100% Blind Reaction To EVERY H.P. Lovecraft Story & Lore...
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
- I, the exquisite and honorable lord nuxalore decided to make a mistake and do a lore dive in H.P. Lovecraft as a fan of eldritch horror and cosmic entities and outer god and anything that screams cthulhu or tentacles... well this was quite the rabbit hole hehe... check out Halloween Special: H. P. Lovecraft by Overly Sarcastic Productions: • Halloween Special: H. ...
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Was he racist?
Sure.
Are we judging a man who lived 100 years ago by modern societal standards?
Yup.
Is it ridiculous?
Definitely.
The fact Lovecraft's books are writen in first person makes it a lot easier to deal with too.
While Lovecraft might have meant for any racist elements of his stories to simply be facts of the world in his fiction, we today can give it wiggle room as the narrating characters' own biases and bigotry coloring their understanding of what they see.
So unlike other works of fiction that had more definitive narration making rasist beliefs a concrete fact of their worlds, we don't have to say "it's a product of it's time, try to ignore the racism baked into the setting as a consequence", but instead go "it's a period piece, and racism is part of the period. It doesn't have to be true in-universe, just as it wasn't true in reality"
I feel like that helps Locecraft's work endure the societal shifts that have come and gone since he wrote them.
@@RipOffProductionsLLCaye, when i am reading about a 1920's detective, painter, archeologist or higher learning white dude, I expect some form of casual racism.
If there is no racism then it loses the grounding of reality to get into the horror aspect.
It's also why a diverse cast in the witcher takes me out, shit is so polish in the books and game but the tv show screams "We're an American studio in the 21st century".
I don't bother judging racists anymore. I just pity them their idiocy.
Tbh, I'm surprised (not really, because modern times) how westerners read into stories about squid monsters, fish people, mutated abominations and gods beyond comprehention, and for half an hour be fixated on "that fish is a representation of a Jew!"... like, holy shit, some people don't have anything but race on their mind. Can't we read the story for just what it is? Whatever happened to "death of the author" and notions like that? Can't we just look at the stories for what they are? It seems like these days "Lovecraftian" means "racist" because we didn't hug the baby devouring puddle of teeth and eyeballs. It just feels so shallow. Most of the world didn't even notice any "racism" in the stories untill self-important pseudo-moralistic busy bodies started dig into it like a work through a corpse.
Like, all those people fixating on almost *nothing* but how the guy doesn't fit in a world 100 years later... just admit it's all about you screaming "lookie me! lookie me! I found another racist that died hundreds of years ago! Next I'll tackle Julius Ceasar!" It's just so vapid... It's just about the video maker, not the writer or his work.
@@BlaineCraner Im so happy there still is people out there who can still form a grounded and logical train of thought, never thought there would be any kind of intelligent discussion following me sitting on the toilet and essentialy putting out a shitpost in regards to how stupid people are nowdays.
You people have restored a sliver of faith in humanity by not suffering from modern brainrot.
I feel sorry for him.. his whole family has a history of going mad. He was basically mentally and emotionally abused by his mom who went mad which in turn basically stunted his mental and emotional growth
So he's a Whateley?
Yes he just doesn’t know it
And after she passed, he dealt with two aunts that made the ones in James and the Giant peach look nice.
Except that he got through it and became a better person even if it did weaken his fiction.
@@fidjeenjanrjsnsfh well, they do say write what you know.
It's ironic that Howard. Philips. Lovecraft believed that nothing could live on the bottom of the ocean. But after discovering more & more of the sea, the creatures become more Lovecraftian in appearence
Maybe he was right all along.
He knew
Most of the ocean floor is a barren, lifeless wasteland.
@@EksaStelmerewe haven't mapped 90% of the ocean... we can't know that...
@@DogmaticNonsense That's outdated. Closer to 30% of the ocean has been mapped and, aside from the places you'd expect, it's still mostly barren.
Gotta love how the air conditioner story is literally just Lovecraft going “You mean there exists mechanisms that conjure sudden cold winds? WHAT MIGHT THEY BE CAPABLE OF?!?!”
Man was truly creative.
Capable of staving off the true horror of the story, meaning he wasn't afraid of confused about air conditioners at all, he just used it as a tool for a story.
It is basically a dude that figured immortality but was dumb enough to not buy truck load of air conditioning and learn the one he have in and out so when it broke he died very quickly
@@chimera9818 he could've also just moved a colder climate, would've been free to move about outside instead of relying on deliveries for everything.
@@chimera9818
If it included pipes in the walls, I don't think a "truck load of air conditioning" would have made sense. Of course, I have no idea what a 20's A/C looked like.
In Lovecraft's defense, his mum was highly overprotective during his childhood so he barely attended school and didn't leave the house much, so his resources for learning about the world around him was limited to mainly old books in his home from the previous century... hence the racism lmao
Ironically, he actually had a few friends of different ethnicities and towards the end of his life was showing signs of reevaluating his world views but sadly he died of intestinal cancer soon afterwards :(
Aledgedly, he even tried to have some of his earlier works destroyed out of regret, only to have his friends insist that he not. Though I'm unsure how true that story is or isn't.
False Advertising, this is not "EVERY H.P. Lovecraft Story & Lore...". This does not have the Albino Penguins
Or Kaddath.
So messed up they didnt mention "A penguin fringed abyss"
Some points many don't talk about Lovecraft is his racism was pointed out by his only close friends, those in this writing group, one of those being Howard the writer of Conan. This did actually have him reevaluate himself and change to a large degree.
I recommend Nux watch Weaponized Nerd Rage’s video on Lovecraft the man himself. He honestly needed a hug with how broken his home life was. Also the cat wasn’t technically his and just came with the name. He also gradually changed his mind on a lot of things especially where race was concerned. Lovecraft was a man born too late for the time period he romanticized and too early for the one that was coming forth. He was a “man out of time” figuratively speaking.
