Hi SKY, I did the exact same test (out of curiosity) on my 2014 grand cherokee. Oddly my PSI readings (taken from my dash info as I didn't have a scan tool) were a little different. Cold start - 55 PSI Cold 3500 rpm - 78 PSI Full temp idle - 35 PSI Full temp 3500 rpm - 54 PSI I admit I was surprised (but happy) to see my idle pressure never went into the 20's like on your 2008. I wonder if the pressure info displayed on the dash would be the same readings you'd get from a scan tool? I also wonder if the oil pump on the grand cherokee would be a higher volume than the one on the car? I also use penzoil ultra platinum fully synthetic oil and am religious about my oil changes at 5000km. I have seen another video which shows the bearings used in the lifters were changed in 2014 and appear to be significantly bigger. Another video suggests that if mds is activated frequently, it actually helps that lifter get more lubrication when it's in the down position. If this is the case, my long highway trips may have helped. Wondering what your thoughts on that is?
@jonh2408 yes the 09+ engines have a slightly higher volume oil pump than the previous version, your PSI numbers are pretty consistent with what you'd see from a pump that's in good shape. 👍 And you're absolutely right, allowing the MDS to work as it should allows more oil flow to the lifters versus turning the system off. I'll have a more in depth video discussing all the details of the MDS system and its oiling properties out in the next two weeks!
@@ReignitedAuto I know this is older, but i was wondering if the 08 and older oil pickup tube fit the hellcat pump or did you have to modify something there as well? Thanks for all you do with the hemi, Man!
I say this in all sincerity, thank you for your dedication. I feel like most “full-time” UA-camrs would’ve looked at the task of retrofitting that hellcat pump and just said f!ck it. For you to take the time to follow through is seriously impressive to me.
I’m afraid to say this out loud…🤞🏻 I have a 2013 ram 1500 HIMI. I just hit 200,000 miles. I have not had a single problem out of this truck, no tick ever! The only thing I’ve done is ,change the oil every 5000 miles, rotate the tires, replace tires, replace brake’s , coolant flush 3 times I think, transmission flush twice. This has been the best running vehicle I have ever owned by far! Everything is bone stock. Maybe I’m just lucky, I don’t know. But the engine still runs like new, so does the transmission. I’m hoping to get another 200,000 out of it.🤞🏻💪🏻 I love my truck!
I’m curious about your truck and how you drive it? Is it mostly highway miles with little to no idling? If that’s the case that may be why you haven’t had that problem.
@@dodge73dartlucky but yes might be that I have the same truck 145k miles I do the oil change tires and all but I am a merchandiser so I drive everyday in mostly city and highway stop and go on and off ECT and I have had to replace the thermo do two rad flushes replace the damn brakes every 10 months lol and now the oil pump or sensor havng issues
I 100% believe that the lifter failures seen on hemis is related to effective lubrication. I had no idea the idle pressures could get that low at temp. This was a hugely insightful video both for understanding the root cause of the problem and the steps that can be taken to mitigate against it (avoid idle and higher flow pumps). Massive kudos for putting in all that work to put this video together! Great vid!
Never apologized for a Long detailed episode. Great content. I definitely will be looking into the melling hv pump on both my pre eagle hemis very soon. Can't wait for the eagle heads conversion videos. Keep up the great content. 🤘🤘🤘
Thank you so much for your hemi tick content, the oil pump comparisons with cold and operating temperature oil pressure measurements, as well as the camshaft and lifter replacement video. It was easier than I thought! I have some experience as a mechanic in the military from years ago, well stocked tool carts, and a 2013 Charger R/T with 197,000 miles sporting the usual symptoms of the lift failure including misfires. I took this on and replaced cam, lifters, and used a new Hellcat oil pump. I had the same improved oil pressure results you showed on this video. I am so thankful for the great information and being able to see you perform many of the necessary tasks. I have my car back and it runs great again. I have the confidence that I will not have to perform this cam and lifter replacement again. Thank you. Merchandise order coming soon! Thank you. TM
Gives us THREE oil pump readings 👍🏻👍🏻🔥🔥 probably took an hour for him to do the pump swaps, awesome information video. It’s always been about volume, more oil the better. Keep it up!
Your channel is pure gold for chrysler owners. Particularly those of us with the 5.7 engine. Your videos are clear, concise, and info packed!!. Thanks for breaking things down in a way regular guys can follow.
The 12 years I’ve owned my 08 5.7 ram; Ive make all repairs with instruction from UA-cam videos. Idk how this is the first time Ive stumbled across you and your channel but you’re my go to guy now. Your videos and instructions are outstanding. Thank you for loving the hemi so much!
Just install a hellcat oil pump & hellcat lifters on my 14 Jeep srt 6.4 everything is working perfectly zero hemi tick with 85 psi on first start up👍🏽 thank you for your videos they’re very helpful a lot of good information
Great video. Give this guy some subs. That was both a lot of work and money. I’m sure UA-cam isn’t paying all his bills yet. Plus a lot of other guys would’ve broke this into several videos. I’m in the middle of rebuilding a 05 hemi and appreciate this testing
I’m tearing down a 2007 5.7 out of a dodge rami got a 2008 ram that is still running strong 250.000kms and counting… I have driven this truck like I stole it everyday and used it as a work horse towing and just my daily at the same time. But I would like to build the other engine with mds deleted seeing as it’s a work truck. You have giving me a lot of knowledge in just 3 videos, thanks keep up the excellent work and research
Holy cow! Thank you so much for this. Been following this since you covered it a few months ago. I've got a 13' ram 1500 and been worrying about the lifters. Been keeping my idle times low and oil changes regularly. Great video sir!
@@TravisTheSavage I have a 2022 Ram 1500 5.7L on the way, is that method (tow haul) better than using the gear limiter function engaged and set to speed '8'?
@@kirbyspencer538 when you get the truck go through the cluster on the dash and see what Oil pressure you have. I’ve got a 2020 rebel 5.7 and I’m never seen it go below 31psi at hot idle. I would think that would be okay pressure but I’m not sure. Also the lifter problem seems to not have anything to do with the mds but the lack of oil pressure at idle.
Extremely informative video. Your time, dedication and honesty are greatly appreciated Sir. In the Cummins/Ram arena we just went through a similar situation with the high pressure fuel pumps and the entire CP-4 National recall that forced Ram to replace this fuel pumps. They decided to go back to the old reliable CP-3 Pumps...🏆
You know it! I've done probably 100 of those retrofit kits so far on the ram trucks. No idea why they made the change in the first place, the cp3 is just better. 👍
Just saw this @ recommendation of Ram Forum members. Outstanding work, thank you. I wasn't aware Ram upgraded the oil pump post-2009 model year, this obviously means they knew they had an insufficient oiling problem and lifter / cam failures. 20 psi idle oil pressure is marginal for any engine (GM's 8.1L V8 was notorious for this also), but often fatal for Hemi valve architecture. If the EVIC is to be believed, my 2017 Hemi shows 35 psi oil pressure @ hot idle, which is good for a non-Hemi engine. But we've seen lifter and cam failures in post-2009 Hemi engines also, which means it's still not sufficient for the inadequate oiling of the lifters and camshaft. in fact, raising the cam to fit the VVT cam phaser made it worse, with a lesser oil drainback angle. An oil pump change is too big a job for me at my age, but thanks anyway.
