34:31 On one hand, I’m loving that they are more mindful about handing out banner effects. On the other, it’s like GIVE US THE BANNER YOU COWARDS! Haha. Wolf Pack Leader and Buhrdur, 6” Banner in their Legions. Hoping the new edition finds a balance for banners, consolidates all banner rules to be the same (counts as, treated as, is a banner, etc.). Because if not, we’ll continue to see those models taken all the time (DE LL, Sully, Boromir, Bard, etc.)
Random Rs take on LL is really weird. LLs should be better the open options of an army list since there are no options to ally. Example; not having a warhorn in the army of arnor is really a hit. Once you break everything out of arvedui is a byebye plus there are no ways to fit lots of cheap hobbits into the list.
Ive podiumed with Host of the Witch-King, run as many Spectres as you can. At 750, i would run 5-8 Spectres. You dont need a Barrow-Wight, they combo better with Gully than in this LL. Ive played this LL about 15x in tournament and practice games.
@@intothewestpodcast 750 points | 48 models Host of the Witch-King The Witch-King of Angmar: Horse, Might x3, Will x12, Fate x2 || 2x Dead Marsh Spectre || 1x Angmar Orc Warrior: Shield, Spear, Banner || 4x Angmar Orc Warrior: Shield || 3x Angmar Orc Warrior: Shield, Spear || 1x Angmar Orc Warrior: Orc bow || 1x Angmar Orc Warrior: Two-handed weapon || 1x Angmar Warg Rider The Tainted: Horse || 2x Dead Marsh Spectre || 4x Angmar Orc Warrior: Shield || 4x Angmar Orc Warrior: Shield, Spear || 1x Angmar Orc Warrior: Orc bow || 1x Angmar Orc Warrior: Two-handed weapon The Shadow of Rhudaur: || 1x Dead Marsh Spectre || 4x Angmar Orc Warrior: Shield || 3x Angmar Orc Warrior: Shield, Spear || 1x Angmar Orc Warrior: Spear || 1x Angmar Orc Warrior: Orc bow || 1x Angmar Orc Warrior: Two-handed weapon Shade: || 3x Angmar Orc Warrior: Shield || 3x Angmar Orc Warrior: Spear || 1x Angmar Orc Warrior: Orc bow || 1x Angmar Orc Warrior: Two-handed weapon Always take the Shadow. TO ruled his -1 courage stacks with Harbinger as it isn't an Aura, it affects one singular model, so the -2 courage on a targeted hero was too good to pass up. The Shadow comfortably kills troops and is an absolute menace. After the WK, you take the Shadow. I don't feel you need March as Compels and Fell Lights can move my opponents army around
You shit on Arathorn's Stand too much. I think it's great in smaller games. If you wanted to go for only dunedains, swapping 3 rangers for Arathorn is well worth it for maelstorm deployment, mountain dweller and around 3 extra might. I would take a banner only over 500 points.
Host of the Witch King is really toxic. I’ve played against it 5 times now and it’s just not fun. Your heroes run out of Will really quickly because they’re resisting consistent spells on turn 1. Then they’re taking courage tests at -1 every turn because of the huge Terror bubble and Harbinger. The list basically locks down your heroes and grinds down your warriors. Even if you take Fearless warriors they just get ground down by the orc spam. You can beat it by taking a specific counter-build, but that’s not fun for either player.
I really hope jay sees these
34:31 On one hand, I’m loving that they are more mindful about handing out banner effects. On the other, it’s like GIVE US THE BANNER YOU COWARDS! Haha.
Wolf Pack Leader and Buhrdur, 6” Banner in their Legions.
Hoping the new edition finds a balance for banners, consolidates all banner rules to be the same (counts as, treated as, is a banner, etc.). Because if not, we’ll continue to see those models taken all the time (DE LL, Sully, Boromir, Bard, etc.)
Wow the guest commentator was really smart and good looking too
We will tell him! 😂
I'm hoping Arnor will be brought into line by changes in the new edition. At the minimum the fight value rebalance should help.
I played triple wraith host of the witch king against Khazad Dum (Durin) demolished them.
Random Rs take on LL is really weird. LLs should be better the open options of an army list since there are no options to ally. Example; not having a warhorn in the army of arnor is really a hit. Once you break everything out of arvedui is a byebye plus there are no ways to fit lots of cheap hobbits into the list.
Ive podiumed with Host of the Witch-King, run as many Spectres as you can. At 750, i would run 5-8 Spectres.
You dont need a Barrow-Wight, they combo better with Gully than in this LL. Ive played this LL about 15x in tournament and practice games.
Very interesting, the spectres makes sense... what's the full list? Do you run the Shadow?
Also, well done on the finishes!
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750 points | 48 models
Host of the Witch-King
The Witch-King of Angmar: Horse, Might x3, Will x12, Fate x2
|| 2x Dead Marsh Spectre
|| 1x Angmar Orc Warrior: Shield, Spear, Banner
|| 4x Angmar Orc Warrior: Shield
|| 3x Angmar Orc Warrior: Shield, Spear
|| 1x Angmar Orc Warrior: Orc bow
|| 1x Angmar Orc Warrior: Two-handed weapon
|| 1x Angmar Warg Rider
The Tainted: Horse
|| 2x Dead Marsh Spectre
|| 4x Angmar Orc Warrior: Shield
|| 4x Angmar Orc Warrior: Shield, Spear
|| 1x Angmar Orc Warrior: Orc bow
|| 1x Angmar Orc Warrior: Two-handed weapon
The Shadow of Rhudaur:
|| 1x Dead Marsh Spectre
|| 4x Angmar Orc Warrior: Shield
|| 3x Angmar Orc Warrior: Shield, Spear
|| 1x Angmar Orc Warrior: Spear
|| 1x Angmar Orc Warrior: Orc bow
|| 1x Angmar Orc Warrior: Two-handed weapon
Shade:
|| 3x Angmar Orc Warrior: Shield
|| 3x Angmar Orc Warrior: Spear
|| 1x Angmar Orc Warrior: Orc bow
|| 1x Angmar Orc Warrior: Two-handed weapon
Always take the Shadow. TO ruled his -1 courage stacks with Harbinger as it isn't an Aura, it affects one singular model, so the -2 courage on a targeted hero was too good to pass up. The Shadow comfortably kills troops and is an absolute menace. After the WK, you take the Shadow.
I don't feel you need March as Compels and Fell Lights can move my opponents army around
You shit on Arathorn's Stand too much. I think it's great in smaller games. If you wanted to go for only dunedains, swapping 3 rangers for Arathorn is well worth it for maelstorm deployment, mountain dweller and around 3 extra might. I would take a banner only over 500 points.
That's a good point, perhaps we just don't play enough sub 500 point tournaments!
Host of the Witch King is really toxic. I’ve played against it 5 times now and it’s just not fun. Your heroes run out of Will really quickly because they’re resisting consistent spells on turn 1. Then they’re taking courage tests at -1 every turn because of the huge Terror bubble and Harbinger.
The list basically locks down your heroes and grinds down your warriors. Even if you take Fearless warriors they just get ground down by the orc spam.
You can beat it by taking a specific counter-build, but that’s not fun for either player.
I've also had the displeasure of playing this LL, it's absolutely brutal if you don't have the tools against it!
-Richard
I feel like Arathorn Stand is good to 450 later there is just no point