurate measurement
@@FitnessWithFrost i'm curious, how do you know that the gadget telling you that are 18-20% body fat is not the incorrect one? How are you able to confirm that the Omron measurements are wrong??
Did you watch the video? I used an Inbody scan as my more accurate measurement. Inbody isn't a 100% accuracy but there is a lot of data behind how accurate it is. So I used that as my control
Did you remove the wearables (smartwatch, smart band, etc.) while doing the weighting? As far as I know the antennas in these devices can interfere with the current in the scale sensors, especially this one which also sends current to the upper body
I recommend changing your parameters of "What is accuracy". Overall, electro impedance is one of the least reliable indicator of Body fat. It is depend upon hydration levels and electrolytes. It has been shown to be even lest accurate than some one who is experienced with Calibers. Basically it would be best used as a reference tool by taking your readings upon awakening or at the same time in the morning. Note, the scale you are reviewing will definitely be more accurate than your smart watch as the smart watch is reading between to sensors on the wrist (not really sending signal throughout body). The farther the points the more accurate the results, at least this is my understanding.
I totally understand all your points, but I don't think I'm going to be recommending calibers due to the nature of there being such a learning curve. Also due to the nature of how accessible electo impedance scales are they are by far the most popular for people to buy. I still haven't found one I can recommend, but I also wanted to give an insight to be methodology. I am so critical of these due to the nature of how my weight is a bit higher even if I do have a lower body fat percentage. I think you can agree the Inbody scanner is the most accurate when it comes to electro impedance so I use that as my baseline. Due to the nature of my higher BMI the scales that I have tested seem to over prioritize that in the calculation for body fat. To the extent that I think it might be the only thing it utilizes. Due to that I can't recommend these to people just starting their fitness journey. I think you know that a lot of people that just start with resistance training can gain weight within the first month or two even if they are losing body fat. If they have a scale that prioritizes BMI then they will see their body fat percentage increase. So I don't even think I can consider it a useful tool for anyone that is getting started, but for those that are well into their fitness journey it might be a little bit more applicable, but to me I still can't recommend it
I am not a health specialist or anything but I guess maybe the difference relies on the test method, most of the body fat monitors only test through upper limbs. It appears that this one calculates it considering resistance and impedance through all the body, so the fat on the legs, tummy and stuff is also considered.
I know what you mean, but my legs are actually the leanest part of my body. These lower end body fat scales seem to weight the BMI more than their own measurements. Still looking for one that works well
@@FitnessWithFrost"my legs are actually the leanest part of my body" is the exact reason why the Omron is precise because it measures not only the lower but also the upper part of your body. You saying "this is the most precise" or "this isn't precise" is funny because how do you know? To know which method is precise you need to compare the results to those of the most precise method available. Have you been doing a medical check up with full body composition analysis? Because if not then the most precise technology used is giving the most precise results which would be the Omron in this scenario cause it's using 8 point measurement. All the other scales only use electrodes on the feet and the particles take the fastest way so one leg up and the other one down therefor youll always only get a proper analysis of your lower body. If this is "the leanest part" of your body it completely makes sense that you have higher body fat percentage when including the upper body
Thank you for your effort. So... after all experience which scale do you think can follow the changes accuratly? I think after all starting point is not important but following the change properly is.
Please check whether you have set the scale correctly. It happened to me when programming to confuse man and woman. resulting in a higher reading of body fat.
It's called OMRON, not "OMERON" (as in this video's title) or "OWMARON" (the way you pronounce it). How come no one even noticed this??? I mean, not that it's some obscure, cheap Chinese no-name brand, it's a world-leading company (out of Japan), founded almost a century ago!!!
Hi bro! Thank u so much for the honest reviews. Did u succeed in finding something that actually works!! All of those ain't accurate?? I will even go for one that isn't accurate, but inaccurate in the same way. (When i am 16 body fat it will say i am 18. And when i am 15 it will say i am 17. This way i can still measure progress) Anyway, thank u!
