@@thrillhouse4151 yes the dream of every human moving to space so that the earth would no longer suffer surely was a boat that many people wished to ride on
The appeal of CCA to me - aside from the animation and my general affection for this period of the franchise - is that it takes two characters who have in many ways defined eachother's existence, with many similar excellent qualities as people, who've both fought eachother and along side one another, have achieved literal supernatural understanding of one another's mindset and character, and fundamentally agree on so much about the nature of the world... yet even with all that they're like "fuck this guy".
In case anyone is curious, the Titans just kinda grabbed a lot of Federation stuff and had no issue wrecking it, so the state is pretty much broke by Char's Counterattack. Char knows this, and he knows the Federation isn't really in a position to stop the space colonies from doing whatever they want now, so his entire plan here is just a flimsy attempt to get the Zeon Zum Deikun fanboy funding for his plan to fight Amuro. So basically, Char is so used to getting by on charm and talent that he never actually grew up, and became the kind of person who goes, "give me the middle lane or I feed," only with weapons of master destruction.
Casvall has always been manipulative, he effectively MADE Zeon depend on him so he could enact his revenge on the Zabi family for killing his dad! That sort of shit does tend to be difficult to get over, though, I can't imagine why... Although, I did always find it strange he bears such little ill will towards Mineva Zabi... Plus the loss of Lala...
Yeah to be honest I feel he should have had the same Ill will toward Garma with the amount he gave to Mineva. Mostly because the Older members would have been involved with his father's Assassination making Garma a perfect Puppet to take over what was his father's.
@@CD-GamingLiterally every single Zabi was complicit in his fathers death except maybe Garma, who was completely indoctrinated by Hitler 2 Electric Boogaloo by that point. Garma would have become a massive pain in his side as he tried to pick off the rest of the family. Like sure the line is "blame this on the misfortune if your birth." but thats char taunting because hes the worst. Mineva was a literal baby, and Char is not petty enough to hold a grudge against a literal baby. Its also very much canon that Char cant stop picking up random people in need. Lalah, Mineva, Kamille, Katz, heck even Amuro in Zeta gets a pep talk. Char until he gets to CCA wants to make the world better. He wants to be a good or better person and everytime he tries he screws it up and everyone he loves dies or sufferes a worse fate so he decides to stop trying and just do the most radical thing he can think off. In short. Most of Char's characterization in Zeta and in 0079 shows him as a total piece of shit who doesn't want to be. A broken husk of a man who by the time you get to Char's Counter Attack is so desperate for love that his last words are crying for someone who he thought might always love him. He's pathetic, and tragic, and if you look at him through this lens, a manchild, you start to get why he teases Amuro and lets him know whats hes doing.
@@mudawott A lesser person would have been broken by the shit he went through, there's no doubt, though he obviously didn't come out of it all COMPLETELY unscathed, he wouldn't have been human if he did and he probably wouldn't have been anywhere near as impactful a character, either to the point we're STILL talking about him over 40 years since his debut! Not to mention the so-called "Char Clones", blonde-haired masked ace pilots!
@@CD-Gaming Yeah. I was mainly just wanting to explain why he doesnt just not mind Mineva, but actively cares about her. Char is a broken man by CCA. Like you can tell he doesnt even plan to make it through this alive. He really only cares about two things anymore. Revenge on earth federation, and making sure amuro doesnt stop him before he can.
Quattro is almost like Casvals real personality that he’s suppressed for years while being Char. Then final he makes a new identity after being a narcissistic Char for years and finally balanced the scale to the other side of himself being what his father stood for and the Daikun name
That balloon thing happened in real life an army used them to confuse drones and aerial surveillance leaving large balloons shaped like tanks while they retreated
Glad to see this back. Now to salvage my old comment. Honestly, the most interesting thing to come out of CCA was how that story was adapted in the Super Robot Wars games, where they mostly try to fix most parts of the narrative that most of the fans can't stand like Char's motivation for why he did his heel turn, Amuro not bothering to wonder WHY Char would do this or the whole reenactment of the Lalah Suun incident with Quess, Gyunei and Hathaway. Personally speaking though, I just got the feeling that Char was just burnt out by the time of the movie. The dude was just plain sick of seeing the Federation being more blatant with their fascist bullcrap, from them being the catalyst for the Zabis to create Zeon, what happens in Stardust Memories (no spoilers), creating the Titans which resulted in Kamile....yeah. And their monstrous apathy to Haman's colony drop in ZZ along with Amuro still having his head shoved up his ass about working with the Feds even after everything I just said. Now I know that in the movie Char gives some reasons why during his big speech and with his alone time with Nanai where he just seems to be burnt out and wanting this whole song and dance to end but still it seems to be implied. Also the ending is the biggest pile of Bullshit ever. Speaking of SRW as cool as the Sazabi and Nu Gundam are, the Nightingale and Hi-Nu Gundam top them in my opinion.
It's also rather jarring how the plot relies on a bunch of people going "sure, let's give this guy another asteroid, what could go wrong?" Anyone with an inkling of Char's plan should be trying to kill him, including his allies. No one seems to understand that actions have consequences apart from the ones they want.
