messi loves man markers. it's impossible messi is too good at stalling players on the the spot. the opponents just see him gliding away whilst they are left behind
I remember one game where Zidane man marked Messi with Kovacic at the Bernabeu. Messi was dragging him whatever he wanted, leaving a huge gap in Real Madrid's midfield. The game ended 0:3 and Barcelona eventually won the title.
@@hypello9534 haha yeah, they are now taking the WC trophy as though NOW we consider him the best and are trying to use pele's 3 WCs as the argument, they are trying to ignore 7 BDO 6 Golden boots 11 league titles 4 UCLs LOLOL its laughable man
@@IWannatalkpodcast once your man burst onto the scene over a decade & a half ago that silly debate ceased to be valid. perhaps there was never a genuine debate at all, who knows....
Still remember Messi retiring from international football back in 2015, for him to come back 7 years later and win the World Cup it is truly mesmerizing.
He quit international football because he got sick of losing. It's not like he retired from football and just decided to start up again after all that time and just won the World Cup 😅😅
@@Parky_1712 he didn't quit because he was a sad loser you clown !!! He quit because he didn't fit into the argentina style of football being played at the time !!! . It was more to do with the management than Messi !!!. Messi has a unique way of playing and the players around him were just not like that !!!.. This goes to prove if back then the Argentina FA had listened o Messi and put the players around him they would have had a world cup !!! Messi plays a free role on the pitch and moves around so no one can pin him down !!!. To win the world cup as captain of Argentina at the age of 35 and scoring a goal in every round says it all !!! Even scoring two in the final !!!. The Argentina team now is more like the Barcelona back in the day !!!. They just do not give up and fight to the last second !!!.
Messi’s criticism in Argentina is due to a generational thing. People that saw Maradona winning criticized Messi. But for the generation that only saw Messi, there was never a doubt that he’s the GOAT. He didn’t have to win it in our eyes
Playing in lower leagues? That a sign of a great player now? You can't be serious. As for the world cup, even the guys on the bench for Argentina won it and Argentina had won it before too. They were always a contender. It's not a measure of greatness.
@@TonyMontanaDSHow is la Liga a “Lower league” when it’s ranked #2 in the world? And there’s a difference between winning the World Cup from the bench and carrying an entire nation on your back.
He would have been the GOAT even if France had won it. People who understand and appreciate football know he’s always been the best and most gifted player to ever grace a pitch.
Football is complete. Messi has completed football. Messi has won the battle. The Debate that never should have existed is done and dusted. Messi by far the greatest ever, no one else comes close.
@@PayssiNotWantedInBarcelonely They won the world cup, Messi won the MOTM, and has the most MOTM ever in WC with 10, the debate has been ripped from the soil .. Messi was the best player this World Cup and he dragged them through the World Cup Final... This was the sheer replication of Maradona 86...
The BIGGEST achievement for Ronaldo is keeping the Messi v Ronaldo debate alive for this long... Which in itself is a MASSIVE achievement WITHOUT ANY disrespect. Its a compliment.
@@aryan.4855 You honestly want to sit there and tell me that ronaldo is as complete a footballer as messi? Football Is more than numbers. Ronaldo could only dream of doing half the stuff messi is capable of on a pitch.
Real football fans always knew he was gonna end up being the goat. Guy was always a cheat code. Messi is like neo in the matrix, he operates on a different level.
The whole Argentina was not only playing for their country but for their capital Leo too. Every single player wanted to win it for their captain . Such a good game . And thanks to Mbappe the game became one of the best football matches ever .
messi has been amazing for argentina. without messi argentina wont be as good he is an amazing playmaker. also when his not in the mood for playmaking, he just past 3 defenders with ease
The debate is well and truly over in my opinion. Messi inspired that team and not just over this tournament. He, the team, as well as the change in management and attitude in the Argentina setup - built toward this day. But, why he is the GOAT compared to CR7 - his attitude in his twilight. How Ronaldo has conducted himself over the last 1+ year.... has brought him down the pecking order. I'm glad I witnessed the game yesterday. Proper sports history.
@Kuku Nase has he? Which team did he carry that was worse? So you think the entire French team were in on this rigged game? Loris is one of the best goalkeepers around. You think he intentionally conceded those penalties? You think he intentionally gave up the chance to win gold? Wow that will be an explosive exposé when it gets out.
Messi lifts the World Cup with the whole country behind him… Ronaldo on the Piers Morgan show battling his own personal demons! Football won yesterday night… best final ever!
@t burton It's hilarious, a lot of people were saying the debate was over last year when Messi was struggling in Ligue 1. And now it's flipped with Messi picking up again, and Ronaldo falling off.
@@ObeseGorilla229I’m the number 1 Ronaldo fan but I have to admit Messi is so much better than him in every way and it’s not even close. Messi is the undisputed 🐐.
@@ranjitprakash1986 mate your Indian you can’t play football let alone talk about it. How’s it feel watching England change the face of test cricket? Literally 1 billion of you’s and your shite at every sport you try to play
After around 2015, Messi's ungodly talent had already earned him a place among the two other football gods: Pelé and Maradona. But with the 2021 Copa America and now the World Cup, Messi became the greatest of them, in my opinion. Ronaldo did come close to being counted among them, simply by virtue of his outrageous goal scoring ability. But his international career fell short. He is one of the greatest players ever for sure, with an illustrious club career, full of individual awards. But now that his career is ending, to me he finished at the level of other legends like Cruyff, Zidane, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo Nazairo, and Beckenbauer. He probably tops that list. But he does not make the GOAT shortlist. To do that you have to become more than a player - you have to transcend football to become a national a hero and change the sport itself. You have to have created legendary moments that got burned into people's memories, and which will be remembered for generations. Ronaldo always lacked that thing you can't describe - the touch of genius that set Messi, Pelé and Maradona apart. He was a goal scoring machine, but not much else. What truly set him apart was that he was the most marketable player ever. But he's no hero - he's a brand that was distributed en masse. He's not even close to Messi. He never was.
I would put R9 in the same class, talent wise, as Maradona, Pele & Messi. Injuries, at a very young age, derailed what could’ve been potentially the greatest career ever. Remember, Ronaldo at 22 had already won the Ballon D’or & FIFA World Player twice.
@@oomar4597 dont think he would surpass Messi tho. Ronalod's best season he got 47 goals in 49 games. Messi got 73 goals in 60 games. Clear difference there and Ronaldo was a ST.
@@aidan2849 R9 scored 47 Goals at the age of 20. He could’ve come close to matching Messi’s Goal scoring records. The thing that Messi has over him is his exceptional passing ability. Messi is one of the greatest passers I’ve ever seen and he makes passes that literally make my jaw drop!
@@Johndoe-gf7eu for you not for football era it's already over mark my word in future FIFA will publish the best players of all time😍 Ronaldo would be 3 or 4
Before the WC it was debatable, Messi was 21 - 25 (peaked), CR7 was better 28 - 32 ( peaked) & of course Messi is good now at 35, but after the world cup the debate is over. Messi the goat.
There was never a debate imo Messi can still turn defenders inside out with skill and pace. Ronaldo started to lose that at 32 and had to change the way he played.
Ronaldo could only ever get past 1 player anyway, he doesnt have the technical skill or agility to do what messi does, he just relied on his speed and strength.
I'm no big fan of Cristiano. But, tbf, Messi also adapted his way to play when he turned 30. He has to decide if he turns alien. Back in the days, he was alien as soon as the first whistle was blown until the game ended. I have seen so many games of him, especially from 2007-2015 that it's not fair to claim he hasn't had to adapt his style. He had to. The point here is, that - despite being 35 - he is still the best player in the world. That is something no one had ever achieved, this kind of continuity for at least 15 years. I can't recall exactly if it was in 2004 or 2005 when Dinho was voted player of year by fifa. He said in an interview after the ceremony ( and I quote): "This award here says I'm the best player in the world, but I'm not even the best player at Barcelona." He was referring to Messi, of course. I think it was in 2005, but don't nail me on that ^^
Yesterday, heart and passion won over skills AND arrogance... I am very happy that Messi fulfills his dream (and that of football fans all around the world). Congratulations Argentina, Congratulations Lionel Messi 🇦🇷🏆🐐
I'm happy you alluded to the arrogance of Mbappe and France. Argentina showed tremendous strength to come back from three body blows -- a lesser team could have not pulled that one out. Vamos Argentina!
lol in what world do france have more skills than argentina? france had advantage in physical and speed aspect and maybe more known names in the squad because argentina squad most were young and unknown. but in terms of skill passion and heart argentina is definately better even the argentina goalie outskilled the useless french ´´legend´´ lloris who can´t save penalties from 10 year old boys in trainings
There was never a debate... Messi's always been the better dribbler/ ball passer / playmaker / more consistent free kick technician / all while scoring prolifically. Cristiano could only compete with Messi on the goals front. Once his ball playing style fell off, after 2013. Mbappé is the future of football, once Messi hangs up his boots. The young lad went out on his shield. Dragging his team back into the match, after the 80th minute. Incredible talent.