I have watched every one of your videos on the 5.7 issues in the last two weeks. I bought a 2014 Ram 1500 with the 5.7 and 89k miles six months ago. I got the tick five weeks ago which has progressively gotten worse and now I’ve got oil in the cylinders and am blowing smoke. I had NO idea this was such an issue or I would have done the rebuild when I first heard it. I’m beyond feeling comfortable with doing that now so I’ve got a Jasper ordered. I’m so grateful for your videos and will be swapping the pump for the Hellcat pump before installing the new motor when it arrives. This is a work truck and although I keep minimal idle time, I drive 300-500 miles a week and I’m hoping the new pump will help keep this from happening in the future
Excellent tutorial on oil pump swaps! All this info is very useful. I personally think that using a hi-volume oil pump, either Hellcat or Melling's unit, will certainly help the lifter issues. Thanks for the great video!
I did see a good video on the tick...the owner solved the problem with a change from 5w 20 to a 5w 30 synthetic oil and the results were very positive. No tick and the engine ran much smoother.
I have ordered a cam/lifter kit for my brother in law 2014 ram express. About 2 months ago. He made a decision to get it done Seeing a melling hi volume oil pump makes a difference. Im going to install it. I cannot say enough about seeing a person like you to share data and the proper way to get things done. So about 2 weeks. Im doing my very first Hemi engine repairs. Im looking forward to this task and learn more about it. Thank you sir.
Great informative video! I love using stock parts whenever possible to upgrade but until you buy the parts and try it you never really know if it will work. Thanks for the time effort and money you put into this one and I did like the longer video!
I just got my 5.7 done. Replaced lifters, cam, rockers and pushrods. Timing chain as well just because. I suggested to the shop to install a hellcat pump and he advised against it because the 5.7 isn't designed for it like the 6.4. I have a 2015 2500. I looked at the parts and there was nothing wrong with the lifter bearings but cam was scarred up on almost all of them but one worse then others. My oil pressure is at 55 psi cold and 45 at operating temperature. It seems to me that it was cam failure or oil failure that failed the cam. How about installing a high idle switch for longer idle times. Mechanic says the hellcat pump will blow out seals but you say that the engine has a venting system to prevent that. Anyway, I didn't get one installed but from now on I will go with 5w30 and Lucas and see where that takes me . Thanks for all your amazing videos. Been doing lots of research.
Im sure you’ve answered this already but you have A LOT of comments. Does the Hellcat pump work on the 6.4 GC-WK2 Hemi. This is my second video of yours and I’ve gotta say, BRAVO. I Completely enjoyed this whole video because you explained every part of the functionality and, well pretty much EVERYTHING was explained with no waisted time!!!!!
Probably the most valuable information and detail in demonstrating of any video on U-tube. This is the first mod to be done on the hemi before any other mods. I am an efficiency nut when it comes to building or modding my automobiles, bikes or other equipment. Will do this on my srt392 when I do the intake porting. Looking into the Hellcat water pump and optional pulleys for the alternator and ac and water pump in the process. Maybe just a smaller crank pulley. Simple mods makes the most sense. Oil pump is number one.
For you to put in this much work to prove a point is seriously impressive, I can't thank you enough!!! My #2 exhaust lifter just took a crap. Now, I'll be installing a hellcat pump along with new lifters and cam.
Thanks for what you do man, I was able to save $2k by swapping my cam and lifters in a 2012 Durango because of your great content! Keep up the great work!
Finally did this swap the other day. 2014 Ram 1500 Sport. MDS deleted Non MDS cam from a Ram 2500 installed. Hell cat lifters and hell cat oil pump installed. My oil pressure cruising at normal operating temp and at highway speed is a steady 70-75 PSI. At a hot idle on a hot day I’m at 43 PSI. This is with fresh Red Line 5W30 oil. I’ll be looking at doing some shorty headers and a tune in the very near future.
Was you overall MPG affected by deleting the MSD? I am about to do this mod, due to a cam lifter failure. I bought the lifter kit (hellcat) and cam shaft from modern muscle xtreme (MMX) their cam shaft adds 30 hp without any further mod, and I am now planning to buy the hell cat pump as well.
On the trucks, if you want to keep the A/C compressor attached, what I did was take a piece of wood or a broom/shovel/etc. and place it across the hood and then zip-tie the compressor to it so it "hangs" but it is still suspended and not pulling on the hoses. It looks sketchy, but it works and you don't have to yank the A/C lines like you said. I tried the OEM tools puller that you can rent from autozone, and I couldn't get enough grip on the balancer with it in order to pull it off. In the end, I used a 3 jaw puller which grabbed wrenches I arranged through the three "spokes" of the balancer. It's hard to explain, and it is ultra sketchy, but it was the only way I could get the balancer off. Sky if you see this, perhaps you could link in which puller you used (Amazon affiliate link?).
I'm skeptical too be honest. I simply run Redline 10w30 and my oil pressure has never went below 38psi, on a 97 degree day after doing a 0-130 pull lol. Typically my oil PSI sits around 44-46 when hot and idling. Edit: I should also mention my water temp was 243 for what that's worth
Nope. However it is a good upgrade. More volume more lubrication. I'm more convinced that it has alot to do with overall engine and oil Temps. 195 t stat and a oil cooler would help alot in my un educated opinion. I'm personally running 5w30 year round hee in canada. Only 45k miles on my 17 5.7 ram so wish me luck.
if low oil pressure at idle is the problem, then this will cure it. I have a question about oil pressure sending units. Mine failed (13 Charger 5.7), and the replacement I was sent still shows oil pressure at a constant 99psi. The OBD2 reader says that the voltage range is not what the computer is expecting to see. The part number I was expecting is 5149062AA, people keep sending me 5149062AB. The Chrysler TSB says to use 5149062AA... What is the difference between the two part numbers?
Thanks very kindly for this amazingly helpful video - got a hellcat pump for My RAM1500 and going to give it a crack - especially helpful to know it’s OK to leave the water pump on the timing cover by just removing Every alternate “long bolt” especially helpful showing how to prime a new oil pump on the HEMI Thanks again for being one of the very best channels on UA-cam. I fitted the hellcat pump at 10,000km and all valve train hemi tick Is gone. I also run Amsoil signature 0w 20 and I think it’s a very good idea to fit the high volume hellcat pump. I am now at 38000 km
Thanks for the edit. so im assuming your hellcat pump was direct fit? just having to rebuilt my 2010 1500 with 510xxx so making sure the 2009+ 5.7 was direct replacement
This is good stuff. You are talking my language. I have always been a believer of upgrading the oil flow. I grew up putting big block oil pumps in 350 engines. Myself, I would not go with the modification of the drive gear to install the HellCat pump. Looking for long term reliability in a daily driver. Otherwise I believe it is necessary to swap out the stock pump for a high volume oiler. Even more so for a daily driver. Every time she fires up, it would feel good seeing that guage sitting on the 80's. Thanks for the great video and taking the time to swap out the parts twice. We all can learn a lot from this. Thanks!
you are a hemi owners best friend! I am already having the broken bolts at the exhaust manifold at 50k miles ! i plan to update to the higher VOLUME hellcat oil pump makes good sense to me also I use mobile one or equivalent and a quart of lucas-oil . I've never had a failure
Very informative test. You can apply this to LS and Coyote engines also. I'm going to use a high volume pump on my LS3 stroker project when I start that, even though some argue you will use more HP to turn a high volume pump. I'd rather loose a couple of HP for more oil flow at idle any day. I did a high volume Melling on a '01 Jeep 4.0 inline 6 that had a scored up oil pump gear face and pump cover. Went from about 30-35 psi cold in 30* weather to about 70 psi cold in 30-90* weather. No more clacking of valve train at idle. BTW, the rotors on that pump were almost twice as long as the stock pump. Like a new engine, very happy.
