H&K G41: The HK33 Meets the M16
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The H&K G41 was developed for the NATO trials of the early 1980s, which were set up to look at both rifles and cartridges for NATO standardization (although they did not end up choosing a rifle). The gun is a basically an HK33 roller-delayed system set up to use standard M16 magazines and with a selection of other M16 features like a dust cover, forward assist, carry handle, and bolt holdopen/release. Two versions were made, a standard length rifle and a shorter barreled carbine with a collapsing stock. The system was not a commercial success; most potential clients opted to either buy the HK33 or the M16, rather than this sort-of hybrid.
It is worth noting that the G41 was the first H&K rifle to offer a 3-round limited burst option and the first to use the universal bullet icon selector markings, both of which have become commonplace on all their other weapons since.
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it's ironic that in the effort towards making it more M16 like they instead ended up with a rifle heavier than the G3.
It has less recoil and it fires 30 instead of 20 . The weight was a ok sacrifice
@@edwardsallow6518 You know all this mags are interchangeable right?
It's about the same weight as a g3 actually a little less but far too much BS on it. The hk33 was just fine
the Teutonic Gods said it needed more steel
@@ah64dbeast37 yeah honestly the only thing really interesting me about it is the AR style mag compatibility and the scope mount
for interested people:
S stands for "Sicher" - secure
E stands for "Einzelfeuer" - single shot
F stands for "Feuerstoß" - full auto
How do you pronounce the last one ?
@@edwardkelliher4039 "Feuer" is pronouced basically the same as how you'd pronounce it in an english accent. "Stoß" starts with an "st" sound which is pronounced with a "sht" sound and ends on a "ß" which is basically a sharp s sound, like in "seal".
@@edwardkelliher4039 foya shtows, with the ow like flow, not cow, and emphasis on foya
or S afe, E conomic and F reedom
@@Reinecke32 I've learned in german military service, that F stands for "Frieden"
The Silent Bolt Closure Device: For all those times you need to silently reload after dumping your entire magazine.
@@SonsOfLorgar You mean for all those times soldiers bring unloaded weapons to ambushes which require at least a little forethought and planning.
@@Munroe031 The idea is that it's always safer to keep the bolt open until you're ready to fire. A second safety, if you will.
If you were going to use the Silent Bolt Closure Device, you'd open the dust cover and proceed to walk the bolt closed.
@@nercksrule Sure. It's always safer. For your enemies. Because either it's safer because your own troops are so poorly trained they can't handle a loaded weapon; in which case they're so wet behind the ears they're not going to remember to send the bolt home when it's time to fight. Or, your troops are so well trained they're going to remember to send the bolt home when they're ready to fight, in which case they don't need that feature either.
And let's remember, they're sending the bolt home in order to ready the weapon *_BECAUSE THEY'RE ABOUT TO MAKE A LOT OF NOISE ANYWAY._*
This is the kind of shit POGs come up with when they're not busying themselves getting fighting men killed with even stupider ideas.
@@Munroe031 no. you have not got it right.
start thinking: you think in either or case.
now... simple as that: it is for the case happening and you will just want to be unexpected as long as you can.
there is NO FUCKING TIME FOR A COMMAND TO DO wHAT YOU WANT. it is just a matter of situation you cant control.
but of yourse you are more experienced than H&K
@@MrTiti what's the point of putting yourself at risk by doing this instead of just using the first safety and keeping your finger out of the trigger guard?
Day 847
Ian is rumored to still be in the HK grey room
30% comments : great. variation of G3 but using 5.56
70% : G F
*WEEB FRONT LINE*
as it should be
핰핰핰
@@SIERRA-sc8mt 100% raifu moment.
Lol
Ian looking at the comments: *what in the world..??*
He evidently plays GFL
@@allengordon6929 I'm not doubting you just asking if he ever alluded to it or there was a slip (:
On the subject of pin holes and storage. During basic in the Norwegian army, we were taught to put the pins from the handguard back in the handguard after we'd taken it off. Kept them safe, and prevented loss without losing the entire part.
you gotta give it to HK, they lost out to their own rifle for commercial success. Meaning that no other manufacturer had a rifle that fit their clients requirements. ALSO thank you HK for letting Ian come over and see your stash of AWESOME!!!
"silent bolt closure device"
They tried a few different styles of those....
"which in my opinion is a little dubious"
Leises Bolzenverschlussgerät ;)
Trigonix ZeNW Lautlose Verschlussschließungsvorrichtung
John Q wollte ihn nur 1zu1 übersetzten :)
Oathed the doggo.
its a cat
It’s a fox
The artist's official comment is "Is she supposed to be a dog or a cat or a fox? I forgot, I was so horny when I drew her and didn't write it down."
@@afelias Haha, but I still go with fox. No way those are cat or dog ears...
it a fuck nugget
I think it says something about H&K's designs when i just see two oversized MP5s in the thumbnail
Newer videos are really good recently Ian! You're becoming a lot more descriptive whilst getting more concise, keep it up!
Somehow that trickled down to the IDF, where they told us in boot camp that the forward assist on the m16 is a "silent bolt closure device"
Like bro literally just push it with your thumb
@@xXponyinthestarsXx This. Norwegian and Swedish G3s (AG3 and AK4 respectively) have a serrated thumb groove in the bolt to aid in closing it, should you need to, because that's all you need.
Love your content you really know your stuff before you talk about any firearm or cannon. Keep it up I always learn loads whenever I watch you.