@@Johndoe-gf7eu clowns like u are the reason y penaldo keep lying to himself.. penaldoo is old thats all.. messi has 6 golden boots clown..ronaldo at messi age never had the amount of goals messi has..penaldoo is just old..
@@Johndoe-gf7eu The amount of goals isn’t everything. Messi has a higher goal count per game, straight up more assists, is two years younger than Ronaldo (less time in the leagues) and has shown to be the better leader.
I couldn't agree more, I've been saying it for years. Unfortuantly we're living in a time where stats are the deciding factor on a players quality for some strange reason but if you just watch both players with your eyes, Messi is miles ahead
I can't imagine any player under the kind of pressure Messi was under in this Final: the pressure from his country, his peers, his team, everything. A pressure unlike anything I've seen in sport. That alone puts him above anyone else.
@@bangladeshirealtor He subbed him off far too early, just the threat of Di Maria on the pitch was enough to scare France. Game turned on its head when he went off.
@@rpb007 at his age Messi has two ballon d'or. Until he wins one, u r emotional. Mbappe wudnt beat Ronaldo not to talk of Messi. There are level to this things.
beg to differ with all of those folks that say now that the goat debate is at last over. for the past 17-18 years there was never a genuine debate for many of us just as soon as messi had burst onto the scene under the great ronaldinho's tutelage. or if there ever was a debate, it's been settled a long time ago.
It’s even over, mans getting excited like it’s proved something 😂😂😂saying someone is the goat isn’t quantifiable by fact 😂😂😂😂its a subjective opinion. R
@@Johndoe-gf7eu as i very much appreciate your comment, i've got just one remarkable quote to share with y'all: "if you don't love messi, you don't love football !"
Agreed, there was never a question. The only people making it a debate are people that love drama and fabricating over the top rivarlies. Ronaldo is a good goal scorer, thats it. He will be remembered as a goal scorer. Messi will be remembered for his goals, assists technical ability, dribbling and all the creative little things he does on the pitch. I find it funny how ronaldo is never compared with Pele or Maradona, but Messi is. I think thats quite telling.
BTW.. I didn't want Mbappe to get that 3rd goal. I wanted Hurst to hold that record forever but imagine scoring a hattrick in a World Cup final and still losing. Gutted.
people overhyped mbappes hattrick 2 penalties in for the same team in a world cup final is a disgrace and hurst achievement is stil better unless he got 2 penalty goals too of course
Mbappe shows how the penalty should be taken, pick your spot, shoot with pace and power. Even if the GK guess the direction right, there’s no chance he could have save it. Remind me of Ruud van Nistelrooy way of penalty taking
,the Argentinians scored better penalty's than Mbappe !!!. It takes some nerve and talent to just roll the ball past the keeper !!!!. Power shots do get saved !!! If the keeper guesses the right way . But to eyeball the keeper and send him the wrong way is just natural talent !!!!.
You can really tell the debate was settled after the final by the fashion in which Ronaldo fans reacted to it. Their arguments went from elevating Ronaldo to headlessly bashing on Messi and claiming the whole tournament was rigged. It just reeked of desperation. That's how you know they're lost. They're both amazing players, but it's never been a debate in my mind.
Mbappe scored 4 goals in one game whereas Kane only scored 3 goals in 5 games and yet the British still hype up Kane as the best striker in the world, yeah right 🤣🤣
I'm mean......we are England and kane is English? What tf did you think was going to happen? literally every country hypes up their nations best player😂.......
@@Two_Seat_Pete_FatA55 He's still got 12 goals in 15 games in the league as well he is still bagging goals now in and despite his bottlejob at the WC still had 5G/a in 5 games. It's a shame about his ankle injuries he was run into the ground and lost a bit of pace his prime came a couple years to early for england
I will be honest, I'm a united fan and a few months ago i would have said Ronaldo is the greatest cause i was bias but now that I don't have that bias towards him anymore it's obvious messi is the better player.
1)There was never a debate to begin with. 2)There was never a comparison to begin with. 3)The goat debate was invented by ESPN and the media. 4)Messi should have only be compared to Arjen Robben and Neymar. 5)Ronaldo is just a good goal scorer to be compared with Drogba, Tevez, Aguero, Suarez, Batistuta, Mbappe etc... That's the right comparison. 6)The greatest Ronaldo accomplishment was to be compared with Messi for 15 years. 7)The only HATE for Ronaldo is that he was too overrated for too long. 8)Stop using Messi in the same sentence with Ronaldo.
The debate was already over even when Messi just started because Ronaldinho declared to others that they were going to see the greatest player ever in Messi!!
@@deepankarbiswal6915 💯. I watched so many matches of ronaldo. Till this day i dint understand why people compare them. You have messi and then a very big space between him and the 2nd best player in history. In my eyes that was maradona, because he preformed 🪄 also. Ronaldo is just a finisher
@@WZG897 most of the top ranking never put Maradona as the 2nd best player, its messi or Ronaldo. Maradona was not great and also the football in the 80s 90s was very different than it is today. You can't compare modern football to the old one. Makes no sense
Messi is the goat and maradona had magical moments and the talent. They both have the wachtfactor also the 🪄. They both carried a bad argentina team to the worldcup finals en even win it. Ronaldo is just a goalscorer and relies on his teammates to create goals for him. His skills are most of the time just bs with no efficiency. Ronaldo at number 2 is just BS. Ronaldo is just PR. I am not a ronaldo hater. I admire his work and for me he is at 4. Messi Maradona R9 CR7
This debate is OVER for those who only take the prize as the ultimate GOAT indicator. For a real football fan, this debate was over a long long time ago and some think this was never a debate to begin with.
Messi fans need to realize that there's something called personal opinions and it's okay for people to have different opinions. There's more to football than passing and dribbling. If I were to rate their strength this is how I would rate them. Dribbling: Messi 10 CR7 6 Passing: Messi 10 CR7 7 Heading: Messi 5 CR7 10 Sprinting: Messi 8 CR7 9 Aerial: Messi 5 CR7 10 Left foot: Messi 10 CR7 7 Right foot: Messi 4 CR7 10 Leadership: Messi 7 CR7 9 Goal scoring: Messi 10 CR7 10 Assist: Messi 10 CR7 7 Physique: Messi 7 CR7 10 Penalties: Messi 8 CR7 9 Freeckicks: Messi 7 CR7 6 So CR7 > Messi in my opinion. CR7 is more complete.
@@jamespalmer980 Messi has a better goals per game ratio throughout his career and a ton more assists. He was still smashing it during the decline Barcelona as well. His records against the prem teams (best in the world apparently) in the champions league is also incredible so I'm not really buying it.
@@guccibase Didn’t say you couldn’t have an opinion but it’s an ignorant one. Messi is technically on another level to Ronaldo & it’s not difficult to see, CR7 may be able to match him for goals but he’s never dictated games on his own like Messi does
Ronaldo has more goals than all 3, how can you seriously say he isn’t up there. That’s just agenda and bias, man has scored 800+ goals. You just sound stupid saying that, no one will take you serious
@@Johndoe-gf7eu The debate is who's the goat not who's scored the most goals, Pele's goal per game ratio is far better than Ronaldos , you didn't mention Ronaldo scored 130 penalties in his 800 Pele scored 30 , Pele has 3 world cup medal's Ronaldo has never scored a goal in the knock out rounds in 4 world cups.
The debate has never existed, Messi has always been better at PLAYING football than Ronaldo those who want to raise CR7 to Messi's level simply don't know football. You may mention that in your opinion Cristiano is better but in reality the facts speak for themselves.
Which facts? All you can say is Messi best playmaker but ignore how much luck he have on his teammates compared to Ronaldo. Is messi now better than ronaldo in aerial skills after WC final? No and there are plenty abilities messi dont surpass ronaldo. Ronaldo has records messi will never break and so is the opposite.