Part of me really wants to buy the 5w30 instead of the 5w20 for my 200k mile hemi 300c. But you and several others have convinced me to just stick with high mileage synthetic 5w20. I for one am happy to see 21 psi hot idle and 55 going down the highway as I don't hot idle much where I live. Thanks for the great content!
U can use 5w30 oil in a hemi. They use it in other countries and it even says in the manual that U can use that if 20 weight is not available or high towing usage is done with the engine. 5w30 or 0w30 is so very marginally thicker at 200 degrees it’s hardly notable on paperwork even amsoil will agree the difference is very minimal. Especially at start up when your 0winter flow is exactly the same
Thanks for your effort here, and really for all your HEMI tick related investigative videos. After watching this video, I started paying attention to my idle oil pressure. Today I was on the road for a while, then had to idle in a parking lot waiting for some people. At operating temperature 200 F or greater, it held at 35 psi. So, that's not too bad. Ill keep monitoring it though, especially on hotter days. Today was only 85 F
@@ReignitedAuto I’m in Western Missouri. At the time of that test it was 72. We run from -20 to 105 degrees normally. I’d like to test it again at other temperatures.
Awesome Video! Great hands-on with actual historical data and test confirmation. If your doing a rebuild on a Gen III, throwing in an upgraded oil pump and new lifters makes sense. Better oil flow, frequent oil changes based on engine runtime hours with proper viscosity and quality oil should eliminate any potential hot idle lubrication issues. Great strategy to reduce any contributing factors leading to lifter roller failure and cam wear. Thanks so much for doing this. I enjoy your channel.
Thank you for all the time, effort & expense in performing this testing with the different OE and Melling oil pumps; Impressive video! On my 2021 Challenger SP/WB with the 392/6.4L SRT engine: I change oil & oil filter every 6 months or 6,000 miles (whichever occurs first) and use the Mfg. specified SRT products (oil & oil filter) that I purchase at Parts at my local Dodge (CDJR) Dealership. I purchased my '21 Challenger new during June 2021, and right now (10/10/2022) have only 5,500 miles on it. I've still changed the oil & oil filter every 6 months. Vehicle is always garaged and driven (at a minimum) once every few days to at least once per week. I've not had any issues but do intend to take a look at oil pressure when both cold and when up to temperature, just to know. The upgrade to the Hellcat oil pump is interesting. Thanks! Tom M., So. Cal.
I will say, I was able to get my pickup tube off my 2012 1500 ram when doing my cam swap while keeping the oil pan on. All about sanding down a closed end wrench to where it's thin and bending it like a S so it'll fit over the pan, and under the tube bolts.
@@ReignitedAuto I understand way better to take off the pan, but I did mine in March of 2020, so getting other parts other than the Jay Greene kit was out of the question lol
Great work on this hemi-tick series. My RAM 1500 5.7 reports hot idle oil pressure at around 37 psi. Stock truck. Maybe not all Hemis have low hot idle oil pressure?
My 1500 is close at 38psi. Still wondering if it is worth doing the hellcat pump swap on mine or just do lifters and cam now to avoid complications for hopefully another 80k miles.
Bought a hoodie... thank you for the content. I have a 2022 RT that I'd like to keep alive (at least until I can afford to replace it with forged internals ;)
I thought about this issue as well especially on the police cars my thought was they could do a idle device that steps up the rpm slightly when parked kinda like the idle up on big trucks
sorry for an additional feedback. something I thought about and the end of this awesome technical video, is that this is my first truck with auto start, and i live in Colorado with cold winter weather I also have heated seats and auto climate control. that being said I use the auto start all winter long and the truck will idle for 10? minutes before it shuts itself off.... I wonder how many other hemi owners do the same, and are we the highest # of cam failures? hummmmm
I think the people most at risk are those who idle excessively when the engine is already at operating temperature so the oil is already at its thinnest. Mainly fleet type vehicles. and when I'm talking about excessive idling I mean 1hr+ 👍
Thank you for dedication and explains. Appreciate! However, my measurements do not fit this concept. I drive '14 R/T from it's day one, and I do notice a tick on idle, not extremely loud. After driving today 30 min city cycle (low speeds, continuous start / stop on traffic lights), I let the car to idle 2 mins and took numbers: Oli Temp - 215 F, Oil Pressure - 42.3 psi . The car is stock, but with Mopar CAI.
Dam bro….excellent video….im currently having to do the lifters and cam on my 2014 ram…u just debunked chrysler fatal flaw …i had suspicions …..but u solved that……. yes i will get the hellcat pump….thank you for your hard work !!
1 thing I take a bit of an issue with is oil psi is not solely created by the oil pump. The majority of oil psi is created in the engine itself by the clearances of the bearings. Ex. You can easily have a brand new hight volume pump on a worn out engine that will give you 0 psi. Upgrading the pump will provide the engine a higher volume of oil but not necessarily higher oil psi
I just bought a 2015 Ram 1500 Sport that had a new engine installed in January due to engine (camshaft failure). Previous owner was unaware of the “Hemi tick” issues but did say it had been making noises for a few months before failure. Engine has about 1500 km on it (~1000 miles). I just had it at my service shop and had them test oil pressure cold and at operating temperature. Cold it was 35 psi and at operating temp it was 29.5 psi. Contemplating getting the Hellcat pump installed but think I will monitor over the next year to see if pressures drop.
I run a thicker oil Shell Rotella 15w40. You'd be amazed how many oil related issues it solves , oil leaks , smoking via pcv etc. Works in the Audi's and BMW's too that spec these ultra thin oils that give numerous headaches till you go with a thicker oil. That's why Lucas oil stabilizer works so well.
I'm not sure if Ram had ever installed higher flow pumps for certain model years but I own a 2016 5.7 bighorn stock and the idle psi has always stayed around 42 at full running temp. I also live in Texas which the outside temp stays around 100 F during the summer. I recently just hit 200,000 miles with no major issues except when I replaced warped exhaust headers with aftermarkets around 130,000 miles. All maintenance done such as oil changes every 5,000, transmission flush, tune-ups, radiator flush and full suspension replacement at 170,000. It has been a great truck and I plan on putting another 100,000 miles on it! I would much rather get an engine replacement instead of buying a new or slightly used truck with today's prices! I just can't comprehend paying $50k to $60k for entry level model!
I don't think you could hear it enough. Thank you for doing this experiment. My 2018 Ram with the 5.7 runs at 33 PSI during idle at normal operating temperature. What do you consider an optimal oil pressure level on idle? I'm not sure if you covered a specific number in this video. Thank you!