The use of inflatable decoys is actually a tactic that dates all the way back to WWII, being used to trick airplane photography since it's hard to tell the difference with the quality of cameras at the time at the altitude that they took them. It absolutely makes a lot of sense in this setting as well for the same reasons, space is so big and you can get sightlines from so far that it'd be hard to tell if they were fake ships unless you got real close to em.
So glad this is back. I’d seen CCA after watching the Gundam trilogy and loved it. It helped me to see how Gundam really is the Japanese equivalent of Star Wars. I mean I believed it since I’d seen 2 giant Gundams there and loved wing as a kid. But this in light of MSG and Zeta and thinking back on how Japan has grown it made sense. I never did see ZZ but once I finish that I plan to rewatch this with new eyes. The Sazabi and Nu Gundam are incredible!
Nice job on the whole video, thanks for putting on all the extra work to get this back out to us. as a UA-camr of myself I understand the struggle of having to work around a lot of the issues you mentioned in this video at the beginning. 🤘😎
Aww it’s good man, it’s nostalgia. That’s our whole community! Lol. But I have mixed feelings about Char’s CA bc I really wanted Char to get it right. I think it MAY be bc Zechs/Milliardo was my intro to the archetype and his ending was happier.
It's funny, I was gonna rewatch this exact video today too but the yt algorithm had other plans... I'm glad to see it up again ❤ By the way, the light hitting your glasses kept reminding me of Gurren Lagann, all of them spirituals going around and around like the Spiral King!
I'm glad you re uploaded this. Watching your perspective on a franchise I fell in love with so long ago has been a real delight. I didn't see this originally, and despite it being an old work of yours, it's still really good. This was in fact the first Gundam anything I ever watched. From a rented tape from a Japanese video store in San Diego that we copied using 2 VCR's...1989 I believe. The drama between the characters, much of it hinted at because we hadn't seen other Gundam work, drew me in. Even now it's one of my favorite movies ever, even though ad I got older, I could see the flaws in the movie much more clearly. I think Tomino has a serious problem with intellectuals and philosophical cults of personality, and Amuro literally dumps this on you during their man to man duel. Quess is admittedly a bad character, but I think Tomino at the time didn't want to give up on presenting the deluded follower...a very much realistic, of not very likeable type of character. Zeta gave us 2, in Reccoa and Sarah, and Quess fills the role here. What is puzzling is what Lalah's spirit sees in him. Probably seeing the nobility of his goals rather than the means. Lalah was very much the opposite of Nanai and Quess in that Chars was devoted to her rather than the other way around. Lalah remains the follower done right...not deluded...but definitely devoted.
I hate Quess. Thanks for the re-upload, I wasn't able to watch the original. Huh, maybe I should watch the sub. Although I watched Zeta dubbed and still loved it so I guess I have a high tolerance for dubs.
@@Retcon404 Have you ever watched the dub for the MSG compilation movie trilogy? It's hilariously bad, especially the first movie, though part of that is also due to the script, they add a bunch of cheesy one-liners that DO NOT fit in Gundam.
Just watch CCA this morning. Finally fulfills my desire to have watched it after I saw the really cool commercial late night when I was in like third grade on Toonami. At that point I only seen bits and pieces of wing, was in progress of watching G Gundam on Toonami, and was playing Gundam battle Assault 2 on PlayStation 1. I remember thinking the commercial it was so cool this dude is going to drop an asteroid on Earth. And I always loved playing as the Sazabi on Battle Assault 2. Full Circle completed. My conclusion after having watched all of the universal Century stuff now where Char played a part, is that he is just as a weird guy as I thought he was. He should have stayed as Quattro vagina because that was my favorite favorite version of him.
Nice! This was already taken down before I found your channel, so I've been really wanting to watch this. Thanks for reuploading and sticking it to the man.
I love how they're in space, they have cities in space, they have giant robots in space, they're able to do wireless communication between robots in space, meanwhile they still have telephones with cords. I was taken aback I think when I saw Char's origin at one point A guy uses a cell phone if I remember correctly.
"I'm not sure how to feel about her [Quess'] character..." Well, the theater *I* was in cheered when she finally ate it back two years ago, so I think that sums it up for me.
I started watching the channel after the original video was delisted so I am so happy to see this. CCA was the first gundam anything I ever say, and it made a very strong impression. I liked that even without having seen any of the shows I was still able to follow the plot easily. Even after seeing everything leading up to the movie, still feels like Char doesn't care about the environment anymore and is just looking for one final duel with Amuro. Can't wait to see more of your reviews, and hopefully this one doesn't get yanked by Sunrise.
So glad to see this back up since I hadn't found youyr channel yet the first time around. I think Char's Counter Attack was the second thing I watched related to the UC and I wish I could remember my initial thoughts on it better. I know I was still much more of a Gundam Wing fanboy during that time, so while the action was great, I didn't remember the movie super fondly. It wasn't until I was doing my complete Gundam runthru about 6 or 7 years ago that I really found an appreciation for it. I do hope we'll get an Outlaw Star video, that was another one of my favorite things while I was growing up and watching Toonami. I haven't rewatched that outside of the Cartoon Network reruns.
