Should Erling Haaland have won the Ballon d'Or instead of Lionel Messi?
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Football Daily's Zac Djellab and Dougie Critchley discuss the Ballon d'Or winner Lionel Messi and whether Erling Haaland can feel a bit aggrieved to have not won the award.
Argentina forward Lionel Messi has won the Ballon d'Or for a record-extending eighth time, while Spain midfielder Aitana Bonmati claimed the Women's Ballon d'Or.
Messi, now at Inter Miami, led his country to World Cup glory last year as he lifted the trophy for the first time and won the Golden Ball award for the best player of the tournament in Qatar.
The 36-year-old reclaimed the Ballon d'Or from France's Karim Benzema to add to his wins in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2015, 2019 and 2021.
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The moment Haaland went up to collect his Gerd Muller Trophy and they played highlights of his goals, I understand why he came second.
Let's be honest.. Mbappe was the clear winner
Oh yes I also understand that Messi was the goalkeeper in the penalty shootout against Holland and France and what a brilliant defender he was playing alongside Romero as centre back and there again he was scoring and assisting up top and then at the same time he was in midfield controlling the tempo alongside de Paul and Enzo. O what a player. Such a shame haaland couldn't do all that apart from scoring goals. And then again I also understand that Same all round player went missing in the UCL.
Why??
@@JohnMarston-sf1vk that why he didn’t win it , he was clear winner 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@lok_sabha This is best u can try my man ...type paragraphs on UA-cam to console ur self otherwise there nothing much u can do.........I like ur attitude don’t just sit and cry but fight for ur piece taken away by Messi’s achievement. You are good example
Funny thing is before messi won a world cup most people said he needs to win the world cup in order to call him the greatest like Pele, Maradona, Ronaldo Nazario
After he won it they react like the world cup doesn't matter that much not a big deal lol
Funny thing is Messi fans said he deserves the Balloon d'or in 2010 when his team mates won the world cup
@@kenrahhubchannel Lmao again? Hahaha it really hurt you all the way up the ass that he won huh? Hahahah. Make sure to zip his pants up when you’re done. Atleast charge him rent hahaha
Messi made pendu fans call it a "7 game tournament"
@@TrustMeMore well only 7 nations have won it since 1970 so seems correct.
@@kenrahhubchannel
But 2010 Version of Messi was phenomenal
Just a reminder, in 2018, Messi ranked 5th in the Ballondor rankings because Mbappe and Griezmann won the World Cup even though Messi had the most G/A in Europe.
If Ballondors were based on a full season goals, Messi should've won 9 Ballondors now.
if ballon dors were legit and not biased he wouldnt have even won 5
@@1986misfitsYou're the one who's biased
@@eh9296 not at all ribery lewandowski cr7 and now haaland have all been robbed of ballon dors that messi didnt deserve those years. Im honest its you with the obvious bias
@@1986misfitsRibery?😂😂😂Ronaldo won that year
@@eh9296 ronaldo won 1 messi won the other ribery wasnt a 1 season wonder you know. Id have guven him the dor both times. The point is the entire award is bs and the rightful winner doesnt get it most years
Haaland is a great player. Could MC have won the UCL & EPL without him? Yes. Could Argentina have won the WC without Messi? Big NO. Is the WC more prestigious than the UCL? Of course !! Messi deserves it.
Thats utter BS. The award goes to the player who has performed best throuh the season. Not just 3 weeks. How do you know City would win without Haaland? Have they won Champ league before? Haaland was top scorer in both the league and Champ league. Just because he didnt score in the two last matches doesnt mean he disnt contribute to those victories cause when opponent teams play in a way Haaland ismt used as much as they should use him, he creates room for everyone else. Haaland is the only player in the world who has constantly two defenders on his bqck. Still he managed to score that many goals. Other players at City had much more room to play in because of that. So, Haaland was definately a HUGE part of winning the treble. Who knows what Argentina would manage to do without Messi? Often when teams have one big star, the others always give the ball to that player and expect him to o everything, but it has shown many times before that when you take that star player away, the other players step up even more and often they play even better as a team.
@@In_my_own_mind You are missing the point of football. It is about the big tournaments, the big games, the big moments. Dismissing the winning a world cup as Messi did shows you don't understand what being a legend is, and this is what football is about. Keep reading stats and analysing runs against Watford or whatever you like doing.
I’m sorry but this entire debate is so silly. We’re giving Messi the award based on his WC win, a 7 game tournament. You’re literally disregarding the entire club season. Surely, what you do/achieve for your club team where you play 50 odd games should carry far more weight than a 7 game tournament. Surely, if you’re in contention for the world’s best player award you should at least win the best player of your league. Messi didn’t even win that in France. It was Mbappe who won that.
Well said bro
@@antoniovargas589 such a shame you never won a world cup, but surely you don't mind because its only 7 game. Im sure you much rather win 30 games in your local league. Sounds amazing. Now leave big trophies for big players.
Why is it so hard for people to understand and differentiate between the best and the most influential player vs the most goals scorer? Erling Halaand is a prolific goals scorer but he will never be the best and the most influential player in either his club or country. And what is Ballon d'or for?
Which of Halaands goals was better than most Mbappe goals. The majority were tap ins.
@@rydmerlin ok you go and score all the tap-ins since it's so easy
Even with that logic Messi still didn't deserve to win. He had a horrible year apart from the WC
@@mahzarX lol He was the highest rated player across the board last season no matter which you use whoscored or sofascore. He had 16 goals and 16 assists and more outside the box goals than Holland. Holland will never be the completer player like Messi. Messi could not score and still win motm and be the highest rated player because of everything else he does on the pitch.
@@MrHarrystank remove the South American players from the competition and all the European leagues would be so poor. Copa América is twice as tough as the Eurocup without adding talent from anywhere else. Or make France play with all 100% French players, they wouldn't even be in the qualifiers.
One had a billion dollar team behind him and other carried the team behind him making the team worth billion dollar....and then the third placed had Messi beside him
Wow ❤
Oh yeah because Mbappe didn’t do anything with PSG and Alvarez didn’t score any goals with Argentina. Sure!!
This has to be a troll 🤣🤣 look at how much PSG paid for Neymar, Mbappe, Hakimi etc
I am so happy that penaldo cried in world cup 😂
What has money to do with a footballer's talent???
