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- Опубліковано 23 лис 2021
- In Episode 355 of Things We Said Today, Ken Michaels, Allan Kozinn and Darren DeVivo interview Peter Jackson, the director of “The Beatles: Get Back” - the most anticipated Beatles project since “The Beatles Anthology,” in 1995. Mr. Jackson is also, of course, the director of the “Lord of the Rings” and “Hobbit” trilogies, and the extraordinary World War I documentary, “They Shall Not Grow Old.” And true to form, the master of film epics spent no less than four hours with us. Included is lots of new information about the film and the techniques Mr. Jackson used to make it - including demonstrations of his new AI-based audio system (MAL), which goes far beyond spectral technology in separating layers of sound within a mono recording. Lots of talk as well about the Nagra tapes, Michael Lindsay-Hogg, the power dynamic within the Beatles during the making of “Let It Be,” and other topics - and a number of mysteries Mr. Jackson still wants to get to the bottom of.
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Just how kind is Peter Jackson with his time. A true Beatles fan and a genuinely sweet guy.
He's hiding something.
This was an historic interview. You folks should be VERY proud of yourselves. You posed excellent thoughtful questions that fans were hoping that SOMEONE would ask Peter Jackson. The beauty of this long-form interview format is that Peter Jackson was given the liberty to fully flesh-out his thoughts and ideas that the typical brief press interaction simply would not allow; and, as show-runners, you clearly were determined to give him the floor, and our undivided attention, without interruption. This is almost unheard of in today's media environment. The questions came after Jackson had exhausted everything he had to say on the given topic before him. If the documentary goes onto Blu-Ray, I hope they include this excellent presentation.....simply spectacular. Thank you very much....BRAVO!
One of my favorite scenes is when Ringo and friends are sitting there in the doldrums, the morning after George quit the band, and it's all heavy, and then as if on cue, in comes a florist's delivery man and he says in a tone as if someone just died, 'These are for George Harrison,' and Ringo burst out laughing because the comedic timing of that is just priceless. I loved it, like right then I knew that Ringo was thinking, 'Oh, George will be back, don't worry, we're too close as brothers for this to be the end.' And I thought any of them would've had the same reaction no matter who quit the band, they were that close.
Thank you Peter for devoting 5 years of your life to put this piece of history together!
FANTASTIC INTERVIEW!!!! The only great thing about the pandemic is it gave Peter time to create this 8 hour masterpiece rather than the previously planned 2.5 hour film...I loved every minute! Thank you for having the guts to get it done Peter, BRAVO for being a true passionate artist !!!
Once again the Beatles podcast leader sets the bar even higher. This will be the definitive interview on the Get Back series. Congratulations Allan, Darren and Ken…..outstanding…..and Thankyou Mr Jackson who is clearly one of us Beatlemaniacs 😊
Lee Curtis 4 hours with a billionaire He could have given them 2 minutes and he didn’t. Extraordinary man
Ken M is the OG of Beatles podcasts
@@opticscolossalandepicvideo4879Could he be completing an assignment in speaking at such length? For example, to maintain the fiction that the Beatles wrote all their own music.
So generous of Peter to lend so many hours to talk the nerdy stuff. Super cool.
i think peter is probably used to people asking him nerdy stuff about the films he directs eheh
When "Get Back" does get a physical release (extended director's cut), this interview should be a bonus feature.
Did he mention anywhere about a physical release coming at some point?
100% agree. I could be wrong but this is the most extensive Get Back interview I've seen yet.
@@tommatthews585 In a different interview, he said there would be a blu ray release in 2022.
Yes I’ll be reasonable here and settle for the 57 hour version. 🙏
Why would they? It’s on UA-cam
Love that they named the sound machine learning MAL after Mal Evans and inspired by 2001's HAL :)
Maybe it could be used on the Star Club tapes.
This is mind blowing stuff lads. Peter has to be the best interviewee I’ve ever heard. There is not one single second of what he says that isn’t totally fascinating.
I don't see what's fascinating about George & John sabotaging Paul's plans; George throwing his toys out the pram and being terrified of performing in front of an audience! awww bless, and John, as we all know, also hated Paul at this point, and was just putting on a face for the cameras.
