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Elden Ring Shadow of the Erdtree DLC LORE Story Explained Backstory Radahn Stars Starscourge Miquella Promised Consort Why Radahn Refused to Die Stay Alive Fight Caelid Malenia Shattering Age of Compassion Remembrance Cutscene Story Trailer Festival
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This is the first lore video I've ever made, so first, thank you for stopping by, and second, what do you think the truth is behind the vow between Miquella and Radahn?
Why Does Miquella Have 4 Arms? - ua-cam.com/video/p5p9ZrWecpI/v-deo.html
Side Note: The stars falling cutscene STILL bugs after all this time, how do people record that!
how is it bug and what is the bug
@@deathknight3252 the frames completely drop in the middle of it, one of the only places in all of the base game I experience that
I think he either backed down or Miquella made sort of a "child's promise" with radahn.. like a little sister asking her older brother if he'll marry her when they grow up or sth like that, but Miquella being a perennial child due to his curse, never understood it as not being real, so he had to try and force radahn down this path by sending malenia
@@Morden97 A good interpretation considering Miquella set his eyes on Radahn from a very young age. This would point to it being a mad obsession by Miquella without reciprocation from Radahn.
Miquella's "masterplan" also failed entirely. Radahn and Mohg are both alive and there's no reason to suspect they would both die anytime soon. Somehow a Tarnished pops up and kills them. The stars aligned for Miquella despite all of his ambitions failing over and over and over again.
I think Radhan was in on it, but they have to look like they disagree, because they're playing chess against an Outer God, so they have to look like theyre disagreeing in order to keep up appearances, since theyre trying to usurp the Greater Will entirely. Melania makes a big show of marching to Calid, tries to down Radhan in battle, because that's the only way to see the guiding lights of the one ghost tree. He even got his funny dressed bro to make sure he died in battle.
"If I lose to the rot, I'm gay." - *Starscourge Radahn.*
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"Marry my brother." - Malenia, Fujoshi (Rotten Woman) of Miquella
"But I'm not gay...?" - Radahn
"Not yet, here's a little brainrot" - Malenia, proceeds to "bloom" violently by the sheer wish to make Radahn gay that she gave birth later to Millicent
And he didnt. He died to uss so he had to be brainwashed xD
@prankovalero
Miquella: oh noooo I'm stuck! Help me stepbro [Miquella sticking his lower half out of the haligtree]
Radahn: ...
Miquella: Malenia, nuke Caelid
Malenia: u got it bossman
it's interesting how Miquella is almost the perfect opposite to Ranni. Ranni is seen as sneaky and shady and openly admits to doing bad things but wants to bring forth an age where people have free will. Miquella however is seeing as "kind" and hides any darkness to come across as this perfect entity while also wanting to take away everyones free will
Also i do wonder if malenia was being controlled by Miquella as well
@@tdmrebel9818 she did call him the most fear demigod or someone calll him that i might be mis remember thing
I think best evidence she’s being controlled too is the simple fact she let the rot blossom if it wasn’t for finley she’d be dead af
It's quite interesting that everyone that we meet just glazes Miquella so much. The only person to not glaze him is St Trina, who is Miquellas other half.
@@froggie610 And Ansbach.
I'm beginning to think the Festival itself was never Radahn's will, but Jerren's misguided understanding of an old promise of honorable death. After he was infected with the rot and went partly mad, radahn wasn't able to communicate that he couldn't be allowed to die. I think his sustaining himself on the bodies of the cleanrots, his holding back the stars, his protection of Leonard, and how hard he fights are all the last shreds of his lucidity.
Isn't that in the cutscene that plays before the Radahn fight?
I thought Jerren straight up said that the festival/fight was his plan in hopes to finally put Radahn out of his misery, given that he was suffer from Scarlett Rot.
@@TheiTzCynical Jerren didn't know that Radahn was staying alive to avoid being Miquella's slave
This is all bullshit miyazaki came up with afterwards.
@@zaxmaxlax how a lot of things in the base game hint at dlc events
Serious q, do you rap or make music at all? You speak with natural rhythm that sounds like battle rap lol
She literally gave the dude brain cancer to try and beat him and he still stood tall. I don't care what no one says dude is the strongest.
Radahn is my President
No doubt, that is a fact. Stopping stellar objects, who travel atleast the speed of sound and can have the weight of mountains, with only your mind. Is overpowered.
I am sure if radahn wanted, or if he was capable of harnessing his whole power. He could just crush all of his opponent, into a state that could be considered "nonexistent" or dust.
Radahn was a god or atleast godlike, already.
Nah, Framescourge Fraudahn is a bum that hasn’t won a single fight. Topped by MorGOAT, defeeted by Malenia, and got his ass handed to him by the Tarnished, twice. Biggest jobber in the entire game.
@@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64 Nice try hes the GOAT lol. Morgott beat a younger smaller weaker radahn. Dang morgott really sounds like a goat there huh? Malenia was getting her ass kicked and tried to nuke him and a continent just to win and she still lost. Malenia blade of frauds. MC beats everything including MorFRAUD twice. Biggest CHAD in the entire game
@@namelessvoid9725 A younger Radahn that had centuries of training and combat experience getting pinned by the dude that spent his entire his life in a concentration camp. The “mightiest” demigod at his prime that was evenly matched by a blind triple amputee and was left a shambling mess after Malenia decided to kick it up a notch. And MorGOAT wasn’t a one and done. He wasn’t even two and done. He could’ve faced off against the Tarnished three times before being beaten. Cope all you want, Fraudahn is the biggest bum in the game.
I would have healed Lennard and brought him with me to break Miquellas spell on Radahn.His love for the horse outweighs everything.
In your timeline...
Miquella: Oh my dear consort Radahn, destroy that tarnished and the horse.
Radahn: Oh naw you ain't making me hurt Leonard.
*cut to Radahn turning Miquella into a past-tense*
FromSoft, show me the barely alive Leonard after the festival and I will toss down 10 warming stones and a little golden Erdtree to boot.
Intressting thing is i think Radahn was about to break free from Miquellas controol in his 2nd phase cutscene . Because red energy cane of frof him but when Miquella joins the fight in the cutscene the red energy change colors as if Miquella tried to strenght his controol over Radahn
@@timomeyer6838I figured the same, but then I have to wonder what the heck would've come from that red energy
@@kingkh001mohg’s body
Someone in another comment section mentioned that Radahn making his death synonymous with the Stars' invasion was his last line of defiance against Miquella's scheme. He made it impossible without having to kill him first, thus securing the path for the strongest Empyrean competitor, Ranni.
Sounds interesting, but one problem with that is by Radahn holding the stars, he also held back Ranni's plan, requiring him to be killed for her Age as well
@@headcrabking9054 But it would mean that should he die, Miquella would then be directly competing with Ranni, who likely would be far harder to charm and who also had access to the means to kill a god. This might explain why Radahn's portrait hangs in Volcano Manor, where it should be noted that Rykard and his allies despise not just the Erdtree, but seemingly the gods themselves. Also, there's the fact that Jerren states that Iji made the weapons for the Redmanes, and further mentions the fact that a successful festival would allow Ranni's destiny to go forward.
I think radahn held the stars to say, well if you want to achieve anything guys, try to kill me first noobs
@@headcrabking9054 you need to work on your reading comprehension
@@headcrabking9054I don't think stopping Ranni was ever a major concern for Radahn, its not just Ranni's fate who's put in stasis but Radahn's own too, he is still a royal of house caria, and if their fates are sealed in the stars, his was too sealed when he tethered them. And I think it was his own fate he wanted to put into stasis, so that he wouldn't become Miquella's consort without there being someone who could defeat him.
so we basically handed radahn's ass to miquella 😂
no wonder dude hates us in the DLC
We deserve it. 😅
//Funny Thing he did activated him Old Great Rune to kick us butt before Miquella the Tickla come out and say "let do it my way" then upon on his back before try place a charm on we😖
Not exactly that aint radahn anymore we cnat forget miqula can manipulate others minds so radahn is still there but brainwashed
Radahn doesn’t hate us. His soul is back, but there’s no indication he has any ill will towards us beyond what Miquella’s brainwashing has caused. If Miquella manages to convert your character in the fight, Radahn is perfectly happy to step back and let you join them.