His Balon D'or compilation video is enough proof why he should not have won the award. He is improving this season, but last year he was severely limiited outside the penalty box. .People who say he scored tons of goals and broke records are either those who watch highlights or those who only see One Football for ratings. Scoring goals is important. Those decide the match. But midfielders and defenders are equally important. You can't score goals without good playmaking and chance creation. Haaland misses a lot of chances and can't create for himself. Messi can do both scoring and playmaking.
Not to mention, he had the most MOTMs, highest rating in Europe TOp 5, and World Cup plus won multiple trophies, including league titles and Wordl Cup.
Scored many goals from outside the box. What are you on about? And not to forgt the amount of assists he provided.
@@AjatiMimiMessi twice as many assists
@@agustinbjr Ya, I was talking about Messi. I misread your comment.
@@AjatiMimi lolol u guys arguing over nth :D
Man, you should edit your comment and put earlier you were talking about Haaland because it's kind of confusing at first.
I saw Guardiola make a statement that I found pertinent. He said, Haaland's greatness requires his teammates, but Messi can do it all himself.
hahahaha u tell that to xavi & iniesta etc 😂
@@mr.flupsurf2860 Right, cause Pep Guardiola doesn't know what he's talking about. And I wonder what Xavi or Iniesta would have to say about it? 🤔 Of course I'm sure they'd agree with you.👌
@@mr.flupsurf2860 tell that to Haaland's Man city team mates as well then.
We can use the same logic with Haaland.🤷♂
Tell that to di Maria and martinez 😂 . Messi couldn’t win alone wc
Cristiano have receiving help all his career but people only Focus on Messi. Did argentina have a famous swuad? The Best? Not. So Messi didnt won with Big Star ,Xavi ,iniesta, world cup is a proof that he doesnt need a great team but cristiano wins need a great team. Like dimaria and Navas.
people forget that this award isn't for the most goals or for the most trophies. It is for the best player. Yes, Halaand had a big impact on City to win but at the same time his teammates did too and that is why in the top 10 nominees were 5 City players but only 1 Argentinan. That is a big difference that people don't see. City is a very strong team and on top of all they have Halaand a goal-scoring machine but Argentina has a normal team with a magical player. Argentina couldn't even get through the group stage without Messi but City can because it is a dem strong team, and that is why Messi deserves it.
so scoring goals make team win.
Lol Messi literally had a team full of stars
@@Oldheadontheblock I agreed. Messi made them Stars. That's why we call Messi magician my friend. Good call
Wtf Messi made no one Stars Those players play for Big Clubs for a long time now so shut tf up if you don't know what you talking about
Didn’t Messi had Mbappé and neymar in farmer league but couldn’t do what halland did at city
Julian Alvarez won everything... He deserved the award .....
Alvarez was a passenger on both competions
Lmao
Lol
I'd agree
I'd agree... But he's not a first team player for Man City
Messi deserves it for winning the World Cup and being a key part in their victory, he was also clutch in the big games. Haaland went missing in the biggest games of the Premier League and Champions League, he failed to score against the bigger teams and after the quarter-finals in the CL, if I stand correct in my recollection. City could have won the treble without Haaland, Argentina couldn't have won the World Cup without Messi.
Where was messi against bayern and without penalties
Also what about world cup 2010 2014 2018?
And how many ucl city had before haaland?
Argentina already had 2 wc and were on 35 winning streak
@@willg1088talking about this last season. Talking about 2014, Messi took ARG to the finals of the WC. He was player of the tournament then. And he is player of the tournament in 2022 - the only person in history to have won it twice. What he was saying above is true. Man City would have won without Haaland. But ARG wouldn’t have made it past the group stage without Messi!
@@aaronderyl argentina has world class squad they didnt lose in 38 games.
How many goals or assists messi had in 2014?
How many ucl city had before haaland?
Messi robbed 3 ballon dors easily
Ofc he is the goat but some players have better seasons sometimes y gotta accept that
Messi wasnt even ligue A best player or even the world cup let alone winning the ballon dorb
@@willg1088 does Arg have superstars like ManCity have? If you look at their careers ARG squad is pretty average excluding di maria and messi. Even Portugal team has more value than Arg according to fifa, so where's your point bro? Without messi and di maria Arg is nothing.
Messi brought joy to million in the world by winning the world cup the way he did. Halaand is a magnificent striker but that's it. He will win it' I'm sure. But this time, giving it to Messi was the right thing to do
They both got almost the same goals contribution though. Messi was incredible in the World cup. And totally deserved to win it.
No way in hell what haaland did all season doesn’t equate to a few weeks
Haaland won the treble and broke the record for most goals scored in a PL season
So what this is not England award but Europe
Messi is and was better than Haland because he performed in the deciding games and won the most prestigious trophy.
Besides mess was a bit ahead of Haland if you added both goals and assist so check the stats again
@@deiryperez4926weeks?? Lol
@@deiryperez4926have you heard about something called world cup qualifiers?
It's funny how so many people are quick to dismiss a World Cup as a 7 game tournament. It's a WC, played every 4 years with players that are citizens of the country (which limits the talent pool). Compare that with a two leg return played every year at a club level where you can buy the best players in the world to play for you (PSG, MC, RM, Barcelona, and so on...). You don't win the UCL oh well, better luck next year. You don't win the WC, oh well better luck 4 years from now. I also saw the goals from Haaland at the Ballon D'or and you could count in one hand the goals that were further than the penalty dot. He won the Gert Muller award for top scorer, the Ballon D'or is for the best player.
And Haaland didn't perform that outstanding
@@lexkanyima2195if you can do better, replace Haaland at man City.
@@dr.rickbooty 👍
Haalad touched the ball 50 times in all competitions last season but yeah he deserve it more that the player who single handedly won his country the world cup
Singlehandedly is overselling it a bit. That whole squad gave their all.
Did he play alone at the world cup for Argentina?????
He touched 50 times and he has 53 goals. How?
