Good video but there's a mistake by mentioning Beowulf, as many literary analysts have shown Beowulf has a lot of christian influence, specially from the books of the old testament, like the books of Exodus, Genesis and Daniel.
If anyone’s interested in getting an idea of what the English language might have looked like if the Normans hadn’t conquered England, there is a thing called “Anglish” practiced by language enthusiasts on the Internet. It’s nothing official, just kind of a hobby or thought experiment, but it is pretty cool. They usually either resurrect old English words that are no longer used, put together two native English words to make a new word, or take the German word for a thing and just translate it literally into English. For example: instead of “workplace” you get “workstead.” Instead of “umbrella” you get “rainshield.” Instead of “hydrogen” you get “waterstuff.”
The animation is generally quite nice, although I think the 'idle animation' of the figures just pulsing up and down in place feels a bit odd. It works when the figures are moving though.
I'll imagine they'll be a much earlier "Great Game" between the Angevin empire, the Hasburgs and the Iberian dynasties for influence in western to central Europe, keeping the Ottamans at bay and the eventual exploration of the New World.
It’s worth mentioning that while it’s true that a majority of English vocab comes from non-germanic places, the most commonly used one or two thousand words in English are overwhelmingly Germanic. Words used to simply build sentences like articles, prepositions, conjunctions, and pronouns are exclusively germanic. And as for nouns, verbs, and adjectives, again the most commonly used of those, the first of those that you ever learn, are overwhelmingly germanic. To give you an idea, it’s pretty easy to construct a sentence in English using only Germanic words. It’s nearly impossible to do the same with words from Romance languages. But this just helps illustrate who had the power in post Norman England. Words used to talk about the Church, government, legal matters, school and so on are much more likely to come from old French, Latin, or sometimes Greek.
Can you please do a what if Britain became a republic in 1649? Great work on this but there just aren't many Britain centric alt histories, mostly just how Britain responds to things
Interesting point: William the Conquerer’s “Domesday Book,”-one of the precursors to the way we do modern land surveying, census data, and even modernized sewage systems in England and France-wouldn’t be ordered and thus the trajectory of the then burgeoning field of data collection and science might be altered. After all, it was the Domesday Book which partially inspired the father of Demography, John Graunt’s, “Natural and Political Observations Made Upon the Bills of Mortality” which even contributed to the way Napoleon III went about redesigning the Paris sewer systems!
Yes, radically. The England of this timeline is far less centralised, far less concerned with Arts and the Sciences and far more dominated by localism.
@@Longshanks1690Im sorry but since when does modern UK arts money ever leave London? Or infrascructure money even? A more localised UK would see a culture boom. Just look at Cardiff and Edinburgh, once they had local powers you got things like Dr Who and The Fringe Festival both international successes. Meanwhile most of everything else is sucked into London's Westend then hung out to dry
@@Rynewulf You are citing things from the 20th century and trying to compare it to the social, cultural and artistic landscape of the 10th. I trust I don’t have to explain to you why that’s insane.
@@Longshanks1690 Oh so when you say 1000 years of arts and science would be gone because by the modern day it would be more localist, thats rational. But I say I think it would lead to the opposite and why, thats insane. Youre just a dickhead
One thing about English being a Germanic tongue is that while most of our vocabulary is romance-based, all the key words we say the most often and our grammar are Germanic. You can smoothly write something in English using only Germanic vocabulary, but writing with only Romance vocabulary is difficult. This whole comment is fully written with Germanic words. Also, Anglo-Norman is the Romance dialect spoken by the Norman lords before they started speaking English, not the same as Middle English. By the way, the new editing looks wonderful.
Probably the biggest evidence for English being a Germanic language at its core is that we compound words to form new ones and Romance languages simply don't (or do it in a clunky manner, see chocolate cake). We make fun of the Germans and Scandinavians for doing it, but English does it too (we just hide it with spelling conventions).
Also, I would add that in some parts of England, for example the Black Country (near Birmingham), the dialect is still relatively unchanged from the pre-conquest Old English.