@@aryan.4855 no he didn't. He's never been anywhere near as good a footballer as messi. The void between the two is huge the only thing that makes it close is the numbers.
@@reddev96 Messis always been the better footballer but tbf performance wise he did kind of keep up with him or get as close as you could get I'd say until around 2015? Cause he was doing crazy things in his prime also If that's fair to him, but from then on anyone who didn't say Messi I'd ask what they were watching or smoking lol
The way ronaldo has handled the end of his career has made messi the goat before the world cup, humble, passionate, true professional. Ronaldo’s ego trumps everything else.
There was never a debate. Any person who is unbiased and who knows football clearly can see there is no comparison at all. Messi is by far the greatest player of the modern era. The way he plays brings magic and on top of that doing that at the highest level for over 15+ years is insane! Messi, the GOAT!
This was my first time watching WC and before the tournament starter I predicted the final 2 teams, the score and the winner funny enough. My cousin who has played his whole life said it was too good to be true and would never happen but it did. I wish I was more shocked but I'm so happy for Messi. Definitely made me a new fan.
Toxic Messi and Ronaldo fans be like: - Gain superiority complex just for saying “I like Messi/Ronaldo” - Get genuinely pissed off when someone says something bad about their favorite player - Try their hardest to defend their favorite and start attacking other people who don’t agree - Feel better about themselves when the other player is doing bad (that’s messed up when you think about it) - Gain overconfidence when their favorite is doing well - Dismiss the other’s achievements Everyone out here just enjoying Football and the toxic Messi/Ronaldo fans just focused on what to say to attack others. Waiting until something happens so they can go online and start hating, those fans probably don’t even watch much football.
EMI Martinez was outstanding and I’m over the moon for the wee guy from Rosario I actually tipped France before it started but still screaming my head off during that game for Argentina to win
Ronaldo has gone from #2 behind Messi to barely a top 5 player of his generation. His huge ego, toxic behaviour and selfish personality ruined both Juventus and Manure. He does more harm than good these days. Even was a colossal distraction for Portugal. Crynaldo has become a meme. To even compare him to Messi is insulting and embarrassing to all football fans. At this point, the only people who still rate Crynaldo are simps who are in love with him but don't understand football.
Ronaldo played for Juventus only for like 2 years and still became the top scorer, your jealousy towards Ronaldo won't do anything, not much would care bout your opinion
@@rpb007 joined a team that had won 9 titles in a row and ruined them with his toxic ego. Your love for Ronaldo is laughable, he's not gay though so your simping and hoping he will fall in love with you will count for nothing bro
@@rosshaugh7937 i don’t wanna be a hater but I honestly can’t listen to talkSPORT on a Saturday because of them two ! Who should hear hear on the other clip … Jesus. Jamie is 100% right, he keeps it’s real.
There shouldn’t have been a debate anyway all you have to do is watch football to see who was better but I’m glad he’s won cos now there’s no argument at all
Did watch Portugal? How can it end the debate when one guy BIG LUCK (messi) and the other guy very unlucky (cr7)??? Its the same with messis stats during Prime barca while ronaldo had to play in broken Madrid (0-5 and 2-6 El clasico first season) No doubt messi is very talented and most gifted player but he isnt better than cr7 and maradona
@@Dranzer21 I watched and a saw a "good" performance. His teammates played well too... btw: Which did biased messifan(boys) blame this time if Argentina not won WC 2022? You couldnt pick SERIE A RECORD TOPSCORER Higauin this time due he retired long ago
People who understand even a bit about Football always knew Messi was arguably the greatest along with Maradona..and to do it in the WC at 35 was mind boggling.. no one else could have done that!!!
The GOAT debate was over long time ago. For me personally, it was settled when I first saw Messi at 17yrs old. The debate was over once Messi was born. This world cup has nothing to do with it
In a penalty, goalkeeper is already at a disadvantage, and strikers do all kind of shenanigans in their run up, some delay it; so anything that helps a goalkeeper to level a playing field is fair game.
Mbappe just showed the English what it means to be elite.. Mbappe took 3 penalties in a World Cup final against arguably the best goalie at saving them.. Harry can learn something. Respect 👏🏽
LOOOOOL. Don’t embarrass yourself, in the sporting world england are clear. Where is frances world champion boxers? Weak country. Great at kicking a ball around like a girl, but not good at fighting, or olympics, or F1 etc 😂😂😂
It was over when Messi joined the lowers leagues in France in the USA. Great players don't play against inferior opposition. It's like Verstappen winning races in F2 and people comparing him to Hamilton in F1.
Messi has been the greatest of his era since he was 23 or 24. It never needed the World Cup to confirm that. First there was Pele, then Maradona, and now Messi. It could be a long time until we see a player of that legendary calibre.
If Messi is the best, then how did he lose to Saudi? Surely part of the criteria of being the best is to never lose to a team like Saudi? Control ur emotions, your intoxicated by messis team winning the cup
@@bashuggs1205 yes it does 😂😂😂😂argument was over ages ago. Played a massive part, started against poland and made a game winning block. Started another game and has been used a sub several timeS
Dont worry roger, these people see anything united related and seethe through their teeth 😂😂😂we have a world cup winner, souness and carragher will be fuming 😂😂
@@bashuggs1205 wins the world cup but doesn’t disregard their argument 😂😂😂😂im crying hahahahaha, just admit youre wrong, martinez is a success, its okay to admit
For me Argentina was first to the ball,aggressive,kept formation,and played faster than usual starts (on purpose). Threw the French off. Got up 2 nil and tried to breath a little bit and got caught slipping. The French took advantage and made it one of the greatest world cups of all time!! For me this was a beautiful game to watch from start to finish.
@@deepankarbiswal6915 thats because they both accomplished it before they were old, unlike messi, however I said on par didnt say they were better than him or him better than them, I recognise greatness which he has now achieved, thus he can imo now be classed as the same as the other goats, messi is greatest in our generation like Pele and Maradona were in theirs and to suggest messi is better shows how little you know of football , im guessing but your probably 15 to 25 years old and love fifa 😉
Ronaldinho knew before he played for Barcelona he was going to be the GOAT. If people couldn’t see how brilliant Messi was playing for the Barcelona team then what are they watching. There never was a debate 👀⚽️🐐
It was Di Maria that performed in that single match that made the lead possible. Enzo was a revelation. Messi inspiring team players, sure. It's an effect. But it takes a team to win the world cup. What happened yesterday is a series of events that culminated in Argentina's success. So with that said, has Ronaldo been in similar conditions that would allow him to inspire his team to win the world cup? We keep obsessing over this fallacy that there is a GOAT.
Ronaldo was supposed to do that in this World Cup and santos didn’t bowed to media pressure. I feel under different circumstances he could have had a much better final World Cup but there’s no shame in being the second best player of your generation. Big ups to CR7 he is one of the best to ever do it 💪
Except Ronaldo’s narcissistic attitude and obsession with records could never allow his team mates to have the same level of devotion. He’s also only been a poacher for the last 8 years so it’ll always end up with it being too focused on himself. Ronaldo even went into this tournament with a far more stacked team on paper.
Messi, R9, Maradona were all blessed with ungodly, unreal talent it's just that Messi had all the pieces in the place at the right time Honestly what a storied career.
Messi With the worldcup is just a cherry on the top..🍒 Many misjudge him in past and said this guy is a flop.👎. he got his self backup with many failures around the block.👌 A worthy inspiration that you never ever have 2 give up..💪 Even before the wc he's one of the greats.🥇He still manage to win everything with average teammates.👪👪 Evn at 35 at the highest level my goat dominates.💀The magic he does on the pitch no one replicates.🙏 no one imitates ,his will is beyond reach.🌠 The perfect footballer that has the skill of an artist..✨✨ nothing is left 2 prove he's in the leaque of his own..🌟 He's hungry like a dog and still lookin for a bone.🏆🏆 Writing his own story no one is sharing the king's throne.👑👑 We cant deny the magical moments what our messi has shown.🎆🎇🇦🇷🇦🇷🐐🐐1️⃣0️⃣🐐🐐
It's never been ronaldo vs messi, it was between messi, maradonna and pele but that world cup win puts messi 1st and low key that mbappe performance puts ronaldo 5th.
The World Cup win puts Messi in 3rd place. He will *ALWAYS* be behind Maradona and Pele. As for Cristiano, he only just about scrapes into the top ten.