I love your videos more and more so much information, I plan some upgrades for my car and you provide a lot of insight that will have save me a ton of money and headaches
I looked up my 2014 charger oil pump and a 2015 6.2 oil pump and my parts vendor is saying they take the exact same pump. I need to get a high volume pump right now I have a high pressure and high volume but it's not a meiling. I love the time you put into this from one technician to another
Hey thanks so much man I appreciate it! I've had a couple people say that their stock pump has a 16mm thick rotor like the Hellcat one has, but they've never sent me any pictures to prove it. I personally have never seen one in anything but a Hellcat. Good news though, I just got Melling to send me their brand new high volume pump for the 09+ Hemi engines. This pump has a claimed 20% increase in volume, the Hellcat one is only 12% more! I'll have a video out on it likely next Saturday. The part number for the new pump is 10452HV 👍
You Sir.. you are The Man.. thank you for all you do.. I don't like longer videos bc most of them half the video is bs talking about nothing where I'm like get to the point.. but your videos are informative I see a long one I say to my self heyyyyy more info... once again thank you..
I just made a 20k investment on a 2010 ram with 210000kms and drive it for the summer. Now? Cylinder 5 misfire under any kind of load. I don’t have thousands to throw away, super upset with not getting value. Im not naive i realize it was used but this is so common. Poor engineering??? I don’t know but i can say im a frustrated consumer. Looking to fix the issue not just throw money at a problem that will repeat itself. This has to be the best plausible cause snd fix. Thank you for your video. Like and subbed!
37 hot Idle 70 74 at 60 mph. 77 Medium cold start after ride, Sitting for one hour. Don't have Completely cold but I will try to update this review. Millen oil pump: Thank you so much! 2012 ram 5.7🙏💪
Is this "HEMI TICK" problem still present on the new 2022 Dodge Challenger R/T Scatpack 392 and 2022 Challenger SXT V6 as well as the MDS problem on these new Dodge Challengers with the 8 spd. automatic transmissions?
Thanks for the great information !! Thinking about doing this on my 17 ram 1500 but not exactly excited about wrestling with the pickup tube and oil pan.
Hi Sky. I have question. I have a 2020 Ram 1500 5.7 and at temp of 89 outside, oil temp of 221 coolant temp 212. 600 rpm idle my oil pressure is 33 steady and 60 psi at 3500 rpm. Do you think it worth the upgrade? Maybe they have already improved something here. Great video, keep them coming.
EXCELLENT VIDEO! I have been wondering the same thing about my 2015 RAM 5.7. Hellcat pump it is. Oh, and I frequently watch vids that are 1.5 hours long so don't worry about the length, people can always FF through them.
Living in albeta, i have to double remote start to get to running temp. 30 min idle. I have lifter noise now. Building new engine. Getting the melling pump. and a bunch of other fun parts!
Another great video Sky! Thank you for the great article, I think I will do this mod on my challenger rt and ram 1500. I plan on keeping both for a long time!
Awesome job!!!! Definitely like the looks of those increased pressure numbers. What kind of mileage do you think would be good idea to upgrade the oil pump? Thank you for all of your hard work :)
The sooner the better because low pressure and lower oil flow especially at idle can cause more engine wear no matter the mileage. So someone who doesn’t idle much won’t see as much of a impact. But it will definitely help with reliability when your pushing those horses racing for just trying to have fun and pushing the engine
I have a 2022 Ram 1500 Limited with Etotque after 90 seconds the engine shuts off so long idle times should not be an issue. I installed a Kand P Enginering Aircraft quality oil filter that is reusable I can clean as often as I like. Advantages are it cleans down to 5 microns Vs 20 microns with OEM, super magnet inside filter and offers 7 times more flow, at hot idle 85F Im at 35 psi at 500 RPM's 8 psi less than the Hellcat. I 100% agree with more pressure at hot idle is great with and oil changes at 5000 mile Vs 10,000 miles is best and I use Amsoil 0W20 Vs 5W20. Soon to install a bypass filter by Insane Diesel that cleans to 1 micron, more flow more pressure and cleaner oil = less failure.
Dodge service tech I know had his 2015 Scat Pack cam fail at 40K miles give or take a few 100 either way. Th 6.4/392 Scat Pack engines use the larger oil pumps, so this is not the answer. One would think Chrysler would have drill some holes in the cam galley area for oil to drip down upon the cam ? Cheap quick fix that most likely require a resistor plug here or there.For Chrysler to sully their Hemi name due to a lack of action of this issue is amazing !?
Had a 2009 5.7 and was forced to retire it at 405,000 kilometres due to an accident. Insurance wrote off the truck. I bought the truck with 189,000 kilometres and it had a tick at that time that never really got any worse. At 405,000 km it still only burned about 1 litre of oil every 8000 to 9000 km. The only oil that I have ever used in it was Amsoil 5W20 and changed it every 10,000 km. I feel if I didn’t loose track of the tanker in the snow storm and white out it would have gone for another 100,000 to 200,000 km.
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Hi SKY, I did the exact same test (out of curiosity) on my 2014 grand cherokee. Oddly my PSI readings (taken from my dash info as I didn't have a scan tool) were a little different.
Cold start - 55 PSI
Cold 3500 rpm - 78 PSI
Full temp idle - 35 PSI
Full temp 3500 rpm - 54 PSI
I admit I was surprised (but happy) to see my idle pressure never went into the 20's like on your 2008. I wonder if the pressure info displayed on the dash would be the same readings you'd get from a scan tool? I also wonder if the oil pump on the grand cherokee would be a higher volume than the one on the car? I also use penzoil ultra platinum fully synthetic oil and am religious about my oil changes at 5000km. I have seen another video which shows the bearings used in the lifters were changed in 2014 and appear to be significantly bigger. Another video suggests that if mds is activated frequently, it actually helps that lifter get more lubrication when it's in the down position. If this is the case, my long highway trips may have helped. Wondering what your thoughts on that is?
@jonh2408 yes the 09+ engines have a slightly higher volume oil pump than the previous version, your PSI numbers are pretty consistent with what you'd see from a pump that's in good shape. 👍
And you're absolutely right, allowing the MDS to work as it should allows more oil flow to the lifters versus turning the system off. I'll have a more in depth video discussing all the details of the MDS system and its oiling properties out in the next two weeks!
@@ReignitedAuto I know this is older, but i was wondering if the 08 and older oil pickup tube fit the hellcat pump or did you have to modify something there as well? Thanks for all you do with the hemi, Man!
stock:
cold: 49 F
idle: 58 psi
3500: 75 psi
hot: 210 F
idle: 20 psi
3500: 58 psi
melling:
cold: 54 F
idle: 85 psi
3500: 99 psi
hot: 210 F
idle: 37 psi
3500: 85 psi
hellcat mod:
cold: 46 F
idle: 89 psi
3500: 99 psi
hot: 208 F
idle: 43 psi
3500: 90 psi
Just released December 2021 - Melling M342HV high volume oil pump
@@TristynRusselo how is high volume compared to the hellcat ome
@@mrstrangerdanger5741 watch at 23:11 he talks about vane thickness, stock 03-08 12.5mm, 09-current 14mm, hellcat 16mm, melling HV 15mm.
I say this in all sincerity, thank you for your dedication. I feel like most “full-time” UA-camrs would’ve looked at the task of retrofitting that hellcat pump and just said f!ck it. For you to take the time to follow through is seriously impressive to me.
Teachers pet. 🤣
I’m afraid to say this out loud…🤞🏻
I have a 2013 ram 1500 HIMI. I just hit 200,000 miles. I have not had a single problem out of this truck, no tick ever!
The only thing I’ve done is ,change the oil every 5000 miles, rotate the tires, replace tires, replace brake’s , coolant flush 3 times I think, transmission flush twice. This has been the best running vehicle I have ever owned by far!
