S&W Model 19 Classic vs Original
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2019
- Comparing the original "Classic" with the New "Classic."
Original video with the old Model 19-3: • S&W Model 19-3 .357 M...
Previous video with the new "Classic" Model 19: • Model 19 Classic Smith...
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Yes Sir
Lol
Great response. Trolls gunna troll. Just like mosquitoes gunna bite. Ignore them and move on.
YES SIR
I Agree
To those that think Hickok copied my video, it wasn't intentional and it's not a copy! These types of flukes happen more times than many of you may know. 😀 The truth is, Hickok filmed this before I filmed my video, he just didn't release it until after I had released mine. He didn't know my video was out there. As evidence of this, in this video he asks you to join the NRA which is something they stopped doing some time ago, well before I filmed my Model 19 video. It's just one of those freakish incidents that happen in life. Great video guys!!!
Tim and I considered helping to start a conspiracy rumor about this, but after a little thought, we realized that others would do it for us. There are already folks out there on social media who demonstrate expertise in this area. :-)
I bought my 19 back in the early ‘70s and carried it as a off duty weapon. There wasn’t A finer revolver out there in my day. The trigger squeeze is as good as it gets. I’ve always took great care of my weapons and i still own it to this day. At 82 I’m giving mine to my daughter when I cross the Rubicon.
Bought a 19-3 back in mid 70's from an Oakland California motorcycle cop for 150 bucks. Best gun buy I ever made. Story has it that he had to shoot two guys that were holding up a store on E. 14th St. in Oakland with the gun and it kinda bothered him so he sold it. Doesn't bother me a bit, best shooter I own.
One of my friends accidentally hit a child with his car. The accident was witnessed and it wasn't his fault but he literally never touched that car again, let alone drove it. The girl was checked out at hospital and only had cuts and bruises.
don't know anyone who has one now, well made and classic firearm
Are there two notches carved into the grips?
I have a 1957 Smith and Wesson Combat Masterpiece that my police officer uncle killed someone with in the line of duty. He never touched it again and my mother passed it on to me.
@@charlietuna660 keep it, it's a valuable pistol,
I’ve had my Model 19 since 1980. It fires just as nice today as it did 40 years ago. You just can’t go wrong with it. 👍👍
I agree with you Hickok. I would never buy that so-called Model 19 “Classic” what a joke. I bought my 19-4 in 1975. I carried it at times as a patrolman in Philly. Due to holster wear I sent it back to S&W and had it re-blued, simply beautiful, A REAL CLASSIC. They inspected and replaced any worn parts. I love it.
Bought my model 19-3 at Big 5 in 1975, $167.50. I was 21 years old, and this was my very first handgun. This gun got me into reloading, put thousands of rounds through it. I have bought and sold dozens of guns since, but managed to hold on to the 19. With the current severe ammo shortage, I have rediscovered the joy of shooting this great gun with my target handloads! All shooting double action these days, makes for a good house gun.
The S&W model 19 was my very first handgun too!
So much nostalgia. After I was taught about firearms and how to shoot them with a 10/22 and a Mark II around the age of 8, I graduated to a Model 19. I still have a special place in my heart for .38 special and .357 magnum and of course the model 19. It was a perfect progression for me. Flat, accurate shooter and controlable magnum fun at a young age got me hooked.
My bad I forget that I'm gotta a Rossi and never dream of shooting anything else hell I seen that video early one Sunday morning um yeah sometimes folks realize they never trying or think of someone else's pistol ever
I prefer the darker wood on the original.
They're cutting costs by NOT having to stain and finish the grips, just like they're saving and NOT having to polish their stainless revolvers, leaving them an ugly brushed/matte finish. IMHO
Its all personal preference i guess.... 🙋🏻♂️me loves the new grips 🤷🏻♂️
✌🏼😎👍🏼
After a few years they'll darken
@@vtbrian3252 They'll never look the same, as they are different types of wood. The old ones are Goncalo Alves, the new ones are some form of Walnut.