Yeah and theres a lot of evidence that by the early 1000's in the days of Canute let alone Edward the Confessor, most of the shifts towards Middle English had already begun. Reading Old English literature from the 800s is noticeably different to the 1000s. Ultimately I reckon the only change is just less Romance words, not anything actually drastic
Wow, this is perhaps one of the first alternate history questoins I've ever genuinely asked to myself, when I was 12 years old and actually began studying international history as a subject at school for the first time. Really glad to see an actual scenario about it, let alone from the legend of the Althist community that is you.
Very small detail, but when you showed the Anglo Saxons invading Britain, it was a really nice touch to show that Cumbria was still Celtic. After all, Cumbric was the closest language to Welsh and only died out in the 1200s or so Something else to add about the influence of the Normans, many people can trace back their family to the arrival of the Normans and the later Domesday Book. Even me, genetically almost entirely Anglo-Saxon, Scandinavian and Celtic (courtesy of MyHeritage), my oldest ancestor is a Norman landowner recorded in the Domesday Book. Also can sympathise with the war crimes ancestor part, 20.1% Scandinavian with one side of my family originating from Yorkshire with no Scandinavians in the last 500 years so uhhh, almost certainly 1/5 Viking…lotsa war crimes there
“What if the October Revolution failed” is a scenario I really want someone to cover because it’s just fascinating to me. By “someone” I mean Cody, obviously.
@ Really? I musta missed that one. I still think it would be cool to see a video on the scenario I pitched but I’ll see if I can find the video you mentioned.
I like the style, I really do. On the condition that it’s not too much extra work, mainly because I like the frequent release schedule and don’t want you having a hernia to keep it.
This might be my favourite video on the channel. Not just because of the animation quality - which is very nice - but the historical overview, points of divergence, explanation of the difference in cultures and in depth analysis of how this would shape the politics, religion and literature of England was truly remarkable. There’s a couple points I’d quibble on (The Normans’ feigned retreat was more important than Harold’s death in the Anglo-Saxon defeat, imo, for example) but overall, this was stellar, top notch work. Hoping to see more videos of this quality in the future!! 😁
The loss of anglo-saxon myths and history was according to Tolkien an important part of why he established his «Legendarium» which lead to the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings! So ironically in this timeline, Lord of the Rings might not have any basis of existence 😅
Given the close relationship between the UK and Norway in our own timeline it's extremely easy to imagine what you're talking about. But it is still incredibly different.
The new graphics and use of bannerlord (the game that shows battles , on steam if your wondering)ect was really well done and really improves the viewing experience
To us french, Quebec is our hillbilly little brother and English is our weird uncle that got stranded on an island. And our dad say he’s weird, leave him be.
Wow finally animated which is something I would never think would happen in this channel. Congrats on animating please animate more alt videos in the near future plz
One correction, while the majority of all words in modern english come from french, if you look at the most commonly used words they are predominantly germanic. So everyday spoken english has a much stronger germanic influence than statistics about words in general would make you think.
France: the BBC never told you what happened to your father. England: they told me enough. They told me you killed him. France: no England. I am your father. England: NOOOOOOOOOO
@@Embur Which is strange because it’s still the reason why there’s such a social and economic discrepancy between the north and south of England to this day, the north never recovered from the conquest.
Here’s some Alternate History scenarios that I think would be pretty cool to see play out! 1. What if France never bought Corsica? 2. What if Cao Cao won the battle of Red Cliffs? 3. What if Eisenhower LOST the 1952 election? 4. What if Queen Elizabeth I wasn’t a virgin, and had a successor? 5. What if Winston Churchill never became Prime Minister?
Fun fact, there is a video you can find on UA-cam, of a dude speaking old english to a frisian farmer, and for the most part they can understand one another, showing how close old english was to the germanic languages of the north
Also some notes on English pronunciation for next time: - Witan: "wit-an" - Carlisle: "Car-lie-ul" - Edinburgh: "Edin-bur-ugh" But once again, loved the video! (And I noticed you pronounced cavalry properly this time!)
This is gonna sound kinda weird but the new animations sort of make the characters look like they're from the Paper Mario TTYD remake, really cool to see though, nice one
Could you ever do an alternate history around Wales? I’d really love to see a video about ‘What if Owain Glyndŵr won?’ Or ‘What if Cadwallon won the Battle of Heavenfield?’ one day.
