S&W Carry Comp Part-1: The Definitive Reveiw
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I can't stop watching videos for this revolver! I think it seems amazing with so many great factors. It sits in the sweet spot of the perfect size. And with those grips It's the best-looking Revolver I've seen..
Thanks Jamie!
This is how you do a review. Proud owner of an model 19-5 for 35 years. Happy holidays 12-20-2022.
Same to you!
I have the PC L-Frame comp and I love it. I am glad that you are loving your k-frame just as much. Semper Fi.
Thanks and Semper Fi,
Great, I really look forward to this.
Starboard side! Love that. Congrats on such a pretty revolver!
Thank you!
I’ve been following the progress of the purchase & repair of your M19 CC. I also am a fan of model 19/66 Combat Magnums. I picked up a lightly ‘used’ M19 at a show about 10 years ago. It started my affair & education of all things S&W. From revolvers to Gen 3 autos. I appreciate your knowledgeable videos. I know you’re not just a hobbyist. I would like to purchase 19 or 586 CC in the future.
Thank you! They are both out there, but you might have to look for them a little bit.
Excellent revolver H.R.!
Can't wait for your follow-up review!!
A smooth but slightly heavier trigger is how I do my trigger jobs on revolvers, no cutting or bending of springs, just polishing.
I just wish this one was a pound or two lighter. I’m hesitant to change the springs because I don’t want to risk misfires.
I'm always learning new stuff watching Mr. Funk, even new words. If you run out of ammo, ostensibly, you can throw your revolver at your opponent's face and it should knock them out! 😃
Yes, that's called the "El Kabong factor".
Wood grips always look so much classier on a revolver, especially a blued one, but rubber Pachmayr Gripper Professionals go on all my revolvers that I actually shoot. They just feel better and let me shoot like a laser beam.
Congratulations, it’s an absolutely beautiful revolver (the new grips enhance the aesthetics). I look forward to parts 2 and 3, especially whether the compensation is worth the lost velocity. THANKS so much.
Thank you! Part-2 should be up soon.
My back-up and most common off duty carry gun is a 642 Pro series j-frame. The trigger was terrible when I bought it. I installed a Wilson Combat spring kit and shot it a lot. It’s pretty fantastic now for an-frame, and measures just under 10lbs. Never had a failure to fire with many different primers (I handload for it).
Beautiful wheel gun, and the new grips are in my opinion, the perfect choice for this firearm.
Those new grips are off the charts awesome! Very cool gun.
Thank you!
I got one last year and haven't had any issues with it although I've only put 400-500rds through it. The tritium is somewhat pointless as it is very small and the front sight is difficult to pick up in daylight as the blade is wide compared to the rear notch. The standard orange ramp is better imo. I have VZ grips on mine and it's a neat gun.
I've been carrying S&W revolvers since the mid-1970s and I've painted all of the fronts sights red and the back sights white. It works for me.
Well done I have the same revolver. Looking forward to coming updates.
That grip change really makes that piece stand out. Nice.
I am not a big revolver guy, but I do have more than one. I really enjoyed your precise evaluation and check out of the revolver. I am sure It will help many of us who are not revolver experts down the road when we evaluate or purchase future revolvers. Very enjoyable review!!!
Thank you! I am glad you liked it.
Good video H R. Nice mod 19.
I love my old 2 1/2" mod 66 and my old nickel 4" mod 29-2, but my new Magnaported Performance Center 4" 329PD, my new 4" Classic Engraved mod 29, and my 6 1/2"Magnaported Performance Center 629DX are really nice to carry and shoot also. My old ones deserve a break. 😎👌
I'm shaking my head here. I own a 1995-vintage K-comp from the Performance Center, and the action is outstanding.
It’s probably similar to the action on my 2.5” Model 19. S&W changed some of their internal parts when they went to a frame-mounted firing pin. I don’t think those changes did good things for the D/A trigger quality.
I bought this rev used from a local shop and got it to the range and noticed the barrel was slightly over clocked, took to my gunsmith and fixed. Really nice revolver
When shopping for a Model 19 a few years ago I lucked into a LNIB 1973 four inch Model 66 w/stainless adjustable sights. I like the upgrades S&W has made to the one featured in your video.
Yours is a treasure considered superior by many to the newer generation. I value and like both series..
You have a beautiful revolver and even though the original grips were really nice, I love the new grips. I'm looking forward to the next video. Thanks and have a great day.
