Netflix Fixes Dolby Vision vs HDR10 and MORE! Fomoshow Dec 8
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What I'd like to know is this only regulated to Netflix because of how they manage bandwidth and maybe the Codex that they use. I'd like to know if this is the same when comparing apple plus original programming Amazon Prime in HBO Max
@@chrisbullock6477 Can't say because only Netflix is being transparent about what they are doing
The fact that Sony removed the titles for purchases is a reminder why physical media is still important.
It's mostly the zoomers that have to learn the hard way 😂
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What Sony did is called Piracy
Exactly!!!!!
Waiting the day when Sony Agents gets to my door and at gun point takes away my Blu-ray and 4K discs…
… then I wake up and see my collection still sitting hapily in the shelves!
I remember reading the comments back when Samsung released their new 2023 flagship TV model. Most of the comments were about Samsung not supporting DV like LG does and it's a "No DV it's a no buy for me". Netflix and DV put out an Interesting and educational literature for its consumers. Great content as usual, thanks man
DV on a high end TV at this moment only matters if you have pirated DV content instead of downloading the HDR10 version, because it won't play. If studios switch to grading for 4000 nits and TVs start to greatly exceed 1000 nits, then this will change. But for now, there is no need for dynamic tonemapping on a 1000 nits TV.
@@kadajawi2The issue being that they are grading with a 4000nit container while using only 1/10th of it..
yeah, my research led me to think Dolby Vision was a deal breaker... ended up with 2 TVs I loath. (moved continents 2x, couldn't bring my tvs with me) Learned a lot trying new things.
like 240hz motion doesn't mean the display will work with anything above 60hz.
You need way more than 350nits to have bearable HDR experience. (I turn hdr off to play games)
VRR needs to be turned off otherwise I get tearing.
basically all the stickers on the box were to my detriment lol.
I'm not going to stray from the trusted brands again.
Honestly I've found Dolby Vision to be way over hyped. Especially on Netflix. Physical media is the best way to go for Dolby Vision.
That’s what I have discovered as well!
Still overly dim imo accurate yes but dim to the eye
Just FYI Nintendo recently put in a extremely large into the hundreds of thousands order for screens from Samsung
@@chrisbullock6477 Nice! Maybe for the new switch?
Even normal blu ray physical looks great streaming is over hyped
This is no surprise. DV presumably requires more data since it is scene by scene data rather than static data. It should be a no brainer it will require higher bitrate than HDR10 to look best.
If your tv brightness is above 1000 nits you honestly don't need to care. Dolby vision is great for tvs with low brightness / dynamic range since it dynamically tonemaps scenes or frames.
DV actually should save data (with profile 5), as it is using a much more efficient color space.
@@Michael.TalbotI agree to an extent, but DV is still available on high nit displays. DV still provides the best gamut mapping, tone mapping and encodes are typically better.
And as most of Hollywood prefers DV over HDR10, DV will continue to garner unwavered support. Disney is re-reeasing Avatar and Way if Water with new DV encodes(pysical and streaming). Aliens, The Abyss, and True Lies as well are all getting DV encodes on physical and streaming.
Wall-E through Criterion and Disney collab released a new version on disc with a all new DV encode.
@@TheCrucialQ Precisely.. I am not sure these graphs are telling the whole story! Dynamic metadata frame by frame will be better than static metadata for the whole scene. That is just a fact. I agree that the differences will be hard to notice when you dont have TVs next to each other but continuing to say HDR10 is as good as DV just doesnt make sense. Then why is there HDR10+ with dynamic metadata.
@@TheCrucialQ Look DV at this point is just a licencing scam and the only reason why Sony added it to the A95L is because Sony and Dolby are both owned by the same people, now unless there has been a recent update the meta data is still broken. The A95L looks good because of the QD panel and Sony`s processing and not because of DV in fact it is holding the TV back because it is a standard.
I have LG C1 and i use Apple TV because i can disable DV and use HDR10 and if i don`t the picture looks way to dark and crushes black detail.