Interestingly, you can thank the random pin in a calendar that is Easter to the division between the Celtic and Roman churches in England. That was decided at the same Whitby that inspired Dracula
Much like the Netherlands, there was quite substantial draining of swamps & land reclamation along the eastern coast of England in the early modern period. East Anglia especially used to be mostly wetlands, more so than it is now.
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What a Segway
What if Richard Nixon Won 1960?
It's a scam
Good video but there's a mistake by mentioning Beowulf, as many literary analysts have shown Beowulf has a lot of christian influence, specially from the books of the old testament, like the books of Exodus, Genesis and Daniel.
Cody, this is a bad idea.
That's right Jimmy, you're animated now
The Jimmy is for Jimmy Donaldson who "owns" MrBeast.
Jimmy but now with RTX 😂
I don't think I like the animation, it makes it look too...I don't know, Cyanide and Happiness like to me
@@jaybirdjargon Feels less authentic.
What’s with the tenfold production value, Cody
Who turned up the graphics setting?
It was me
Turn it down im desyncing ....come on man im an hour behind @Green_Stache_Productions
William the Conquered it
The financial support by James Bissonette... No wait, wrong channel. 🙊
My PC couldn't handle this shi, man
HOLY CRAP LOIS, he's friggin animated now😲
Holy fuck Lois I'm cu...
Maybe a little too much now. I like the bobbing when a character is moving, but it is uncanny how they go up and down so much and/or so fast.
If anyone’s interested in getting an idea of what the English language might have looked like if the Normans hadn’t conquered England, there is a thing called “Anglish” practiced by language enthusiasts on the Internet. It’s nothing official, just kind of a hobby or thought experiment, but it is pretty cool. They usually either resurrect old English words that are no longer used, put together two native English words to make a new word, or take the German word for a thing and just translate it literally into English.
For example: instead of “workplace” you get “workstead.” Instead of “umbrella” you get “rainshield.” Instead of “hydrogen” you get “waterstuff.”
Nice update on the visuals! Might recommend toning down the "bopping" up and down of the characters. They seem a little...over-animated?
Agreed
Agreed
He's gotta attract the new generation somehow!
And the after effects too, a bit too much blurring and stuff
Agreed. They should be saved for when a character is moving. Movement might be okay when standing, but not as much and/or fast.
9:22 "My King, a second army has landed in England."
"Mīn Cyning, an ōþer here upgangas on Ænglaland..."
@@halo7oo *ġeswungen ansīen*
The animation is generally quite nice, although I think the 'idle animation' of the figures just pulsing up and down in place feels a bit odd. It works when the figures are moving though.
agreed. feels a bit overanimated
I would love a inverse sequel to this video called “What if England conquered France?”
We kinda did though, but before the crowns could be united Henry v died 😢
Hundred Years' War video next plox Cody
I'm guessing the French would resent it and rally behind a peasant girl, maybe one from somewhere in the northeast.
I'll imagine they'll be a much earlier "Great Game" between the Angevin empire, the Hasburgs and the Iberian dynasties for influence in western to central Europe, keeping the Ottamans at bay and the eventual exploration of the New World.
The union between the two probably wouldn't last long and eventually they'd split back into England and France again.
It’s worth mentioning that while it’s true that a majority of English vocab comes from non-germanic places, the most commonly used one or two thousand words in English are overwhelmingly Germanic. Words used to simply build sentences like articles, prepositions, conjunctions, and pronouns are exclusively germanic. And as for nouns, verbs, and adjectives, again the most commonly used of those, the first of those that you ever learn, are overwhelmingly germanic. To give you an idea, it’s pretty easy to construct a sentence in English using only Germanic words. It’s nearly impossible to do the same with words from Romance languages.
But this just helps illustrate who had the power in post Norman England. Words used to talk about the Church, government, legal matters, school and so on are much more likely to come from old French, Latin, or sometimes Greek.
I like the fact that this episode is animated
I kind of do as well, but the bobbing it a little too much, especially when used literally everywhere by everyone.
I think it's weird.
Can you please do a what if Britain became a republic in 1649? Great work on this but there just aren't many Britain centric alt histories, mostly just how Britain responds to things
My favorite type of republic: hereditary and with the title of "Lord"
@@koperekhabsburdzki43 I mean without Cromwell
Well say good bye to Christmas
@@koperekhabsburdzki43Yeah? That’s most of the Italian republics in a nutshell, certainly the Roman one too.