“I can’t believe they didn’t man mark him”… as if managers haven’t tried doing this to him
For the last 20 years.
messi loves man markers. it's impossible messi is too good at stalling players on the the spot. the opponents just see him gliding away whilst they are left behind
his quickness to take off still is one of the best, man mark him and you play with 10 players
I remember one game where Zidane man marked Messi with Kovacic at the Bernabeu. Messi was dragging him whatever he wanted, leaving a huge gap in Real Madrid's midfield. The game ended 0:3 and Barcelona eventually won the title.
Marking Messi is almost useless. The man gets past multiple defenders on a nightly basis 😆
LOLLLL true!
Even without the world cup he was the greatest ever
Agree but now he silenced all the ronaldo crybabies. Seems like they support pele now all of them!
@@hypello9534 haha yeah, they are now taking the WC trophy as though NOW we consider him the best and are trying to use pele's 3 WCs as the argument, they are trying to ignore 7 BDO 6 Golden boots 11 league titles 4 UCLs LOLOL its laughable man
I've been saying that since he was 23 and everyone said not until he wins a WC. The debate is now over 🐐
@@IWannatalkpodcast once your man burst onto the scene over a decade & a half ago that silly debate ceased to be valid. perhaps there was never a genuine debate at all, who knows....
@@rakoczi29 I agree sir. I knew what I was seeing when I first saw Messi. He'll probably pick up his 8th ballon d'or now too. 🐐
Still remember Messi retiring from international football back in 2015, for him to come back 7 years later and win the World Cup it is truly mesmerizing.
He quit international football because he got sick of losing. It's not like he retired from football and just decided to start up again after all that time and just won the World Cup 😅😅
@@Parky_1712 ronaldo doesn't quit
@@jalberto428 that's why his not a goat
@@Parky_1712 he didn't quit because he was a sad loser you clown !!! He quit because he didn't fit into the argentina style of football being played at the time !!! . It was more to do with the management than Messi !!!. Messi has a unique way of playing and the players around him were just not like that !!!.. This goes to prove if back then the Argentina FA had listened o Messi and put the players around him they would have had a world cup !!! Messi plays a free role on the pitch and moves around so no one can pin him down !!!. To win the world cup as captain of Argentina at the age of 35 and scoring a goal in every round says it all !!! Even scoring two in the final !!!. The Argentina team now is more like the Barcelona back in the day !!!. They just do not give up and fight to the last second !!!.
@golden brown So they changed everything in the couple of months before he un-retired? 🤣🤣
Messi’s criticism in Argentina is due to a generational thing. People that saw Maradona winning criticized Messi. But for the generation that only saw Messi, there was never a doubt that he’s the GOAT. He didn’t have to win it in our eyes
But he’s not the goat he’s not even top 5
@@Manbearpig4456 Cry now Cry later Cry tomorrow, keep crying until them tears dry
@@Manbearpig4456 i love rattling messi fans, it rattles them so much that people still wont unanimously say messi is the goat
@@Manbearpig4456 let me guess? Zidane is in your top 5? lmfao
@@lw9811 nope not even top 10
There was never a debate there. The debate was always Pele, Maradona or Messi. And Messi has now ended the debate 🙌
@@bluemoon1716 This is absolutely rubbish
@@bluemoon1716 u are probably a teenage fanboy who never watched football just watch social media clips
@@bluemoon1716 Average pessi fan 🤡
@@bluemoon1716 The ONLY player to win the World Cup 3 times is overrated? 😂🤣
Pele is and was ten times the player as Messi
Even without the world Cup. He is the greatest. With the cup he cemented the title " The Greatest
Playing in lower leagues? That a sign of a great player now? You can't be serious. As for the world cup, even the guys on the bench for Argentina won it and Argentina had won it before too. They were always a contender. It's not a measure of greatness.
@@TonyMontanaDSHow is la Liga a “Lower league” when it’s ranked #2 in the world? And there’s a difference between winning the World Cup from the bench and carrying an entire nation on your back.
@@TonyMontanaDS youre so sour its funny 😂 somtimes you have to just sit there and take your hat off to greatness.
He would have been the GOAT even if France had won it. People who understand and appreciate football know he’s always been the best and most gifted player to ever grace a pitch.
Ronaldinho is the most gifted player to ever grace a pitch, but i get your point.
@@barryryan1070 is 28
LMAO nah MEssi is shite
@@barryryan1070 even ronaldinho said messi is the best football player
@@barryryan1070 Ronaldinho is a g but he's no Messi
he wants 100 goals for his country. Why stop at 98?!
Probably will pass ronaldo for goals😂😂
Also I imagine he wants to have his last international game in Argentina
@@BreezeAgent nah he’s not gotten to that level yet he’s arguably now the favourite for the ballondor 😂 again
Ronaldo needs 4 more caps 200 caps, past the 100 goal ages ago
@@BreezeAgent why not come to city, oh wait can't do it
Football is complete.
Messi has completed football.
Messi has won the battle.
The Debate that never should have existed is done and dusted.
Messi by far the greatest ever, no one else comes close.
Pele
@@jalberto428 Pele is not even the best brazilian player ever
@@garri5108 he is
Well its more of a debate Pele vs Messi than LM10 vs CR7
Bro are u this delusional like seriously did u even watch the game? If u consider that a huge win then I would be embarrassed
@@PayssiNotWantedInBarcelonely They won the world cup, Messi won the MOTM, and has the most MOTM ever in WC with 10, the debate has been ripped from the soil .. Messi was the best player this World Cup and he dragged them through the World Cup Final... This was the sheer replication of Maradona 86...
The BIGGEST achievement for Ronaldo is keeping the Messi v Ronaldo debate alive for this long... Which in itself is a MASSIVE achievement WITHOUT ANY disrespect. Its a compliment.
Exactly and he's won 5 ballon d'ors during Leo's era. That in itself is impressive but..
Messi is way better, way way better. 😁💯
The hatred u guys have for Ronaldo is amazing wow
Id say its scoring the most goals of any person of all time. As far as i know messi is still number 2 or maybe 3 😂
In your opinion aswell, facts are ronaldo has more goals
@@Johndoe-gf7eu cry more no one listen to you😂😂
The fan boys will never stop but the real football fans know its over
It’s over, Messi is the goat now.
@@aryan.4855 it was over before the final this just doesn't give them a leg to stand on
@@reddev96 it was debatable, Ronaldo had more ucls and goals but Messi had ballon dors and trophies in generally.
@@aryan.4855 You honestly want to sit there and tell me that ronaldo is as complete a footballer as messi? Football Is more than numbers. Ronaldo could only dream of doing half the stuff messi is capable of on a pitch.
Real football fans always knew he was gonna end up being the goat. Guy was always a cheat code. Messi is like neo in the matrix, he operates on a different level.
The whole Argentina was not only playing for their country but for their capital Leo too. Every single player wanted to win it for their captain . Such a good game . And thanks to Mbappe the game became one of the best football matches ever .
messi has been amazing for argentina. without messi argentina wont be as good he is an amazing playmaker. also when his not in the mood for playmaking, he just past 3 defenders with ease
Props to Mbappe, this is the passing of a torch and the next era is for sure will be his
Capital is Buenos Aries not Leo
Leo Messi is the capital of argentina? and here i thought it was Buenos Aires all these years
The debate is well and truly over in my opinion. Messi inspired that team and not just over this tournament. He, the team, as well as the change in management and attitude in the Argentina setup - built toward this day. But, why he is the GOAT compared to CR7 - his attitude in his twilight. How Ronaldo has conducted himself over the last 1+ year.... has brought him down the pecking order. I'm glad I witnessed the game yesterday. Proper sports history.
@FaxanaduJohn 🤷🏻♂️
I thought it was a special moment. Sorry you think different.
Funny how Ronaldo has carried a worse team in the past while Messi always bottled it. rigged
@Kuku Nase has he? Which team did he carry that was worse?
So you think the entire French team were in on this rigged game? Loris is one of the best goalkeepers around. You think he intentionally conceded those penalties? You think he intentionally gave up the chance to win gold? Wow that will be an explosive exposé when it gets out.
Basing who is the better player off of just this season is embarrassing, Messi is the goat cause he’s been the best overall player
Key words: ‘in my opinion’n
Messi lifts the World Cup with the whole country behind him… Ronaldo on the Piers Morgan show battling his own personal demons! Football won yesterday night… best final ever!
Whole country? You mean a the whole world
Why cheer for ronaldos downfall someone falling doesn't make you rise not like he's personally did something to you
@@liamfeely it’s weird they only love you when you’re on top when you fall off the disrespect, I love ronaldo I love messi
@t burton It's hilarious, a lot of people were saying the debate was over last year when Messi was struggling in Ligue 1.
