This New Mid Drive Motor is almost Perfect - 2023 X1 Pro Gen 3
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- The newest and one of the most powerful mid drive ebike motors on the market. This mid-drive ebike conversion kit is the cyc x1 pro gen 3 and x1 stealth gen 3. This are comparable to the Bafang bbshd mid drive motor.
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Photon review plz
Really interested to see how much they've improved the noise issue. The cyc power numbers are unrivaled but almost unnesecarily big at this point. I don't see many use cases for 5000w, but if I could get 3000w out of the box with the same noise as a BBSHD and without the need for external components that'd actually be huge. The other upgrades are nice as well, especially the tuning of the torque sensor is a big step forward. I'm excited to see it in action!
Im not sure if I should purchase the BBSHD or CYC X 3rd Gen - looking to try food delivery for fun and in need of range/speed (72v or multiple 52v)
5000w through a bicycle cassette, this can't end well. 1500w looks nice!
True, high power demands quality drive train components
^ im afraid for the drive train. Gotta be super crazy when put together.
that's why wheel motors are better for using a bike like a motocycles
How a company has not pushed a proper strong go kart chain drive on bicycles/ebikes is a minus. Imagine simply going up the steepest hills with leg power alone often, or every time you get on your bike The Who would Not realize that is an issue? Now imagine multiplying that by several times?😟
The Canadian company that is Biktrix solved this is issue albeit for not having attached the pedal assist just yet to their custom made 300NM ebike & drive train. They have the drive train that can handle with ease all that power as they utilize the go kart chain/drive system.
The torque is around the same on the 1500w and 3000w..and either way you need good drive components
I don't like the 2nd chain from crank to to motor. The photon appeals to me more
Hate when promoters or in Movies when they lower there voice wtf she say ? huh!
CC ingaged Again like here 5:26 something about higher temp as well
lol, didn't expect to see me as an example. 6:06 . Tbh I did like the noise, especially with shifting pitch changes. Also, it was extra noisy due to the high gear ratio and compensating with FW.
Without FW it would've hit 30kmh tops.
"we've improved the noise" proceeded to not once give us a demo. That woman is funny
Kind of questionable how they come out with Pre Order Sales and doing marketing hype. But still haven’t shown how loud the motor is. I was trying to find a user manual on their website and its not available yet 🤷♂️
agreed, I hope there is a noticeable improvement
"The throttle has a kick from the start" The lack of torque is a chronic problem, but the source is not with ebikes, it's batteries. Every brand and type.
Batteries are limited in how quickly they can discharge energy, and when you draw a large current quickly, they take damage (some batteries are better at this than others). I believe Tesla's clever work around the problem with batteries and torque was to use super capacitors. Capacitors have an ability to store and discharge large amounts at a rate the motor asks for. and will be recharged by the battery at cruising speed for the next acceleration boost.
I hope ebike motor makers like this one are adding some fat capacitor's for torque boosts and not sacrificing the longevity of people's batteries.
Many hate the way this motor sounds but compared to many others it's within the same sound range. Compared to the BBSHD by Bafang It is noticeably louder. After having both the X1 pro and the stealth and bbshd, I can say that the CYC is way more superior regardless of sound. Also when it comes to customer service CYC blows practically any other company away that I've ever even dealt with. Just my thoughts.
Excellent topical content performance ebikers care about. Thank you for that.
My biggest discriminator is noise with any of the CYC motors. As mentioned, high frequency, shrill almost screach of the motor. Inexcusable. My Bafang BBSHD I run at 1700 watts is utterly silent at full power. Why this matters is because riding my ebike around other non ebikes on shared trails makes my bike transparent. Many don't know I am even running a motor. I would be a potential buyer of CYC but why would I do that when I can get 1700 watts with a cheaper and bulletproof BBSHD with cheap replacement parts that I can't hear.
I hope CYC designs a true 'stealth' motor like the BBSHD. The second chain is another drawback but I could overcome this external secondary drive, but not the noise.
