Do We Still Have the Original Word of God? - Textual Criticism

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  • Опубліковано 16 лис 2024

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  • @jimyoung9262
    @jimyoung9262 Місяць тому +2

    I highly recommend Mark Ward's channel. He gets really nerdy on manuscripts and is a very kind brother in how he refutes the heresies inherent in the KJVO groups.

  • @jamesarthurreed
    @jamesarthurreed Місяць тому +1

    I've been looking forward to this since I first got the notification!

  • @michaelclark2458
    @michaelclark2458 Місяць тому +4

    We never lost the Bible. It’s always been here.

  • @OrthodoxJourney359
    @OrthodoxJourney359 23 дні тому

    This was great 🙏

  • @glennosjv
    @glennosjv Місяць тому

    Wonderful video, thank you !

  • @HeavyHeartsShow
    @HeavyHeartsShow Місяць тому +1

    Verses that really are significantly different in the modern translations:
    Matthew
    1:25
    5:47
    20:22-23
    26:28
    27:34-35
    Mark
    2:17
    9:29
    9:42
    10:24
    14:24
    16:8-20
    Luke
    2:33
    24:36
    John
    1:18
    4:42
    6:47
    6:69
    9:4
    9:35
    14:15

  • @Matthew-307
    @Matthew-307 Місяць тому +1

    There’s a lot of historical evidence for Byzantine readings, and with what the scripture says about its own preservation, I’ve landed on a Byzantine/TR position. The NKJV is my go-to translation.

  • @HeavyHeartsShow
    @HeavyHeartsShow Місяць тому +6

    KJV - Most Popular English Translation
    RV - Most Popular Spanish Translation
    Synodal Bible - Most Popular Russian Translation
    CUV - Most Popular Chinese Translation
    Van Dyck Translation - Most Popular Arabic Translation
    Hindi Bible Society - Most Popular Hindi Translation
    Louis Segond Version - Most Popular French Translation
    All of these translations use the Masoretic Text for the Old Testament and the Textus Receptus for the New Testament.
    Note that the Hebrew in the Tanakh used in the present day by the Jewish community - the tedious and careful custodians of the Prophets and the Law throughout history - is in the ancient Hebrew, and is not modernized. In fact, it is against Jewish law to alter the text of the ancient Hebrew. Compare that to our 500+ Modern English translations. I find Codex Vaticanus and Sinaiticus spurious.

    • @anickelsworthbiblereviews
      @anickelsworthbiblereviews  Місяць тому +3

      KJV is not the most popular English translation. The NIV is.

    • @DiegoSantosU
      @DiegoSantosU Місяць тому

      The Louis Segond uses the Critical text.

    • @byrondickens
      @byrondickens Місяць тому

      Argumentum ad populum

    • @HeavyHeartsShow
      @HeavyHeartsShow Місяць тому +2

      @@anickelsworthbiblereviews the KJV is the most popular English speaking Bible brother. 31% KJV, 13% NIV. Source: Statista.

    • @HeavyHeartsShow
      @HeavyHeartsShow Місяць тому

      @@DiegoSantosU the Louis Segond is the French equivalent of the English King James.

  • @rosslewchuk9286
    @rosslewchuk9286 Місяць тому

    Peace! Interestingly, The Patriarchal Eastern Orthodox Greek NT is based on lectionaries. Thanks!🙏📖

  • @rafaelroxas2818
    @rafaelroxas2818 Місяць тому

    Very good presentation and informative.

  • @biblestudies9391
    @biblestudies9391 Місяць тому

    “Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.”
    ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23‬:‭9‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
    Blessed is the man Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly
    “But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’”
    ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23‬:‭5‬-‭7‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