Yeah I feel he’s judged for the opinions he had in his life and not the ones who had when he died. People who change and become better deserve to be remembered for overcoming their issues and bigotry. We shouldn’t ignore how they felt and acted before, but we shouldn’t treat them like they were ONLY that.
I wrote a 20+ page paper on Lovecraft and Howard. Actually used a 3 volume set of Lovecrafts correspondence between his publishers and other authors. He really did grow and change over the years. Wish I still had a copy of that paper. The title was Weird Tales by Strange Men.
@@Fordo007 Hard agree, people should be remembered for how they changed and developed, not just for their mistakes. It honestly one of the reasons i like Lovecraft so much.
@@DystOptimist Funny you mentioned Robert E Howard since both him and Lovecraft were polar opposites in their writing philosophies yet were such good friends they would swap characters into each others works. Both died way too young, it’s such a shame what happened to them.
He's quoted as saying he wanted to Shove his younger self into a meat grinder later in life when he apologized for his racist views.
Imagine if Lovecraft was alive today. Seeing how incredibly diverse the Americans are, the very concept of Nuclear Weapons (Remember, he died shortly before Project Manhattan began,) The image of a Black Hole and what some of the sea creatures of the deepest depths look like.
HPL would have a blast hanging out with theoretical physicists and astronomists.
@@jaimetheone9150I would love to see them go crazy seeing how badly he misunderstands what they are trying to tell him.
@@Fordo007 3-Body, the chinesse novel/series/netflix adaptation uses theoretical physics to make a suspense and horror story, kinda cosmic horror.
Two words: quantum mechanics
He'd love Godzilla ig.
Ok Nux just don’t ask what Lovecraft’s cat is called
You mean his grandfather's cat that he inherited as a boy?
shubwhiskeroth
Too late
Ah I looked it up... Yea can't say that. It's instakill.
Edit lmao I didn't expect him to show it on screen
Auntie nyan nyan is her name
In Lovercraft's defence. He never uses the word black. He uses much more poetic words.
B A S E D
E X T R E M E L Y
B A S E D
like 99 percent of people in the 1920s.
almost like people forget the N word is literally a diffrent pronounciation for the spanish word for blak.
@@housewilma4904 i think we're working on different N words.... never had problems with spaniards saying "N(&%er"
@@bartofii The spanish word is "Negro" and no, I know what some people reading this comment later on might think and I am not censoring it, it is literally just the name of the color, get over it.
“Thoroughly racist even by the standards of the time.” Untrue. He was casually racist for his times, reflecting the fact that he had almost no contact with other races. It’s important to remember that Lovecraft was writing in the 1920s, which immediately followed the “nadir of race relations”.
By the end of his life Lovecraft stopped being racist, he even wrote in a letter to one his friends about how foolish he was for his bigotry.
If he really repented I genuinely feel bad that he’s so maligned after death
He did, and even at his peak racist, he was just as distrusting of white people, he feared and distrusted literally everyone but like 5 people @DrGandW
Didn't he disgust even the KKK?
On the one hand yes.
On the other hand, Tolkien was his contemporary and strongly anti-racist.
So “he was a man of the 20s” isn’t entirely an excuse
"The horror, it's so awful that it's indescribable." *proceeds to describe it in verbose detail*
It beats Stephen King, that guy will not shut up. Read the Stand and tell me I'm wrong.
I mean, that´s what ruined Mountains of Madness for many people because he startet to early to describe the horror.
Still my favourite Lovecraft Story!
And in his best storys he doesn´t even describe the horror. He describes around it.
And then with that little titbits of info your mind starts running wild.
Weird fact.
It’s implied that the cosmic horrors of the Lovecraft mythos existing is canon to the 40K universe.
And that during the Emperor’s Great Crusade-The Dark Angels Space Marine Legion killed Cthulhu
The Rangdan?
@@Fordo007OHSHIT! WHERE!!!
*dives under bed*
That...... is simply not possible. At least i don't think so.
@@devlinmcguire7543 To be fair, I feel warhammer probably is the kind of series where that shit can happen
King in Yellow King in Yellow King in Yellow
Fun fact the color magenta has no corresponding wavelength and thusly should not exist but we can see it anyway.
The idea of light that mutates everything it touches is scary, The very fact that you are seeing it means that it's always changing you. I imagine it as your eyes mutating as the light touches them, growing new cones allowing you to experience new shades of color.
Imagine 🌈 that. Turn you to 🐌.
Accidentally predicting radiation sickness.
@@EksaStelmere Madame Curie figured that out in the 1890's
@@TheScreamingMime Very true, but people didn't freak out about it until the 1940s.
There’s a roleplaying game called The Call of Cthulhu, its most prominent characteristic is that all playing characters got a number of Sanity Points, each time you meet a Lovecraft monster or witness a gruesome event you roll against Sanity, and lose a certain amount of points, you lose them all you die of fright or go irreversibly mad. Those sailors in R’lyeh not only saw Cthulhu, they received the full telepathic blast of his alien mind, which broadcasts alien thoughts all around the planet, giving artistic types a world away nightmares. In game terms, they lost 1d100 Sanity, they either died of fright, were mangled and/or devoured by Cthulhu, the only guy save Johansen who made it to the boat spent a couple of days continuously shouting on the deck until he died, and Johansen whose hair went white and descended to an early grave (but he beat f***ing Cthulhu, damnit!)
Me when I timetravel to meet Lovecraft:
"The stars in the sky can wipe away our atmosphere and oceans in moments. The laws of physics can spontaneously change somewhere in the middle of space, and erase everything. Exotic matter more stable than normal matter could randomly hit earth, turning it into a sphere of subatomic soup smaller than a city. All these things actually might be possible, and we'd have no warning. No intelligent force behind it, and no consideration for what's destroyed. "
Do make certain you mention AI, the paperclip maximiser theory, and Roko's basilisk to him when you see him. I'd love his take on that.