Peter is one of the most humble beatles fans ever, yet he is giving us so much!!
yep, it was truely a labour of love for him.
Peter is such a GENUINE fan of the band, unbelievable how much he shared and as he said at the end, he really was happy to talk Beatles with people who would understand and appreciate all the nerding, lol. The post Get Back session photos he showed on his iPad, omg, mindblowing, I really, really hope that he can continue to work on stuff for Apple in the future!
It's 1:45 am here in Finland, today's the day...! I will heed Mr. Jackson's advice and go to bed soon, have a nice breakfast in the morning and then watch the first part, with my heart pounding no doubt! What at time to be alive 😎
I was also born in 1961 in New Zealand, but having older siblings I was marinated in the Beatles from the time I was about 4 years old... Their music actually shaped my ideas of what music should saound like. When I was 5 years old I was given the Yellow Submarine/Eleanor Rigby single for Christmas. I still have it :)
That's pretty cool. From fellow 1961 cohort.
Wonderful to have Peter Jackson give so much of his time talking to you guys.
Came across this video when searching for 'Beatles' and 'Peter Jackson'. Wow, this is a whole new level of Beatles fandom and dedication. Appreciate the passion you guys have. Very excited for tomorrow!
I was in the street below when the Beatles Last gig on the roof was playing ,, it was fantastic to be there 1969.. Iv got a feeling blew us away very loud ,, I was 19
1969 was a great year for live Bands in London,, I saw a lot the Stones in the Park, Blind Faith, and many great gigs indoors .. but after all that it was like meant to be for the Beatles last gig that year ..
Lucky guy!
@@allankozinn192 A bit of History witnessed....
Did you see yourself on film by any chance??
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No but I keep looking since then lol
It absolutely does my heart good to see a stack of files almost topping over in the background of Mr. Jackson's space.
Actually it is Ken's space, initially I thought the same thing.
I have no words to thank Peter for this TREASURE. Going on to my 3rd full view today. Perfect Sunday. THANK YOU from the depths of my Beatle heart!
Wow--what a great compliment. Thank YOU for watching-we appreciate it!!!
@@kenmichaelsradio748 100% enjoyable!
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Wow thanks guys, absolute amazing to hear all this from Peter Jackson, fascinating insights, even the die hard Beatles fans will find something they didn’t know here, so nice of him to do this for you and for us fans, main thing is he’s settled many worries we may have had about stuff not included or being white washed and this appears so not to be the case. I didn’t think it was possible to be more excited about the upcoming documentary than I was but after watching this -thanks 🙏🏻 guys and Peter.
At this point I have seen all 3 parts. Its just incredible, almost matches my fantasy of watching the Beatles working up close! Mr. Jackson did a marvelous job, the best music doc I have ever seen by far.
.....and yes, if he's up for it, do a follow-up, now that you've seen the movie! You guys asked all the right questions!
God bless Peter Jackson for caring as much as a huge fan - which he obviously is. I wanted to hug him when he said he didn't want to be responsible for any of it not seeing light of day for another 50 years. All this content will still matter far into the future, but it can't mean quite as much then as it has to those of us privileged to have been alive when it happened.
This is what it's all about..Beatles giving memories too all of us..it never stops..Beautiful..priceless.Things We Said Today Thanks
I keep re-watching this and recommending it to people who want to see Get Back. Or to people who have already seen it. I want Peter Jackson to be given all the Beatles material. Great interview, guys.
Fantastic show gentlemen! Thank u so much, Mr. Jackson, for the great stories surrounding your xperience of making this film. Would love to meet you someday.All the Best, M
Thank you all. Brilliant interview. Most enlightening. 4 hours went by in a flash!! Peter certainly conned Disney into publicising 6 hours across the 3 films when it's actually 8 hours... MORE PLEASE!! Peter just has to get the extended version up and running for sale next year.. The longer demo versions would be great. 'Eddie" has to feature - if no video of their dogs at that time, use video of their other dogs like Martha or use photos... just get "Eddie" in the mix! Let It Be upgraded by Peter would be fantastic to complement Get Back in a blu-ray package along with a CD of complete demo songs or medley that I'm sure if the mono audio can be broken down like it has been then Giles Martin really will have some great material to work with... he could cheat and iron out any bum notes too to make something really special?