Thank you Keith!
I appreciate your pointing out the seemingly-subtle, but important, engineering changes to improve barrel durability at the forcing cone and lockup. I would have expected a Performance Center-tuned model to have a lighter double-action trigger pull weight, but, like you said, it *is* smooth, and after firing a few hundreds rounds...
It is getting smoother and lighter with use. I should probably way it again to see where it is now. Thanks for watching Ken!
Love the content and the way you shoot videos. I can't believe I'm just now finding this channel.
Thank you, and welcome aboard!
I have almost the same gun, the 586 L-Comp and I love it.
❤ thank you sir you have renewed my interest in revolvers. I think I want one of those.
Great video, thanks. Appreciated the detailed overview. I just took delivery of this same gun two days ago, and eagerly awaiting range day.
Congratulations! Be sure to let me know how it does.
I picked up a nice used example at a gun show this weekend to add to my wife's revolver collection. I'm going to put a Cylinder and Slide rear sight and XS Big Dot front sight on it as the Tritium insert is dead.
I hope she likes it.
Like your choice for grips!
I started Patrol with a 6" Model 19 I bought back when I turned 18. I carried it for years on Patrol in a high ride holster. Back then, guys were moving away from clamshell holsters (dangerous...it takes two hands to reholster). For Detectives, I bought a 4" 19 and shortly thereafter a 2 1/2". Using the shorty's issue trigger, shortly afterward I went two boughts of 60 rds each with158 gr magnum ammo during a combat tournament. I ended up with two bloody trigger fingers. After that, I had a gunsmith exchange the barrels. I sold the 2 1/2" square butt for my cost and carried the 4" round butt (the smith also smoothed the serrations on the trigger and I did this to all my S&W revolvers). I added some custom grips and all was well. I used an original Roy Baker Pancake holster. I carried an FBI speed strip holder pouch on the belt and a speed loader in each coat pocket (convenient to flipping the coattail back on the draw). It still has a smooth as glass action. We went to issue 4" Model 66s and later 686s before going to Glock 22s. I never went to comps but earned my Expert with my revolvers. Oh, the memories. Thanks. Semper Fi
Semper Fi! There’s just something about a good wheelgun.
Nice revolver. I have been eyeing one myself. I am looking forward to the range video.
I like the grips at 1:30 . I use a pair of faux Ivory scales on my Model 19 2.5" with my initials engraved and a Tyler T grip. It's been that way for more than 40 years so I probably won't change, but that style of grip, "Boot" grips, with the exposed backstrap and the filler behind the trigger guard without any extension to the length of the grip frame provide the same contour and grip. Sort of like a "built in" grip adapter.
Nice looking revolver. Glad you got it fixed up.
I am waiting for the shooting test! 👍
Thank you Gary. In my next video you will get a chance to see my 2 1/2" Model 19. I think you will see we have similar tastes when it comes to grips!
@@hrfunk I think have seen yours before in a video, and yes, the grips are almost identical, except for the engraving. My grips just have my initials. Great minds think alike. 😁
It's good to get what you've wanted. I was that way about my model 69 from 2014 till 2020 when I got one. Silly revolver, but it makes an excellent .44 Special with the option to go higher if you like pain.
Ha ha! I have a 629 Mountain Gun that I really prefer as a .44 special. With Skeeter Skelton’s load, It makes a great all-around revolver.
Great Video ! I have this revolver and I love it .
Great job on this review ! Subscribed !
I’ve been researching information on the classic Model 19 four inch barrel and the this Model 19 Carry Comp and I ran into this video . I’m liking this one a little more than the classic model 19 , but my only concern was the small handgrips , which I see that’s an easy fix , although for the money this Comp Carry costs I just wish S&W would offer the stock rosewood grips long enough to accommodate the pinky finger like those Altamonte grips you ( which look very nice btw)
Semper Fi 🫡 coming from an 82nd Airborne Division veteran 🪂 raised by a Marine (my father )who fought in the Korean War 1st Marine Division.
Very nice revolver ! The stocks look fantastic as well
Thanks Bob!
I love shooting mine. Changed out the grips to Altamont Altias. Great for carry in a Kramer holster. This is a potent package worthy of your investment.
What holster do you use?