@@ZZMonkeysUncleZZugh god.. now I feel like a villain for delivering his cheeks on a silver platter
I got a big Isshin vibe from Radahn. If he is lucid, he probably respects us as a warrior and is gratefull for the festival fight. But allas, circumstances force him to fight us again, and brainwashed or not i feel like he really gives 120% because its US he's fighting in particular
It could also be that Radahn did not make a promise to Miquella himself, but to St Trina instead. And as St Trina stated, godhood is a prison and Radahn went back on his word because of St Trina. To prevent them from going through a path they cannot return from.
@@igot2remember f*ck that’s a good take. Jotted that one down
@@PurgeEvilTV Thanks
Edit: It too, also align more with his character as caring for those close to him.
Edit 2: More evidence, other then his horse, of Radahn caring for those close to him? Jeren the witch hunter was Radahn faithful loyal friend who held the festival to bring him a honorable death. Base on his word when siding with him on Sellen questline.
"My thanks, for the aid given. I heard from Iji that Lady Ranni might have found herself a champion. But I didn't know he was talking about you. You've helped me fulfil an old promise. This is the least I can do for you. Please, take it."
When he went to protect Renala from Sellen taking over Caria, could this old promise be from Radahn to protect his mom?
Edit 3: Is the Putrescent Knight (And horse) gaurding St Trina Leonard? Could be Leonard form after arriving in the land of shadow. Purtrid, also mean something rotting. Maybe the physical scarlet rot ridden body of Radahn? Putrescent Knight missing his feet like Radahn real body.
Gwyn damn, the radahn was our bretheren all along! What a chad (i,m st.trina,s simp)
Radahn does look like a dude who love talking flower.
I thought Radahn made the promise when he was a young kid like how cousins would do when they’re young. Miquella just took it seriously
One thing that struck me is that Ans(Chads)bach mentioned that after breaking free from Miquella’s control, he wished to run as far away as possible from the Empyrean. We find Radahn literally just about as far away as you can get from the Haligtree walking distance wise.
I think Miquella forced him to take the vow by brainwashing him during Miquella's childhood and Radahn broke the enchantment at some point later, I believe this happened during the shattering
@@davisiotta489 if he was enchanted there's literally no point in getting him to promise. Also he didn't even get that ability until he got his great rune. We know know it came from that because we use it to counter it.
@@skyman322 I think this falls apart since Miquella still maintains this ability even without the great rune, the same happened with Godrick, a good part of us thought that the graft power came from the great rune but DLC came and we discovered that this is actually it is an inherent power of his due to his shaman blood due to being a descendant of Marika, the great rune is certainly another increase in this power that he already had (Miquella probably cannot keep so many people under the enchantment without the great rune) Miquella learned to compel affection and although there is no indication of when he learned this skill it is said that he LEARNED it so this doesn't seem to be something he exactly received from a great rune for example although I may just be overthinking about it
@@davisiotta489 bro he got it back because he became a god. Also the fact him discarding the rune broke all his enchaments.
@@skyman322 he had his power to compel before the shattering, which when he obtained his great rune.
Crazy little theory: What if Radahn was actually already under Miquella’s spell when making that vow? It seems very out of character, for someone O so often depicted as a prideful warrior, to go back on his word. I actually think Radahn broke free of Miquella’s control over him by accident.
Him halting the movement of the stars, which he did to protect the Lands Between (more so the town of Sellia) from the cosmic horrors that once destroyed the civilizations below, caused the fate of all Carians to be halted as well, his own included, which entailed becoming the Consort of Miquella. His victory over the stars suddenly broke him out of a (presumably) century long (maybe even more) mind control, that he had not known off before.
I think it was then Radahn distanced himself from Miquella, casting aside his old swords, and taking residency in Caelid, close to his beloved town of Sellia, where he erected Redmane Castle as a permanent seat. Quite far from all his next of kin, who‘d reside either in the Manor, or on Mt. Gelmir, just north of the Manor, but all things considered, the almost exact opposite end of where Miquella resides.
I actually also believe the shattering came very conveniently for Miquella, as he could use the chaos as cover, to send Malenia with the forces of the Haligtree into Caelid, to enact his now newly formed plan of reclaiming Radahn. Him breaking free of Miquella’s control must’ve been quite the shock for Miquella too, all things considered. The mask of “Kindly“ Miquella really only started breaking when for once in (probably) his entire life, he realized he wouldn’t get what he wanted, and was now totally fine with the destruction of an entire continent, and the total use and manipulation of nearly all family members he comes into contact with.
I read this as Radahn didn't want to play and Miquella threw the mother of all temper tantrums.
i'm not sure that radahn made a vow to miquella. In the final cutscene miquella is talking to no one, he is completly megalomaniac that do anything to justified his choices.
I agree, I only see Radahn willingly agreeing to this for one reason, and that's that Miquella was loyal to the golden order when he was young, before he realized it couldn't cure Malenia. I think that back then, Radahn vowed to be Miquella's consort for the golden order, but things changed on both sides when Miquella wanted to make a new order.
@@rodolphofreire8311did it never occur to you that the memory is from the pov of the person miquella is talking to?
@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf Yes, I considered this possibility: that it is a Radhan Memory.
However, I believe that vow never happened. Miquella created that circumstance to justify his choices and ambitions, including telling everyone that he would create an age of compassion, even while discarding his love into the deep abyss.
Miquella: I’ll make youElden lord bother…
Radhan: awesome!, who’s is my god queen?
Miquella: I am
Radian: Hell NO!
Miquella: I wasn't asking....
Radahn: I ain’t gay
@@Funny_Sword_Man Miquella: u are now
Miquella: Come here boy!
Miquella: we can do this the easy way or the hard way. Oh, I see you're choosing the hard way.
for every age of compassion fan. There is a reason why Radahn defied his destiny so desperately, he knows better
CURSE YOU ASPID!!!!!
@@thatlittlemonstrosity Because he is a dishonorable traitor.
@@DoctorPecker
because Miquella is a despicable manipulator, Radahn saw through his plans. You know he is the last person to be dishonourable nor traitor
@@thatlittlemonstrosity A vow is a vow. Breaking a vow to your own sibling is a true sign of weakness.
@@DoctorPecker
a vow of “hey lets take everyone’s freedom of choice” is not a good vow. Miquella just worded it in a way that young Radahn would think “there is nothing but positives, what could go wrong”
lets say what if your brother asked you to “lets make school fun” and then you find out he has two rifles and a plan of your school, as well as a list of names of people he doesn’t like beside it. Would you rather be a coward and call the police or go through with it because you’re no pussy. If you chose the second option, you’re beyond saving, I can’t even believe I have to break it down when this video already told you everything you need to know
Miquella the Molester, Miquella the Tickla, Miquella the fuck-your-consent, I can keep going but our boy Ansbach did tell us: Tickela is a monsta, man was always right.
Say sorry to Mohg right now.
Screw Ansbach and Mohg, if others are Miquella haters, I'm definitely a Mohg hater. His entire personality is wicked blood lust. Never liked him and I don't believe he beat the allegations, two things can be true at the same time. When Ansbach failed to win back Mohg he should have excepted death but he chose to live under Miquella, I see that as merce for that nasty devil.
The charm, is not "fully", and there is no reason to assume it is forever. It can be a temporary means to an end. A means with less blood shed. He could lift the charm after establishing his reign. My point is we don't know what he'll do, but most Miquella haters assume only negative things will happen and don't leave room for good/better possibilities.
Also, a few characters have rejected Miquella [Ranni, Mesmer, Frenzy] but most have little reason to reject his peace in this hellish realm. Those with his charm are not mindless zombies, they retain there core personalities. We don't know what will come of them but I would take that chance over the other options.
@@crew_the3rd yaah that is nice and all except that we know that: shattering lasted for 5000 years. Anshbac and Mohg were under miquellas influence before shattering. Mohg was till he died and Anshbac till miquella abbandoned her great rune to the scadutree.
So everything you said becomes pointless headcanon as the game quite literally says you are wrong face first.
Luminary mohg became lord of blood mohg only after miquella charmed him.
