What they don't tell you is that the music industry is closed to the general public. You can't get in there unless you have or brought up with parents with connections to the industry. Either you are in the club or you are outside. So true.
Right on Andy. Current UK top selling artists and schools. Ed Sheeran (State) Chris Martin (Private) Adele (State) Harry Styles (State) Alex Turner (State) BrianMay/Freddie Mercury (State) Sam Smith (State) Dua Lipa (State). Totally proves your point.
Well spoken! Thanks so much for sharing your insights on the music industry. You're incredible for speaking the truth on these subjects! Cheers - Cyphers
Love the videos! Always interested to listen to your views and opinions. I don't always agree with everything you say, but i love to hear a different perspective and i enjoy the rants, posho impressions, and the twinkle in your eye when you stir things up - the passion you have is why i love your channel! Thank you!
With all the sharks in the music industry from 1970-2000, it's still better than what's happened now. I do think it will get so bad, also, that there will be something revolutionary happening soon in the industry, though. It's so sad that a musician can't just make a living just by playing/writing music nowadays!! You have to be a whole multi-media company/manager, and booking agent, amongst other titles!! It's inhumane. It has to change... Thank you, Andy. You are disclosing a lot of great advice to up & coming musicians that many people won't...
At 75, I just play for the pure pleasure of it now. I busk in warmer weather, and make CDs for friends. That’s more than enough for me. But I do understand those that need to be in a band even if it’s just playing covers.
What music industry? Almost every great organic movement in "rock" music didn't start the way Andy describes in the video. The psychedelic scene in 1960s San Francisco, Pink Floyd at All Saint's Church Hall, the DIY punk scene of LA/Redondo Beach, the Seattle grunge scene, the Riot Grrrl movement, the Vancouver indie scene, the Portland indie scene - were all natural, organic music movements that started without any record companies or airplay, but caused enough stir for record companies to seek them out, or caused members to start their own indie labels. Music is entertainment and must appeal to people first. Musicians are dependent on people liking what they create/produce. You can be the most proficient musician in the world and nobody likes what you play. It's not technical ability that appeals to people. Even with Eddie Van Halen, the songs were primary. And Van Halen started in my city. Backyard parties with so many people the surrounding neighborhoods were completely blocked off with parked cars. Van Halen had no record contract or airplay and could rent and sell out the Pasadena Civic Auditorium (where the Oscars were held a couple of times) just on word of mouth and passed out flyers. And it will happen again.
You have taken the door and as a result I have the delight of meeting you in the new and future medium for artists. We probably would never have met if you were wasting your time in the queue for a defunct Mt. Olympus. The old gods were great, but the place is a museum now, just custodians. Glad you are spreading the word. The current generation don't have Mt Olympus to aspire to, but in its place they have a great opportunity to create something completely new in its place. Transform that disappointment into excitement.
Sociological research in the arts and creative industries is my 'day job'. About as lucrative as playing music my work of passion for 40 years. I've had peers who have been successful in both vocations to the level of international recognitioon and financial security. I can say categorically that the distinguishing feature between them and the also-ran's (like me) has been luck. Of course they are damn good at what they do but for every one of them I know another ten people who are as talented, driven, industry saavy etc. - or more so - than the 'stars'. That luck as The Fates would have it sonetimes has been a matter of nepotism but more commonly it's been some bit of quixotic serendipity that's landed them in the right company to put the good word in the right ear. Mostly it hasn't been familial ties or rich folks to get them the leg up. They simply had the right time right place encounters and what they were doing stylistically happened to be of the moment or ahead of the curve in the gatekeepers whose laps they fell into, as if plonked there from on high. What people like good old Lars didn't see at the time (perhaps myopia brought on by wealth and greed for more shine) is that file sharing - in it's hydra-headed permutations since Napster etc. - is the current version of the tapetrading that got them in the right places at the right time to shorten the odds. It might suck to be established and no one buying product to line your pockets for doing what you love. But the underground and word of mouth has always been the friend of those of us on the margins. It's simply a fact that those who buy hard copy will even if they can get it for free because fan(atic)s love product. They also love to be part of an elite that has the secret handshake for the next big thing. What Metallica failed to realise collectively is that when you're making music that 'belongs' to a special fraternity of those that get it you don't take them along for the ride chasing success by catering to current fads aesthetically/creatively. As good as your work was to begin with, true diehards will resent you for breaking the oath; keep it honest. 