Yeah I can't seem to find one that is actually accurate yet. The only thing that came remotely close has been the Galaxy watch 4. I don't know if I could speak to the same inaccuracy. That would take more long term testing. I still think they just use your BMI to calculate body fat
Bro Im sorry but you're wrong on this one. How do you know that it is imprecise? Whats your bar, your 'Gold Standard' that you're using for comparison? Your watch? When using those scales, one with a hand piece will always be more precise then one without let alone a smart watch
@@wunwun9974 inbody is basically just this exact thing but meant to be calibrated to dexa i've had better luck with a styku estimating my body than any inbody i've tried i got a BF511 at home and it varies ~10% depending on my diet but it's almost exactly 4% above dexa on my current mealprepped diet.
I almost think you look leaner than me and I get 12% with this scale... I do daily morning training and evening training tho so could it be difference in muscle mass? Muscle conducts electricity much better and isn't that the technology... Some people said that you get more accurate measurement if you go sauna and measure it afterwards because of the body temperature "helps you conduct more electricity". I'm not sure is this true, but they say... After sauna I might get 0.5-1% less on that scale of body fat...
These scales really haven't been that accurate in my testing. I am still looking for a relatively affordable body fat measurement for home use, but as of now I don't have anything
@@FitnessWithFrost I think Omron gives you good analyzing point atleast. Because human has to be pretty lean to be under double digits... And well under 15 should be everybodys (male) goal. I think it's pretty healthy already if you see 13-15% on Omron. I think it's a good way to map it a littlebit. It diesn't have to be exact I'm thinking. Because when I'm fat that number on the scale will be much higher. It's just a measure. Like taking your belly measurement with tape measure... U know..
Your weight and body fat percentage estimation are probably the easiest to measure that's why so many devices offer them. So if it does a poor job with body fat, I imagine those other measurements aren't that great.
how are you so sure about your body fat ? you certainly don't look like a 17%, no way ! so maybe that's why none of the devices are showing you what you are looking for, maybe your initial method of testing was off
I used a Inbody scanner. It is probably the most accurate measurement without paying an arm and a leg. Also I'm sorry if I don't think I look like I have 17% body fat and are defending a product. I've moved from anywhere from 12% to 22% body fat, but there is 0% chance I'm 30% or over
What else am I promoting? You can check my other videos where I go through my InBody scan. I just want to make sure people aren't getting scammed into thinking it is accurate for body fat percentage
I wouldn't say meaningless. But if you do look at the literature on the Inbody scanner. It is very accurate for what it is. Yes it can be affected by things like hydration, but to say the results are meaningless are a little ignorant
I definitely understand that. At this point I have done a couple reviews on products like these and there isn't much else to go over when it just doesn't perform
Him: Am I fat?
Scale: You are 28% fat
Him: I’m returning you to Amazon
I don't think you got the point of the video
What was the point? So are u saying that the measurements from Omron are incorrect because it's not the result you were expecting??
I'm curious what you mean by that. My expectation was sometimes relatively close to something known to be accurate. That expectation was not met so it is not an accurate measurement
@@FitnessWithFrost i'm curious, how do you know that the gadget telling you that are 18-20% body fat is not the incorrect one? How are you able to confirm that the Omron measurements are wrong??
Did you watch the video? I used an Inbody scan as my more accurate measurement. Inbody isn't a 100% accuracy but there is a lot of data behind how accurate it is. So I used that as my control
Did you remove the wearables (smartwatch, smart band, etc.) while doing the weighting? As far as I know the antennas in these devices can interfere with the current in the scale sensors, especially this one which also sends current to the upper body
I had one and would use it first thing in the morning, naked after using the restroom. It's very inaccurate and a waste of money
Did not know that thanks. I always keep my Mi band on and lately my scale measures are off
I recommend changing your parameters of "What is accuracy". Overall, electro impedance is one of the least reliable indicator of Body fat. It is depend upon hydration levels and electrolytes. It has been shown to be even lest accurate than some one who is experienced with Calibers. Basically it would be best used as a reference tool by taking your readings upon awakening or at the same time in the morning. Note, the scale you are reviewing will definitely be more accurate than your smart watch as the smart watch is reading between to sensors on the wrist (not really sending signal throughout body). The farther the points the more accurate the results, at least this is my understanding.
I totally understand all your points, but I don't think I'm going to be recommending calibers due to the nature of there being such a learning curve. Also due to the nature of how accessible electo impedance scales are they are by far the most popular for people to buy. I still haven't found one I can recommend, but I also wanted to give an insight to be methodology.