This makes me remember when UA-cam screwed you over on the F80 video & you re-uploaded it.... what? Three times. I watched & liked everyone. Just like this one. BTW, liking the new hairstyle🎉
Ive been so curious about this video. I must have found your channel right after it was delisted since I could never find it and thought "weird, did they skip CCA and plans to return to it later???". Glad to see it!
I hope since you covered Macross you will cover the Movie Do you remember love. Its basically a retelling of the orginal but its so well done and the amimation is godlike espesically for 1985
Char's Coutnerattack is a good movie overall. The animation is gorgeous, the character are beutiful, the mobile suit designs are also gorgeous. Yes, the dub is hilarious at times.
TBF to Char he is basically just using Quess to use her as a Weapon and not you know, Still desturbing of course but not in the way thats normally said, Char is still Grooming Quess but as basically a Child Soldier.
There's a reason why Char, the anime villain, has been loved for so many years, he's not just a cool and strong rival. He has a pathetic inner conflict that he wants to hide behind that mask, he regrets and cries, he makes mistakes, he's not perfect enough to play the role of the human Newtype his father showed him to be, but he keeps trying to be strong and good. It's impossible not to love him.
Going through the U.C. universe for the first time in release order, just started 08th team. I watched Char’s Counterattack for the first time about a month ago. I can’t believe they killed off the godfathers of Gundam, Amuro and Char, that way. It seemed so anticlimactic. I actually didn’t even realize they died or disappeared or whatever, at first. I had to rewind and watch the scene again, and was still confused. I’ll miss the Char from Zeta, he was so cool.
Oh so much this. The RE-GZ and Jegan are my two favorite mass produced models but they can keep'em if it means we get Quattro development and not a regression into a stupider version of Char.
The guy left his sister alone in the darkest moment of her life, groomed Lalah because he needed "emotional support" (also because he wanted to make a weapon), lied to Garma for years mantaining a fake friendship that had only the purpose of killing him for a pitty vendetta that Garma himself was not even involved, ran away from his responsabilities with Axis and left Haman to do what she wishes, let Kamille suffer despite the fact that Amuro warned him multiple times that something bad would happen, didn't came back to check on Kamille after an irreversible damage that was his fault, didn't came back to try to stop Haman also. Char is not a guy by any metric.
One part that really confused me about this movie is the time skip between the last time we see char in zeta and the next time we see him legit doing a major heel turn. Like what happened in between ? He just laid low through all of zz and just fucked off for 6 years then came back out of nowhere ? With a huge force mind you.
This morning … I really wanted to watch one of your videos and I open UA-cam and boom. The dopamine coming in strong. Thankyou. One day I’ll have to be a member when it’s feasible :)
@Retcon_404 thank for all your informative Mecha and anime videos, keep working hard man, I love all the details and fun facts u sprinkle throughout your content, it helps me appreciate everything that much more
I honestly really dislike Quess, if you removed her completely and just gave Hathaway different reasons for his arc they could've put more emphasis on Char's and Amuro's rivalry which is really more what I came for. The movie feels like it has a few too many characters in it.
Quess was absolutely the worst Gundam character I’ve ever had to deal with not just in the UC but across all the continuities I Don’t think there’s a character as shitty as she is. Just an absolute waste of time to even have her in the story, which she played an irrelevant part of as you said, the story would’ve not only been fine but better without her.
I'd like to briefly defend Char in this instance even though I think this movie damaged his character so much that he feels like a different person entirely. Like you say he's definitely manipulative, but I don't think in the manner suggested here. I think for example that him sleazing with Nanai and Quess is basically trying to get them both to fight harder for him. He tells Gyunei that he doesn't love either of them. He just wants Neo Zeon to win. But when Quess tries to get with him, he sees how much effort she puts into being an MS pilot and how her newtype powers develop as a result, so he sort of encourages it. At the end I think that's made more clear when he doesn't mourn her death, instead going on about how his love was always Lalah. Not only that, but he wanted to basically have someone that would genuinely treat him like family. The one good thing that they did with his character was making him pretty much refuse to kill Amuro. He could've chased down he ReGZ at the start and probably destroyed it pretty handily, it's probably one of the weakest Gundams of its time. Instead he chose to evacuate Gyunei even though his Jagd Doga wasn't unable to return on its own. He also prevented Quess from possibly shooting Amuro. He also leaks the psychoframe tech to Amuro in the first place. And when he sees the Nu Gundam on Axis uncrewed while Amuro goes into the tunnels, he doesn't destroy it, even though Amuro would have 100 percent blown up the Sazabi if their positions were reversed. At this point it's because Amuro is probably the only person who comes close to understanding Char. Listening to their final words as the Nu Gundam tries to push back Axis, they're both almost in tears trying to show each other their philosophies, knowing neither of them will change their minds. Other than that though, I hate what CCA did to Char. Sick mobile suits though
The fight with Amuro was pretty much the whole point of the movie. Everything else was just an excuse to force it and Char wouldn't have been satisfied with offing Amuro easily. But again, even that's been warped since Char originally believed it wasn't about the mobile suit but the pilot. Tomino had to break the character in order to force this last fight and it's a real shame.