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If only they could have higher bitrates on streaming. Around 20 Mbps is really low. 80 Mbps at least would be good. But i get it that it would be expensive for the companies to implement that. But internet speeds are so high today and yet we don't utilize it.
Bravia core already does that.
Your TV also should have Gigabit Ethernet in order to take advantage of high bit rate content. Unfortunately, today’s TVs have 100 Mbps Fast Ethernet ports because that is what is built into today’s TV chipsets. At 80 Mbps raw data rates, adding required overhead like IP addresses so that routers know where to send the video pushes the required data rate for high bit rate content above Fast Ethernet’s 100 Mbps maximum speed. This means that you will have to cut your bit rate to fit Fast Ethernet or use Wi-Fi which means that you and your neighbors’ Wi-Fi networks can interfere with each other while you stream your high bit rate content, which can possibly get really bad if you live in an apartment with lots of close-by neighbors with their own Wi-Fi networks that will interfere with each other and your Wi-Fi network while your Wi-Fi network interferes with their Wi-Fi networks.
@@absolutium I know, but how many have that and it's also very limited with movies
@@jnvivian Yeah, that really sucks. Today i only have 100/10 Mbit/s connection. But that's because i haven't any use case for more than the lowest speed right now and it's really cheap compared to higher speeds. But I'm planning on moving to an bought apartment where 1000/1000 Mbit/s will be included. It will be kind of bad if i can't use the full speed with an ethernet cable on a new premium tv I'm planing on buying in 2024
@@FHC1944I noticed that these TV sellers are selling tens of millions of televisions. The cost of a USB 3.0 to Gigabit Ethernet controller and required 25 MHz crystal oscillator which supplies a 25 MHz clock signal is around $10 for the parts. If you already have a 25 MHz clock elsewhere, you can cut the cost to around $8 by reusing the clock. This also requires additional printed circuit board space, hardware engineering work, and software engineering work. If your chipset has PCIe, then you could use a PCIe to Gigabit Ethernet controller for $8. At those volumes, adding a Gigabit Ethernet controller and not raising the price to offset the costs means potentially missing on hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue.
As a consumer, I would happily pay $20 more and maybe more if needed for built-in Gigabit Ethernet in a flagship TV, especially since I live in an apartment since I move a lot due to my job, so I would like to avoid Wi-Fi interference with my neighbors’ Wi-Fi networks. Single family homeowners might not see much benefit from Gigabit Ethernet in TVs except when dealing with Wi-Fi dead spots since their Wi-Fi networks are unlikely to interfere with their neighbors’ Wi-Fi networks. Gigabit Ethernet makes no sense in low end TVs.
MediaTek is the third party TV SoC monopolist after allegedly using unfair antitrust law-violating tactics to drive Realtek out of the TV SoC market, and is being sued by Realtek for those alleged antitrust violations. MediaTek’s flagship TV SoCs include PCIe and USB 3.0 as expansion buses. Its more midrange chips only include USB 3.0 as an expansion bus. (Due to newer USB-IF rules and the revocation of the USB 3.0 standard, MediaTek can only get its newest products to be certified to various USB 3.x Gen 1 standards instead of USB 3.0, but they are functionally the same as USB 3.0.) Its lowest end chips only include USB 2.0 as an expansion bus. While USB 2.0 to Gigabit Ethernet controllers exist, they are limited to USB 2.0 speeds, but would be faster than Fast Ethernet controllers and are fast enough for today’s high bit rate 4K content. However, Gigabit Ethernet makes no sense for today’s low end TVs where every corner must be cut to break even or make a small profit on those. The only TV makers that I am aware of that don’t use MediaTek SoCs are Samsung and LG, who make their own SoCs.
Fomo covers all the biggest topic in the tv and entertainment industry. Big update!!!!! Glad I tuned in.
Me too 😉
I'll be onboard the sinking physical media ship for 4k cinema until I'm treading water.
I'm hoping the congress and the library of congress jumps in, and when you buy a digital copy of media you have a right to own it and use it personally with a local copy and access to a forever copy to replace it with hosted by the library of congress or something similar for eternity.
live drm checks and lack of future support will mean only pirates have access to the real data.