I just got one and it has beautiful American Walnut stocks. That can't be cheap and they ARE darker. I also have a Talo version 686 with American Walnut stocks. Goncalo alves looks good but I have to say American Walnut is hard to beat. I have several early S&W revolvers and the two current models. They are all really nice.
The shrouded barrel stainless and shroud is indexed to the frame. Torquing the barrel into the shroud clocks the system into place. Nice engineering.
The nose ("firing pin" in barrel) is weaker than the firing pin.
The color case hardening on the mim parts doesn't look as nice as on forged steel. I suspect the mim parts are very good but it doesn't take the CCH.
Got my 19 from my dad. He got it when he was a LEO in late 50's. Finest firearm I own.
My 19-3 still going strong. Beautiful workmanship!
Great video. My dad was an NOPD officer in the 80's and this was his duty gun. He recently passed and left it to me. Is a beautiful piece of hardware that will be passed down.
I inherited a 19-3 model from my grandfather. I believe by researching the serial number it was from 1972. It's a beautiful piece and I'm happy to have it!
My 19-5 has been as faithful as my Last 3 Labrador Retrievers (just not as smart or well trained ;)
Just watched this vid while cleaning my freshly soiled model 19-5. I have no experience with new ones but the older ones are perfection! Thanks Hickok, and Happy New Year!
A frame lock and sleeved S&W will never be in my safe. Love the 19-3.
I feel what you are saying. I have a 19-5. Super firearm and I shoot it well. Will only gather more old ones.
I hate how they have the frame lock. :-(
If you do not like the safety and sleeved barrel I get it. I will not use the name the safety is referenced to. The safety can be removed and the hole plugged. Sleeved barrels are used by some of the best revolver makers. If those features allow me and others to own this firearm I am grateful. I rather see the classic line being made available then not at all. I also wish they would provide the options to satisfy us all.
@@BeeBee-wo1bh: The Model 19 "Classic"/ Model 19-9 has a more beefed up Forcing Cone too, due to the stronger lock-up design.
I'd trust a steady diet of .357 Magnum through the Model 19-9 over the original Model 19's.
The classic S&W's are far more elegant looking handguns than the new ones.
The difference is like old truck like my 63 c20 vs my 2012 f250. Your gonna get 10x times the millage out of the new than the old with less problems and more comfort. I was thinking about buying a 19-3 but I've changed my mind and buying a new 19 classic after lessening to a retired officer that worked on them for yrs. He gives a complete take down from a repair point of view and per session work ability for each part. Its like which would you rather have a wife that looks better or one that works better and is going to give you more reliable faithfulness though the yrs.
@@jeffdowler9130 Good analogy. You can't shoot a steady diet of .357 Magnums in the old Model 19's made from the 1950's through 1980's, and I wouldn't even trust the ones from the 90's. I only do so every now and then.
I have a Model 19-3, and a 2020 Made Model 19 Classic. The new era Model 19's are GOOD TO GO with a Steady Diet if general purpose 357 Magnums, and Hickok45 himself has said: "If you're going shoot HOT GAME LOADS of .357 Magnum Cartridges, then stick to Lever Action Rifles", ergo, for ANY .357 MAGNUM PISTOL: It's a smart and sound habit to avoid using a steady diet of Hot Game Loads in
.357 Magnum Pistols of any kind.
I'm 33 and every revolver I own was made before I was born.
Dude, i hear you there, 3 smiths, .44, .357, .38 all older than iam buy at least 40 years. Cool pistols to have, love revolvers, i carry the .38 chief.
I have owned a Model 19-3, 6-inch barrel, nickel finish. It's a beauty, has a serious single action hair trigger, very accurate. Would never get rid of it, for any price.
I have one of these (new 19). It's actually a well made gun. I do like it. It is DEFINITELY a very pretty gun. That said, it lacks the pure beauty of the original. The bluing is different (I think that some of this is that the polish isn't quite as good underneath the bluing). I would like to not have the key lock hole. That said, I got over that blemish a very long time ago. As for MIM parts, Smith has used them for a very long time (as have other manufacturers). I've never broken one and I've been shooting for decades.