So the message is to Peter - get badgering Apple and Giles to pursue the above...get talking!!! And then raid the Apple film vaults to retrieve those dusty cans and recover any more studio recordings footage for say White Album, Abbey Road etc.... in my lifetime please!!!!
Well done guys!! Spread the word....
Peter Jackson You are a MENCH!! 4 hr. Interview…WOW!! That is OUTSTANDING!! Thank you Peter for Such an AMAZING DOCUMENTARY…All BEATLES Fans Owe You a Debt of Gratitude ;] GOD BLESS You SIR ;] WE LOVE ‘DAS BEATLES’
THANK YOU for this. I could watch another 9-hour doc on the making of this film. I'm not even much of a Beatles fan but its surreal seeing these guys goofing around in HD.
Me too. I like the Beatles. They have a wide variety of song structures but other players move me more like Big Sugar and Little Feat and some White Stripes. I think Jack White's anthem Seven Army Nation proves that I am not alone in my Fandom.
It's great to hear Peter Jackson talk. I'm Australian but our language and accent is very similar
Now there's that real love / hate rivalry between NZ and Australia.
Thank you so much to Peter Jackson for this interview and for setting the record straight after these years. Thank you, gentlemen, for this outstanding podcast. It is a tribute to your dedication to The Beatles.
This is an essential interview. Jackson puts so many things in context. The explanation of the audio filtering is so informative. Great interview.
Congrats Mr. Ken Michaels & Team for this exclusive (almost free form commentary-like) Peter Jackson interview. An ABSOLUTELY integral feature to watch/listen before the Disney + festivities begin in less than 24hours. Peter Jackson is one of us; an absolute Beatles fanatic. Apple Corps could
not have picked a better person than Peter for this document/restoration/preservation project. I hope dearly Apple uses his services for their film archive going forward.
Great interview, it must be obvious to all Beatles fans now that Jackson was the right person for the job. I loved the speculation at the end about those other recording sessions likely in February of course Apple wouldn't have had the meticulous recordkeeping that EMI had.
I can't wait until the full 55 hours of this interview comes out.
Amazing...FULL STOP!!!!!!!!!!
What a absolute stunner of a podcast guys. Peter Jackson was just the best person... and he's a Beatles nerd like us. What was most impressive about the whole thing was that fact that he was prepared to spend as long as you wanted.. didn't want to rush and it was wonderful that he gave such complete answers. Well done again
get back was a gift to the world . thank u all .
That was fan-fucking-tastic! 4 hours just flew by...well done all!
I have just finished listening to the entire thing. By being very good at what you do and being in the right place at the right time you guys have entered the rarefied and extremely privileged realm of immortality by association with the Beatles. I salute you.
I think overall the 3 episode documentary is brilliant. Just some observations, though: 1- When it comes as a physical Blu Ray release box, the complete performances (at least the Rooftop and January 31 takes used on 'Let it Be' album) must be included. No interruptions whatsoever. 2- A menu select for performances only. 3- More audio and video bonus. I'm talking about the music, which is by far the most important thing. Surely there's ton of outtakes and material.
agree! and in surround too, at least for the rooftop, and the performances that made it on the Let it Be album
Does he mention anywhere here about a physical release coming soon?
Nearly 4 hours - wow. This interview is a huge gift! I’m seriously impressed with how serious Peter Jackson took this documentary.
Peter's attention to detail and memory recall is beyond comprehension......thank GOD the Beatles picked him!!
Really great work here. You guys are all pros and it shows with how good you are at laying back and letting a guest just talk. I would've excitedly said too much and not gotten as much out of Peter. Such a fantastic interview, I really hope you all get him back on for follow up questions.
Thank you so very much to everyone involved in this. loved every moment.
Love and respect from Auckland, New Zealand.
