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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- The Corsair i500 has its work cut out for it trying to cool a 4090 and a 14900k... let's see if I can get this thing under control!
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14900k under a 120mm AIO? Corsair is turning into Alienware lol.
Ha! Very accurate
You either die Starforged or live long enough to see yourself acquired by Dell
@@Takintomori Starforge died? The OTK brand? Or do you mean Artesian?
I'm running a 14900K with 720mm of the thickest EK rads I could fit in the case and it's still a barely controllable mini plasma reactor.
Yep, I was going to say is Corsair getting building tips from Dell/Alienware? 120aios should not even be a thing, air coolers are better, even some ssf ones.
I'll never understand how an SI thinks it's okay to ship a customer a product that is throttling...
Pre-M1 Apple: 😶
iNTEL throttling in all aio coolers no matter how big case air flow is... and crashing bugs and after get damaged. And u can not repair..
They all use the excuse “it’s meant to do that. Or it’s safe the coy will save itself”
Amd gpus that like to cook on idle at 80c without fans..
because all SI are making products for an average customer. no person runs non stop stress tests at home. then people also ask for a small, silent but capable system. SOMEWHERE you have to cut corners in this set of requirements so the SI goes the direction of possible throttle in some high demanding scenarios.
The average customer should also know that bigger case means more cool means more power over time when stressing.
I had a 240mm AIO on my 14700K and it couldn't keep up, my 360mm Corsair H150i barely keeps up with it. For Corsair to put a 120mm AIO with a slim fan is mind-boggling and a slap in the consumer's face to then place a $5000 price tag on it...
Well, I think half of the blame is on Intel.
@@fajaradi1223Why? They knew that the cpu is running hot before they put it into this configuration.
A lot of this depends on the case, layout, fans and setup being used. I run a slightly overclocked 13700k on a 240mm AIO in a mini-ATX case running all cores maxing at around 85 degrees running Cinebench.
If you are just gaming disable HT. It is of no use and makes heat
i have 2 360 rads (slim) on my 14600k and it runs under 50 degrees cel all day and its quiet. hottest its ever gotten is mid 60's on a stress test
Don't forget about your 3D printer!
Print spacers to lift that top shroud enough to fit bigger fans under it while still keeping it looking decent from the exterior.
I hope those ridges on the top are meant to act as cooling surfaces. Because if not, they wasted space that could be used for cooling.
I second this.
@@HappyBeezerStudios so that things that get placed on top do not completely block airflow, and for style points because reasons
tbh i would try to print a whole new top shroud. ;) gives you some customization options
Great idea
Jay, it's not just the subjects you pick for your videos, it's your clear explanation of the results as it's happening. Even though this experiment wasn't a success, and the 14900k is a bugger to cool, your commentary is easily understood by new PC builders and veterans alike.
Great job, Jay and team.
- corsair : '' let's go for the specs list''
- cooling department '' Nope ''
Jays overheating his system again😀😀🤣🤣
I’m only a minute in but the best part about this video so far is that it’s about a Corsair pre-built and the sponsor is NZXT pre-builts lmao😂
Exactly - although I suspect Corsair paid a fee to be on as well.
Man the astetics of the front of that case gives off an old atari console vibe and from a distance the corsair logo almost resembles the atari logo
It would be a fantastic case....if it were an AMD build
I remember when Jay told us viewers that a rule of thumb was to account for 120mm or radiator space per component when not overclocking. And now the 120mm radiator space isn't sufficient any more. Love this tech making the world a greener place.
its 120 mm per 100 watts not per component
It’s beyond stupid that Corsair went with a 14900K instead of a 7800X3D. Just beyond dumb
they get paid a lot of money to be a blue house!
"Nobody ever got fired for buying Intel"
When aesthetics take precedence over practicality and functionality , it often means that the appearance is considered more important than efficiency and productivity which seems to be the "case" here.. no pun intended
that is basically my main issue with those full glass cases. All aesthetics, no airflow.
