Easiest and Safest way to refill 1 pound propane bottle
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- Опубліковано 16 січ 2018
- Here is how you can safely refill the small propane bottle and how to fully fill the bottle. Not just halfway or freeze your bottle. Straight up fully filled.
Note: When I say air it means propane vapor.
The purging of the bottle release the pressure so the liquid can enter easily. - Навчання та стиль
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You can get a full charge by burping the small bottles with a punch or drill bit for 4-5 seconds. do it with the bottle upright, depress the valve inside the threaded nipple, then fill again with the large tank. DO THIS OUTSIDE WITH NO IGNITION SOURCES NEARBY🔥, DO NOT MESS WITH THE VALVE ON THE BOTTLE ITSELF, it's a safety blow off valve that works opposite of the main valve. only do it 2 times, and weigh the bottle. it should be between 15-16 oz net, if its a little over, bleed it down with your punch.
I use these 1lb bottles with a big buddy propane furnace, and it's nice to get a full bottle run without having to get out of a nice warm sleeping bag :o)
Good suggestion.
This is essentially the way I fill my LP lift truck tank every morning at work. Only there it is on a much bigger scale, of course. Never had any issues filling in this method. Am able to get through an 8 hour shift without running out of gas. The LP tank on the lift has an actual valve you can hand-tighten and close when you start seeing the white vapors coming out of the safety valve. Then you know you're full. No scale required. So I personally say this is no more dangerous of method than any other. If you are in a vented area and away from a flame source, that's the main thing. There's a risk involved when filling these in having an accident just as much as filling the gas tank on your car. You should always use caution when doing either.
it's call a ten percent valve....... fancy name for bleeder valve
Well said...
Ya but you never have issues of breathing it in by accident based on the fact you never know when its going to shoot out the top the propane tank? And your always expelling a little to the air but again thats probably so minor that home hvac system probably expel more CO over a year then you doing this method. I once checked a small propane tank and got it spray up at me a little not on to my face or anything but it was a close call (out side but wind was blowing so may have breathed in a few fumes. Stupidly I had the valve stem perpendicular to my face at the time i pressed the valve down to check it (Not realizing the speed at which compressed cold can propane tanks shoot out even though it was mostly empty).... But learned quickly from it how to more properly check it by pointing it away from you and pressing down ...either way your still releasing some fumes and propane smells around you which is not good... for bigger tanks i imagine you just stand farther back and detach when you see the first signs.
Also thanks for replies i have one additional question is the valve stems that you can take out of the small propane tanks the same kind as tire or ac valve stems. Because i like to replace them if possible. Anyway i have an old propane small tank i want to uses as a crucible for melting metals so i had to research how to remove these valves to fill the tank with water so i could cut it in half.. This tank is not savable anyway but in general your filling method is super convenient for plumbing , wax sculpture making , portable grill camping ,,...etc.
Interesting! have NOT started filling 1 Lb tanks yet. TY for the update.
Transferring propane from one container to another is possible only when there is a difference in pressure in the 2 containers. The only way to safely transfer propane from the large tank to the smal tank is having the big tank at a warm temperature and the smaller tank at a lower temperature. For example, putting the small tank in the freezer at 25F will bring the vapour pressure of the propane down to 44 PSIG. Putting the 20# tank in hot summer air at, say, 90F will bring its vapour pressure to 150 PSIG.
It is this difference in pressure which allows the propane to flow. The best and safest way is to just connect the 2 tanks together and not fool around with the main valve or the relief valve on the small tank. If you get only 3/4 Lbs in the small tank, so be it!
Totally agree. I push the pin in the middle a few times n fill it 3 times to get to 3/4 but so far works like a charm
Pressure has nothing to do with temperature ... The transfer of the liquid occurs due to gravity ... the pressure difference speeds up the transfer ...