@@wardog5537 A Kramer horsehide holster. Out of Washington. 12-14 week wait but we’ll worth it,
I'm all about the kframe smiths too. I got a red dot on a 66 2.75 that is pretty fun. But I can imagine putting it on this to be the ultimate "tacticool" carry revolver. I mean... Besides the trr8 of course 😁
Ah yes, the carry comp, I have the bigger brother 586 L-comp, one of the sweetest revolvers I own. I'm sure you will enjoy this itineration just the same brother. God bless.
Thank you!
After 30 years of having to carry a semiautomatic hand gun, since my recent retirement, I've gotten back to revolvers and the 586-L Comp, was the first recover, I bought, then a 686 Signature Series. Love a .357, 125gr.
@@crafty714 Yes indeed, .357 magnum works just fine for me, 7 rounds of 125 gr. hollow point should get the job done, if not, it might be your time. I as well own the 686 performance center slab sided revolver, that would be my second favorite, after that line'em up anyway you want to. God bless you sir.
While talking to others I found two different cases of two new S&W 586 revolvers with cracked forcing cones.
First I’ve heard of that issue. Sounds like the barrels might have been over-torqued.
I am glad that s&w took care of the issues you had with the 19 carry comp. Just keep in eye on the trigger over-travel stop. The little screw on the trigger caused a small gouge on the frame. Every time I pulled the trigger it would do that I did talk to s&w and they said that it was normal. I don't think it should be doing that. Anyways good luck and enjoy your new revolver.
Thank you. As I mentioned in the video, I am not tremendously worried about the finish on this revolver. If it gets a small blemish from the over travel stop, I won't sweat it. Thanks for watching!
Excellent review of the S & W Carry Comp! It's a beautiful piece.
Thank you!
The 586 L comp is only 2oz heavier and the cylinder 0.08inches wider but has 7 shot.
I’m just partial to the K-frame.
That’s a very nice pistol. Thanks for the video.
You're welcome Michael. Thanks for watching!
Interesting grip and over all size.
Altamont does indeed make very nice grips. I'm a satisfied customer, too.
Thanks for another great video H.R.
My pleasure Jason.
Mr. Funk, what a great video on the best carry revolver made. I agree about the grips and like the new ones and also recommend Altamont. I also recommend TK Custom and their kit may help with the DA trigger pull. One question I have about trigger pull is if the pistol needs to be in a vise for an accurate measurement? With this revolver, I recommend Grant Cunningham's book "Defensive Revolver Fundamentals." Let's see how it does on the range and what ammo you like in the Model 19 Carry Comp.
The Carry Comp has now been in 3 or 4 videos, and I’m quickly coming to think
Of it as a “go to” wheelgun for CCW. It might be about time to give everyone an update on this one.
Not sure what the application would be, the comp and night sights defeat each other in the dark. At 34+ oz it's double the weight of many other CCW options with less capacity. The short barrel doesn't take advantage of all the powder in the 357 cartridge causing a large mussel flash and noise especially with the comp. If you want a revolver for CCW there are many other better choices.
I am not sold on the comp either (for different concerns) however the night sights will definitely help with the first shot and only experience will tell us about follow up shots.
As to your comment on concealment smaller revolvers are harder to shoot and concealment falls on a spectrum. Is the Glock 19 obsolete because the Glock 26 exists? Is the Commander useless because there is an Officers model? My J frame serves for pocket carry less so for belt carry under a cover garment.
@@ftdefiance1 J frames ,especially scandium framed, and other small revolvers are harder to shoot. CCW is a compromise where size and especially weight win out. For CCW the only practical reason for a small revolver over an auto would be reliability. Using your example of the Glock 19, the 43 or even the 42 does make the 19, if not obsolete, an impractical choice.
@@notgiven4799 perhaps you should tell that to Glock as the last time I saw the numbers the 19.was the sales leader
As to your suggestion that the only reason to favor revolvers was reliability I disagree..
I am only recently a Glock 19 guy. Older one, Gen. 2, 8lb connector but 3.5lb trigger spring. Ends up roughly 5lbs.
Why does it matter? Flawless reliability, feeding, extraction and ejection, and the early pistol does not use MIM striker or extractor. "Reliability."
Now factor a six-shot "snub" and comp ported 3" .357mag round going off, versus 16 shots of 9mm 124gr +P ammo on board.
I am not a big Glock fan. It's just a tool. And the darn thing works and is lighter, loaded, than the Carry-Comp is empty.
