The image quality looks far better the second time round and I am now very interested in using my iPhone more than I usually do rather than my 4k camcorder after seeing the accessories you have been using. One thing though I notice you did not zoom in on any of your shots and kept it all wide. Is that because of the loss of quality with having the different size Megapixels when switching from main to telephoto etc? I mainly do rugby videos which a lot of the time I may be stuck at the far end of the pitch zooming in to get a good close up. I was disappointed after realising the loss of quality and obvious camera switching over when I was attempting on getting closer. How do you work around that?
@@GroundrushRugby The short answer is that you can't work around it. The zoom on your phone is only a digital zoom so it's the same as scaling up in post. It's an automatic loss of quality. Which is why I did stick to the main 1x lens in the second game and it's also why I chose basketball to do this experiment. Filming outdoor sports that way would be way too wide most of the time for the reason you mentioned. Here's a video I made about digital zooms that might be helpful ua-cam.com/video/WmqgJM6xu_g/v-deo.html
I honestly thought it looked great. I am interested in moving into a Iphone15 or Pixel8Pro...seems like the normal IP 15 has the higher end cameras that the 14Max does minus the telephoto, which would only do good in photography anyways, not my purpose. Im looking to film live soccer, basketball, and hockey, so what you shown and the tips you gave seem to be spot on. Do you know if the normal IP15 is basically just as good as the 14Max camera wise for live sports?
@@Mike_Jones68 I only made this video because I had just bought the 14 Pro Max but I don't really know anything about other phones. But I do think that you'll struggle to film a sport like soccer with a phone because of the size of the field.
used my iphone 14 pro to film my schools latest football game, no accessories or anything special, just didn’t have a lens for our canon rebel camera and utilized the telephoto and cinematic mode on my iphone. Shots came out wonderful even in low light, even a year later i’m still so impressed with my 14 pro in so many cases
I regularly record my son's football matches (soccer) using my Samsung phone and a gimbal. I've been using the telephoto lens. I never realised the different pixel rates, thanks for highlighting this. 10mp versus 50mp for the main lens! Shocking! I need to rethink this.
Great video as always. If you ever get your hands on a Sony Xperia 1 IV I would love to see what you do with it, the video capabilities of that phone is crazy.
I use a DJI Osmo 5 on a monopod and an IPhone 14 Pro to shoot my son’s basketball games, it works out pretty well. We watch the games on an 85 inch TV and it looks great.
Hello, would you mind sharing some of the specific adjustments you made to enhace the quality while recording the games. Or any recommendations? Ex: lighting, shutter speed etc. Thank you. And great video
Thanks for the feedback! The best advice I can give you is to use an app like Filmic pro, record in the highest recording quality available (Prores, 10-bit, etc.) and then use the same exposure rules as you would on a normal camera. Shutter speed slightly above 2x your frame rate and ISO at a minimum.
Pretty impressive capabilites of the iPhone14 Pro. I use my iPhone12 now, and it is good for a start. Now I am planning to buy a professional entry level kit and the one you suggest on your website seems a better option. I wonder if the iPhone 14 Pro is good enough to make footage of a rugby game, considering the huge pitch. Battery life might be a con, too. So to me the question is: iPhone 14 Pro or a Sony Alpha ZV-E10 plus a Sony 18-200 mm lens.
The action of a rugby match would look very far away most of the time on an iPhone 14 Pro. I would definitely go for the Sony ZV-E10 camera and the 18-200mm lens if I were you.
The stabilization is normally quite good. At 5:23 I explain that the image is wobbling because the stabilization needs to be turned completely off when using the anamorphic lens and I forgot to turn it off. A tripod wouldn't have helped in that particular situation.
Excellent video. I have a Sony fx3 with Tamron 35-150. Do you think for wide shots the iPhone footage would be sufficient to match with it? Would help re changing lenses.
Well my behind the scenes footage at the games in this video is shot with an FX3 camera. So you can be the judge and tell me if it cuts well with the game footage. The second game is probably a better representation.