I have an early model 686 SSR with the forged parts. The hammer broke off. Now I don't trust their forged parts. I sent it in and they replaced the part under warranty.
What are mim parts?
@@DirtyDan1 mim is an acronym that stands for “metal injection molded”. Early on, this technique produced metal parts that would sometimes fail due to the steel not being as strong as forged steel parts are. The technology for mim has improved significantly and it’s relatively rare for a mim part to break. That said, while forged steel can break, it’s still a fair amount stronger. Arguably, forged steel is overkill for some parts, but?
@@cmonsterz It's not just MIM technology, but new treating techniques that are post-mim processing. There's ways to efficiently hand-treat & temper mim parts that do mimic forging techniques, but not as labor intense, time consuming, and costly. MIM Processing is much better understood today than when it came out in the Mid-1970s.
Bought my model 19 (Combat Magnum) new in 1972 with some fur money for $145.00. Wanted something convenient to carry while still on the trap line during deer season. Still have it.
That 2002 may be named The
Classic, but the 19-3 is dripping with ELEGANCE.
Having the 2 1/2" 4" 6" 19-3
All manufactured in 1972 the
Year of my eldest Daughter I have it all covered.
Gilbert Osuna Yes those 19’s are great! I actually took a 6” Model 19-4 & changed the barrel to a 2 1/2” so I could have a 2 1/2” with a square grip butt. The original 2 1/2” has the round butt grip as you know. Good Day to You!
TIER ONE That was a Great idea 💡 LOVE S&W Revolvers
and they will NOT FAIL
Great video and very informative........ I'm a long time viewer and have really enjoyed your videos over the years. Thanks!
Your shooting with the pistols always impresses me. That 2 liter and gong shot with that little gun! Very cool!
Good stuff. Thanks again Sr & Jr Hickock
Good video. I agree with your comments. I have several S&W revolvers from the 60’s and 70’s. The golden generation of revolvers.
I bought a new one in 76. it had a 6" bl and was a nickel finish. Probable the best and my personal favorite pistol I've ever owned. The nickel finish cracked on the cylinder once and I sent it back to S&W., and they fixed it for free. Since then only 38+p and light 357s. Great gun!
7:38 I found a 4 inch 19-3 at my local gun shop for a steal of a price under $700 and it's in great shape.
The only thing better than a S&W model 19 is two of them!
Thats what I'm talkin bout brother👊💯👊
I have the real classic 👍🏻 great video
A 586 model is cool either!
Prefer the 66, but yes..
Yes! A 4" and a 2 1/2", then you have to get a matching pair of 66's It just never ends!
I carried a model 19, loaded with Super Vel +P as my CCW for years. Awesome pistol, excellent trigger.
I own one passed on to me by my late father in law 15yrs ago with a 4" bbl. Love it.
I found and bought a Mod 19-3 4" in a Pawn shop today. It is pinned and recessed and doesn't appear to have ever been fired. Seriously! Pinned and Recessed for $569. I can't not shoot it. I was 20 -23 yrs old when it was made. It came from a collector's family after he passed and I doubt the store or the family knew its value. I had an Ahrends Retro Target grip for it and I'm in hog heaven. I guess even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while :o)
Great video! Long time viewer and just wanted to say how much I enjoy your videos.......very informative and well done.
The bullets go where Hickok tells them to go! Pretty good group on the cowboy for just messing around! I’m not super old but I’ve started to appreciate wood furniture and older models more lately. Polymer is functional but has no soul. Been loving wood furnished shotguns and revolvers lately. Great vid as usual!
The world loves you Papa HICKOK!! Killin it review! Pls keep rollin the clips. Your the best!! 💯
Just acquired my best friends model 19-4. He passed away in 2000 and his wife finally decided to let it go. Just the sentimental value to me was worth it at any price. Only thing missing were the original grips as my friend loved aftermarket grips. I’ll shoot it this week and remember all the good times we had at The Range. Great video.
That's cool that you have it and can shoot it for him.
