Beginner DJ Subwoofers | 5 Reasons to NOT buy beginner Powered Subwoofers
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April 28, 2018 - Beginner Subwoofers Advice
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Rick you got a lot to learn you’re talking to guys that have over 30 years experience doing this, you can make anything sound good if you know what you’re doing be careful what you say i’ve been a sound tech for over 30 years what I’m telling you is I’m disagreeing with everything that you just said, you’re in your 20s you got a long way to go no disrespect
he makes a lot of baseless assumptions and uses made up words like "thurthermore." i think the assumptions, as i called them, were probably projection; ie problems he encountered, stuff he did, mistakes he made.
Absolutely agree. I mixed a small show a couple of years ago on a system that comprised Studiomaster GX12 speakers, with a Behringer iNuke amp and a Soundcraft EPM6; which I think is a great little mixer for it's price. A bit of EQ to sort out the shoutiness of Piezo tweeters in the speakers and I was all set. It sounded pretty good for a sub-£400 system. Sure; it wouldn't hold a candle to a decent rig, but I had to use what was there and got it to sound as good as I could, which turned out to be pretty good.
Not even just that it's possible to make a cheap driver sound great with experience but entry level gear opens up a world to those who are from poorer backgrounds. By this guys logic unless you are running a void or funktion one rig there's no point of adding sub. Even adding more dynamic range by adding a bigger driver makes for a new experience. Learn how to work your crossovers and eq. A loudspeaker isn't going to hold the 30 to 60hz range as well unless its loaded with at 18 inch driver. But even then you'd have that on a stand so the highs and mids are at the right room spacing level therefore less sub is resonating the venue resulting in you guessed it. A need for a subwoofer.
I have the Rockville 18” sub and it works pretty well.
Huh?
I run that small $300 Behringer sub, running a live band through it, and it adds a lot! It fills in the bottom just fine for small venues. Including running the bass player through it. You need to know how to setup your PA and the mix.
Yes, this guy is a f*cking idiot. Looked at some of his other videos and he is a professional beginner!
I have that $300 behringer sub and thinking about getting a second one. It is great for me considering I have a small car and most of the gigs I do are under 150 people. Its about building your system for a specific purpose and know its limits.
@@ashagualbance1195 Behringer have made plenty of shit in their time, but their good kit is great for the money. Case in point; DCX-2496 speaker processor, X32 Digital Mixer, the Wing...all very good kit for the price. I can't comment on their speakers, but I've had several items of rack gear over the years; I wouldn't have a Behringer Amplifier as a gift though.
@@ashagualbance1195 TBF he does have a DBX drive rack, but doesn't use it to its full potential.
@@JustinMurta These new DJs' don't know how to use an Eq, so they buy the top of the line subs from JBL, QSC, RCf, etc etc. and be done with it. And they still complain at times that it does not sound good. USe a good Eq, and learn how to use it properly.
This man has no clue what he’s talking about. Bass is base place your sub in the correct place and u will get the bass you want
Funny joke bud
He knows didn’t you hear you can’t transport the subwoofer unless you have a trailer 😆
Dude Ik this is a year late but this guy made a whole video on subwoofer placement
If your beginner subwoofer is drained out by your tops.... you shouldn't buy a beginner subwoofer. Buy intermediate to pro subs, with int to pro tops
The word 'beginner' is triggering me
Me to the behringer 18 is the best
I run Harbinger v2315's and I must say they are easy to transport and they are easy to setup. I've done 200-300 person weddings with a set of these no issues and only cost me $600 for speakers, stands and wires. I have to thoroughly disagree. Not everyone has the money for $10,000 setups.
hey, Im thinking about buying them, are they still good? and did you also bought a subwoofer or u have only this 2 speakers
@@molotowop I have the Harbinger 2315’s. I love them. More than enough sound to rock any crowd. You won’t be disappointed.
I got the 18” in my living room
I bought the same Harbinger set: the two 15” mains and the one 18” subwoofer. They sound amazing, but I cannot fit the subwoofer in my car. I am considering buying the 10” mains with the 12” sub, and returning the ones I have. Would anyone recommend the smaller set or should I keep the ones I have, and just get a truck or SUV instead?
@@danielguzman6934 I say keep the 2 tops and just get a 12 for the sub. It will still give you a great rounded sound. I know, because I do it myself, and I have an 18 inch sub, 12, 10, 8 for any occasion.
I've been Rocking The Bheringer B1800D-PRO for over 6 years thay are heavy 120b but they're rock solid and very reliable. I dropped one of them off a loading dock.. she still together didn't miss a Beat. 650.00 brand new 6 years ago and I don't regret it.