As an AC tech with a lot of experience with condensable gases, I disagree that is the only way. With non heated or chilled tanks, as soon as you hook the two bottles together soon both containers will equalize in pressure. However, liquid is denser than gas so if the empty bottle with gas is held down low, while the full one with liquid is held up high (inverted), gravity will transfer the liquid from the higher container to the lower while the gas will rise to the upper container. As an example of this, it would be the same thing as hooking two containers filled with water, one full and one nearly empty at atmospheric pressures. The water in the full upper container will drain to the lower partially full container and the air will rise to the upper container because pressure is equalized but the liquid is denser. Used to transfer refrigerant from one cylinder to another on job sites (before they put in non-refill fittings) and it worked great, with no heating or chilling needed.
You need to leave 20% empty space for expansion!!!
There is not "air" in the tank, only propane in liquid form or gaseous (vapor) form. If you're venting you are expelling vapor propane.
number one thing is to have a scale
Now you can get a similar kit that does this for about $35 when on sale. Can you meet this price and still make a decent profit?
Where do I get that extension valve hose?
Great video for sure, but Where did you get the extension?
If big tank has little propane would the OPD valve still let the liquid flow through or would it block it? Basically can you use every bit of propane from large tank or does it stop flowing when there is still some left?
Have you ever thought of setting the main propane tank on a couple of 4x4's so you can simply reach under and get to the valve?
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That’s exactly how the guys at the refill station do it. They wait till the liquid squirts . Why do I need a scale ? I’m making me a tool like yours. You should make a video on how you made it.
Don,t do it. He is wrong. You CANNOT over pressure the can without a pump. Second, don,t mess with the settings on the relief valve. Just depressive the can through the center valve until MOST of the pressure is released. Then refill.
Because a scale will tell you that you a 1 lb refill. If you dont you're just guessing and you dont want to guess with gas, to dangerous. If the fluid is coming out the valve it maybe overfilled. A quick rough calculation puts the level close to 90% by volume. If he had a scale we would could compare weight vs volume. Way safer...
Some places fill by weight, others by ambient temperature. The warmer ambient air is, the more propane can be added to the tank. Filling any propane tank, be it a big rig , a 20lb tank or a one pound can is properly filled by a chart using ambient air temp. Since the one pound bottles are sold everywhere in all temperatures, they are filled as if it very cold .(outside) that way if the ambient air warms up to say 100 degrees , the propane will expand and not engage the safety valve releasing propane . (Safety built in the amount the bottle is filled)
By loosening (unscrewing) the relief valve to vent the 1 lb tank, you just changed the pressure that the safety relief valve will open. The pressure that the relief valve opens is set by the tension on the spring in the valve. The spring tension (and relief pressure) is adjusted by the amount the Schrader valve is screwed into the tank. Take the valve out of an empty tank and see how it works. Once you mess with the relief valve setting, the tank may either prematurely vent, releasing propane and potentially causing a fire, or prevent the tank from venting causing the tank explode.
Most videos show a pair of needle nose pliers being used to pull on the valve to release iar pressure.
Why not just push the valve on top?
@@Adam-gy6oi Can't vent & fill at the same time
Thanks.
Safest way I've seen on UA-cam yet, but he has indeed overfilled it. Be sure to dump the excess weight before the tank warms up, cos a tank completely full of liquid will try to expand hydraulically when it warms...boom! You always need around 20% propane vapour in there at the top cos vapour WILL handle heating-up without fracturing the tank. Rick a professional rocket scientist.
Wrong, tank has a pressure relief cave, you saw him use it. Must be blind
great !!! gloves. imma watch the whole vid.
I just fill with the adapter and except the amount i get safer that way besides you need the air to push the gas out and if all these diferantvwas was corect it would say in the safty instructions that come with the adapter.now the extention hose is a good idea makes it eazer to fill but the extention hose is as far as i would go with that you dont mess with the pop of valve when they are filled at the plant they are filled untill the valve pops like when i get my big tanks filled theres a auto release valve they fill it relieses they stop its full
You should first weight the completely empty 1lb propane bottle with hose attached and tare out weight, then read weight again after filling propane bottle for an accurate 1lb propane only weight with hose still attached, a slight amount left in hose will add about 1/2 oz more than inside bottle.