Really, what about the keeper that save the late minutes goal
Martinez di maria alvarez didnt do anything and lets not bring it the refs carrying argentina lol
Deserved winner. The vote is done by hundreds of top sports Journalists from all over the world, most of whom aren't in communication with each other. It's not just from some comity in France. It's not done by Fans. Messi is his team and single handedly carries. Haaland is the crown Jewel in an extremely, "well oiled machine"; excuse the pun. The difference in leadership, experience, ability to inspire and single handedly ability to win games cannot be compared.
top sports journalists from around the world?
ill correct that for you
a single journalist from each country
There is no doubt that the one who deserves the honor is Messi!
Messi is not only better because of the records he has repeatedly set, he is also an all-around great player who can lead the team to win. Just looking at it, no one can match it!
Messi is the most complete player that ever lived. He continues to play at his most complete level that Haaland is not capable of. Messi creates, scores from incomprehensible positions, passes as if laser guided, and scores from free kicks at will and at key moments of games. Haaland is undoubtedly one of the best strikers that ever lived, but he depends on service and strength. I agree with Guardiola, Messi can do things by himself and it’s magical, Haaland needs and relies on his teammates to score goals. I’m glad that this award rewards talent for the sake of talent and is not a “share the merit” award.
Thats incorrect, Cristiano Ronaldo is more complete. Name me 1 thing Ronaldo can NOT do.
@mathijs463 you mocking Ronaldo right? He's simply another Haaland or Mbappe but slower. That's why he's not even invited this time. Stop mocking him man, Ronaldo is a good man
@@huyle9988 This is the exact reaction from someone who started watching him when he was WAY past his prime. I was obviously talking about prime Ronaldo.
@@Masim443there is a reason why Messi doesn't have 13 Ballondor , if it wasn't for him 😂
He had 6 goals for PSG the World Cup doesn’t count for the 2023 campaign
To Haters and plastic fans of FOOTBALL They said: "It's not a senior career trophy. Show us the senior level world cup trophy."
Messi won the Olympic Gold in 2008: They said: "Olympic tournament isn't organised by FIFA. It's not a FIFA tournament."
Messi lost World Cup final in 2014. No one said Messi is a FIFA boy. No one said it's scripted. Everyone trolled his world cup final lost moments.
Messi lost 2007, 2015, 2016 Copa America finals. No one showed sympathy. Rather all of them criticised him for an senior career internationaltrophy. Everyone made him club legend, though he was the Argentina's leading all time top scorer.
Later, Messi won Copa America in 2021.
Suddenly, that international trophy (Copa America) became a Micky Mouse trophy. The trophy lost its value suddenly. They tried to show that European champions are stronger.
Messi won the Finalissima in 2022. Messi's Argentina beat European champions Italy. They started saying "Italy didn't qualify for world cup. It's not a strong team. European strong teams are France, Netherlands, Belgium bla bla bla..."
Finally Messi won the world cup 2022. Messi's Argentina beat European Giants Netherlands in Quarter finals, Croatia in Semi finals, France in Finals.
They are now saying "Messi is a FIFA boy, everything is scripted. Messi buys everything."
Where was FIFA when Messi lost 3 consecutive finals? Where was FIFA when Messi took retirement from football? Where was FIFA when France got 2 penalties in the world cup final?
You are the same guy who trolled Olympic gold medal winning campaign, because it was not a directly FIFA organised tournament.
When Messi took retirement from football ? Where was FIFA when France got 2 penalties in the world cup final?
You are the same guy who trolled Olympic gold medal winning campaign, because it was not a directly FIFA organised tournament.
You are the same guy who trolled Messi for winning FIFA Youth World Cup in 2005. Now Messi won FIFA organised Senior career world cup. But you guys making new theory.
Actually I am talking about the most shameless fan base in the history of football. You guys pollutes football. Stop supporting it. It's not your GAME. 😌👉☮️🌎❤️👈👏👏👏👏👏
Dude they are hurt, Let them cry. otherwise they will have metal health issue.
Wow I can't fallow up with what u said cause its perfect they are the worst fans ever Ronaldo isn't present in the race anymore so they jumped on to the next best thing to fight against messi
bro wrote a whole essay 💀having to defend your idol so much shows ur insecurity. Greatest fraud of all time
Olympic is not a senior trophy 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
@@Robinh189 yea and what's ur point does cr7 have one or most footballers
There is a big difference between a great goal scorer and a great player . Messi deserved it thoroughly.
you are full of it. the sentimentality in football is sickening. this time Haaland deserved it. his stats on goals and assist, and trophies makes Haaland the absolute clear winner. Messi is fading away in a trashy league now aswell.
There is a big difference in which position they play.
So according to you, Strikers, Defenders and Goal keepers can never win Ballon dors because they dont play like wingers and Midfielders?
English media has latched onto another personality who plays in their league and would hype them up above the clouds in the coming years,like they did with Ronaldo.The saga continues
Haaland wins treble, breaks records, best striker in the world. Pessi fans continue to amaze
Dumb argument. If anything Haaland made the prem look bad. He came into the prem in his first season at 22 years old and became the record goal scorer. A lot of English pundits were saying he was going to struggle in his first season. Haaland doesn’t really make English football look good tbh.
Let’s get one thing straight premier league on a completely different level to ligue 1 Newcastle 4-1… says it all so is Messi stats outside the World Cup relevant to haaland no.. so it’s the World Cup made Messi win ballon dor so is the World Cup worth a treble and breaking premiership goal scoring record is the question everyone has to ask themselves for me no World Cup lasts 4 weeks treble lasts all season
@angrychickenyt what did Haaland do in CL semifinal and final?! Zero! Absolutely nothing! KDB was the key man, not him; without KDB's assists he wouldn't have broken all these records. What did he do on International level?! Zero! The people who voted are from everywhere, it's not up to you, it's not up to me. Also, present and former professional footballers said that Messi deserved it. Your lack of understanding it's juvenile.
Let's see what Haaland will do this year, can he keep the momentum?! I doubt it, however it will be good to see him doing something close to last year's performance
@@angrychickenyt Alvarez won VEERYTHING.
Messi winning a treble would be bigger than Halaand winning the world cup
Factos.
Ribery won a treble but they awarded... Ronaldo?? When did he win a World cup?
@@freakmagnet2737 I think you missed his point. He's saying Bdor is a popularity contest as long as Messi or even Ronaldo are in the top 3. The criteria will always bend to make either of them win. It has nothing to do with football I think UEFA mens award are more fair when it comes to celebrating the best footballers. I mean look at it Van Dijk, Ribery, Iniesta and even Halaand, maybe because it hard to argue against wc, all of them won it when they should've won the Bdor instead.