11:27 I mean…they dropped the two colonies in Tibet and Australia, and if the Australian one was in the center of the continent…I mean there’s small towns and mining concerns but it’s mostly desert, the people on the coasts would be fucked by the blast and there might be weather anomalies. Dropping it on Tibet is…real “womp womp”. At least they aren’t under the CCP anymore. It’d probably severely mess up China (blocks off the source for its rivers, that’s why irl China gives so much of a shit about Tibet) or maybe not, it might just make a neat little crater in among the plateaus of the worlds biggest mountains. Like, drop it on the United States, or Brazil, or Italy or someplace more densely populated.
Please don't tell me the reason for This Flashback type of overexaggrated grains and censors is UA-cam Copyright system. cause this is very annoying for a good review.
10:13 are icbms not a thing? This is the second colony dropped on earth right? Are there also planetary colonies on mars or ceres or somewhere out in the solar system or are they just manmade constructs? Where did the millions(?) of people who live on the colony go? Did they go down with the colony? If they went to other colonies then they’d be massively overpopulated, which is a bad bad thing in Sphess.
"I feel like a bunch of people are coming into me" not exactly a line that i would want to hear from a 13 year old female character in a Gundam film.... Hmmm
I HATE Chars Counterattack with a passion. Zeta did a good job of fleshing Char out and showing him as an anti-hero... Then CCA just turns him into a generic villain looking for a rematch. It's his midlife crisis, new hair do, new flashy sports car, and new bad attitude. You mean to tell me he just let Kamille go? Didn't try to help him, just let him be a vegetable? He didn't work with Amuro to fix the system? Just nah, burn it all down. I love the action and mobile suits designs though... which is far more than I can say about the train wreck that is Unicorn.
When I first saw CCA, I had not seen Zeta or ZZ, so it's watchable without those … it's just much better if you HAVE seen them and have some idea what is up with Amuro. Quess I just hate. What is it about Gundam making women as dumb as a fking stump? That said … Hathaway isn't much better. I want to view them both through the lens of "they're too young to be on a battlefield and it's tragic that they're there at all, but … no. I have not seen nor read the Hathaway stuff. I've been spoiled on the ending (which wasn't much of a spoiler-it's Gundam UC after all), but I can't help but go into them thinking that Hathaway has gotten better than he deserved for Hathaway's Flash to even take place.
"The most manipulative compulsive liar in the universe"
This is propagada. Everybody knows Char never betrayed anyone
QUATTRO never betrayed anyone, a completely different character from Char.
Oh please, everyone knows Quattro backstabbing Kamille. It was Casval that never betrayed anyone
nothing personal garma blame this misfortune of your birth bwahahahaha
@@Demospammer9987idn't Casval betray the original Char Aznable?
Ladies, ladies, only Edouardo Mass never betrayed, backstabbed, or plotted against anyone
When I watched Chars counter attack as a 15 year old girl I also fell for his ideology and it was totally not.... cause Chars a hot guy in a cool suit
Me too, I was about the exact same age, what a dream boat!
@@thrillhouse4151 yes the dream of every human moving to space so that the earth would no longer suffer surely was a boat that many people wished to ride on
I couldn’t agree more!!
Wtf?! Earth are make for human being to live. Greed kill every thing.
I’d not blame you. The guy’s too charismatic. And hot…
The appeal of CCA to me - aside from the animation and my general affection for this period of the franchise - is that it takes two characters who have in many ways defined eachother's existence, with many similar excellent qualities as people, who've both fought eachother and along side one another, have achieved literal supernatural understanding of one another's mindset and character, and fundamentally agree on so much about the nature of the world... yet even with all that they're like "fuck this guy".
In case anyone is curious, the Titans just kinda grabbed a lot of Federation stuff and had no issue wrecking it, so the state is pretty much broke by Char's Counterattack. Char knows this, and he knows the Federation isn't really in a position to stop the space colonies from doing whatever they want now, so his entire plan here is just a flimsy attempt to get the Zeon Zum Deikun fanboy funding for his plan to fight Amuro.
So basically, Char is so used to getting by on charm and talent that he never actually grew up, and became the kind of person who goes, "give me the middle lane or I feed," only with weapons of master destruction.
Casvall has always been manipulative, he effectively MADE Zeon depend on him so he could enact his revenge on the Zabi family for killing his dad! That sort of shit does tend to be difficult to get over, though, I can't imagine why... Although, I did always find it strange he bears such little ill will towards Mineva Zabi... Plus the loss of Lala...
Yeah to be honest I feel he should have had the same Ill will toward Garma with the amount he gave to Mineva. Mostly because the Older members would have been involved with his father's Assassination making Garma a perfect Puppet to take over what was his father's.
@@CD-GamingLiterally every single Zabi was complicit in his fathers death except maybe Garma, who was completely indoctrinated by Hitler 2 Electric Boogaloo by that point. Garma would have become a massive pain in his side as he tried to pick off the rest of the family. Like sure the line is "blame this on the misfortune if your birth." but thats char taunting because hes the worst.
