@Skrallizar logically, the crucible is the first ages of the world's, because before that all life was "blended together." The Great Tree/Erd Tree grew from the crucible, and the modern erd tree came into existence because the Godskins and Gloam-Eyed Queen turned their flame upon it. This is supposedly why Marika removed Destined Death from the Elden Ring, because that flame burned the Great Tree and reduced it to the erd tree. We know the burned butterfly is Melina's because the DLC is adding a 4th butterfly, presumably Mesmer's. Also, Mesmer and Melina both being associated with flame...
@@johnj.spurgin7037I won't say "you're wrong, I'm right", but I feel that you're reading into things a bit too much. In the very next video of Vaati, he brings up the "Great Tree/Erdtree" thing, watch that bit carefully before assuming things. He isn't always "right", the ability to make our own canon regarding things that aren't explicitly told to the players is a part of the charm of these games, but the thing is, there is no hard evidence of a different giant tree existing before the erdtree. At best, the Crucible is called the "primordial form of the Erdtree", implying it was a tree (or tree like) thing that would end up becoming the Erdtree. The whole Gloam-Eyed Queen and removing the Rune of Death was more about Marika herself not dying (and possibly fighting her as a fellow Empyrean as the Gloam-Eyed Queen is "said to have been an Empyrean), as the black flame at its peak was called a god slaying flame, and unlike the ruinous flame of the Giant's Flame, the black flame was never explicitly said to be able to burn the Erdtree. Giving Destined Death to Maliketh and ordering him to do what she wanted him to do was so that she could control death. The whole "black flame burned the previous tree" is at best speculation about things that aren't mentioned at all combined with enviromental story telling, which is cool to use for headcanons, but claiming that "this is the way things are" as a fact is too much. As for the butterfly thing... why is that a thing in this conversation? Like, cool theory, but that makes it revelant to "Placidusax was a previous Elden Lord"?
@@Skrallizar It says that Placidusax is said to have been elden lord before the time of the erd tree on Placidusax's remembrance. The whole thing about the great tree and erd tree being the same is based on a bunch of things, though if you want to argue that there's no decisive evidence that's... probably fair? Smoughtown did a good video on it and a lot of the analysis, but I do have a question. Why do the doors of Leyndel depict such a different tree from the Erd Tree as it appears in the game? The only answer I can come to is that the Erd Tree did not always look like it does in the game, and we know the godskins wielded fire and sought to annihilate the golden lineage. As for the butterfly thing, that was a bit of a segway. My bad. That was me spiraling into "Melina is related to Marika" things.
When you realize that elden ring at its core its basically a family fighting over loot after someone dies and then you (the distant relative) wrecks them up and gets everything
Marika got a divorce, and broke her ring, after her husband the greater will[ra,dagon], failed to protect her children from outer gods entering their bodies. (Gross) (Rogier says the KoBK was the catalyst for the shattering, and goldmask blames the outer gods warring with each other, which we know was marikas children warring with each other)
I would definetly recommend watching Vaati's videos on the frenzied flame and age of the stars ending as they are the most unique and interesting endings, and possibly the parts of Elden Ring that are the most philosophical
48:28 The reason why she needed to defeat Radahn is because he was holding back the stars. Miquella and Malenia had a close relationship with Godwyn and so when he died this caused both of them to try and resurrect him via what is referred to as the Eclipse. However the Eclipse failed most likely because of Radahn and so while Miquella was embedded into the tree Malenia went on to march across The lands between and fight Radahn not just for her fate but also Miquella and Godwyn. I don't think she intended to bloom but that it happened in a moment of sheer desperation. She passed out afterwards and was carried all the way across The lands between to the Haligtree by one badass knight called Finlay. Unfortunately by the time she arrived Jeffery Mohgstein already kidnapped Miquella.
Just another feat to add to Radahn's Resume; humbling Melania, while holding back the stars mind you, so bad that she had to cry for help from the Rot Outer god (that she hates) so she can maintain her "undefeated" record
An age without order an age of absolution and repentance for the crimes and strife that the will of other outer gods imposed on the world , a period of healing, im guessing thats gonna be his storyline
@@nephilimgisn't this ranni's ending? Where she removes the influence of all the outer gods from land between, calling it the dark age as people will be blind i.e have no faith so things can start again.
I think it makes more sense if the moons or the stars WEREN'T an outer god or another. In the age of stars ending, Ranni explains that this new age will lead people to loneliness, to mystery, to the unknown, shit like. She talks about how it is like the cold, dark night that encompasses all. I think the themes make so much sense if what Ranni is actually doing there is banishing the Greater Will and not replacing it with anything. Such that people are not ordained by fate anymore. You are not shackled to a predetermined life or system, but instead it is all a big unknown, a mystery, if you will. Like our world? Like she is transforming a world where people don't have to think for themselves because everything is preordained into one where the future is unknowable. That would make it scary and lonely for the people of the lands between, but it would be the norm for us here in the real world.
47:00 "not a willing vessel" indeed she's not. You need to look closely at her design, but she's lost both legs, one arm and her eyes to the rot. so yes, the Malenia you fight in-game is BLIND!
I mean I was pretty confused too. Because it doesn’t mention him having any sealing capabilities, but Radahn mastered gravity magic. The only way I could imagine him sealing stuff is by actively using that flowing technique constantly.
Placidusax was the Elden Lord before the Golden Order. And when you enter the arena he looks like he's trying to contact the greater will in a similar fashion as the Roundtable's Two Fingers.