Lovecraft is about to write his most crack head story yet!
Ironically, if you did you might be the REASON he writes the mythos as to him that's a impossibility and something he can't understand lmfao
Fun fact: According to available documentation tentacle hentai was invented by Katsushika Hokusai in the work The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife.
I recomed the Tale Foundary's video on H. P. Lovecraft's writing técnicamente for a better understanding of how he managed to describe horror while describing nothing at all, how something sounds so stupid when abriged, sounds so horrifying when you read the original. It is more of a literary dive than a lore dive, but very interesting if you want to understand why it became so loved and popular, why Cathulu is everywhere today despite coming from something so simple.
Tale Foundry produces some truly excellent videos.
Fun Fact: In the Hearts of Iron 4 mod Kaiserredux, you can get H.P. Lovecraft to rule New England. It is an extremely instane path, and i absolutely love it.
Btw, Nux should react to Kaiserreich/Kaiserredux lore. It is also insane.
People love to harp on about Lovecraft racism and homophobia, but always fails to mentioned that his wife was Jewish and his best friend who helped published his stories after he died was gay. He's was a sad lonely man that suffered so much tragedy at a young age, and was scared of the rapidly changing world that was happening around him. Never hurted anyone, suffered mentally from paranoia, and died alone at the hospital from intestine cancer. Also fun fact he never gave his cat that name, it was his father.
Lovecraft at publication
"Cosmic Horrors beyond your comprehension"
Lovecraft today
"Average thursday"
There's a couple of facts I found out that Overly Sarcastic Productions missed,
1. His father was a traveling salesman, who later in life when Lovecraft was a toddler, was committed to a mental asylum due to, what we now know thanks to modern medicine, generic syphilis
2. Lovecraft's mother used a low amount of cyanide, as a makeshift makeup quick fix, due to its power to tighten muscle, which would later in her life, drive her off the deep end(pun unintended)
3. Before Lovecraft moved in with his grandfather (a role model in his early years and a merchant sailor), Lovecraft's mother dressed H.P. in little girl clothes until he was 7 or was it 8 years old (never got that part right) however, when mother and son moved in with the grandfather, he firmly told her to stop it and the books that H.P. read were from his grandfather's library.
Now, I may or may not be wrong, this is just a personal opinion on the facts, but yes, he was casually racist but he didn't know that his editor was secretly gay, also he would become acquainted with master escape artist, Harry Houdini, at least in his later years, both even tried to make an astrology article with no religious context, which was very unwise at that time period, so much so, that Houdini, while taking care of Lovecraft's apartment, would get attacked by a zealous convert wielding a penknife and stabbed him in the kidney or liver, he survived until the unfortunate incident of the water torture tank.
Take these facts and opinions with a grain of salt cause yes, he was racist and a mild misanthrope caused by childhood trauma but created the largest fan following that grows day by day and one of the greatest genres of horror of all time(also this is the largest comment I've done😥).
(Weird noises from behind) what was that?
(Noises continue) 🤤oh no, you don't!
😨Quickly, the window, I must escape through the window!
😈😂, just kidding, I am alright, little joke.
Wait, Lovecraft was friends with Houdini?
How have I never heard this fun fact before?(or if I did, how/why did I forget it?)
@@RipOffProductionsLLC it wasn't recorded but Houdini was in Brooklyn at the time, while taking care of the apartment, Lovecraft was in Vermont to get inspiration and came back with a short story called The Whisperer in the Dark because while a guest at a farm, at night, the eerie silence felt like he could hear whispering outside the guest bedroom (which was a first floor room that wasn't used often) window, were Houdini and Lovecraft friends? No, they were business partners when creating the astrology article but when Houdini got attacked, Lovecraft fell once again into a small state of depression, especially on the return trip to Brooklyn, cause Houdini told him that he had to quit because he had to do a performance in a different city and also, Houdini didn't want to disobey his wife/other business partner, who was distraught over the attack, the rest is known history as Lovecraft would die poor and suffering from intestinal cancer or the grip (as he called it), we all know what happened to Houdini.
He should just do a DEEP DIVE into OSP wonderful people following them since college
Ditto. One of the best channels there is!
Same here
Eh, they tend to condense history and mythos for the worse, and inject a lot of their own bias into their videos.
A lot of people forget he was more accepting of others in his older years. So he became less racist but most people don’t view him that way for some reason.
Gotta virtue signal these days
@V0liathon I was thoroughly put off by the casual dismissal of the man and all his works as racist since he was more than just a bigot. This woman's video was not very good and Nux's reaction being to similarly dismiss and belittle Lovecraft wasn't entertaining. Maybe it's because I don't view everything through the lense of race and don't have America's apparent obsession with racism but I don't think we should dismiss a man who lived a hundred years ago for his mild level of racism and ignore any nuance about his beliefs and fears.
@@Japaneseanimeguy exactly, people who spend most of their time shitting on others generally have skeletons in their closet aswell
it's the modern society's hangups in action.
I like when people say "in his older years when it's more like he was an edgy teen and early twenties guy and chilled out by the time he was in his late twenties. It didn't even take long for him to "get better" but he's judged for his early poetry and weird theosophy phase.
I can explain some things on Lovecraft and his works as I am a reluctant fan because the dude was an interesting wreck of a man.
-the constitution for Math was due to physical illnesses as most classrooms were known for being extremely dusty. He couldn't BE in a math classroom because he would suffer horribly from his weak constitution against chalkdust.