@loco4locoBah humbug!
Interesting point: William the Conquerer’s “Domesday Book,”-one of the precursors to the way we do modern land surveying, census data, and even modernized sewage systems in England and France-wouldn’t be ordered and thus the trajectory of the then burgeoning field of data collection and science might be altered. After all, it was the Domesday Book which partially inspired the father of Demography, John Graunt’s, “Natural and Political Observations Made Upon the Bills of Mortality” which even contributed to the way Napoleon III went about redesigning the Paris sewer systems!
Yoo wait why are you here lmao 😂
Yes, radically. The England of this timeline is far less centralised, far less concerned with Arts and the Sciences and far more dominated by localism.
@@Longshanks1690Im sorry but since when does modern UK arts money ever leave London? Or infrascructure money even? A more localised UK would see a culture boom.
Just look at Cardiff and Edinburgh, once they had local powers you got things like Dr Who and The Fringe Festival both international successes.
Meanwhile most of everything else is sucked into London's Westend then hung out to dry
@@Rynewulf You are citing things from the 20th century and trying to compare it to the social, cultural and artistic landscape of the 10th.
I trust I don’t have to explain to you why that’s insane.
@@Longshanks1690 Oh so when you say 1000 years of arts and science would be gone because by the modern day it would be more localist, thats rational.
But I say I think it would lead to the opposite and why, thats insane.
Youre just a dickhead
One thing about English being a Germanic tongue is that while most of our vocabulary is romance-based, all the key words we say the most often and our grammar are Germanic. You can smoothly write something in English using only Germanic vocabulary, but writing with only Romance vocabulary is difficult. This whole comment is fully written with Germanic words. Also, Anglo-Norman is the Romance dialect spoken by the Norman lords before they started speaking English, not the same as Middle English.
By the way, the new editing looks wonderful.
Probably the biggest evidence for English being a Germanic language at its core is that we compound words to form new ones and Romance languages simply don't (or do it in a clunky manner, see chocolate cake).
We make fun of the Germans and Scandinavians for doing it, but English does it too (we just hide it with spelling conventions).
Eh…. Mostly. Not fully. But you do bring up a good example about how most everyday English is pretty damn Germanic.
Also, I would add that in some parts of England, for example the Black Country (near Birmingham), the dialect is still relatively unchanged from the pre-conquest Old English.
Yeah and theres a lot of evidence that by the early 1000's in the days of Canute let alone Edward the Confessor, most of the shifts towards Middle English had already begun.
Reading Old English literature from the 800s is noticeably different to the 1000s.
Ultimately I reckon the only change is just less Romance words, not anything actually drastic
I think I like it more when it's more still and less, bouncy
Makes it feel weirdly paced
Damn the new animation slaps
😂😂😂
It's fine to think that but i disagree.
Wow, this is perhaps one of the first alternate history questoins I've ever genuinely asked to myself, when I was 12 years old and actually began studying international history as a subject at school for the first time. Really glad to see an actual scenario about it, let alone from the legend of the Althist community that is you.
A new Possible History AND a new Cody video? Amazing!
Lmfao I just came from the Possible History one too
@@Idontknowyou05Me too!
Very small detail, but when you showed the Anglo Saxons invading Britain, it was a really nice touch to show that Cumbria was still Celtic. After all, Cumbric was the closest language to Welsh and only died out in the 1200s or so
Something else to add about the influence of the Normans, many people can trace back their family to the arrival of the Normans and the later Domesday Book. Even me, genetically almost entirely Anglo-Saxon, Scandinavian and Celtic (courtesy of MyHeritage), my oldest ancestor is a Norman landowner recorded in the Domesday Book.
Also can sympathise with the war crimes ancestor part, 20.1% Scandinavian with one side of my family originating from Yorkshire with no Scandinavians in the last 500 years so uhhh, almost certainly 1/5 Viking…lotsa war crimes there
More important alternate history scenario: World in where it’s not England after the Anglo part of Anglo Saxons, but Sexland after the Saxon part.
“What if the October Revolution failed” is a scenario I really want someone to cover because it’s just fascinating to me.