I don't have one single price that I charge everyone, there are many factors to consider. Best advice I can give you is all in this video I made on the topic ua-cam.com/video/O3nR75VF_pM/v-deo.html
48/4=12, that’s math. Also, just because you can do 4K at 8MP doesn’t mean it’s great image quality. For example, the 4K image quality out of my GoPro is not nearly as good as the 1080p quality out of my cinema camera.
@@A.Edilbi I understand what you're saying. I know that the megapixel count is not the end all and be all. But it is still a factor. Camera sensor size and megapixel count go hand-in-hand. But a higher megapixel count is always better on a larger camera sensor than on a smaller one.
@@BeyondTheGame_E I don't know what you are talking about , I thought you are a camera channel so you know more than me , for video the more megapixel you have the worst , canon c70 and arri cinema cameras have 8 megapixel only , there are a million reason for this , but I assumed you know it all
@@A.Edilbi Im not a camera channel. I’m not even a cameraman. I’m a video editor who knows his way around a camera and has a sports videography channel on UA-cam. My passion and priority has always been storytelling and creativity. The tech stuff is just something I have to learn to try to use my camera the best way possible. There are millions of people who know more about cameras than me and that’s ok.
@@Dayy1Vision I used a couple LUTs from my Ultimate Sports LUT pack to give it a bit of a grade. But they are applied to the iPhone camera app footage too so, as you can see, there's a big difference between the footage filmed with the basic camera app and the footage filmed with the Filmic Pro app.
@@IJustMakeEditz Don't use a phone if you are filming from the bleachers. Otherwise you will lose a lot of quality when zooming in. I recommend getting a budget mirrorless camera kit instead. Here's a page with all my budget recommendations: kit.co/Beyond_the_Game/best-sports-filming-kit-on-a-budget
Great video. I recently started to make videos and I just bought me an iphone 14 pro max . I been looking for videos on the subject. What computer do you use to edit?
@@mosijahi3096 That's what I mean. I didn't know going in that the results would be good. So it could have been an issue if the footage was disappointing. To be honest, if I only had the first game's footage I probably would have been in trouble but the second game was much better and that's what saved me.
Did you ever post the video from this job? If so, what is the link? Are you planning to do a similar test with the iPhone 15 Pro Max or Google Pixel 8 Pro?
Excellente video, merci ! Penses-tu qu'il y ait un intérêt (peut-être as-tu déjà testé ?) à utiliser un iPhone avec un gimbal type DJI Osmo Mobile 6 pour filmer des matchs de basket ? Ou le grip Freewell est-il largement suffisant ?
Pour moi la grip est largement suffisante. Et personnellement je n'utiliserais pas de gimbal pour filmer l'action d'un match, peu importe la caméra dessus. Les mouvements d'un gimbal sont beaucoup trop lent pour suivre l'action de près. Donc avec un gimbal, tu dois te limiter à ne faire que des plans larges.
@@BeyondTheGame_E Merci beaucoup pour ta réponse ! Tu vas m'éviter de faire un achat inutile. J'avais lu des remarques qui allaient dans ton sens concernant les gimbals pour une utilisation sport : pas assez rapides pour suivre l'action. Encore merci pour tes conseils et tes vidéos !
Suggestions on how to record for a while when nothing happens that you know you want to keep; so you want to stop and start recording again but quickly delete the footage you just recorded because nothing happened. Is there any type of app that is similar to GoPros HindSight feature? I only want to keep clips I I know something happened in and not have to cull through so many clips at the end of a game. Right now I just stop recording after an event happens and I know the part i wanted to keep will be at the end of all the clips. If too much time goes by that I know is wasted file, I stop it, have a wait like 2 seconds to view the clip I just shot; delete it, then go back to video mode and start recording again. Very tedious. Any recommendations or suggestions?
There's not better way to do this. I mean, it's part of filming sports. You film for hours hoping that something interesting happens. Personally though, I wouldn't be so quick to delete clips that you don"'t think are relevant. I would say that easily 25% of the content of my videos is from clips that I never thought I would use when I recorded them.