-we do have a theory over what happened to his mother, as it sounds like she was schizophrenic as she, like her son would do soon, would describe seeing horrifying figures lurking in shadows. Figures that Lovecraft codeified as the demonic Night-Gaunt in the ACTUAL book he hated (but I kinda like the trippy freaky fun idea of), "Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath." We don't know for certain because the sanatorium she was held in burned down along with all patient records. But we also know that she's one reason for Lovecraft's shit behaviors to others as she was horribly abusive to him, mentally and emotionally.
-the Xenophobia thing was based in his very limited understanding of cults in areas like Africa or Samoa. It's why stuff like the "White Ape Goddess" and "Cult of Dagon" are a thing; pretty common for a Progressive of the 1920's. Ironically, he was both a xenophobic douche that was abusive to his Jewish wife, and a legit good friend that included works by his friends into his Cosmology. Including American author extraordinaire, Robert E Howard, creator of Conan the Barbarian and Solomon Kane. If you had a freaky addition that could add something new and scary, and you wanted to add it to the admittedly communal Eldritch Cosmology, he'd be like "Oh sure dude, go right ahead."
-that said, most of his more "diverse" antagonists were not cartoonish or tropey, as the common link between them all is gaining knowledge of and worshipping Gods from beyond human comprehension. One recurring figure, the "Mad Arab" Abdul Al-Hazred, is mentioned as writing the original copies of the Necronomicon, which is how these cults learn to summon and banish these gods. While race plays more into it, the bigger focus as I've seen is based more in gaining knowledge beyond what humans SHOULD know. Ironically, my preferred work of his, Shadow over Innsmouth, not only painted these cults as particularly evil of those from their race, such as the Dagon worshipping Pacific Islanders who raided their neighbors for sacrifices to Dagon and the Deep Ones, but was also a self-insert story as the main character of Innsmouth is based on Lovecraft. This was because he found out his father's mother was Welsh; aka not purely British.
--- 47:49 Actually, Red kind of washes over it for comedy and expediency, but the Exposition on Innsmouth was told by the bus station clerk to Olmstead to dissuade him from going. It was an "Are You Crazy!?!" Sort of lore drop, especially as, in the story, everybody in New England is scared to be within 5 miles of Innsmouth, and outsiders have a habit of disappearing in Innsmouth. Forever. It's also indicative of an expert skill Lovecraft had: he knew how to make lore dumps work, either by working them into the situation organically or by making horrifying visions unto the protagonists (see also: At the Mountains of Madness.)
-While I do enjoy his works (especially the Gou Tanabe manga adapting them) and effects on culture in general, his works when he was alive were not popular at all. His pulps and novels would sell rather poorly, even his Romantic Comedy and poetry works. The only reason he got published to begin with was that he had friends with ties that also published his other manuscripts after his death. He's one of those authors that got popular after his death. Compared to L Ron Hubbard, who was and is a shit Sci-Fi author that only got popular because he invented a religion based on his shit books as an alternative to psychology.
-a thing about the Color that Red didn't mention is that it's effects on the farm are similar-ish to radiation. In fact, it's kind of a meme that if Lovecraft were to live long enough to learn about the Atomic Bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or the Chernobyl Elephant's Foot, he'd scream "I KNEW IT" while panicking like mad.
-A funny note about Cthulhu that Red and MANY others before her tend to ignore is that, while Cthulhu is extremely, riculously powerful, he ISN'T a Great Old One. He's something conceptually scarier: Cthulu is the PRIEST of the Great Old Ones. Yes, a horrifying entity like Cthulhu is only the Preacher of their teachings, AND THAT WHICH HE WORSHIPS ARE *STRONGER THAN HIM!* THINK ABOUT THAT!
If you can, try to find a complete Works volume of his works or do what I did: start by trying out the Gou Tanabe manga that adapt his stories. I guaran-goddamn-tee you will not be disappointed. He's even adapting Call of Cthulhu as his next manga.
If it wasn't for mr Lovecraft l wouldn't have read Die Unausprechlichen Kulten . A book that changed my life back in 1947.
@@piotrjeske4599 Ooh, interesting. What's the book like? I'm intrigued
Cthulhu honestly needs a really good horror game. Something set in the future. Maybe thousands of years after humans have colonized other planets they return to earth to find nobody alive. They don't know what happened, and the only clues are strange totems or ritual sites that they have to research/study to find the meaning of-all the while they're hallucinating things that happened in the past, some things that haven't happened yet, and others that are happening now. Cthulhu is never seen in person, maybe a silhouette, the terror is never knowing what's real and what's not, as the game would never give indications if what you're seeing is a hallucination. Then at the end, they find a single page of the necronomicon that reveals that Cthulhu is the high priest of a great old one, and you realize just how outmatched you are.
Red can be really biased when talking of authors who don’t fancy her political opinions, that’s why she mocked the “constitution for math”, really ironic considering that he was of weak disposition and prone to get sick.
But he was a New Englander gentleman of the 20’s who didn’t like immigrants, so it’s not surprising.
@@SebasTian58323We have corners of the earth and alone in the dark
Damn it, I was looking forward to this but it's the infamous OSP video that cant get over itself when it comes to "racism bad" (no shit)
Hopefully Nux watches another video on the topic later
Lovecraft didnt hate races other than white, he was afraid of and didnt trust anyone except like 3 people, and he was just as afraid and disconcerted with rhode island as he was everywhere else, making it a point to have just as many, if not more, new england and rhode island white people.
I love osp and red, but she did let some bias sneak in as he wasnt as racist and hateful as she portrays, hes a classic im not racist. I distrust everyone equally.
Also fun fact his best friend, who he only corresponded with through letters, was the creator of conan of Cimarron
See “At The Mountains of Madness” for the deep lore of the Old Ones
“Dreams in the Witch House” for peak Mind Horror
See “Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath” to see just how much of an insane acid trip Lovecraft stories can turn into.
You’ve just scratched the surface of how nutty the Lovecraft Mythos gets
I don't like how people characterized hp Lovecraft as racist. He wasn't so much a race supremacist as he was terrified of absolutely everyone who wasn't the little social circle his mother put him in.