Have the same sub... Pounds every time I bring it out
I just really wonder how one of these b1800d or the newer b1800xp would compare with other subs in the +- 1K dollar range. Like a ev elx 18sp
Btw i have a b1500d myself and i think its great but i havent really compared it to anything yet
@@daleedelmann7804 what do you consider small gig ?
Also what tops do you use them with
@@KaasTube I'm using Behringer B115D's. I've used QSC's and a few others and people say the plastic shell doesn't produce as good of sound. Probably so but they're extremely durable and with some tuning, they sound great. A small gig in my opinion is 100 or less. I tend to do more school dance and church functions both indoors and out with up to 500. The 18" subs do well with the really low frequencies but there is a gap that my tops will not fill admittedly. I'm considering picking up a couple 15's for smaller gigs and a more balanced sound. Thoughts?
18s thumps mackie sound great i have 2 very happy with them
i got 2 as well . they work just fine for me
@@djtorr3z149
Right on
you mean the 18 subs or the 18 tops ? I Have the 18 subs (2 also) and they are great !
@@blackoutdjservice2940 subwoofer 18s thumps 👍
You really don't want an 18" sub to be doing parties. The bass will knock out the other end of the room where people are trying to talk. A good 15" 12" even should fill out the dancefloor where people are going to feel it.
when it comes to add subs to a PA, I think in terms of adding clarity to the sound by splitting the signal in different loudspeakers, to make each of them work less stressed, and by supressing intermodulation distortion. Once that done, is easy to make all the system give its best. If you haven´t been able to get a cleaner and punchier sound even with the use of some entry-level subs, perhaps the cut frequencies were not correctly selected for the different venues, or the level were not correctly set. I asume you have always checked not to have any phase cancellation. My experience comes from 30 years playing gigs as a drummer, and the same amount of time working as a part-time sound technician (I wouldn´t dare to consider my self an "enginer")
What this guy said.👆
I use a Mackie Active-15 together with my Mackie Thump-1000 Tops and the Compliment is Incredible!
I don't think you know what your talking about.
Probably
I have a pair of Rockville RBG 15in powered subs and they work great. I run them with my EV ELX-115P tops and I have yet to have an issue. Only thing I struggle with it carrying up stairs
I been Djing for over 30 years and I have tried the Rockville products and am very impressed with their products.
@@mixdmusic2898 same here ive been using Rockville Powergig speakers, mikes, Amps and headphones for years never had a problem with them, but so many people claim they're crap, I don't have a rockville sub though I do have two velodyne subs I bought on Ebay and they slam! I don't know man maybe The Mackey and electrovoice subs have little musical notes floating above them?
@@mixdmusic2898 I've been a strip club dj for 27 years' and have done some radio,I just returned to the clubs after some medical issues and a good friend buying and remodeling one here in phoenix, they have four of the rockville 18's and they sound just fine, we did add a piece of software an audio enhancer to our cpu which gave us great control over them too.
if I had my choice though id go back to passive speakers with a rack control and amps,so much easier.
and you don't have to worry about the cleaning crew shutting breakers off and damaging them.
which just happened a few weeks ago.
I think the people complaining don't quite get speaker placement and audio settings like gain and Fletcher Munson
Man so many on here upset because someone else have a different opinion than theirs. This is Rick's take on beginner subs, take it for what it is.
Rick, I can see the angle you are going with this. A better investment would be to purchase a pair of some higher quality 15" tops. Those will generate enough bass for what the beginner DJ needs. Besides, a beginner DJ will only have so much funds to start and having good tops will be better than a set of mediocre tops plus a beginner sub. On another note, a beginner DJ will more likely be limited to doing house parties/bday parties for friends and family. A living room, garage, or small yard will not really require subs when you have nice above average tops. Keep doing you Rick, I like your content.
Dude all subs work great. Have you heard of an amp or eq?
This guy's smoke something
@@eunicotadiaman7480 me or the the guy in the video. Btw some subs are better than others. But eqs do help the cheaper subs for the budget djs.
Lmao
I saved my money and purchased 2 RCF 8003 as ii well worth the money!!!
For sure!
A sub won't add "a little bit" of bass. In Pro Audio applications for medium or big (but even small) venues a subwoofer is necessary, even decent speakers won't go low enough or loud enough, especially for DJ use where electronic music is the most used.
Also, 12" subs are a great starting point, you can find them for cheap and some brands make them small and light for portable use. Even a single or a pair of 12" sub will greatly improve the overall bass reproduction of your system.
650 dollars is not a cheap price to pay for beginner subwoofers, it's not a beginner price at all, you're already buying something from Mackie, DB, RCF, JBL, EV and others for that price way past entry level.