Wouldn't call it Loos...how about 'not fully secured". I have been waiting for your 14 Pro Max work. We have been putting together a videography kit for Indoor Women's volleyball. Application: Recruiting / training (Hudl). This has been a challenge to say the least at trying to keep a tight budget and find the best devices & apps for this project..
What did you think of the image quality? Especially from the 2nd game where I actually knew what I was doing 😂
The image quality looks far better the second time round and I am now very interested in using my iPhone more than I usually do rather than my 4k camcorder after seeing the accessories you have been using. One thing though I notice you did not zoom in on any of your shots and kept it all wide.
Is that because of the loss of quality with having the different size Megapixels when switching from main to telephoto etc?
I mainly do rugby videos which a lot of the time I may be stuck at the far end of the pitch zooming in to get a good close up.
I was disappointed after realising the loss of quality and obvious camera switching over when I was attempting on getting closer.
How do you work around that?
@@GroundrushRugby The short answer is that you can't work around it. The zoom on your phone is only a digital zoom so it's the same as scaling up in post. It's an automatic loss of quality. Which is why I did stick to the main 1x lens in the second game and it's also why I chose basketball to do this experiment. Filming outdoor sports that way would be way too wide most of the time for the reason you mentioned. Here's a video I made about digital zooms that might be helpful ua-cam.com/video/WmqgJM6xu_g/v-deo.html
@FadeBuckets that’s good to hear! Thanks for the great feedback 🙏🏽
I honestly thought it looked great. I am interested in moving into a Iphone15 or Pixel8Pro...seems like the normal IP 15 has the higher end cameras that the 14Max does minus the telephoto, which would only do good in photography anyways, not my purpose. Im looking to film live soccer, basketball, and hockey, so what you shown and the tips you gave seem to be spot on. Do you know if the normal IP15 is basically just as good as the 14Max camera wise for live sports?
@@Mike_Jones68 I only made this video because I had just bought the 14 Pro Max but I don't really know anything about other phones. But I do think that you'll struggle to film a sport like soccer with a phone because of the size of the field.
More smart phone sports videos please!
Finally a video like this using a phone!!! Great video as always.
Glad you liked it! What did you think of the phone footage quality?
@@BeyondTheGame_E Quality looks good, that I might have to try to record a Sunday league game with an iPhone lol.
used my iphone 14 pro to film my schools latest football game, no accessories or anything special, just didn’t have a lens for our canon rebel camera and utilized the telephoto and cinematic mode on my iphone. Shots came out wonderful even in low light, even a year later i’m still so impressed with my 14 pro in so many cases
More smartphone Basketball videos!!
I film my brothers games on my iPhone XR. I really like these videos.
I need to learn more tricks to make it more like a real camera. Thx
I regularly record my son's football matches (soccer) using my Samsung phone and a gimbal. I've been using the telephoto lens. I never realised the different pixel rates, thanks for highlighting this. 10mp versus 50mp for the main lens! Shocking! I need to rethink this.
Great video as always. If you ever get your hands on a Sony Xperia 1 IV I would love to see what you do with it, the video capabilities of that phone is crazy.
Will do but I doubt it will happen though. I’ve been using iPhones for 12 years. I’m too invested at this point 😂
I use a DJI Osmo 5 on a monopod and an IPhone 14 Pro to shoot my son’s basketball games, it works out pretty well. We watch the games on an 85 inch TV and it looks great.
Hello, would you mind sharing some of the specific adjustments you made to enhace the quality while recording the games. Or any recommendations? Ex: lighting, shutter speed etc. Thank you. And great video
Thanks for the feedback! The best advice I can give you is to use an app like Filmic pro, record in the highest recording quality available (Prores, 10-bit, etc.) and then use the same exposure rules as you would on a normal camera. Shutter speed slightly above 2x your frame rate and ISO at a minimum.
@BeyondTheGame_E Thank you appreciate the feedback. Be well
Great video! Thanks for making it for us!
Glad you like it! 👍🏽
Pretty impressive capabilites of the iPhone14 Pro.
I use my iPhone12 now, and it is good for a start. Now I am planning to buy a professional entry level kit and the one you suggest on your website seems a better option.
I wonder if the iPhone 14 Pro is good enough to make footage of a rugby game, considering the huge pitch. Battery life might be a con, too.