@@HappyBeezerStudios What full glass cases are you talking about? The 011 fishtank designs? They have side and bottom intake. NZXTs h510 elite? Yeah thats pretty much a GPU cemetary.
I definitely think the main thing I gained from this video is not putting a 14900k Inside of a case that’s smaller than a jug of milk. lol
The case is not the real, the issue is the AiO is to small si cannot handle the 14900K TDP
@@GHOSTERING well of course, that too. It’s just a bit of a sleight to pop such a high power part into something so restrictive.
You can tame these parts in even smaller cases. Highly dependent on cooler selection and case layout. @@Lief3002
@@GHOSTERING The Case IS too small, and ppl need to understand that with performance you need cooling. I despise idiots who make i-ATX builds and then complain that stuff isn't working properly. 14900k with a monster GPU and and a single 120 AIO.....seriously?!! Ppl just don't know how $$$$ smells, or never made an honest buck to be doing that, but I guess these are the same ppl we're in the hardware prices we're in!
P.S. that's like an office piece, but why go overboard in components!?!
Not without PROPERLY set up liquid cooling. (Hell I wouldn't cool any intel chip from 10th series and up on a single 120 rad). I hope the moron who thought of that was fired, the person who approved it was fired, and the person who failed to stop it from getting into production was fired too!
Wonder why not 7800x3d, its half the price, power usage, runs much cooler and is within like 5% performance of intel.. its silly
I agree. The 14900k is not worth it for the average person. A cpu pulling the same wattage as a gpu is insane
Aimed for not the average person? Maybe as a semi portable workstation for productivity?
@@l_aggy 7950X3D has the extra productivity cores, but also has half of them downclocked and thus thermally limited to support the V-cache, a 120mm radiator would still be a bad idea but not as insane trying to cool a modern Intel performance chip with a 120mm.
@@TylerP223 ??? This is about the 'why not 7800x3d' stop making useless rants on UA-cam
@@Bdot888"Not worth it for the average person" Haha. Well, the average person is not buying a 4090 and a 14900K, you may not realize but this is specific audience you're selling that to, and they care about 5%.
Hot AF cpu in a blanket. GENIUS😂
Its insane. Why they thought stuffing a 120 AIO, something that demands clearance by its very nature, into a fucking shoebox lol These guys want to sell consoles but just can't admit it to themselves.
Videos of people getting stuck in dryers huh Jay? I see you... 😂😂😂
Help me stepbro! I'm stuck!
What are you doing Step-Jay!?
You beat me to writing this comment 👍
I also want to say, thank you for testing XTU and realizing the flaws. I am glad to see you are setting processor speeds through the BIOS.
Jay's face on the thumbnail has drunk dissapointed father energy
Looking forward to the air cooled & custom loop version of this chassis. Yay content!
Didn't everyone already know a 120mm AIO wouldn't be enough to cool a 14900K? What's next? Asking your pet hamster to blow on the 4090?
On the top, run a rubber gap sealer for doors to raise the roof an keep it sealed and aesthetically pleasing. Thicker fans , done. Give it a try.
The Dyno Diesel explosion Corsair box was my laugh of the day. Thanks, guys!
7:01 what kind of videos are you watching where people get stuck in a dryer? 😂😂😂
Something with a (step)mom and a helpful (step)son.
Sounds like some vids I've been in 😅
A 120mm AIO for a 14900k is crazy lmao...
I don't know much about this PC model. But I am guessing this is a design that has undergone upgrades over time and the CPU has just outgrown the cooling solution for that case? Either that, or they designed it for an older, or lower spec CPU and then decided to put a top of the rage CPU in it. It probably comes down to if they wanted to redesign the whole setup just for the CPU.
It speaks volumes to the incompetence of Corsair when they put in inferior parts that are incapable of the load they're intended for...
Probably done in a malicious intent. They want computers to die to sell again.
Typical for them given most of the things they sell. Only exceptions might be some of their RAMs and PSUs.
They just ship it with BIOS set to default TDP. If customer increase / unlock it, then it is their fault it overheat.