@@freakmagnet2737 Sneijder won the treble and took Netherlands to the WC final and? Who did they give it to? To someone who ghosted in the entire WC and the UCL semi-final against the same Inter Milan that Sneijder won the treble with?
Goalscorers come and go,cristiano, haaland,lewandowsky
But the maradonas the messis the cruyfs are in a league of their own.
Haaland does one thing, really really well. Messi did a lot more than just score goals, and winning on the biggest stage is one of them. Haaland had a great year, and in any other year he probably wins. (For any cycling fans, the name Poulidor comes to mind) Sometimes being great is not good enough.
What did messi do exactly besides the 5 weeks of a tournement?????
Messi got more g/a than halland he carried the wc and inspired his entire county and alit of the planet with his football. Halland is a tap in merchant go watch both players you simply cannot compare them to messis greatness
No good enough, what else he could have won tell me? Win a world cup with Norway😂😂😂?
A genuine question to those who think Haaland deserved it over Messi, This year the WC was the biggest tournament, lets take the example of a non WC year when the UCL is the biggest tournament, would you give the Balondor to someone who didn't even play yhe UCL that season over someone who played and dominated the UCL and also won the UEFA POTY?
More Establishment rob City
More Establishment get exposed 😂
Your questions starts by sounding like your on favour of Haaland not getting the award and ends with the support he should?
My opinion is Haaland should have won based on there overall seasons and based on how others have won the award.
2010 Messi won the award but didn't win the CL or WC shouldn't have won in my opinion
2018 Modric won by winning the CL and reaching the WC final shouldn't have won in my opinion either.
The WC shouldn't have the impact it seems to have yes let it support it but not to the extent that it does.
@@phoenix_club_gaming9428 My argument supports Haaland only in a non WC year, in this case it's a WC year so Haaland was not even playing in the biggest tournament, How can he win it over someone who not only played but also won it, Messi produced one of the most dominant WC campaign ever.
In 2010 no one from Spain produced a campaign even remotely close to what Messi did in 2022 WC so Messi won it, anyway in those days Balondor used to favour outright individual performances.. it all changed to team trophies since 2016 when Madridistas started crying about Messi's Balondor lead over Cristiano
@kumarayush9950 I understand it more now Thank-you for clearing that up. That's not his fault tho he can only play in the tournaments he's in. Abit like Messi in 2016 with it being a Euro year if he would have had the same year he did previous (2015) what he shouldn't have win it because he didn't get to play in a tournament his nation are not eligible to play? These players aren't going to get the same privilege as Messi because there from weaker nations, I agree Messi had easily the best WC performance from start to finish I've ever seen but the WC is only 3-4 weeks out of a while season. Of the WC boosts him up his club level should pull him down he was dreadful it was like he didn't even turn up at times as he was saving himself for the WC. And I agree the 2010 WC no one was at Messis level compared to this year but my point is it always goes on either who won the CL or who won the WC and it shouldn't be that way. I'm a Utd fan and a RM fan and I wouldn't say people cried over Messis lead over Ronaldo when it was 4-1 before 2013. There's no dought Messi has 2 or 3 Ballon D'ors that scoring wise he shouldn't. If it was even across the board he wouldn't have the 2010, 2021 or 2023 I'd still give him the 2019 one. As I would Ronaldo the 2013 and 2014 one when people say he shouldn't have them. But that's where our arguments differ some say Ribery should have got 2013, and Neur 2014 but my argument abit similar to yous really is no one did what Ronaldo do those years. He scored 60+ goals for 5 consecutive years. I feel for Haaland I really think he should have got it. Maybe I'm wrong
@@phoenix_club_gaming9428 There's only one side you can pick not both if you're saying Messi shouldn't have got 2023 and 2021 Balondors then Cristiano shouldn't have got 2016 and 2017 Balondors as Messi easily was statistically and by gameplay the best player of those two years.
The other scenario is big team trophies + individual performance so if you're on this boat and saying Messi shouldn't have won 2010 award then Ronaldo shouldn't have won 2013 award, hell Messi won la liga and CDR in 2010, Ronaldo went trophyless in 2013 but still won it.
Also, regarding this year i really hate the downplay from Cristiano fans but Messi had 38 Goals + 25 Assists for club and country last season out of which 11 Goals and 7 Assists (18 G/A) were in the WC and UCL, if after all this he doesn't deserve it then Haaland doesn't either
Yes. I'm guessing world cup was the only football tournament during 2022 season. If France had won world cup, I'm sure Mbappe wouldn't win this, it would be Halland. So make it make sense.
Then u should win world cup dumb fvck you don't understand football ...world cup is for the world club games r for fans..you can't come any dumber
So many world cup winners without Ballon d'Or. This has left a lot of questions.
@@PontshoLekgetho so many world cup winners were not Messi
@@PontshoLekgethonot every world cup winner had 63 g/a and won 3 trophies that season 😂
if france had won it, mbappe would have been the clear winner, he is not that much behind haaland in terms of stats, and he played pretty well for france, and he is a much more complete player. if haaland ever won the ballon d'or with these types of goals while not being able to contribute to the team in any other way, it would be a disgrace to everyone else competing.
What Messi achieved in that would cup was unbelievable his performances throughout were just pure class a true icon of football. Haaland very unlucky but sometimes you just need to sit back and admire greatness
He scored some pens lol... wow great achievement that
@dannyalexander6197 Well you clearly didn't watch any of the games 👏
Penalty for Argentina
I also must have missed the diving, the handballing against holland in the middle of the pitch (no red cards) kicking the ball at the dutch bench amongst other things argentina got away with to make it to the final 😂
@dannyalexander6197 Based on your most recent speech you clearly didn't watch the world cup so good day to you sir 🐓
Things on which Messi was superior to Haaland:
• Delivered in the biggest moments. Was Argentina's most decisive player in the World Cup victory, while Haaland ghosted in the final stages of both the FA Cup and the Champions League.
• Most involvements in the creation of goalscoring chances for his club (both directly and indirectly). Additionally, he was easily the league's best playmaker.