So to me the question is: iPhone 14 Pro or a Sony Alpha ZV-E10 plus a Sony 18-200 mm lens.
The action of a rugby match would look very far away most of the time on an iPhone 14 Pro. I would definitely go for the Sony ZV-E10 camera and the 18-200mm lens if I were you.
@@BeyondTheGame_E Thank you, that's what I thought.
Great footage in the second game!
Can you do more teaching of the filmic pro and how to use it?
Unfortunately I doubt this will happen but there are plenty of tutorials available already on UA-cam.
what about If I was to take pictures, what would you recommend buying
If you’re talking specifically about phones, I only know iPhones so that’s what I would recommend.
pretty bad stabilization on the tele and anamorphic use a tripod with fluid head
The stabilization is normally quite good. At 5:23 I explain that the image is wobbling because the stabilization needs to be turned completely off when using the anamorphic lens and I forgot to turn it off. A tripod wouldn't have helped in that particular situation.
@@BeyondTheGame_E tripod can help immensely. specially if ur doing pans.
Excellent video. I have a Sony fx3 with Tamron 35-150. Do you think for wide shots the iPhone footage would be sufficient to match with it? Would help re changing lenses.
Well my behind the scenes footage at the games in this video is shot with an FX3 camera. So you can be the judge and tell me if it cuts well with the game footage. The second game is probably a better representation.
Another great video! One question.... how much do you charge to shoot a game. I struggle with this one all the time. Thanks
I don't have one single price that I charge everyone, there are many factors to consider. Best advice I can give you is all in this video I made on the topic ua-cam.com/video/O3nR75VF_pM/v-deo.html
@4:00 , the sensor is smaller , but not 4 time smaller , 12 megapixels has nothing to do with the bad quality , 4k video need only 8 megapixels
48/4=12, that’s math. Also, just because you can do 4K at 8MP doesn’t mean it’s great image quality. For example, the 4K image quality out of my GoPro is not nearly as good as the 1080p quality out of my cinema camera.
@Beyond the Game sony a7siii has 12 mp it has nothing to do with math .sensor size is not related or measured with pixels
@@A.Edilbi I understand what you're saying. I know that the megapixel count is not the end all and be all. But it is still a factor. Camera sensor size and megapixel count go hand-in-hand. But a higher megapixel count is always better on a larger camera sensor than on a smaller one.
@@BeyondTheGame_E I don't know what you are talking about , I thought you are a camera channel so you know more than me , for video the more megapixel you have the worst , canon c70 and arri cinema cameras have 8 megapixel only , there are a million reason for this , but I assumed you know it all
@@A.Edilbi Im not a camera channel. I’m not even a cameraman. I’m a video editor who knows his way around a camera and has a sports videography channel on UA-cam. My passion and priority has always been storytelling and creativity. The tech stuff is just something I have to learn to try to use my camera the best way possible. There are millions of people who know more about cameras than me and that’s ok.
Much needed ibro!! What was the lens you use for the gym ?
I assume you’re talking about the second game, I was on the main lens (1x) the entire time.
@@BeyondTheGame_E that’s sick!! Any filters just raw film ?
@@Dayy1Vision I used a couple LUTs from my Ultimate Sports LUT pack to give it a bit of a grade. But they are applied to the iPhone camera app footage too so, as you can see, there's a big difference between the footage filmed with the basic camera app and the footage filmed with the Filmic Pro app.
I film with IPhone 13 and use filmic pro. I film indoor basketball, socker games and sports
How do you like the image quality in general?
are there any applications of something for the video quality?
Yes. The same one I’m using in this video.
What package would you recommend for recording American football from the bleachers? I won’t have access to the field to record
@@IJustMakeEditz Don't use a phone if you are filming from the bleachers. Otherwise you will lose a lot of quality when zooming in. I recommend getting a budget mirrorless camera kit instead. Here's a page with all my budget recommendations: kit.co/Beyond_the_Game/best-sports-filming-kit-on-a-budget
Great video. I recently started to make videos and I just bought me an iphone 14 pro max . I been looking for videos on the subject. What computer do you use to edit?