  • @Ralbuug
    @Ralbuug Місяць тому +2

    I’m Jewish so my thoughts on textual criticism may be somewhat different.
    I’m not sure what Jonathan means by the vocalization having anti-Christian tones, as it purely just tells you how to chant the words while in Temple. It has no effect on the meaning of words. In fact the Torah scrolls in every Temple in the world do not have any vocalization or vowels.
    Also most will be displeased at this take but there shouldn’t be much debate on manuscripts like Masoretic vs Dead Sea Scrolls and possibly even the Peshitta. The reason is over the course of the cannonization of the Tanakh (Old Testament) taking place many Oral Traditions & other thoughts have creeped into the text while scribes were producing these manuscripts. We even see in the period of the Qumran community the cannon was less strict, including books like Enoch. So it’s not wrong to say people commissioning these manuscripts may have asked for the scribe to edit passages, and let’s not forget scribal errors, of which there are hundreds within the Leningrad Codex itself.
    I can also give some insight into the Orthodox Jewish world where the Dead Sea Scrolls aren’t seen as something to look into. While valuable obviously, the Masoretic text represents our tradition and the DSS represents a different tradition. You’ll probably only find debate between manuscripts like the Aleppo Codex vs Leningrad Codex, of which I am in agreement that the Aleppo is far more authoritative and should be the base standard for all modern bibles (Not to mention the Aleppo only has a handful of scribal errors compared to the Leningrad’s hundreds)
    Textual criticism is definitely a headache sometimes but honestly between every extent manuscript the overall narratives are mostly the same. One thing to always keep in mind though is that the DSS & Masoretic manuscripts were preserved by Jews, while the Peshitta, Latin, & LXX were preserved (and copied) by Christians.

    • @ronester1
      @ronester1 Місяць тому

      it appears that he's says the vowel points will determine how to construct the word and there are different interpretations on the original Hebrew words in some scriptures, LXX vs Masoretic Text readings

    • @jsf8145
      @jsf8145 Місяць тому

      Isaiah 53 💯
      Psalm 110:1
      Duet 18:18,19
      Psalm 22
      Genesis 22:8
      2 Timothy 3 🤏
      Matthew 5:17 🎯
      John 16:33 👌

    • @biblestudies9391
      @biblestudies9391 Місяць тому

      If the Babylonian captivity was big major punishment for sins and it caused your people to go into captivity for 70 years, what do you think could’ve caused the destruction of the temple and scattering of your people for around 1900 years?

    • @Ralbuug
      @Ralbuug Місяць тому

      ⁠@@biblestudies9391Roman oppression, rebellions, extremism, religious & political tensions all come to mind. The shift after the temple’s destruction to prayer & study as well placed less emphasis on the Temple.
      Question for you is Christians really messed up for us to be allowed to have G-d’s Holy Land back… I wonder why?

    • @biblestudies9391
      @biblestudies9391 Місяць тому

      @@Ralbuug sorry liar it was your fathers killing God’s Son. But I’m not your enemy nor am I opposed to Jews living in that area.

  • @MAMoreno
    @MAMoreno Місяць тому

    I don't have an issue with the NRSV saying "wind" in Genesis 1.2 because of how the verse is later echoed by Genesis 8.1: "Then God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the animals that were with him in the ark. And God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters subsided" (NKJV). The restoration of creation after the flood is stronger if you can see how the same Hebrew words are being used in both passages. That being said, I like having translations that say "Spirit" as well, since "Ruach Elohim" is otherwise a term in reference to the Holy Spirit. English doesn't have that perfect word that can mean wind, breath, and spirit at the same time, so you're always trading off one thing when you're gaining another.

  • @byrondickens
    @byrondickens Місяць тому

    Some good points. Most of the textual variance really are inconsequential. And your salvation doesn't hang in the balance of whether the word is wind or spirit.
    Episcopalians generally don't tote our Bibles along to church. The readings are going to be printed in the bulletin anyway and the sermon is going to be tied to one or more of them.

    • @rogersacco4624
      @rogersacco4624 Місяць тому

      It's all man inspired.Every writer would soon. have second thoughts about what they wrote if open minded.at all

  • @stevetucker5851
    @stevetucker5851 Місяць тому

    I believe the Masoretic Text for the Old Testament and Family 35 (Kr) for the New Testament contain the perfectly preserved scriptures.

  • @deeman524
    @deeman524 Місяць тому

    Sorry, but for ex.'"a little lower than God" Ps 8 CSB and "Justice instead of Righteousness" Matt 5 NLT is huge deal and a huge problem. And it doesn't take a dozen translations and updates to correct errors and make a better translation. And the people who create these modern Bibles obviously don't take the bible seriously.