I am so critical of these due to the nature of how my weight is a bit higher even if I do have a lower body fat percentage. I think you can agree the Inbody scanner is the most accurate when it comes to electro impedance so I use that as my baseline. Due to the nature of my higher BMI the scales that I have tested seem to over prioritize that in the calculation for body fat. To the extent that I think it might be the only thing it utilizes. Due to that I can't recommend these to people just starting their fitness journey.
I think you know that a lot of people that just start with resistance training can gain weight within the first month or two even if they are losing body fat. If they have a scale that prioritizes BMI then they will see their body fat percentage increase. So I don't even think I can consider it a useful tool for anyone that is getting started, but for those that are well into their fitness journey it might be a little bit more applicable, but to me I still can't recommend it
@@FitnessWithFrostwhen using electro impedance scales one with hand electrodes is always the better choice
Is the model # on this BCM-500? Why didn't you show us using it? Without seeing that the credibility of your comments is 0.
I got this scale and it's the GOAT, just need to care about the Delta, not the reading
Not sure bout Omeron, but OMRON products are great. Including their scale. Their BP and ekg are great!!!!
I am not a health specialist or anything but I guess maybe the difference relies on the test method, most of the body fat monitors only test through upper limbs. It appears that this one calculates it considering resistance and impedance through all the body, so the fat on the legs, tummy and stuff is also considered.
I know what you mean, but my legs are actually the leanest part of my body. These lower end body fat scales seem to weight the BMI more than their own measurements. Still looking for one that works well
@@FitnessWithFrost Agree! Legs do not get so much fat. We will be happy to take a look on your findings and benchamrk the methods each system use. =)
The InBody system has been my go to. But I do need to try others
@@FitnessWithFrost"my legs are actually the leanest part of my body" is the exact reason why the Omron is precise because it measures not only the lower but also the upper part of your body.
You saying "this is the most precise" or "this isn't precise" is funny because how do you know? To know which method is precise you need to compare the results to those of the most precise method available. Have you been doing a medical check up with full body composition analysis? Because if not then the most precise technology used is giving the most precise results which would be the Omron in this scenario cause it's using 8 point measurement.
All the other scales only use electrodes on the feet and the particles take the fastest way so one leg up and the other one down therefor youll always only get a proper analysis of your lower body.
If this is "the leanest part" of your body it completely makes sense that you have higher body fat percentage when including the upper body
I'm sorry but a 15 point discrepancy from the inbody scanner is not acceptable in my eyes
Thank you for your effort. So... after all experience which scale do you think can follow the changes accuratly? I think after all starting point is not important but following the change properly is.
Just talking? Not even show how you do it? Your review not worth to watch.
I understand where you are coming from, but if was actually worth buying I would have done all of that
Please check whether you have set the scale correctly. It happened to me when programming to confuse man and woman. resulting in a higher reading of body fat.
I had everything set correctly. The vast majority of these scales just aren't worth it
This is part of why he should have shown us working through using it without which his comments have no credibility.
Thank you for these reviews!
I'm glad I could help!
Man! Straight to the point! Amazing
Thanks
It's called OMRON, not "OMERON" (as in this video's title) or "OWMARON" (the way you pronounce it). How come no one even noticed this??? I mean, not that it's some obscure, cheap Chinese no-name brand, it's a world-leading company (out of Japan), founded almost a century ago!!!
Hi bro!
Thank u so much for the honest reviews.
Did u succeed in finding something that actually works!! All of those ain't accurate??
I will even go for one that isn't accurate, but inaccurate in the same way.
(When i am 16 body fat it will say i am 18. And when i am 15 it will say i am 17.
This way i can still measure progress)
Anyway, thank u!
Yeah I can't seem to find one that is actually accurate yet. The only thing that came remotely close has been the Galaxy watch 4. I don't know if I could speak to the same inaccuracy. That would take more long term testing. I still think they just use your BMI to calculate body fat
@@FitnessWithFrost Some professionals/Gyms use scales that costs 400-500 $. Maybe those do work
The Inbody ones cost upwards of 2,000$
It's not omeron, it's omron. What model is that? They're different types
I'll have to look into the specific model
It doesn’t do under five percent?