I don't even know why you would sell and get something even more expensive than that, better off adding another one or even get a complete 3 or 4 front stack of subs.
Again, buying expensive top speakers won't solve the problem, especially if you mount them on stands, that way you really lose that deep punch subs add.
Finally, there's not "Beginner DJ Subwoofer", a PA Sub is a sub, no matter what. Unless of course you buy Skytec china junk full of lights lol.
Edit: Basically, you have no clue of what you're talking about.
yeah I like rick but this is just not true. Even with loud high end tops, a single 18" sub can really make a big difference.
@@PlasmaNode Yep, I've been gigging for about a year now with a set of ultra cheap RCF Art310s and a couple of dB SUB615s, there was no point in selling the RCFs and buying better speakers, it would be more expensive and it would never have had the same effect soundwise.
A subwoofer is always a subwoofer, you just need to understand how to use it and place it
About to say.. how is a JBL EON 18' now a days 2023 adding a "little bit of bass." Tried one at a small bar and it made the Music that much better. It does cost $1k so I don't think these things are "beginner" either. This I believe falls more under the professional Subs.
True Valid Points. Tops are key. In a band at small venues you don't need subs, you need good tops. EV Mackie JBL are a start. I personally use Active EV 12"s w a Yamaha MG12 Board. I use a 15" Mackie Thump as a Wedge/Monitor. One day I may look into JBL.
this guy doesn't know what he's on about
Agreed. I wish I had put the money I spent on beginner subs into my tops when I started lol.
I definitely need sub
I just simply buy the speaker with the specs I need. And I design and build the cabinet around it. The cabinet built exactly what I need it for. A bit over 20 years doing like this. An always got what I need
I'm glad i did my research before finally adding subs to my system. I settled with the EV's EKX 18SP's
how are they working out? i wanted to get either those or the kw181 but settled for the elx200 118p just becayse theyre the only ones that fit on my backseat
I have the same but finding them too boomy, how have you connected them and what settings have you used?
Those are some great subs. I have a pair of those.
Love my EV 18's glad i bought them they hit hard!
Rick, no! Bad advise. Actually, if you are a struggling DJ and you own entry level speakers, such as Mackies, JBL EONs or whatever, getting a sub or two at a good price will increase your sound level. Which helps your tops work less hard. Even the cheapest subs make a difference. Truth be told, most DJs don't like to take subwoofers because they are big, bulky and yes, heavy - I call those DJs plain lazy, since they don't care about the sound, only about making money - but, subs do make a big difference. I try not to use subs outdoors for house parties but definitely at all indoor venues. Folded-horn subs are made for out-door use and front-firing subs are made for indoor use. If you have a nice pair of 15 inch full range speakers, with a MINIMUM of 300 watt RMS continuous (1000w Peak) then you can probably take care of an event with 50 guests without a subwoofer, but anything else you need subs. Rick, I don't have a problem selling powered subs, but I do have a hard time selling non-powered passive subwoofers - it's based on demand and where you advertise them.
Depends on your venue, crowd size, and budget. When I booked a 150 person karaoke gig , but had no PA (and no money to invest/rent), I used my Behringer Studio monitors (185w each) and bought a used $60 infinty home theater sub (350w). Along with a cheap Alesis mixer & a Shure beta58 I grabbed from my home studio, I was able to run a decent show, and made $500 to put towards better gear. #YGDWYGD
Always buy cheaper gear used, never spend $600 on a cheap sub. buy a $300 alto/behringer on offerup/craigslist for $125, test carefully before buying, always keep it below max so you don't damage it, then when you upgrade, either resell it for the same money or keep as a back up.
there u go
See it comes down to knowing what you are doing, knowing your gear and knowing it's limitations.
Interested how big was the infinity?
12"
We have the 12" rockville sub, two 10" rockville tops and a 4channel siesmic head. I really do not see a problem with this system you mensioned karaoke, thas what we mostly do, and have used this outside even before we got the sub and played with a guitarist live.
As long as you know how to dile in the gear you can get enjoyable sound outa a soupcan if u so wish.
For the most part even some hobby DJing the gear I talked about we own works fine.
I will say though it could use a better head later down the road as money comes available to improve it perhaps
The tops and the sub aren't bad for what they were including free shipping.
Just don't go and expect a rave or rock concert event outa them sheesh
I dont know if this Brand is a thing in the USA but "The Box" is really popular in Germany. The Box TA18 you can get for under 400€ and I can get two of them in my Car. They are really powerfull and add a lot of Bass, even Outdoor.