12:50 Slight correction, the Crucible is native to the Lands Between. It was the closest thing this game has to a true point of origin. All life began in the Crucible. If anything, the Crucible is a native god to the Lands Between. One that was replaced and cast aside. Forgotten.
Radahn: *halts the stars, sealing off Liurnia from their guidance and studies and weakening them exponentially, and dooming them to in-fighting.* Radahn’s fans: Hell yeah! He did a great thing right there!
@@foreverknight66 I feel like that argument just sorta makes things worse, as that gives the implication that people are willing to hype up Radahn while every other character’s actions are either just accepted or breeds hatred
The word disaster literally means bad star. It means this because we believed that any bad thing that happened was caused by a bad star opposed to that something that caused the bad thing to happen.
Toru didn't like the gods and was running away from her world... hmmm.... Koboyashi: "Toru, there's a weird blue puppet at the door saying she knows you!"
34:42 though there are exceptions, like Egyptian mythology, Sumerian mythology... And also Japan, with Sun Goddess Amaterasu (giving life equating to giving birth apparently, but I could be putting it in a way that's drastically reductionist) who the mythology states to be a direct ancestor of Japan's imperial bloodline. As a weeb I thought you'd know that one in particular. Also, check out Okami and its sequel. You'll have fun, especially if you look up the inspirations behind the various characters.
There are three instances I can recall off the top of my head where moon gods weren't feminine. One was the Egyptian moon god Konshu, the Japanese moon god Tsukuyomi, and the Norse moon god Mani.
Japanese Ranni: I want free will for all and will make sure outer gods stop meddling with the Lands Between. English Ranni: I WILL TAKE THE EMOTIONS AWAY FROM ALL AND PLUNGE THE WORLD INTO DARKNESS
I don't often comment on things, but I just wanted to thank you for the hours upon hours of content, Nux. I have you on while I'm working my day job and you bring a lot of laughter to my days. LOVE the lore deep dives you've been getting into- esp 40k and now Elden RIng. You excel at providing truly insightful analysis with your trademark wit that is just so engaging and thought-provoking. I know you said Dark Souls is on the docket in time- make sure to check out Vaatividya's Prepare to Cry series for that one. Oof. Lore that will hit you right in the GUT. Anyways, thank you, my guy, for being exactly who you are. Never change, sir. 💛
53:49 I think I have an answer to Nux's question what order does Miquella want? and I believe that it is an order of purity in order where no outer God can interfere with the lives of man you can see this when he so diligently tries to expunge the outer God of rot within his sister she does not want this she does not want to become a goddess of rot or bring upon an age of rot but many others in the lands between suffer the same fate she does The Omen and the Misbegotten are born with horns wings and tails that they did not ask for but were touched by an outer God still trying to cling on what little power they have left from an era long forgotten also Miquella when he goes into his alter ego St Trina he goes into the depths of Leyndell and calms the frenzied flame madness within the merchants by singing them to sleep It is quite ironic that he wants an order of purity but has the power to control the minds of others he has the power to compel affection whether he does this on purpose or not or whether his followers follow him through devotion loyalty or just brainwashing we still do not know but whatever the case I believe he wants everything to be in abundance weather benevolent or benign all things should flourish and grow without influence and I believe this is what he wants in his unalloyed golden order Or maybe he's just Griffith Maybe he wants to ascend to outer God and and become his own orders outer God to stop the meddling of other gods all will be answered in the DLC just............9 more days
What is also really cool is how intelligence and faith looks at the powers of the cosmos. Sorcerers/astrologers view it in a more scientific way: you have the moons, meteors, the primeval current. Faith users on the other hand give these cosmic forces names and revere them as Gods.
one thing i thin vaati forgets in this video about the omen is that the omen have other souls/people in there blood. thats why they probably cant sleep and also probably why they are born outside of grace. yes it may onlt be a curse in the context of the golden order but who wants other lifeforms inside you and horns everywere. it must be exhausting and and annoying. i think when they sleep the see the other people/spirits that dwell inside them. and the crucible is the ORIGIN of all life in the world (i think) not a outer god.
@@DrJones0801 yep i would recommend: The secret story behind Two and Three Fingers | Elden Ring Archaeology Ep. 18 . For being the most mindblowing for me.
About worshipping dragons not being heretical, powerful religions are just institutions looking to expand their influence. Often, expectations and compromises are given to individual sects to maintain the peace or, in this case, be utilized for a greater end.
You forget an important fact. Before ue fought you, Radahn fought Malenia and forced her to use her rot powers AND retreat, WHILE holding back the stars AND keeping himself from crushing his horse. Guy is beyond broken in the verse.
There is some lore indicating that Melania fought Radahn specifically to resume the movement of the stars. Miqeulla was trying to resurrect Godwyn's soul, and it required a solar eclipse to complete.
its more likely that the smoldering butterflies are Mesmer's instead of Melina's now that the dlc is coming out, since he calls Marika mother in the trailer
one thing i'm still curious about is how the hell did Mohg kidnap miquella when malenia was right there? Am i supposed to believe he tiptoed in, cut out a tree chunk and dragged it back without her noticing when she wakes up just by us walking in.