Brilliant, had to listen to it again. When Jackson is talking about the inferior audio of the Nagra recorder and tapes it was new to me so it's educational too.
Fantastic interview guys. This isn't the usual interview done by msm, with the same questions from mostly non-fans, that barely scratch surface. This is deep dive by fellow fans, asking the questions that we would. Glad to see that Commonwealth will be in film, as I was sure that Disney/Apple would cut it out (they still might if they get any complaints by people viewing it out of context). Can't wait to see it all 😀.
glad to have this explanation even if it is after I saw the doc...it was really hard to figure out the chaos without Mr. Jackson
I for one could listen to Peter J all day. What a great communicator, sharp as a tack and so willing to share his experience. Quite fascinating interview.
Congrats on a wonderful interview with Peter Jackson. So generous with his time and it seemed like the shortest 3 hours and 52 minutes i've spent in a long time! Amazing work by all involved.
What an amazing gift!
Four hours for the ages. Fascinating material. Thanks for having this conversation.
My hat off, for Mr Jackson, this documentary is really amazing. It's well done. Tears rolling my heart was beating at 110....( I did measure it) . Congratulations and as every Beatles fan will say "we want more" :)
We owe a huge debt to Peter Jackson and his entire team. ✌🏼❤️🐞
I did have to break it into 2 sessions, but only one word .. WOW!
Fantastic interview….absolutely fascinating! Thanks!
I'm very grateful for this video. Thank you, guys! Beautiful conversation with Peter.
This interview is nothing short of spectacular!
OMG...THANK YOU. First up: Get Back is nothing...NOTHING short of a Masterpiece. Its part Time Capsule, part Time Machine, and part never-in-a-lifetime chance to sit and hang with the Beatles as they create timeless music. Second Up: THANK YOU for posting this extensive interview. After watching the 3 parts ive been dying to hear more about the process and yours is the one and only long form interview on the subject. brilliant work team.
Loved never-in-a-lifetime. Clever and funny.
Thanks for this guys absolutely amazing, we all need to do a controlled email campaign to Disney for a directors cut!
The power of pictures was triggered by the pleasure you heard and imagined. There was always so much personality that seeped through the music.
My love of the Beatles started by sneaking into the record cabinet while home alone. I chose Stg. Pepper due to the technicolor cover that grabs you…then Abbey Road, Let it Be, Yellow Submarine and went backwards. Somehow The White album had been lost or never gotten. It taught me how to enjoy, how to listen then play. I can’t imagine my experience of life without them.
I will always be grateful to Peter Jackson for having corrected this long-standing perpetuated myth that this was one of the darkest episodes of the Beatles legacy. Instead, it a glorious story of redemption by 4 truly remarkably talented men who genuinely loved each other. Jackson let the movie speak for itself and what you witness is an unsurmountable pressure they put upon themselves, and yet they emerged with some of the greatest songs ever created. The movie truly humanizes them and shows the staggering amount of work put into creating their magic. Along the way you get to know John, Paul, George and Ringo like never before as 4 completely natural and genuinely nice people. My respect for them only grew from this movie. I’m sadden that this has been hidden for this long and we have lost so many of them - Linda, Maureen, Billy, George Martin, Mal Evans and of course George and John. Thank you Peter for doing this.
wow, this is fascinating so much info if you can watch the whole video. I think the extended will happen the standard release will make Disney a lot of money inevitable we get a longer cut. especially as a lot of people who don't have Disney + will wait for a home release. A phenomenal amount of work by Peter and his team. This Man deserves every acclaim going for this Oscar, Academy award I'm giving him everything.
Peter Jackson is a GENIUS
This is phenomenal my friend's! Thanks so so much for creating this and thanks to Peter Jackson for his valuable time... It means so much to so many to learn so much more with this new Let it Be footage, I'm forever grateful to learn more. Thanks again guys and take it easy 😊
I have never been as thoroughly captivated as I was by this discussion! What a treat!
This was a real treat…I’m still gob smacked, my thoughts are reeling. 😎🎸💥
Very special episode. Very good questions form Mr. Kozinn.