Also the Resale Value is quite good 10 year old TA18's still go for around 250€.
In my opinion, if you're mixing or playing music, you need at least two subwoofers in order to achieve good low frequency spread and consistency. If for any reason, you consider that the low frequencies are not good enough you should consider adding more low frequency drivers to what you already have and daisy chain them. It is important to ensure that the low frequency drivers are able to play the low end frequency spectrum, between 30 Hz and 100 Hz, at consistent levels, set the crossover frequency correctly in order to avoid cancellations and position the loudspeakers for good coverage and linearity. At the end, most importantly, pay close attention to the gain stage process in order to help the tops and subs system to deliver the full rated power.
Crossovers are so important to get the right sub sound
My friend, I have records older than you..and I have DJ'd since 1978...so lets talk experience...Rockville 18in Subs, with a 4500 watt amp...man I spent less than 550 for all of it..and the bass is awesome. As far as carrying them around..get a dolly or a hand truck...the ones that collapse and fold up in your car. Im not a beginner by far, but looked for an economical way to get back into the DJ business....and found solutions to tempting to turn down as far as price and durability...go Rockville
This video is in regard to powered or active subs. Not passive.
Disagree on Beringer. Is a decent sub.
Michael Gonzalez nope the Mackie is tho seen it in action myself
You guys seriously. Rick is absolutely right. Those subs are junk.
dennis brown I have 4 rcf subs 8 etx subs 4 Martin audio subs 4 yorkville 21 subs trust Me i know what I mean. I have a friend with 6 of em mackies. Not my kind of sound obviously, but those things did do some damage honestly.
I tested Behringer's top of the line 18 inch subwoofer and I am telling you, contrary to common and unjustifiable rumors about Behringer, the items I have used from Behringer have worked extremely well (no I am not being paid to promote Behringer ~ just giving my honest, hands on experience). Such that I purchased another one ... certainly not out of need, but I just wanted a second one. Keep in mind, I have many decades dealing with Electro-voice 18 woofers, Crown power amplifiers, and DBX electronic crossovers ~ so I have a pretty good feel when it comes to powerful, reliable, and effective equipment. Behringer's top of the line 18 inch powered subwoofer is the real deal! Their mixers are pretty good too. Of the Behringer items I have purchased, I am sure they will do better than most competitors on the market. Try for yourself.
In response to a couple of you. I still agree with Rick. I have owned several of the entry-level subwoofers 15 inch and 18 inch and specifically The ones he is talking about in this video. Yes I will agree they do add bass and in some cases with certain rooms they do work OK. But even after running QSC and EV subs I run exclusively JBL 718 and 818 XLF series subs. In my small business which is about 30 or so weddings a year I have found that they outperform everything in most all rooms. If you are Sirius or think you might be serious about being in the DJ business bite the bullet and buy the top-of-the-line stuff. Most all of it is bulletproof and will last a very long time. Believe me at some point in time you’ll want to upgrade that stuff and it will have been money wasted
This guy is a rookie dj. Lots to learn.
how so? if u eq u strain the weak driver in the sub, if u eq perfectly. u stil would not have enough loudness because it is not that efficient and not tuned that low.
@@abielpangga6314 lol
I was talking eq more for speakers. And no they don't affect any drivers. And I also meant amps to help with speakers and subs.
How would an eq strain a driver if the eq is a separate machine and the drivers are built in the speakers.
He tells you to save money to buy either intermediate or pro subwoofers, because your more expensive tops will drain out your beginner sub, what's so hard to get? The resell value also sucks for beginner subwoofers.
What is the definition of a beginner subwoofer could you explain
would have been better advice if you had finished with ,,,,, "Until you can afford to get xxxxxxxxx subs, keep saving" :D
Agreed. To just flat out say "dont buy the cheap stuff" seems a little ignorant. Some dj's need to start somewhere and get small gigs and practice and learn the ropes. When you first start djing, a top of the line Electro Voice setup may not be in your price range.
@@DJSHaKa
He didn't say don't use subs. He more or less said 'buy better tops and rent a good sub until you can afford one (or two)'.
Was just thinking about buying one and was wrestling all the issues you mention here....so you have helped me make my mind up to steer clear
Having any sub allows you to cross over the frequencies to make the tops go louder.
This video is gold- I already made this mistake but I hope this helps someone for sure
I build all of my own speakers and subwoofers. They have a soul that no manufactured speaker has. And they even sound amazing too!
Yeah you video just help me under why I should hold off though I have a big truck . I don’t need it as of yet my speakers do the trick fine no complaints..
Gotta love the QSC Kw181! I just posted my review. Hope you like it!
good video. informative . thank you.