'Sorry Kirk... Solos are just so September 10'. 'Black is the New Black... Cut your hair, put some fucking eyeliner and take enough blow with me to make your lack of fucks given about musicianship resemble mine.' Well and good, all of it if you've broken theough to the mainstream and only care about cash for pap. But when I was getting into No Life till Leather... tapes of their demo's coming in the post with Xeroxed covers and articles in fanzines coveted and shared within the brotherhood of snailpaced networking, I felt like I was part of sonething magical and brought everything they did up until such a time as they started to suck the wrong Satan's cock. Bill Hicks knew the deal! So all's I'm saying is that you can get lucky and still fuck it up in terms of integrity. You don't have to be AC/DC in an unwavering dedication to your sound being dependably predicable... Just change for better or worse with the music that means something more than fat stacks to you. King Crimson changed so much along the way that an outsider wouldn't know it was the same band from one decade to the next. But I never stopped buying Crimson records. If it wasn't for the good luck to have been able to check out Thrak in mp3 format, I might not have known it was there to be bought. And bands just getting a toehold are well advised to embrace pirating of your material, just like Lars and Co. embraced tape trading to begin with. If it's good enough and honest enough those free spins are going to increase the opportunity to move acrual units of good bloody music. We can smell it like sharks do blood in water and we can discern the genuine article from the fugazi. It's worthwhile to make your own luck to end this meandering waffle off.
Great lighting in this video Andy. Good balance between foreground and background. Also the blue blanket and green sweater/t-shirt debunking any notion of a Chroma screen 🎉 Great conversation today really enjoyed it.
The best Christmas trees are always the projectile kind. I guess I'm fortunate that my experience with music (aside from listening) never advanced past 40 yrs of noodling on a guitar rig that's far better than my ability to use it. Thanks, Andy.
One of your best videos. You are so right! I've been in the industry for 40 years, and once also played professionally for yonks, now I'm more in the studio realm here in Los Angeles and meet every level and type of musician, producer, writer, engineer; and pretty much none of them have been making livable money in the last 10 years. The only people that have been making some serious money have been the film and TV composers, but they now tell me they are very worried about AI taking their livelihood away. Question: I know zero about rap hip hop, but aren't some of the new young American rap hip hop artists really from the streets, really not posh or connected at all, or are they mostly people whos songs happen to make it on Tick Tock or UA-cam and then get picked up by a label? Thanks!
I really appreciate Andy, your honesty and courage in speaking truth to the powers that be in the entertainment industry, which I have suspected is a posh elite club, and hopefully it soon crumbles -becomes ‘a house of cards!!! keep up the good work and I hope that one of your richer Patreon patrons , can’t afford to buy you at least a space heater to warm your room or at least put on a real winter coat ,man !!!!!OK good show
I love these long videos. Will watch it fully later. Cozy Powell apparently did not care about his teacher being critical of his love for drumming. How incredibly good thing he did not. I would not have heard Rainbow's Kill The King in about 1979. Biggest reason i still think Cozy was best pure Heavy Rock drummer. The start already sparked question if cold weather is good/bad for drums.
I love the story of LFO (UK band). They recorded tracks in the attic of a house in Leeds. They made friends with a DJ at Leeds Warehouse who would play the tracks and give them advice on how make them work better on the dancefloor, Eventually somebody turned up who was starting a record label (Warp Records) and at one point they were sat in a car outside the club playing their tracks on cassette to the record label bloke. But things really were very different then.
Do you think part of this (not the whole thing) is that in the past there was a social stigma among the upper classes against being a musician or actor? That those professions were seen as being below their station. Now that the stigma is gone, the poshies have entered into direct competition with the rest of the populace, leveraging their connections and money.
The poshies aren't in direct competition. They are running the show just the same as they always have. And just the same as what happened in the US in 1965.