You might want to reserve judgment until you see the remaining videos in the series.
Looking forward to these comparisons and range tests.
Coming soon Sergeant Major!
@@hrfunk may need to consider this revolver, my 3rd off duty gun was a Model 19 2.5" Blue .357 1972 carried in the now discontinued Galco Executive Shoulder Holster. In those days THE COVETED off duty was Model 36 Chief Special so popular a year wait. First 3 paychecks 3 guns. The HSC MAUSER .380, COLT COMMANDER BLUE 1911 .45ACP and the S&W. Kept that revolver the longest. Had a 4" tube put on her at S&W service center Tampa. A round butt 4 inch, slick as can be in its action. Very accurate and with Herritt grips good in my hand.
I’d like to tell you I never swapped rubber grips for rosewood, but I cannot. I don’t think you or I are vain, we just like fine things. Beautiful (now) revolver HR.
Your reviews are exceptional!
Thank you!
Interesting revolver, great new grips. Couldn't make it for the premiere unfortunately, having rather a busy schedule lately. Looking forward to the range video !
Thanks Mark. Hope to see you at the Premier!
Great looking revolver ! I own one myself
I carry the 632 carry comp (327 fed) version of this. I haven’t had any issues and the J-Frame size makes for easier concealment.
Do you have any trouble finding that ammo?
Great review I really want to get the 586 L comp
Engineering wise, the new Model 19 appears to be a superior design to previous versions. However, there is no excuse for S&W not putting tritium inserts in the rear sight blade, preferably of a different color than the front insert. Nor is there any excuse for a Performance Center revolver having such a heavy DA pull right out of the box. My old custom tuned 4" Model 19 has an 8- 9 pound DA pull that is smooth as glass. The SA pull breaks between 2-3 pounds. I've found comps are more effective on longer barrels. Frankly, I'd rather have the extra inch of barrel and sight radius than the comp. I wonder if the comp creates excessive flash in the dark. I agree about the grips. I can get by with a J frame in 38 Special, but a mid-sized magnum needs full grips. This was a good review of its features.
Same. My 6" 686+ is smooth as glass and light SA/DA. Do you know of some good grips for L-frame that won't prevent speed-loader use?
Thanks Colonel. In my next video. I'll start getting into the performance of the Carry Comp and I'll be comparing it side by side with some older Combat Magnums.
@@nt6351 I have a 6" 586 that is very slick. I don't know if the previous owner tweaked it or if it came that way from S&W, but it is a sweet shooter. It arrived fitted with aftermarket smooth wood fingergroove grips that are very comfortable, which was a bit of a surprise because I usually find such grips don't fit me. My Model 19 also sports a set of beautiful checkered wood fingergroove grips that fit me well. I bought them off eBay a couple of years ago (because they were so gorgeous and priced right) to replace the black rubber Pachmayr Jordan style I'd been using for decades. Both of my sets of fingergroove grips have speed loader reliefs, but as for their makers, I can't say. They appear to be no-name brands, despite the S&W emblem embedded in the eBay special. I think I got lucky with my grips, so, unless you're feeling lucky, I suggest you look for grips without grooves or else with light grooves. My recommendation would be something along the lines of my first set of aftermarket S&W grips. They were large square butt grips made by Herrett's (herrettstocks.com) and I used them to replace the skinny magna grips on an old Georgia State Patrol surplus 4" Model 28 I bought while I was still in college in the 1970s. They were relieved for speed loaders, and after I ground off the "tail" at the bottom rear, they felt great. Today they adorn my 6" Model 28. Herret (among other companies) also offers Jordan Trooper grips for folks with large hands. I don't own any and I don't know if they are cut for speed loaders. Another popular grip style was the Roper, which are still available in a variety of styles from companies such as Nill. I'm only scratching the surface of options, but the one grip style I steadfastly avoid are the oversized S&W magnum grips. While they are hand-filling, I have always found them a bit awkward and tiring to hold. Your hands may differ. Maybe some other viewers can offer a few suggestions.
@@Paladin1873 Excellent, thank you for that useful information. I'll certainly look into the companies you mentioned. Also, it's nice to hear you've had such good luck with your previous revolver purchases. May you enjoy them for many years to come!
@@nt6351 Ditto (and for the record, not all of my purchases have been so lucky. The worst handgun I ever bought was also a S&W).