    • @anickelsworthbiblereviews
      @anickelsworthbiblereviews  Місяць тому

      @@deeman524 there are some odd differences, but we also have to admit there are some difficult passages to translate. I definitely prefer the most literal approach and add and translator thoughts to the notes.

  • @Imsaved777
    @Imsaved777 Місяць тому

    No originals only copies of copies of copies of copies.

    • @anickelsworthbiblereviews
      @anickelsworthbiblereviews  Місяць тому +1

      While it’s true we don’t have the autographs, it’s untrue to say we don’t have the original.

  • @defenderofTheWord
    @defenderofTheWord Місяць тому +1

    Excluding the KJV, all Bible translations contradict themselves or one another so they can’t all be correct. I will give you two examples, but there are literal thousands, of which I could give you.
    Isaiah 7:14 KJV
    “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
    Isaiah 7:14 nrsv
    “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Look, the young woman is with child and shall bear a son and shall name him Immanuel.”
    This is a big difference as it takes out the meaning of the prophecy of Christ. Any woman can bear a child, but no woman can bear a child being a virgin, which is the point that Jesus is not born of man but of God, being God. Completely blasphemous. I’ll give another example.
    2 Samuel 21:19 KJV
    “And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.”
    2 Samuel 21:19 nasb
    “And there was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite [a]killed [b]Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.”
    Goliath has already been slain 4 chapters ago in 2 Samuel 17:51 by David, not Elhanan like you see in the nasb.
    1 Chronicles 20:5 also confirms this saying that Elhanan slew the BROTHER of Goliath, in both versions.
    God says his word is perfect. But this “Bible” clearly contradicted itself. Every single “Bible” contradicts itself, one another, and takes away or adds to the word of the LORD thousands of times like this. Only The King James Bible doesn’t contradict itself. However because the KJV still conflicts with other versions, even though not with itself, You might say how do we know the KJV is the pure word of the LORD purified 7 times. (Gods number representing Himself and perfection) The Bible also says, the words of the LORD are preserved FOR EVER, meaning if the words of the LORD are perfect, there can’t be more than one perfect word/translation because they all contradict one another. Even and especially the NKJV.
    Psalms 12:6-7 KJV
    “The words of the LORD are pure words: As silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, Thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.”
    “Bibles” with omitted/missing verses don’t seem like the pure words of the LORD, purified 7 times. And it certainly doesn’t seem preserved for ever, seeing as some verses quite simply were not preserved/ were omitted. If you’re a Christian you believe everything the Bible says, yes? So don’t you believe that the words of LORD are pure, and preserved forever not being forgotten, left out, or altered? The KJV doesn’t have any forgotten, left out, or altered verses in any way. The KJV has only undergone grammatical corrections until 1769.
    Jesus said if you change the words of His book, you will not attain eternal life. Subsequently meaning that the changed word is no longer the word of God and is false.
    Revelation 22:19 KJV
    “And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”
    Here’s irrefutable proof why the KJV is the only true Bible which supersedes Hebrew and Greek.
    The KJV supersedes the Hebrew and Greek for many reasons which are scripturally sound. Reasons for this ranging from scriptural proof like the Psalm I referenced earlier, to the manuscripts being used for the KJV being trustworthy and true without error,(just because the manuscripts are older doesn’t mean they are more accurate) and one more. In my opinion the biggest example to show the completion of God’s word are the Biblical codes that are only found within the KJV. God uses numbers/numerical patterns in The King James Bible to express certain truths the more and or just give proof that The King James Bible is the one true Bible. I’ll give a preface and an example of this. Different numbers have different meanings and represent different things/beings. 7 is known as Gods number because every time it’s used in the Bible it represents perfection and The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost. Here’s one code.