As you already know filling to exactly 1lb will leave a small void inside bottle as a safety prevention if hot weather causes propane liquid to expand inside and that safety valve you unthreaded is rated to release at 250 psi at 125F. (Propane is 110 psi at 70F and 177 psi at 100F)
He completely ignored the important matter of Weight !!!
A full 16 oz propane Canister weight is 30.5 oz.
Use an electronic scale to check propane amount.
This is the only way to keep from over filling a canister.
If you put too much in, press the center pin of exit value. Keep hand free of propane discharge. Very Very Cold.
Bill Rundell that correct. The valve control amount released. I can empty the whole tank via the valve.
YUP. Both ways will work. I do like your way better. It gives us a better control over propane
release. I usually over fill and then drop down to 30.5 oz tank filled weight by way of digital
scale.
Bill Rundell 2@
I have a special torque driver that I use to re tighten the relief valve.
Is the tool that you used to bleed pressure something that I can buy?
You made this hose set up or bought it made?
Good tip but don't worry, just open the valve and let it rip until solid white propane comes out.
How about using a filter between the hose and the 1 lb bottle?
where can i get one of your hose connections at?? thanks
Just trying to completely understand the concept of how these tanks completely work.. The bigger ones have the safety on one valve like grill tanks have a float that raise so you cann't put in more propane over a desired pressure ... but the small tanks uses a car tire valve remover tool and schrader valves. It seems to be the same size as AC valves , and tire valves... but again not completely sure on this. So thanks for any extra explanation. Also schrader valve for propane tanks are they the same as schrader valve for car systems or do you get them at a special plumbing/gas supply store ?
Never mess with the safety release valve. Release vapor by depressing the main valve with a forceps or thin Philips. Always use a scale so it doesn't go past 830 grams max.
How about weighing the 1 lb tank to have a better idea as to whether it is filled to a safe level?
Where did you get the hose with valve?
Helpful !!
Would you like to test propane refill hose with adapter ?
The two need to be shaped like the letter L to prevent freezer burns good concept( allen wrench)
Update; can you send contact info for buying that tool from you?
Since you're using a rubber hose, you should then have a filter at the end of it. I will probably do this and get a filter also.
I guess I can. I have that at home. Anyone can put in a filter.
You don't have to worry about pressure or over pressurizing a container while filling it. If that problem occurs it will occur later. It is very important to weigh your tanks to make sure they are not over 80% capacity. A condensable gas like propane can expand and contract with temperatures and this can actually change the amount of gas cushion in the tank. Gas is compressible but liquid is not. If you overfill a container on a cold day, then later on a hot summer day the liquid may expand until no gas cushion remains, then an event called hydrostatic pressure occurs. This will induce a force of thousands of pounds and will rupture the container.
Where do you buy the hose?
Good job man
how can contact you please send phone
AIR you mean propane vapor!!! GEEESS
Connect your line then turn upside down?
You should purge the hose of air before connecting the small bottle.
Hang tank upside down.
It isn't AIR, fool -- it's propane gas left that didn't escape when the tank boils the gas. Air CAN NOT get into the tank.
@@robertshorthill4153
Read it again FOOL. I didn't say tank, I said HOSE.
The hose has air in it that should be purged before connecting it to the small bottle.
@@originaLkomatoast - Bet he feels really stupid.
The other issue is whether or not the rubber hose is the type that releases rubber particles under pressure, and that will eventually clog up your Buddy Heater !!!
How much would you charge me to make that valve tool?
It's not a matter temporarily releasing some pressure (which goes right back up), it's a matter of not overfilling which is dangerous.
Dennis S Agreed. The tank is designed to hold 1 lb of propane fuel. The tank's weight should be monitored as it is being re-fueled so it does not get over-filled. Over-filling the tank with extra propane makes it dangerous to explosion. The liquid propane needs room in the tank to expand and contract due to temperature changes.
Kalvin Noble Without adequate room to expand, the liquid would rupture any tank.... but even before that would happen, the regulator would fail.
