Wow, I didn't know the filter remains pressurized with propane after it's removed. Nobody has ever mentioned that. Thank you for posting about it. I'll be sure to bleed it out for times it's not being used.
The 1# bottles can only receive a full charge if they are vertical and the bleeder valve is used to drop the pressure in the 1# bottle a little to allow the pressure in the large tank to force liquid propane into the small tank. If you don't then the pressure in both tanks will equalize and no more propane will move. Chilling the small tank doesn't do diddly.
That was an interesting comment about the quality/purity of propane from various sources. I hope some folks can comment on that. From what I've seen about using that filter is that Mr. Heater recommends using it when using a non-Mr. Heater hose or probably when using an older hose as I see this video is from 2014 and it is now 2021. The problem with the old hoses is that they were made with plasticizers (oils) that can leach out under high pressure and get into the internals of the Mr. Heater heater and gum things up. Now, Mr. Heater has some hoses made without the plasticizers so they say you don't need the filter. But, if what you say about the purity of the propane differing from various sources then you may be right to continue using a filter. Does anyone know about the purity of propane?
I have trouble getting the bottles to re-seat when I do that, and then lose the propane while they sit. I have a ton of green bottles, so if I get them 75% I am pretty happy.
47burgleflickle - it's not air it is propane gas. Messing with the over pressurization valve is a bad idea and not required. I chill my bottles and get to the 80% level required all the time without purging. It is that valve that you don't want to leak so messing with it introduces all sorts of additional risks for no benefit
@@david_sdiego - that’s great I get a full one without messing with it. Full store bought is more like 918 grams - bottle is 453g and contents are 465g. Always better to underfill though obviously
I also carefully take a pair of needle nose pliers and bleed the 1 lb. tank of all excess gas. I do this outside as well with gloves on. It helps get you get a few more ounces when refilling. Great Video !!!
@@jerrygibbons7666 you’re bleeding the excess AIR, not propane. When the 1 lb bottles run dry there is still some residual air left inside. So you bleed that air out to lower pressure/resistance when filling them back up.
ANOTHER - NOT so "smart" idea to phque around with the over-pressure SAFETY VALVE.... Burping the one pound tanks helps to get a full 16 ounce fill via depressing the top center valve is OK, but, only really UN-SMART "people" dick around with a safety feature... Scheeese....
also depends how full your big tank is when filling your small tank. You can also bleed the small tank by using something in the center of the small tank to bleed the air. The valve on the side of the small tank tend to cause it to leak in time.
I just saw another video and the guy pulled the tank off 3 times and purged it with an allen wrench in the top to bleed off some pressure, he got more than 16oz in a tank
So I went ahead and tried this, I followed all steps and nothing. The 1lb canister is not filling, even after I open the valve and turn it upside down I don't hear any gas passing through(insert joke here). Any ideas anyone?
+Vassni Garcia Every once in a while I get a cylinder like that. I just move on and try another. There is a relief valve you can pull with a needle nose pliers to aid in the filling of the unit.
Great question. I am not actually sure how to tell when it is no longer usable. Maybe when the flow rate really drops? So far it is working fine. If you have one of those devices that drops the pressure of the gas right off the tank (you have seen them, they look sort of like a disc) you don't need the filter. The purpose of the filter is to filter out oil forced from the hose that is under high pressure (learned this after making the video). You may not even need the filter straight from the tank, since there is no hose.
Have you ever tried zeroing your scale with the bottle on it empty. That way when you are done, there is less math. Or does your scale reset before it can refill?
Confused about the filter, when it is needed and when it is not needed. Other reviews state that when you are using a short hose under 5' you need the filter due to the rubber giving off oil. Anybody have an opinion they would like to share?
Wouldn't you need to push in on the 1lb. container's relief valve, so that air can escape and be replaced by the liquid propane. The relief valve on the 1lb. bottles, is at the top crown of the bottle and I believe that it works like a tire fill valve, by pushing in on the tab, air ( and some gas ) will escape. This is essentially what is done when you get the 20lb. tank filled at the propane station. There is not a vacuum in the bottle, so air needs to be evacuated as the bottle fills.