Nobody mentions, what is to me, the most important feature of the CYC motors. The torque sensor. The reason I purchased my CYC X1 Stealth about 3,000 miles ago is because it has a torque sensor. With their app you can dial it in so you get a very smooth pedaling experience. As someone who has over 200,000 miles of cycling experience over my lifetime it was more about the boost in wattage at the pedal in pedal assist but it is only natural if you have a good torque sensor at the crank. As I like to say, with a CYC mid-drive it is just like riding a bike but with stronger legs. I typically ride in pedal assist level 1 at an average of 35kph. There are 9 levels of pedal assist in both street mode and race mode. My top speed in race mode with a bit of a tailwind was 46mph. On rural roads I can comfortably do 30mph pulling my trailer. Hills? Eats them for breakfast. I upgraded my drive train with a Box Components Box 2 Prime 9 eWide 1 x 9 rear cassette built for ebikes. My bike will climb a wall. As far as the noise is concerned traffic noise is louder. Granted in the forest it would be nice to have silence but I don't notice the noise anymore. 90+% of my riding is commuting, shopping, errands, etc. where the noise is irrelevant. One nice thing about the noise however is when in town or on paths with foot and bike traffic people hear me coming. My 2 cents.
Put your bbs to same rotation speed (which stock contr can't do and you'll hear something else) you don't understand that they can't be silent at 10000 rpm and don't understand concept of electrical power so your senseless desires come from it.
Would this or something similar work on a fixed/single gear bike? I basically am interested in making a “SurRon’like” ebike in terms of power with a large battery for range, but just different aesthetic. Thank you!
Also, Would you recommend this over a cyclone motor?
Unfortunately i dont have an e bike just yet, which is why im evacuating my self.. but the mid drives seem less problematic with more power for pulling my dog in his trailer up and down the hills.. i too would find that high pitched whine annoying.. and worse paying so much cash to hear it !
You are not going to save any money over a RIde 1 up if your pulling a dog up a hill. This is for people who probably should just get a moped.
@@bindingcurve Ya, just planning to get a 750W 52v Bafang mid drive kit for peddle assist.. should work fine for my needs :)
Who in their right mind introduces their new product all filthy and full of mud 😂🤣
There are trying to imply that the kit is better true a true electric mountain bike, but at then end of the day you would be better served with a Surron.
I've only had trouble with my kit, so many part failures and after this last one where my controller shot out fire, I'm just kinda done with CYC. I think the core of the issue is that it just gets way too hot, and in colder yet humd climates this causes condensation inside the motor and controller, and the droplets that form just reaks havoc.
Great video. I'm on the fence about a $3k motor upgrade to increase speed torque of my super 73rx. After seeing this my first reaction is that this x1 Pro mid drive is the way to go assuming they fixed the noise issue. It sounded terrible.
I'm currently running two 52v batteries. Would I need a a 72v and could I still run two batteries? 🤔
Very impressive motors but there's a limit to how quiet a dual chain can be made. Real potentential but I'd wait to see how it does with aftermarket hacks & controllers, still too new for that. Still team Bafang.
I guess ill just wait and see on how the new gen 3 works out. I do like the idea of having a motor controller that can handle a 5000w motor yet still be small enough to fit to the rest of the motor discretely.
I've decided to go with Lightning Rods Small Block (5kW) motor and BAC2000 tweaked by High Voltage, in combination with Eggrider display. I will not have a torque assist and to be honest i dont really need it because ill be riding my overpowered ebike mostly on the public roads. As for the CYC Pro gen 3 - I'll wait and see. If that noise is taken care of, then ill get one for a 2nd powered ebike.
sounds like a ridiculous amount of money for an ebike that will legally go in bike lanes at 20 mph. So you can beat everybody off the line but you will be in everybody's rear view mirror in a few seconds. Not really a chick magnet.
@@SilverShadow2LWB There are no bike lanes in my country. I dont intend this for city use, but rather village province and out of town. The rules here arent really enforced as much and I'll use Waze to avoid road police.
Cyc is now far better than bafang , you can run the bafang at 72v high power and it will go way faster nearly keeping up with the pro gen 3 ,,,,BUT,,,, you have to modify it and by the time your done spending the extra money and time to do so ,,,, well , it wouldn't be worth it considering the cyc are ready to go out of the box , far more versitile too
You are talking about a drive that you never tested. Wow 👌 👏
Can I run a 56v 11ah battery on the stealth version ?