So the dynasty of mohgwyn is all Miquellas creation and he was in fact protector of weak and inspirer of good as implied by his original title.
And we know mohg only gathered blood for Miquella's cocoon too. All the other blood comes from his lunatic following made out of tarnished.
@@reigoj8228 there is literally nothing to suggest that miquella charmed mohg before the shattering, on top of all of that say that mohg was charmed before how does that make a difference? none of the others he charmed went out of their way to kidnap miquella at all, miquella's charm only does so much to affect one's actions.
mohg was listening to the instructions of the formless mother and saw miquella as a means to an end by making him a god he could carry out the formless mother's wishes for an age of blood and the mohgwyn dynasty. so could miquella have charmed him before? sure. could he have charmed him after he was kidnapped? sure. the end result is still the same, mohg wasn't acting for miquella's best interests, he was carrying out his own and the formless mother's.
miquella just so happened to get what he wanted when kidnapped. also hope you realise blaming miquella for everything bad about mohg takes away his agency and reduces his character to just miquella, despite ansbach being an example that he started his dynasty before miquella.
@@lemon_boi305 Everything points at before shattering mohg being charmed.
From Morgott not calling him out as wilful traitor like the rest, including Miquella and Malenia.
The fact that every item and description and discussion about miquella talks about powers to charm.
That he is most fearsome of the empyreans.
That bloodknight Anshbac, one of the first tarnished alongside ofnir both elude to the fact that Mohg was different person before Miquellas charm. "So called lord of blood" tells us that he became that only after shattering and even Ofnir didn't know who that was.
The fact that Anshbac fought with Miquella in order to be charmed and Mohg being charmed was the reason he fought.
The fact that Mohg was loyal to golden order to a point he worked with his brother to contain the Omens and Frenzied flame (And yyes, it is Mohg you fight before three fingers, a clone of him just like Morgott makes clones of himself)
Both Morgott and Mohg use bloodflame. Both are joined in mother of truth.
People who want to believe miquella, the literal devil of manipulation and personal greed and selfishness, is the good one, just could say that they never read any item descriptions.
@@reigoj8228 mohg was an omen so him or morgott being counted as part of the court doesn't make sense. morgott had to operate in secret just so people didn't know he was the one ruling leyndell.
i always took mohg being in leyndell as being some kind of apparition like what morgott does throughout the game, when you fell him instead of the normal particle effects you see golden particles when he fades away. this confirms to me at least that its some golden order incantation, which as far as i know mohg isn't known to use that, morgott is though. i just chalk this up to morgott using an apparition of mohg and his power to protect the entrance to the three fingers.
either way you misunderstand what i mean, obviously mohg was an alright person to garner the following that he did, his vision was similar to miquella's in building a place where those rejected by grace could live. and don't forget that the great runes tainted the minds of the demigods so that could also explain things. one major thing that does lend credit to mohg acting out of his own self interest and volition is that he kidnapped miquella while in the process of growing the haligtree, something which would solve a lot of miquella's problems and something which i doubt miquella wanted to be interrupted if he really was responsible for mohg's actions. and don't forget mohg still serves an outer god, him kidnapping miquella and attempting to make him a god would work out in mohg and the formless mother's own favour as they'd be able to bring about the age of the mohgwyn dynasty. what happened was purely a consequence of mohg's own actions. mohg is not without his own ambitions
if miquella really wanted to use mohg that badly he would've sent out melania to bring him down. heck if he really charmed mohg before that it wouldn't make much sense for mohg to kidnap him since miquella would've been able to convince him to give up his body so that radahn could be revived. i honestly believe that the oracle envoys being at the haligtree also could've been to signify miquella himself would've awakened as a god and not just foreshadowing for melania's own ascension, but unlike hers, miquella's was interrupted by mohg. based off of the ranni ending and melania's scarlet aenoia, we can surmise there's most likely more than one way for an empyrean to become a god. then there's mohg's method which I'm assuming would've caused an awakening similar to the lord of frezied flame and scarlet aenoia.
the haligtree could've been how miquella planned to ascend, cure melania and bring grace to the haligtree denizens. what most likely happened is that after his haligtree plan fell apart he most likely just devised a plan to ascend like his mother and use mohg's body to enter the lands of shadow and bring back radahn, maybe he always planned to kill mohg at some point but who knows how things would've gone if he completed the haligtree and managed to cause the eclipse. i honestly think the inconsistencies just come from a lack of foresight from the devs, unfortunately just because of how many questions this raises. miquella is a devil but so is everyone else in the story to some degree, the player character included, i just don't think he was as bad as most think.
I think the “endless battle” promised Radahn was against any Tarnished who would try to challenge Miquella’s rule. Since the Tarnished can’t die, and many of them would continue to fight for free will, Radahn would have an eternity of battles to fight.
But if the tarnished has killed malikeith then the rune of death is unleashed, and radahn could actually die, and he would die, eventually.
The time when the promise was made was way before tarnished were a thing.
And if miquella became a god. Its implied that he would just take free will off away from everybody. The tarnished aren't immune to it as shown by the heart stolen ending
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 The tarnished were always a thing. But I agree, they wouldn't have been immune to his charms.
@@tiacool7978 godfrey was the first tarnished. And they came to be way after a whole bunch of stuff had happened. They didn't always exist.
Except the only immortal, endless Tarnished is the one-and-only-player character in-universe.
All other Tarnished named in the intro, and throughout the game, perish permanently when their non-invader, true selves are killed. I think some die after being killed a second time, but I can’t remember any off the top of my head who don’t die after being killed once.
Key point: Radahn would never be a pawn under the control of that crazy Femboy, because he knows he would not be with his boi Leonard.
"Homies over ho3s"- Radahn
@@k.luison7968 Bros over hoe-bros.
One small thing that I'd like to argue against, my theory is that Radahn actually does NOT care about the Golden Order. There was another youtuber (sorry forgot her name) pointing out how important figures in the Golden Order all have braids, and all their followers also adorn one. This goes all the way down to Young Radahn, who adorned twin braids on the sides and a big one at the back. The twin braids represents Marika (Golden Order he follows) and Radagon (his father, and one of the person he looked up to). However, on Starscourge Radahn's helmet, we can see that he has lost his braided hairs, all of them. He still adorned Radagon's hair, which meant he still respected his father, but he lost all the braids, which implied he had lost his beliefs in the Golden Order. This leads me to believe that, at some point during the Shattering, he had found out something about the Golden Order and decided to not follow it anymore, abandoned it and cut his braids.
Personally, I think it started when Marika banished Godfrey to become Tarnished. I think this because Godfrey is the other person that Radahn looked up to as he grew up and train himself to become the strongest person that he was, and he disagreed with the decision Marika made to banish Godfrey. This is evidenced by the fact that Radahn cut his braids, but still wears his armor that has lion symbols all over it, as lion is Godfrey's symbol (along with Serosh).
Good write up and I can agree that there is merit to him disavowing the Golden Order. At the very least, as you stated and is implied by his armour, he still respects Godfrey and Radagon so there is that, if not the rest of the Golden Order
@@PurgeEvilTV Morgott also calls Radahn a golden order's traitor
If anything I think he went back on his promise because of pride, and the Shattering (getting a great rune) certainly didn't help. I mean, he invaded Leyndell, I'm sure what he wanted was to establish HIS order on HIS terms (aka by conquest), instead of letting a femboy and his super-cancer diseased sister kill him to make him a king consort.
Perhaps the ones who Taught him Gravitational Magic also taught him some form of hardening skin, which is why he's more Purple when you fight him at the festival, Older him is more experienced in Gravitational Magic, Therefore maybe he sort of cast a Resistance against the Rot, Slowing it down rapidly, like having Cancer and waiting for the Inevitable, It at least helped him focus enough to hold the stars back
Given that his teachers were Alabastor Lords, known for their onyx stone skin, the purple coloration is possibly because his skin was turning into stone as by product of using gravity magic. Much like how glintstone soceries can cause said stones to grow from the person's body if overused.
His great rune is what is holding the rot back. It literally burns up to halt the encroachment of the rot as the description says.