• Higher number of individual awards, including MoTM. Moreover, he was voted for by his peers (coaches + captains) and media as the best footballer - FIFA Men's Player of the Year award.
• Superior combined individual performances club + country.
• Only footballer ever to win the Laureus World Sportsman. Won it for the second time.
• Highest rated player in basically every footballing rating site, with an average of 8.25.
Not to mention the fact that, in terms of pure footballing skills, old man Messi is (still) miles ahead of Haaland. A fact that is acknowledged even by Messi's haters.
Thank you. Well found and well put.
The greatest to ever do it ❤
Of course NOT. It's for the BEST Player in the world and not the best goal scorer. Otherwise players like Robert Lewandowski would have won it multiple times. I do feel sorry for Haaland as he is going to be hearing; "and in first place and winner of this years Ballon d'Or is Jude Bellingham" for years to come.
Lewandowski was supposed to win 2 already but they cancelled one and gave the other to Messi. Not the first time Messi takes a trophy home whenever everyone that knows ball knows someone else deserves it.
That world cup win was well deserving of the ballon dor. Congrats again messi ❤
Iniesta and Xavi won world cup in 2010, they gave it to Messi
Manuel Nuer and Thomas Muller won World cup in 2014, they gave it to Ronaldo
Antoine Griezman and Mbappe won world cup in 2018, they gave it to Modric
But when Messi won it. He deserves it ahead of Haaland?
So we will forget that we had just seen the greatest Debut season in football history. Came to a completly new team in the HARDEST LEAGUE, and managing to break records after records in the Premier league, breaking records in UCL. Being the best player in PL, as well as Undouptly the best Forward of UCL. PL top scorer and UCL top scorer, won the Treble which is a 7% chance City would have won. Winning awards after awards. And you give it to a player just because he won the World Cup?
Messi's goals are on another level to Haalands, Messi is a playmaker and his assists are out of this world
It was just a popularity contest award between Ronaldo and Messi. Now that that saga is closed, we'll see who the Messi meat riders go for next.
😂😂Tell me who was better than them between 2008 and 2021
@@eL--RaL Lewandowski, Van Dijk e
@@Samuel-cr9mc Did you watch 2018/2019?? .. messi was on god mode that season..WTF are you smoking?? You are just listing the current media narratives..You don't even know what you are talking about kid
@@eL--RaL The sweet thing about this as at least this will be the last time Messi ever wins this award😂! Now who will be your new daddy kid??
You are a cry baby, so get your candies and shut up.
This is the same ol' English sentiment. Haaland doesn't even come across to anyone as the best player in the City team yet alone the world.
well you dont watch football 😂😂
you need to stop watching the back of your TV
The award is not about who is the best in the world, if that is the case Messi would have won it more than 7 times before yesterday
@@GermanChickenwing Its about who was the best in the world that year and that was haaland nobody doubts it either
Dude you delusional
Messi deserve this balloon d'or 💯% 🎉🎉
If the world cup so easy, every team will win it -Leonel Messi
6-or 7 nations has won it since 1970 (only big nations) UCL more than 20 different clubs
Want to win WC, better have luck and be born in a big nation.
With help of refs anyone can win
Even south korea almost won in 2002 if they didnt face legendary brazil team
Halaand was non existent in UCL & FA cup final last year when it mattered!
Leo Messi was exceptional in the big stage of 2022 World Cup! Leo also had a good season with PSG (21 goals and 20 assists which could be considered very good by many English players standard).
Don't forget that football is more than scoring goals!
English media keep over hyping players just because they are playing in the premier league. What a shame!
Haaland is the top scorer in ucl
While pessi got destroyed early by bayern
Messi was exeptionel with gifted penalties
Penalty for Messi
Would they of given messi the ballon d’or if he did what haaland did? The answer is yes It’s a pure popularity contest!
And if my gran had wheels then she’d be a fking bicycle
Its true that scoring goals is of utmost importance as a game of competition. Both players were and are still good , but in all honest Messi is a joy to watch , a master in his chosen carrier . The quest to be the best there's put him above others , age notwithstanding Messi still put in maximum work to carry the entire squard along . Halland is a goal machine but in terms of dexterity and exquisite beauty of the game of soccer, we are all sold out to Messi.
Bro i agree, but that's basically you admitting Messi won it bcus he's Messi.
so why didn't Ineista win it in 2010?
😂😂😂For what?? What did Iniesta do that Xavi, Fabregas, David Silva, Casillas and Ramos didn't do in 2010 world cup?? You are just using his name becuz he's scored in the final 😂
0 Ball knowledge 😂
No he makes a good point because why did Modric win it in 2018? Because he won the CL and reached a WC final?
@@eL--RaLIdiot, Fabregas and David Silva were substitutes, not starters in the world cup. Proof that you have no idea or knowledge about football. Get your facts right first before typing nonsense.
But why did Modric won in 2018 since Messi scored 51 goals and was topscorer for the whole Europe top5 leagues.
@@eL--RaL Talking about Ball Knowledge 😂😂😂😂
just a reminder that when spain won the World Cup in 2010. Ineasta lost the balloon d'or .In my opinion, the balloon D'or is just unfair
Xavi was the best Spanish player in that WC.
David Villa fue el mejor! Messi fue el mejor jugador en TODOS los partidos que jugó en el mundial.
Also a reminder he did do OK in the 2010 wc but he did nothing for Barcelona. Messi performed well for psg and carried argentina to a wc win.
Lmao. "Well for PSG" IS RUBBISH. He did nothing for PSG 15 Goals is not "Well" For a Ballon D'or. stop the cap@@grim9501
Iniesta wasn't the most important player on Spain 2010, nor the captain.
Yes , because had been any other player but Messi . Haaland would have been celebrating last night . It’s time we stopped letting journalists only vote , a change is needed .
Cry in private
But it is Messi, so Mr Tap-ins isn't celebrating 😂 and uts deserved, considering he destroyed the best defender in the World Cup and dragged that team to a WC final and won. A monumental effort. Scores great goals and fed Mbappe with insane assists all season. Biggest player got the biggest award.
The reason why journalists are only allowed to vote is because Ribery got robbed of his Ballondor even though Ronaldo won 0 trophies that year
@@mrfacts6860 🤣
@@matthewparker7909You are just proving his point..