38:00 fairly certain the Great Serpent is not an Outer God, given we can actually fight it and do not get the 'God Slain' message I doubt it is even the Vassal of one, most likely it is some sort of lesser deity from the pre erdtree age like the Regal Ancestor Spirits
The thing I find the most badass about Morgott's lore is that once of his monikers is "Morgott, the grace given" meaning that despite being an accursed omen despised by the order, he fought off all the demigod invasions on the capital, became the undisputed lord of Leyndell and *earned* his grace, which is something no other character in elden ring ever achieved
An interesting thing is that the story takes heavy inspiration not just from Lovecraft and Berserk, but also Celtic and Norse myth. The demigods are surprisingly similar to the Tuathé de Danann of Celtic myth, which makes sense since this Divine lineage began when the Erdtree sprouted and took root in the Lands Between. Befitting as Radagon is similar to the Dagda, Father of the Tuathé, and Marika is similar to his consort, The Morrigan. Fia, Ranni and Melina are reminiscent of the Three Princesses from the Ireland founding myth: Eriu, Banbha, and Fódla. Here, each of these three "queens" represent their own domain of The Forgotten Lands: The Stars, The Golden Order, and Those that Live in Death. Hoarah Loux is significantly similar to the Ulster hero, CúChulainn. While Loux uses an Axe and Cu uses a Spear and Sword, They're both powerful wrestlers and fighter kings who become significantly stronger when angered. A symbol that is used by the Golden Order, constantly, is the Treyarch or Triquestra; the loops representing a cycle of Birth, Life and Death. The Erdtree is mainly based on the World Tree, Yggdrasil, but I kinda see some of the Celtic great oak tree in there, minus being fed by a holy river like the Danube. Ranni herself might be a link to a princess named Rhiannon, a woman known to be the goddess of horses. And Ranni also happens to be fairly acquainted with Torrent. Not enough? One version of Rhiannon is named "Macha," who is one of the three goddesses of Death (like Ranni, Renna and Rennala) Malenia has a good mix of a few of these references. --She's obviously a Valkyrie in design, bearing holy armor and wings along her feminine figure. --her fiery red hair and disposition for War bears resemblance to Scathach, a celtic War goddess from the Orkneys known for training CúChúlainn. --her arm is likely a reference to Nuada, aka Nuada Silverhand, who was the Tuathe that led combat against the Formore. Speaking of which: The Omen and Demihumans seem ti resemble the Formore, who inhabited the Island alongside the Fir Bolg, the humans that they warred with before the Fir Bolg themselves fought the Tuathe De Danann. (Btw, the Sword of Eochaid is named after a Fir Bolg, Eochaid, who would become High King of Ireland.) With the Fell God in the Fire Goant being similar to Balor with that one giant eye. Although, I think I can safely say we should all be very gappy we did not get to FIGHT Balor himself, or we'd never finish the game. The Roundtable, Gideon and Tarnished all bear resemblance to Arthurian Knights. They are warriors who have died in service to their lord, resurrected to continue their service in their land's time of great strife, and bare holy destiny by their god's will. I could list more, but that'd probably be an hour or half-hour long read. These are kinda the ones I noticed firsthand. Also, "Blaidd" is Welsh for Wolf.
Also Godrywn is very similar to Baldur literally everyone liked him and his death was the start of the fall of the golden order very similar to ragnorok
@@JamesW609 Hmm... Liked by everyone End of the world is started with his death Gods failing to ressurect him (for Balder, it was a failure of all the Aesir to cry for him. For Godwyn, it's a fan theory that Miquella was going to resurrect him with a ritual during the Eclipse) By Cernuunos, you're absolutely right!
@JamesW609 UPDATE: upon further reflection, it's pretty obvious that Godwyn is a reference to Baldr, but I'd also argue his warrior background, Uniter title, death at a young age and status as God of Light might mean he too is a sort of reference to the God of Light, War and The Hunt: Lugh. Even then, Morgott might be a play on Lugh as well, nit only being a King amd hunter wielding light, but his Omen curse might reflect Lugh's Fomorian heritage
27:10 Ranni is the eldest child?! Her little brothers became a big fuckoff snake and an absolute unit! That’s hilarious. That ruins my theory that Marika recalled Radagon once she learned that he can sire Empyreans that could potentially replace her.
57:30 A fourth butterfly has been confirmed from those that played the DLC at the media tour. It's a charred, black one - Something that lines up pretty well with Messmer's whole deal. So, based on what we know right now, the Smoldering Butterfly falls back to Melina who I hope we get way more information on since - even though she's basically the whole reason our character does _anything_ - we still know next to nothing about her. I mean, we STILL don't know why Melina's body was burned up before the story began which is, like, the _entire_ inciting incident for how our character gets saved from being a maidenless piece of garbage. The inclusion of a fourth butterfly also solidifies the whole "butterfly theory" to begin with. It wasn't necessarily shaky in the first place, but one _could_ make an argument for just plain coincidence. Now that all three children of Marika and Radagon have them (I'm sorta assuming Messmer is one of those considering, y'know, red hair..has a statue of Marika holding a baby in his throne room..literally refers to his mother sanctioning us as Elden Lord...etc.), I think it's pretty safe to say Melina is a fourth child in some way. Maybe not an empyrean like Miquella and Malenia, but definitely related.
Also what vaati's video of the age of star, malenia and miquella really like them and miquella explains a lot, miquella seems like a mix between thorfinn and griffith and that somehow works
0:57 naw, millicent 1:35 MITOSIS THEORY works great for this too 4:12 wait for it 5:53 yes this is it 6:47 the most ancient one, most likely, while the rune was the great crucible most likely 7:30 illusions, Mohgs one was to trick Margit into thinking he was still down there, Morgott so the people wouldn't notice they were ruled by an omen 9:35 even more mysterious why it seems to affect the dung eater as well 10:26 not exactly, they were the face of whatever is directly haunting them in their dreams for the purpose of pure horror. 47:53 not really, when she aeonian bloomed in the battle with radahn the rot god sunk more of its claws into her, taking away pieces of her, Millicent is the will that malenia lost upon the battle with radahn, the other ones are other pieces. Is she their parent, kind of but not really 47:57 naw, millicent
That stuff about the moon has been in From's games since at least Dark Souls 1. Gwyndolyn, Gwyn's son was male but raised as a woman because he had affinity with lunar magic.