You're right it would. This is a safety feature with most propane tanks.
Nice
So I cant find a hose adapter like the one you have. All I can find is the small metal adapter that's like 2" long.
baja5000 email me. Email from the video. I sell them for $45 shipped.
Instead of having the can standing up, lay the 1lb can on its side and put the relief valve at 10 or 2 oclock. Now when propane comes out during filling stop and the can will be about 80% filled. Of course weighing it is always a good double check
That will work too.
You should use leather gloves, and be very careful that the Schrader valve doesn't get unscrewed all the way and blow out. You can actually get a small needle-nose plier and pull up on the Schrader valve pin to release the air without unscrewing it.
You mention removing or venting air, there should be NO air in the tank, only propane vapors. If there is air in there, you are in trouble...
While air in the tank would definitely be bad, I think by "air" he really meant "gas", as in propane gas.
George Mobley Propane under pressure liquefies at 177 pounds per square inch therefore when you relieve pressure Utah more propane and to gas it seems like a never ending duty to keep releasing pressure. I am going to guess that in the big tank and the 1 pound tank has a 177 pounds per square inch pressure I don’t know if it’s possible to change that😂
You mentioned in your video that you sell the hoses and valve bleeding tools . . . How??!!
I made a few and was selling them. I no longer sell them.
I like your method so far the best. But there is one thing you left out or i was unclear on. Why is relieving the second pressure valve stem necessary isn't it going to just let out propane into the air as you fill the small tank ? Because as i understand it, the second valve safety stem is if the propane tank builds up to much pressure for some ridiculous reason it will open to let out some propane gas so the tank doesn't become so pressurized it explodes. Normally this would never be an issue. But again if you didn't relieve the valve a little i would imagine you just not beable to fill your small tank up completely without some type of pump pushing more in???
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Propane Takes 177 psi Pressure to keep it liquefied. Since you do not have a compressor to compress the propane and the liquid itself remains under pressure and will keep it self liquefied as long as you keep it in closed. I don’t think it’s possible to pass the 177 pounds per square inch and less it was under extreme heat or you have a compressor to compress it into a small compartment
do they have places where you can get the 1 pound bottles filled..?
FiddleStick's bessette no. That I know of.
Please tell e where you got the 1 ft hose adapter
A hose is a huge waste of gas. Use a direct connect adapter and position the tank near edge of table, truck bed, steps, etc.
I'm glad you don't live next to me
Are the valves in tank the same as a tire valve?
No. I think they pull outward to release.
Sorry to tell you but once fluid is coming out in the vertical position as you had it it’s way overfilled. You don’t mention a scale at all and that’s the only way to actually put the correct amount of propane in this tank. You really shouldn’t mess with the valve at all because you don’t need to. Put the bottle in the freezer for an hour and it’ll fill the 1 pound without messing with the valve or anything. Messing with the valve introduces all sorts of additional risks that are unnecessary. The hose idea is nice but again that tank you filled is overfilled and you have no idea because you didn’t use a scale. Thanks for sharing.
How much $$?
How do u know there's a pound in it... And it don't look safe to me
The problem with doing this your way, is that you are not leaving enough "head/vapor" space, and raise the chance of getting liquid propane rather than propane gas at your propane burning device.
Bill Cochran yeah this dude doesn't know what the fuck he is doing..
Bill Cochran except when I have my tanks refilled little and large buy the local professionals this is exactly how they do it hmm
@daniel conrad: No, they don't. The bleed valve on a refillable container is on a dip-tube that is nowhere near where the relieve screw is. So, daniel, how about you learn something instead of guessing and spreading dangerous information like the creator of the video? You're welcome.
Bill, that's not the biggest problem. Without enough space for the LP to expand into a gas, the pressure will be too high. Gas will then leak into wherever this is being stored and create an explosion potential. This guy has NO BUSINESS telling people to do this dangerous refill and then call it "safe" on top of it. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
And selling a product to refill a non refillable tank easy law suit to win if someone gets hurt or worse dies. My advice is stop selling that hose before you end up in jail and broke kasam and sued you, Because this Richard guy knows what hes talking about this is very unsafe
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some link where you can buy the valve screwdriver
Can't find your extension kit anywhere
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Don't know where he gets the idea there is air in the tank, it propane gas
When the liquid propane gas leaves the tank there is air in the tank where the propane used to be.