And now it's flipped with Messi picking up again, and Ronaldo falling off.
messi was better than ronaldo without the world cup with about 55 to 45 proportion, now with the world cup, its more like 64 to 36 now
I'm a huge Ronaldo fan but Messi is the undisputed 🐐
I'm a huge Messi fan but Ronaldo is undisputably better. Idk about whos the goat though
If your a Ronaldo fan or a Messi fan you've gotta stick by them
@@ObeseGorilla229I’m the number 1 Ronaldo fan but I have to admit Messi is so much better than him in every way and it’s not even close. Messi is the undisputed 🐐.
@@RoyalChallengerofBangalorehuh he never said he would stop watching ronaldo
Best player ever hands down! Many of us felt that way before the World Cup, now it’s a no brainer!
Not even top 10, the best players change football Messi and ronaldo just scored a lot of goals. They did nothing to change or make the game better
@@Manbearpig4456 not even Top 10. Lol. Dumbest thing I’ve heard all day, congratulations!
@@Manbearpig4456 Stop wafflimg clown
@@Manbearpig4456 when the weed effect wears off come back to earth
@@ranjitprakash1986 mate your Indian you can’t play football let alone talk about it. How’s it feel watching England change the face of test cricket? Literally 1 billion of you’s and your shite at every sport you try to play
It was never a debate. Actually shocks when people say they watch football and try claim Ronaldo is a better player
Are you also a United fangirl…
Penaldo pr..
Better goals record and has done it in three different countries.
Totally agree. It was never even close
@@jamespalmer980 yes Messi with Barcelona, psg, and Argentina 🤩
Messi is easily the greatest to ever play. It’s not even debatable at this point.
Not in Maradona league. Zidane was a more graceful player too.
@@jamespalmer980
Zidane can’t even dream of being mentioned in the same breath as Messi. Stop it.
That isnt quantifiable by fact, its an opinion
Where was the "called greatest" in his prime during 2014 and 2019 for his country? I remember THE GOAT had the name "international bottler"🤡
@@Rnbsoccerstar7 cry hahaha gotta deal with it for eternity now
This still feels so surreal, I am trying to watch shows to actually assure myself that we won.
You are indian not argentinian you didn’t win anything 😂😂😂
"We" applies very well... ☺️
We? You’re from Blackpool
@@tlangelanishikwambana8596 ‘shikwamnana’ another fake argentinian…😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Johndoe-gf7eu people can support whoever they want 👍
After around 2015, Messi's ungodly talent had already earned him a place among the two other football gods: Pelé and Maradona. But with the 2021 Copa America and now the World Cup, Messi became the greatest of them, in my opinion.
Ronaldo did come close to being counted among them, simply by virtue of his outrageous goal scoring ability. But his international career fell short. He is one of the greatest players ever for sure, with an illustrious club career, full of individual awards. But now that his career is ending, to me he finished at the level of other legends like Cruyff, Zidane, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo Nazairo, and Beckenbauer. He probably tops that list. But he does not make the GOAT shortlist. To do that you have to become more than a player - you have to transcend football to become a national a hero and change the sport itself. You have to have created legendary moments that got burned into people's memories, and which will be remembered for generations.
Ronaldo always lacked that thing you can't describe - the touch of genius that set Messi, Pelé and Maradona apart. He was a goal scoring machine, but not much else. What truly set him apart was that he was the most marketable player ever. But he's no hero - he's a brand that was distributed en masse.
He's not even close to Messi. He never was.
I would put R9 in the same class, talent wise, as Maradona, Pele & Messi.
Injuries, at a very young age, derailed what could’ve been potentially the greatest career ever. Remember, Ronaldo at 22 had already won the Ballon D’or & FIFA World Player twice.
@@manan612 Definitely agree.
Sadly, in the end, it doesn't matter what could have been, only what was.
@@manan612 R9 without injuries was argubably on track to on be the greatest player the game would ever see
@@oomar4597 dont think he would surpass Messi tho. Ronalod's best season he got 47 goals in 49 games. Messi got 73 goals in 60 games. Clear difference there and Ronaldo was a ST.
@@aidan2849 R9 scored 47 Goals at the age of 20. He could’ve come close to matching Messi’s Goal scoring records.
The thing that Messi has over him is his exceptional passing ability. Messi is one of the greatest passers I’ve ever seen and he makes passes that literally make my jaw drop!
The debate was over before the World Cup but now it’s cemented
Ronaldo is better. Debate still exists. Cry 😂😂😂😂
@@Johndoe-gf7eu No
@@Johndoe-gf7eu for you not for football era it's already over mark my word in future FIFA will publish the best players of all time😍 Ronaldo would be 3 or 4
@@Johndoe-gf7eu Yeah, he is better at bench warming 🤗🤗🤗
Before the WC it was debatable, Messi was 21 - 25 (peaked), CR7 was better 28 - 32 ( peaked) & of course Messi is good now at 35, but after the world cup the debate is over. Messi the goat.
It never should have started. Nobody is on Messi's level.
Messi was the GOAT since 2012.
Nobody has ever played a season at such a high level.
they said he cant do it without xavi and iniesta well he just did
2 balon dors and countless goals and a World Cup and a copa without them
You really think the standard of the world cup is better than the champions league? hahahahahahah
They are just clown hater fans bro
@@vybez1792 think you meant 7 balon d'ors
Hasn't been close to a CL without Xaviniesta.
There was never a debate imo Messi can still turn defenders inside out with skill and pace. Ronaldo started to lose that at 32 and had to change the way he played.
Ronaldo could only ever get past 1 player anyway, he doesnt have the technical skill or agility to do what messi does, he just relied on his speed and strength.
I'm no big fan of Cristiano. But, tbf, Messi also adapted his way to play when he turned 30. He has to decide if he turns alien. Back in the days, he was alien as soon as the first whistle was blown until the game ended. I have seen so many games of him, especially from 2007-2015 that it's not fair to claim he hasn't had to adapt his style. He had to.
The point here is, that - despite being 35 - he is still the best player in the world. That is something no one had ever achieved, this kind of continuity for at least 15 years.
I can't recall exactly if it was in 2004 or 2005 when Dinho was voted player of year by fifa. He said in an interview after the ceremony ( and I quote): "This award here says I'm the best player in the world, but I'm not even the best player at Barcelona." He was referring to Messi, of course. I think it was in 2005, but don't nail me on that ^^
Messi is the GOAT. He's won it all! This world cup was the missing piece of the puzzle. What a brilliant way to end his career !
End? You'll watch him play in 2026 m8.
u meant goat only on football ????
Yesterday, heart and passion won over skills AND arrogance... I am very happy that Messi fulfills his dream (and that of football fans all around the world). Congratulations Argentina, Congratulations Lionel Messi 🇦🇷🏆🐐
Yes the French are arrogant but your comment seems to be suggesting that Argentina and Messi didn't have any skills. I strongly disagree.
skill and arrogance? France didnt have one singe shot on goal for 80 minutes, there was no skill from their side. they looked beat from the kickoff
I'm happy you alluded to the arrogance of Mbappe and France. Argentina showed tremendous strength to come back from three body blows -- a lesser team could have not pulled that one out. Vamos Argentina!
Las habilidades las hizo Argentina.
lol in what world do france have more skills than argentina? france had advantage in physical and speed aspect and maybe more known names in the squad because argentina squad most were young and unknown. but in terms of skill passion and heart argentina is definately better even the argentina goalie outskilled the useless french ´´legend´´ lloris who can´t save penalties from 10 year old boys in trainings
There was never a debate...
Messi's always been the better dribbler/ ball passer / playmaker / more consistent free kick technician / all while scoring prolifically.
Cristiano could only compete with Messi on the goals front. Once his ball playing style fell off, after 2013.
Mbappé is the future of football, once Messi hangs up his boots.
The young lad went out on his shield. Dragging his team back into the match, after the 80th minute. Incredible talent.
Ronaldo still has more goals tho, so what is messi competing with when he has less? 😂
Ngl I could never class the number 2 goal scorer of all time the GOAT. Have some shame
@@Johndoe-gf7eu clowns like u are the reason y penaldo keep lying to himself.. penaldoo is old thats all.. messi has 6 golden boots clown..ronaldo at messi age never had the amount of goals messi has..penaldoo is just old..