We are of a similar age & era, and I as well lean heavily toward vintage firearms. There are newer to new pieces in the vault, but I love the old ones a wee bit more. My son has pushed me into owning newer gear... and I enjoy all of them. However, I have swayed him toward shooting vintage firearms and loads. In the end, we push each other and learn something useful in the act.
This guy is cool. With everything that is going on with gun violence today he still manages to make them seem safe and fun. Don't own any firearms myself but i intend to own at least 4 or 5 some day.
I bought my Model 19 in 1964 at the Rodman Naval Exchange in the Panama Canal zone. I ordered it with target trigger and hammer along with smooth rosewood stocks. I carried it all over south and central America including the Amazon. It was also my bear protection gun later in Alaska. I still have it and it's still a great firearm.
That bluing on that old one 😁😁 vs the new is gorgeous
I wonder how they're selling.... For me, ill spend the extra money and get an old one
They should have made the new just like the old. ....calling it a classic and all. Pathetic.
Are old Smith revolvers that expensive in the US (I mean more than a new one)? I feel it's really not the case here in Europe.
@@AxLWake depends on what you want, P&R will be more expensive and of course condition matters
New vs. Old boils down to how much do you want to shoot it? I have a 19-4 that I shoot but not as much as I'd like. I plan on buying the 19-9 to shoot as much as I want.
@@AxLWake It is a collectibiliry or rarity price. Certain models aren't as commonly found for sale here. It's not that all S&W guns or even revolvers are more expensive for older models, just certain models.
“Classic” is simply a marketing term that is employed to draw in those that are wanting a old school revolver . Those buyers are likely young and don’t have the knowledge or experience to know the differences. Perhaps the buyers feel that these “classic” revolvers will have future collector value. I think that videos like this will educate those that have taken the time to view them.
dvs1145 actually if you do your research the new ones are made a lot better than the old ones . Though they don’t have the quality of the bluing and they do have the lock ,but really think people make way to big a deal out of it . It’s there and it isn’t going any where.
Are you implying that new S&W revolvers aren't quality or worth buying?
@@iaxford yes
Best gun channel on UA-cam, following You for 6 years, cheers from France
I agree the new 19's do not match the old ones. I have 3 REAL classic 19's and they are my favorite revolver. Great comparison video!
Me too - I Agree
Glad you're still around Bill i miss Pete though... The good ol days
@@Tread505 Thanks. Pete is still making videos just not as many. We still talk everyday on the phone. He's working and making holsters. I do miss the good ole days too!
@@Mr45Bullitt That's good to hear man. I still re watch all his old vids with a beer after long night at work. Just watched "Pete and Bills fat adventure" for 5th time at least few days ago lol.
Hickok45, take a look at the re-issue 586 Classic. I purchased it over the 19 Classic because I prefer its full underlug barrel and square-butt frame. My only complaint is the Altamont grips that S&W uses (poor fit at the backstrap). As for the lock...I don’t even notice them anymore. I own old and new S&W’s and have never had an issue with the new stuff. Good review!
My 19-3 4" .357 has the best single action trigger I have ever felt on a firearm! Love it. Granted it doesn't see many .357's, ir does see a few 38spl's a year. Love it!
I completely agree! My dad was a cop, and left me his 19-3 from the 70's before the department switched to semi in the mid nineties. It's my favorite revolver, and the trigger pull, even in double action, is beautifully smooth, the best of any revolver I own.
My dads 19 was the first gun I ever shot. Absolute classic!
LOL You can tell he's really not excited about the new 'classic' at all.
English Spot it is made to a price point
There r actually 51 improvements in the new classic - including out of the box trigger - cylinder lock up - always perfect barrel alignment to just name a few
I respect all the upgrades, fit etc. I own a lot of older smiths, they look new because I clean and service them by the book. The new finishes do not appeal at all to me, look like a great paint job. The stocks are inferior, despite the machine diamond accents. I don't care if they are needed or not. Pinned and counter sunk. just add appeal. Like the new python, there are issues with this new breed. On the good side, computer cut parts are superior IF you expect service life failures. Back in the day we all lokrd upgrades like. target hammer/trigger and all smiths could do that for ya. So what we got is the SOS, no craftsmen/women but parts swap and don't worry it will fit ..... Code 4. It will work good enough but no tweaks or bam voided warranty. Well this is how I feel. Mice well get a Ruger and take pride that it will never break, despite they got the hablndling properties of a brick but with Ruger it's honest good and I like that.