It’s world cup d’or. It should be held after world cup not each year because club performance doesn’t matter anymore..
Both Haaland and Messi deserved the award everyone who voted for Messi knew that, unfortunately there can only be one winner, it was not easy for voters .
I really think so because it made realize today’s ago Haaland deserve it before J said Messi but this time is Haaland
HERES THE QUESTION FOR ALL THOSE WHO THINK HAALAND DESERVED TO WIN. WHERE WAS HE IN SEMI FINALS AND FINALS OF CL?
Listen now to this dxck head stupid comment 🙆🏽♂️🤣🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ .
Rather Shxt Up ! You sound stupid.
Easy answer. He was litterly ignored in those two matches because City played mostly sideways and backwards and he had had maybe one or two chances (not big) in those two matches. Look, you obviously dont know football. Forstly, the award is supposed to go to the player who has performed best through the season. Not just 3 weeks or 2 matches. Haaland was top scorer in both the league and Champ league. Just because he didnt score in the two last matches doesnt mean he disnt contribute to those victories cause when RM and Inter played in a way Haaland wasnt used as much as they should use him, he created lot of room for everyone else. Haaland is the only player in the world who has constantly two defenders on his back. They follow him whenever he starts to move. Still he managed to score that many goals. Other players at City had much more room to play in because of Haaland in those two matches. So, Haaland was definately a HUGE part of winning the treble. Only fools demand a player to score in every game to contribute.
@@In_my_own_mindit's all about tactics.
And he was still the top goalscorer of CL and helped City win their FIRST EVER CL trophy in his FIRST season. Not to mention the treble and the all time PL record and the Europe top goalscorer in all the leagues and all comp
where was messi for 90% of the season
Messi deserved the award for 3 pure logical reasons:
1. The WORLD Cup is the most competitive tournament and includes the best players all around the world.
2. If Haaland showed greatness at the end of the period Oct 2022 -Oct 2023, in that same period but at the begining, Messi showed greatness too but at in a higher level (the highest) tournament, the WORLD Cup.
3. At 36, Messi has shown again he is the most complete football player, not only scoring goals but, also dribling, scoring with free kicks, creating plays and asisting with great passes to other players and specially raising up his teams with great leadership, something that Haaland hasn't achived yet.
Messi must've had a Bal On Dor guarantee clause in his Miami contract. No way he should win that when the other guy won a Treble.
Congratulations Messi 👑🏆🐐❤️🥂🤝🤝🤝
Had the stats been reversed... Messi winning a 1st champions league and treble for ManCity he wud still hv won hands down... so it's not really about world cup or whatsoever performances but popularity
fifa son
Because tap in goals and playmaking is different understand ball
even if haland had slightly more g/a messi created more chances to goal ,more forward movement ,and he has the average score and overall score
5 penalties really did win him the ballon dor, nowadays ballon dor has lost it credibility 👍
Why these people who don't have football knowledge talks about only goals. Messi was doing everything, scoring, assisting, playmaking. The goals Messi scores were freekicks, outside the boxs etc. Messi had record 5 man of the match in single world cup, Messi had more man of the match award in top 5 league in 2022- 2023 season. Messi campaign was not successful as they were unable to win champions league however they won league title, french super cup. What more do he need to do he is competing with his past achievements.
without a doubt Messi deserved it ..World Cup always the most important tournament
Sure, and Julian Alvarez won it too, alongside the treble, so why hasn’t he won it according to your stupid logic?
@@rocheekanga8672got carried in club
Messi won the World Cup; Haaland won the UCL. In the eyes of the football establishment, the WC trumps the UCL. That said, in my humble opinion the quality of football in the UCL is far superior to the WC, which is like a series of exhibition games. Also, we have to consider that Haaland is an out-and-out goalscorer, Messi has much more to his game. Just my point of view.
UCL is superior......Are you kidding...Warriors are the ones who fight for their country....Club is like playing with your friends to obtain respect....But the World Cup is the foundation of who is the real Warrior.....My opinion.
I did say in my "humble opinion." It's my opinion and, having watched football for 66 years, I think I'm entitled to that sir, as you are yours. I respect your position, but I'd rather watch Real Madrid against Bayern Munich than any two countries any day! I wish you the best!@@JeromeBuamaebatholo-nr9md
Wc Is By Far The Toughest Greatest Competitive Special Real Tournament
Well Messi, you played much better with Barcelona than with Argentina. If Argentina played Pep's Barcelona, I'd have my money on Barca.@@Messi-dh9zg
Messi won ballon d'or in 2010 in a year he did not win world cup and contributed 0 goals in the world cup for Argentina. What happened to needing to have a strong world cup that year? Criteria is constantly shifting to favor messi. Even in world cup golden ball, losers have been winning this award since 1998. In 2022, world cup loser Kylian Mbappe has the greatest world cup loser performance of alltime. Hat trick in the final, beat the so called greatest goalkeeper in world 4 times in final. Criteria changes, suddenly you need to win world cup to win golden ball because Messi win.
When Messi was in his prime? He won the Ballon Dor
When Spain won the WC? Messi scored 47 goals + won the Ballon Dor
Now Messi is no longer the best player he still won the Ballon Dor!
There is absolutely no consistency on who wins!
As a player, you cant compare Halland to Messi. Scoring goals inside the box is one thing, but i cant remember Hallands dribbling thru opponents half of the field and delivering goal that way. He is a great goal scorer, not a great player. Most won’t know the difference, only few will, who knows game of football.
They says "Messi doesn't deserve Ballon Dor."