What an astonishing episode. Just proves yet again how amazing Peter Jackson is.
Just finished "bingewatching" your videopodcast, it's half past three in the morning in Lueneburg, Germany. What a great four hours that was! Peter Jackson really amazes me in so many ways ( and now we know he'd make a great investigator too :-) ). Huge thanks to all involved!
This was so great -- just the sort of natural sustained conversation with the author/artist about the workings of their creative project that one craves to hear!
This is truly incredible. A brilliant detailed insight into this Beatles project. Jackson is fantastic. Please put this podcast (or something like it) onto the Blu Ray release (if there is one!). I assume Jackson will do a commentary, and I’m hoping others who were around the sessions (inc Paul and Ringo) will do commentaries. Wonderfully packed with info. Jackson really was the perfect person for this project.
3:36:30 "You never give me your money" part when Paul sings 'Out of college, money spent See no future, pay no rent' there is an upright piano for that.
Wow, Mr. Jackson is a real trooper. This is a long video. Loving it. Looking forward to meeting MAL. In addition to a great documentary we get some exciting new audio advancements. Thank you so much.
Wow quite a feather in your caps. I am truly convinced mr jackson is a beatle maniac....and a genuine down to earth guy.
Very good job and big fun had by all
Other than the Lewisohn show, this interview has SOOOOOO much insight. This and the other show are the best ones of the bunch.
Great interview! Favorite moment: 2:13:10 Peter Jackson's iPad, explaining a bit of the process using unreleased Beatles footage :-)
The pictures from Feb '69 that Peter is showing are fascinating. Wonder if that's an undocumented session and if we'll ever know what it was for. My guess is this was them starting the Abbey stuff and then later it was decided to do it proper at EMI. Or maybe it was just a day of jamming because they were in a mood?
I started watching "The Beatles Get Back" right at 12:00AM Pacific Daylight savings Time. Thanksgiving November 25, 2021! Incredible video quality!!! Great sound!
What a great thing to watch just hours before the premiere of part 1! Thanks guys!! 8 HOURS. Wow !!!
Most interesting video I have ever seen on on You Tube, well done to all concerned. BEATLES 4 EVER !.
Fantastic fantastic, mindblowing conversation that acts as a perfect compliment to the series itself. Excellent. I will say this though: I was surprised no one could think of why they would have an upright. "Old Brown Shoe"! Rehearsed during "Get Back", was on the short-list (but crossed-out) and was the next b-side. So "Old Brown Shoe" I would imagine would be the strongest contender. (And "Golden Slumbers" is a grand piano song, all the way, definitely not an upright piano. Besides, the last thing they needed for that album was another heavy piano ballad from Paul.)
Yes, there are a lot of things that might be surmised, but in the absence of paperwork documenting the session, I think what we were looking for was evidence of some kind. There’s a really good theory in Vol. 2 of A is for Apple.
@@allankozinn192 Actually, at that point you were just brainstorming song titles (that were unlikely) with no evidence whatsoever. Which is why "Old Brown Shoe" is the most likely, given the "evidence": it was the next b-side, was rehearsed extensively at Abbey Road (with Billy Preston), it was up-tempo George song (which would fit the criteria of needing another George song that Peter Jackson mentioned), it had made the tentative list that Jackson showed you, and it uses an upright piano on it. Not sure if you're musicians, but there is definitely a big difference between an upright piano song and a grand piano song. I heard a bunch of wild guesses, nothing particularly "evidence-based". It's no big deal but since you were trying to get to the bottom of it for so long, I thought I would point out what was the most obvious choice. PS: For all we know, they were playing "I Want You (She's So Heavy)", it's a complicated song, and they might have tried a stand-up piano on it. Right off the top of my head, low upright piano notes doubling the main guitar riff would get a similar effect that doubling and tripling the guitar would.
Wow, just wow!!!!
Epic! Thankyou guys :)
One of my favorite scenes is seeing Maureen and Co rocking out at the control board listening to a playback! Unlike Yoko, she didn’t feel the need to draw attention to herself within the context of the band.