You think your watch is probably more accurate than those scales?
My Galaxy Watch 4 and 5 were both more accurate.
Bro Im sorry but you're wrong on this one.
How do you know that it is imprecise? Whats your bar, your 'Gold Standard' that you're using for comparison? Your watch?
When using those scales, one with a hand piece will always be more precise then one without let alone a smart watch
I was using an inbody scanner as my control. Sadly I don't see this device as something I could recommend
@@FitnessWithFrost what "inbody scanner" are you talking about?
@@wunwun9974 inbody is basically just this exact thing but meant to be calibrated to dexa
i've had better luck with a styku estimating my body than any inbody i've tried
i got a BF511 at home and it varies ~10% depending on my diet but it's almost exactly 4% above dexa on my current mealprepped diet.
I appreciate the short and on point video
I almost think you look leaner than me and I get 12% with this scale... I do daily morning training and evening training tho so could it be difference in muscle mass? Muscle conducts electricity much better and isn't that the technology... Some people said that you get more accurate measurement if you go sauna and measure it afterwards because of the body temperature "helps you conduct more electricity". I'm not sure is this true, but they say... After sauna I might get 0.5-1% less on that scale of body fat...
These scales really haven't been that accurate in my testing. I am still looking for a relatively affordable body fat measurement for home use, but as of now I don't have anything
@@FitnessWithFrost was going to purchase it. But halted the decision for now. It isn't cheap. thank u so much for the reply!
I wish I could give you a recommendation for one that works well, but I don't have one sadly
@@FitnessWithFrost I think Omron gives you good analyzing point atleast. Because human has to be pretty lean to be under double digits... And well under 15 should be everybodys (male) goal. I think it's pretty healthy already if you see 13-15% on Omron. I think it's a good way to map it a littlebit. It diesn't have to be exact I'm thinking. Because when I'm fat that number on the scale will be much higher. It's just a measure. Like taking your belly measurement with tape measure... U know..
How about the other things that it measures such as resting metabolism, subcutaneous fat, body age and skeletal muscle?
Are they accurate and precise
Your weight and body fat percentage estimation are probably the easiest to measure that's why so many devices offer them. So if it does a poor job with body fat, I imagine those other measurements aren't that great.
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how are you so sure about your body fat ? you certainly don't look like a 17%, no way ! so maybe that's why none of the devices are showing you what you are looking for, maybe your initial method of testing was off
I used a Inbody scanner. It is probably the most accurate measurement without paying an arm and a leg.
Also I'm sorry if I don't think I look like I have 17% body fat and are defending a product. I've moved from anywhere from 12% to 22% body fat, but there is 0% chance I'm 30% or over
You didn't show the. Measurements and you expect us to believe you @fitnesswithfrost. Seems you're promoting somethingelse
What else am I promoting? You can check my other videos where I go through my InBody scan. I just want to make sure people aren't getting scammed into thinking it is accurate for body fat percentage
if you don't compare. results to ma CT or MRI. your testing of visceral fat is meaningless
I wouldn't say meaningless. But if you do look at the literature on the Inbody scanner. It is very accurate for what it is. Yes it can be affected by things like hydration, but to say the results are meaningless are a little ignorant
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I just really think you did something wrong with it lol... The video felt rushed...
I definitely understand that. At this point I have done a couple reviews on products like these and there isn't much else to go over when it just doesn't perform
yeah, something seems off. I have a previous generation Omron with a handle and it's within a few % of a caliper test.
Is your BMI also relatively low?
@@FitnessWithFrost I think I weighted 92kg and 183cm...
@@FitnessWithFrost my BMI is around 21.
This machine is not accurate I’m around 12-13% body fat and this thing has me around 20%
Have you tried the inbody h20n?
Not yet, but hopefully soon
What type of watch do you have? Thanks
My currently l current daily driver is the Galaxy watch 5 pro
Got mines for $12
That's a better price. Just don't trust the body fat percentage
%10 inaccuracy is way too much. So it only calculates percentage i think. :(
I’ve had 3 of these fail on me, they’re expensive rubbish!
I got the same paid 100 euros and it is not worth it
total BS