@@losslessthoughtsits an unlocked cpu, its capable of overclocking. They shpuld assume people sprnding money on an unlocked component will utilize it.
@@az_tinkerer_gamer I'm not saying I agree with it, I just know that is probably their thinking.
It was real good seeing you today in Hawaii. Hope you have a good vacation and keep up the awesome content
They should have put a 7800X3D in there. It would have been FAR more effective.
That would be an awesome idea... If not for the fact that it throttles at 89 degrees, and not 100 degrees like the 14900.
In this case, with that AIO, it would only have made the problem worse, if not outright killed the chip.
In a real case, with enough space and airflow, yeah the 7800 wins hands down. But here? Absolutely not.
@@The_Keeper 7800 Throttles lower but uses less watts so less heat. 120MM AIO is ambitious though I have a 360 in a big case for mine for a reason!
@@The_Keeper I have a 7800X3D with an AK620 air cooler and it doesn't go over 82C with Cinebench. It should be more viable to keep it cool than a 14900.
@@francistaylor1822 Yes, a 5 Watts lower TDP.
Makes little to no difference in this case.
@@Immudzen Sure, but you probably also have it in a proper case with room for real fans.
The problem wasn't the CPU, it was the absolute shit design of the case... And an AIO completely unsuited for the task.
You should have 3d printed a spacer for the top panel!
They should have made the case ever so slightly longer to fit a 240 rad on that swingout panel. With how much they are charging it's frankly insulting that they didn't.
It's insulting that they put a 14900k instead of a 14600k or 13700k having only room for a 120mm. Obvious Corsair knows nothing, or just don't care, about tech...or don't care about their customers whatsoever.
@@GrySgtBubba All of the above.
Definitely all of the above.
If they made it slightly longer, they could've put a 360 rad at the front. There is that huge surface that does nothing functional.
@@HappyBeezerStudios But then it wouldn't have that sweet wood finish!🤣
They should have done what large OEMs are known for and made some weird custom L shaped 360 rad for the side panel. Perhaps then their $1000+ markup would make some sense.
@@Sgt_SealCluber Listen... given how easy it is to just pop in in sketchup (or any program of your choice) design yourself a wooden exterior and have those panels cut from a local CNC... this case makes zero sense.
14900k+120mm Aio... what could go wrong?
You have a sweet looking space heater Jay.
i think you need to mount a whipple supercharger on the side and change the boost to 18psi, that should improve temperatures and performance ;-)
Jay, I think the SpaceX phrase was "Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly".
Thank god I still got sturdy and spacious big tower cases back from the early 2000s. They handle whatever hardware I throw inside and offer more than enough airflow. I'm not even using all possible air inlets/outlets right now. I don't understand why anyone would want to deal with such over-compact cases, let alone ready-built complete PCs.
17:26 icue being icue for you.
Steve of GN just absolutely slaughtered this thing in a recent video what junk I am tired of Corsair they do not even try anymore!
Try putting both AIOs in series. That way either component has access to whatever cooling capacity the other isn't utilizing at that moment.
A 'Frankenstein 360' rad for the entire system should still be better than a 120 for a 14900k.
did not expect the clip from one of the Boosted Bois to get used when equating tests to a dyno runs. perfect clip to use honestly.
Try Fan Control, maybe it can detect the fans and stuff.
I'm so glad I ditched Intel for the 7800x3d. Yeah, benchmarks are lower but who really cares about synthetic results. It is much easier to cool and gets better real gaming performance overall. If this PC is geared towards productivity/not just gaming, they could throw in a non-x3d, non dual ccd AMD chip to avoid scheduling issues (like the 7950x). Or, they could delay the launch and wait for the Zen 5 CPUs that are around the corner. Should be debuted next week at Computex.
Same! I got a 7800x3d last November in my new build. I love it. I have a 360 aio on it and have zero issues
The edit of the pc being exploded on the dyno run haha nice Phil
Hear me out: Daisy chained 120 mm radiators. If they don't overhang the slot side to side it should work.
If SFF PC's existed in 1974....