Dear Peter Jackson, I do hope the footage you have meticulously prepared over a long period of time will be made available to fans on DVD. We have waited a long time for this. Please share what you have assembled on DVD - as soon as possible, together with the full Rooftop concert & original Let It Be - PLEASE!
Congratulations on your interview with Mr. Jackson! This is a great way to get people excited for the new show this week. Great work gentlemen!
Just superb. How fortunate we all are that a truly passionate and talented fan and director was given this project. The degree of detail and enthusiasm for it is very touching and impressive, to say the least! 👍
Agreed. Pity Peter didn't work on the Eight Days a week film!!
Can't wait for the follow-up sesh with Peter! Thanks, again, from Tampa!
Great session guys! Don't forget it's not Mr. Jackson.
So cool. I love the demonstrations on how PJ's team separated the audio at 1:21:10 and at 1:22:52 and how he laid out the timeline with cameras and audio at 2:10:12
i watched the rooftop concert several times. To see them actually playing what we've heard on the Let it Be album is so incredible... I've never thought of Dig A Pony as one of John's best songs, but seeing them playing it is amazing.
The interviews on the street and the cops downstairs bother a little. I hope on the blu ray, they have the concert on its own. The spit screens are great!
John however was in a creative 'dip' at this point, and Paul and George were pouring out songs at will.
John DID however have a great further 1969 with The Ballad of J&Y, I Want You, Give Peace A Chance, Because, Come Together, Cold Turkey.
John also works on the other songs. He is absolutely not as negative as he appeared to be in the Roling Stone interview in 1970.
Out of all recorded history, no electric guitar riff is more fun to play than that main opening lick from Dig a Pony.
Yeah, people, cut John L. a little slack for being a normal human being!
I'm so impressed with the brilliance of the people who are studying the Beatles.. You guys, the amazing Mark Lewisohn...Peter Jackson...quality people....
I love listening to someone who is passionate about the subject and doesn't say um and ah. What a treat this interview is.
Terrific critique of the interview delivery. You are so right about no "um's" and "uh's"
This was fabulous I have enjoyed it so much. Thanks so much guys
This interview is as good as the film
Absolutely fascinating. Thank you all and thank you Peter. I will also take this time to thank Peter for the film Braindead, creating great memories from early twenties. I just hope for a longer cut of the film in the future.
I religiously used to listen to PJ talk about filming LOTR on the extended cuts. I’ll gladly listen to him talk about the best band ever.
My observation on the GEORGE cliffhanger walkout at the end of episode 1. First as Mr. Jackson says it may be a culmination of events and a buildup from George BUT what I noticed was that it happened as they were working on GET BACK . Paul was getting positively manic and offering suggestions on the guitar arrangement. John and Paul seemed to be having a great time working on it then as the were going over again the GET BACK refrain part George had been playing this kind of A7 style dischordant chord voicing , which is what he had been using since the inception of the song when PAUL suddenly said " We want to get away from that" talking about GEORGES chord ! GEORGE SEEMS to look increduosly at JOHN and say "" get away from that !" Meaning his , Georges playing of the chord. Then there is a short discussion where PAUL says they have used that chord and it is PASSE' , GEORGE says a chord is not PASSE' and then Paul starts comparing it to "dranies" trousers! As if its out of fashion! After that GEORGE seems to mostly have dropped out of playing and just smokes another cigarrette! Soon after he seems to stand up and say " Right I will be leaving the band now" thats what I saw, watched it about 4 times in a row....
OMG this is great. Thanks to ALL involved. Peace and Love.
One thing not covered here -- that perhaps could be in further discussion with Peter Jackson -- is that The Beatles were Tolkien fans and considered being part of a Lord of the Rings film with themselves acting as key characters in the story to fulfill their contracted obligation to make one more movie (or so I've heard in fleeting reference.) They did the Let it Be film instead. Quite an interesting bit of serendipity that THE Lord of the Rings filmmaker becomes retroactively integral to what became the final Beatles movie project.
Good point. It’s true that they wanted to do LOTR - Weirdly, but perhaps not surprisingly, John wanted to play Gollum. It didn’t happen because Tolkien refused to allow it.