It's the best Revolver from S&W Right now. Gotta love both the original and the new "Classic". Either one is worth it.
had a model 19 classic saved in my cart at bud's, watched this video and changed my mind. bought a 19-5 yesterday. love your videos even if you are soft on colt
I remember a few years back I was shooting my .38 and my uncle bought out his .357 and asked me if I wanted to shoot it im not going to lie I was so terrified lol but then he told me if you could shoot a .38 then a .357 will do you just fine and he was right! I fell in love with it and I went out a week later and bought me a model 60 and its my EDC . Now after seeing the model 19 I know what I'm getting myself for my birthday
Thank you for speaking about the mim parts, Seems like most reviewers sweep that stuff under the rug, funny thing is by now it seems like the mim is really good.
Great way to start the day, and now I have that old Folgers commercial jingle in my head ("The best part of waking up is...").
I started working security back in '85 and carried the model 19-3 with a 6 inch barrel. I replaced the grips with Pachmayr combat grips. It had belonged to a police officer with Dallas P.D. who had bought it new in '77. Back then it was frowned upon to carry magnum loads so I carried the .38 +P semi jacketed hollow points. Since then I have fired 1full box of magnums out of it.
Really appreciated your reflections on why they don’t make them like they used to!
Growing up in a family that strongly dislike firearms, I never got a chance to handle them let alone see one in person. Recently, I bought a house and now living on my own. A co-worker and friend took me to a gun range because I told him I never even see a real gun in person. He had, basically almost ever types of gun, from pistol to shotgun to rifle and from modern times to pre-historic use. When I shot one of his 357 magnum revolver... hot damn, it was quite nice. Long story short, I'm getting myself a revolver and the S&W model 19 is one of my few consideration. Even if it may not be the original, it still looks nice and the shooting based on tests looks good. Thanks for the in-depth review of the gun. :)
Welcome aboard. It's a rush for sure.
I’ve been looking for a 357 wheel gun and I will check this one out. S an W have been around and proven. I don’t mind the sleeve barrel and as far as the key goes I’ll crank it up and toss the key. As usual. Great video and thanks for the review.
I think there is a delete pack for it. Not sure though as my 19 is a dash 3 and my L frame is a no dash
I inherited a pristine example Model 19-4 recessed chambers. It came to me from an old shooting brother who was a co range instructor back in the 1960s. I sure enjoy that thing.
I would seriously consider buying the Classic if they would just leave the heinous key lock off.
I’m sure most of the differences are due to cost, but the key lock is probably “Lawyer Proofing.”
When I hold the revolver out in front of me when shooting I can't see the lock.
@@pittss2c601 to each their own.
Love your UA-cam channel. I though about buying one of these new "old style" revolvers from S&W because they are very nice, but like you said in your video they are not the same gun as the classic model 19. Fortunately for me, I found a model 19-3 nickel plated in excellent condition, it even had the original box and I bought it for around the same price as these new ones sell for. So happy I waited and bought the true classic when I found it.
Great vid as always guys! Love my 19-5!
Bit nervous about putting 180 gr buffalo bore in it, but gonna be in black bear country and need a sidearm. Figured I’d leave the pre model 10 at home!
I carried the 4" S&W 19 as a U.S. Marine at three American Embassies 1992-1994. We carried .38SPL +P Nylon Clad JHP ammo. I loved that gun. I now personally own a 1978 6" version. Love it. Keep it loaded with .38SPL +P JHP in case the boogie man breaks into my house 🧐.
I just found a k19 3, beautiful gun with history. Came with three boxes of hollow points (reloads) that I haven't tried. Original box with original warranty card from first owner in 1972, Sheriff in Kansas. It's a boomer and fun to shoot.