Hmm, could you fit a second 120mm rad beside the first one? The hinge might not let it swing but you might be able to screw it down in place. You could then have to mod the AIO to loop through 2 rads. Or just go with 2 copper 120's and use the AIO pump and block, no mixed metals, easier to refill. Did something similar years ago and just put a T in for filling and a very small reserve of water.
There was a decrease in temperatures when I upgraded my college friend's CPU from a 2600 to a 3500X but it may have had more to do with the KPX compound I replaced his dried compound with than the fact that we reversed a couple of his fans from their previous positions. At first we thought we bricked his system with the upgrade then he realized he might have accidentally hit the BIOS switch on his motherboard and it was trying to use a non working BIOS.
For the fans you could do a combo of 240/280mm AIOs + a Corsair link. That's what I ended up using my PC so I could replace the stock case fans with Noctua ones and do some fan speed/temp control.
i'm all about this video series. jay "fixing" shit. aww yiss
So i have a 14900k and love " Chivalry 2 " it was thermal throttling my cpu for 5 min at a time . Then i installed two coral edge tpu's in the m.2 slots , dpwnloaded some software . And with only my word and observations to prove it , run that game steady under 70c with no other changes
If they would've gone 7800x3d or really any high end AMD cpu would've made a lot more sense for temp, noise, longevity and definitely performance. Just would've made more sense imo.
I have a pc fron NZXT BLD. DO NOT RECOMMEND! They sent me 4 DOA pc’s and removed all my custom parts (trying to find the issue) which was clearly the power supply. And the 5th pc they sent me had none of the parts or manufacturers that i chose when i ordered the pc. Ultimately making it a waste of time and money. (Pc was bought during the 3000 series gpu heist)
Sad
No proof then it didn't happen
@@ratedRblazin420 because companies never fail...
I use 2x Silverstone Air Slimmer 15.6mm 120mm fans on the back of the HDD cages in a Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO XL (I have hot WD Gold drives). They do up to 1800 RPM, but can also double as silent fans when slowed down.
"those videos where someone got them self stuck in a dryer"... Jayz been on the Hub.
Maybe not the prettiest but I kept wondering... If you grabbed another 120mm rad, and then just stick it in the open spot and have a little bit of tubing as a jumper between the rads. And just keep the integrated AIO pump/block pushing into the original rad and then pulling out of the additional one.
Fuel injection screw clamps (not the spring style) make for a pretty reliable connection too for fiddling with AIOs that have been opened up lol
I also suggested this in the first video, but here I noticed that the second rad might not fit because of the GPU power cable, because if you look closely, it seems to come up under the second fan and I don't think there's room if a second rad is installed, so unless he can route the cables in another way, then it seems impossible.
I had the Intel 2500K Sandy Bridge on a Z77 Sabertooth mobo and my cooler of choice was a downfire Noctua and it cooled everything like a champ
You could whack a few Zalman fan mates in that thing and crank the fan RPM's and see what happens before comitting to re-wiring the fans to the motherboard headers.
Love how you put in the UCC run from PDD! Their 3k attempt didn't end well.
I put my 14900K into a NV7 case with 12 fans and a 360 AIO. Keeps it nice and cool.
JayzTwoCents is my spirit animal.
5:25 I used the same logic when I put a 120mm AIO on the rear case slot for my RX 480. I had an Antec LanBoy Air case, though, which was already designed with intake from the rear. I did so with the same supposition of stronger flow for intake over exhaust with the fan positioning.
There’s a case to be made for bigger cases :). My similar setup never goes above 60C on an AIO CPU and GPU stays cool too. I really think it’s due to the components being in a large case.
you need to put a 5mm gap between fan and the side mesh to optimise airflow
It's almost like corsair internal communication in R&D is in pre-diabetics. They leave all customers with an underperformed configuration with a few pretty slim fans nobody got to see.
It is crazy to me that they think a 120mm AiO will cut it on a 14900K 😂
It's like they have never watched any of Jayz videos!