I mean, that doesn't mean he wasn't a racist though? Just that he wasn't "only" a racist, he was terrified of a lot of stuff. Xenophobia can also result in racism, it isn't solely driven by a belief in racial supremacy.
Plus, if someone killed someone else, you wouldn't argue that he wasn't a murderer because he did a bunch of other crimes as well, right?
@Birthday888 See, that's why I don't like that characterization. He didn't murder anyone and he didn't discriminate against anyone because wasn't in a position to do that. Would he have? Probably but also maybe not. He wasn't just terrified of immigrants or mixed race people, he was petrified of everyone and his imagination turned everything he was scared of into horrors that were beyond the powers of people like him.
I love how she constantly reminds the views that he was racist, in case we forget (btw im mixed race so shut the fuck up)
@@Birthday888That murder comparison is really terrible, honestly. No one is trying to argue that "oh, he was racist but he was also classist so that means he wasn't racist" or something like that, and it's dishonest of you to try and present it like people somehow mean he isn't racist because he also did other things that were wrong.
The point is that his case is complicated. He was an immensely unwell emotional wreck who was scared of everyone outside of a small group and processed that fear by imagining the worst in everything else. That doesn't make it right, but it feels incorrect to dismiss completely. It's kind of like the "pure evil" vs "broken" debates about villain characters. I don't have to agree with and excuse every negative trait about the guy to put him in the broken category and disagree with anyone dismissively writing him off as pure evil.
@@unkemptjargon91
That was a hypothetical for comparison, not a claim of him killing anyone.
Frankly, YOU are claiming he was not racist because he was not "a race supremacist." Literally saying he was not one thing because he was not one type of that thing.
I gotta say, Lovecraft’s got one hell of a legacy that he never would have predicted. If it wasn’t for him, we would have never gotten awesome things such as the Call of Cthulhu RPG, Delta Green, Cthulhutech, and Sucker for Love.
If Nux likes the Lovecraft horror thrn I guess he is gonna love " Lord of the Mysteries " anime which is based upon this theme when it gets animated
One of the best books I ever read. Great antagonist amazing support characters. I will never look a monocle the same way again
@@Midtierman Man.....🧐🧐🧐 scared the sh*t out of me too
HP Lovecraft? we making it into cancellation with this one 🔥
no way we get Nux reacting to OSP and Bricky before GTA 6
nux is slowly ticking off the boxes of my favorite shit recently. first adventure time now lovecraft lore? the simulation is working in my favor
Nothing is more essentially Lovecraft than being terrified of a different color
Radiation sickness is caused by a colour you can't see.
To be fair, that cat was his childhood cat at like 7 years old, named by his grandfather.
Edit after finishing:
She was pretty unfair to Lovecraft, regardless of the channel name.
Many of the ideas she shits on were actually pretty revolutionary and much more complex, than she gives them credit.
The Colour Out of Space especially plays with the fears of radiation and the idea that alien beings can be as abstract as just a colour, not vapour, not gas, just colour. Add to that the visual idea of "imagine a new colour", and it perfectly encapsulates cosmic horror, in my opinion.
He was also not as much of a racist, as an everythingist. The poor man didn't even think he was superior, he fucking hated and was disgusted with himself and basically all of his works.
He was a broken, scared and overly sheltered person in a very racist era.
The "mental health is #1" crowd is so quick to take back sympathy, the MOMENT the mentally ill person has an opinion they don't like.
OSP condenses thing down a lot, and I’ve found that the more I look into things, the more biased the channel seems. This Lovecraft video is a perfect example of this, and they’ve been called out for doing this in some of their most recent videos, last I heard.
Some of their videos are good, but they’re more for entertainment than actual facts. Red is particularly bad with this.
Red is honestly the most disingenuous person on that channel, which is concerning as the primary host.
@@The_Nocturnal_Raven The myth videos drive me crazy with the way she spins them, I enjoy them but it still infuriates me. It's somewhat subtle but damaging.
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according to red "medea" women who killed his brother and chopped his body so her father has to gather his remain than murder her own children , as girl boss.
yeah, F red.
@@The_Nocturnal_Raven Biased is putting it mildly, lol. They shit on anything or anyone that doesn't adhere to today's fragile sensibilities, and yes, Red is most certainly the main perpetrator. Her personal opinions overshadow any factual information the channel is trying to get across.
The trick is, the "mythic" part of the mythos is largely the work of other authors, largely organized by August Derleth.
Thats what I like about lovecrafts characters. They DONT matter. Its like another layer to the cosmic horror
Lovecraft submitted his stories to magazines for his income. So they couldn’t be very long in the first place
I find it funny Nux labels his videos "100% blind reaction" probably so he doesn't have to keep saying he didn't pre watch
Can Nux try the Journey to the West Lore video series by Overly Sarcastic Productions? I know its like not even done yet but here me out, anyway. One of my favorite video by Red. (Under the Sea~)
I love how she trashes him for being 'racist' & not a single blurb on him being abused. He was xenophobic. Maybe we should also trash ppl for being arachnophobic.
"The Color Out of Space" got turned into a film starring Nicholas Cage, and imo it's one of his better movies where he gets to flex his balls-to-the-wall-crazy acting talents in recent years.
20:30 Euclidean geometry derives an entire system of geometric logic from 8 basic assumptions. One of those assumptions is that parallel lines never intersect. This seems like a pretty safe assumption until you look at the longitude lines on a globe and realize that Euclid's proofs fall completely apart in a world with more than 2 dimensions. The mathematical world of Lovecraft's youth was rather upended by the horrifying realization that we might not actually be so sure about all the proofs written over the last 2000 years.