I really like this news format. ✨👍
When Ultra Violet went away, I saw the writing on the wall and stopped "buying" digital. Walmart selling Vudu, and Sony doing this twice now just re-enforces to do not buy digital. Changing content from streaming services and Max just flat out getting rid of content re-enforces my need to buy the movies and shows I like. So I vote with my wallet and purchase physical media instead of subscribing to those services.
"No Dolby Vision? Sorry, that's a deal-breaker to me. How am I going to enjoy my CGI Marvel slop in my dimly lit man-cave without a corporate video codec?"
I always buy physical media for the very reason you discussed in this video along with the fact the quality is so much better than what I can stream it at.
I thought DV is most beneficial with dark TVs. The great thing about it is dynamic tonemapping, but for 1000 nits content on a 1000+ nits TV that isn't necessary. There is no advantage to DV.
Lg fans not gonna like this
Hi, Outstanding content! Physical media is the best way to go for Video and Audio! no streaming service can do oar own at this time. great show!
That's BS, 7.4% of LGs decline didn't just go to Samsung. That doesn't even make sense. Only part of it. I mean 890K units doesn't make up for 7.4% of LGs total sales. Not given the market shares between LG and Samsung.
Believe it or not, LG lost out to TCL and Hisense because not everyone goes and buys an OLED.
When you can today get a MiniLED that is 95% as good as an OLED. But none of the worries. Also they are much cheaper.
So ✌🏼👍🏻
I will continue purchasing physical media.
Outstanding content! Thank you brother!
FOMO, thank you for this video. I have two comments.
1. It seems to me that DV is only worse at low bandwidth because it has more data; isn't it worse with lower bandwidth because not all of the data (metadata) is coming through? Or am I misunderstanding the situation and thinking too simplistically?
2. I have been purchasing discs, and I will always continue to do so. Quality is better and way more consistent. And I actually f***ing own them forever. I actually wish studios would just sell them online-direct for a bit cheaper and so we wouldn't have to rely on retailers like Best Buy (for a bit longer) or Amazon or Target or etc.
Thank you Mr fomo. 😊 I love your videos and have to agree that when I love or want a movie I buy it. I own real close to 5 thousand movies. No one can manipulate or take the movies I love. 😳🤕 It hurts me to see Sony or any company taking advantage of it's customers.
5000 movies in which formats?
I own 1,200 BluRay and 500 4K UHD BluRay!
@@we8463 My collection started when DVDs started. I would say 3000 are DVD's, 200 HD DVD, over a thousand Blu-ray, about 150 or so 4k.
I bought a c2 and dv was BAD. Turned it off and hdr was GREAT. Made me sell it and got an S95B. Internet called me crazy but I'm just objective
HiSense "40,000 Backlight zones" is NOT = to "dimming zones". It's more of how many miniLEDs are in the TV. I know it doesn't mean actual dimming zones.
But that said, we're not far off from way more dimming zones being standard on MiniLED and then the advantage of OLED goes out the window. Especially since these MinILEDs can output way more nits as well.
D advantage of oled is already OUT of window 🪟! So dim !
Qd oled is not OLED . The average consumers r biased not knowing Mini LED had advanced so much . My house hold everyone dispose d old Oled dim , low Color volume , burn in etc . 😅 just unferwhelmjng
Dolby feels more and more like a unnecessary middle man that's just keeps sucking out money from both sides.. Even after the optimization it still looks worse so I personally think Samsung is making the right call on not paying for DV. They should also stop wasting money on HDR10+ it seems just as useless.
Depends on the tv. A darker tv is going to benefit the most
I'm here for those 5500 nit LCDs. Sony...GET ON IT. LETS GOOOO
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I'm a firm believer that you CAN indeed change the trend. Quit buying digital, especially for the same price. Rent it once, like it? Buy the physical copy. BAM!! Yours forever. Simple. Quit paying these fools to rent something long-term, be a little smarter with your money
All of these new OLED are cool however, I’m most excited about what 2024 will bring for TCL and Hisense and their larger scale LED TVs. Wonder if they will go bigger than 100 inches. 100U8K was an value proposition!