I have a sweet spot for a fine revolver. I prefer the tapered barrels of the older S&Ws, though. Strictly a matter of aesthetics.
Great looking revolver!
Thank you!
A very informative series of videos. Thanks. I've seen your S&W PC FAIL videos too. Also very informative. I bought a Model 19 CC due to, in part, to your reviews.
Last Sunday over Memorial Day Weekend 2023. I inspected the new S&W Model 19 Carry Comp that I ordered. I canceled my order today, Monday, and got a full refund.
The problem is that there was a very deep scratch on the cylinder running from lug-to-lug exposing the silver-colored steel under its matte black coating. I spoke to the store manager, who attributed the scratch to “normal wear and tear" and stated that a spring loaded lug catch scraped across the six lugs causing the scratch.
The manager said he inspected four new Smith revolvers he had in stock, that all four had a similar scratch, and insinuated that is to be expected when buying a Smith and Wesson revolver. The manager said he wasn’t going to send the revolver back to his distribution center for them to send it back to S&W. Instead, he said he would put it on display for in-store purchase because, “There isn’t anything wrong with the gun.”
Lastly, the mounting screw on the rear sight was damaged, the brown paper that the revolver was wrapped in was torn and crumpled, and the red-colored cylinder protection disc had been removed and was found loose in the case. These flaws are relatively minor, unlike the deep scratch. Still, I was surprised that a new firearm and associated accessories was presented to me in such a deplorable condition. I expect better.
I inspected many Smith M19 CCs featured on UA-cam over the last couple of days and didn’t see such a scratch on any. I still want to buy this make and model, but in new condition, without that scratch, and with the packaging in good condition.
Question: What are your thoughts regarding the above? Are my expectations reasonable? Are my expectations likely to be met? Or, am I just barking up the wrong tree? Sorry for being a little long winded. Thanks for your input.
Hi Steven, thanks for watching. The "turn line" on the S&W cylinder is normal. However, it is usually very faint or invisible on a brand new revolver. It's appearance on a display model at at gunshop would not be surprising, given that the revolver in question is likely handled and cycled by perspective buyers. On the other hand, if a revolver is represented as being "new in the box"it should not be too distinct (or it should be absent altogether). I have to stress that this applies to S&W revolvers. Other brands may or may not exhibit a similar mark (depending upon their design). Regarding the sight screw, without seeing it, I can't really offer an opinion one way or the other. I hope this helps!
@@hrfunk Thanks for your input. It was very helpful. My understanding is that the revolver in question came directly from S&W via the store's distribution center. It was offered as "new in a box" and yet it showed the wear of a well used revolver.. Curious. I look forward to buying a new M19CC that is in new condition. Thanks again. Cheers!
Good News! I purchased a new M19CC in immaculate condition last week. It is in pristine condition other than very slight turn lines to a degree that I found acceptable. I am very happy with my purchase. It is a beautiful work of art. Thanks again for your input and support.
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Good for you! I hope you really enjoy it. Be sure to let me know your thoughts after you get a chance to shoot it.
My 66-8 has that new cylinder lock up and sleeved barrel design. I personally think it is better engineering. Some people may not care for the aesthetics of the muzzle end. Since mine is not a Performance Center model, it does not have the over travel screw on the trigger shoe. It does have blued hammer, trigger, and cylinder release. On the inside, other parts like the rebound block are blued, so no stoning for anything to try and smooth it out. Only firing it, dry or otherwise to smooth it out. I think my round count is still under 1000. Possibly even under 500, but I do have a lot of 357 cases that I ran through my tumbling media. The pistol takes hot 357 Magnum loads much better than my hand does! One thing I wish S&W did was keep the barrel at the traditional 3" rather than shorten it to 2.75". That's just a minor nit. I don't think it affects ballistics that much. I also installed Altamont grips on my 66-8. And I switched out the front ramp for a Dawson Precision fiber optic sight. I think you're really going to enjoy your Carry Comp.
Thank you! I'm going to get into the performance specifics in my next video.
Them stocks if fancy. Musta been selected by Miss Mimi.
Howard great review. You almost have me wanting one, ALMOST! I will wait to see your 1 year update after a good quantity of ammo goes down range. Two items I find disappointing, trigger pull especially double action and the lack of a polished blueing. I understand your sentiments regarding it being a carry gun, but it didn't prohibit S&W from furnishing a really beautifully finished revolver in the 70s. I'm still toting some of those around today. Yes there is some honest holster wear and some have developed that plumb patina but just LOVE a high polish blue. I would be willing to pay extra and wait longer, if it were an option.