@gsheetgsheet9491 oh that's cool. Didn't read it before
we have cleanrot knights and commander O'Neil still running around so I don't think your skin theory holds much credit. I think it likely boils down to will power and just plain being to stubborn to die
I think it's more because his skin was getting charred by the great rune trying to protect him from the rot. Remember his great rune description specifically stated that was burning, to hold off the rot
Malenia being under his charm and forced to release the rot could be why she keeps repeating that shes miquellas blade, kinda like a self hypnosis to justify what happened. Could also explain why she seems off, somewhat demented, being forced to do something she absolutely hated by the person she loved most could have broken her mind
She is absolutely one of Miquella's most tortured victims
@@PurgeEvilTV yeah something I felt is really weird is that miquellas needle is capable of freeing the tarnished from the frenzy flame which in my opinion is way stronger then the rot. So i always wondered how it is possible that the needle can get rid of the frenzy flame but not the rot. Feels like he left malenia like that so that she would keep fighting for him
@@ghostly_number to add onto that, there are the anti-rot bolluses that can help deal with scarlet rot. Why would Miquella not use those as well as the needle unless he wanted Malenia to keep the scarlet rot for his plan, and didn't care what happened after to her
@@ghostly_number Yeah but this only works when brought to placidusaxes arena, which is a special place, whose to say it wouldnt be able to cure malenias rot if they made it there
@@ghostly_number the only place where you can use the needle is in the arena where Placidusax resides, a place out of time.
This is another youtuber theory, but the last element to make unalloyed gold to work is outside time.
I suspect Radahn never made a vow to Miquella because there's not a single line confirming that he ever did. The other two possibilities are that Radahn's vow was a lie or as you said he didn't like the consequences and changed his mind.
These are the only possibilities because else Malenia wouldn't have a reason to attack him. Further evidence is the fact that she unleashed the Scarlet Rot - which she would never do under any circumstances - indicating that she was under Miquella's spell.
The whole vow between miquella and radahn to me seems so clearly parasocial, the game strongly implies radahn wasn't even present when miquella made his vow, you would think that miquellas memory would show any semblance of radahn at all, but his presence is not felt in the memory whatsoever, as if miquella made his vow to the air, alone
Fraya says it's a vow made "with radahn" not "to radahn." Sao there literally a line in game that says he agreed.
@@skyman322 Freyja is a bit of an unreliable narrator, she supports Miquella because "war has always suited General Radahn best." despite what the other Redmanes would think, even stating that it would "pain old Jerren." She's projecting her own beliefs onto Radahn, not taking into consideration as to what he'd actually desire.
@@totalkhaos189 she didnt even know what the vow was at the time. and again he is "the promised consort" and we get a cutscene of miquella asking him to promise him to be his lord. the only person that can make that promise is radahn. its some of the most clear cut lore we have ever been given
@@skyman322he was alone during cutscene
none of these lore videos mention Castle Sols failed eclipse. Who of the demigods can sabotage an eclipse?
Who
@@kerroseir4764 A man who can hold the stars movements.
@@mateusfolletto6142 oh yeahhhh. The sun is a star
Worth noting people can confuse love for ownership or possession. Miquella may even see his possessiveness as a form of love and his control as compassion, he probably does love his sister just as long as she is his to control.
I am glad that I am not only one to remember that Radahn belonged to Carian Royal Family, and if Ranni's fate were stopped due to him stopping the stars, his fate was stopped too.
And about the Radahn's side of vow. I am pretty sure that there was a vow but that vow was carried out in some strange way, as if Miquella used some loophole.
People say Radahn escaped the mind control most likely due to morgott and in his last moments he made a way to stop his fate but in contrast he also stopped rannis and rykards who both now waited for his natural end not knowing what terrible fate awaited him due to the timing of it all
Everyone's fate was stopped by the halting of the stars. The "stars" are just outer gods and other entities like the fingers and elden beast. Like Swordmaster Onze's lore says, "following the path of the stars would lead to ruin"
Simple. Radahn ain't no Simp. There, I saved you from 9 minutes & 15 Seconds.
Another theory of why he's holding back the stars is that currently in the lands between there is an alien invasion by those named "fallingstar" wich is a line of bosses that slowly develop from a "cacoon" that are the fallingstar beasts into a "butterfly" that is the likes of Astel. And Radahn Knowing all this information refused to let them in in mass, just imagine an infestation of astels thorught the land, goddam. He is such a chad, i'm glad we put him down in the dlc because I know for a fact my boy ain't concenting nor willing in being a consort, although it makes me sad too, imagine just liberating him from Miquella's control.
If you play shadow of the erdtree you’d realize the two fingers are aliens and thus Radahn stopped a second 2 finger entity from arriving
So yeah you right
I think Radahn did make a vow, but not in the way we think, it might have been worded as this:
"Miquella, the only way ill ever consider beign your consort is dead, this i vow."
Miquella beign a child, body and mind, took it literally, and sent Melania with the mission to kill him at all cost. This is why Miquella says "If we complete our part of the vow (reffering to Melania and Miquella) then promise me you will be my consort, ill make the world a gentler place.
Radahn: "Over my dead body!"
Miquella: "... Ok. ;)."
Miquella is only a child in body not mind. The vow he made with Radahn could've been to help him get into contact with those elf-like gravity magic users. Radahn could've lied and once he went back on that vow, Miquella sent Malenia to force him to become Elden Lord.
maybe ties in with godwyn
Golden epitah sword says little boy refers to prince of death the same way as in the video after we kill promised consort radahn. "lord brother" they're part was likely charming the dragons which was a threat to Lindell at the time. Than before godwyn could pull a switcheroo he got Merced by ranni and friends.
They couldn't bring him back to life cause was technically not dead so they had to find another candidate. Likely miquella charmed malenia to kill radahn as another promised consort. Adderall miquella liked him because he was the next "strong and kind" demi-god around.
She probably knew it would take her rot powers to do it, so maybe she trusted miquella to carry out the rest of the plan and him promise her she would do it vice versa. So it's promised consort radahn. I always found it odd miquella would care ab his brother and ask him to die a true death. The sword is effective for those who live in death.
Almost like we'll we have this but can't do anything ab godwyns state. We're moving on to the next person
@@PettyCrow-n9c That doesn't even make sense. Radahn had better ties to Selia than Miquella did. He was a direct son of Caria's queen Renalla.
Miquela: "Be my consort!"
Radahn: "Sounds gay. Hard pass."
Malenia : "We can do this the easy way or the hard way"
@@nk30020radahn:no
I really with Fromsoft would've used a different word. The amount of people who misunderstand what a consort is in this context is staggering...the game is using the old definition which isn't "husband/wife" but "associate" like two people who own a business. Miquella didn't want to bang Radahn, his "love" was left with St. Trina for a reason. Miquella just wanted Radahn to be his Elden Lord because in order to become a god, you have to completely divest yourself of everything, including your strength. That's why Marika needed Godfrey and Radagon.
@@PettyCrow-n9c And then along come Marika and Ranni to further muddy the waters, Marika having married Godfrey and then Radagon, and in becoming Ranni's consort the player tarnished quite literally puts the ring on her finger and marries her.
@@PettyCrow-n9c Dude, every single other use for consort is using the definition as seen with British nobility:
One of non-noble birth who marries royalty.
Dude literally restrained celestial body’s so miquella couldn’t restrain his. Radahn didn’t consent to shit.
Need to get Chris Hanson in the lands between
Chris went after child molesters, not molesters who were children.
Radahn went thru all that and has to deal with the scarlet rot when this whole time he coulda just used flame cleanse me
Bruh 💀💀
That's the thing, I think radahn *DIDN'T* ever promise himself to miquella (at least, not truly 'willingly'). Miquella charmed and manipulated EVERYONE, including Melania, his own sister he was desperate to "save" then abandoned; Mohg, whom was under miquella's charm when he stole the egg from Malenia's arena; even potentially the albinaurics and misbegotten he claimed to care for!
miquella the nascent little shit threw such a big fit over his half brother denying his offer for consort, he sent his dying sister to nuke radahn's entire continent with rot, then abandoned her for his *OTHER* half-brother, whom was being manipulated purely for his body to be taken and reforged into a prison cell for miquella's crush.
makes me glad to pick up all his pieces in sote because when i finally finish the dlc, I'm chucking them all into the sea.