Everything is bone stock. Maybe I’m just lucky, I don’t know. But the engine still runs like new, so does the transmission. I’m hoping to get another 200,000 out of it.🤞🏻💪🏻
I love my truck!
I’m curious about your truck and how you drive it? Is it mostly highway miles with little to no idling?
If that’s the case that may be why you haven’t had that problem.
@@dodge73dartlucky but yes might be that I have the same truck 145k miles I do the oil change tires and all but I am a merchandiser so I drive everyday in mostly city and highway stop and go on and off ECT and I have had to replace the thermo do two rad flushes replace the damn brakes every 10 months lol and now the oil pump or sensor havng issues
What weight oil and brand do you run?
I’m now doing my lifters 2016 ram 1500 5.7 260k heavy towing oil change every 5k to 7k miles
@@dodge73dart 2016 392 stroker ram 97k miles but it's modified with the mellings pump.
Tow, deliverys, and even bed load delivery's
I 100% believe that the lifter failures seen on hemis is related to effective lubrication. I had no idea the idle pressures could get that low at temp. This was a hugely insightful video both for understanding the root cause of the problem and the steps that can be taken to mitigate against it (avoid idle and higher flow pumps). Massive kudos for putting in all that work to put this video together! Great vid!
Never apologized for a Long detailed episode. Great content. I definitely will be looking into the melling hv pump on both my pre eagle hemis very soon. Can't wait for the eagle heads conversion videos. Keep up the great content. 🤘🤘🤘
Thank you so much for your hemi tick content, the oil pump comparisons with cold and operating temperature oil pressure measurements, as well as the camshaft and lifter replacement video. It was easier than I thought! I have some experience as a mechanic in the military from years ago, well stocked tool carts, and a 2013 Charger R/T with 197,000 miles sporting the usual symptoms of the lift failure including misfires. I took this on and replaced cam, lifters, and used a new Hellcat oil pump. I had the same improved oil pressure results you showed on this video. I am so thankful for the great information and being able to see you perform many of the necessary tasks. I have my car back and it runs great again. I have the confidence that I will not have to perform this cam and lifter replacement again. Thank you. Merchandise order coming soon! Thank you. TM
Love the success stories! 👊
What type of hellcat oil pump?
Gives us THREE oil pump readings 👍🏻👍🏻🔥🔥 probably took an hour for him to do the pump swaps, awesome information video. It’s always been about volume, more oil the better.
Keep it up!
Your channel is pure gold for chrysler owners. Particularly those of us with the 5.7 engine. Your videos are clear, concise, and info packed!!. Thanks for breaking things down in a way regular guys can follow.
Dude IDK why this is so serendipitous. I’ve been seeking this out for weeks.
UA-cam knows 😂
The 12 years I’ve owned my 08 5.7 ram; Ive make all repairs with instruction from UA-cam videos. Idk how this is the first time Ive stumbled across you and your channel but you’re my go to guy now. Your videos and instructions are outstanding. Thank you for loving the hemi so much!
I appreciate you watching, thank you!
Just install a hellcat oil pump & hellcat lifters on my 14 Jeep srt 6.4 everything is working perfectly zero hemi tick with 85 psi on first start up👍🏽 thank you for your videos they’re very helpful a lot of good information
May i know which pump did u use
Great video. Give this guy some subs. That was both a lot of work and money. I’m sure UA-cam isn’t paying all his bills yet.
Plus a lot of other guys would’ve broke this into several videos.
I’m in the middle of rebuilding a 05 hemi and appreciate this testing
I’m tearing down a 2007 5.7 out of a dodge rami got a 2008 ram that is still running strong 250.000kms and counting… I have driven this truck like I stole it everyday and used it as a work horse towing and just my daily at the same time.
But I would like to build the other engine with mds deleted seeing as it’s a work truck.
You have giving me a lot of knowledge in just 3 videos, thanks keep up the excellent work and research
Can’t thank you enough for showing us the results of your hard work.
I have an '05 Chrysler 300c and your videos are insanely helpful! Keep dishing out the HEMI vids, man!!!
Holy cow! Thank you so much for this. Been following this since you covered it a few months ago. I've got a 13' ram 1500 and been worrying about the lifters. Been keeping my idle times low and oil changes regularly. Great video sir!
Turning off the MDS with a Hand held tuner is what you need
@@TravisTheSavage I have a 2022 Ram 1500 5.7L on the way, is that method (tow haul) better than using the gear limiter function engaged and set to speed '8'?
@@kirbyspencer538 tow / haul does not disable MDS on my 2020 1500. The only way to disable MDS is to engage the gear limit and leave it at 8.
@@ITrustInDog Thank you sir.
@@kirbyspencer538 when you get the truck go through the cluster on the dash and see what Oil pressure you have. I’ve got a 2020 rebel 5.7 and I’m never seen it go below 31psi at hot idle. I would think that would be okay pressure but I’m not sure. Also the lifter problem seems to not have anything to do with the mds but the lack of oil pressure at idle.
Extremely informative video.
Your time, dedication and honesty are greatly appreciated Sir.
In the Cummins/Ram arena we just went through a similar situation with the high pressure fuel pumps and the entire CP-4 National recall that forced Ram to replace this fuel pumps. They decided to go back to the old reliable CP-3 Pumps...🏆
You know it! I've done probably 100 of those retrofit kits so far on the ram trucks. No idea why they made the change in the first place, the cp3 is just better. 👍
Just saw this @ recommendation of Ram Forum members. Outstanding work, thank you. I wasn't aware Ram upgraded the oil pump post-2009 model year, this obviously means they knew they had an insufficient oiling problem and lifter / cam failures. 20 psi idle oil pressure is marginal for any engine (GM's 8.1L V8 was notorious for this also), but often fatal for Hemi valve architecture. If the EVIC is to be believed, my 2017 Hemi shows 35 psi oil pressure @ hot idle, which is good for a non-Hemi engine. But we've seen lifter and cam failures in post-2009 Hemi engines also, which means it's still not sufficient for the inadequate oiling of the lifters and camshaft. in fact, raising the cam to fit the VVT cam phaser made it worse, with a lesser oil drainback angle. An oil pump change is too big a job for me at my age, but thanks anyway.
Appreciate you watching Brian 👍
I love your commitment to your viewers! Thank you for doing the heavy lifting for the rest of us.
I have watched every one of your videos on the 5.7 issues in the last two weeks. I bought a 2014 Ram 1500 with the 5.7 and 89k miles six months ago. I got the tick five weeks ago which has progressively gotten worse and now I’ve got oil in the cylinders and am blowing smoke.
I had NO idea this was such an issue or I would have done the rebuild when I first heard it. I’m beyond feeling comfortable with doing that now so I’ve got a Jasper ordered. I’m so grateful for your videos and will be swapping the pump for the Hellcat pump before installing the new motor when it arrives.
This is a work truck and although I keep minimal idle time, I drive 300-500 miles a week and I’m hoping the new pump will help keep this from happening in the future
Excellent tutorial on oil pump swaps! All this info is very useful. I personally think that using a hi-volume oil pump, either Hellcat or Melling's unit, will certainly help the lifter issues.
Thanks for the great video!
I did see a good video on the tick...the owner solved the problem with a change from 5w 20 to a 5w 30 synthetic oil and the results were very positive. No tick and the engine ran much smoother.