While a more complete system of n-dimensional math was eventually developed, it was a hammer blow against The Age of Reason, which wouldn't be equaled until Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle mathematically proved that in order to know certain things, we must give up on knowing certain other things. Math is a quest for perfect understanding through logic, and the hope had always been that a truly complete mathematical system would allow perfect knowledge of everything, so the goals of mathematics are fundamentally challenged by the idea of the unknowable.
That's not entirely accurate. Euclidean geometry works fine no matter how many dimensions we are working with, the important aspect is that all axis of the coordinate system are perpendicular to each other and not curved. It's always been and will always been a very usable simplification for everyday use in the form of the simple x-y-z-coordinates we should all have been working with in math class.
A globe is kind of a bad example, as only certain projections of the surface of a globe to a 2d plane even have longitude lines as parallel lines to begin with, and that's explicitly an aspect of the projection. In actual 3d space, they aren't even straight lines.
Basically as soon as Euclid's work was published, there was discussion on the issue of parallel lines, but it took quite a while until mathematicians got to the point where they actually were able to define non-euclidean spaces and make calculations in them, but that wasn't really an existential crisis, just an answer to a long-standing question.
General relativity probably played a bigger part, as that opened up the idea that the space we live in is not actually an Euclidean space, but intrinsically curved.
No idea where Heisenberg comes in here, especially for mathematicians. The Uncertainty Principle applies to physical properties, and even than mainly on a quantum level, not the math we use to describe them. That's a physicist issue, not a mathematician one.
HOLY SHIT U REACTED TO OSP JAJAJAA!!! SOME OF MY FAVOURITE UA-camRS ON THE SAME SCREEN AAHHHHH (also H.P. Lovecraft do be a weirdo)
YES!
Lovecraft is a weirdo yes but so is the person who tries ruining people's lives on baseless accusations lmao
Nux Should watch
How strong are the Lovecraftian Gods
His mind will BREAK
The one by literally who.
@@marlonyo yes
What i always find bizarre about peoples view on HP Lovecraft. Is the expectation of him being a "good guy" or something that wasn't fucked up. He's remembered for his work. Shamed for who he really is, only decades later. Yet to be immortalized for his views and imaginations.
If you want to be memorable, stand out.
Also have your friends carry your torch and one being the dude who made Conan the Barbarian
Old Ones didn't create the Necrons, they upset and then were killed by them. xD
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY SEEING THIS COLLISION OF UA-camRS MAKES ME
Recommendations for future OSP content: I'd primarily focus on Red instead of Blue's content in terms of what you and your audience will mostly find entertaining, as Red focuses on Classic Lit, fictional tropes, and mythology whereas Blue's focus is on factual history. Though people do find his "Pope Fights" videos very entertaining too.
Now, for other LORE dives in classic lit like Lovecraft here, you got other horror bangers she made Halloween videos on like Frankenstein, Dracula, Jekyl & Hyde, and a handful of Poe's stories... Aside from the Misc Myths which in and of themselves are treats, you also get the deeper timeline dives for NuxaLore on various Gods/Goddesses like Hermes, Aphrodite, and Dionysus... AND her ongoing Journey to the West series that, from the very creation of the Monkey King in episode 1, cements itself as relevant to Nux's weebness as the proto-Dragon Ball series.
One-offs I really enjoy and would recommend is anything to do with Hades & Persephone, "the Underworld myths", you'll probably be interested in learning more about JP myths (ya weeb), and hey with June coming up there's a compilation of "Pride Tales" too (and maybe bring in your homeboy Kwite for that one).
Just saying, ideas for the taking ;)
There is a guy called “Literary who” who has a great video on describing how powerful and ridiculous the lovecraft mythos is.
Edit: “one dude who does powerscaling.” Yup, pretty sure its this guy.
Speaking of classic horror literature, please check out Wendigoon's Frankenstein summary.
After watching it, Frankenstein's Monster just became so relatable.
I mean OSP also did Frankenstein too, along with Dracula and some Poe stories.
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And while I found that entertaining, after watching Wendigoon's explanation, I came to realise that the OSP version did not do the story justice, focusing more on comedy (which is fine, as I said, I enjoy it) than the overall theme and characteristics of Frankenstein and the Monster.
I watched OSP's version, "haha, funny doctor man build monster and failed to take accountability", I watched Wendigoon's... and I teared up after learning about the Monster. Its loneliness, isolation, self-hatred and hatred of the world born of understandable reasons.
There's quite a big difference there, you see.
Basically: OSP made me laugh, Wendigoon made me cry.
Saya no uta is my first venture into lovecraft inspired horror god its such great story, gen urobochi you madman you killed it it portays cosmic horror both in a beautiful sense and in a horrifying sense and the ost is also god tier
Nux reacting to OSP? And it's the H P Lovecraft video?? We are truly blessed this day!!!
Nux, you don’t just look at a Great Old One and die. A normal dude looked at one of the strongest gods in H.P. Lovecraft's universe and only went to the hospital for a while. You die from looking at the Great Old One only if you have weak mental fortitude.
They die because they are just average people with an average mind.
Oooo , , , Overly Sarcastic Productions is a nice channel
It's not. She's a meanspirited jerk.
13:56
And suddenly I know where the inspiration for the Alan Wake games came from
An OSP reaction?
This is gonna be good
There's a book called Strange Eons. The premise, Lovecraft work was Not fiction. Everyone just assumed it was.
_"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age."_
Lovecraft
nux u need to know about the lore of “I have no mouth and I must scream”, it’s a short horror story that is getting popular again, it’s really good even more knowing it was made in the 90s, take care
Meh, her breakdown is fine but a little much, I'm here for the deeper mythos lore!
Doesn't help that Red's breakdown is annoyingly disingenuous and skips out on key details while adding extra description of racism that wasn't there.
@@EksaStelmereI ended up not bothering with OSP much anynore, cause they've falled very hard into the pop history hole, where stuff is dumbed down or made more entertaining, and ends up losing a lot of nuance and context.