    It is found by taking the sum of ALL UPPERCASE standard (non-possessive) names/titles of God ( JEHOVAH, I AM, JAH, LORD, GOD ) plus ALL UPPERCASE names/titles of Jesus ( JESUS, BRANCH, KING ) together with the sum of ALL remaining mentions of Jesus(‘).
    At first it may appear a bit strange, but the major consideration that makes this so extraordinary is that we are not excluding any UPPERCASE mentions of God/Jesus. We are including all of them, and the total turns out to be 7777 when added together with all 980 pure mentions of Jesus (Pure = antimentions are removed from the count).
    In the Entire Bible:
    LORD = 6472 pure mentions.
GOD = 310 pure mentions.
JEHOVAH = 4 pure mentions.
I AM = 3 pure mentions.
JAH = 1 pure mentions.
BRANCH = 2 pure mentions.
KING = 5 pure mentions.
JESUS/Jesus* = 980 pure mentions.
    Total: 7777
    This is a capitalized search result. The results only include UPPERCASE mentions of each word.
    A pure mention is a true count for a person, place or thing. If antimentions exist (same name, different entity, they are removed from the count. There are three antimentions in this search result which does not mention the actual person of Jesus. The three antimentions in this search result are the single reference of Justus and the two mentions of Joshua.
    This was copied from KJVcode.com of which I’ll will go into more detail about in a moment.
    Here’s one more example which is the most popular and truly extraordinary code given from God Himself showing The King James Bible is perfect, superseding the Hebrew and greek.
    The entire King James Bible consists of 823,543 words and numbers, including the cover, the book titles, and all the chapters, verses and words inside.
    Here is the breakdown:
    Structure of the Bible
Words in Title of Bible (Cover): 5 (E.g. HOLY BIBLE KING JAMES VERSION)
Words in Book Titles: 376 (E.g. THE BOOK OF JOSHUA)
Total Chapters in the Bible: 1189 (E.g. CHAPTER 3)
Total Verses in the Bible: 31,102 (E.g. 16)
    Text of the Bible
Words in Verse Text: 789,629 (E.g. In the beginning was the Word…)
Words in Psalm Superscriptions: 1034 (E.g. A Psalm of David)
Words/Letters in Psalm 119 Inscriptions: 22 (E.g. ALEPH)
Words in Colophons: 186 (E.g. Unto the Galatians written from Rome)
    Structure of the Bible + Text of the Bible
(5 + 376 + 1189 + 31102) + (789,629 + 1034 + 22 + 186) = 823,543
    Total = 823,543 which is, 7^7 (Seven to the Power of Seven) = 7×7×7×7×7×7×7
    -
    If you break it down by Testament:
    Bible Cover: 5
Old Testament: 634,555 words/numbers
New Testament: 188,983 words/numbers
Total: 7^7
    This is especially difficult to pass off as random chance because:
    Old Testament: 634,555 words/numbers
Moses = 634x in the Law (5 books of Moses)
Christ = 555x in the Bible
    New Testament: 188,983 words/numbers
lamb* = 188x in the Bible
book = 188x in the Bible
life* = 188x in the N.T.
Jesus* = 983x in the Bible
    The numbers of the names of Jesus and Christ are directly signed into the OT/NT counts.
    Again I copied that from KJVcode.com
    There are hundreds upon hundreds of codes like these, if not more.
    I would highly recommend the channel truth is Christ, because he goes into great detail providing amazing ways God’s true word is the KJV mainly through codes. I would also highly recommend going to his website KJVcode.com, or buying his 15 dollar book, seal of the King. Both show many, many, amazing codes, however the site has more recent codes that have been discovered. I’m well aware how long this is but I hope it may have enlightened you in some way. One more thing I would like to add is think about asking God if this true what I said and ask Him to show you what you should read as the true word of God.
    May God bless you

    • @anickelsworthbiblereviews
      @anickelsworthbiblereviews  Місяць тому +1

      Most of these require a lesson in supplied words, and the KJVs reliance on the Latin.

    • @jimyoung9262
      @jimyoung9262 Місяць тому +1

      ...wow...

    • @rickyfielderjr6428
      @rickyfielderjr6428 Місяць тому +1

      I feel like this write up gets copied and pasted a lot, lol.

    • @defenderofTheWord
      @defenderofTheWord Місяць тому

      @@rickyfielderjr6428 I don’t think my comment went through before
      I finished writing this 2 days ago, your right I have been copy and pasting this on a bunch of videos lol