I would have thought the _real_ upper classes basically wouldn't have given a sh1+ what people thought, and that the middle classes were more like, "You've got to have a degree behind you (to fall back on)"... implicit in that, being the hope that by then, Tarquin or Emma would have put that unfortunate and embarrassing phase behind them, like that 'confusion' about their sexuality... There again though, I guess that mindset died away as the Woodstock generation settled down, after all, the one thing I really noticed in my childhood and youth ('70's & '80's) that differentiated me and my working class schoolmates from my middle class relatives or kids I met who were the children of 'posh' associates my dad knew from work (he was a 'general attendant' - essentially a porter/security guard - at a University) was that the parents from the higher strata had the money and the time (driving the kids to riding or archery or ballet or whatever) and, I guess, ultimately the clout, to indulge and encourage their kids' hobbies and interests... I certainly take your point though. I agree with you substantially more than I'm taking issue with you! As to whether it is the middle or the upper classes who are more indulgent of the performing arts - particularly as they apply to their children - is something that is the basis of many a Sociology thesis. Probably kind of analogous to how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, at the end of the day, though..?
That the cocaine is not free/ will lead to Parkinson’s like effects when older…and the girls grow up and realize what’s been done to them and go to the police.
A fine rundown of the state of entertainment, cause the movie industry is the same and even sport needs endless funding for the equipment and training camps, see Bronny James
Brilliantly showing the reality of things with that absolutely fantastic list there, I just couldn't understand any of it because you didn't do it as ten 🤷♂️
The only way to a full time living in the arts is if you have something unique to offer so that THEY can rip you off and make money from you. only if you have REAL talent and real quality to offer you can get something out of making and performing music. Just look at Ren. Ren may not be part of the 'old' music industry but he is making a name for himself and getting success with a good following and hopefully some financial rewards. The odds are stacked against anyone in any walk of life rising to the top, music is no different, there is no right of passage just because you can write and play a few songs. As Andy says maybe the route is going direct, do it all yourself, use SM platforms to promote and sell and make sure you have a unique product or niche to offer. meanwhile the rest of us will enjoy 'music' as a hobby, a release, collect guitars, build and repair guitars and enjoy the occasional pub session with other like minded souls who once had the same dreams at 16. We can be a big happy family of musos wherever we fit in, enjoy that bit and if luck favours good on you.
Sometimes just a basic knowledge of music fundamentals helps one's analytical skills in the same way exposure to good literature enhances reading skills. This then opens the door to more choices outside of the "liberal arts" fields, and ways to "plug in" to other fields. The beginning of the vid was a sly way of addressing all these dudes in the comments ragging at you for leaning your guitars against the radiators: Look Ma, No Heat!
Andy, you might want to get yourself some mitts for your hands if it is that cold in your studio. I used to rehearse in cold rehearsal rooms, and found it is possible to play wearing them.....just an idea from a grumpy old man!! Best from from Mr A Steptoe 😂 Spot on about the industry.....dare we mention Charterhouse? Pink Floyd?? 😂
You're exactly right, Andy. You see your future path clearly. Have a great evening and keep your feet warm! Who cares if you're so poor you can't afford to buy a pair of mod a go-go stretch-elastic pants?
I've been doing that googling thng for years. Straight to 'early life'. Surprising how often it's Westminster School. Those long lists of alumni ..... The middle classes fascinate me. Their training is the opposite of the rest of us. The lower class believe the only way to excel is raw superior natural abiility (think sport) demonstrated in conditions of petfect fairness where connections or what comes out of your mouth doesn't count. Like boxing. So when we realise we are not endowed with random freakish talent we accept our lot. We are trained to accept this stoically. Have you noticed they portray themselves as a bit random and inefficient? A lower class person will nwver joke about being inefficient. A lot of this will be peculiar to England.
Kurt had Olympia. And western Washington is relatively wealthy and extremely white in general. I grew up in Georgia and when I started living in western Washington I quickly discovered many of the poorest people were better educated and living higher qualities of life than most the rich people I saw in Georgia. Actually it just frustrates me in general how out of touch the white Pacific Northwest is with this country’s problems as a whole especially for nonwhites but tend to be the loudest.