Overly sarcastic production! YES!!!
Please do more.
To REALLY know the lovecraftian eldritch horrors you should play the educational game, sucker for love
Slightly off topic but OSP is a fantastic channel that people should definitely check out
HP Lovecraft Historical Society. They make great audio dramas of the Lovecraft's works.
BBC Radio 4 did 2 excellent radio plays for "At the Mountains of Madness" and "Shadow Over Innsmouth"
NGL i think i understand the 'no constitution for math'. When i was in middle school anytime a teacher had a writing assignment that wasn't based on fact, like write a short story. I would get splitting headaches, a fever, and needs to sleep which i did in the nurses office for about half an hour to an hour. This only happened during those times, and eventually i was except from imaginative writing assignments, my parents had to talk to the school about it and instead i got more book assignments. Eventually that went away with age, but i imagine it was something like that.
20:41 Red is an expert. She studied the stuff. As someone who also studies the stuff at uni, I’ll co-sign her
o the gods aren't fighting, they already won, all reality belongs to them
It was cause of Nasuverse that i even became interested in Lovecraft some years ago. Seeing Nux getting interested has reignited my interest.
Hey Nux, long time watcher, first time commentor. If you ever need some deep lore involving Eldritch Gods, cabals of world load-bearing wizrds, blood hungry vampires, soul thirsty wraiths, and millenia spanning conspiracies involving temoral paradoxes, may I recommend the lore of the Legacy of Kain series. More specifically the videos of said lore posted by StrictlyFantasy. I believe it would be right up your alley.
This was my first time hearing these stories, and it made me realize the "colors of madness" expansion to darkest dungeon is so obviously based on that "evil colors on the farm" story.
45:43 they did actually matter she says that they explained that it half existed in this reality so they made it not exist they were the ones who did it I think the lightning is just like when you beat a boss and it explodes
I feel Nux need to listen to the dramatic retelling of these stories through the Lovecraft Historic Society as they make it sound like a fun ol timy radio called DARK ADVENTURE RADIO THEATRE
Lovecraft teaches us that in the vastness of space the real horror are the immigrants we let in all along.
Considering the fact that H.P. Lovecraft was really, REALLY racist, it might be true
XD
@@graveslayer9666not wanting unregulated immigration is not racist by any stretch of the imagination
@@graveslayer9666except in his later years he reeavaluated many of his beliefs. Sadly he died a few years later so there isn't as much writing reflecting that. Also shadow over Innsmouth is a bit of a self insert as he learned he had some welsh heritage aka not completely british similar to the protagonist. It was mostly his extremely sheltered upbringing that made him this way. We should always remember that people can change.
Overly sarcastic productions is a personal fav channel of mine. nux should check out the journey to the west series they're doing
I think Nux would like OSP's series on The Journey to the West. For an anime lover, and for those with not enough time to read through the entirety of that tale, it's a fun summarization.
I STRONGLY recommend literary who's series on how strong lovecrafts mythos is, everyone likes power scaling :)
I like OSP, but they really do Lovecraft dirty in this video. I'm sure Red's just following the established 21st century academic consensus, but the racism, xenophobia, and ignorance are way overexaggerated compared to the impression I got personally reading Lovecraft. There are elements of Lovecraft's racism coming through here and there, but the main driving theme I see throughout Lovecraft's stories is, "Human science and technology is laughably inadequate to grapple with what's really out there." The Old Ones and all the other various horrors that appear in Lovecraft's stories defy all ordinary scientific understanding, and are largely impervious to any technology we might bring to bear to try to oppose them. The closest we can come to understanding them is through a religious lens -- and specifically a pagan or even demoniacal lens that both Lovecraft and his audience at the time would typically view as dark superstitions that had long since been overturned by Christianity and/or enlightened scientific reason.
Even the racialized elements, where they do come up, play into this larger theme: The villains are typically non-whites and/or low-status backwater whites, not *because* of their race, but because they are *cultists*. And even a relatively progressive writer in Lovecraft's time would agree that in those days, it would be *highly* unusual for a well-off, respected, and educated white person to be involved with such superstitious practices. And it's not like Lovecraft portrays these dark cults as somehow typical of non-WASPs -- for instance, as OSP's video notes, in "The Shadow Over Innsmouth", while the Dagon cult is brought to Innsmouth from a Polynesian island, those islanders and their practices were viewed with horror even by other Polynesians. "Dark superstitions of this sort mostly survive only among non-WASP groups" could still maybe be considered kinda racist, but it's a far cry from the way Lovecraft is usually presented.
One of Lovecraft's personal characteristics that's often overlooked in contemporary discussions in favor of focusing on his racism is that he was a materialist atheist. This is the part of his identity and worldview that the horror seems to draw on most, from what I can tell. On the one hand, you have the nihilistic elements of humanity's profound insignificance, a direct conclusion one could draw from materialist atheism that's inherently ripe with potential for horror. And on the other hand, you have the prospect of the bedrock of a materialist atheist worldview -- ie, the rational scientific study of the world -- being rocked to its core by unspeakable revelations that call everything once thought to be known into question. I suspect Lovecraft was likely influenced by the fact that he lived during a period of major upheaval in the sciences. The neat, predictable, and well-understood Newtonian model of physics was being overturned by the introduction of relativity and quantum mechanics, which we take for granted today but at the time were quite controversial and revolutionary. Lovecraft might not have been much of a man of science, but it's likely that he heard of the confusion and heated debates rocking the foundations of science and felt some fear that the scientific worldview he lived by might be shattered any day now by these strange and unintuitive discoveries.