I know what you mean. That is precisely why I want to keep my older revolvers in the best condition possible.
I have 2 original 1st and 3rd model U.S. Schofields, the 3rd model still has a great deal of bright original blue while the first has seen much Cavalry carry and is patined.
I have the same gun and would like it if you could show all the holsters you use and buy for this gun. I am looking for more options.
I am already considering a holster video. Stay tuned!
That is definitely one beautiful revolver! Looking forward to the next installments in the series. Do you intend for this to be a carry gun for you?
Yep. Not every day but when the mood strikes me.
@@hrfunk any idea what type of holster you'll opt for?
Making me more and more jealous that I can't own one! I agree with you about that rear sight, though... sight setup preference ought to be an out-of-the-shop option on PC firearms. That double action, pull, however, is a bit of a letdown. Nothing some judicious polishing of the internals wouldn't shave a couple pounds off of in a hurry... but again, shouldn't be necessary on a PC gun. Personally, I'd opt for that rubber grip, mainly because I'm a bit smaller guy, with small hands and a small waistline, so it would work out well for me.
Beautiful revolver, I thought I was gonna get lucky and trade my Glock for a S&W 19 but my friend backed out. Can't blame him since he has the better gun. Great video as usal👍👍
Thanks Jim! I hope you find another one.
Hope you enjoy the Carry Comp. I love mine!
"[heavy trigger pull] I am sure that after a few thousand rounds" - Shouldn't Performance Center gun be already broken in and ready to go? Few thousand rounds these days means a couple of thousand dollars. That's an expensive break-in on a high end gun.
I agree. I think these days they polish the parts, but they still use standard Springs. I may end up swapping out the springs in this revolver for some that are a little lighter.
7 lbs DA would be much better for a performance Revolver . Beautiful collection 😍❤
Thank you.
Kframe Smith snubby, so cool.
This vide is awesome!! Can you please tell me which model of Altamont grips you have? I have the same issue with my little finger hanging😮 🙏
As I recall, these are the gray/black laminated stocks. If you check their website, you should find quite a few of them there.
Well, the new design looks good so far.
I have large hands, so I also am not a fan of the boot grips. As far as the lock goes the only time I have ever seen any issues with them is when a friend somehow got the lock stuck in the locked position. I am not sure how she managed it, some debris got into it when she "cleaned" it and locked it for storage. I was able to get the lock open and clean out the dried gunk that was in there. After that the revolver has worked normaly.
For all the Internet chatter about that issue, I have still never talked to anyone who has actually experienced it. I think it's another one of those "problems" that is somewhat overstated.
what a Gorgeous Wheelgun that is. I really love how S&W Guns look.
I have a GP100 that I love but I hate the way Ruger does it's Branding. they just plaster 7 Shot 357 Magnum on the Barrel. Id rather it be small like S&W does it.
A few times in the video, when you are demonstrating the DA pull, it appears that there is a little cylinder "jump" which would be when the cylinder stop is not fully clear of the cylinder notch when the hand begins to rotate the cylinder hence "jumping" into rotation. This will vary whether the trigger is pulled left handed or right handed and/or if the cylinder actually has rounds in the chamber. Just something to observe. Once again a great video.
Good catch. It did that a little bit early on. Now after many cycles, it seems to be completely gone.
@@hrfunk Good, I'm glad. You know, of course, "in my mind" I already had the sideplate off and my gauges out. Best regards.
Maybe I'm just an old soul or whatever you wanna call it, but I'm innately more accurate and competent with a revolver as opposed to a semi-auto.
I've had my eye on one of these for a while. I'm sure she'll be more than worth the wait.
After returning from S&W this revolver has run like a top and it’s very accurate. I am becoming quite fond of it.
That front sight roll pin sticking out on the right hand side triggers my OCD no end. Can it be driven in and be flush on both sides?
Ha ha! If I decided to noise me, I will tap it into place better.
Curious if you have explored the topic of holsters for the Model 19 CC further.
I'm finding choices a challenge. I'm looking for a mid-ride, OWB leather holster that covers the full length of the 3" 19 CC. I'm also interested in a shoulder version of the above. In the best case for me, I would like a fitted holster with a tension retention screw. However, I am open to one with a thumb break.