I use the rockville rbg18fa I am a newer dj with friends that run QSC and other high brands yeah the Rockville is not the best sub in the world BUT for 450$ I love it just not the weight LoL 😂
There are 2 other options I don't think that weren't explored with this video that should be mentioned. One, keep your entry-level subwoofer and mains as a backup rig. This way, if for any reason your primary rig is down, you have a working setup that can be used to carry on. The 2nd option would be for expansion. You could hire on and train another DJ to work with you. Expanding the number of gigs you can accept. Or in a similar vein, sell the complete system to a new DJ in your area. This is why local DJ networks are important.
Well rick I just got my 18 in rockville subs 1 day before you uploaded this video and i watch every single video.
OH WELL😐
DJ Alex how are the Rockville treating you?
lol my uncle gave me one , a 18" yorkville i was surprised at the punch it packs, heavy and bulky but not bad
+Dj TNyce i got one bro, i havent used it since my k12.2s can fill a medium to large venue but they kick!
You know what I actually have a behringer sub from 11 years ago and the bass out of this world and it still works. I dropped a DJ Mike Bass mix in and woke up the neighbors. Lol
I came here to thank you a lot for this video, l manged to buy the 10 inch sub woofers instead of those 15 inch and l paired my 18inch subs with 12" tops and my sound system was great later l manged to add another 2 15" mids
I use 21” active Vegas get compliments all the time . I actually put it about three feet away facing the corner of the club I play Insane
I find that Cerwin Vega Subwoofers give out a harder stronger bass.
Mate I can tell you that Behringer is the parent company of Tannoy and if you know who Tannoy is as a speaker manufacturer, you'd expect the newer Behringer subwoofers to have really good sound quality. As for the enclosure being heavy? That's awesome because it's built well and thick. Behringer is bang on your buck for everything.
Alto black 18. They don’t make them anymore, but they are still out there (but they’re not cheap). If you can find them in good shape, you can’t go wrong. My black 18s Shake ballrooms. Totally agree with this guy about avoiding beginner subs. Save your pennies and get something nicer with a 4” voice coil and some real performance.
Running 2 Eurolive b1800D-Pro’s for a while. Added QSC like casters to the backs and voila! A decent rig that’ll last at the rate of events and venue sizes that I’m able to handle near term. Going with KW181’s to complete a full QSC setup in the future. Loving this advice Rick. Like other posters..many have to crawl before we ball!
I just bought the RBG 10s from Rockville. I'm here to tell you 10s are enough needed. With my dual 15 inch rsg 15.24 setup.
The moment I watched I bought one
I don't know my beginner subwoofers that I bought back in 1986 CerwinVega L36's has been reconed about a dozen times and they're still going pretty strong
That's 1986 beginner speakers though. Everything was built Rick solid back then. Not much China products yet
When i started i learned the hard way, wasted money for nothing. I bought the Rockville brand. Fail!
I'm looking at a Samson resound 18" passive sub at a pawn shop for $100 for use with bass guitar.
a few remarks:
1) if you buy PA loudspeakers and try to sell them even after a few gigs you end up loosing roughly 50% of money no matter if it is amateur or pro stuff anyway, because nobody knows what kind of abuse the speakers have been undergoing in their first life.
2) the big advantage of that is: if you know what you are talking about and take a good look you can buy pre-owned pro equipment even in extremely good condition for almost 50% less almost all of the time!
3) more important than “pro” or “beginners” equipment is “pro knowledge”. If you are using top quality tops you can easily combine them with not so top quality subs, because the ears are way less picky in the low end.
i bought very easy to transport active Yamaha tops for 330,-€ a pair, fixed the tweeters with original parts for 50,-€, bought speaker stands for 20,-€ that were second hand but never used, combined it with a used Behringer B1800D for 260,-€ …
… and have an absolutely pro sounding system for weddings and stuff for a total of around 700,-€ including cables!
Wasting money on brand new pro equipment as a beginner would bother me more than buying beginners equipment if you are a pro and know what you are doing!
Prx and Ekx series are the best series for a beginner looking to take things to a whole new level in years to come. Please don't consider QSC. PRX and EKX are not beginner speakers but they are the most affordable speakers you can get if you're trying to go pro in the future. Squeeze your pockets a bit more while you're starting because it'll be harder to do so in the future trust me. Especially if you're going to be buying some lights and stuff.
The new eon subs are very good and powerful.
I think the real lesson hear is to try before you buy. The market is full of examples of where cheapest doesn't mean lowest quality.