Mineva was a literal baby, and Char is not petty enough to hold a grudge against a literal baby. Its also very much canon that Char cant stop picking up random people in need. Lalah, Mineva, Kamille, Katz, heck even Amuro in Zeta gets a pep talk. Char until he gets to CCA wants to make the world better. He wants to be a good or better person and everytime he tries he screws it up and everyone he loves dies or sufferes a worse fate so he decides to stop trying and just do the most radical thing he can think off.
In short. Most of Char's characterization in Zeta and in 0079 shows him as a total piece of shit who doesn't want to be. A broken husk of a man who by the time you get to Char's Counter Attack is so desperate for love that his last words are crying for someone who he thought might always love him. He's pathetic, and tragic, and if you look at him through this lens, a manchild, you start to get why he teases Amuro and lets him know whats hes doing.
@@mudawott A lesser person would have been broken by the shit he went through, there's no doubt, though he obviously didn't come out of it all COMPLETELY unscathed, he wouldn't have been human if he did and he probably wouldn't have been anywhere near as impactful a character, either to the point we're STILL talking about him over 40 years since his debut! Not to mention the so-called "Char Clones", blonde-haired masked ace pilots!
@@CD-Gaming Yeah. I was mainly just wanting to explain why he doesnt just not mind Mineva, but actively cares about her.
Char is a broken man by CCA. Like you can tell he doesnt even plan to make it through this alive. He really only cares about two things anymore. Revenge on earth federation, and making sure amuro doesnt stop him before he can.
12:08 That char guy is trurly terrible, Quattro Bajeena would never betray anyone!
Quattro is almost like Casvals real personality that he’s suppressed for years while being Char. Then final he makes a new identity after being a narcissistic Char for years and finally balanced the scale to the other side of himself being what his father stood for and the Daikun name
That balloon thing happened in real life an army used them to confuse drones and aerial surveillance leaving large balloons shaped like tanks while they retreated
It also happened in ancient china.
Glad to see this back. Now to salvage my old comment. Honestly, the most interesting thing to come out of CCA was how that story was adapted in the Super Robot Wars games, where they mostly try to fix most parts of the narrative that most of the fans can't stand like Char's motivation for why he did his heel turn, Amuro not bothering to wonder WHY Char would do this or the whole reenactment of the Lalah Suun incident with Quess, Gyunei and Hathaway. Personally speaking though, I just got the feeling that Char was just burnt out by the time of the movie. The dude was just plain sick of seeing the Federation being more blatant with their fascist bullcrap, from them being the catalyst for the Zabis to create Zeon, what happens in Stardust Memories (no spoilers), creating the Titans which resulted in Kamile....yeah. And their monstrous apathy to Haman's colony drop in ZZ along with Amuro still having his head shoved up his ass about working with the Feds even after everything I just said. Now I know that in the movie Char gives some reasons why during his big speech and with his alone time with Nanai where he just seems to be burnt out and wanting this whole song and dance to end but still it seems to be implied. Also the ending is the biggest pile of Bullshit ever. Speaking of SRW as cool as the Sazabi and Nu Gundam are, the Nightingale and Hi-Nu Gundam top them in my opinion.
It's also rather jarring how the plot relies on a bunch of people going "sure, let's give this guy another asteroid, what could go wrong?"
Anyone with an inkling of Char's plan should be trying to kill him, including his allies. No one seems to understand that actions have consequences apart from the ones they want.
The use of inflatable decoys is actually a tactic that dates all the way back to WWII, being used to trick airplane photography since it's hard to tell the difference with the quality of cameras at the time at the altitude that they took them. It absolutely makes a lot of sense in this setting as well for the same reasons, space is so big and you can get sightlines from so far that it'd be hard to tell if they were fake ships unless you got real close to em.
So glad this is back. I’d seen CCA after watching the Gundam trilogy and loved it. It helped me to see how Gundam really is the Japanese equivalent of Star Wars. I mean I believed it since I’d seen 2 giant Gundams there and loved wing as a kid. But this in light of MSG and Zeta and thinking back on how Japan has grown it made sense. I never did see ZZ but once I finish that I plan to rewatch this with new eyes.
The Sazabi and Nu Gundam are incredible!
"This ones a real rock!?!?!?!" classic
Undoubtedly the best Gundam movie!
Nice job on the whole video, thanks for putting on all the extra work to get this back out to us. as a UA-camr of myself I understand the struggle of having to work around a lot of the issues you mentioned in this video at the beginning. 🤘😎
Aww it’s good man, it’s nostalgia. That’s our whole community! Lol.
But I have mixed feelings about Char’s CA bc I really wanted Char to get it right. I think it MAY be bc Zechs/Milliardo was my intro to the archetype and his ending was happier.
I enjoyed the manga Beltorchika's Children(based on Tominos original novel) a bit more than the movie
It's funny, I was gonna rewatch this exact video today too but the yt algorithm had other plans... I'm glad to see it up again ❤
By the way, the light hitting your glasses kept reminding me of Gurren Lagann, all of them spirituals going around and around like the Spiral King!
Congrats on the weight loss, it’s tough to get it off, strong work!