Corrections, the greater will is the creator of order and all life, he is superior to the outher gods, he doesn’t give a f**k of what kind of order is in place, he only whants some kind of order. Be it the golden order, the order of Rot or whatever, he doesn’t care.
Nux i hope you watch all of Vaati's Elden Ring lore collection.. there are some all time great videos, especially The Lord of Frenzied Flame; also, "The Lore of Elden Ring is Rotten" and the other more serious deep dives into specific characters are super based and well-done
I like to think that the Marika and radagon being the same person is kinda like they were originally one person, but Marika created Radagon as another form before she decided that the golden order was bad. And since Radagon was not as powerful as Marika he was more influenced by the Greater will, so when the greater will commanded him to he left renalla and joined Marika, they sired the two cursed children and then when the shattering started the greater will forced radagon to wound and restrain Marika while attempting to reforge the elden ring
3:30 He likes realism and lets be honest, if giant flying fire breathing beasts existed IRL humans 100% would make sure they don't, there's no chance we wouldn't.
I really love this lore deep dive content. Can you do Lord of the rings lore? I always love the lore but I really can't get into any of the shows movies books or games. Ok that probably sounds weird AF but it is what it is😂
7:30 Margit is a master of illusions and the weaker Margit, Mohg and Morgott are basically his shadow clones. 30:45 Go in game, wait until night, and look up. Two moons. One on each side of the tree, light and dark.
34:24 Fun Fact: The Moon is actually a masculine symbol in Norse (Mani), Japanese (Tsukuyomi) and Egyptian (Khonsu) myths, while the Sun is feminine in Norse (Sol/Sunna) and Japanese (Amaterasu) myths. 🙃
6:48 placidussax remembrance does state that he was Elden Lord before the Erdtree
In the age of the crucible, yeah.
@@johnj.spurgin7037 doesn't say what age, just that he was an Elden Lord before the Erdtree. Could be crucible, could be before.
@Skrallizar logically, the crucible is the first ages of the world's, because before that all life was "blended together." The Great Tree/Erd Tree grew from the crucible, and the modern erd tree came into existence because the Godskins and Gloam-Eyed Queen turned their flame upon it. This is supposedly why Marika removed Destined Death from the Elden Ring, because that flame burned the Great Tree and reduced it to the erd tree. We know the burned butterfly is Melina's because the DLC is adding a 4th butterfly, presumably Mesmer's.
Also, Mesmer and Melina both being associated with flame...
@@johnj.spurgin7037I won't say "you're wrong, I'm right", but I feel that you're reading into things a bit too much.
In the very next video of Vaati, he brings up the "Great Tree/Erdtree" thing, watch that bit carefully before assuming things. He isn't always "right", the ability to make our own canon regarding things that aren't explicitly told to the players is a part of the charm of these games, but the thing is, there is no hard evidence of a different giant tree existing before the erdtree. At best, the Crucible is called the "primordial form of the Erdtree", implying it was a tree (or tree like) thing that would end up becoming the Erdtree.
The whole Gloam-Eyed Queen and removing the Rune of Death was more about Marika herself not dying (and possibly fighting her as a fellow Empyrean as the Gloam-Eyed Queen is "said to have been an Empyrean), as the black flame at its peak was called a god slaying flame, and unlike the ruinous flame of the Giant's Flame, the black flame was never explicitly said to be able to burn the Erdtree. Giving Destined Death to Maliketh and ordering him to do what she wanted him to do was so that she could control death. The whole "black flame burned the previous tree" is at best speculation about things that aren't mentioned at all combined with enviromental story telling, which is cool to use for headcanons, but claiming that "this is the way things are" as a fact is too much.
As for the butterfly thing... why is that a thing in this conversation? Like, cool theory, but that makes it revelant to "Placidusax was a previous Elden Lord"?
@@Skrallizar It says that Placidusax is said to have been elden lord before the time of the erd tree on Placidusax's remembrance.
The whole thing about the great tree and erd tree being the same is based on a bunch of things, though if you want to argue that there's no decisive evidence that's... probably fair? Smoughtown did a good video on it and a lot of the analysis, but I do have a question.
Why do the doors of Leyndel depict such a different tree from the Erd Tree as it appears in the game? The only answer I can come to is that the Erd Tree did not always look like it does in the game, and we know the godskins wielded fire and sought to annihilate the golden lineage.
As for the butterfly thing, that was a bit of a segway. My bad. That was me spiraling into "Melina is related to Marika" things.
When you realize that elden ring at its core its basically a family fighting over loot after someone dies and then you (the distant relative) wrecks them up and gets everything
Knives Out but Lovecraftian
"Mom and Dad died in an act of divine intervention. We must split this even-"
"I'm taking this part!"
Calling an inheritance "loot" is funny to me
That is exactly what Elden Ring is about
Marika got a divorce, and broke her ring, after her husband the greater will[ra,dagon], failed to protect her children from outer gods entering their bodies. (Gross)
(Rogier says the KoBK was the catalyst for the shattering, and goldmask blames the outer gods warring with each other, which we know was marikas children warring with each other)
I would definetly recommend watching Vaati's videos on the frenzied flame and age of the stars ending as they are the most unique and interesting endings, and possibly the parts of Elden Ring that are the most philosophical
48:28 The reason why she needed to defeat Radahn is because he was holding back the stars. Miquella and Malenia had a close relationship with Godwyn and so when he died this caused both of them to try and resurrect him via what is referred to as the Eclipse. However the Eclipse failed most likely because of Radahn and so while Miquella was embedded into the tree Malenia went on to march across The lands between and fight Radahn not just for her fate but also Miquella and Godwyn.