I edit on the MacBook Pro you can see behind me in the office shots.
I am trying to make a sport demo video what setting I should use with my iPhone?
4K/60 would be ideal.
I would be so mad if I paid you to film and you brought an iphone lol
I could have gone sideways pretty quickly 😬 but it turned out all right.
Why if the results were good?
@@mosijahi3096 That's what I mean. I didn't know going in that the results would be good. So it could have been an issue if the footage was disappointing. To be honest, if I only had the first game's footage I probably would have been in trouble but the second game was much better and that's what saved me.
What settings did you use in filmic PRO?
I don’t remember but pretty much the highest quality available.
What would you recommend to video +photos for soccer games outside?
Depends on your budget and the level of quality you are after.
Did you ever post the video from this job? If so, what is the link?
Are you planning to do a similar test with the iPhone 15 Pro Max or Google Pixel 8 Pro?
The video was for a client so it is not for me to post. I may do a similar video down the track but I have no immediate plans unfortunately.
Is the Freewell good for outdoor, filming a football game from ground level?
You'll get similar results to what you see in this video. Your main issue will be the lack of zooming capabilities.
Excellente video, merci ! Penses-tu qu'il y ait un intérêt (peut-être as-tu déjà testé ?) à utiliser un iPhone avec un gimbal type DJI Osmo Mobile 6 pour filmer des matchs de basket ? Ou le grip Freewell est-il largement suffisant ?
Pour moi la grip est largement suffisante. Et personnellement je n'utiliserais pas de gimbal pour filmer l'action d'un match, peu importe la caméra dessus. Les mouvements d'un gimbal sont beaucoup trop lent pour suivre l'action de près. Donc avec un gimbal, tu dois te limiter à ne faire que des plans larges.
@@BeyondTheGame_E Merci beaucoup pour ta réponse ! Tu vas m'éviter de faire un achat inutile. J'avais lu des remarques qui allaient dans ton sens concernant les gimbals pour une utilisation sport : pas assez rapides pour suivre l'action. Encore merci pour tes conseils et tes vidéos !
Great Video 👏👏👏👏
🙏🏽
I use my Note 10 plus android phone and edit in CAPCUT and people are blown away with the end results..
Suggestions on how to record for a while when nothing happens that you know you want to keep; so you want to stop and start recording again but quickly delete the footage you just recorded because nothing happened. Is there any type of app that is similar to GoPros HindSight feature? I only want to keep clips I I know something happened in and not have to cull through so many clips at the end of a game. Right now I just stop recording after an event happens and I know the part i wanted to keep will be at the end of all the clips. If too much time goes by that I know is wasted file, I stop it, have a wait like 2 seconds to view the clip I just shot; delete it, then go back to video mode and start recording again. Very tedious. Any recommendations or suggestions?
There's not better way to do this. I mean, it's part of filming sports. You film for hours hoping that something interesting happens. Personally though, I wouldn't be so quick to delete clips that you don"'t think are relevant. I would say that easily 25% of the content of my videos is from clips that I never thought I would use when I recorded them.
What settings did you use in filmic pro
I try to use the higher quality settings.
How did you slow mo that thing?
What do you mean?
What app does ballertv use to record their games at tournaments? I believe it has to do with motion sensor
I wouldn’t have a clue, sorry.
Good question
Where is the fooling part?
It's the fact that they approved the video I produced for them from this footage.
What song is that at 2:20
TJ Hickey - For My People (available on Artlist)
Where are you from man? Is that a French accent I pick up? 🙂
Yes, I’m French-Canadian. #514 ✊🏽
@@BeyondTheGame_E Rive Sud represents!
If i was the client I'd be pissed lol
🤷🏽♂️
first😍
Let me know what you think of the video.
Wouldn't call it Loos...how about 'not fully secured". I have been waiting for your 14 Pro Max work. We have been putting together a videography kit for Indoor Women's volleyball. Application: Recruiting / training (Hudl). This has been a challenge to say the least at trying to keep a tight budget and find the best devices & apps for this project..
What are you guys using now?