I want to argue, I've never seen any evidence that Malenia was sent to use her Scarlet Rot.
What I see is Malenia was sent to kill Radahn, found she could not do it on her own, and resorted by her own will to use the Scarlet Rot in her desperate bid to accomplish her brother's goal. Never once is it said Miquella wanted her to rot Caelid.
@@jessicaberry5596 That does seem to be the case. It is mentioned that she had to abandon her pride to meet Radahn's measure, after all. At least now she has a good reason for nuking Caelid other than "wah, I don't wanna lose my undefeated title." And to be fair, it does mean she won the battle with Radahn as she ultimately accomplished her goal, even if it was a pyrrhic victory.
@jessicaberry5596 iirc when Malenia wispers to Radahn said something to the effect of Miquella awaits thee oh promised consort before she gave him the blooming onion treatment in Caelid.
@@delrunplays2903 To that I agree, it makes Malenia a little more sympathetic and tragic. However, I see as a literal last resort. I do not believe for a moment that it was even discussed with Miquella, Malenia just refused to fail her brother, and resorted to killing Radahn whatever means necessary.
@@MarianneMalyj Indeed, I'm confident she would have said similarly if she had bested Radahn by blade rather than by bloom. She only bloomed because it was the only way she could defeat Radahn. Miquella gave her the task of slaying Radahn and entrusted her to see it through. When unable to beat Radahn through her own skills, she decided this was how she could achieve her brother's goal.
I truly believe miquella has no concept of other peoples feelings and simply takes what he can get wether they want to or not
It is stated that he wields love “like a weapon” and his foot soldiers are the only ones in the entire lands between to do suicide tactics
Everyone that meets miquella adores him without question, why would he ever care to love them back when they will do anything he wants without question
I also believe he doesn’t actually love malenia either, as he just lets her wait at the haligtree without telling her anything about his plans in the lands of shadow
He is a completely compassionless being trying to rule an age of compassion
my honest belief is that miquella just simply took radahn as his consort without his prior knowledge, devastating his country and his people in the process
@@thugkermit9999
Yeah he doesn't love his sister he used her to try and kill Radahn because Radahn likely did not share Miquella's vision because he was going to force everyone into submission instead of letting them think for themselves.I don't know if Radahn interacted with Ranni or not but where he sent the stars that fallen could of been his final act of rebellion to Miquella.
You get down to brass tacks, Miquella is just Seluvis, seeing everyone else as mere puppets to be taken and used. Only real difference is Seluvis is actually semi-upfront about being a monster, well Miquella is acting the saint.
Considering how Miquella abandoned the Golden Order because it could not heal Malenia, and how it fails the rest of the people of the world, I believe he cares. He probably cares on a conceptual level, but not a personal level. He doesn't care about your individual feelings, but he does want a better world for you.
@@jessicaberry5596 Cares about jack shit he abandoned the side of him that is capable of loving in St.Trina
@@joshwest9373 Oh he isn't fit to become a God, but I believe in his motives. I believe he wants to make the world a better, gentler place, but isn't suited to achieving that.
Again, you'd have to dispute his efforts to heal and cure Malenia, harbouring the albanorics and misbegotten, and the very reason he abandoned the golden order.
Miyazaki must really like Radahn considering he took the base game’s coolest character and made him even cooler.
Radahn might actually be the biggest Chad in Souls games history.
I really wish that Miquellas great rune wouldve acted like the shackle against Morgott, but against Radahn. Like it briefly stuns him because the charm is broken. But then miquella immediately charms him again and the fight continues like normal.
That would’ve been really cool actually
Imagine a Radahn voiceline of a under winded breath "No..." during a broken charm stun
There is zero chance Radahn wasn't charmed by Miquella into making that promise. I'm gonna bet that Malenia failing and resorting to the Scarlet nuke and turning him into a zombie is what broke him free of it, which is why he so desperately clung to life, even one so base and vile.
Radahn was guarding with his life buried entrance to Nokstella and passage to Prince of Death. Basically, preventing Ranni and Fia to achieve their schemes. Thats why he was so persistent and crazy.
The one person who COULD free him from this predicament and prevent Miquella from using his soul is Maliketh but he probably didn't know about the whole situation.
Redmane Freya knew of the pact.
1. If she knew from radahn, he knew
2. If she learned from miquella (I suspect) radahn didn't consent to the agreement at all.
I think miquela promised to MAKE radahn his consort. Miquella made a vow.
I don't see any explicit statement from radahn ever agreeing or even aknowleding this supposed vow.
I can vow to make renalla my waifu. Doesn't mean she consents or even has to be aware.
I hope I dont sound anti gay or anything. I just don't think radahn agreeing to this adds up with any of his other actions or general personality.
I would even suspect his general response was "wtf? Cus do you want space spiders?" -gets aeonia'd
I'm probably misremembering, but didn't Freya side with Miquella's plan to revive Radahn because she's believes Radahn deserves to live and fight wars as the golden lion? If so, then shouldn't Radahns promise to Jerren to let Radahn die a warriors death be honoured and respected? I felt like Freya only knew of Radahn as a warlord, not as a warlord with a warrior's spirit.
@@sadcat9669 radahn and jerren are old friends so he knows what he want she was just a warrior of redmain he did not know radahn very well except he was a guy who love war
@@KurtacusRex yeah i feel like this happened he just appears and say all these vow to him in his mind ok and wtf he probably say OK? And he took it as a yes that he will be his husband
@@deathknight3252 maybe you're right, they say eternally young is a curse, but i couldn't see why it was a curse in the game or lore. Maybe being eternally young also affects their mental health, making them forever having these childish feelings and thoughts. My most confident evidence would be that every time he tries to do or help something, he gives up. Normally, people would give up if it doesn't work or can't do it. But he does it so many times, even to very important people like Malenia scarlet rot or Godwyn’s true death. Feels like a child playing with his toys, only to throw it away once they don't like to play with it. Who knows, maybe becoming a god gets rid of the curse.
@@sadcat9669 Yeah, she doesnt seem to represent radahns culture that we know from the base game.
Her actions and sudden shift to return to miq strike me as a victim with stokholm running back to her controller because she cant cope with her own descisions, so goes back to her master telling herself its for the best.
Miquella says if I hold up my part of the vow, this means Radahn promised something too. He is the Promised Consort, after all, so i think Radahn's promise to Miquella was to become his Consort, and Miquella's part of the vow was to give Radahn a warrior's death. He failed and the Tarnished succeeded
"Why Radahn did not want to become Miquella's consort?" Cause they're literally siblings LMFAOOO
LOL
Radahn does enjoy battle, but he is also good at heart. He didn’t want the world to be basically mind controlled into following him. Miquella also contradicts himself when he is both bringing about an age of compassion, and needing such a powerful warmonger to be his order’s muscle. Radahn could see this and see that it was full of twisted truths and deceit, and therefore did not want a part of it. Radahn was all about honour and nobility, not manipulation and mind control
Anyone think Radahn is just heterosexual?
@@benclough7784 😂😂
And definitely not a pedophile.
common sense is not a common trait anymore, That was exactly my first thought
That’s what I tried to say to some people but they wanted to bring up the fact that “consort” doesn’t always carry a romantic undertone. The problem is that throughout this entire game, any god/consort relationship had always been romantic (Godfrey/marika, placidusax/his god, etc.) And the description in the remembrance for the final boss on how miquella “decided” radahn would be his king consort clearly has a romantic undertone.
he loves his horse/commet jet bike with legs
Everything about Radahn, from him being a Godfrey fanboy, to halting the movement of the stars, depicts a man who can't let go of the past. A man who resists change. And personally I just don't trust Miquella. I can't knowing he has the power to literally brainwash people and bend them to his will.
eh him halting the stars is more practical than simply his refusal to change. The stars were in the process of invading the lands (falling star beasts, astels, alabaster lords) and Radahn is just protecting his side from an invasion.
@@XShadowzVarcolac I'm not interested in practicality, that's just taking his actions at face value. There is really no greater metaphor for resisting change than stopping the stars and fate itself. And his refusal to abandon his horse.