Andy Edward’s the dream crusher lol cmon Andy I’ve met succesful people like mark king who worked where I worked in Denmark street and was a milkman prior. The Eaton brigade from the 90s like your beautiful singer yes we’re eton but he had talent and you can’t buy talent. Yes Billie eilish who parents were failed musicians. My father knew Brian jones and my dad went to grammar school with him and they both left school dad was a surveyor and Brian had a similar job. My dad in 72 had a top 30 song that gave him royalties till he died. I did live gigs in unis but no records, but I worked playing pubs and private partys. I was a groomsman when I left school and did night shifts as a baker. I gigged at night and worked in a bt warehouse at night while raising kids with a unfaithful bone idle wife
@ I did I was kidding I know good and evil are reversed these days, tough love or good is now appears as toxic or evil. Your right news ways of looking at music are required since the 60s it’s been a political tool, where’s as prior it was used for in articulate men to tell their gfs their feelings. Eg if you were the only girl in the world.
What kind of self loathing would make someone to drink a Greggs coffee? The humanity 😱 It's boiling in London today. Yesterday was freezing. I'm sure it's all normal.
I don‘t know how many british Rockmusicians Parents worked at the Assembly Line, but usually Artists come from rather wealthy Houses. After the Second World War there was obviously enough Work to do, not least because Programms like the Marshall Plan. So it was obviously possible for Lover Middleclass and Upper Workingclass Parents to buy Drumkits, Electric Gear and Guitars for their Kids. African American Jazz was played by Children whose Parents were keen to see their Children to play an Instrument. Which is typical Middle Class. On the Continent I‘d say that the big Majority of Musicians always came out of the Middle Class. But then Europe after the French Revolution never had such a rigid Class System as Great Britain.
I don't mind if your a posh , connected nepped up person ,as long as the music is good.what is objectionable, is listening to music , perfomed by people who pretend they working class, and they are mockneys trustafarions , just truly,deeply dishonest people, , just because theres a cache in coming from that background . They get there songs written , produced for themI could name names but wont .
Education is also disapearing up its own selective arse. Industry has worked out that what is coming out of universities is rubbish. I know exactly what you mean about being hounded out of education because your thoughts were too radicle....wasn't that what higher education was all about once??
Although I disagree with some of the perspective I agree with the conclusion. That's not to say there is not an insiders club, however, is important to not use it as an excuse like many do. That sausage and backed bean melt must have been good, saw you saved some for later. Hope u get that heating sorted soon.
You’re wrong about Billie Eilish. Her parents tried to make a living in LA as actors, with very little success, so her father mostly worked as a construction worker. No connections in the music industry whatsoever. I think she and her brother are geniuses , and I suspect you live in another galaxy regarding this view. For the rest, I think there’s a smell of a conspiracy theory in your rant.
Adrian Borland was posh and had great talent . His band Sound -didn't made success . They were on The Cure level. Check ...you have film also ..." Walking in opposite direction " from 2017 . documentary
Spot on Andy, it's a closed shop for the charmed and connected. But haven't the middle class bohos always been the gatekeepers.
What they don't tell you is that the music industry is closed to the general public. You can't get in there unless you have or brought up with parents with connections to the industry. Either you are in the club or you are outside. So true.
When you're down and out something always turns up. Usually people's noses.
Right on Andy. Current UK top selling artists and schools. Ed Sheeran (State) Chris Martin (Private) Adele (State) Harry Styles (State) Alex Turner (State) BrianMay/Freddie Mercury (State) Sam Smith (State) Dua Lipa (State). Totally proves your point.
Well spoken! Thanks so much for sharing your insights on the music industry.
You're incredible for speaking the truth on these subjects! Cheers - Cyphers
Love the videos! Always interested to listen to your views and opinions. I don't always agree with everything you say, but i love to hear a different perspective and i enjoy the rants, posho impressions, and the twinkle in your eye when you stir things up - the passion you have is why i love your channel! Thank you!
With all the sharks in the music industry from 1970-2000, it's still better than what's happened now. I do think it will get so bad, also, that there will be something revolutionary happening soon in the industry, though. It's so sad that a musician can't just make a living just by playing/writing music nowadays!! You have to be a whole multi-media company/manager, and booking agent, amongst other titles!! It's inhumane. It has to change... Thank you, Andy. You are disclosing a lot of great advice to up & coming musicians that many people won't...