54 matches👕
38 goals ⚽️
25 Assists🅰️
4 free kicks 🎯
5 penalty kicks ⛳️
76 mins per goal contribution
149 Chances created
6 braces⚽️
1 hat-trick ⚽️
31 matches scored
3 goals finals 🐐
8 goals in knockouts✅
WC winner🏆
Ligue 1 winner🏆
French Super Cup winner 🏆
FIFA Best 🥇
Laureus as the best athlete in the world 🥇
WC PoT 🥇
MotM WC Final🥇
BBC best player🥇
World Soccer best player🥇
IFFHS Player of the Year 🥇
l'équipe best athlete 🥇
IFFHS Best playmaker🥇
THE SUN best player🥇
GOAL 50 best player 🥇
AIPS MEDIA BEST ATHLETE 🥇
IFFHS Top International Scorer 🥇
MotM French Supercup Final 🥇
The Guardian best player🥇
ESPY best football player in the world🥇
Ligue 1 best foreign player 🥇
Silver Shoe in the WC 🥈
2022 World Cup:
Most goal contributions✅
Most assists✅
Most MotM✅
Highest rated player in the fotmob world cup ✅
Highest rated player in the WS World Cup ✅
Highest rated player in the Ligue 1 ✅
MotM World Cup quarter-finals ✅
MotM World Cup semi-final✅
MotM World Cup Final ✅
Now do the same for Haaland. I'm curious to see how he compares after all he was playing in the hardest league in the world and broke every record along the way to giving City there first treble. Also look at the stats for the 2010 world Cup 3 Barca players made up the top 3 and Messi won but why? He didn't win the world Cup, he didn't win the CL. The media have loved Messi since 2009 and its been evident. Atleast 3 of his Ballon D'ors should be given to the correct winner. 2010, 2021 & 2023
Now compare to Haaland's stats and its not even close.
People should check the stats for both Messi and Haaland for 2022-2023 season they will be shocked that messi has superior stats than Haaland. Messi has more G+A contributions.
@@phoenix_club_gaming9428Hardest league? How can Haaland score more goal in hardest league rather than in so called farmer league?
Messi deserves it fully and without a question. He is a complete player in all departments of the game.
For those who say he was bad with psg.
He had more assist than KDB , more goals than pl top scorer (except Haaland and Kane)
One Dominated in 2 of the toughest competitions in all of football and one apparently dominated in 1 Competition. Something is clearly off.
This was voted on by 100 journalists. It was awarded democratically. Messi had a stellar season.
Leo deserved to win this Ballon d'Or, no doubt about it.
Just like Mathaus said, Harland deserved it. The award has lost it's credibility. Even Julian Alvarez deserved to rank higher than Messi. I'm a big Leo fan.
You are so funny 😂
This is ridiculous… does it mean anyone who wins World Cup should automatically win Ballon D or… why didn’t Mbappe win it last World Cup seriously… Haaland deserves to have won 🏆
This is probably Messi's last Balon D'or win so for the upcoming years we should be seeing new winners.
We all said this when he won his 6th balon d'Or😂😂😂
Copa America is coming next year. I won't be surprised Messi wins another Balon d'Or with Copa America win next year
@@Osmonrenatalno way....not in MLS league....
@@a..j3783 we will see
@@OsmonrenatalEuro is bigger than copa
The D’or lost value years ago . The last straw was when they cancelled the 2020 one despite football being played during Covid . Lewandoski was robbed and then they gave the 2021 to Messi for no achievements
At 2021, Lewandowski only won Bundesliga with a squad worthy of a treble and he deserves Ballondor😂😂😂
no achievement?? 😂
Cry in private, cos the hate won't allow your brain to function
My question is where was all this uproar in previous world cups where it was the main determinant e.g 2006 2002 2018 etc
Messi also win three competitions two with PSG and one with Argentina Nation team. Stop putting narrative of trible win of Halland with Man City. Halland not even carrying his national team to FIFA WC group stage.
I'd be embarrassed if I was Messi. Probably so embarrassed I wouldn't of shown up at the awards ceremony.
Maybe that's why you're commenting on a UA-cam video instead of excelling in life.
Ronaldo fans 😂😂
@@Geoglyph89This is a violation and Facts of Life
@@Geoglyph89 damn chill bruh 😂😂
😂 you're not Messi bruv, not even close to getting invited in these events.
Talking about being embarrassed!!😂
Most people are not including the fact that Zlatan in 2016 has 68 g/a with psg and sweden. But he came 13th in ballon dor. Messi in 2023 has 62 g/a with psg and arjentina. But guess whathe won ballon dor.
Because he’s an overall better player than Zlatan and he was the star of the World Cup
I still don't understand why do you think only Goals and Assists exist? Just listen to managers or any analysts, there is more to this game than Goals and Assist.
slow comment you just proved why messi deserved it
Guess who won the World Cup?
he won 2 international trophies Copa and world cup u dumbfck he not only won it but scored and assisted and contributed in every match💪
Fewest touches ever in a CL final 0 goals, 35 touches fa cup final 0 goals 26 touches super cup final 0 goals. Can’t claim “he won the treble” he didn’t turn up in any final.
Nobody has even won the ballon without participating in the wc during a world cup year
Robbed.
Fact is, goals and assists are just for fans to see. Professionals see beyond goals and assists. That is why a fan is only a fan and coach is the main man of Football.
it's well deserved, ballon d'or is not about who have most tap ins but who is most influecal footballer
Anyone who doesn't say Messi has ZERO BALL KNOWLEDGE!
Erling Haaland currently is the best player in the world, to say that Lionel Messi who plays in a semi retirement league like MLS which is a developing league like Saudi Arabia with Crisitiano Ronaldo does a huge disservice to the sport. Haaland was superior to everyone the whole season and conquered historic titles with Manchester City and unfortunately he was robbed what should have been his first ballon d'or. Messi won 7 but this 8th one was one he wasn't really deserving given his failures with PSG. Messi won the popularity contest which the award had become with Cristiano Ronaldo duopoly over the last 14 years almost.
The moment you said Ronaldo I already knew. You're not logical for the conversation
Ballon d'ors are over rated to be honest. There have been a lot better players then Messi who won more world titles, far more skilled in the game. This generation just thinks the sport revolves around what happened in 2008 to now and that is not the whole story. World Cup titles are more important in determining who truly is the greatest of all time, and PELE is the chosen one@@YVNGREEN_
Penaldogy. bark more
Haaland was more deserving this time around. Honestly the ballon d'or is over rated. World Cup titles for a player is more important honestly. If you told me Messi was better then Haaland today I would state that to be false.@@afro142
@@rogerstephenroth8073 only overrated when you're favourite don't win it.
If you know football, you know Messi deserved it.. I don’t even need to explain myself
The world cup final was the best football match we all ever saw and he stared in that at 36. For his world cup campaign alone he deserved it.