He explained in this video it doesn’t solve anything
I have ordered a cam/lifter kit for my brother in law 2014 ram express. About 2 months ago. He made a decision to get it done
Seeing a melling hi volume oil pump makes a difference. Im going to install it.
I cannot say enough about seeing a person like you to share data and the proper way to get things done.
So about 2 weeks. Im doing my very first Hemi engine repairs. Im looking forward to this task and learn more about it. Thank you sir.
Awesome info! Thanks for going through all that to get the data 💪
Appreciate you coming over to check it out, love the builds you do 👍
He took this on for us so we don't have too. My 2006 Dodge Charger 5.7 with 199,681 miles thanks you.
Great informative video! I love using stock parts whenever possible to upgrade but until you buy the parts and try it you never really know if it will work. Thanks for the time effort and money you put into this one and I did like the longer video!
your a genius man live your work we need mechanics like you🙌🏼
Appreciate the kind words! 👊
I enjoy your videos they have been very educational - thanks a bunch for your content .
Stellar effort well done very thorough comparisons thank you so much 🥇from Australia
I just got my 5.7 done. Replaced lifters, cam, rockers and pushrods. Timing chain as well just because. I suggested to the shop to install a hellcat pump and he advised against it because the 5.7 isn't designed for it like the 6.4. I have a 2015 2500. I looked at the parts and there was nothing wrong with the lifter bearings but cam was scarred up on almost all of them but one worse then others. My oil pressure is at 55 psi cold and 45 at operating temperature. It seems to me that it was cam failure or oil failure that failed the cam. How about installing a high idle switch for longer idle times. Mechanic says the hellcat pump will blow out seals but you say that the engine has a venting system to prevent that. Anyway, I didn't get one installed but from now on I will go with 5w30 and Lucas and see where that takes me . Thanks for all your amazing videos. Been doing lots of research.
Im sure you’ve answered this already but you have A LOT of comments. Does the Hellcat pump work on the 6.4 GC-WK2 Hemi. This is my second video of yours and I’ve gotta say, BRAVO. I Completely enjoyed this whole video because you explained every part of the functionality and, well pretty much EVERYTHING was explained with no waisted time!!!!!
Probably the most valuable information and detail in demonstrating of any video on U-tube. This is the first mod to be done on the hemi before any other mods. I am an efficiency nut when it comes to building or modding my automobiles, bikes or other equipment. Will do this on my srt392 when I do the intake porting. Looking into the Hellcat water pump and optional pulleys for the alternator and ac and water pump in the process. Maybe just a smaller crank pulley. Simple mods makes the most sense. Oil pump is number one.
For you to put in this much work to prove a point is seriously impressive, I can't thank you enough!!! My #2 exhaust lifter just took a crap. Now, I'll be installing a hellcat pump along with new lifters and cam.
Thanks for what you do man, I was able to save $2k by swapping my cam and lifters in a 2012 Durango because of your great content! Keep up the great work!
Love hearing the success stories 👏
You've given me the confidence to actually try bigger jobs on my '06 Charger R/T.
You're the coolest Bill Nye the Science Guy ever man.
Finally did this swap the other day. 2014 Ram 1500 Sport. MDS deleted Non MDS cam from a Ram 2500 installed. Hell cat lifters and hell cat oil pump installed. My oil pressure cruising at normal operating temp and at highway speed is a steady 70-75 PSI. At a hot idle on a hot day I’m at 43 PSI. This is with fresh Red Line 5W30 oil. I’ll be looking at doing some shorty headers and a tune in the very near future.
Was you overall MPG affected by deleting the MSD? I am about to do this mod, due to a cam lifter failure. I bought the lifter kit (hellcat) and cam shaft from modern muscle xtreme (MMX) their cam shaft adds 30 hp without any further mod, and I am now planning to buy the hell cat pump as well.
On the trucks, if you want to keep the A/C compressor attached, what I did was take a piece of wood or a broom/shovel/etc. and place it across the hood and then zip-tie the compressor to it so it "hangs" but it is still suspended and not pulling on the hoses. It looks sketchy, but it works and you don't have to yank the A/C lines like you said. I tried the OEM tools puller that you can rent from autozone, and I couldn't get enough grip on the balancer with it in order to pull it off. In the end, I used a 3 jaw puller which grabbed wrenches I arranged through the three "spokes" of the balancer. It's hard to explain, and it is ultra sketchy, but it was the only way I could get the balancer off. Sky if you see this, perhaps you could link in which puller you used (Amazon affiliate link?).
Great video, learned a lot! Thank you for taking the time and expense for this comparison.
Currently in the middle of fixing my Hemi tick. You are the reason I bought the Melling High Volume pump.
Did the pump alone fix the tick?
What do you think? Are you convinced that this mod will fix the lifter issues?
I'm skeptical too be honest. I simply run Redline 10w30 and my oil pressure has never went below 38psi, on a 97 degree day after doing a 0-130 pull lol. Typically my oil PSI sits around 44-46 when hot and idling.
Edit: I should also mention my water temp was 243 for what that's worth
On my RAM 1500, if I tune my idle to be a bit higher, is that a decent temporary solution to low oil pressure or is it pointless?
nope, it wont fix the lifter issue. The hemi tick came from the Bermuda triangle.
Nope. However it is a good upgrade. More volume more lubrication. I'm more convinced that it has alot to do with overall engine and oil Temps. 195 t stat and a oil cooler would help alot in my un educated opinion. I'm personally running 5w30 year round hee in canada. Only 45k miles on my 17 5.7 ram so wish me luck.
if low oil pressure at idle is the problem, then this will cure it. I have a question about oil pressure sending units. Mine failed (13 Charger 5.7), and the replacement I was sent still shows oil pressure at a constant 99psi. The OBD2 reader says that the voltage range is not what the computer is expecting to see. The part number I was expecting is 5149062AA, people keep sending me 5149062AB. The Chrysler TSB says to use 5149062AA... What is the difference between the two part numbers?
Thanks very kindly for this amazingly helpful video - got a hellcat pump for
My RAM1500 and going to give it a crack - especially helpful to know it’s OK to leave the water pump on the timing cover by just removing Every alternate “long bolt”
especially helpful showing how to prime a new oil pump on the HEMI
Thanks again for being one of the very best channels on UA-cam.
I fitted the hellcat pump at 10,000km and all valve train hemi tick
Is gone.
I also run Amsoil signature 0w 20 and I think it’s a very good idea to fit the high volume hellcat pump. I am now at 38000 km
Thanks for the edit. so im assuming your hellcat pump was direct fit? just having to rebuilt my 2010 1500 with 510xxx so making sure the 2009+ 5.7 was direct replacement
@@andrewschoenfeldt5620did you have to evacuate the a/c on the ram 1500 to replace oil pump?
Great research to help keep these Hemi engines on the road for many, many decades in the future.
This is good stuff. You are talking my language. I have always been a believer of upgrading the oil flow. I grew up putting big block oil pumps in 350 engines. Myself, I would not go with the modification of the drive gear to install the HellCat pump. Looking for long term reliability in a daily driver. Otherwise I believe it is necessary to swap out the stock pump for a high volume oiler. Even more so for a daily driver. Every time she fires up, it would feel good seeing that guage sitting on the 80's.