Definitely need more surface area to properly cool a mega chip. My 280mm AiO from Corsair back in the day (H110iGTX) could barely cool a 6700K overclocked without really high liquid temps and annoying fan noise. I personally wouldn't pair anything less a 360mm AiO with a 14900K or any other flagship chip from any generation since Skylake.
Water cooling for me is about building a quieter system, not a system where fans run at 100% just to thread the needle at thermal throttling.
Thanks for doing these vid Jay!
Yeah I’ve seen those videos where someone get stuck in a dryer. They always need help getting out.
Some excellent replacement fans for this case would be some *_Sythe Kaze Flex II 120 Slim._* They revised the previous Flex model at the end of last year, and upped the speed to 1800rpm - which is extremely fast for a slim fan. Its currently one of the best 15mm fans that money can buy, and there is a *HIGH speed* model. They are fairly quiet, but unlike the competing Noctuas they are tuned more for air flow that silence. I have a bunch of them for different ITX builds, and swear by them - the price isn't that bad either. So far the are the best 15mm fans I've tested, and I have some of the Noctuas A12x15... the Kaze Flex II utilizes sickle-style blade similar to the Noctua NF A12x25, and as a result the Flex II clobbers the older style Noctua A12x25 slim fans.
This is more a system for a 7800x3d and 4080.
You have a 3D printer. Build a shroud from the down fire air cooler to the side wall, where the CPU fan can pull the most fresh air with the least recircling case air. It HAS to be flush on both sides, so plan in some foam as well.
Shrouds have proven to be effective, especially custom built ones.
8:00 I bet you could do a 3d printed extension for this top cover for it to fit the 25mm fan
corsair should sell this as a "case only" and recommend for only CPU's that do not run hot which is great for the casual gamer/web surfer and those that want a good aesthetic with a budget CPU
I would do a full rebuild and repaste on that PC. Maybe even de-liding if the temps still aren't under control. If that doesn't work I would cut the top of that case off entirely and bolt on a thicker radiator. It won't look pretty but would perform better.
Noctua has a 15mm thick fan that is a beast and you can add two 92mm in the back exhaust
I would like to see testing with 25mm fans on the top just to see what the results are. Even with the top resting on the fans for airflow if a 3D printed extension bracket was made down the line.
Also break out the KPx!!!!
JAY can you do a video about a single pc for streaming and gaming. There isnt many videos breaking down what components are more efficient for gaming and streaming at the same time!
3d print an extension for the top hat and put bigger fans underneath
To fix this pc in my opinion, take out the aio 4090 put in a founders 4090 (if it would fit), take out the 120 cpu aio for a 240 aio and then use the corsair icue link fans all around and set up the side fans as top left (intake), top right (exhaust), bottom right (intake), and the top 2 fans exhausting. I think that would see better temps than what this set up is.
Had exactly this problem on my a200 when I first rec'd it. The CPU would throttle long before the fans would start to ramp up. Can't look at the curve because iCue won't let you see it, and the BIOS curves don't control the fans (as shipped) because the system fan isn't connect to the mobo anywhere. I ultimately had to disconnect the system fan (the big 140mm on top) and move it to CPU_FAN2 in order to run FanControl and actually apply a rational curve. This was also a requirement to run Linux (using CoolerControl), as Corsair won't support that OS re: cooling.
I re m remember back in the day of heat pipe cpu coolers .. I used those Sunon brand fans.. they had insane air flow.. and keep the fingers away from those fan blades .. I'm old school gamer . Putting together piece by piece nother computer using 13700 k cpu and MSI 4080 graphic card .and 64 gb Kingston ram. ..just got to get power supply and case .then install windows .. thanks for your educational videos
Maybe use a BCF bracket on the CPU, lift the top with spacers to fit thicker fans should be running a decend amount cooler
I would like to see this next step to improving this case
to put it in car terms, corsair tried to cool a 2000hp v12 engine with a 1968 vw beetle radiator
Jay, I wanted to add to your discussion on AVX and CPU usage spikes. While Cinebench might not reflect typical use, modern games like Call of Duty use AVX instructions for tasks like shader compilation, leading to high CPU usage spikes. Regular users can experience thermal throttling and performance issues in these scenarios, especially with setups like a 14900K paired with a single 120mm AIO cooler. The problem is worsened by motherboard manufacturers needing better solutions to manage voltage and frequency curves for optimal performance and stability, as many BIOS auto settings are overkill and contribute to these issues. Cheers!