The Sony issue is why I rarely purchase cloud content. If I do, there is a download attached to it. The disc is where it's at.
I remember when Apple tried that mess with their iPhones. You didn't really own their phone when you bought it. SMH
3rd option for LG is bring back 3D. I know for me I'm not letting my 2016 LG go and I'm not downgrading to a new TV without 3D.
Netflix sucks for high bit rates anyway hdr or Dolby vision. Amazon does this way better
My question is, where are the 12-bit panels? Isn’t that where Dolby Vision would thrive? I’m in the camp of being pro Dolby Vision.
The biggest issue with Netflix is the abysmal bitrates
Very informative. A better analogy for What Sony did with their purchases would be, go go to a car dealership and they say you are purchasing a car, but you don't read the fine print, that they can take it back at any time.😄
Those who do subjective comparisons have been saying the same thing seems like people just like seeing Dolby Vision for no other reason than the name itself.
Professional setup comparisons on capable displays?
If I can spot a noticeable improvement with HDR10+ compared to HDR10 by just using streaming services, I think it's safe to say Dolby is an improvement as well.
Great video FOMO!
I own a Samsung QLED and QD-OLED and I don't miss Dolby Vision.
Compressed video is stale bread, Netflix isn't known for quality. Convenience comes at a price.
But over 10000 kbps they are exactly the same. What bitrate does Netflix typically deliver? 4k HDR at 1500 kbps of course has compromised quality. I would think netflix would drop resolution well before that low bitrate.
I wonder where we are at with the maturity of miniled tech as far as how much more can they squeeze out of it in terms of containing blooming and increasing contrast/black levels? The only innovations seem to be cramming more zones into panels as opposed to refining the algorithms more.
I had 5 credits on Sonys streaming they expired without notice, tried to contact them was unable. Even the email I found on the tv went nowhere.
You only get a year to use the credits after purchasing your TV. After you redeem the credits for movies Sony will let you keep those until 2028.
To restore your credits just factory reset your tv , create a new account , the voucher code resets and you get a new set of points. You must create a new account or else it won’t work. Just make another gmail account and use that for to log into your Sony TV.
About Dolby Vision vs HDR10... First, there is no clear video quality scale on the graphs, just "lower" to "higher", so there's no guarantee you can just overlay the two graphs to compare them. But even if we assume you can, the point of DV compared to HDR10 is tone mapping to the display capabilities when it's not capable of displaying the entire luminance range of the signal. Like you pointed out, the tests were made with an "ideal display" for the signal, thus eliminating the need for display mapping and making the comparison fair. The fact that DV requires higher bitrates because of its dynamic metadata, and so looks worse than HDR10 at the same bitrate is no surprise. Which is why Netflix optimization could be interesting to improve on that disadvantage while conserving the advantages of dynamic tone mapping metadata for contents that extend beyond the display capabilities. So the research didn't show that HDR10 looked better than DV as a whole, neither when the bitrate is not an issue nor when the display capabilities are limited anyway.
I think the whole point is that *because* the larger amount of data associated with DV is siphoning off bandwidth at lower bitrates, even a TV that would benefit the least from DV still suffers a perceived detriment when streamed at low bitrates. The more bandwidth siphoned then the worse *everything* about the signal suffers. The solution Netflix and Dolby provided is to compensate for that detriment such that it's no longer apparent, not necessarily to tone map a display that doesn't need it.
The ideal display having high luminance range likely intentionally serves as a means to ensure that there's no tone mapping affecting the solution, which can be seen as an algorithm intentionally masquerading as a gap fill of missing data. But key thing being that they're effectively protecting the integrity of the signal, not how effective Dolby Vision itself is or isn't at doing what it does.
That said, using ideal displays to develop it first makes sense to me for the reasons stated above...yet I would think that they would follow it up by then providing before and after test results on a variety of "non-ideal" TVs.
Thanks
The new Hisense MiniLED panel would make a 55" with 20,000 MiniLED zones or a 27" monitor with 9900 zones. One can only hope!