Thanks for the great video and taking the time to swap out the parts twice. We all can learn a lot from this. Thanks!
you are a hemi owners best friend! I am already having the broken bolts at the exhaust manifold at 50k miles ! i plan to update to the higher VOLUME hellcat oil pump makes good sense to me also I use mobile one or equivalent and a quart of lucas-oil . I've never had a failure
Dude you rock, thanks for providing so much information in one video holy smokes
Very informative test. You can apply this to LS and Coyote engines also. I'm going to use a high volume pump on my LS3 stroker project when I start that, even though some argue you will use more HP to turn a high volume pump. I'd rather loose a couple of HP for more oil flow at idle any day. I did a high volume Melling on a '01 Jeep 4.0 inline 6 that had a scored up oil pump gear face and pump cover. Went from about 30-35 psi cold in 30* weather to about 70 psi cold in 30-90* weather. No more clacking of valve train at idle. BTW, the rotors on that pump were almost twice as long as the stock pump. Like a new engine, very happy.
Part of me really wants to buy the 5w30 instead of the 5w20 for my 200k mile hemi 300c. But you and several others have convinced me to just stick with high mileage synthetic 5w20. I for one am happy to see 21 psi hot idle and 55 going down the highway as I don't hot idle much where I live. Thanks for the great content!
U can use 5w30 oil in a hemi. They use it in other countries and it even says in the manual that U can use that if 20 weight is not available or high towing usage is done with the engine. 5w30 or 0w30 is so very marginally thicker at 200 degrees it’s hardly notable on paperwork even amsoil will agree the difference is very minimal. Especially at start up when your 0winter flow is exactly the same
Good content. Just had a customer drop off a 2013 1500 truck. Po308 and making tap sounds at idle
Thanks for your effort here, and really for all your HEMI tick related investigative videos.
After watching this video, I started paying attention to my idle oil pressure. Today I was on the road for a while, then had to idle in a parking lot waiting for some people. At operating temperature 200 F or greater, it held at 35 psi. So, that's not too bad. Ill keep monitoring it though, especially on hotter days. Today was only 85 F
Thank you so mcuh.
I hope one day seeing you working on Wk2 (2011-2013).
I’ve got 2020 1500 5.7 rebel. My cold start oil pressure on startup is 60 psi.
Highway is 52 psi.
At full operating temp idle is 31 psi.
All sounds good to me. What's the ambient temps like where you are?
@@ReignitedAuto I’m in Western Missouri. At the time of that test it was 72. We run from -20 to 105 degrees normally. I’d like to test it again at other temperatures.
Awesome Video! Great hands-on with actual historical data and test confirmation. If your doing a rebuild on a Gen III, throwing in an upgraded oil pump and new lifters makes sense. Better oil flow, frequent oil changes based on engine runtime hours with proper viscosity and quality oil should eliminate any potential hot idle lubrication issues. Great strategy to reduce any contributing factors leading to lifter roller failure and cam wear. Thanks so much for doing this. I enjoy your channel.
Thank you for all the time, effort & expense in performing this testing with the different OE and Melling oil pumps; Impressive video!
On my 2021 Challenger SP/WB with the 392/6.4L SRT engine: I change oil & oil filter every 6 months or 6,000 miles (whichever occurs first) and use the Mfg. specified SRT products (oil & oil filter) that I purchase at Parts at my local Dodge (CDJR) Dealership. I purchased my '21 Challenger new during June 2021, and right now (10/10/2022) have only 5,500 miles on it. I've still changed the oil & oil filter every 6 months. Vehicle is always garaged and driven (at a minimum) once every few days to at least once per week. I've not had any issues but do intend to take a look at oil pressure when both cold and when up to temperature, just to know. The upgrade to the Hellcat oil pump is interesting. Thanks! Tom M., So. Cal.
Great job man! You need more followers with the work you put into everything.
I will say, I was able to get my pickup tube off my 2012 1500 ram when doing my cam swap while keeping the oil pan on. All about sanding down a closed end wrench to where it's thin and bending it like a S so it'll fit over the pan, and under the tube bolts.
Necessity is the mother of invention 👍
@@ReignitedAuto I understand way better to take off the pan, but I did mine in March of 2020, so getting other parts other than the Jay Greene kit was out of the question lol
Great work on this hemi-tick series. My RAM 1500 5.7 reports hot idle oil pressure at around 37 psi. Stock truck. Maybe not all Hemis have low hot idle oil pressure?
My 1500 is close at 38psi. Still wondering if it is worth doing the hellcat pump swap on mine or just do lifters and cam now to avoid complications for hopefully another 80k miles.
That was awesome ty very much That milling oil pump will work on a 04 Dodge Ram, hemi ?
Bought a hoodie... thank you for the content. I have a 2022 RT that I'd like to keep alive (at least until I can afford to replace it with forged internals ;)
Appreciate the support Seth! 👍
I thought about this issue as well especially on the police cars my thought was they could do a idle device that steps up the rpm slightly when parked kinda like the idle up on big trucks
I've actually heard about a few fleet companies who did this, it's definitely another way to achieve a similar result.
sorry for an additional feedback. something I thought about and the end of this awesome technical video, is that this is my first truck with auto start, and i live in Colorado with cold winter weather
I also have heated seats and auto climate control. that being said I use the auto start all winter long and the truck will idle for 10? minutes before it shuts itself off.... I wonder how many other hemi owners do the same, and are we the highest # of cam failures? hummmmm
I think the people most at risk are those who idle excessively when the engine is already at operating temperature so the oil is already at its thinnest. Mainly fleet type vehicles. and when I'm talking about excessive idling I mean 1hr+ 👍
Idle oil pressure has not been a problem for Ford 4.6 2V for a very long time.
WATCHED BEFORE SIGNING IN. GREAT VIDEO. THANK YOU.
If I ever have lifter failure I will be adding hellcat oil pump for sure.
Thank you for dedication and explains. Appreciate! However, my measurements do not fit this concept. I drive '14 R/T from it's day one, and I do notice a tick on idle, not extremely loud. After driving today 30 min city cycle (low speeds, continuous start / stop on traffic lights), I let the car to idle 2 mins and took numbers: Oli Temp - 215 F, Oil Pressure - 42.3 psi . The car is stock, but with Mopar CAI.
Dam bro….excellent video….im currently having to do the lifters and cam on my 2014 ram…u just debunked chrysler fatal flaw …i had suspicions …..but u solved that……. yes i will get the hellcat pump….thank you for your hard work !!
Thank you so much my friend for this amazing content love your videos huge fan from iraq baghdad keep up the good work
Thanks for watching Hussain! 👍
Thanks my guy just installed the hellcat oil pump in my 2015 RAM 1500 SPORT
Thank you for all the clarification extremely useful information in this video 😮💨✊🏽, if only the gen 3 hemi wasn’t so problematic
1 thing I take a bit of an issue with is oil psi is not solely created by the oil pump. The majority of oil psi is created in the engine itself by the clearances of the bearings. Ex. You can easily have a brand new hight volume pump on a worn out engine that will give you 0 psi. Upgrading the pump will provide the engine a higher volume of oil but not necessarily higher oil psi
He did cover that in an earlier video
Well pressure and volume are related but not the samething. Its kinda glossed over on this topic.