@@Johndoe-gf7eu The amount of goals isn’t everything. Messi has a higher goal count per game, straight up more assists, is two years younger than Ronaldo (less time in the leagues) and has shown to be the better leader.
@@Johndoe-gf7eu Messi is the team's playmaker, he just happens to score as many goals as Ronaldo while doing his real job.
Real football fans know its been over from the start messi was always a better player.
Straight facts bro
Nobody would have said this if Ronaldo won the World Cup.
@@aryan.4855 yes they would 😂 anyone with functioning eye sight know messi has been better for years. The world Cup just shuts the fan boys up
I couldn't agree more, I've been saying it for years. Unfortuantly we're living in a time where stats are the deciding factor on a players quality for some strange reason but if you just watch both players with your eyes, Messi is miles ahead
Factual facts
I can't imagine any player under the kind of pressure Messi was under in this Final: the pressure from his country, his peers, his team, everything. A pressure unlike anything I've seen in sport. That alone puts him above anyone else.
Maradona would have loved to watch this game RIP arguably the most dangerous player ever
France's subs made a huge difference, they were phenomenal. Scaloni almost cost Argentina with the Di Maria/Acuna subs, bizarre.
di maria was gassed ….he couldn’t go 90
@@bangladeshirealtor He subbed him off far too early, just the threat of Di Maria on the pitch was enough to scare France. Game turned on its head when he went off.
No…. Otamendi nearly threw it away Scaloni made great decisions. Argentina were cruising up until otamendi panicked
Yeah Otamendi should not play anymore bcis he always has this type of error in him. Lissandro Martinez not playing was strange especially with 5 subs!
I don't know what Scaloni sees in Otamendi.
There is already another Ronaldo with Mbappe but there is no one in world football or that has been born yet that will do what Messi has done.
Ahh yess mbappe has scored 800 goals. Defo already another ronaldo there. Braindead
Maradona right there the original one
Mbappe already has a world cup, he can beat messi lol he is just 23, has 15-16 years left, obv he will beat him
@@rpb007 yeah he has about that amount of time to win 7-8 ballon d’ors 4-5 champions leagues and 42 titles.
@@rpb007 at his age Messi has two ballon d'or. Until he wins one, u r emotional. Mbappe wudnt beat Ronaldo not to talk of Messi. There are level to this things.
beg to differ with all of those folks that say now that the goat debate is at last over. for the past 17-18 years there was never a genuine debate for many of us just as soon as messi had burst onto the scene under the great ronaldinho's tutelage. or if there ever was a debate, it's been settled a long time ago.
In your opinion yes 😂
It’s even over, mans getting excited like it’s proved something 😂😂😂saying someone is the goat isn’t quantifiable by fact 😂😂😂😂its a subjective opinion. R
@@Johndoe-gf7eu subjective opinion backed by the relevant facts...........
@@Johndoe-gf7eu as i very much appreciate your comment, i've got just one remarkable quote to share with y'all: "if you don't love messi, you don't love football !"
Agreed, there was never a question. The only people making it a debate are people that love drama and fabricating over the top rivarlies. Ronaldo is a good goal scorer, thats it. He will be remembered as a goal scorer. Messi will be remembered for his goals, assists technical ability, dribbling and all the creative little things he does on the pitch.
I find it funny how ronaldo is never compared with Pele or Maradona, but Messi is. I think thats quite telling.
BTW.. I didn't want Mbappe to get that 3rd goal. I wanted Hurst to hold that record forever but imagine scoring a hattrick in a World Cup final and still losing. Gutted.
people overhyped mbappes hattrick 2 penalties in for the same team in a world cup final is a disgrace and hurst achievement is stil better unless he got 2 penalty goals too of course
There was never a debate
Mbappe shows how the penalty should be taken, pick your spot, shoot with pace and power. Even if the GK guess the direction right, there’s no chance he could have save it.
Remind me of Ruud van Nistelrooy way of penalty taking
Harry Kane could learn something.
They were some extremely good penalties. Especially with the pressure involved
What the guy who missed and allowed Arsenal to become the " invincibles " ??
,the Argentinians scored better penalty's than Mbappe !!!. It takes some nerve and talent to just roll the ball past the keeper !!!!. Power shots do get saved !!! If the keeper guesses the right way . But to eyeball the keeper and send him the wrong way is just natural talent !!!!.
no doubt. but please nobody ever mention mbappe in the same breath with the greatest one.
You can really tell the debate was settled after the final by the fashion in which Ronaldo fans reacted to it. Their arguments went from elevating Ronaldo to headlessly bashing on Messi and claiming the whole tournament was rigged. It just reeked of desperation. That's how you know they're lost. They're both amazing players, but it's never been a debate in my mind.
Mbappe scored 4 goals in one game whereas Kane only scored 3 goals in 5 games and yet the British still hype up Kane as the best striker in the world, yeah right 🤣🤣
I'm mean......we are England and kane is English? What tf did you think was going to happen? literally every country hypes up their nations best player😂.......
Harry Kane was one of the best strikers in the world around 4 years ago for sure. Just not now.
Biased deluded English. NASA is still looking for the ball Kane blazed over 🤣🤣
@@Two_Seat_Pete_FatA55 He's still got 12 goals in 15 games in the league as well he is still bagging goals now in and despite his bottlejob at the WC still had 5G/a in 5 games. It's a shame about his ankle injuries he was run into the ground and lost a bit of pace his prime came a couple years to early for england
Tf you on about
It is just even more settled. This is ridiculous to think he wasn't before the final
Now say that without crying
@@Saroj7-7-7 Abe bahadur ro to tu hi raha hai🤣🤣. Penaldo ke tatte
Has anyone checked on Ronaldo and Piers moron this morning?
You edited to change Morgon to moron. Cringe
There would be an awkward silence in ronaldo’s house 🤣🤣
I’m waiting for his sister’s tweet…
@@rameeziqbal8711 I didnt as it goes, it was always moron. I edited it to include 'has' as it originally just started with anyone
HAAAAAAASSSS ANYONE SEEN RONALDO? HAAAAAAS ANYONE SEEN HIS SISTER? HAAAAAAAS ANYONE SEEN DADDY PIERS?
" Haaas anybody seen Ro-nal-do? You took one helluva....." 😄
She said be more classy, be classy and lose? I love Emi Martinez
I will be honest, I'm a united fan and a few months ago i would have said Ronaldo is the greatest cause i was bias but now that I don't have that bias towards him anymore it's obvious messi is the better player.
1)There was never a debate to begin with.
2)There was never a comparison to begin with.
3)The goat debate was invented by ESPN and the media.
4)Messi should have only be compared to Arjen Robben and Neymar.
5)Ronaldo is just a good goal scorer to be compared with Drogba, Tevez, Aguero, Suarez, Batistuta, Mbappe etc... That's the right comparison.
6)The greatest Ronaldo accomplishment was to be compared with Messi for 15 years.
7)The only HATE for Ronaldo is that he was too overrated for too long.
8)Stop using Messi in the same sentence with Ronaldo.
facts
The debate was already over even when Messi just started because Ronaldinho declared to others that they were going to see the greatest player ever in Messi!!
The meatriding for Ronaldinho is crazy
There was never a debate for the people that knows football.
This is just a FY for the people that doubted messi.
GOAT
Ronaldo vs messi was a media move nothing else, pr37 never was in messi's league they both played different game
@@deepankarbiswal6915 💯. I watched so many matches of ronaldo. Till this day i dint understand why people compare them.
You have messi and then a very big space between him and the 2nd best player in history. In my eyes that was maradona, because he preformed 🪄 also.
Ronaldo is just a finisher
@@WZG897 most of the top ranking never put Maradona as the 2nd best player, its messi or Ronaldo. Maradona was not great and also the football in the 80s 90s was very different than it is today. You can't compare modern football to the old one. Makes no sense
Messi is the goat and maradona had magical moments and the talent.
They both have the wachtfactor also the 🪄. They both carried a bad argentina team to the worldcup finals en even win it.
Ronaldo is just a goalscorer and relies on his teammates to create goals for him. His skills are most of the time just bs with no efficiency.
Ronaldo at number 2 is just BS. Ronaldo is just PR. I am not a ronaldo hater. I admire his work and for me he is at 4.
Messi Maradona R9 CR7
This debate is OVER for those who only take the prize as the ultimate GOAT indicator. For a real football fan, this debate was over a long long time ago and some think this was never a debate to begin with.
There should never have been a debate, anyone who’s ever thought Ronaldo is better doesn’t have a clue I’m afraid
Ronaldo has a better goals record and has done it in three different countries in more inferior teams.