You are in theory correct. That valve is not as easy as you think to pull. For the extra little bit of gas you fill, I don't feel it is worth the effort.
I usually get about 13 ounces, which I feel is pretty good. Not sure it is worth the effort for the extra three ounces. Although I hardly use the green bottles any more and have switched to using an adapter from the 20 pound tank to what ever I am using.
It is a pressure relief valve, you don't push it in, excess pressure pushes the valve open. Releasing pressure several times during the refilling will allow the full, or nearly full, pound of propane to fill the small tank. This can be done with needle nose pliers. The pressure relief valve should point nearly straight up to allow the liquid propane to force out most of the air. If you're as nervous as you seem, just buy new canisters.
I bought an adapter of e.... Bay and I put the empty tank and nothing can any one help me out if I but the adaptor and open the valve nothing comes out???
+Fernbark Frist I had just filled my tank when you put the adapter and open the valve do you hear or see anything coming out like gas propane? when I put my adaptor and open the valve on my tank nothing.. thanks for your time ..
You can get a full charge by burping the small bottles with a punch or drill bit for 4-5 seconds. do it with the bottle upright, depress the valve inside the threaded nipple, then fill again with the large tank. DO THIS OUTSIDE WITH NO IGNITION SOURCES NEARBY🔥, DO NOT MESS WITH THE VALVE ON THE BOTTLE ITSELF, it's a safety blow off valve that works opposite of the main valve. only do it 2 times, and weigh the bottle. it should be between 15-16 oz net, if its a little over, bleed it down with your punch. I use these 1lb bottles with a big buddy propane furnace, and it's nice to get a full bottle run without having to get out of a nice warm sleeping bag :o)
+Fernbark Frist HI there , if you want to put one pound of propane in that green can ... the only way to do it is ... when you refill that one pound can wait until you stop hearing that refilling sound don't close the big tank keep it open , then get a needle nose plyers and pull up that small valve on the top of the small green propane can , you will hear the air coming out of it and that's not propane it's just air then when you see white liquid start coming out .. that's the propane and that's when you need to stop pulling the the valve and stop the refilling , try it next time and let me know the result
I had thought about that, but that little button is super hard to depress, and I didn't want to break it. Plus, there isn't any air in the tank, just propane, so what would I be letting out???
@@FernbarkFrist There's always air... propane evaporates at a constant rate--- regardless how much you have in the tank. This is why you're putting the big tank upside down.... so that the air is at the top when filling the small tank. The produced compressed air is exactly what your grill or mr heater is burning. There's several videos that talk about bleeding the air out --- until you just see the white mist (which is propane coming out). BY THE WAY --- the pressure release valve is set to release when you pull on it. It's the opposite of how you think it is. You don't depress it. A pair of small hemistats to gently pull on the rod will allow the pressure valve to open. Just a little is all it takes. You can definitely get to the 1 lb and even more.... though the tanks are only rated for the 1 lb. If by change you here the hissing (leak) of either the main entry to the small tank or the pressure release valve, you an reseat it on your own with a small screwdriver or ice pick for then main.... and the hemistats with the pressure release valve.... the small hemistats you can find at any walmart --- in the fishing section... $4. Just remember that if you choose to bleed while you're filling... have the valve in the upper section so that you're bleeding off extra AIR (gas). instead of liquid form propane. most recommend about the 10 oclock position for good 80 to 90% fill (safer this way).
@@stvcolwill can you tell me why I can't get any liquid or gas to move to the 1lb cylinder? I have the brass fitting and have probably tried on 5 different tanks over a 10 year period and none have worked. Is it because of the "new" valve?
@@funkingitup1805 - do you know what you’re talking about? Doesn’t matter what the thread direction is you can use a crescent wrench either way. I assume you think this is the same for using open end wrench is as well?