Thanks!
balloons as decoys is actually a real thing for intercontinental ballistic missiles. they're deployed during midcourse flight to confuse ABM
I'm glad you re uploaded this. Watching your perspective on a franchise I fell in love with so long ago has been a real delight. I didn't see this originally, and despite it being an old work of yours, it's still really good.
This was in fact the first Gundam anything I ever watched. From a rented tape from a Japanese video store in San Diego that we copied using 2 VCR's...1989 I believe. The drama between the characters, much of it hinted at because we hadn't seen other Gundam work, drew me in. Even now it's one of my favorite movies ever, even though ad I got older, I could see the flaws in the movie much more clearly.
I think Tomino has a serious problem with intellectuals and philosophical cults of personality, and Amuro literally dumps this on you during their man to man duel. Quess is admittedly a bad character, but I think Tomino at the time didn't want to give up on presenting the deluded follower...a very much realistic, of not very likeable type of character. Zeta gave us 2, in Reccoa and Sarah, and Quess fills the role here. What is puzzling is what Lalah's spirit sees in him. Probably seeing the nobility of his goals rather than the means. Lalah was very much the opposite of Nanai and Quess in that Chars was devoted to her rather than the other way around. Lalah remains the follower done right...not deluded...but definitely devoted.
Take 2...Action!!!!
I hate Quess. Thanks for the re-upload, I wasn't able to watch the original.
Huh, maybe I should watch the sub. Although I watched Zeta dubbed and still loved it so I guess I have a high tolerance for dubs.
To be fair the dub is not terrible really, its in that funny-bad gray area.
@@Retcon404
Have you ever watched the dub for the MSG compilation movie trilogy? It's hilariously bad, especially the first movie, though part of that is also due to the script, they add a bunch of cheesy one-liners that DO NOT fit in Gundam.
Just watch CCA this morning. Finally fulfills my desire to have watched it after I saw the really cool commercial late night when I was in like third grade on Toonami. At that point I only seen bits and pieces of wing, was in progress of watching G Gundam on Toonami, and was playing Gundam battle Assault 2 on PlayStation 1. I remember thinking the commercial it was so cool this dude is going to drop an asteroid on Earth. And I always loved playing as the Sazabi on Battle Assault 2. Full Circle completed. My conclusion after having watched all of the universal Century stuff now where Char played a part, is that he is just as a weird guy as I thought he was. He should have stayed as Quattro vagina because that was my favorite favorite version of him.
Nice! This was already taken down before I found your channel, so I've been really wanting to watch this. Thanks for reuploading and sticking it to the man.
Great video as always! You and Bonsai Pop are doing a great job introducing Gundam to newcomers and refreshing veteran's memory.
Beeeeeyond the tiiiime!
I’ll get to building that Sazabi one day… gotta do it justice with good paint and all that. CCA *SLAPS*
My favorite Gundam Movie, still remember seeing this on Adult Swim while sleeping over my friends house
I love how they're in space, they have cities in space, they have giant robots in space, they're able to do wireless communication between robots in space, meanwhile they still have telephones with cords. I was taken aback I think when I saw Char's origin at one point A guy uses a cell phone if I remember correctly.
I've seen almost all these retrospectives, Great work. Keep it up.
"I'm not sure how to feel about her [Quess'] character..."
Well, the theater *I* was in cheered when she finally ate it back two years ago, so I think that sums it up for me.
Char really put ALOT of his Stat points into charisma 😂🤣
Thank you for reuploading this I was well through your videos and this disappeared several hours before I was going to watch
Thanks for all the great content.
Nice. This is the only video from the retrospective that I hadn’t watched.
I started watching the channel after the original video was delisted so I am so happy to see this.
CCA was the first gundam anything I ever say, and it made a very strong impression. I liked that even without having seen any of the shows I was still able to follow the plot easily. Even after seeing everything leading up to the movie, still feels like Char doesn't care about the environment anymore and is just looking for one final duel with Amuro.
Can't wait to see more of your reviews, and hopefully this one doesn't get yanked by Sunrise.
So glad to see this back up since I hadn't found youyr channel yet the first time around. I think Char's Counter Attack was the second thing I watched related to the UC and I wish I could remember my initial thoughts on it better. I know I was still much more of a Gundam Wing fanboy during that time, so while the action was great, I didn't remember the movie super fondly. It wasn't until I was doing my complete Gundam runthru about 6 or 7 years ago that I really found an appreciation for it.
I do hope we'll get an Outlaw Star video, that was another one of my favorite things while I was growing up and watching Toonami. I haven't rewatched that outside of the Cartoon Network reruns.
Love the videos bro! Keep up the good work. 🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽
Got so excited when I saw that you uploaded
Thank you for the upload.
Oh nice, Im living the UC trough your videos, thankies
Yay!!! Glad to see it’s back up!!! 😊❤️
Legit never saw this video! I've been watching this series since your first msg retrospective or at least very soon after its release.
Love the videos!
thanks for the video!
Nothing prepares you for your immanent death like Stuart Little 2
This makes me remember when UA-cam screwed you over on the F80 video & you re-uploaded it.... what? Three times. I watched & liked everyone.
Just like this one.