I haven't seen these before and I love the design of the crank with dual chain rings. As for noise, tell me more. Is it always loud?
I watched the video with the woman explaining (on the cyc site) and she was so difficult to listen to. All you could hear was her sibilant "S" sounds.
How hard was the install compared to a BBS02/BBSHD?
Yes, almost perfect until it breaks again.
Where can I get CYC motor parts ,,not from CYC....
I want to know about the CYC Photon!
5000 watts is going to trash my gears and chain
Still a screamer!!!
I hope it gets cheeper
If I was going to buy a nice bike with this being my first motor would I be making a bad call? Instead of spending $6000 on a car, I just want to upgrade my existing bike that I use for commute
I believe that crazy and noisy chain still there.
I hear ya!!!! Hehe
What battery you use?
It seems like a good product and has features to offer that Bafang does not; fitment, splined spindle, smaller size. But the louder noise, less experience, several bugs, and most importantly higher cost vs Bafang can make customers think twice.
I have a dumb question but what do you recommend for a beach cruiser and for a big hefty guy
I notice you have a rear hub motor. How does that work out with a mid drive motor as well?
Use
thanks good info
I wonder if the gen 3 controller can work on the gen2 motor. It would be great of you can swap them and use an eggrider
Yes, it can work with the Gen 2 kits. The controller upgrade kit is available on the website and also from authorised dealers
Yo.. You seen the new engwe x26 e bike?
From what I've seen the x26 is not a good bike.
I really wish more aftermarket kits came with torque sensors. I know most people don't care about pedal assist but I do and the torque sensor is such a difference maker when it comes to natural pedal feel
Good luck at finding one for this kit...!🤷♂️
@@monkeyhaters9258 it comes with one
After using the bafang and CYC pro and stealth. I would have to say the CYC motors are night and day difference. You really can't compressor the two due to the tuning capabilities of the cyc it the box and the torque sensing capabilities. I wouldn't go to a bafang if you gave it to me. Plus the CYC allows you to mount it in many ways. I have my kit mounted behind the seat tube but Infront if the rear wheel. Balance is 50/50 and slayes any trail.
It definitely can handle a lot more abuse I olso hot the new eggridder V2 display with the new bafang mid-drive BBSO2B Motor witch can handle a lot more heat than the older BBSO2 I'm glad these companies are working out all the glitches with the motors
I’ve never tried a mid drive, so what I have to go on is ease of use, and the power being 250NM on the 5000watt CYC is a lot more than the 160NM of the Bafang HD/Ultra. Also the sleekness of the CYC is a very attractive feature.
I would like to see a head to head with the Ultra vs. CYC 5000 Gen 3 upgrade. Bafang has not upgraded their motor in forever, so that is not a positive. I want the fastest bike that also has a lot of torque which the CYC seemingly checks off.
I don’t know about the ease of use, or is it an APP one needs to utilize in order to simply start the bike, or download upgrades so it behaves as it should out the box. If it is getting into video game territory where one needs to purchase, or simply download feature after feature which ought to come again right out the box as they’ve advertise that is an issue that I and many understandably don’t care to overlook. Also the sound being a loud whizzing is Not stealthy by any means, so that is an issue too, but not as bad as needing an App to even use the bike as one envisioned when purchasing it.
Ultra has controller upgrades that give over 3000 watts nominal!!!
@@lukyluciano7524 Really! And the Ultra is built to work on 3000watts nominally without any issue as if it were a 3000watt nominal motor? That means it can peak higher. Why is this not being sold in advertisements of ebikes? Instead they say peaks at around 1600watts HD, or the Ultra.
In your opinion what is the better option an Ultra, or CYC 5000watt motor?
@@buffalomind6838 that's what the motor is advertised at!!! Can also be tuned down to "stock" 750-1000 watts!! Legal guidelines for different countries!!! Of course Higher output risks more issues!!
I have a 2500w nominal with 3000w peak controller made by innotrace!! Wattwagons is the North American supplier for the upgraded controller but is called Archon X1.. they build bikes with options to upgrade power!!! They also sell the Ultra motor with controller upgrade.. No issues so far after a year!!!
@@buffalomind6838for myself, I don't use that much power but it's there if needed!!! Everyone has a preference!!