I own Model 19's from the 19-2 to the 19-5. Out of the four incarnations I prefer the pinned barrel & recessed cylinder models even though the two 19-5's that I own have performed perfectly with no issues of any kind over the years. I did buy a 686 3" with the key hole thing. I take it out of the box once in a while and think maybe today I will shoot it. So far I haven't! I have a hard time getting excited about it. Lately I have been thinking about selling it and buying another Mod 27 from back in the day! Great video Hickok, I always enjoy watching you shoot and talk guns!
Sitting here with my 19-5 while I watch this vid. 2 1/2 in bbl ,nickel plated. I remember when I went to gun shop with my dad when he bought it. I will never get rid of it , best handgun ever.
Could you compare the Model 10 Classic to some of the older versions? Would it be possible compare both your 50s version and a newer one from the 80s or sot to the new one?
I like the old model 27 highway patrol 357 very tough revolver have prob 8000-9000 rounds of very hot hand loads and 5-6000 38 specials through it great gun
model 28 is highway patrol
Great video as usual ! I have the model 19-6 that i love and the 586 classic that is also great.
I recently bought the 6" barrel version of the 2018 and I'm in love I've put 200 rounds through it and it shows no signs of slowing down easy to clean only thing is the olden handle gets just a little wiggly so I had to add some blue lock tight to the screw other than that it's my dream gun
I have the model 19-3 in all barrel lengths in blue. One 19-4 4" nickle and all of them are like new condition. It is an iconic piece of machinery. I just love 'em. Thanks for the video. I'm not crazy about the new ones with MIM parts and shrouded barrels. Go to gun auctions and get the real thing.
I bought one in 1972. Sent it back to the factory b/c it wouldn't eject, even .38's. I had to press the ejector rod against the bench to get the empties out. Came back with the problem not fixed. It was beautiful, especially the goncalo alves grips. Very accurate with a great trigger. I sold it in 1976. I don't know if the ejector problem ever got fixed.
Just look at the Grips alone to compare the craftsmanship of the old compared to the new. I've bought new Smith's but was unimpressed comparing them to the quality of my older ones.
I'm a long time Model 19 fan. My first handgun was a Model 19 and I've probably owned a dozen or more over the years. I've got two now. A 19-1 and a 19-9. The -9 is a worthy successor to the older guns.
...my dad had a 19 'Combat Magnum' that he sold prior to moving here to FL in 1979...some 1D10 T told him the gun laws here were worse than in NJ...I found a 19-3 a fee.moths ago and traded my Soviet SKS for it...hated to l8se that SKS but wanted the 19 more...
HI! I'm a big fan of you from Thailand! got this model from the 70's! great gun!
Love your perspective on all your test and evaluations. I find I have come to value your input when considering my next firearm purchase. Oh, by the way, I have no problem with you being as successful as your talent allows. Not too sure what your business relations have to do with your honest reviews for the most part I admire your genuine desire to promote what you obviously love to do. You have found the business reason you are here and I for one thank you for what you do.
Thanks. We've never let the business side interfere with what we want to do or our opinions on things. Of course, that's mostly a matter of being careful not to accept support from anybody that might compromise our honest approach.
Growing up in Louisiana I ran across Bill Jordan a few times and his favorite gun was the Model 19. His hands made it look so petit.
John busted my sides with that “15 round group” measurement
Relatively new subscriber - love your videos. On the new 19 Classic: I can accept the new style grips & making only a rounded grip frame; it is easy enough to fit a set of "conversion" grips - as S&W does - to replicate the older style target grips & you can also fit a round butt set of grips. I would rather have a hammer mounted firing pin, but can accept it is now frame mounted. The differences between the hammer thumb pad & cylinder latch thumb pad don't really annoy me. I can accept MIM parts; that technology & processing is becoming mature & done right those parts serve well. I think the cylinder latching in the crane area would probably be more robust than latching at the tip of the cartridge ejection rod (I'm sure Ruger would say so!). It would be nice to have the cylinder recessed for the cartridge heads & a pinned barrel but I understand how the extra machining & assembly processes would probably be restrictive. A shrouded barrel is OK; it probably allows engineering to design it to be only a barrel without worrying about the aesthetics that the shroud accomplishes. But there is no way I can accept that safety key hole in the frame for the internal safety. I don't accept that it would cost too much to produce the Classics series without it. It would be less internal parts, & they currently produce both key hole & solid J frames. I would be a buyer for a few of the Classics line, but will continue to search for clean used pre-lock examples. Sorry for the rant..but the hole is ugly.