Wow, I didn't know the filter remains pressurized with propane after it's removed. Nobody has ever mentioned that. Thank you for posting about it. I'll be sure to bleed it out for times it's not being used.
Finally a video that explains why you put the small bottle in the freezer. Thanks
The 1# bottles can only receive a full charge if they are vertical and the bleeder valve is used to drop the pressure in the 1# bottle a little to allow the pressure in the large tank to force liquid propane into the small tank. If you don't then the pressure in both tanks will equalize and no more propane will move.
Chilling the small tank doesn't do diddly.
That was an interesting comment about the quality/purity of propane from various sources. I hope some folks can comment on that. From what I've seen about using that filter is that Mr. Heater recommends using it when using a non-Mr. Heater hose or probably when using an older hose as I see this video is from 2014 and it is now 2021. The problem with the old hoses is that they were made with plasticizers (oils) that can leach out under high pressure and get into the internals of the Mr. Heater heater and gum things up. Now, Mr. Heater has some hoses made without the plasticizers so they say you don't need the filter. But, if what you say about the purity of the propane differing from various sources then you may be right to continue using a filter. Does anyone know about the purity of propane?
Good tip about filtering gas for use in heaters.
I love videos where the dog is walking around in the background.
Me too! I was super lucky as this is not even my dog.
I never saw you purge the air before filling, and repeat when half full. You'll be able to fill them near perfect every time.
I have trouble getting the bottles to re-seat when I do that, and then lose the propane while they sit. I have a ton of green bottles, so if I get them 75% I am pretty happy.
47burgleflickle - it's not air it is propane gas. Messing with the over pressurization valve is a bad idea and not required. I chill my bottles and get to the 80% level required all the time without purging. It is that valve that you don't want to leak so messing with it introduces all sorts of additional risks for no benefit
@@condor5635 I've been using curved forceps on the pressure relief valve with no problems. Gets it to the perfect 830 grams (full).
@@david_sdiego - that’s great I get a full one without messing with it. Full store bought is more like 918 grams - bottle is 453g and contents are 465g. Always better to underfill though obviously
I also carefully take a pair of needle nose pliers and bleed the 1 lb. tank of all excess gas. I do this outside as well with gloves on. It helps get you get a few more ounces when refilling. Great Video !!!
That is a great tip. I am surprised no one mentioned it before.
Thanks for the tip.
Why would you bleed a 16 oz can to refill it? Seems to me you are wasting the propane which is left over in the 16 oz tank.
@@jerrygibbons7666 you’re bleeding the excess AIR, not propane. When the 1 lb bottles run dry there is still some residual air left inside. So you bleed that air out to lower pressure/resistance when filling them back up.
ANOTHER - NOT so "smart" idea to phque around with the over-pressure SAFETY VALVE.... Burping the one pound tanks helps to get a full 16 ounce fill via depressing the top center valve is OK, but, only really UN-SMART "people" dick around with a safety feature... Scheeese....
also depends how full your big tank is when filling your small tank. You can also bleed the small tank by using something in the center of the small tank to bleed the air. The valve on the side of the small tank tend to cause it to leak in time.
I had to ditch a few bottles from a leaky stem. I don't mess with it any more.
I know you can use a 20 pound bottle to fill the 1 pounders, but can you use a 30 or 40 pound upside down bottle to fill them also?
I don't know. I would hate to give you bad information.
Nice…like filling nitrous oxide bottles.. always freeze them first to create a greater pressure difference
I just saw another video and the guy pulled the tank off 3 times and purged it with an allen wrench in the top to bleed off some pressure, he got more than 16oz in a tank
Cool
That is an Old style tank, they don't use this valve any more, nice if you would update video. 2014 now 11/10/2020.
The procedure is the still the same.
interesting. i bought the adapter. haven't refilled any yet. interesting about the propane filter for catalytic heaters. 1st i've heard of this. thx
Fantastic video! Thank you 🙏
Thanks for recommending the gloves.
That cold gas is not fun on the flesh.