By “someone” I mean Cody, obviously.
Wellll he already has a ''what if the Soviet Union never formed'' video.
@ Really? I musta missed that one.
I still think it would be cool to see a video on the scenario I pitched but I’ll see if I can find the video you mentioned.
I like the style, I really do. On the condition that it’s not too much extra work, mainly because I like the frequent release schedule and don’t want you having a hernia to keep it.
Just made my brandy old fashion and now, see a new alternate history video to Go with it doesn't get better then that
This might be my favourite video on the channel.
Not just because of the animation quality - which is very nice - but the historical overview, points of divergence, explanation of the difference in cultures and in depth analysis of how this would shape the politics, religion and literature of England was truly remarkable.
There’s a couple points I’d quibble on (The Normans’ feigned retreat was more important than Harold’s death in the Anglo-Saxon defeat, imo, for example) but overall, this was stellar, top notch work.
Hoping to see more videos of this quality in the future!! 😁
The Mount and Blade gameplay is appreciated
"William is such a bastard" ~ some guy before william was no longer a bastard
12:15 Edward is also an Anglo-Saxon name
This would be JRR Tolkiens favourite timeline.
Honestly yeah.
Needs more elves...
The loss of anglo-saxon myths and history was according to Tolkien an important part of why he established his «Legendarium» which lead to the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings! So ironically in this timeline, Lord of the Rings might not have any basis of existence 😅
@@ShadowoftheWolf123no way, in the alt timeline we would be living in LOTR.
Given the close relationship between the UK and Norway in our own timeline it's extremely easy to imagine what you're talking about. But it is still incredibly different.
18:22 don’t forget the hammer and anvil techniques of King Maekar I Targaryen and Prince Baelor “Breakspear” Targaryen
It's kinda surreal seeing this guy explain the Norman Conquest to people when I learned it in History Class
I was thinking the same thing. I had the History of Great Britain this semester and 1066 and the Norman Conquest was a part of it, obviously.
A good mix of being animated while staying true to the old style. I like it.
“Did my ancestors commit war crimes-“
Almost guaranteed. Though they just called it war
The new graphics and use of bannerlord (the game that shows battles , on steam if your wondering)ect was really well done and really improves the viewing experience
"what if William Never Conquered England" I would not pass history in class.
To us french, Quebec is our hillbilly little brother and English is our weird uncle that got stranded on an island.
And our dad say he’s weird, leave him be.
Who’s your dad?
@ The Karlings
KaiHung-wv3ul Rome is dad, Gaul is mother
Wow finally animated which is something I would never think would happen in this channel. Congrats on animating please animate more alt videos in the near future plz
One correction, while the majority of all words in modern english come from french, if you look at the most commonly used words they are predominantly germanic. So everyday spoken english has a much stronger germanic influence than statistics about words in general would make you think.
France: the BBC never told you what happened to your father.
England: they told me enough. They told me you killed him.
France: no England. I am your father.
England: NOOOOOOOOOO
Yoooooooooo I love these videos! Awesome work, dude!
Harold looks so cutesy happy with his big mustache :]
animations are amazing Cody. keep up the good work dude
33:55 - *"Did my ancestors commit war crimes against the Danish?"*
- _"Whose didn't, Cody. Whose didn't ..."_
The dragons in Aegon's conquest were representations of the mounted knights that gave William such an advantage.
@@illiteratethug3305 No, they’re not. They’re representations of nuclear weapons. Westeros already had mounted knights.
Hey! I suggested this one! glad to see it.
No joke, this is one of the "what ifs" I've thought about the most; that, and "What if William Adelin survived the White Ship Disaster?" ⛵
The animation is amazing, love seeing this channel grow over such a long time
well tolkien would like this consider he hated the Normans legacy and was a anglo saxon fan
I'm such a fan of how these videos have been getting longer, thank you for all the work you do dude!!
I like the additional context that you can provide in a longer form video. Please make more!
One of the best videos in quite some time, kudos to you!
The production quality is great
As others have said, the new look is really nice. Another video in a solid hot streak from the last few months
Nice to see the Harrying of the North be mentioned, it's rare to see it be aknowledged just as much as it should these days.