Thanks for the videos you two!
Model 19. My favorite. It’s been in famous films like the 2018 Halloween and shows like stranger things. Laurie uses one in Halloween and hopper uses one in stranger things. Very iconic gun. I love it
I have a 19 and 686, and a 17 and 617. Four of the best SW revolvers ever. They all get regular use, and no sign of forcing cone crack.
I am a model 19 owner, original! There are no substitutes or exceptions to the quality of the original Smith & Wessons. Thanks Hickok.
I agree MY MODEL 19-3 that my Uncle bought back in the beginning of 1973 and it just sat on his table next to his bed all its life is absolutely mint the blue and the wood handles are just pristine , it is just so beautiful to look at, I seriously doubt he or anyone else ever fired the gun. He died last july 11, I have been playin with that gun since I was 8 yrs old an I am blessed that the old boy passed it on to me, GOD bless you and thank you Uncle Amen.
I've owned 19-3s, 19-4s, in 2 3/4 in barrel, 4in barrel, and 6in barrel. All fine examples of .357 magnums. I'll be looking for another 19-3 and own one again in 4in barrel. I wouldn't even look at a modern one. I'm old school too my friend. Thumbs up. Thanks for your perspective.
My first handgun! Snubby with rubber pacmire grips. Bought used as a police turn in.
Thank you mentioning about the force income and 357 Magnum loads. We have never had a problem and they are enjoyable to shoot. Thanks for the video.
I love my model 19 I found one in a pawn shop. The previous owner did a trigger job on it but I was getting light primer strikes so I had to put a new hammer spring in there. They run like a clock just don't shoot 125 grain Magnums through it like Hickok said the forcing cone can crack. Stick with 158 grain and you'll be fine.
Grandpa was a gunsmith with a great reputation, Don't matter if its 125 or 158 grain.sad things gets spread that folks no nothing about and is plain ignorant! All depends on the charge / powder in the round . noting to do with the grain weight of the bullet .fact is some 19/66 was good , some was bad far as barrel twist , etc .Bigger problems are folks shooting hot loads , no matter what the grain is.70&80's .357 compared to now days is a big difference. No way I'd spend the $ on a weapon with a key lock that don't even have to be there .Shows smith is more interested pleasing uncle sam than there customers
I love the classic S&W revolvers. The fact that I only own 3 proves I am not a collector. I have rebuilt a few more. My favorites are the 686, model 17, and the model 15 in that order. The k22 was made in 1948 and is my favorite target handgun. The 15 was made in 58 and is a very good 38spl. Rarely gets out of the safe. Perfect condition! My absolute favorite carry gun in the back country is the 686 6". I spend weeks a year in very remote locations.
Proud owner of a new dash 9 and I love it.👍 Shoots like its supposed too. I welcome the changes.
I recently picked up the 19 Carry Comp. Minus the lock, it is a fine modern machine.
My Dad has a Beautiful 70s model 16 Dan WESSON ... Nothing like Old Steel and Wood
bansheemania yes there is. Even older steel and wood!
I wish I'd never sold a beautiful model 744!
I was hedging for a new Carry Comp K Frame...… Then a 19-5, 2.5 inch appeared in my local gun haunt with the 2 T's. She came home with me.. Love it!
9:44 Nice echo!! Kinda spooky but still groovy.
It was really nice!😆
I don't think that's an echo, just the steel ringing.
@@theblackberets3379 Quite true, but still an engaging sound.
@@downunderrob Indubitably.