I don't think she intended to bloom but that it happened in a moment of sheer desperation.
She passed out afterwards and was carried all the way across The lands between to the Haligtree by one badass knight called Finlay. Unfortunately by the time she arrived Jeffery Mohgstein already kidnapped Miquella.
Jeffery mohgstein😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
LMAO the Mohglester 😂😂
Finlay the goat
Just another feat to add to Radahn's Resume; humbling Melania, while holding back the stars mind you, so bad that she had to cry for help from the Rot Outer god (that she hates) so she can maintain her "undefeated" record
According to the current lore Moghlester was actually the Moghlested one.
Demanding justice for Mohg
If Nux saw the Marika mod he would've known Marika is also best girl
Maaaaaan
i feel guilty that I know exactly what ur talking abt😭
He had Marika mod thumbnail on one his vids for like 2 hrs before he changed it.
Ong
If it wasn't for her looks, NOBODY would like Marika. She is no saint.
Miquella’s whole thing is that he seems to not need or want an outer god. That’s the whole point of the unalloyed gold.
An age without order an age of absolution and repentance for the crimes and strife that the will of other outer gods imposed on the world , a period of healing, im guessing thats gonna be his storyline
@@nephilimgisn't this ranni's ending? Where she removes the influence of all the outer gods from land between, calling it the dark age as people will be blind i.e have no faith so things can start again.
I think it makes more sense if the moons or the stars WEREN'T an outer god or another. In the age of stars ending, Ranni explains that this new age will lead people to loneliness, to mystery, to the unknown, shit like. She talks about how it is like the cold, dark night that encompasses all. I think the themes make so much sense if what Ranni is actually doing there is banishing the Greater Will and not replacing it with anything. Such that people are not ordained by fate anymore. You are not shackled to a predetermined life or system, but instead it is all a big unknown, a mystery, if you will. Like our world? Like she is transforming a world where people don't have to think for themselves because everything is preordained into one where the future is unknowable. That would make it scary and lonely for the people of the lands between, but it would be the norm for us here in the real world.
Exactly!
"You are not the first to panic at the loss of their shackles"
6:08 it scares me just how much of a scolar of the 34th rule you are nux-a-lore. It scares me to my core.
Nux I dare you to consume ALL the lore and character lore of Westeros!
47:00 "not a willing vessel" indeed she's not. You need to look closely at her design, but she's lost both legs, one arm and her eyes to the rot. so yes, the Malenia you fight in-game is BLIND!
Doesn't question Radahn holding back constellations, but a blind swordsman sealing away a god is mindblowing to him😂
I mean I was pretty confused too. Because it doesn’t mention him having any sealing capabilities, but Radahn mastered gravity magic.
The only way I could imagine him sealing stuff is by actively using that flowing technique constantly.
Radahn is just that chad
@@CainLupusThat blind swordsman >>>>> Radahn.
Placidusax was the Elden Lord before the Golden Order. And when you enter the arena he looks like he's trying to contact the greater will in a similar fashion as the Roundtable's Two Fingers.
45:54 fan theories over the identity of the blind swords usually revolve around Isshen the Sword Saint from Sekiro.
12:50
Slight correction, the Crucible is native to the Lands Between. It was the closest thing this game has to a true point of origin. All life began in the Crucible. If anything, the Crucible is a native god to the Lands Between. One that was replaced and cast aside. Forgotten.
Radahn: *halts the stars, sealing off Liurnia from their guidance and studies and weakening them exponentially, and dooming them to in-fighting.*
Radahn’s fans: Hell yeah! He did a great thing right there!
In his defense, anything anyone does in defense of their beliefs in a fromsoft game is bound to bring disaster and misery to someone else.
@@foreverknight66 I feel like that argument just sorta makes things worse, as that gives the implication that people are willing to hype up Radahn while every other character’s actions are either just accepted or breeds hatred
With how much he yaps about HP Lovecraft, I'm just waiting for him to delve on Bloodborne.
Ikr?
omg ikr.
I'm sure he'd be happy to.
Bro I forgot how much vaati sounds like mynameisbyf, and SPEAKING OF LORE, Nux might like the Destiny lore.
The destiny lore is great man. Top notch. Just sucks at what it’s become. Itd be pretty cool to react
The word disaster literally means bad star. It means this because we believed that any bad thing that happened was caused by a bad star opposed to that something that caused the bad thing to happen.
"Disaster" "Dissa star" huh, never thought of that. cool.
I like how Nux is just being more and more Warhammer pilled
Frfr he and I both be equating new game lore n shit to 40k
Can't believe NUX played the DLC before any of us and called Miquella like that at 52:10 FRFR pre-gamed not just pre-watched
Rani: Why did the stars stop moving?
Radan: 🎶I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROOOOOAAAAACHING🎶
Mogh-lester ended up being the Mogh-lested. (DLC ENDING IS DAMN SAD)
0:56 “Malenia is best girl.” While showing Melina. The names are stupid similar but that sounds like a skill issue.
6:02 Now I'm wondering if there were dragon maids during that time. 🤔 🐉
Toru didn't like the gods and was running away from her world... hmmm....
Koboyashi: "Toru, there's a weird blue puppet at the door saying she knows you!"