Messi fans need to realize that there's something called personal opinions and it's okay for people to have different opinions. There's more to football than passing and dribbling.
If I were to rate their strength this is how I would rate them.
Dribbling: Messi 10 CR7 6
Passing: Messi 10 CR7 7
Heading: Messi 5 CR7 10
Sprinting: Messi 8 CR7 9
Aerial: Messi 5 CR7 10
Left foot: Messi 10 CR7 7
Right foot: Messi 4 CR7 10
Leadership: Messi 7 CR7 9
Goal scoring: Messi 10 CR7 10
Assist: Messi 10 CR7 7
Physique: Messi 7 CR7 10
Penalties: Messi 8 CR7 9
Freeckicks: Messi 7 CR7 6
So CR7 > Messi in my opinion.
CR7 is more complete.
@@jamespalmer980 Messi has a better goals per game ratio throughout his career and a ton more assists. He was still smashing it during the decline Barcelona as well. His records against the prem teams (best in the world apparently) in the champions league is also incredible so I'm not really buying it.
@@jamespalmer980 really, manu, juventus and rm are inferior teams
@@guccibase Didn’t say you couldn’t have an opinion but it’s an ignorant one. Messi is technically on another level to Ronaldo & it’s not difficult to see, CR7 may be able to match him for goals but he’s never dictated games on his own like Messi does
There never was a debate Ronaldo isn't in the same league as Messi, Messi is up there with Maradona and Pele.
Ronaldo has more goals than all 3, how can you seriously say he isn’t up there. That’s just agenda and bias, man has scored 800+ goals. You just sound stupid saying that, no one will take you serious
@@Johndoe-gf7eu The debate is who's the goat not who's scored the most goals, Pele's goal per game ratio is far better than Ronaldos , you didn't mention Ronaldo scored 130 penalties in his 800 Pele scored 30 , Pele has 3 world cup medal's Ronaldo has never scored a goal in the knock out rounds in 4 world cups.
The debate has never existed, Messi has always been better at PLAYING football than Ronaldo those who want to raise CR7 to Messi's level simply don't know football.
You may mention that in your opinion Cristiano is better but in reality the facts speak for themselves.
Which facts? All you can say is Messi best playmaker but ignore how much luck he have on his teammates compared to Ronaldo.
Is messi now better than ronaldo in aerial skills after WC final? No and there are plenty abilities messi dont surpass ronaldo.
Ronaldo has records messi will never break and so is the opposite.
@@Rnbsoccerstar7 just loving to see you people cry since yesterday night. 🤣🤣
There never was a debate to begin with how the hell can a football fan seriously watch messi and think a player is better than him
Prime Ronaldo kept up with prime Messi, that’s why.
@@aryan.4855 no he didn't. He's never been anywhere near as good a footballer as messi. The void between the two is huge the only thing that makes it close is the numbers.
@@aryan.4855 Nah no one had everything messi had. The best chip best placed curler best dribbler incredible playmaker. He is the greatest
@@reddev96 Messis always been the better footballer but tbf performance wise he did kind of keep up with him or get as close as you could get I'd say until around 2015? Cause he was doing crazy things in his prime also If that's fair to him, but from then on anyone who didn't say Messi I'd ask what they were watching or smoking lol
@@aryan.4855 I never saw anyone get 91 goals in a year 73 goals in a season win a sextuple in a season none new kept with messi
The question is no longer whether Messi is the Greatest of All Time? but, Is Messi the Greatest Sportman of All Time?
The way ronaldo has handled the end of his career has made messi the goat before the world cup, humble, passionate, true professional. Ronaldo’s ego trumps everything else.
Word...
@@arik1511 Nah mate...tru sporting terms as well
@@lalruatfeela13 mate, you ain't got no mates.
There was never a debate. Any person who is unbiased and who knows football clearly can see there is no comparison at all. Messi is by far the greatest player of the modern era. The way he plays brings magic and on top of that doing that at the highest level for over 15+ years is insane!
Messi, the GOAT!
It’s finished Leo is the GOAT
Talk when Messi will win hattrick of ucl
@@Saroj7-7-7 he has 4. U can use Google bro lol
@@Saroj7-7-7 He already has 4. You must be new to football
Over indeed! 🇦🇷🐐
This was my first time watching WC and before the tournament starter I predicted the final 2 teams, the score and the winner funny enough. My cousin who has played his whole life said it was too good to be true and would never happen but it did. I wish I was more shocked but I'm so happy for Messi. Definitely made me a new fan.
😂😂😂😂 people have really compared Messi to nearly everyone and everything that breathes.
2nd best goal scorer of all time 😂😂😂😂
@@Johndoe-gf7eu World Cup🤣🤣 where’s PENALDO????
Toxic Messi and Ronaldo fans be like:
- Gain superiority complex just for saying “I like Messi/Ronaldo”
- Get genuinely pissed off when someone says something bad about their favorite player
- Try their hardest to defend their favorite and start attacking other people who don’t agree
- Feel better about themselves when the other player is doing bad (that’s messed up when you think about it)
- Gain overconfidence when their favorite is doing well
- Dismiss the other’s achievements
Everyone out here just enjoying Football and the toxic Messi/Ronaldo fans just focused on what to say to attack others. Waiting until something happens so they can go online and start hating, those fans probably don’t even watch much football.
@@ykg2393 Ronaldo has 5ucl and Ronaldo has same international trophy as Messi
Now keep crying
@@Saroj7-7-7 kuy maa chuda raha he be idhar
EMI Martinez was outstanding and I’m over the moon for the wee guy from Rosario I actually tipped France before it started but still screaming my head off during that game for Argentina to win
Thank god. Hopefully I won't ever have to hear another commentator comment on how world class the way he brushes his hair back is.
Ronaldo has gone from #2 behind Messi to barely a top 5 player of his generation. His huge ego, toxic behaviour and selfish personality ruined both Juventus and Manure. He does more harm than good these days. Even was a colossal distraction for Portugal. Crynaldo has become a meme. To even compare him to Messi is insulting and embarrassing to all football fans. At this point, the only people who still rate Crynaldo are simps who are in love with him but don't understand football.
If he retires with the most goals ever he’ll always be in the debate no matter what….
Ronaldo played for Juventus only for like 2 years and still became the top scorer, your jealousy towards Ronaldo won't do anything, not much would care bout your opinion
@@rpb007 joined a team that had won 9 titles in a row and ruined them with his toxic ego. Your love for Ronaldo is laughable, he's not gay though so your simping and hoping he will fall in love with you will count for nothing bro
It was never a debate, it was just click bait.
There’s no comparison.
Agree they should compare messi to ozil or de bryune
@@Rnbsoccerstar7 both clear of Ronaldo 😂😂
I feel so sorry for Jamie sharing the morning with these two 😅
Well said. Natalie just comes across as bitchy trying to argue with Jaime.
@@rosshaugh7937 i don’t wanna be a hater but I honestly can’t listen to talkSPORT on a Saturday because of them two !
Who should hear hear on the other clip … Jesus.
Jamie is 100% right, he keeps it’s real.
@@thecheltenhamroarpodcast5317 😂 I hear ya! Laura woods I’d also painful to listen to.
@@thecheltenhamroarpodcast5317 horrible pair these two
It was never a debate if you where're a manager on the training ground and had to pick one of the 2 you would pick messi over cr7 everytime
yep
No mention of his struggle at Barca ,who helped him with his growing. Hard time of it to begin with.
There shouldn’t have been a debate anyway all you have to do is watch football to see who was better but I’m glad he’s won cos now there’s no argument at all
Well said
Did watch Portugal? How can it end the debate when one guy BIG LUCK (messi) and the other guy very unlucky (cr7)???
Its the same with messis stats during Prime barca while ronaldo had to play in broken Madrid (0-5 and 2-6 El clasico first season)
No doubt messi is very talented and most gifted player but he isnt better than cr7 and maradona
@@Rnbsoccerstar7 literally watch Messi’s highlights and you will see who is better. Put your biases away, look with your eyes
@@Dranzer21
I watched and a saw a "good" performance. His teammates played well too... btw: Which did biased messifan(boys) blame this time if Argentina not won WC 2022? You couldnt pick SERIE A RECORD TOPSCORER Higauin this time due he retired long ago
Messi is the goat piers Morgan an cr7 in tears since yesterday
People who understand even a bit about Football always knew Messi was arguably the greatest along with Maradona..and to do it in the WC at 35 was mind boggling.. no one else could have done that!!!