I just bought a 2015 Ram 1500 Sport that had a new engine installed in January due to engine (camshaft failure). Previous owner was unaware of the “Hemi tick” issues but did say it had been making noises for a few months before failure. Engine has about 1500 km on it (~1000 miles). I just had it at my service shop and had them test oil pressure cold and at operating temperature. Cold it was 35 psi and at operating temp it was 29.5 psi. Contemplating getting the Hellcat pump installed but think I will monitor over the next year to see if pressures drop.
I run a thicker oil Shell Rotella 15w40. You'd be amazed how many oil related issues it solves , oil leaks , smoking via pcv etc. Works in the Audi's and BMW's too that spec these ultra thin oils that give numerous headaches till you go with a thicker oil. That's why Lucas oil stabilizer works so well.
I'm not sure if Ram had ever installed higher flow pumps for certain model years but I own a 2016 5.7 bighorn stock and the idle psi has always stayed around 42 at full running temp. I also live in Texas which the outside temp stays around 100 F during the summer.
I recently just hit 200,000 miles with no major issues except when I replaced warped exhaust headers with aftermarkets around 130,000 miles. All maintenance done such as oil changes every 5,000, transmission flush, tune-ups, radiator flush and full suspension replacement at 170,000. It has been a great truck and I plan on putting another 100,000 miles on it! I would much rather get an engine replacement instead of buying a new or slightly used truck with today's prices! I just can't comprehend paying $50k to $60k for entry level model!
I don't think you could hear it enough. Thank you for doing this experiment. My 2018 Ram with the 5.7 runs at 33 PSI during idle at normal operating temperature. What do you consider an optimal oil pressure level on idle? I'm not sure if you covered a specific number in this video. Thank you!
I would hope around 40 at least.
I love your videos more and more so much information, I plan some upgrades for my car and you provide a lot of insight that will have save me a ton of money and headaches
Thanks Mario I appreciate you watching!
You are the Chrysler wizard, wish you were in Vermont I'd bring my cars to you
I looked up my 2014 charger oil pump and a 2015 6.2 oil pump and my parts vendor is saying they take the exact same pump. I need to get a high volume pump right now I have a high pressure and high volume but it's not a meiling. I love the time you put into this from one technician to another
Hey thanks so much man I appreciate it! I've had a couple people say that their stock pump has a 16mm thick rotor like the Hellcat one has, but they've never sent me any pictures to prove it. I personally have never seen one in anything but a Hellcat. Good news though, I just got Melling to send me their brand new high volume pump for the 09+ Hemi engines. This pump has a claimed 20% increase in volume, the Hellcat one is only 12% more! I'll have a video out on it likely next Saturday. The part number for the new pump is 10452HV 👍
@@ReignitedAutoI seen that and actually ordered one been waiting for that for a awhile not looking forward to going back into the engine again lol
This was great, I really appreciate you going through everything. I learned a lot.
You Sir.. you are The Man.. thank you for all you do.. I don't like longer videos bc most of them half the video is bs talking about nothing where I'm like get to the point.. but your videos are informative I see a long one I say to my self heyyyyy more info... once again thank you..
Excellent video, like that you took all that time and trouble and admitted a mistake but fixed it.
I just made a 20k investment on a 2010 ram with 210000kms and drive it for the summer. Now? Cylinder 5 misfire under any kind of load.
I don’t have thousands to throw away, super upset with not getting value. Im not naive i realize it was used but this is so common. Poor engineering??? I don’t know but i can say im a frustrated consumer. Looking to fix the issue not just throw money at a problem that will repeat itself. This has to be the best plausible cause snd fix. Thank you for your video. Like and subbed!
37 hot Idle 70 74 at 60 mph. 77 Medium cold start after ride, Sitting for one hour. Don't have Completely cold but I will try to update this review.
Millen oil pump: Thank you so much! 2012 ram 5.7🙏💪
That was alot of work for a video. Your effort is greatly appreciated. Subbed!
Is this "HEMI TICK" problem still present on the new 2022 Dodge Challenger R/T Scatpack 392 and 2022 Challenger SXT V6 as well as the MDS problem on these new Dodge Challengers with the 8 spd. automatic transmissions?
Thanks for the great information !!
Thinking about doing this on my 17 ram 1500 but not exactly excited about wrestling with the pickup tube and oil pan.
Hi Sky. I have question. I have a 2020 Ram 1500 5.7 and at temp of 89 outside, oil temp of 221 coolant temp 212. 600 rpm idle my oil pressure is 33 steady and 60 psi at 3500 rpm. Do you think it worth the upgrade? Maybe they have already improved something here.
Great video, keep them coming.
EXCELLENT VIDEO! I have been wondering the same thing about my 2015 RAM 5.7. Hellcat pump it is. Oh, and I frequently watch vids that are 1.5 hours long so don't worry about the length, people can always FF through them.
Living in albeta, i have to double remote start to get to running temp. 30 min idle.
I have lifter noise now. Building new engine. Getting the melling pump. and a bunch of other fun parts!
I love these longer detailed videos, great job.
Thanks for going the extra mile !
Great video!! I’m looking to get a 2017-2019 Charger Pursuit, I’m definitely doing this swap!!
Another great video Sky! Thank you for the great article, I think I will do this mod on my challenger rt and ram 1500. I plan on keeping both for a long time!
Awesome job!!!! Definitely like the looks of those increased pressure numbers. What kind of mileage do you think would be good idea to upgrade the oil pump? Thank you for all of your hard work :)
The sooner the better because low pressure and lower oil flow especially at idle can cause more engine wear no matter the mileage. So someone who doesn’t idle much won’t see as much of a impact. But it will definitely help with reliability when your pushing those horses racing for just trying to have fun and pushing the engine
Never say sorry for the long videos, love the detail. My videos average about 50 min or so. I can say the hellcat pump works great on a 2016 Ram 2500.
I have a 2022 Ram 1500 Limited with Etotque after 90 seconds the engine shuts off so long idle times should not be an issue. I installed a Kand P Enginering Aircraft quality oil filter that is reusable I can clean as often as I like. Advantages are it cleans down to 5 microns Vs 20 microns with OEM, super magnet inside filter and offers 7 times more flow, at hot idle 85F Im at 35 psi at 500 RPM's 8 psi less than the Hellcat. I 100% agree with more pressure at hot idle is great with and oil changes at 5000 mile Vs 10,000 miles is best and I use Amsoil 0W20 Vs 5W20. Soon to install a bypass filter by Insane Diesel that cleans to 1 micron, more flow more pressure and cleaner oil = less failure.
Dude, you deserve at least 2 cold beverages. Awesome 🤘🤘
Dodge service tech I know had his 2015 Scat Pack cam fail at 40K miles give or take a few 100 either way. Th 6.4/392 Scat Pack engines use the larger oil pumps, so this is not the answer. One would think Chrysler would have drill some holes in the cam galley area for oil to drip down upon the cam ? Cheap quick fix that most likely require a resistor plug here or there.For Chrysler to sully their Hemi name due to a lack of action of this issue is amazing !?
Had a 2009 5.7 and was forced to retire it at 405,000 kilometres due to an accident. Insurance wrote off the truck. I bought the truck with 189,000 kilometres and it had a tick at that time that never really got any worse. At 405,000 km it still only burned about 1 litre of oil every 8000 to 9000 km. The only oil that I have ever used in it was Amsoil 5W20 and changed it every 10,000 km. I feel if I didn’t loose track of the tanker in the snow storm and white out it would have gone for another 100,000 to 200,000 km.
Super Awesome video. I will definitely be installing this in my 2015 5.7l hemi