@@TheLordofChampions that just loyalty and protecting your family and home. Calling it "refusing to change" seems like a very inaccurate and loaded way to frame him.
@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 Sure, believe what you want.
Hear me out, a perfect way to fuck over Miquella and save Radahn. Use Trina's sleeping stuff on him, KO him, then use some gravity magic to drag his ass to Farum Azula. There, get him into the same dimension as the DragonLord, then use Miquella's needle on him to sever his connection with the Rot, curing him. Kick some Dragon ass together, then let him go home to continue doing as he do.
also we know radahn still has some will despite going mad, the fact he kept the stars on hold and hasn't eaten his horse at this point. at the very least even if he did promise willingly to miquella before, its of less priority than those 2 things he's still maintaining, 3rd if you want to count his wanting to keep living even if he has to eat corpses and his body breaking down as another thing.
such a mind blowing story, heart breaking, amazing plot twist, daaaamn, i cant have enough of it
Radahn the kinda dude who said "Silence, boyfu. I do not wish to be horny. I want to be happy." then rode off into the sunset on his pony to suplex the moon.
Fun fact about the name "Leonard", it means "Lion's Strength", Radahn really thinks fondly of his noble steed and even naming him to be his strength
The dude was keeping the universe from expanding powerscale that.
My thoughts exactly
I don’t think Radahn even knew about the plan at all until Malenia cursed him with scarlet rot. Since Miquella was the only one in the cutscene where he made a vow to Radahn. Plus If Radahn had agreed literally no reason to kill him
THIS. THIS. THIS. miquella is a control freak, a nascent cursed child who fails at everything. i dont believe there was a vow at all.
Radahn didn't want no bussy bro💀💀💀💀
I don't think so. I think radahn not saying anything means he wasn't interested in this idea Miquella had and so Miquella force him by bringing him back to life and basically removed his freewill basically showing Miquella is a manipulator and a brainwasher.
There are 2 big indicators that Rhadahn is being controlled
1. He doesn't have his horse. Whish he would never leave
2. His hair is braided most likely by mequella
this.
i’ve got a question that probably has a really simple answer, but how is miquella controlling radahn? we know miquellas great rune got broken so where is the power to controll coming from
presumably once he ascended to godhood - since he only breaks the great rune shortly before becoming one
Since he's a god now, he probably doesn't need a Great Rune to bewitch people anymore, so he must have broke it so no one could use it against him.
He isn't controlling Radahn. Hard for people to admit but in the DLC lore, Radahn is indeed consenting.
Good question, he can indeed still force people to do his bidding, as we can see when he gets his hands on us twice. We can only assume, that him becoming a god gave him the ability to use this power without his great rune.
@@CreativeUsernameEh ño
I think radahn was charmed by miquella, because miquella knew that radahn wouldn’t go back on a promise because he take his honor so seriously. And obviously radahn may have not been aware miquella had this ability, so he wouldn’t realise he had been charmed. I don’t believe that radahn agreed because he wanted to be like Godfrey because miquella literally says to him that he wants to make the world gentler. I think like you said as time went on and radahn got older and wiser he began to resist miquellas influence until finally breaking free, this is where he stops the stars.
Miquellas age of compassion would never have suited radahn, because miquella never truly understood radahn. Miquella saw radahns kindness and strength through the lens of a child, whilst seemingly ignoring his love for war and battle. In my opinion, radahn who was a battle hungry warrior would never have agreed to a gentler more peaceful world unless he was under miquellas influence. It simply doesn’t make sense for him to agree to it of his own free will, the whole gentler place choice of words would have turned him off right there if he was ever on board to begin with.
Radahns stoppage of the stars seemed to be well known among the lands between, and considering this happened before the shattering, it is likely that miquella couldn’t do anything until he had an opportunity as he couldn’t go after another demigod without risking the rest of the lands between going against him.
But when the shattering happened miquella had his opportunity amongst the chaos and set his plan into action. Toward the end of the shattering, miquella likely had a clearer path to radahn, who is as far away as he could get from miquella. So he sent malenia to kill him, as now there would be fewer standing in her way. He then charmed mohg into ‘kidnapping’ him, in order to divest himself of his flesh and enter the realm of shadow, once radahn was dead, miquella could now resurrect him in mohgs already charmed body, and render him completely subservient to him.
I know this is kinda long but elden ring lore is yap.
I've got a theory that Godwyn was the first choice for Miquella and the Night of Black Knives was the other demigods (and maybe even Marika) trying to prevent it. Miquella got the idea of FrankenRadahn after seeing how a demigods' body and soul could be seperated and switched plans.
It's funny how you talk about puppets, because it seems that everyone is some kind of puppet in Elden Ring, even the tarnished is a puppet to what the player wants, and it's like the player is the god above gods in Elden Ring.
This is the only explanation that doesn't ruin Radahn so it's the only one i accept.
Radahn is my President
Chadahn the Mogger of the Stars is no dishonorable simp, that's why.
Finally, a consort Radahn analysis which acknowledged Leonard.
Said the name wrong, though.
Great video! I love your theory that Radahn, despite being afflicted with the scarlet rot, would hold on to his love for the golden order, his redmanes and for Leonard. Something that adds credence to this is the item description of Ekzykes's Decay which reads: "Ekzykes, Dragon Communion Revenger, did not forget his hatred even as he succumbed to the scarlet rot."
I think radahn was in on it. Think about what he got in exchange, a fight with the blade of miquella, and a resurrection in the body of godfrey’s offspring. If he knew this was an option i bet it would be pretty tempting
I'm still in the belief that he never agreed to any of this. We never hear him say a thing and if that was a vow, why isn't he also there or why don't we hear an echo of what he vowed? We know Miquella is a manipulator and will force their will onto you, even if you're fully on board with Miquella's world view. Look at some of the soldiers that snapped out of his mind control. Some started killing, some wanted to run for their life, and some believed in Miquella's view and were still controlled anyways. I bet he even charmed his twin sister. Why does Miquella care for what Radahn's perspective or wants? That gets in the way of his total control world. This really is the most terrifying power. You lose free will for what? Some demigod's twisted view of the world? You're just tools. A means to an end. The path towards hell is paved with good intentions.
fact. thats why saint trina wanted miquella dead. even if he beat the tarnished and became elden god and lord, the greater will wouldve sent another elden beast/star and forced miquella into servitude.
im glad we offed the weirdo!
There's a lot of evidence that suggests that Godwyn was Miquellas original pick for a consort and given his record for making peace with the dragons fits vary well with Miquellas goals. That is until Ranni went and mucked it all up by destroying Godwyns soul
@@LordRazer3 lowkey wish he would have found a way to bring Godwyn back instead of Radahn. But it must’ve been literally impossible with his soul not even existing
There definitely is NOT a lot of evidence. If you read consort radahns remembrance it LITERALLY says miquella chose radahn, while radahn was still young. "In there childhood". Also the fact that miquella made a wish for him to be his consort, not a vow like we see in the final cutscene. This implies that miquella had eyes on radahn for a really long time.
@@PurgeEvilTVWhat do you mean his soul doesn't exist? he died a true death of the soul, he did not take a disintegrating ray to the soul
@@davisiotta489 ? His soul was destroyed. It doesn’t exist anymore
@@PurgeEvilTV There is no description of the entire game saying that his soul was destroyed
"Nah, I'd win."
-Star Scourge Radahn
Here’s something interesting.
When you encounter Leda in the castle before you fight her she says
“Perhaps this is what his eminence or perhaps the erdtree wanted all along”
This tells you that miqualla and the erdtree or perhaps even Marika wanted the tarnished and radahn to clash in the first place so that one could prevail.
miqualla wanted the tarnished to join him as you could tell by the cutscene and how he gave you the spirit calling bell and wolf ashes through ranni and also the fact that he knew that torrent would choose you to begin with.
Both Marika and miqualla wanted this to begin with.
Also I don’t remember correctly but I remember something saying that Marika was the one who set miqualla on his journey which also prove that Marika wanted this.
3:30 HOLY FUCK, yeah, Guts and Griffith, of course. Now all makes more sense lol.