So I went ahead and tried this, I followed all steps and nothing. The 1lb canister is not filling, even after I open the valve and turn it upside down I don't hear any gas passing through(insert joke here). Any ideas anyone?
+Vassni Garcia Every once in a while I get a cylinder like that. I just move on and try another. There is a relief valve you can pull with a needle nose pliers to aid in the filling of the unit.
Yo what happens if I just use the filter that all I got ice fishing season gotta refill my smaller tanks
You can use the filter, just make sure you screw the filter to the heater and the propane hose to the filter.
Rather than freeze the bottles, I warm the big tank to 85 degrees
with a 50 watt heat wrap. This yields much more usable LP.
How has the filter been holding up ? I just bought a refill adapter and would like to filter my bulk propane for use in my buddy heater.
Great question. I am not actually sure how to tell when it is no longer usable. Maybe when the flow rate really drops? So far it is working fine. If you have one of those devices that drops the pressure of the gas right off the tank (you have seen them, they look sort of like a disc) you don't need the filter. The purpose of the filter is to filter out oil forced from the hose that is under high pressure (learned this after making the video). You may not even need the filter straight from the tank, since there is no hose.
Fernbark Frist
Thanks, I ordered the filter last week along with a 5ft hose. I've been using the refill adapter and haven't noticed any issues.
Fernbark Frist e
Have you ever tried zeroing your scale with the bottle on it empty. That way when you are done, there is less math. Or does your scale reset before it can refill?
The scale resets before I can get the bottle filled.
I noticed you don't like to hang out near when it's being filled up
This is an early video of mine. I am probably just being camera shy. I am not worried about any danger.
Thanks for the educational video.
Your are quite welcome
they are supposed to hold 1 lb.....????
Yes
Confused about the filter, when it is needed and when it is not needed. Other reviews state that when you are using a short hose under 5' you need the filter due to the rubber giving off oil.
Anybody have an opinion they would like to share?
I use a filter if it is going to a catalytic heater. Other wise I don't use a filter.
If the hose doesn't specifically state like Mr. Heater hoses chances are they bleed oil. Low-pressure hoses with a regulator do not present a problem.
There is nothing to filter out of the 20lb tank..
If it goes unregulated thru a hose there is. IF it is regulated down to 11lbs ( I think) then there is no problem. The contaminants are from the hose.
Were can I buy this and the accessories?
Amazon or Mr. Heater
DOZYANT valve at ebay or harbor freight
Wouldn't you need to push in on the 1lb. container's relief valve, so that air can escape and be replaced by the liquid propane. The relief valve on the 1lb. bottles, is at the top crown of the bottle and I believe that it works like a tire fill valve, by pushing in on the tab, air ( and some gas ) will escape. This is essentially what is done when you get the 20lb. tank filled at the propane station. There is not a vacuum in the bottle, so air needs to be evacuated as the bottle fills.
You are in theory correct. That valve is not as easy as you think to pull. For the extra little bit of gas you fill, I don't feel it is worth the effort.
I usually get about 13 ounces, which I feel is pretty good. Not sure it is worth the effort for the extra three ounces. Although I hardly use the green bottles any more and have switched to using an adapter from the 20 pound tank to what ever I am using.
It is a pressure relief valve, you don't push it in, excess pressure pushes the valve open. Releasing pressure several times during the refilling will allow the full, or nearly full, pound of propane to fill the small tank. This can be done with needle nose pliers. The pressure relief valve should point nearly straight up to allow the liquid propane to force out most of the air. If you're as nervous as you seem, just buy new canisters.
I bought an adapter of e.... Bay and I put the empty tank and nothing can any one help me out if I but the adaptor and open the valve nothing comes out???
+Rod l the only thing I can think of is maybe the source cylinder is not full enough to provide enough pressure to fill. Otherwise, I don't know
+Fernbark Frist I had just filled my tank when you put the adapter and open the valve do you hear or see anything coming out like gas propane? when I put my adaptor and open the valve on my tank nothing.. thanks for your time ..
Nothing should come out unless it is connected to the bottle you want to fill.