I think it's the TV company's implementation of DV software. DV is crushed and cannot be fixed with calibration on LG oleds.
Well at least the CX and C1 and probably the C2 and 3 as well.
I bought a 75inch TCL P635 TV. Why I choose to buy a TCL? because it was the cheapest TV with big screen where I live. I was looking for a Samsung and LG TV, but the prices are much higher.
Is the 75inch (TCL P635) worth 734 USD?
I have a LG C1 and i use the tv's built in apps (Netflix, Prime, Max, Disney, etc) and there is no way to choice HDR10 or DV. So my question to you is, is there a way to pick them? Also would the PS5 be better for watching the apps on tv?
Im excited for the pressure for better HDR and better dimming zones by Hisense and TCL...
As my current HDR10+ display is only 350nits and all my HDR gaming content looks like crap this news is exciting.
Hopefully the EU doesnt limit newer brighter panels too much.. I know 8k is arriving at peoples doors with the backlight near zero to meet energy consumption standards.
I do think that I have had good experience with DV on Disney+ and maybe a couple of others.
If hisense can improve upscaling and motion then I'll consider
I never understood or should I say brought in to buying movies I couldn't download to my hard drive and transfer at will. Goes for music too.
I moved from a Samsung to a Sony this holiday buying season. And i dont like DV. Its way too dim. I dont give a fart if its more accurate if it just looks dark. I dont have a 4k bluray player and it may be better there. But for streaming i wish i could turn DV off.
@stopthefomo Interesting video… I wonder if this is why I couldn’t view any Dolby Vision content on HBO “MAX” last night. I noticed that every movie that is Dolby Vision certified didn’t play in DV, only in HDR. Now I’m wondering if MAX went the Netflix route and removed Dolby Vision 🤔
8:16 Am I misunderstanding? Based on these graphs wouldn’t your bandwidth need to be LESS THAN 10 mbps to even notice a difference on the graph at all? Also assuming the video quality axis is of equal measurement since there are no numerical values.
Agreed
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Great show FOMO. Lots of information. I’m about to invest in a UHD Blu-ray player for the very reason regarding that issue of ‘purchasing’ content. Have you done any episodes on physical media? ‘Cause it seems video disks are still expensive and you turn to cloud base solutions and then the fine print bites you in the ass. You have any suggestions on this? Don’t want to invest in a player and Blu-ray Disc become extinct. Thanks.
Personally, I took a chance on the 77” s90c over a 77” C3 due the price to quality ratio.
So did I!😉
In a way it shows how small the QD-OLED market is for not just Samsung but also Sony. If the total "unit" (Panels from Samsung Display) was 890K. Well Samsung sold nearly 37 million TVs in a year.
That means their QDOLED sales amounts to less than 4% of their entire TV sales. Even less given that some of those 890K units went to Sony. So could be less than 3% of Samsung's sales.
So much for QD-OLED or OLED in general taking over the market like FOMO says, lol. Yet TCL and Hisense are LED and MiniLED and they are growing and 97% of Samsung sales are LED/MiniLED.
MiniLED has a more rapid evolution now and it's not going away.
Ofcourse mini led and lcd will lead. Qd oled are in more expensive and flagship series, how the hell will qd oled suppose to lead like that? It will only lead in expensive category.
I Pray that changes with the digital buying, but I have been warning my friends and family about this happening. They was wondering why I still buy blu rays thus is why and blu ray are better buy all the way around better quality pictures, better quality sound and you own it!! WIN, WIN WIN!!
I can not see myself buying LG or Sony in the near future. TCL n SAMSUNG n Hisense innovative energy taking the challenge against SONY/LG bully . i love :) :) that gratitude n strength.
Do you think Samsung knew this and that's why they refused to use Dolby Vision, or do you think it's just coincidence?
I doubt it, that would require Samsung to have actually licensed DV. Then they would have been given access to DV, which would have included info that professionals have to sign NDAs for.
Word is, Samsung wanted more than what Dolby was willing to give up.