BTW, liking the new hairstyle🎉
haha thanks, thats the "ive been editing for hours and really need to take a shower but I HAVE to get this done NOW." hairstyle.
Ive been so curious about this video. I must have found your channel right after it was delisted since I could never find it and thought "weird, did they skip CCA and plans to return to it later???". Glad to see it!
I hope since you covered Macross you will cover the Movie Do you remember love. Its basically a retelling of the orginal but its so well done and the amimation is godlike espesically for 1985
Char's Coutnerattack is a good movie overall. The animation is gorgeous, the character are beutiful, the mobile suit designs are also gorgeous. Yes, the dub is hilarious at times.
The remastered edition 🤩
char likes young girls! -that one cyber newtype guy spittin hot truths
TBF to Char he is basically just using Quess to use her as a Weapon and not you know,
Still desturbing of course but not in the way thats normally said, Char is still Grooming Quess but as basically a Child Soldier.
There's a reason why Char, the anime villain, has been loved for so many years, he's not just a cool and strong rival. He has a pathetic inner conflict that he wants to hide behind that mask, he regrets and cries, he makes mistakes, he's not perfect enough to play the role of the human Newtype his father showed him to be, but he keeps trying to be strong and good. It's impossible not to love him.
13:07 Farthest Outpost? Cultured music choice. ❤
Armuro… I’m doing something extremely wicked… 😜😜😜
This is the first ever gundam i ever watch, and i don't even know what gundam is at that time because i still very very young
My fav Gundam movie, I wish I could find it somewhere. I recorded on vhs back in the day. I love a good war mech movie.
Going through the U.C. universe for the first time in release order, just started 08th team. I watched Char’s Counterattack for the first time about a month ago. I can’t believe they killed off the godfathers of Gundam, Amuro and Char, that way. It seemed so anticlimactic. I actually didn’t even realize they died or disappeared or whatever, at first. I had to rewind and watch the scene again, and was still confused. I’ll miss the Char from Zeta, he was so cool.
FINALLY
The Nu and Sazabi are rad as hell, but they aren't worth what they did to Char's character.
Oh so much this. The RE-GZ and Jegan are my two favorite mass produced models but they can keep'em if it means we get Quattro development and not a regression into a stupider version of Char.
The guy left his sister alone in the darkest moment of her life, groomed Lalah because he needed "emotional support" (also because he wanted to make a weapon), lied to Garma for years mantaining a fake friendship that had only the purpose of killing him for a pitty vendetta that Garma himself was not even involved, ran away from his responsabilities with Axis and left Haman to do what she wishes, let Kamille suffer despite the fact that Amuro warned him multiple times that something bad would happen, didn't came back to check on Kamille after an irreversible damage that was his fault, didn't came back to try to stop Haman also.
Char is not a guy by any metric.
I feel like id enjoy this movie more if we had more contex for the gap between ZZ anf CCA
Good job bro.
This one goes out to the algorithm.
In defense of the federation in ZZ they were kinda busy trying to put down a rebelion on the asteroid pezun.
I thought I was going crazy, but then I recognized the background music as SS2. Lol
This is the best piece of any media ever made of all time
Thunderbolt was amazing as well
One part that really confused me about this movie is the time skip between the last time we see char in zeta and the next time we see him legit doing a major heel turn. Like what happened in between ? He just laid low through all of zz and just fucked off for 6 years then came back out of nowhere ? With a huge force mind you.
Would love too see you do the origins ovas
15:30 not to mention that quess was the one to unknowingly kill her own dad when she went trigger happy and 'sploded the battleship bridge he was on
This morning … I really wanted to watch one of your videos and I open UA-cam and boom. The dopamine coming in strong. Thankyou.
One day I’ll have to be a member when it’s feasible :)
Ok I need to say this before I watch the video this movie was my first experience with the original time-line of gundam
@Retcon_404 thank for all your informative Mecha and anime videos, keep working hard man, I love all the details and fun facts u sprinkle throughout your content, it helps me appreciate everything that much more
now we go on to Unicorn
Yer I missed this one first time around
It's been 11 days since this vid....
Can you do a review of Big-O?
Has your retrospective of "Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam" been removed by youtube? I can't seem to find it.
So is the blurred content what got you in trouble the first time? Idk jack about UA-cam's policies
When Quess died, my friend circle called it a skill issue and we call Hathaway a "fucking simp",
Don't Care I Just Wanna Watch For God Sake
We need new dub Char’s Counterattack 😆
Can you review Macros Plus the best mecha Dogfight 🔥
Quite sussy when quess says "bunch of people are coming into me"
Can you do hellsing or ultimate
Reliking now that i see the reupload
2:36
I honestly really dislike Quess, if you removed her completely and just gave Hathaway different reasons for his arc they could've put more emphasis on Char's and Amuro's rivalry which is really more what I came for. The movie feels like it has a few too many characters in it.
Yeah Quess was a spoiled brat the whole time
Quess only exists to give Hathaway a reason to get involved
@@garomcfbgdd3211 which adds more to hathaway's pointless existence both of these characters could be removed
Quess was absolutely the worst Gundam character I’ve ever had to deal with not just in the UC but across all the continuities I Don’t think there’s a character as shitty as she is. Just an absolute waste of time to even have her in the story, which she played an irrelevant part of as you said, the story would’ve not only been fine but better without her.