Have you come across such a thing?
Is it likely this configuration made for the M66 that would fit the 19 CC? I am open to minor refitting of a M66 holster for the 19 CC.
Thank again for your input, your videos, and in general your explorations into the world of the S&W Model 19 Carry Comp.
I haven’t really explored the topic mainly because I have acquired so many good holsters over the years that work with the Carry Comp. There are probably no other revolvers in existence with more holster options than K-frame S&W’s. My advice would be to take a look at the options available from different manufacturers and decide what you think will best meet your needs. Also, don’t forget used holsters. Many times there are good used holsters that can be purchased very reasonably. In fact, you might want to try two or three different types of used holsters to see which one(s) you prefer.
Nice to see such a tight cylinder gap; that's probably about the tightest I've seen! An 11 pound-plus double action trigger pull -- no matter how smooth -- is unacceptable in a PC revolver, IMO. I have no idea why they seem to vary so much from one example to the next. Of the 7 or 8 PC revolvers I've owned, I've had them from about the same as yours on the high end (a 327 TRR8) to an incredible, 7.5 pound pull on a 686+ PC 5". The latter revolver will be passed down to my son. The trigger pull was actually lighter and smoother (albeit longer) than my Korth Mongoose, and better than any trigger job I've ever had that didn't result in light primer strikes. Oddly, I had the same model in a 4" version, and the trigger was over 11 pounds. I haven't measured my 586 L-Comp, but I would estimate it by feel at between 9 and 9.5 pounds. As smooth as it is, I find it acceptable. Sometimes, I think, they just put in a Wolf standard strength, ribbed mainspring and call it a day. Other times, they are clearly doing much more with the action.
I tend to think mine has a standard spring. It is very smooth, but heavy. I may end up swapping out the main spring and the rebound spring for something a little lighter.
what no range time . Can t wait to see it shot . Ilove mt new mdel 19 with the 4 1/4 inch barrel.
Stay tuned Steve. That part is coming!
Nice man!
Thanks Mark!
i like the smaller bird style grip and i prefer the sight blade close to the frame like this. the trigger guard looks a bit short, but i could live with that. otherwise, it looks great to me esthetically very appealing. i often carry my pistols butt forward, revolvers with small, rounded grips are nice that way.
I actually have a cross draw holster on the way for this one. Watch for that in a future video.
@@hrfunk i draw from the same side, not sure if thats a cross draw. i should be more specific. i'll look forward to that.
@@hrfunk I'll be looking at that holster. I need more than just one choice.
I have always liked that revolver but after following this adventure I am truly surprised by the lack of quality control on this revolver
You might want to reserve judgment until you see the actual performance. The next video will be up soon.
@@hrfunk Chief wasn’t really judging was just disappointed that it left the factory like that I am 100% sure they made it right
A three is a good gain over a two but you lose much velocity compared to a four for only another inch,some like the three like Patton.Nice gun has what I want you have there,big grip looks good .
That is a sweet piece I would like to see a video on proper cleaning and lube of this revolver its next gun on my list / what holster is that your sporting ?
I have an older video that’s been up for several years which covers revolver cleaning. There are also many other videos out there dealing with that topic. The holster was made by a local Leathersmith. Unfortunately, he passed away some years ago. Thanks for watching!
@@hrfunk 👍
I was always told to lightly hold the cylinder to give it some resistance while checking the timing. Apparently to mimmic a lack of maintenance or other conditions. Is that not necessary?
I do that if I have a revolver that’s getting close to being out of time. It shouldn’t be necessary with a brand new revolver.
I've been a revolver lover since 1982 and never once have I seen anyone do a timing check like that. I really appreciate learning that even in these later years of life. I picked up the PERFORMANCE CENTER® 586 L-COMP. Other than the extra round and sized up frame, have you ever noticed any other performance differences?
The L-Comp also takes moon clips. That’s another nice feature. It’s hard to go wrong either way!
My M19 Kcomp was sent back to S&W for quality issues. Service replaced a canted barrel shroud, and a dead tritium front sight
I am not sure why there seem to be those sort of issues with these top of the line revolvers. I would think, as a matter of corporate pride, they would be inspected very closely before ever leaving the factory.