Good video broski stopped playing Elden ring a while ago but still cool to listen to the lore
@@ryhhhhhh7029 appreciate it legend ⚔️
@@PurgeEvilTV no issue mate good vid
I don't think that radahn was holding back the stars but rather calling them to challenge the mighty beings of the cosmos. Hence his weapon skill being named starcaller and his teacher being an Alabaster Lord - a being who is versed in gravity magic pertaining to pulling while onyx lords repel
I feel like this is the only explanation that doesn't ruin all the characters involved. Miquella's plan is still extremely convoluted but whatever
GRRM's writing at its finest
tbh, before i saw Radahn as any old villain, but now, to me he seems like more of a hero, since he wanted to save everything he cared about, and defied Miquella's plan to take away everyone's free will. sure, its a pride related decision for Radahn, but i also think he had some heroism behind it too. he officially has my respect.
Radahn didn't oppose the promise, his opposition was the promise
1. Radahn's side of the promise was to defeat him in battle. So, Miquella sent Melania. Radahn made a similar promise with Jarren.
2. Radahn becoming the consort would be like Valhalla for him, not only giving him another life of conquest for the new epoch, but fitting the same role as his hero, Godfrey.
3. The remembrance brings to note one who could not be influenced by Miquella. It is speaking of Radahn. He WOULD honor the promise.
Everyone who believes the same opinion of the video seems to forget that Radahn is a true warrior, often projecting their morals onto Radahn. Melania used all her power on him, bringing ruin to Caelid, but in contest with Radahn, he would want it no other way. Really take note on Godfrey's influence on Radahn. "A crown warrents strength." Simplify what Radahn wants, and the promise becomes simple as well, and clear. "Kill me in battle, and I will recognize your strength and become your consort."
@@DoubleK0802 Good Shit Man.
yea i dont think radahn ever refused to it. if anything.. oath goes both way, and seeing how honorable radahn is, he's not likely the one who back out of his own words.
Yet people who insist that Radahn wanted this always forget that the reason Miquella wanted him was not only for his strength but his KINDNESS as well. Letting your country get nuked with rot kind of goes against that, I mean he learned gravity magic to save Sellia from a comet and to continue riding his horse, that's the Radahn we are talking about.
It also doesn't make sense why a duel between them wouldn't suffice if he truly appreciated strength instead of a all out war where his country got nuked and in turn caused suffering.
He probably did accept at first but all of his actions after the shattering suggest that he didn't want it by that point. I mean for crying out loud he doesn't even speak after he has been revived, you'd think that he would have something to say, instead Miquella speaks on his behalf.
Also with the whole "Kill me in battle, and I will recognize your strength and become your consort." Malenia doesn't even kill him, we do as the tarnished, and its not like we do this on Miquella's behalf so he doesn't even recognize their strength, so if anything they failed their part of the deal if that's the case.
If that's the case then it seems like it would more likely be a 1v1. it would have been honourable combat instead of a full on war. Personally I think Malenia and the haligtree army where there to act as Miquellas enforcers whereas Radahn wanted no part in the shit his creepy little brother was doing.
Interesting point but on the remembrance front it's definitely 100% referring to us the Tarnished, some people wonder why we don't have the option to ally with Miquella and the incantation answers it "No wonder, as one god, and one king consort, is all the world needs" the game HAS to end with us ascending to Lordship it's the one thing all endings share and the Tickella already has his lord.
In Radahn's family, aka Carian royals, there is a tradition that matriarch gifts a sword to her consort. And it happens before the marriage.
So if Miquella gifted swords to Radahn, it might be as a part of this tradition. He likes starting by cosplaying a golden boy.
Miquella is the best option for the Lands Between. Formsoft characters are never 100% moral, nor innocent, nor perfect. But Miquella is the closest thing to a good ruler that has ever been offered to the Lands Between. His methods are the most reasonable compared to the wrath, hatred, prejudice, and blood lust of all other rulers. Including us, the tarnished, we are the bad guys in this war too, our path would destroy the Lands' only hope for lasting compassionate peace.
Miquella's great rune charm is an overall positive power. The charm helps people let go of the evil within; if someone wanted revenge they can now settle for forgiveness, if someone was prejudice they can now tolerate others, and if someone had lust for blood shed they can now seek love. Miquella brought out the best version of each person, gave them love, and gave them hope.
During our fight we had the power to resist Miquella's charm and so do many other characters like Messmer. There still is a choice to reject Miquella but 99% of people will be more attracted to what he offers than what they currently have, most people will agree with Miquella, because what he offers is valuable to them. Haters try to simply this process to simple brainwashing but it is not that crude nor sinister.
Mohg wanted Miquella to bring the mother of blood dynasty, Miquella offered him something better. To assume that Mohg is innocent of kidnapping Miquella is a not necessarily. Two things can be true, at the same time, with these complex characters. Mohg was all about blood sacrifices so it's possible that he is ok with helping Miquella in this way, to be the vessel of Radahn's spirit, this is not a tragic end.
Radahn was a proud and powerful warrior. By his standards he could not simply die, he had to die in glorious battle. Miquella tried to satisfy this honor by asking Malenia to go to war with Radahn, they were both too powerful for each other, so stalemate persisted until the tarnished rose.
Miquella then sent Melina to persuade a tarnished to help in his plans. Most of the work had been done my Malenia and we come to finish off Radahn in honorable battle.
Long ago Radahn promised to be lord and consort to Miquella. The reign of Miquella has all the good aspects of the Golden Order but with out the shunning of the graceless. Miquella extends grace and blessing to all in the Lands. Radahn would find it easy to support Miquella's Order because it is just a better version of the Golden Order. His loyalty would remain. consistent.
Haters of Miquella will see these events in a sinister filter, this is unreasonable because there is a more honorable way to except what Miquella planned. Each one of these characters have good reasons to give Miquella a chance, the Charm helps but it's a positive help, not sinister.
When Miquella divulged his love, it was specifically his love of self that died. He is still clearly able to love Radahn and showing compassion to an entire kingdom clearly communicates love. Saint Trina seeks to protect Miquella from the bondage of being a deity, that is self-love. Miquella had to let go of what was good for himself to obtain the power to serve everyone in his kingdom. Clearly he has sacrificed just as much as his flowers sacrificed to obtain compassion, leading by example.
My Only problem with this DLC story is the massive plothole right in the middle of it:
If Miquella is able to bring people back from the dead in a new body (which he shouldn't be able to do if we unleashed destined death btw), then why not do so with Malenia to cure her from the rot ? She would retain her abilities as we saw with Radahn, but the rot would remain with her empyrean flesh. And once she's back with all her limbs, she could even finish off Radahn to free the stars and let Miquella become a god.
Why not bring back Malenia? Why not bring back Godwyn? Why, of all people, bring back Radahn in the most contrived and unsupported way possible? Easy: They want to subvert your expectations and fcked up the DLC and had to do a rewrite. There's no lore answer.
Not sure, my best guess is, that he wasn't expecting Malenia to fail her task and now he can't tell her to off herself because he's quite far removed from the haligtree.
Another lore bit I'm chewing on and might be another condemning piece of evidence against Miquella: he was still roaming the lands between freely after Malenia fought Radahn. We know this, because Freya tells us how her scarlet rot affliction got cured by him, which must be been after the battle.
So he left after Malenia was knocked out and brought to the haligtree.
He doesn't care about Melania. All of Melania's actions match the symptoms of those taken in by Miquella's bewitchment.
Because he wasn't gay.
Bisexual confirmed
I think its important to note that miquella was likely praying to godwyn the golden in the cutscene after beating radahn. We cant say for sure but i think him and godwyn were supposed to beGod and King consort originally. Then when bro got massacred the twins moved on to the next most powerful dude. Makes sense cause we kill radahn and his body plus soul go to the shadow lands and hes reanimated. They dont do this with godwyn because his soul is lost and his body is still present as evidenced in base game and dlc after ranni and friends pulled night of black knives.
That why i think youre right in that radahn wanted no part of malenia and miquellas plans. Cause he basically idolizes radagon and godfrey who built the golden order and wouldnt go against it. His castle position is one of the farthest from the haligtree as well .
We kill radahn unaware of what doing so really does which sends his body/soul to the shadow lands where miquellas already doing shiz for his biz.