"The Color Out of Space" is actually a good example of this dynamic: Sure, the notion of a "color unlike any before seen on earth" is bizarre and sounds kind of silly if you're looking at it from a dogmatic scientific perspective. But *that's the point* -- it's a challenge to scientific dogmas! Our scientific model of the universe suggests that such a thing should not be possible, and yet here it is, appearing in this random New England farm. If we actually did find a meteorite that produced such a completely new color, even setting aside its other strange and frightening properties, it would present a serious challenge to our understanding of the basic physics of light and vision. Either it's some other wavelength outside the visible spectrum that somehow alters our eyes to be able to see it when ordinarily we can't (but how?!), or it's something beyond the scope of normal electromagnetic spectrum theory that would demand radical upheavals to our basic understanding of physics to accomodate. Sure, there are those of a more scientifically curious bent who would find such a prospect exciting. But to someone like Lovecraft -- who's not particularly curious, definitely neurotic, and yet still doggedly devoted to science (or perhaps, The Science) as the foundation of his entire worldview -- it raises the frightening question, "What other long-settled scientific principles might we be wrong about? And what dreadful possibilities we think such principles rule out could be raised again by their undoing?"
The Color out of Space actually got a Nickolas Cage movie heavily based on the original story in 2019. It was an absolute fever dream
If no one else has (but im sure someone has) there is a great nic cage movie about the color out of space.
Oh, Lord Nuxalore…I have something you might wanna do video on…and it’s five oh-so important words:
Mystery
Flesh
Pit
National
Park!
DID SOMEONE SAY *ELDRITCH HORROR NOISES*
PRAISE THE OLD MAD GOD!!
I see The Mad Arab Abdul Al Hazred has visited you too.
Color out of space was made into a move, not jus any movie but a Nicholas Cage movie
My sister and I saw something incomprehensible in a forest once. You'd be surprised how well the mind actually deals with it. Your brain will rapidly grasp at explanations for what you are seeing but in the end you just don't know, you only have vagaries of things parts of it almost reminds you of. What we saw was partially obscured by a large old tree in the middle of a campsite clearing... it was a place where you can buy camp sites, but some people buy them and put trailers or even prefabs to live on them, others just use them for RV camping on vacation. So this wasn't someplace remote, there were people around just down the gravel road we were on.
We felt a strange sense of energy in the air and a sense of being watched before we spotted it. At first I thought it was some sort of rusting dirty junk leaned up against the tree, but it looked too top heavy. It had to have been very tall if it was standing on the ground. The more we looked at it and tried to reposition ourselves to see around the tree without getting closer, the weirder it looked... more organic. A chill ran up my spine thinking it could be a rotting corpse of a s***ide victim hanging from the tree, but there was no odor... and then it moved in a way it could only move if it was standing on the ground and ducking behind the tree to not be seen so clearly. Suddenly I had the sense of it indeed having a vaguely humanoid shape and body language, and it was massive. It was blurry in ways... like our minds couldn't interpret the sensory perception of our eyes, struggling to fill in gaps in the info. The colors were browns, tans, beige hints of pink, rust, and red. It was such a surreal experience, and we definitely had the sense that this was paranormal, because if you've felt that electric feeling in the presence of the otherworldly, you JUST KNOW. I felt no hostility or threat from it, so I wanted to get a closer look but my sister begged me not to and I did get a sense that it didn't want me to come closer ether.
This was back when film cameras were only just being phased out in the mainstream, and digital cameras were common and ran on disposable batteries. I had a fairly cheap one with fairly fresh batteries, a good third of the charge left. When I tried to take a photo, the classic thing happened where the camera shut it's self off. I then asked permission to take one photo and my camera turned back on, and I got one staticky looking photo. In the photo, further back in the clearing, there's a bluish apparition of the shape of a person hanging from a noose. It's not gory, it's not super detailed, but you can see the shapes of the head, torso, arms, legs... the pants of the apparition are darker than the shirt... the face can not be seen... the rope has the clear shapes of the knots... it's extremely disturbing. Closer to us, behind the tree directly, there's a bit of distorted outline of a dark shape obscured by the tree, but you can't make out much of the entity we were seeing with the naked eye. I had thanked the spirit for letting me take a photo, and we moved on. The sun was going down, then, so we had to get back to our family's camp site.
Bro look into Osp you’ll probably love them
Nux and OSP colliding?! Oh joyous day!
You really knew how to peak my interest on a Saturday Nux. 🤣
Funny vid overall
18:25 - Cthulhu being the "face" of the Lovecraft Mythos is kinda like Anubis being the "face" of ancient Egyptian Mythology, in the sense that there's much bigger and more terrifying gods around (including but by no means limited to Nyarlathotep for Lovecraft and Sekhmet for ancient Egypt), but the look of this ONE entity in particular is so iconic that everyone thinks of them first.
I love the casual yet devastating roasts based entirely on his name
"That which is unknown and unseen always commands the greatest fear."
Even if it isn't a series per-say, if you wanted to change things up you can look at some of Overlysarcasticproductions other videos like the Epic of Gilgamesh, that one is a RIDE!
I wonder what story we would have gotten if Lovecraft heard the concept of A.i (true A.I)
Fun Fact: the final plot-twist for "Shadow Over Innsmouth" was based on how H.P. Lovecraft learned that he was actually part Welsh after doing some in-depth studying of his family's genealogy. I'm not kidding.
Nux: if its flesh and not human keep it away from me
rando: *presents duck*
There is an abridged version of Call of Cthulhu that’s written and illustrated in the style of Dr Seuss and it’s amazing.
My favorite Lovecraft story is The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath. It's novel length and has all the trippy horror stuff you'd expect from Lovecraft, but it follows one man on his quest through the dream world. He actually escapes/overcomes the obstacles before him, learns a valuable lesson, and it actually has a happy ending.
I love the dunwich horror and at the mountains of madness
Nux should check out the Mound. Its crazy it was not included in the lore dive. The underground civilization as well me literal Dark Eldar from 40k, gate to the webway included.