Was not expecting a Maimonides reference. Nux showing that his lore knowledge goes deeper.
Nux putting together the Pacidusax was an Elden Lord was pretty peak ngl
... ya the DLC is out and Nux actually predicted a plot twist on minute 52... so props to you man 👏👏👏
Can't wait for your Elder Scrolls lore dive.
NPC coming to Shadow of the Erdtree.
Lord Nuxalore - The Scholar of Stories
MAJOR DLC SPOILER WARNING
Wow, Nux's jokes about the possibility of Miquella being like Griffith sure aged well
The Next lore dive should be the world of darkness believe me the setting is most wild shit ever they manage to make vampires actually interesting
Ooh, I hope he does Bruva Alfabusa's introduction video.
I want a Hunter: The Parenting reaction so badly 😫
34:42 though there are exceptions, like Egyptian mythology, Sumerian mythology...
And also Japan, with Sun Goddess Amaterasu (giving life equating to giving birth apparently, but I could be putting it in a way that's drastically reductionist) who the mythology states to be a direct ancestor of Japan's imperial bloodline. As a weeb I thought you'd know that one in particular.
Also, check out Okami and its sequel. You'll have fun, especially if you look up the inspirations behind the various characters.
How did nux just found out that plaxidixac was an elden lord without looking at the lore
Nux would be one of the Nox in all honesty, chilling out underground with The Greater Will being annoyed at how based he is
Love these long videos while I’m just chillin at work
There are three instances I can recall off the top of my head where moon gods weren't feminine. One was the Egyptian moon god Konshu, the Japanese moon god Tsukuyomi, and the Norse moon god Mani.
Keep up the good work nux you make great vids 👍
I have watch all the lore but seeing nux take always interesting
well...
The Moghlester has now become the Miqlested
Mohg is innocent. I will not accept this slander!!!! 16:54
Before the dlc my guy
@@corbis7765 fair. Still unacceptable
Japanese Ranni: I want free will for all and will make sure outer gods stop meddling with the Lands Between.
English Ranni: I WILL TAKE THE EMOTIONS AWAY FROM ALL AND PLUNGE THE WORLD INTO DARKNESS
Ah, i presume the english dub or translation was bad?
@@jacobsmith8377 Not really, they say the same thing but some people are stupid.
Ultimately, Ranni was just doing what Marika wanted. To be released from the Greater Will.
Just cut the ties of the outter gods to the lands between
"My inner Warhammer is comin out - I wanna purge the heretics right now." 😂
I don't often comment on things, but I just wanted to thank you for the hours upon hours of content, Nux. I have you on while I'm working my day job and you bring a lot of laughter to my days. LOVE the lore deep dives you've been getting into- esp 40k and now Elden RIng. You excel at providing truly insightful analysis with your trademark wit that is just so engaging and thought-provoking. I know you said Dark Souls is on the docket in time- make sure to check out Vaatividya's Prepare to Cry series for that one. Oof. Lore that will hit you right in the GUT. Anyways, thank you, my guy, for being exactly who you are. Never change, sir. 💛
53:49 I think I have an answer to Nux's question what order does Miquella want? and I believe that it is an order of purity in order where no outer God can interfere with the lives of man you can see this when he so diligently tries to expunge the outer God of rot within his sister she does not want this she does not want to become a goddess of rot or bring upon an age of rot but many others in the lands between suffer the same fate she does The Omen and the Misbegotten are born with horns wings and tails that they did not ask for but were touched by an outer God still trying to cling on what little power they have left from an era long forgotten also Miquella when he goes into his alter ego St Trina he goes into the depths of Leyndell and calms the frenzied flame madness within the merchants by singing them to sleep
It is quite ironic that he wants an order of purity but has the power to control the minds of others he has the power to compel affection whether he does this on purpose or not or whether his followers follow him through devotion loyalty or just brainwashing we still do not know but whatever the case I believe he wants everything to be in abundance weather benevolent or benign all things should flourish and grow without influence and I believe this is what he wants in his unalloyed golden order
Or maybe he's just Griffith
Maybe he wants to ascend to outer God and and become his own orders outer God to stop the meddling of other gods all will be answered in the DLC just............9 more days
What is also really cool is how intelligence and faith looks at the powers of the cosmos. Sorcerers/astrologers view it in a more scientific way: you have the moons, meteors, the primeval current.
Faith users on the other hand give these cosmic forces names and revere them as Gods.
one thing i thin vaati forgets in this video about the omen is that the omen have other souls/people in there blood. thats why they probably cant sleep and also probably why they are born outside of grace. yes it may onlt be a curse in the context of the golden order but who wants other lifeforms inside you and horns everywere. it must be exhausting and and annoying. i think when they sleep the see the other people/spirits that dwell inside them. and the crucible is the ORIGIN of all life in the world (i think) not a outer god.
Yes!!! I’ve been waiting for this
Can’t wait for him to watch every Vaati video
He needs to watch Elden archeology after
@@marlonyo The Tarnished Archeologist? I haven't watched their videos. Are they good?
@@DrJones0801 yep i would recommend: The secret story behind Two and Three Fingers | Elden Ring Archaeology Ep. 18 . For being the most mindblowing for me.
Miquella and Malenia Backstories are my favourite inspirations of Elden Ring.
Miquella is best boy, just wants everyone to be happy and have everything they need
no
About worshipping dragons not being heretical, powerful religions are just institutions looking to expand their influence. Often, expectations and compromises are given to individual sects to maintain the peace or, in this case, be utilized for a greater end.