At 75, I just play for the pure pleasure of it now. I busk in warmer weather, and make CDs for friends. That’s more than enough for me. But I do understand those that need to be in a band even if it’s just playing covers.
Remember kids, the tv has to be plugged in and working as it hits the pool to count.
Keep on keeping on, Andy.
What music industry? Almost every great organic movement in "rock" music didn't start the way Andy describes in the video. The psychedelic scene in 1960s San Francisco, Pink Floyd at All Saint's Church Hall, the DIY punk scene of LA/Redondo Beach, the Seattle grunge scene, the Riot Grrrl movement, the Vancouver indie scene, the Portland indie scene - were all natural, organic music movements that started without any record companies or airplay, but caused enough stir for record companies to seek them out, or caused members to start their own indie labels. Music is entertainment and must appeal to people first. Musicians are dependent on people liking what they create/produce. You can be the most proficient musician in the world and nobody likes what you play. It's not technical ability that appeals to people. Even with Eddie Van Halen, the songs were primary. And Van Halen started in my city. Backyard parties with so many people the surrounding neighborhoods were completely blocked off with parked cars. Van Halen had no record contract or airplay and could rent and sell out the Pasadena Civic Auditorium (where the Oscars were held a couple of times) just on word of mouth and passed out flyers. And it will happen again.
You have taken the door and as a result I have the delight of meeting you in the new and future medium for artists. We probably would never have met if you were wasting your time in the queue for a defunct Mt. Olympus. The old gods were great, but the place is a museum now, just custodians. Glad you are spreading the word.
The current generation don't have Mt Olympus to aspire to, but in its place they have a great opportunity to create something completely new in its place. Transform that disappointment into excitement.
Sociological research in the arts and creative industries is my 'day job'. About as lucrative as playing music my work of passion for 40 years. I've had peers who have been successful in both vocations to the level of international recognitioon and financial security. I can say categorically that the distinguishing feature between them and the also-ran's (like me) has been luck. Of course they are damn good at what they do but for every one of them I know another ten people who are as talented, driven, industry saavy etc. - or more so - than the 'stars'. That luck as The Fates would have it sonetimes has been a matter of nepotism but more commonly it's been some bit of quixotic serendipity that's landed them in the right company to put the good word in the right ear. Mostly it hasn't been familial ties or rich folks to get them the leg up. They simply had the right time right place encounters and what they were doing stylistically happened to be of the moment or ahead of the curve in the gatekeepers whose laps they fell into, as if plonked there from on high. What people like good old Lars didn't see at the time (perhaps myopia brought on by wealth and greed for more shine) is that file sharing - in it's hydra-headed permutations since Napster etc. - is the current version of the tapetrading that got them in the right places at the right time to shorten the odds. It might suck to be established and no one buying product to line your pockets for doing what you love. But the underground and word of mouth has always been the friend of those of us on the margins. It's simply a fact that those who buy hard copy will even if they can get it for free because fan(atic)s love product. They also love to be part of an elite that has the secret handshake for the next big thing. What Metallica failed to realise collectively is that when you're making music that 'belongs' to a special fraternity of those that get it you don't take them along for the ride chasing success by catering to current fads aesthetically/creatively. As good as your work was to begin with, true diehards will resent you for breaking the oath; keep it honest. 'Sorry Kirk... Solos are just so September 10'. 'Black is the New Black... Cut your hair, put some fucking eyeliner and take enough blow with me to make your lack of fucks given about musicianship resemble mine.' Well and good, all of it if you've broken theough to the mainstream and only care about cash for pap. But when I was getting into No Life till Leather... tapes of their demo's coming in the post with Xeroxed covers and articles in fanzines coveted and shared within the brotherhood of snailpaced networking, I felt like I was part of sonething magical and brought everything they did up until such a time as they started to suck the wrong Satan's cock. Bill Hicks knew the deal! So all's I'm saying is that you can get lucky and still fuck it up in terms of integrity. You don't have to be AC/DC in an unwavering dedication to your sound being dependably predicable... Just change for better or worse with the music that means something more than fat stacks to you. King Crimson changed so much along the way that an outsider wouldn't know it was the same band from one decade to the next. But I never stopped buying Crimson records. If it wasn't for the good luck to have been able to check out Thrak in mp3 format, I might not have known it was there to be bought. And bands just getting a toehold are well advised to embrace pirating of your material, just like Lars and Co. embraced tape trading to begin with. If it's good enough and honest enough those free spins are going to increase the opportunity to move acrual units of good bloody music. We can smell it like sharks do blood in water and we can discern the genuine article from the fugazi. It's worthwhile to make your own luck to end this meandering waffle off.