Maradona was arguably not greater than Pele or Cristiano Ronaldo
Messi is not the best World Cup performer ever - but his combined success internationally, domestically and the longevity makes him the GOAT!
The GOAT debate was over long time ago. For me personally, it was settled when I first saw Messi at 17yrs old. The debate was over once Messi was born. This world cup has nothing to do with it
Messi for me even if Argentina didn't win it
In a penalty, goalkeeper is already at a disadvantage, and strikers do all kind of shenanigans in their run up, some delay it; so anything that helps a goalkeeper to level a playing field is fair game.
It's called a penalty. There is suppose to be a disadvantage towards one team. They are being penalized for an infraction.
@@bluemoon1716 In a shootout?
@@JohnS7S a shootout is equal to both teams so i still don't see an issue
Much respect to the referee he had a brilliant game
Salty french are you?
As great a career as Ronaldo has had, there never was any debate for people who know football. Messi has always been a far superior footballer.
Pele had 3 World Cup - only player at 17 single handle Brazil to win
Hard to beat Pele youtube clips agianst an actual messi match.... So boring
Single handed? You obviously know nothing at all about those brazil teams you fool
Pele was good for his time
He was the GOAT anyway
Pele is the goat
@@Saroj7-7-7 Pele a bum
@@TheKnowledge1 now say that without crying
@@Saroj7-7-7 penaldo fans now becoming pele fans😂😂
@@inotest2584 Messi is even best in his country and you comparing him with king Ronaldo go to sleep man
Mbappe just showed the English what it means to be elite.. Mbappe took 3 penalties in a World Cup final against arguably the best goalie at saving them.. Harry can learn something. Respect 👏🏽
Now Mbappe needs to leave that Sunday pub football league and go to a "Top Club" with real history honours 👍
@@Trailhiker1 yeah he needs to join man united
LOOOOOL. Don’t embarrass yourself, in the sporting world england are clear. Where is frances world champion boxers? Weak country. Great at kicking a ball around like a girl, but not good at fighting, or olympics, or F1 etc 😂😂😂
@@Johndoe-gf7eu what exactly are you talking? You off your meds or something?
@@LeoBov1 what am I talking? Sporting achievements, england are clear of france. Put your olympic gold medals on the table aswell, we have more 😂😂😂
It was over when Messi joined the lowers leagues in France in the USA. Great players don't play against inferior opposition. It's like Verstappen winning races in F2 and people comparing him to Hamilton in F1.
Messi has been the greatest of his era since he was 23 or 24. It never needed the World Cup to confirm that. First there was Pele, then Maradona, and now Messi. It could be a long time until we see a player of that legendary calibre.
Anyone with a footballing brain new before the final that their was never a debate.
If you have a footballing brain, then why aren't you a footballer?
@@Fractalchemystical 😂
Portuguese coach and players are very happy now.
If Messi is the best, then how did he lose to Saudi? Surely part of the criteria of being the best is to never lose to a team like Saudi? Control ur emotions, your intoxicated by messis team winning the cup
No other player has dominated the game for that many years
there's a reason you cant spell Messiah without Messi
remember when pundits were saying Martinez was too small - well he's just won the biggest game ever
He literally didn’t play the final and wasn’t a main cb . He won yes but this doesn’t disregard their argument
@@bashuggs1205 yes it does 😂😂😂😂argument was over ages ago. Played a massive part, started against poland and made a game winning block. Started another game and has been used a sub several timeS
Dont worry roger, these people see anything united related and seethe through their teeth 😂😂😂we have a world cup winner, souness and carragher will be fuming 😂😂
@@bashuggs1205 wins the world cup but doesn’t disregard their argument 😂😂😂😂im crying hahahahaha, just admit youre wrong, martinez is a success, its okay to admit
@@Johndoe-gf7eu sure the argument may have been over before but the World Cup would have changed nobody’s opinion on martinez
Messi Messi Messi what a guy!!!!!
Messi is 2nd best in his country
@Hari bahadur yeah and I'm third best in mine haha
@@Saroj7-7-7 who's first?
Strikers get to show off and celebrate almost every game.
Goalkeepers only really have shootouts to do it so some of them make the most of it.
For me Argentina was first to the ball,aggressive,kept formation,and played faster than usual starts (on purpose). Threw the French off. Got up 2 nil and tried to breath a little bit and got caught slipping. The French took advantage and made it one of the greatest world cups of all time!! For me this was a beautiful game to watch from start to finish.
the final was amazing
I always said, when you watch the actual games, Messi is clearly better
Messi is now on par with Maradona and Pele
messi is league's above those both, they both hadn't weren't playing in such a level for so long
@@deepankarbiswal6915 thats because they both accomplished it before they were old, unlike messi, however I said on par didnt say they were better than him or him better than them, I recognise greatness which he has now achieved, thus he can imo now be classed as the same as the other goats, messi is greatest in our generation like Pele and Maradona were in theirs and to suggest messi is better shows how little you know of football , im guessing but your probably 15 to 25 years old and love fifa 😉
He Was the GOAT before the world cup. People crazy that this world cup somehow changes it smh. Goat regardless.
Maradonna is still the greatest player ever to have graced the game
Depends how you judge greatest...certainly the most naturally gifted player i have ever seen personally
@@garymanders1273 agreed
I watched him live multiple times and he wasn't as good as Messi. 2012 Messi scored 91 goals and no one has come close before or since then
That would be George best
@@microfarming8583 fair enough! Its all opinion
Ronaldinho knew before he played for Barcelona he was going to be the GOAT. If people couldn’t see how brilliant Messi was playing for the Barcelona team then what are they watching. There never was a debate 👀⚽️🐐
I never had the cruety and madness to ever debate about him being the greatest....
I bow before no kings but to Lionel Messi alone
Should have won in 2014 too
if only Higuain could finish...
Germany were the best team in 2014.
@@wonjubhoy no they got lucky in 14
It was Di Maria that performed in that single match that made the lead possible. Enzo was a revelation. Messi inspiring team players, sure. It's an effect. But it takes a team to win the world cup. What happened yesterday is a series of events that culminated in Argentina's success. So with that said, has Ronaldo been in similar conditions that would allow him to inspire his team to win the world cup? We keep obsessing over this fallacy that there is a GOAT.
Ronaldo was supposed to do that in this World Cup and santos didn’t bowed to media pressure. I feel under different circumstances he could have had a much better final World Cup but there’s no shame in being the second best player of your generation. Big ups to CR7 he is one of the best to ever do it 💪
Romero, Mac Allister, and De Paul were all huge😬
If Ronaldo won it, y’all just finding excuse now
Except Ronaldo’s narcissistic attitude and obsession with records could never allow his team mates to have the same level of devotion. He’s also only been a poacher for the last 8 years so it’ll always end up with it being too focused on himself. Ronaldo even went into this tournament with a far more stacked team on paper.
Ronaldo, He’s still the best goal scorer ever 😊
Lolllll it looks like it pains these two that Argentina won 😂
It does? If you say so.
Messi, R9, Maradona were all blessed with ungodly, unreal talent it's just that Messi had all the pieces in the place at the right time Honestly what a storied career.
Messi With the worldcup is just a cherry on the top..🍒
Many misjudge him in past and said this guy is a flop.👎. he got his self backup with many failures around the block.👌
A worthy inspiration that you never ever have 2 give up..💪
Even before the wc he's one of the greats.🥇He still manage to win everything with average teammates.👪👪
Evn at 35 at the highest level my goat dominates.💀The magic he does on the pitch no one replicates.🙏
no one imitates ,his will is beyond reach.🌠
The perfect footballer that has the skill of an artist..✨✨
nothing is left 2 prove he's in the leaque of his own..🌟
He's hungry like a dog and still lookin for a bone.🏆🏆
Writing his own story no one is sharing the king's throne.👑👑
We cant deny the magical moments what our messi has shown.🎆🎇🇦🇷🇦🇷🐐🐐1️⃣0️⃣🐐🐐
It's never been ronaldo vs messi, it was between messi, maradonna and pele but that world cup win puts messi 1st and low key that mbappe performance puts ronaldo 5th.
Feels like someone's feeling's thinking since their🧠 melted
ronaldo is top 3 whether u like it or not. Won many ballon dors
The World Cup win puts Messi in 3rd place. He will *ALWAYS* be behind Maradona and Pele. As for Cristiano, he only just about scrapes into the top ten.