@@TheCrucialQDo you really think a multi billion conglomerate as Samsung is incapable of reverse engineering any technology and say.. we can do better and make it cheaper?
@@absolutium You can't reverse engineer it if you don't have access Dolby Vision algorithms and other information that is under NDA. HDR10+ would of have been 12 bit with Full Enhancement Layer used the same color space that is under NDA. The same dynamic Metadata and dynamic tone mapping. HDR10+ was collaboration between Samsung, Panasonic and Fox(before Disney purchased it). Despite, having all this money and engineering minds across three large corporations, all they could come up with, is HDR10 with 10 bit dynamic metadata.
@@TheCrucialQ You are one of those bigger is better people.. yet there is a finite amount of juice you can get from a lemon..
DV means for the vast majority of content a 4000nit container using 10% of it.. the only purpose of the dynamic Metadata is to fit a 1000nit reference standard into incompetent panels which wont be able to present the full dynamic range from the content.. Im no longer an avid collector yet one describes whats happening by recurrence not by the exception out of 300 Blu-ray discs not even 5 require the available range..
What's worse is that you are doing exactly what audiophiles do..
@@absolutium Dolby Vision dynamic metadata consist several aspects of image reproduction. The variables are luminance(highlights, APL), black level, shadow detail, gamut mapping, pixel data, 2 bits of data extrapolated from the original HDR master. Although, most assume the only metric to be tone mapped is peak brightness or highlights, but from mid tones to the deep blacks are tone mapped.
Most mastering monitors, can do true black and most consumer displays, outside of OLED can not produce true black. The Sony Z9D is currently the only consumer level LCD display to achieve the coveted true black level.
Dolby Vision has trim passes that create 600 - 2000 nit versions with dynamic metadata/tone mapping for obvious reasons.
Here in Brazil not even HDR are working. And the bitrate of 4K drops worse. Netflix Brazil not answer your consumers. Shame.
HDR 10?
Samsung is saying, "see, I told you".
i'm a fan of dolby vision ive been a fan of dolby in general since the early 2000's. i guess their marketing (the dolby digital pin drop intro that would play prior to a movie) left an impression on me. that being said, i can see a future where dolby loses out to hdr 10 and hdr 10 plus. I believe manufactures are starting to realize that they may not need dolby vision or dolby atmos. with google developing an open source atmos alternative, samsung working on their own atmos alternative and refusing to adopt dolby vision. it's just a matter of time before others start following suit. if netflix were to not continue using dolby vision that would be a major hit to dolby. there could be some revolt from the casuals and the hardcore from the home theater community, due to them having to potentially replace their audio equipment to work with the new standard 3d audio format.
I have been saying since day one that Dolby Vision looks worse than HDR 10 and I am talking about the UHD discs, not streaming. I get so excited when a UHD disc of a movie I want is HDR 10 instead of Dolby Vision.
Samsung TVs are better than Sony TVs to most unbiased consumers who need it for a purpose. For example, Samsung Neo-QLED can be better than the Sony A80L.
"Why is the Sony so dim?" Karen said as she was overlooking the TVs at her local Best Buy. "Wow, the Samsung is so slim and pretty. It's so bright and colorful. I can watch House Hunters and Sister Wives with the blinds open."
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂love ur comment so much cuz I am a officially a Karen now cuz I had that utter reaction seeing A80L n A90K playing spider man dark movie 🎥. So undetwhelmjng. It looked inferior by being dim . It’s like luxury car with 100!💯house power lol as getting on highway or starting up at traffic light 🚦
lol I don’t watch Sister wives tho Cody just cringe 😬. I do watch 90 Day Fiance , n big fat fabulous life etc . Those shows r entertaining lol
Cant decide between Samsung S90C or Sony A80CL. Looking at 77in and mostly for movies/tv shows (home theater) going to go with AppleTV 4k and sonos dolby atmos speakers. Leaning sony beacuse of Dolby vision and Dolby atmos. But looks like HDR10+ is closing gap on the samsung. I also have 1gb internet
Dolby Vision on Netflix and Disney plus looks phenomenal on my 55 Sony A80K and 65 A95L. IDK if anyone else notices this but it’s been broken on Max and Paramount Plus last couple of days. Dolby Vision supported content on Max and Para don’t go into it. First I thought it was my tv but turned out it’s Fine on Netflix and Disney +. I don’t think it’s tv? Any suggestions on the Max and Paramount front?