If you think that hose is 1 foot long, you've got some issues
if you stand your 20lb straight up the rust grit and moisture will transfer to your 16oz . before you hook up your small tank ,purge your hose and valve with a sort blast of gas.
And how do u know that special tool wont spark?
Lorinda Star - this isn’t the right way to do the refilling in my opinion but don’t be under the impression that a spark makes the entire disposable tank blow up in your face because it doesn’t. There’s no oxygen in the tank itself so the only thing a spark would do at the valve is maybe have a small poof. The main concern is not over filling the tank and only putting 80% propane liquid in it. You have to do that with a scale which he doesn’t mention at all
@@condor5635 finally someone with an intelligent correct comment.
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There should no air in the tank. Tell me! how could air possibly get in the tank unless you put there.
Easy, idiot did not bleed air out of the refill hose. So when he started filling he forced a small amount of air in. Obviously not all your lights are on upstairs are they lol
lol you can hear it leaking out
It was leaking from the hose. You saw him release the remaining propane at the end from the hose by turning open the valve. Like a garden hose with a nozzle at the tip. If you close the nozzle at the end of the hose, there is still pressured water in the the hose. You turn off the water at the spigot ,then you release the water in the hose by opening the nozzle.
Why propane tank upsides down? If not liquid? Air gas? What’s going to happen? Safe?
No head space. Propane needs room for expansion. Never fill a propane bottle without proper room for expansion. Never fill a bottle past its rated value. Filling bottle and leaving no head space could cause the bottle to rupture and or explode when temperatures rise and the weather heats up.
Wrong, his tank and all my one pounders have a safety pressure relief valve that like the name implies, is a safety relief valve. Regardless best and safetss not to overfill relying on safety device and if it relives its pressure in an enclosed space like your car trunk risks explosion.
Though if your.. hmm.. smart you never store compressed Gas inside anything like your garage, house, trunk, back seat of a car.
@@airgliderz Okay, the same thing. You explained it your way and I explained it my way. Heat causes expansion which causes the valve to relieve psi if it reaches that point which is compressed gas which is flammable and can ignite. I use 1lb bottles too. I use a scale. I make sure my empty bottles have no psi and are empty. I weight the bottle, tare the scale and put no more than 1lb into the bottle. THIS IS FOR SAFETY. I would NEVER fill a bottle without leaving headspace (room for expansion). SAFETY FIRST.
You should NOT fill more than 80% !!!!!!!!!!!!
That whole thing didn't look safe to me
Where do i buy the hose ?
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When you go to a professional place to get them filled, the propane is kept pressurized so it's a liquid that is pumping into the container. When you try to do this yourself, as you let some flow into the second container there is less pressure in the system, this lets some of the liquid propane boil off into a gas. Then the gas is taking up part of the space in the container which is much less dense than liquid. So by venting it, your letting the less dense gas out and if you act fast enough, you hopefully get more liquid into it before it expands again and fills that space. So you're wasting a ton of product and will literally never be able to correctly refill this way. A (constantly) pressurized source tank is key to it working as intended. This is not only foolishly dangerous, but super wasteful. Every time to vent that container, you're just wasting money.
A short venting super cools the liquid which drops the pressure down immediately allowing more liquid in. Very little waste.
Safety Note: Wear real gloves. The guy in the video is wearing latex gloves which will offer almost no protection from the extremely cold LP vapor.
This looks safest way to refill. Making use of this pressure relief valve as probably designed. Is there a law which states that an untrained person cannot refill this way?
When propane meets air it turns to vapor, not air.
He did not close the main tank
where do you find that hose? thanks
You can modify a old bbq hose connection that goes to the tank. All you need is the fitting to fit the small bottle.