You forget an important fact. Before ue fought you, Radahn fought Malenia and forced her to use her rot powers AND retreat, WHILE holding back the stars AND keeping himself from crushing his horse. Guy is beyond broken in the verse.
Nux needs to watch the sorcery videos. It explains some cool stuff about the Cosmos.
It's the first time I notice Nux's eyes close differently, one closes curving downward and the other curving upwards.
You won’t understand the omen curse until you look at lore from the shadows of the erdtree dlc
There is some lore indicating that Melania fought Radahn specifically to resume the movement of the stars. Miqeulla was trying to resurrect Godwyn's soul, and it required a solar eclipse to complete.
Hey Nux, why did you ever stop doing the Yugioh pogression series? Just watched the series and it seems like you and Briggs planned on doing more.
its more likely that the smoldering butterflies are Mesmer's instead of Melina's now that the dlc is coming out, since he calls Marika mother in the trailer
one thing i'm still curious about is how the hell did Mohg kidnap miquella when malenia was right there? Am i supposed to believe he tiptoed in, cut out a tree chunk and dragged it back without her noticing when she wakes up just by us walking in.
He did it when her and her army was fighting Radahn and his so it probaly wasn't guarded to much
38:00 fairly certain the Great Serpent is not an Outer God, given we can actually fight it and do not get the 'God Slain' message I doubt it is even the Vassal of one, most likely it is some sort of lesser deity from the pre erdtree age like the Regal Ancestor Spirits
Funny thing is in the dlc we find out miquella bewitched mohg do everything moghlester was the mohglested
4:15 so because of Grandsax most of the dragons are dead. (Sorry i don't know how the name is spelled.)
The thing I find the most badass about Morgott's lore is that once of his monikers is "Morgott, the grace given" meaning that despite being an accursed omen despised by the order, he fought off all the demigod invasions on the capital, became the undisputed lord of Leyndell and *earned* his grace, which is something no other character in elden ring ever achieved
"Doesn't he look like Griffith from a specific angle" dude just gave the biggest dlc spoiler even before it was out
Nux pleaaaasssseeee see the video on frenzy flame lore, its so fucking good and would be right up your alley
51:20 it could be that he didn't want any influence and just to become god by himself
An interesting thing is that the story takes heavy inspiration not just from Lovecraft and Berserk, but also Celtic and Norse myth.
The demigods are surprisingly similar to the Tuathé de Danann of Celtic myth, which makes sense since this Divine lineage began when the Erdtree sprouted and took root in the Lands Between. Befitting as Radagon is similar to the Dagda, Father of the Tuathé, and Marika is similar to his consort, The Morrigan.
Fia, Ranni and Melina are reminiscent of the Three Princesses from the Ireland founding myth: Eriu, Banbha, and Fódla. Here, each of these three "queens" represent their own domain of The Forgotten Lands: The Stars, The Golden Order, and Those that Live in Death.
Hoarah Loux is significantly similar to the Ulster hero, CúChulainn. While Loux uses an Axe and Cu uses a Spear and Sword, They're both powerful wrestlers and fighter kings who become significantly stronger when angered.
A symbol that is used by the Golden Order, constantly, is the Treyarch or Triquestra; the loops representing a cycle of Birth, Life and Death.
The Erdtree is mainly based on the World Tree, Yggdrasil, but I kinda see some of the Celtic great oak tree in there, minus being fed by a holy river like the Danube.
Ranni herself might be a link to a princess named Rhiannon, a woman known to be the goddess of horses. And Ranni also happens to be fairly acquainted with Torrent. Not enough? One version of Rhiannon is named "Macha," who is one of the three goddesses of Death (like Ranni, Renna and Rennala)
Malenia has a good mix of a few of these references.
--She's obviously a Valkyrie in design, bearing holy armor and wings along her feminine figure.
--her fiery red hair and disposition for War bears resemblance to Scathach, a celtic War goddess from the Orkneys known for training CúChúlainn.
--her arm is likely a reference to Nuada, aka Nuada Silverhand, who was the Tuathe that led combat against the Formore. Speaking of which:
The Omen and Demihumans seem ti resemble the Formore, who inhabited the Island alongside the Fir Bolg, the humans that they warred with before the Fir Bolg themselves fought the Tuathe De Danann. (Btw, the Sword of Eochaid is named after a Fir Bolg, Eochaid, who would become High King of Ireland.) With the Fell God in the Fire Goant being similar to Balor with that one giant eye. Although, I think I can safely say we should all be very gappy we did not get to FIGHT Balor himself, or we'd never finish the game.
The Roundtable, Gideon and Tarnished all bear resemblance to Arthurian Knights. They are warriors who have died in service to their lord, resurrected to continue their service in their land's time of great strife, and bare holy destiny by their god's will.
I could list more, but that'd probably be an hour or half-hour long read. These are kinda the ones I noticed firsthand. Also, "Blaidd" is Welsh for Wolf.
Also Godrywn is very similar to Baldur literally everyone liked him and his death was the start of the fall of the golden order very similar to ragnorok
@@JamesW609 Hmm...
Liked by everyone
End of the world is started with his death
Gods failing to ressurect him (for Balder, it was a failure of all the Aesir to cry for him. For Godwyn, it's a fan theory that Miquella was going to resurrect him with a ritual during the Eclipse)
By Cernuunos, you're absolutely right!
@JamesW609 UPDATE: upon further reflection, it's pretty obvious that Godwyn is a reference to Baldr, but I'd also argue his warrior background, Uniter title, death at a young age and status as God of Light might mean he too is a sort of reference to the God of Light, War and The Hunt: Lugh. Even then, Morgott might be a play on Lugh as well, nit only being a King amd hunter wielding light, but his Omen curse might reflect Lugh's Fomorian heritage
27:10 Ranni is the eldest child?! Her little brothers became a big fuckoff snake and an absolute unit! That’s hilarious.