@@garomcfbgdd3211 I wonder what he will think after watching Hathaways Flash
Why does everything go blurry at 15:28?
I'd like to briefly defend Char in this instance even though I think this movie damaged his character so much that he feels like a different person entirely. Like you say he's definitely manipulative, but I don't think in the manner suggested here. I think for example that him sleazing with Nanai and Quess is basically trying to get them both to fight harder for him. He tells Gyunei that he doesn't love either of them. He just wants Neo Zeon to win. But when Quess tries to get with him, he sees how much effort she puts into being an MS pilot and how her newtype powers develop as a result, so he sort of encourages it. At the end I think that's made more clear when he doesn't mourn her death, instead going on about how his love was always Lalah. Not only that, but he wanted to basically have someone that would genuinely treat him like family.
The one good thing that they did with his character was making him pretty much refuse to kill Amuro. He could've chased down he ReGZ at the start and probably destroyed it pretty handily, it's probably one of the weakest Gundams of its time. Instead he chose to evacuate Gyunei even though his Jagd Doga wasn't unable to return on its own. He also prevented Quess from possibly shooting Amuro. He also leaks the psychoframe tech to Amuro in the first place. And when he sees the Nu Gundam on Axis uncrewed while Amuro goes into the tunnels, he doesn't destroy it, even though Amuro would have 100 percent blown up the Sazabi if their positions were reversed. At this point it's because Amuro is probably the only person who comes close to understanding Char. Listening to their final words as the Nu Gundam tries to push back Axis, they're both almost in tears trying to show each other their philosophies, knowing neither of them will change their minds.
Other than that though, I hate what CCA did to Char. Sick mobile suits though
The fight with Amuro was pretty much the whole point of the movie. Everything else was just an excuse to force it and Char wouldn't have been satisfied with offing Amuro easily. But again, even that's been warped since Char originally believed it wasn't about the mobile suit but the pilot. Tomino had to break the character in order to force this last fight and it's a real shame.
11:27 I mean…they dropped the two colonies in Tibet and Australia, and if the Australian one was in the center of the continent…I mean there’s small towns and mining concerns but it’s mostly desert, the people on the coasts would be fucked by the blast and there might be weather anomalies.
Dropping it on Tibet is…real “womp womp”. At least they aren’t under the CCP anymore.
It’d probably severely mess up China (blocks off the source for its rivers, that’s why irl China gives so much of a shit about Tibet) or maybe not, it might just make a neat little crater in among the plateaus of the worlds biggest mountains.
Like, drop it on the United States, or Brazil, or Italy or someplace more densely populated.
Guys can someone explain why gundam is and if it has anything to do with gundam style
Please don't tell me the reason for This Flashback type of overexaggrated grains and censors is UA-cam Copyright system. cause this is very annoying for a good review.
YOU BELONG TO ME
10:13 are icbms not a thing? This is the second colony dropped on earth right? Are there also planetary colonies on mars or ceres or somewhere out in the solar system or are they just manmade constructs?
Where did the millions(?) of people who live on the colony go? Did they go down with the colony? If they went to other colonies then they’d be massively overpopulated, which is a bad bad thing in Sphess.
"I feel like a bunch of people are coming into me" not exactly a line that i would want to hear from a 13 year old female character in a Gundam film.... Hmmm
the botosai? the First amendment auditor?
Char was right.
Hathaway is actually a guy.
I HATE Chars Counterattack with a passion. Zeta did a good job of fleshing Char out and showing him as an anti-hero... Then CCA just turns him into a generic villain looking for a rematch. It's his midlife crisis, new hair do, new flashy sports car, and new bad attitude. You mean to tell me he just let Kamille go? Didn't try to help him, just let him be a vegetable? He didn't work with Amuro to fix the system? Just nah, burn it all down.
I love the action and mobile suits designs though... which is far more than I can say about the train wreck that is Unicorn.
🤣🤣
Just watched it on Netflix. It was dubbed, the voice actress and the character of Kess was annoying as fuck in my mind. But still a decent film.
23:15 nah, fuck goku, Kirby morrow will always be Cole for me, master of earth, from Lego Ninjago, NINJA NEVER QUITE
When I first saw CCA, I had not seen Zeta or ZZ, so it's watchable without those … it's just much better if you HAVE seen them and have some idea what is up with Amuro. Quess I just hate. What is it about Gundam making women as dumb as a fking stump? That said … Hathaway isn't much better. I want to view them both through the lens of "they're too young to be on a battlefield and it's tragic that they're there at all, but … no.
I have not seen nor read the Hathaway stuff. I've been spoiled on the ending (which wasn't much of a spoiler-it's Gundam UC after all), but I can't help but go into them thinking that Hathaway has gotten better than he deserved for Hathaway's Flash to even take place.
What would a Music major use to combat your construal of the score? Science? Relax, child of academia.
Im happy im a real man.......i never agreed with Char......even when i watched zeta gundam i didnt trust him one bit. Lol and i was proved right lol