+Fernbark Frist ok thanks I tought it should come out when I put the adaptor and open the valve ... thanks I'll try again then
You can get a full charge by burping the small bottles with a punch or drill bit for 4-5 seconds. do it with the bottle upright, depress the valve inside the threaded nipple, then fill again with the large tank. DO THIS OUTSIDE WITH NO IGNITION SOURCES NEARBY🔥, DO NOT MESS WITH THE VALVE ON THE BOTTLE ITSELF, it's a safety blow off valve that works opposite of the main valve. only do it 2 times, and weigh the bottle. it should be between 15-16 oz net, if its a little over, bleed it down with your punch.
I use these 1lb bottles with a big buddy propane furnace, and it's nice to get a full bottle run without having to get out of a nice warm sleeping bag :o)
Most of my tanks I get pretty full with out extra work. If I get 13oz in, that is fine for me. But some may want it really full.
wonder who RW is??
+Todd Lalonde RW is TV and film star Robert Wagner... maybe.
+Fernbark Frist HI there , if you want to put one pound of propane in that green can ... the only way to do it is ... when you refill that one pound can wait until you stop hearing that refilling sound don't close the big tank keep it open , then get a needle nose plyers and pull up that small valve on the top of the small green propane can , you will hear the air coming out of it and that's not propane it's just air then when you see white liquid start coming out .. that's the propane and that's when you need to stop pulling the the valve and stop the refilling , try it next time and let me know the result
If you purge the bottle before filling you will fill it much more.
I am surprised someone hasn't mentioned this before. Thanks for the tip.
Making me watch a damn Bloomberg ad?
Sorry, I have no control over what they play.
maybe depressing the air valve on the smaller tank would let the air out and more propane in.
I had thought about that, but that little button is super hard to depress, and I didn't want to break it. Plus, there isn't any air in the tank, just propane, so what would I be letting out???
They say the thanks aren't totally full so it will let air out.
Fernbark Frist i just found out that you pull that valve not push.
@@FernbarkFrist There's always air... propane evaporates at a constant rate--- regardless how much you have in the tank. This is why you're putting the big tank upside down.... so that the air is at the top when filling the small tank. The produced compressed air is exactly what your grill or mr heater is burning. There's several videos that talk about bleeding the air out --- until you just see the white mist (which is propane coming out). BY THE WAY --- the pressure release valve is set to release when you pull on it. It's the opposite of how you think it is. You don't depress it. A pair of small hemistats to gently pull on the rod will allow the pressure valve to open. Just a little is all it takes. You can definitely get to the 1 lb and even more.... though the tanks are only rated for the 1 lb. If by change you here the hissing (leak) of either the main entry to the small tank or the pressure release valve, you an reseat it on your own with a small screwdriver or ice pick for then main.... and the hemistats with the pressure release valve.... the small hemistats you can find at any walmart --- in the fishing section... $4.
Just remember that if you choose to bleed while you're filling... have the valve in the upper section so that you're bleeding off extra AIR (gas). instead of liquid form propane. most recommend about the 10 oclock position for good 80 to 90% fill (safer this way).
@@stvcolwill can you tell me why I can't get any liquid or gas to move to the 1lb cylinder? I have the brass fitting and have probably tried on 5 different tanks over a 10 year period and none have worked. Is it because of the "new" valve?
escaping gas gets you every time. kind of like a glaucoma test. (poof!).
Crescent wrench was used backwards.
Explosive gases are reverse threads.
@@RuelWasHere You misunderstand. The wrench is supposed to face the other direction when turning counter clockwise for the reverse threads.
@@funkingitup1805 - do you know what you’re talking about? Doesn’t matter what the thread direction is you can use a crescent wrench either way. I assume you think this is the same for using open end wrench is as well?
ebay has them cheap
Tripods people. Why is it so difficult for yall to figure out how to mount your damn phone?
rusty gray It was on a tripod. Also, not filmed with a phone.
Not sure. I might if the thread pattern is the same. You would most likely not be able to tip the tank over though.