I was cracking up at the look on Hickoks face just before the break-something to the effect of "are you kidding me?"
My original Model 19 went through the police academy with me in 1981, and then rode my hip for several years afterwards before I changed to Model 66 due to Louisiana's climate. Both of them "got away" from me over the years, but I am the proud new owner of a 19-4 again. I never once considered buying one of those Model 19 "Classics."
Like you, I find them "atrocious."
I'm an old school guy, and simply calling a new gun a "Classic" does not make it a classic. My old true classics served me well, and you are right that S&W can't build the old quality guns at a price most people can afford.
Honestly, most people aren't going to shoot a lot of .357's in a K frame revolver. The L- and N-frames are much more suitable for that. Most people will shoot .38's in their 19's and then load them with .357 for the potential of having to use the gun for social purposes. Forget the idea that the new gun might be "stronger." In real life that's not a factor.
I have owned several of the mid 70's Model 19's and have liked how they shoot! I haven yet had the opportunity to shoot the Classic! Hopefully one day soon I will get to shoot one!
I am the proud owner of a 6" barreled, Nickel finished, 19-3, that I picked up in the mid to late 1980's, that was hardly used. A real tack driver. I don't think I would want to own a "Classic" model. Another great video from the Master.
I think the modern machining is better today than it was even back in the 1970's. Heck, just look at cars. (My 1971 Camaro was a piece of junk after 60K compared to even my 1990's Civic) . The Civic lasted over 200K and was still in good shape. There is no point in producing an almost in spec gun that has to be hand fitted when the machining produces the same thing within tight specs item after item. I bet computerized machines can make a gun within tighter specs than a person could. I'm unconvinced by the internet mythology. Like I said, I have several very nice early S&W's but my new ones are just as nice and in some ways improved.
You are right on the money
Correct- watch GunBlue490’s vid for more information to support your opinion. I agree with you.
It's not that modern manufacturing processes and technologies can't equal the old ones: they absolutely can. The issue is whether or not contemporary companies use them to their fullest, and unfortunately, S&W has chosen the latter. Modern business practices are the problem.
A great example is the polishing and bluing processes being used. S&W is perfectly capable of equaling that fine level of polish and bluing nowadays. However, they don't, because doing so would take significantly more time and expertise. The same thing affects quality control: it takes time and employees. Why bother with rigorous QC when you can rely on risk-analysis to find out how much you can skimp before returns and problems become too prevalent?
Could S&W equal its past self and produce guns of the same quality? Yes.
Will they? No.
(There are some isolated examples of old-world techniques that can't be replicated due to external factors, like bluing processes that involve whale oil)
One handed .357 group on the Cowboy.....Come On! …...Phenomenal! (9:44)
Thanks for your usual candor. Glad to hear your "differences review". (I'm stick'n with Colt.) Great vid, as always. Ty.
I recently watched a video on these revolvers by a S&W trained gunsmith. In his opinion this model is very good. The MIM parts are precision made, the steel alloys used are first rate. Collectors turn up their noses at the new ones but turns out they are very good.
Well, I would not expect anything less from an S&W employee or former employee; I'm sure S&W hates all the negative Internet publicity they get with the changes to their revolvers in recent years (sleeved barrels, key lock, etc.). There are so many folks out there I hear from who continually claim they will not buy a new S&W revolver.
I'm not a hater of the newer models, but I much prefer the older ones. They work just fine, as they always have, and they are a much better "investment."
My biggest gripe with any gun company is that if you're going to recreate a "classic" firearm, at least recreate it as it was, regardless of cost and price. Otherwise, don't bother. This is why I would not really want Colt to "recreate" the Python; I'm pretty sure it would be like the S&W "Classic" line. It might resemble the Python, but it would be a disappointment.
@@hickok45 I'm with you there, the new ones may be functionally good but I prefer the older ones with pinned barrels and recessed cylinders. On the other hand these are challenging times for manufacturers, labor is expensive and laws are a constant threat. In addition younger people are not getting into shooting, be it sports or hunting. We live in interesting times, as the old Chinese curse goes.