Great lighting in this video Andy. Good balance between foreground and background.
Also the blue blanket and green sweater/t-shirt debunking any notion of a Chroma screen 🎉
Great conversation today really enjoyed it.
The best Christmas trees are always the projectile kind.
I guess I'm fortunate that my experience with music (aside from listening) never advanced past 40 yrs of noodling on a guitar rig that's far better than my ability to use it. Thanks, Andy.
One of your best videos. You are so right! I've been in the industry for 40 years, and once also played professionally for yonks, now I'm more in the studio realm here in Los Angeles and meet every level and type of musician, producer, writer, engineer; and pretty much none of them have been making livable money in the last 10 years. The only people that have been making some serious money have been the film and TV composers, but they now tell me they are very worried about AI taking their livelihood away. Question: I know zero about rap hip hop, but aren't some of the new young American rap hip hop artists really from the streets, really not posh or connected at all, or are they mostly people whos songs happen to make it on Tick Tock or UA-cam and then get picked up by a label? Thanks!
You're making it up as you go along (said in supremely mocking monty python voice). Keep going.
Genius video. Send it to the BBC. You, sir, should be the new Master on Dr. Who. Or should I say … the Maestro. Never change!!
I really appreciate Andy, your honesty and courage in speaking truth to the powers that be in the entertainment industry, which I have suspected is a posh elite club, and hopefully it soon crumbles -becomes ‘a house of cards!!! keep up the good work and I hope that one of your richer Patreon patrons , can’t afford to buy you at least a space heater to warm your room or at least put on a real winter coat ,man !!!!!OK good show
Thanks
Still watching.. 📺
This is a brilliant video Andy. If you are doing any gigs around Xmas with Law of 3, please advertise it well. I'd love to hear you guys...
I love these long videos. Will watch it fully later. Cozy Powell apparently did not care about his teacher being critical of his love for drumming. How incredibly good thing he did not. I would not have heard Rainbow's Kill The King in about 1979. Biggest reason i still think Cozy was best pure Heavy Rock drummer.
The start already sparked question if cold weather is good/bad for drums.
Even better was to actually watch Cozy play it live in 1976.
I love the story of LFO (UK band). They recorded tracks in the attic of a house in Leeds. They made friends with a DJ at Leeds Warehouse who would play the tracks and give them advice on how make them work better on the dancefloor, Eventually somebody turned up who was starting a record label (Warp Records) and at one point they were sat in a car outside the club playing their tracks on cassette to the record label bloke. But things really were very different then.
Transformational snow yesterday, bitter cold today....Is it you Sir Shackelton?!
Do you think part of this (not the whole thing) is that in the past there was a social stigma among the upper classes against being a musician or actor? That those professions were seen as being below their station. Now that the stigma is gone, the poshies have entered into direct competition with the rest of the populace, leveraging their connections and money.
The poshies aren't in direct competition. They are running the show just the same as they always have. And just the same as what happened in the US in 1965.
I would have thought the _real_ upper classes basically wouldn't have given a sh1+ what people thought, and that the middle classes were more like, "You've got to have a degree behind you (to fall back on)"... implicit in that, being the hope that by then, Tarquin or Emma would have put that unfortunate and embarrassing phase behind them, like that 'confusion' about their sexuality... There again though, I guess that mindset died away as the Woodstock generation settled down, after all, the one thing I really noticed in my childhood and youth ('70's & '80's) that differentiated me and my working class schoolmates from my middle class relatives or kids I met who were the children of 'posh' associates my dad knew from work (he was a 'general attendant' - essentially a porter/security guard - at a University) was that the parents from the higher strata had the money and the time (driving the kids to riding or archery or ballet or whatever) and, I guess, ultimately the clout, to indulge and encourage their kids' hobbies and interests... I certainly take your point though. I agree with you substantially more than I'm taking issue with you!