Does (HBO) Max stream HDR 10+? I could care less about Netflix.
No. Prime, Paramount, Disney, Hulu and Apple. Which is kinda impressive now that I look at it. They've grown the list a lot over the last couple years.
Ciao @stopthefomo! Sei il migliore! Sto guardando tutti i tuoi video e sono davvero il top!! Grazie mille!!
Vorrei approfittarne per chiederti una cosa, tra Samsung s95c, LG g3 e Sony a83l, quale mi consigli? Considerando che il primo in Italia si trova a 2000€ mentre gli altri due a 2500€! Ovviamente 65”.. grazie mille di nuovo!! Spero tanto in una tua risposta!!
I have old Sony KD-65AF8 OLED and HDR10 always looked way better then Dolby Vision. Really wish Sony would add ability to completely disable Dolby Vision support on the device or Apple TV would have the capability to disable Dolby Vision from Match Content Dynamic Range setting.
Samsung has to step it up to compete with TCL and Hisense. No QDOLED isn't the way since even if they sell 1 million QDOLED. That is still only 1/36th's of their sales. It's barely even a drop in the bucket.
I love mini LED but we are trying to get away from thick heavy TVs like our beloved Sony x95k 75inch
Physical media will always be king, to me.😊
Without having read the study, my first question here would be: is it actualy valid to overlay those graphs? (Normalization issue.)
Yo Fomo😊
Why even have that comparison if DV doesn't get more Mbps and not even 20Mbps+? it's misleading and everyone knows why
Big TV? Practicality must also be taken into account?
The purchase of a 115 inch TV from China to USA is currently noticed on yuotube. At least three people werw necessary for assembly/montage. And the bigger the TV is, more pixels he has, more likely malfunctions are possible? And this 115 inch TV already has a dead pixel. More and more, calls for more errors? Or not? And power consumption? More nits, more power? Will this be not to much for us, regular consumers?
Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about the idea of a 100 inch TV. Just for thought and why I don't have it yet. But the first reason, which I haven't mentioned yet, is my wife. She would kill me, if i brought this "big beast" into our living room :) But for example, the TCL 98P745 was available at one point at a price of 2000 euros. Crazy. And very tempting!
Disney needs to do the same thing. It's HDR10/DV steaming video quality is significantly worse than the same shows and movies in HDR10/DV on disc.
The chinese tv manufacturers are going to replace Samsung and lg in 3-4years time, please checkout their plans: BOE just completed 8.6G Oled factory to produce oled for IT purposes & Full RGB oled with Quantum Dot filter with 2500nit brightness by the end of 2025, TCL just made a significant breakthrough with it INKJET FULL RGB OLED that can reach 2000nit peak brightness and 300nit full field and is schedule for dec.2025, hisense is making alot of improvement to it video processing. samsung is wise enough not to invest more money into Qd oled by learning from LG's failure. in conclusion by the end 2025 a 55'' inkjet oled will be sold @ $750 because production cost is very low
Yeah !!!!😅🎉🎉🎉 I have seen Hisense Selling OLED in Chinese site . This is big news . 📰
I have 1 Gbps internet, use ethernet through my Apple TV, and prefer HDR10 over Dolby Vision on my 65" Sony A95K
Great Review
13:14 Get myself a G4 or C4? Where?
If I am going to buy a tv that costs between 3-5 thousand, is it worth it to have it professionally calibrated? Like from Value Electronics. I don't have anyone within 200 miles of my house that do pro calibration.
Stop the REPO.
whats the point of netflix paying a licensing fee if plain old basic hdr10 is just as good and free and supported by basically everything? What am i missing? If i was netflix id remove DV and introduce hdr 10+.