I believe the problem these days compared to days of old is twofold, to much automation in specific areas where it should be hands on, and, that they no longer test fire each and every gun before it leaves the factory. I could be wrong though, I was wrong once before, long time ago.
Somethings I’ve already changed on my own 19CC. The grips. I sold both sets that came with the gun since they aren’t going to be used. I wasn’t a fan of either option and bought VZ grips instead. I plan to change out the rear sight, and drop an Apex Kit into it.
Yes, the VZ grips with the aggressive knurling, best grip on the market, not the nicest looking if you want a nice BBQ setup.
I may change a few things on mine as well. Stay tuned!
@@hrfunk Hey Mr. Funk, the VZ grips I speak of are the Tactical diamond grips. As you purchase these grips, it's like gripping sandpaper, which given your extensive and experienced background you'll find is most advantageous given sweaty, wet, or potentially bloody hands. I appreciate the various beautiful offerings from Altamont and Hogue and as such, I own many of their grips. But, from a practical, potentially life saving standpoint, those VZ grips are my go too.
My uncle modified a GP100 to have
Did you experience any misfires?
@@hrfunk no I did not. That light trigger on a .357 just caught me completely by surprise. I was very impressed
Sweet!
Honestly I like the optional rubber grips that came with that gun, I wish Smith & Wesson made them available for purchase for those of us who have older K frames that didn't come with those
Hell I wish I could buy something like that for my jframe 😅
Just ask them, maybe you're lucky and they just send you the rubber grip you want.
They are virtually identical to the grips Uncle Mike's used to make. If those are still available, I think you will like them.
@@onpsxmember Yep, just give them a call and they will send you some for free. I did that for my model 66. The grip screw receiver was cracked. They did not even question me.
@@hrfunk unfortunately, I don't think uncle Mike's still sells grips
I think Smith and wesson bought that part of the company out
I might call Smith and wesson and see if they'll hook me up
Hope that one day soon you will acquire one of those Model 19 K Comps from the 1995 blast from the past 'Guns' publication, that would make quite a legacy pairing. And S&W owes you a debt of gratitude for your choice of grips, the Altamont not only looks more pleasing but makes better sense for the size of the gun's envelope and purpose. Those boot grips would be a better application on a K Frame maximum concealment snubbie 2" .38 +P, like a resurrected Model 64 or an improved 12 lightweight with stainless barrel and cylinder on a scandium frame. If you've got someone's ear at S&W please exert your influence.
Unfortunately, I don’t think anyone at S&W has ever heard of me, so I have no influence to use. Still, who knows? Maybe we’ll see some other classic K-frames resurrected.
@@hrfunk You're too humble, they know now about who you are and your following are their clientele buying new and classic guns of theirs. Among others, customers following yourself and other youtube presenters would be considered by the late Colonel Jeff Cooper to be "cognescenti: top tier and your perspectives are credible with your viewers considering their next purchases, or by passes.
That guns double action trigger is about 5 lbs heavier than most vids of the same gun I’ve seen. Is it brand new?
Yes. It has also lightened noticeably as it has broken in.
Is the grip frame the same size as the old ones? With the boot grip on it looked shorter.
It is the same size, and it will except all the same replacement grips.
That’ll make a great trail gun, which is what my .357s do these days.
I think it will do a fair job as a carry revolver too. Stay tuned for the next segment!
Great detailed review. Just one suggestion (for you and most other gun reviews). Its a shame seeing such a nice gun in close view without first taking a soft brush and cleaning the fine dust off just before filming.
The annoying thing is that it’s invisible on the tiny view I see when I’m recording. Then when I see the larger view, things like that practically jump off the screen.
Nice thanks
Beautiful!! I was just gifted my dads old (early 70s) Model 19-5 Blued just like yours. It’s pretty beat up as my dad shot it/carried it allot!! Any advice on cleaning it and restoring it? Thank you 🙏
I would strongly suggest not trying to do those things yourself if you're not already skilled in the process. The last I knew, S&W would still refinish and rebuild their older revolvers. As I understand it, they come back looking and functioning like new. It's not cheap (although less than a new handgun), and I'm not absolutely sure they still offer that service. Still, for your Dad's revolver, it might be worth a call to find out.
@@hrfunk Ok great! I’ll look into it. Thank you for your response. 🇺🇸
I'm looking forward to how it shoots
Stay tuned! The next segment will be coming up soon.
Excellent review.
Thank you!