Use this special tool.... That you can't buy...
You are OVER FILLING THAT TANK! You don't know what you are doing!
When u see LPG than u let some out. So it is never overfilled.
I don’t need my 1 pound tank to be 100% full. In fact, I’m ok with less as a safety buffer.
I fill mine horizontal and it puts back exactly what was in when new 880 grams😀
The biggest mistake with this video is that you ignored the important issue of Weight .... You should have weighed the tank before filling, and then add only 1lb. of gas by weight ... I believe that you have overfilled the 1lb. Tank ...
Do not refill disposable 1lb propane cylinders! Go on amazon and buy the special refillable 1lb cylinders.
They are called Flame King. On the back of the Coleman cylinder #5 says its illegal to refill & transport with a warning of a $5000,000 fine & 5 years in jail. UA-cam has a video about this: Stop! Never refill 1 lb propane bottles.
@@jimdopkus2139 It's not illegal to refill. It is illegal to transport refilled bottles.
@@percyfaith11 Read # 4 on the back of bottle. If somebody takes a refilled one lb propane bottle camping I am assuming thats called transporting. Any lawyer worth their salt could make a case of that if there was an explosion resulting in an injury.
@@jimdopkus2139Plenty of people use those refill bottles just around their own home for heating or soldering or any of the other uses of propane.
Flame king makes a kit that is so easy to use and legal too. It is illegal to refill the wall mart special green bottles if you read the warning! There is no proper bleed valve on most of these bottles and that is the key to getting a full fill in just seconds.
Soo munch info out there, on this subject. Wasting so much lp on lp by venting. Pressure differential by temperature is the best way. No waste, no Messing with safely valves. But you must weigh tank to be sure not over filled. If you can't figure out how to do this, you shouldn't be doing it at all.
You OVER FILLED IT!! Wait until the sun heats it up.... ka BOOM!
Mooselippz
Yes sir
You are totally correct.
80% full is the maximum.
Expansion for sunlight exposure is critical.
Mooselippz he did not over fill it smh these tanks are supposed to be filled to 80- 85% you only need 15-20% head space Room the store these are only filled 40-50% max to make you run out faster so you buy more often just like when you exchange a bigger tank vs getting it filled
@@dannyboy5064 store bought only filled 40 to 50% that's absolutely false
Please, good people, do NOT mess with those needle relief valves to vent gas. They can leak and may if messed with. Those green tanks are not designed to be refilled. DOT says the walls are too thin to be refilled. I think it's so they can be thrown away so one has to buy new ones at 5, 6, or more bucks each. They can be refilled if one doesn't go over 70 or 75 % of full. A full tank should weigh less than 28 or 29 ounces. The store ones weigh 1 pound 14.4 ounces, so you know they can stand a full 16. And the DOT has made it illegal to fill them and carry them off your property. Yeah, bureaucracy at its best. So, all you outlaws out there, just switch on your brain and BE FRIGGIN' CAREFUL with this stuff -- it can blow you up and burn your house down.
You should be using a scale. If the bottle is full, you are creating a dangerous condition. Those "non-refillable" bottles are not designed to hold over a pound of liquid propane.
That is what releasing the valve do. To decrease the fill.
If you over fill those little tanks like this guy did you can't use them on the small gas grills. those tanks lay on there side.
It will allow liquid propane into the regulator.
Not good. The relief valve on the small tank is set with spring tension for a certain PSI. He just changed that and to what who knows.
Be careful, this way is dangerous. He overfilled the bottle, which leaves no room for expansion, so it can blow up if it gets hot!
There's a high pressure relief valve that will open if pressures get to high. They're on every bottle.
@@drdoutdoors1603 Yeah, but if it starts venting that's an explosion risk also by messing with that valve you change the opening pressure the factory sets it at.
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This is not air 😂 just freeze your 1 pound and you will have no problem to fill up... Air you kidding ?
The most dangerous thing about this is going on UA-cam and pretending you know what you are doing and clearly don't. There is not any "air" in a propane tank, if you think that, please explain how it got in there.