Sony cannot be held responsible for this. WB must have wanted more $$$ that Sony refused to pay. It would mean having to put the rising costs onto consumers/gamers. They’d complain about that too. You take a chance when purchasing digital media. It can be taken from you at any time.
Sony, and the like, should have a buy or "lease". Buy you own forever, lease is for a "period of time".
I put everything on HDR10 as I prefer that more
Shouldn't DV be compared to hdr10+ not hdr10.
I stopped buying digital media from sony a looooong time ago. I learned my lesson after moving from ps3 to PS4. I still by digital content from steam and Amazon, just hope they will be around another 50 years. For film still mainly buy Blu ray and DVD's laugh if you want to but I dont have to worry about losing content for a good long time.
I just upgraded my Netflix to premium for the Dolby content. When does their Dolby optimization start applying to the contents? Is it already applied?
Yes it’s applied but strangley when I watch Dolby on my LG g6 phone picture is way better than on my iPhone 15pro. On my Lg G1 picture is amazing.
doesnt dolby vision show more colors than regular hdr? if so that would mean more data to send, = worse quality at low bitrates? seems like it all makes perfect sense
No it doesn't both are 10 bit color at the moment they are sent to the consumer..
And ironically NO.. DV uses less data since profile 5 (used for most of the streaming services) is a more efficient packaging for color.
Technically, DV and HDR10+ are capable of going up to 12 bits per color channel, while plain HDR10 is limited to 10 bits per color channel. This could become more important with BT.2020 content that is not constrained to the DCI-P3 color space, where recent research shows that you need 11 bits per color channel to make neighboring colors indistinguishable to human eyes according to what I found on Wikipedia. For DCI-P3 content, 10 bits per color channel is enough. You can run DV and HDR10+ at 10 bits per color.
@@jnvivian HDR10+ is only 10 bit, it doesn't carry any additional data like DV does to be 12 bit. On physical media, DV is 12 bit FEL or 10 bit MEL. Streaming DV is 11.5 bit because of the IPT based ICtCp color space which is more efficient than the YCbCr color space that most content SDR and HDR10 and has better HDR color support with high nit encodes..
@@absolutium DV streaming is 11.5 bit, On physical media, most of the DV content is 12 bit FEL(Full Enhancement Layer) 2 more bits of data from the HDR master. Universal, Paramount, Lionsgate and some upcoming DV heavy encodes like Wall-E Criterion collection, with visual night and day differences compared to the original Disney HDR10 only physical release.
@@TheCrucialQ It looks like both of us are wrong. According to the HDR10+ System Whitepaper on the HDR10+ website, HDR10+ can go from 10-16 bits per color channel. Anything beyond 11 bits is a waste to human eyes if using the BT.2020 color space, but since computers are not that great at handling odd numbers of bits unless they pack together into even bit packages, 12 bits per color channel is more optimal for computer processing. I would post a link, but some UA-camrs apparently set their channels to ban links as a spam prevention measure which sometimes eats legitimate non-spam links.
So how about movies on 4K movies is HDR 10 better than Dolby Vision?
LG needs to play the volume game if they drop their prices they will regain market share!
Most of the time HDR10 and DV are pretty close that it’s hard to tell. Both are good. I bought a 4K Blu-ray player that can only do HDR10 and HDR10+, no Dolby Vision and I saved half the cost. The 4K Blu-ray player with Dolby Vision was super expensive.
It's looking more and more like BestBuy probably picked the wrong time to stop selling Blu-ray discs.
They can always reassess and determine if the market shifts
@@chrisjfox8715 true, but I don't ever see them doing that.
When TCL and Hisense get OLED it will be game over 🎉
Is this Netflix optimization in the Netflix TV app only, or all devices running Netflix?
All devices running Netflix
Thanks for the clarification@@TheMa5cmpb
Apple been deleted my albums back then bruce willis warned the world in the early days
I disagree samsung oled cant compare to the g3 or the Sony top tier and their known for defected tvs all the time dead pixels burn in gray uniformity issues. Only good for movies thats NOT on tv channels
Is any way to disable Dolby vision on Netflix? I find standard HD content to be more vibrant than the so-called Dolby. Please help!!