@@Embur Which is strange because it’s still the reason why there’s such a social and economic discrepancy between the north and south of England to this day, the north never recovered from the conquest.
Love the up in production quality.
Holy crap this is a beautiful jump in production value! Hope you don't burn yourselves out animating all this!
"No matter who controls England, England controls Wales."
Cody really out here acting like all this new animation is nothing big, we appreciate the effort big man, videos looking better and better
Last time I was this early, Harald Hardrata's men were still bathing in the river!
12:14 Edward is an Anglo-Saxon name.
Love the visual upgrades. Hope it sticks going forward
8:32 Notably, Godwinson collected his troops as he marched North, most didn't march the full distance to Yorkshire.
Love the upgrade in animation and audio quality
Here’s some Alternate History scenarios that I think would be pretty cool to see play out!
1. What if France never bought Corsica?
2. What if Cao Cao won the battle of Red Cliffs?
3. What if Eisenhower LOST the 1952 election?
4. What if Queen Elizabeth I wasn’t a virgin, and had a successor?
5. What if Winston Churchill never became Prime Minister?
I like the new lively movement animations and lighting
If William lost The Battle of Hastings, Rousel probably dies and my family wouldn't exist.
The day has come! We've waited so long for another episode😂
Fun fact, there is a video you can find on UA-cam, of a dude speaking old english to a frisian farmer, and for the most part they can understand one another, showing how close old english was to the germanic languages of the north
Nice new Animation👍
I really appreciate the time accurate geological landscapes.
Great attention to detail
> aliens got scared of the cuisine.
And I took that personally.
This is excellent work however, best video yet!
The aliens in War of the Worlds didn’t die of the common cold, they just ate British food.
Also some notes on English pronunciation for next time:
- Witan: "wit-an"
- Carlisle: "Car-lie-ul"
- Edinburgh: "Edin-bur-ugh"
But once again, loved the video! (And I noticed you pronounced cavalry properly this time!)
@KaiHung-wv3ulhey, we do very good beige comfort food that just goes in an air fryer.
Don't knock a potato smiley until you've tried one 😅
Love the bannerlord clips, banger video.
I'd love a vid on if the Sino-Soviet split never happened or was patched up in the 70s so much
@@conserva-chan2735 sup my man
@@sergioventura2595 hey
@@conserva-chan2735 with it being a new year do you think this will be the year where your video get made?
Did tigerstar mess with jiggle physics?
Visually-speaking, it looks pretty impressive. I like this style.
What If a GreenLand-Sized Island appeared in the Arctic Ocean situated at the North Pole
Great Video, I love that Cody is also a big Asoiaf fan.
Cool that the video is animated
This is gonna sound kinda weird but the new animations sort of make the characters look like they're from the Paper Mario TTYD remake, really cool to see though, nice one
I like that the graphics setting was increased on this particular video
Could you ever do an alternate history around Wales? I’d really love to see a video about ‘What if Owain Glyndŵr won?’ Or ‘What if Cadwallon won the Battle of Heavenfield?’ one day.
He’s animating now, he’s becoming too powerful
This animation quality feels unsettling, but I also for one welcome our new animated overlords
Yes! I was waiting for this one!
Holy fucking shit this looks amazing! I had fucking whiplash from seeing the quality improvement.
This production quality is uncanny
Cody is really ramping up his animation recently
I prefer the way the old episodes look. It has a sort of charm to it that's lost in animation.
The fact that Cody's ancestry is from the parts of England and France mentioned gives this added appeal.
Interestingly, you can thank the random pin in a calendar that is Easter to the division between the Celtic and Roman churches in England. That was decided at the same Whitby that inspired Dracula
The animations are great, especially the horse scenes!
We need a time machine for this one.
Ive been waiting for this
So if William the Conquer didn't have England, we would be more like Denmark.
I like the new graphics❤
Im curious why the coastline of eastern England looks so different in this video?
Much like the Netherlands, there was quite substantial draining of swamps & land reclamation along the eastern coast of England in the early modern period. East Anglia especially used to be mostly wetlands, more so than it is now.
5:50
"Well I didn't vote for you!"
"You don't vote for kings!"
“Didn’t know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective”
Great video and fun new animation style
I have waited years for a video like this so thanks alternatehistory hub