That ruins my theory that Marika recalled Radagon once she learned that he can sire Empyreans that could potentially replace her.
57:30 A fourth butterfly has been confirmed from those that played the DLC at the media tour. It's a charred, black one - Something that lines up pretty well with Messmer's whole deal. So, based on what we know right now, the Smoldering Butterfly falls back to Melina who I hope we get way more information on since - even though she's basically the whole reason our character does _anything_ - we still know next to nothing about her. I mean, we STILL don't know why Melina's body was burned up before the story began which is, like, the _entire_ inciting incident for how our character gets saved from being a maidenless piece of garbage.
The inclusion of a fourth butterfly also solidifies the whole "butterfly theory" to begin with. It wasn't necessarily shaky in the first place, but one _could_ make an argument for just plain coincidence. Now that all three children of Marika and Radagon have them (I'm sorta assuming Messmer is one of those considering, y'know, red hair..has a statue of Marika holding a baby in his throne room..literally refers to his mother sanctioning us as Elden Lord...etc.), I think it's pretty safe to say Melina is a fourth child in some way. Maybe not an empyrean like Miquella and Malenia, but definitely related.
The belief that stars have some kind of sentience and affect destiny is maintained to this day as astrology.
Wait Are the smoldering butterfly's actually A messmers butterflys???
Also what vaati's video of the age of star, malenia and miquella really like them and miquella explains a lot, miquella seems like a mix between thorfinn and griffith and that somehow works
Ngl i still really want nux to react to the elder scrolls lore
We need this
Don’t forget the most secretive daughter of marika….melanoma
0:57 naw, millicent
1:35 MITOSIS THEORY works great for this too
4:12 wait for it 5:53 yes this is it
6:47 the most ancient one, most likely, while the rune was the great crucible most likely
7:30 illusions, Mohgs one was to trick Margit into thinking he was still down there, Morgott so the people wouldn't notice they were ruled by an omen
9:35 even more mysterious why it seems to affect the dung eater as well
10:26 not exactly, they were the face of whatever is directly haunting them in their dreams for the purpose of pure horror.
47:53 not really, when she aeonian bloomed in the battle with radahn the rot god sunk more of its claws into her, taking away pieces of her, Millicent is the will that malenia lost upon the battle with radahn, the other ones are other pieces. Is she their parent, kind of but not really
47:57 naw, millicent
That stuff about the moon has been in From's games since at least Dark Souls 1. Gwyndolyn, Gwyn's son was male but raised as a woman because he had affinity with lunar magic.
It’d be cool if one day you reacted to Elder Scrolls lore, a bunch of videos on different parts of the lore
Corrections, the greater will is the creator of order and all life, he is superior to the outher gods, he doesn’t give a f**k of what kind of order is in place, he only whants some kind of order. Be it the golden order, the order of Rot or whatever, he doesn’t care.
He should do "biggest flexes in Elden Ring" XD
The fact the lore states Miquella can compel love, makes him seem so much more sinister.
Oh fuck, how did he know I was going to be watching the VOD? He's consumed too much lore, he must be stopped before he becomes too powerful.
Do Not Smite Me Boss!
I JUST realized this was in your Lord Nuxanor playlist because it's Lore! Like lore...d?! It's the word Lore...but WITH A D..🤯
Nux i hope you watch all of Vaati's Elden Ring lore collection.. there are some all time great videos, especially The Lord of Frenzied Flame; also, "The Lore of Elden Ring is Rotten" and the other more serious deep dives into specific characters are super based and well-done
54:50 Oh god he doesn't know 💀
You think the dragons had it bad wait into you hear about the omens and the merchants.
I like to think that the Marika and radagon being the same person is kinda like they were originally one person, but Marika created Radagon as another form before she decided that the golden order was bad. And since Radagon was not as powerful as Marika he was more influenced by the Greater will, so when the greater will commanded him to he left renalla and joined Marika, they sired the two cursed children and then when the shattering started the greater will forced radagon to wound and restrain Marika while attempting to reforge the elden ring
"Fathers day I got my dad a......let's not talk about it 🙁"" 😅😅😅 I love you're sense of humor!!
3:30 He likes realism and lets be honest, if giant flying fire breathing beasts existed IRL humans 100% would make sure they don't, there's no chance we wouldn't.
I wonder if Nux will one day react to the lore of individual Vtubers
I'm glad you mentioned Griffith. I thought the same thing
Elden Ring lore and Hollow Knight lore are my favorites in gaming
Gonna be a lot of new lore once the dlc comes out
I really love this lore deep dive content. Can you do Lord of the rings lore? I always love the lore but I really can't get into any of the shows movies books or games. Ok that probably sounds weird AF but it is what it is😂
7:30 Margit is a master of illusions and the weaker Margit, Mohg and Morgott are basically his shadow clones.
30:45 Go in game, wait until night, and look up. Two moons. One on each side of the tree, light and dark.
Nah nux you running these like a marathon and I can’t keep up but I will damn sure try
Nux let that be the difference you ran i stayed and watch
34:24 Fun Fact: The Moon is actually a masculine symbol in Norse (Mani), Japanese (Tsukuyomi) and Egyptian (Khonsu) myths, while the Sun is feminine in Norse (Sol/Sunna) and Japanese (Amaterasu) myths. 🙃
Age of stars video next please?
In the previuw a new butterfly that reference Messmer