I'm a noob... bought a Pre-build like 4 years ago..
after 4 years, I thought it was time to clean the fans and rad (smoker/vaper)
whole bunch of dust in and around the rad..
after cleaning, my temp of my I7 11700k reached 100 degrees on startup.. and idle around 85 degrees...
turned out that while taking the rad out to clean and blow it out (leaving the block on the CPU) I broke the (thin) factory bond of paste while wiggling the rad.
there really wasn't much paste between the block and cooler to be honest.
bought myself some artic silver, repasted it, now its back running at 65 depending on what I'm doing.
so yeah... moving/wiggling the rad, can break the cooling bond (at least in my case)
I have a 14700K with the noctua NH-C14S running two fans. A cold R23 run hits thermal throttling in 4.5 minutes with the side panel off, so rethink this idea. 13:56
I wonder how the Arctic P14 Slim would work in this, they're good fans for being slim & price is great.
id like to see this pc perform well. Corsair: almost makes great products... this pc is like a Metaphore for the whole line up from corsair it almost works as described
I feel like the reason GPU fans were connected to CPU header is so fans spin up and exhaust more AIR when the CPU gets warm, other than that, maybe it would have been better to go with 240 on CPU and 120 on GPU could have been a better solution
Could you squeeze TWO 120mm AIO radiators side by side, so the tanks remain in a vertical orientation? That way you don't have a tank off to the side, making things too wide.
Hi Jay, A DIY person can put anything into anything until they enter the bedroom. What would the world be like without CORSAIR? It would be better, much better.
looking forward to see what the Noctua down fire air cooler can do.
Never understood why they just didn‘t put a 7800X3D in there. Or AMD in general and not that ridicuously high tdp Intel CPUs.
Would like the case with cooling as a barebone, that‘d be nice.
Using a 14900k, -0.05v undervolt and using a NH-U12A in a fractal north, the temp is going to low 90s in Cinebench in 26C room temp, for the down firing coolers I believe it will be better than the 120mm AIO but still isn't enough..
the aio cooler is in wrong position, make it like car radiator - rotate it to 90 deg, and make incoming to radiator water from top, and cool water from bottom pipe. the fan for aio - make it to blow thru aio but from inside, because now you blow hot air from aio inside the case ... but better is to take bigger cooling for 2 fans... and push thru is better than pull (compressed air has more molecules to take heat away from the radiator than rarefied air)
"I feel a great disturbance in the Force...as if millions of Steves from Gamer's Nexus cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced..."
I'd add some 10mm spacers and a 3d Printed gasket for the top.
Sure !
Crazy to thank that a system made by Corsair wouldn't have the pump or fans connected to their own proprietary software!
@5:45 Like a Glove!
Try putting a 240 at the top with no fans and those 300 rpm mag lex fans you did a vid on a while ago. And tape over the perforations in the back of the case to help force all that air through the fanless rads up top
Always love your videos Jay and team, have you thought about doing a guided video about corsair ICUE and how to set custom fan curves, I haven't really found anything decent to explain all the different settings and info is sporadic at best...thanks in advance
Cut the tubes, put some quick disconnect fittings on them, swap the GPU to the 120 and the CPU to the 240, for shits and giggles of course.
I wonder if attaching some suitable size heatsinks to the GPU AIO copper plate would help with the VRAM? Should add some passive cooling given the extra airflow from the bigger fans.
trying to find fans that prioritize CFM instead of noise is a hard task... heck trying to find them in 80mm OG size recently was one heck of a task and i think i failed, basically replaced all the fans with less good ones! (i don't care if it sounds and hover like a hovercraft, internal temp should not be 45 C with 5 fans set at 100% and barely audible!)