I hear people saying “popularity contest” as if Messi could just do nothing and win it…..he wasn’t even top 25 in the ballon d’or last year. He has to perform like everyone else to win it
HAALAND ALL THE WAY⚽️🏆
STERLING HAALAND definitely deserves it ... just not this year as these awards are already decided a year in advance. Haaland will get the/an award just not this year. Anyone who knows how it goes knows how it goes. ❤❤❤👍
The fact that man citeh had 3 midfielders in there says it all, they were all Haaland's team mate.go figure
No. WC>Domestic hardware. And Messi wasn't the primary scorer for PSG; his role was to lay off to Mbappe. PSG had nowhere near as coherent a buildup as ManC. The last time Messi played on a team as solidly coached and talented as ManC is today, he also put up Haaland-like numbers- without being a striker.
Absolutely. Haaland moved to a new country, club, system, scored a shed load of goals and won the treble!! Absolutely disgusting decision.
Haaland doesn't deserve anything more than Golden Boots and striker of the season awards 😂
That's where that tap in merchant belongs not "Best player" category for Ballon d'Ors 😂
Even if he scores 100 tap ins Haters would hate. It's not common to see good tapin merchant. Nunez is a living testament
@@Samuel-cr9mc so you mean ballon dor is officially for only center forwards now
Exactly, he can't even escape when pressed by 2 defenders. His first touch is worse than many amateur footballers. If you call this the best player, it's time to stop watching football.
Meanwhile In the world cup Messi scored 5 penalties and a tap in Lmao
@@Samuel-cr9mccan halaand make his own run and score a goal? Can he assist in the field? Can he even dribble past 3-10 players? I doubt he can lol, all his achievements was thanks to the super team ManCity. He was even invisible in ucl finals lol while messi had 5 MOTM in 7 world cup games. That alone shows the winner. Ballon d'or meant for the best of the best overall, goalscorers have different award. Just remember worldcup only comes every 4 years which weight more than any trophies out there.
IN MY OPINION IF YOU SAY HAALAND SHOULD HAVE WON( BUT WAS LOST IN ALL THE IMPORTANT GAMES IN THE TREBLE RUN) WE CAN ALSO SAY ALVAREZ SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE MIX OR EVEN TOP 3 . HE WON THE TREBLE WITH CITY AND ALSO WON THE WORLD CUP. I THINK MESSI DESERVES IT BECAUSE HE WAS THE HEART OF ARGENTINA WITH A BELOW PAR CLUB SEASON FOR HIS HIGH STANDARDS BUT ONE THAT MANY PLAYER IN THE WORLD WOULD LOVE TO HAVE. ONE LOVE EVERYONE
Always Messi is favoured in ballon dor it's basically who a bunch of people like more 😂
If that would be the case Messi should have won in 2016 and 2018, bcs he was individually clearly the best player individually. He even placed 5th in 2018, although he was clearly the best player and won 3 Trophies. Where was he favored in 2018?
@@ModernFootball866lol no false stats as always😂
@@rohanpreetsingh4862 What's false lol?
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@@ModernFootball866 2016 and 2018 were easily deserved by ronaldo.won the euros and cl in 2016 and won the cl in 2018 while being the top scorer of the competition.
Obviously Haaland should have won it. I mean Messi wasn’t even the best player at his club so how is he best player in the world. But anyway this award has no credibility and hasn’t for years now
He was definitely our best player under galtier. How many Ligue 1 game did you watch?
No he didn’t messi is the undisputed king of football. Haaland had a great season but messi won the World Cup at 36 and absolutely dominated it
Why is no one talking about Alvarez? Crazy to say the least.
Haaland should have won it. End of.
I feel in 2018, Mbappe should have gotten the balondor, after winning the worldcup, now its been 4 years of suppressing the new generation of golden players and continuing to hip awards on old generations.
the awards are Messi's whole carrear vs a young player's single season
Remember one thing ballon d'or isn't given just coz of goals and assist.. it depends on the players over all stats. After entering to the ground
Why is it that nowadays we rate ballon d'or by goals only playmaker are not rated at all
Ballon dor is the most subjective useless trophy, its basically just for attackers defenders and goalkeepers stand no chance of winning it regardless of how good they play. The only trophys that matter are golden boots, golden gloves and team trophys.
Man city could have won everything even without holland but messi carried the whole team while holland was quite in the big games.
Never realised the country of Holland was representing one person. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
@@syncopaint_minis3016it’s funny how you fan girls criticize Messi in his club and for the national team but for haaland nobody critiques him for his national team performances 😂😂😂. Ronaldo fan girls are wild 😂😂
@@JayJay-kb4dq What are you talking about Haaland is the only one in the Norway team that consistently performs well, nobody else in that team does, that is the issue
Also even Pep would disagree with you that they could have won everything without Haaland, if they could then they wouldn`t have needed to sign him, they even choose to wait for Haaland rather then sign Harry Kane, which should tell you something.
@@thetruth4654 😂😂😂😂 you fan girls are teaching performs well? 😂😂😂. Lost to Slovenia lot to Serbia Scotland those are low level national teams when he plays Spain just runs for 90 min he scores against Georgia 😂😂😂. Bro go make daddy a sandwich football isn’t for you.
So why did Man City not win everything before Haaland arrived
Well deserved Messi infinity 🐐🐐🐐❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥 on to the 9th Ballon d’Or💃🏽😜😘
In any world cup year, just prepare for 7 matches and become the best player in the world.
Halland should have won it easily. Man utd fan speaking here. But I'm glad this has happend because it proved that ballon d'or isn't award for the best footballer of the year but for one who is liked the most
lol you should be a shame of your self keep crying
If it was ever about who is liked the most, Ronaldo and messi would have won it many more times and would still win it as long as they're still playing...
Messi won it because he was the overall better player in terms of contributions to the teams he played for..
Haaland wasn't even at the world cup, I don't know if you watched the world cup but Messi carried Argentina when it mattered most, not only with goals but with assists and Messi performed consistently in matches compared to Haaland. Messi has consistently scored clutch goals/ assisted for PSG, Argentina and Inter Miami when it mattered most, in those important games for man City, Haaland was ghosting, plus he scored most goals in games where man city were winning by 3 or 4 goals...
Messi got more MOTM awards than anyone in the past year because of consistency...no one else was that consistent in the same time period..