Golden epitah is my souce
lore reads (paraprase) "O'Lord, lord brother, die a true death" Words spoken from a young boy to the prince. I kind of said it earlier but bro cant link with godwyn if hes not all the way dead. And why pray for someone he cant use or give af about
Thats why i think radahn is adressed as Promised Consort almost as if his plans were foiled for his first one and somone reassured another candidate would be delivered for him.
Dlc ending is trash.
Agreed.....Igon died so I can't make him a true drake warrior
I somewhat agree, you can't just give me a cutscene that explains nothing and let me sit at the gate of divinity... that's just rude.
Thank you so much for making this video. It matches a lot with my own analysis.
There's a lot of lore gaps that ought to be addressed in future DLC, to help clear up any existing ambiguities, e.g. what was the vow, how much of Miquella's charm power was actually involved (people argue about this point a lot), etc.
People like to skip over this clear cut part of the lore: when the Radahn-Miquella-Mohg fusion is defeated, Miquella says in the cutscene:
"Lord Brother, I'm going to be a God. If we honour our part of the vow, promise me you'll be my consort. I'll make the world a gentler place."
Which strongly suggests that the vow was consensual and mutually made.
What would be the point, after all, for vows and promises if Miquella can just force anyone and everyone to do anything he wants?
Potent though it is, I think people tend to overblow Miquella's brainwashing powers, because again, there would be no need for vows and promises if Miquella can just brainwash Radahn into doing anything he wants, *from the start*
My guess is a lot of people reflexively reject this point because they project themselves onto the situation: they can't imagine themselves making a promise to be a consort to another male, so they can't imagine Radahn to do the same.
Some of the discourse would be different if the male Miquella had been female instead, i.e. some people wouldn't be blinding themselves to some of the clear cut parts of the lore.
You said it yourself: it's in the name, "Promised Consort Radahn" meaning Radahn promised himself at some point, where the willingness part is up for debate until the devs themselves add the relevant lore bits.
I completely agree with you that Radahn probably went "Oh no, that's not right" when he found out what an "Age of Compassion" meant. It meant complete peace, i.e. no fights, and it meant global brainwashing and lack of free will.
It also meant Miquella suffering the terrible, awful fate of Godhood ("Godhood is a prison" "Don't let the poor thing turn into a God"), and one of my assumptions is that Radahn had become aware of what Godhood meant at some point.
Being a kindhearted man that he is, it might be that he felt that Miquella did not deserve such a fate, and that could be one of the reasons why he didn't want to fulfill his vow.
bs, this time from fucked up, the lore is a mess
Nah, you're just an idiot 😂
In my head the promise was one sided We dont hear him answering Miquela in the cutscene and in some descriptions it was Miquela that became obseced with him and there is a description saying that at least one was never embraced by miquela I believe it was him.
This would also put into play that the whole fight with Radahn in the DLC he was holding back seeing the tarnished as a last ditch effort to stop Miquella’s plans
I went from thinking radahn was a chad before the dlc, and after the dlc I thought he was kinda fucked in the head like Miquella, and now after watching this video, I now see him as not just a chad, but a gigachad hero.
Radahn actually won in the end.
The Lion of the Battlefield got to have his honorable death in glorioius combat - and then do it again.
The man with the biggest warrior boner in the world, finally faced a challenger that was strong enough to kill him - and then got to have a rematch with `em.
Yes but he still had to use miquellas mane.
I think it’s possible his great rune broke a charm that Miquella didn’t realize he had on Rahdahn. As Rahdahns great rune also resists the rot of Malenia.
So basically Miquella is Diddy but Elden Ring version... got it 😂😂😂
Radahn is wearing black airforce 7/7. 8:19
I think Radahn read the stars, and once he did this, he knew what becoming Elden Lord and a god meant. So, he decided to arrest the stars in the sky which would pretty much stop anyone from being able to actually become a god.
I dont care how confusing the lore is, all i gotta say:
My man Mohg didnt do nothin wrong. He got tricked into it. Him and Radahn were both getting used
I may just be gaslighting myself but on rewatch of many characters (particularly malenias) dialogue. Their words can be very easily twisted to the notion that they are being controlled by miquella in some sense. For example “I am the blade of miquella and I have never know defeat” switches from a sisterly love and care for her brother to a twisted puppet being nudged to protect their puppet master. Malenia also arguable lost her battle against radagon due to the fact she 1) abandoned her pride to bloom and 2) failed to send radahan to the shadow realm according to the plan.
The dream that malenia wakes up from? Was it one forced by St. trina or miquella? That would make sense according to miquellas plan due to the fact malenia would have to be subdued in order for mogh to aquire miquella
I would have to say the one farthest from miquella's grasp is maybe ranni but even then in a meta way ranni's quest line REQUIRES us to at the very least kill radahn and leads us to the eternal city nokron where a tarnished would surely see the Mogh dynasty in the distance where it would usually be in safe in hiding.
@@ivan_d_feets4495 I do fully believe malenia was basically turned into a puppet
@@PurgeEvilTV I was watching VaatiVidya's new scarlet rot Elden ring movie yesterday (Highly recommend if you havent seen it yet) and the malenia scenes with the music he used just hit a very erie tone combined with the new DLC lore.
Yeah considering the Haligtree is touted as a haven for all mistreated and misplaced beings, the Tarnished would certainly count and I found it odd we were attacked, but this would explain it lore-wise.
I feel like Radahn didn't want Miquella to burden himself with the responsibility so Radahn ended up refusing to die.
Cliche plot but the way it's executed and the mystery of what's going to happen with the absolute CHAD behaviour of Radahn made me feel it was a masterpiece! The sick visuais also helped SO MUCH, look at the absolute peak masculinity of reborn radahn and how AWESOME older Miquella looks! I love how the plot it's a lose lose situation, it's either endless war and cruelty or "the most efficient government", i dont know if he can control you fully or just have a rule/spell that impedes people from escalating things, it might hit at the moment or prevent from even starting or even conceiving that while you live normally thinking you're free or "not even caring", better than moms forcing you and the kid you just fought to shake hands, i guess.
Ps. Your love and utter respect for this radahn was very visible throughout the video and i totally feel ya, my heart sank the stars feel and i want to know the lore even more now.
I honestly think we give Miquella too much credit as a mastermind when he was just a stupid child, doing what he felt was right in the moment, failing, then quickly switching to a new plan.
Love how a bonus to hurting Radahn, even more is that NOW he looks closest to his Hero, Godfrey.
The whole "blood cult was Miquella's idea and was charming mohg before the shattering" is borderline insane. Miquella likely wasn't even alive when Mohg came into contact with the Formless mother.
Riding Radahn hard of course 😂
Heard a theory that the reason why Miquella wanted Radahn to be his consort was because Radahn not only showed great strength but compassion as well, Miquella believed the golden order was failing and that was due to Marika not fully casting off her self or wants needs and emotions, so Miquella wanted to “perfect” this for his age, however he would need someone that shows great care for those in the land as Radahn (and his horse).
I believe Radahn realized multiple plots or fates against the golden order that he saw as ultimately the better outcome so he was stopping both Miquella’s plot and Ranni.
What might also be missed is Radahn’s wish that Jerren was upholding, that he wants to be killed honorably as a warrior, I think Radahn feared he may end up forced as consort so he would be back up plan if he should fail was to be killed by a strong warrior the only issue being he didn’t plant to get blasted by scarlet rot doomed to wander, mistakenly Jerren went to kill Radahn when Jerren was meant to save him by gathering heroes and warriors to go kill him should he fall
I'd like to think, all time Radahn was thinking: "If I die, whos gonna take care of Leonard?" ;_;7
The begin question is still how miquell was able to get radahn to make the vow
my theory is that he held leonard hostage
Radahn himself has so much going for him in so many things the reason I understand him now is cuz he refused death he refused to let anything bad happen to the land and world he was in he was born into and a true promise that he wanted to be🥹😭💔💔🔥🔥 that way Radahn is the strongest 💪
The GOAT ⚔️⚔️⚔️
@@PurgeEvilTV you should do more than video explaining these characters in so much more of the true pain sufferer in the backstory in the heartbroken promises that was given to them and more you're amazing and the Goat
Radahn is probably my favorite souls character
Easily the most badass