As to whether it is the middle or the upper classes who are more indulgent of the performing arts - particularly as they apply to their children - is something that is the basis of many a Sociology thesis. Probably kind of analogous to how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, at the end of the day, though..?
Looking forward to hearing you talk about goal setting.
Brilliant, subscribed
Thank you.
You could always warm yourself by burning that chip on your shoulder.
That the cocaine is not free/ will lead to Parkinson’s like effects when older…and the girls grow up and realize what’s been done to them and go to the police.
A fine rundown of the state of entertainment, cause the movie industry is the same and even sport needs endless funding for the equipment and training camps, see Bronny James
Brilliantly showing the reality of things with that absolutely fantastic list there, I just couldn't understand any of it because you didn't do it as ten 🤷♂️
They're all *something* each other off under a marble desk with a big Alsatian dog, clicking their fingers to the Lighthouse People.
You need to take the Mike Nesmith approach to rock attire in the winter months😂
Cheers Mr E
I know nothing about the industry and I probably never will. I'm not sure what it's got to do with me enjoying playing my instruments
well i guess that one did the trick ... if they only could have heard it ...
The only way to a full time living in the arts is if you have something unique to offer so that THEY can rip you off and make money from you. only if you have REAL talent and real quality to offer you can get something out of making and performing music. Just look at Ren. Ren may not be part of the 'old' music industry but he is making a name for himself and getting success with a good following and hopefully some financial rewards. The odds are stacked against anyone in any walk of life rising to the top, music is no different, there is no right of passage just because you can write and play a few songs. As Andy says maybe the route is going direct, do it all yourself, use SM platforms to promote and sell and make sure you have a unique product or niche to offer. meanwhile the rest of us will enjoy 'music' as a hobby, a release, collect guitars, build and repair guitars and enjoy the occasional pub session with other like minded souls who once had the same dreams at 16. We can be a big happy family of musos wherever we fit in, enjoy that bit and if luck favours good on you.
Sometimes just a basic knowledge of music fundamentals helps one's analytical skills in the same way exposure to good literature enhances reading skills. This then opens the door to more choices outside of the "liberal arts" fields, and ways to "plug in" to other fields.
The beginning of the vid was a sly way of addressing all these dudes in the comments ragging at you for leaning your guitars against the radiators: Look Ma, No Heat!
Andy, you might want to get yourself some mitts for your hands if it is that cold in your studio. I used to rehearse in cold rehearsal rooms, and found it is possible to play wearing them.....just an idea from a grumpy old man!! Best from from Mr A Steptoe 😂
Spot on about the industry.....dare we mention Charterhouse? Pink Floyd?? 😂
You're exactly right, Andy. You see your future path clearly. Have a great evening and keep your feet warm! Who cares if you're so poor you can't afford to buy a pair of mod a go-go stretch-elastic pants?
1:48 Parents with connections in the musicindustrie gave their kids away to stay in their music bubble undisturbed .
I'm curious about what a heating bill is in your neck of the woods, say for 1500 sq. ft. house per month.
I've been doing that googling thng for years. Straight to 'early life'. Surprising how often it's Westminster School. Those long lists of alumni ..... The middle classes fascinate me. Their training is the opposite of the rest of us. The lower class believe the only way to excel is raw superior natural abiility (think sport) demonstrated in conditions of petfect fairness where connections or what comes out of your mouth doesn't count. Like boxing. So when we realise we are not endowed with random freakish talent we accept our lot. We are trained to accept this stoically. Have you noticed they portray themselves as a bit random and inefficient? A lower class person will nwver joke about being inefficient. A lot of this will be peculiar to England.
Just googled to see who was number 1 in the UK charts and it’s Gracie Abrams, daughter of J.J 😄
There's nothing with having an "amateur" career either. Plenty of medics play well and the brass band lot play very well, unpaid.
I hope you don't catch a cold in that drafty studio mate. Have you considered a space heater?