I have the Rockville 15... it over heats and cuts off. Playing classic r&b not even rap. Just it being on, playing any kind of music get hot. Even I use the sub as a filler low frequency. NOT even a dramatic bass vibe. Just enough to fill som lows. Ans it gets hot.
Don't totally agree with you on this one. Behringer subs pack a-lot of punch for the price and in my mind are worth the investment. Also, higher end Rockville subs are CRAZY loud with good quality 18" subs and a well made wooden box on them. Although I do agree that higher end subs, such as QSC KW range and JBL VRX range are really good, cheaper alternatives are still worth it.
I have rockville 12" powered sub I got for my mom for her birthday.
She does caraoke and I borrow it for DJing.
Not bad
I have to disagree on the higher end Rockville 18" sub. I've used them live and they pack a punch at their rated power. Same for the high end Behringer, they sound great although they don't have a ton of power. Other than that on the other points I will agree.
I didn't say higher end. I am talking beginner. The cheapest of the cheap.
Lasley Media "high end Rockville"... I've got a couple of those and I'd hardly call them high end 😂😂
To ones opinion is there own. I used to think JBL prx subs were a lot of bass then I heard some concert touring line demos. God damn. You don't know bass til you hear a 36 dual 18 cabinet array.
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wouldn't these small subs be fine for small as hell events i mean 15 to 100 people at max?
Typically the larger the sub the lower the Frequency, so I would recommend getting a sub 18” or larger to hit those 30-50hz... most tops only go as low as 45-55hz
I agree without even seeing the whole video.. Most of the time your adding volume by raising the volume on your tops in order to get more base.. If your. On a budget and cant go qsc or jbl top of the line all around then get a great sub and Go Ion or Alto or even the new lower model Qsc.. You wont be disappointed.. Id start start with a yorkville 801 or Qsc 18” sub..
ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing... In an ideal world we would all like to buy the best available, however most of us shop for the best we can afford. Not only that, the best may not be the best for you. There is little point spending lots on a quality subwoofer that will never see it's full potential. Much better to hire a few different ones and hear which one sounds best for you. As some others have commented, price is not always a good indication of quality or suitability.
I have a Rockville rbgfa 18 it is heavy but it does the job well
Behringer 1800xp subwoofer is 3000 watt, 1500 watt rms and it pumps
JBL and QSCs are the best!
I think it all depends on what you want to achieve... not everyone needs or wants to be hosting events with 300+ people at rock concert levels of base. Of course more expensive subs are vetter duh, but you don't always need the best. Just something that's good enough.
exactly
No need to overshoot if you are not going to be performing at a sound stage lmfao.
I have started tinkering around with some of the alto stuff and absolutely do not see anything wrong with rockville and seismic or even used horizon passive stuff.
I so far have been pretty impressed with the alto skeakers.
Cheap as dirt while still getting you a bang for your buck and not at all feeling cheap they are heavy and solid.
Stay away from pyle though they are a joke.
I mean a lot of companies exadurate the power but noone as bad as pyle.
Pyle just feels cheap over all imo
I mean maybe they have a few jems but not that I seen
Subwoofers are only needed at bigger events, if you're doing house party, backyard party, out door event or small Gathering in a banquet room then you don't need a subwoofer. If you are doing big events like a big wedding at a grand ballroom or a promoted public event in a hall or gym then yes you will need a subwoofer to add that extra Bass and compliment your tops. Always check the size of the location and you may get an idea of what to take. Sometimes a subwoofer is overkill.
Thanks for this useful and helpful advice and information.
youre tripping, bought The box pro dsp18 sub and am happier than ever and it definetly keeps up with my 132DB spl tops no problem .)
Nothing wrong with a little bit of bass to add clarity and roundness to a system. I say invest in good 12" or 15" mains and rent in a sub if it's absolutely necessary
As always, love your videos man. Thanks for putting out content all the time!
Just about to make this mistake!! Thank's for vid.
Completely agree with you, unfortunately I made the same mistake, 18"Behringer active subs, 49kg each and a pig to move and store, the SPL was also way overrated and not what I hoped for, I sold them for a fraction of what they cost me after almost breaking my back moving them, I had 15" Behringer tops and the set was struggling to produce decent levels for 100 people, now I have RCF ART712a's and RCF Sub905a Mk2 hugely more powerful and better sound, and they are not shocking expensive either.
this video is four years old. Rockville, Harbinger and SAV all have very good powered subwoofers here in 2023.
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I ended up in a tight spot and had to pick up a behringer 15in sub.. $800... I had no choice at that time and my doubts... It shook the room soooo....... It really did impress me....
I disagree 100% . I have 2 behringer subs 1800xp and they are awesome going to get 2 more
I have a pair of Rockville 12 passive subs. They shipped me a free one and got a Rockville amp used off Amazon for 200 dollars for my audio rig for records. 4 3 way Sony speakers, two Bose acoustic bookshelf. And I got a bad knob to control the bass. Tells me in the front of my tv stand when I’m clipping which is nice. I think people just need to know what they are buying and price. I spent about 330 to hook up or add passive subs to my system
Sorry Rick but on this one im going to have to dissagree with you, at least on the price advice, expensive is not always good, as an electromechanical engineer I research a lot in to DJ equipment and some of the top end expensive speakers are the the same component wise as some of the low budget ones, only small cosmetic or addons changes make the high end "high end" my advice is research-research-research and compare, do your home work don't just go for the high price, you may end up broke $$ and disappointed
Very aware of that statement. That is one of the trades of me trying to make a short concise video. Brands like JBL and EV. Are using a lot of the same components found in there higher end stuff. But my concises is more aimed at the 200 questions I have got about buying really low end Rockville, harbinger, behringer active subs. Just trying to set a rule of thumb. Not an absolute.
Party Realm thank you sir rick seems cool but sometimes I wonder if you tubers are just hungry for content and just throw some shit out there as a conversation piece and not really good advice all the time... it’s way too many variables to make that opinion law ...I dont want chest pounding bone crushing bass I just need enough where my tops fall off the subs pick up I got two alto 18s and people love them I only use one most of the time also a little behringer 12 inch and that little things rocks most weddings with two 12 inch tops and small club bars hey and maybe me and my clients are dumb but they are Paying good money so I’ll go with what’s working
I remember sleeperawaken36 finding a superior compression driver in his Behringer cabs to his JBL ones. And Alto black 18 seem to be getting good reviews! I would avoid Skytec subwoofers though.... although am thinking about picking up a radio mic by them.
Party Realm research is always the way to go I couldn’t agree more, with that being said I can’t find enough information about a comparison between the jblsrx812p or the qsck12.2 as I am looking to get something smaller but that packs a punch( I currently have jbl615eon) do you have any insight? thanks
I somewhat agree ...but, usually the higher end brand maintains quality parts. Because of the reputation of the brand they have better quality control. Some brands have no problem with sacrificing a well made woofer and they easily get overpowered overheat and blow. I'm not even going to get into cheap speaker cold solder joints...smh
My 1st sub an active powered 15' sub did well "SHORTLY' the cabinet design sucked and the thing fell apart. Thank God for insurance. My next 2 were Behringer 18' subs and those joints rock HARD. Every experience isn't the same. Nice Info within the video though thank you!
2:08 or you will push them more and burn them out. I have done this. Fair warning. Great video. Sorry I'm late LoL 😂
yes totally agree and now i'm stuck with one $500 beginner subwoofer :(
I buy your sub for 40 dollars and i pay you a dinner in mc donalds
:(
Did you go with an 18'?
the used speaker market is bad for ANY speaker- people don't want ragged out used stuff, especially subs, since they've already had a hard life.
What.model tops would you recommend?
Whatever you cam afford.
Depends on what your gigs are, I guess. A 12" powered sub isn't going to rock a club or outdoor festival but I can DJ indoor weddings all day long. I've done up to 300 person weddings outdoors as well. Just set your system up right in relation to the dance floor and absolutely no one will complain about your bass for these kinds of gigs. I've definitely made my money back many times over without killing my back - plus my whole system with lights will fit into a Hyundai Elantra.
Plus, when I'm not gigging it integrates into my home theater flawlessly. Full disclosure - my B1200D-Pro did recently suffer an unknown electrical problem and won't power up after three years of use. If I can't fix it, I'll rewire it into a passive subwoofer. Problem solved.
I got my mom the rockville 12 powered sub for her birthday now I am tempted to go and buy my self a pair of the 10s to pair with my alto 8" tops and put in my surround system.
The 10s go for very little used and Id love to some day find a good deal on a cheap behringer one
I had the behringer ultratone 10" pa/keyboard amp and that thing kicked ass and lasted me about 10 years or so until it developed an audio problem
Timeless video thank you
Call me old school. I try to stay away from powered speakers. I've been djing for 20 plus years and I still stick with buying nonpowered speakers and rack mountable amps. I've used both high end and low end speakers with this type of set up and had no issues. My personal opinion stear away from powered speakers if you want a heavier duty speaker. The powered internals of it seem to have issues in the long run.