I now have a rotten cold today
When we get old and are no longer naturally cool we have to freeze our nuts of and pretend we are.
Dude I've known about the lizard people since I was nine. It's not a huge secret.
Tee shirt sales
Kurt had Olympia. And western Washington is relatively wealthy and extremely white in general. I grew up in Georgia and when I started living in western Washington I quickly discovered many of the poorest people were better educated and living higher qualities of life than most the rich people I saw in Georgia. Actually it just frustrates me in general how out of touch the white Pacific Northwest is with this country’s problems as a whole especially for nonwhites but tend to be the loudest.
Andy Edward’s the dream crusher lol cmon Andy I’ve met succesful people like mark king who worked where I worked in Denmark street and was a milkman prior. The Eaton brigade from the 90s like your beautiful singer yes we’re eton but he had talent and you can’t buy talent. Yes Billie eilish who parents were failed musicians. My father knew Brian jones and my dad went to grammar school with him and they both left school dad was a surveyor and Brian had a similar job. My dad in 72 had a top 30 song that gave him royalties till he died. I did live gigs in unis but no records, but I worked playing pubs and private partys. I was a groomsman when I left school and did night shifts as a baker. I gigged at night and worked in a bt warehouse at night while raising kids with a unfaithful bone idle wife
It was a positive video, just need to watch to the end
@ I did I was kidding I know good and evil are reversed these days, tough love or good is now appears as toxic or evil. Your right news ways of looking at music are required since the 60s it’s been a political tool, where’s as prior it was used for in articulate men to tell their gfs their feelings. Eg if you were the only girl in the world.
What music industry¿
Theres a spell casting industry with musical characteristics
If I was you, I would just be thankful for that hair! Selfpity is good! (In small doses) PEACE ❤!
What kind of self loathing would make someone to drink a Greggs coffee? The humanity 😱
It's boiling in London today. Yesterday was freezing. I'm sure it's all normal.
Probably the same self-loathing a canadian would feel drinking a Tim Horton's. Looks like identical color branding as well
I don‘t know how many british Rockmusicians Parents worked at the Assembly Line, but usually Artists come from rather wealthy Houses.
After the Second World War there was obviously enough Work to do, not least because Programms like the Marshall Plan.
So it was obviously possible for Lover Middleclass and Upper Workingclass Parents to buy Drumkits, Electric Gear and Guitars for their Kids.
African American Jazz was played by Children whose Parents were keen to see their Children to play an Instrument.
Which is typical Middle Class.
On the Continent I‘d say that the big Majority of Musicians always came out of the Middle Class.
But then Europe after the French Revolution never had such a rigid Class System as Great Britain.
I don't mind if your a posh , connected nepped up person ,as long as the music is good.what is objectionable, is listening to music , perfomed by people who pretend they working class, and they are mockneys trustafarions , just truly,deeply dishonest people, , just because theres a cache in coming from that background . They get there songs written , produced for themI could name names but wont .
Education is also disapearing up its own selective arse. Industry has worked out that what is coming out of universities is rubbish. I know exactly what you mean about being hounded out of education because your thoughts were too radicle....wasn't that what higher education was all about once??
your grey hair is due to a biotin deficiency - try biotin
Although I disagree with some of the perspective I agree with the conclusion. That's not to say there is not an insiders club, however, is important to not use it as an excuse like many do. That sausage and backed bean melt must have been good, saw you saved some for later. Hope u get that heating sorted soon.
Could be one of the pizza or the culturally enriching chicken tikka slice too
You could have made a lot of wine with all those grapes if you hadn't let them go sour
Well at least we can put the vinegar on our chips. Everything has a purpose.
You’re wrong about Billie Eilish. Her parents tried to make a living in LA as actors, with very little success, so her father mostly worked as a construction worker. No connections in the music industry whatsoever.
I think she and her brother are geniuses , and I suspect you live in another galaxy regarding this view.
For the rest, I think there’s a smell of a conspiracy theory in your rant.
Adrian Borland was posh and had great talent . His band Sound -didn't made success .
They were on The Cure level. Check ...you have film also ..." Walking in opposite direction " from 2017 . documentary