There is NOTHING that will beat a solid rackmount amp setup and a quality speaker.s You have way more control of the adjustments of the sound (near you) and there is only one cable to run to each speaker. My weapons of choice are the QSC GX series amps paired to Yamaha Concert Series speakers and custom made subs w/ eminence drivers. My setup will blow anything powered and comparable in size - straight out of the water. Party on!
I have a ev ekx18sp. That is nog a beginner subwoofer
Correct ev ekx, JBL prx, qsc kw. Anything like that is a solid subwoofer
But i have ev zlx tops. They are perfect for one sub
I just got my ekx but I kinda wish I would have gone with the etx. I just can’t lift the etx alone lol😂
What do you think of the EV ELX-200? I've listened to that and the EKX 18. I like the punchier bass of the ELX a lot more.
I haven't heard the ex. But suposably the components in the elx sub are the same as the ones in the ekx.... just a different cabinet.
Excellent analysis on beginner subwoofers....better to rent a "top of the line" subwoofer than to buy a cheap beginner subwoofer....Electro Voice makes a nice subwoofer....rent one for your next gig......see for yourself....Thanks again Rick!!
Hello there.
interesting video because i'm like you i strongly don't recommend to buy budget sub-woofers, cheap, muddy sloppy etc....
I recommend to buy the KS112 for a "beginner" sub-woofer.
When I first saw this video I didn't agree with you. As I begun buying more professional equipment I completely agree with you.
hang on I have most behringer stuff sound wise and your saying that the equipment i have is beginner well i disagree. Have a look at my Facebook page @geckobar55 quite honestly they are perfect for what i do and i do have like few other people a van to transport the equipment. the subs i have or VP1800s yes they are 400 rms but only if you know how to use them they work damn well but i do agree on is the weight.
I got the same ones brother they do kick hard if you run them correctly I love mine
yup true i have citronic cx23 crossover just for the subs alone for that low end thud and when on the dance floor you can actually feel the remanence of a that thud and a rumble around yourself. thanks for backing on this
W.A.B mobile entertainment tell me about behringer vp18, im interested and i want a honest opinion please xd
great pair of subs that i have perfect for medium to large rooms only because of the size and weight. the weight is a bit of an issue though if you have any medical conditions regarding lifting heavy stuff these are not the subs you need. each come in at 41kg ( per sub ) must admit i don't often use mine but if you do get a pair make sure you have minimal stuff to make a great impression. hope this helps
honestly it has lots of bass it is a passive speaker it weighs in at 100 pound for 279 dollars it is well worth the money I am getting ready to buy more of them I do a lot of outdoor events and I want to get more of them be aware 18's throw a long distance if you want sgorter throw 15' would be your best bet.
I totally agree. I bought a crappy Yamaha on Craigslist. It had no depth whatsoever. I now have 4 ETX-18SP and I LOVE them.
i agree to a certain extend if you buy a bass bin always make sure its over 400rms if its not then just use youre tops u get some great tops that gives u great sound to but i understand what u trying to say.some is true some is not
You're totally wrong dude I have 4 Rockville subs and they rock man louder than your jbl's man says the beginner DJ 🤔😂😂
Lmfaoo
You are clearly not listening to his arguments. Low budget subs equal less output. So invest in 2 higher quality subs instead of 4. Who wants to bring and haul with 4 subs anyways.
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You apparently don't know im being sarcastic lol 🤔😂😂
Always that one dude who always gotta be serious with everything like relax and take a joke. We know you have a life outside of music too, right? Anyways its not like youre on a whole different level with this youre probably the average dude with 2 subs and 2 tops relax....
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Completely agree. Buy cheap, buy twice! I dont even look at subs that are less than $1000 anymore. I have EKX subs and they are decent, gonna get an all ETX setup soon.
Lol.....idiot
I just sold my 18 inch jbl prx sub because it's a hassle to transport and set up. Most of the clients don't care whether you have a sub or not. You can do most of the events with only tops. Don't waste your money on subs. Rent them if the client needs subs. If you really want that low end then buy 12 inch subs because they are easy to transport.
Thank you!! I was about to get one of those beginners subs not anymore
Electro-voice Ekx15sp is an amazing subwoofer and doesn't break any bank.
Thank you for this information, finally some helpful advice.
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Thank you
this (and dj Barr's review of the DRM line) swayed me away from buying heavy beginner subs. the EV might not be louder but it sho is lighter which is definitely worth the price.
I agree that for example L-ACOUSTICS KS28 can shake the earth and my pants :D but it also cost fortune :) so not all of us can afford expensive sub. One option is to make DYI sub on some good speakers (like Beyma, B&C, Faital Pro or Eminence) and buy some PA class-D amp. My friend made such pair (101dB efficiency, 1kW RMS each) for 1k$ both.