I've been waiting for this one forever. One of Hk's best looking rifles, IMHO
I hoped you would eventually get to handle them, and I am so pleased you did! Not the best 5.56mm rifle by far (rifle-caliber delayed blowback guns tend to have harsh recoil, especially 5.56 relative to other 5.56 rifles), but certainly one of the coolest!
God man I wish I could get one of those. I’ve wanted an HK93 for as long as I can remember. This is for sure the machine gun I would somehow get a license and sell my future house for... I mean it’s a full auto hk93 with ar 15 mags! Also, it’s pretty amazing how high quality HK guns are for being mass produced. I’d say the same for Sigs.
Good news! PTR is making a sort of clone of this gun!
One of the most bad ass rifles ive ever seen. Love the MP5 look with stanag mag capability.
This would have been a cool weapon to have on the market even the best 93 clones that take STANAG don't have a bolt hold open.
The parts kits are very rare as not many of the guns made it into the US but TSC Machine will built a clone off a 93 with a parts kit. He has also made a C version. They are neat guns, I was at his shop a few weeks ago and he was finishing one up.
@@arvidalexatsinch1163 OP means that once the magazine runs dry, the bolt remains open after the last round like on an AR15 platform. What you described is the standard reloading procedure for HK styled rifles and the MP5.
PTR just introduced a version of this at Shot Show.
@@AnimeFanatic5602I really hope they step away from all the "AR15" parts to something more authentic. Kinda starts killing the point of getting a non-AR 5.56 rifle in my opinion.
Looks like the dolls captured this comment section.
Captured it just like Sangvis Command Posts.
ReonMagnum Heck yeah!
Anything H&K is just awesome in my opinion.
The 33 is my favorite rifle all the way around, please keep the Cetme & H&k stuff coming.
Thank you, great video
Bushman IDW when?
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@@christopherbruderle684 the sacred numbers
Heckler & Koch is awesome.
Yup
They need to make more guns damnit
@@chickenfishhybrid44 German export laws. Not H&K's fault.
@@chickenfishhybrid44 Believe it or not, the intersection of U.S. import laws and German export laws does make for a lot of hoops for HK to jump through just to sell semi-auto magazine fed rifles to Americans. And they've been burned a number of times by changes in gun laws in the U.S.
@@chickenfishhybrid44 HK can be prissy, but believe me, they'd love your money. HK has become the German de facto service rifle manufacturer, which ironically makes them a big, fat target for anti-gun legislators in Germany. They have to walk on eggshells all the time to avoid losing that lucrative defense contract, and selling anything that even resembles their combat models to American civilians puts them in a very precarious position.
Thanks Ian and HK. The G41 is one of the legendary guns
Appreciate it. I was just thinking about finding information about the thing. Thanks
That fire select switch, so honest and simple 👍🏾
The gun it’s self was made to be as simple and reliable as possible . Who cares about the weight if they’re is less recoil . More rounds in each mag. And easier to find ammo . Also it’s just as reliable as the g3 already was .
You wait for years upon years for a video on the G41 and then two come along in less than a week!
Now I want to see this in 7.62.
Or just a modernized G3... and FAL... and all cool cold war rifles.
Well there is Ian's custom G3 in InRange TV.
Brownells seems to be working that retro revival thing ....... I bet before long you will see a FAL/SLR brought to market.
Technically, the HK G41 is just a 5.56 version of the HK G3 battle rifle, but I get the rest of your points otherwise. Would love to see them being modernized(but at the same time, retaining some of their authentic mechanics as well, like having the ability to mount the HK79 grenade launcher attachment)
Modernize G3 ?, hmmmm AG3F2 maybe your choice
@@williamprince1114 DSA is making FAL both the classic & modern version btw
Used forward assist several times in Viet Nam as a "Silent bolt closure device" pulling back slightly on charging handle while pushing forward assist gently several times to quietly seat the bolt carrier.
everybody gangsta till it fucking homete'd
Love the graphical design of the fire selector :D
H O M E TE
great video and an interesting gun for sure
What amounts to a German roller locked ar? Sign me up.
Great video as usual.
That Selector Switch:
Nope
Dat
DatDatDat
DATDATDATDATDATDATDATDAT
@Joshua Ngau Ajang WWWWWWAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
No bullet
Bullet
More bullet
All bullet
well I guess that works in all languages ^^
I can see why that bolt closure thing is useful. For the G3 it was rather loud to let it snap, you could make it go forward almost silently, and then with a gentle tap of the buttstock on your shoe, it would snap into position. We were trained to do that in situations where silence was necessary. That device would have helped a lot there. In german military training, the real purpose of a forward assist would have never been an option. When there is a reason it won't lock, then that reason has to be resolved.
*Me putting all my heart in a sentence* : I LOVE YOU H&K RIFLES !!
*The short variants* : ....... K
Dog??
Cat???
Fox????
One thing I found interesting about the mag retainer is that despite using M16 mags, the mag release is in the left side and low enough for someone to grab the mag and hit the release with the thumb, which is the same type of mag system on the MP-18, MP-28, MP-38/40, MkB-42, MP-43/44, STG 44 and the Gerat 06H.
At least at the swedish version of the G3 (AK4) there is a sort of rifling at the bolt to help put it forward. Works like a charm.
The G3 or at least the norwegian AG3 had 4 disassembly pins, and SOP was to put them back there they belonged(which is also quicker) after disassembly, but the two pins for the stock was impractical to put in their holes so thats why they added the retaining holes in the stock.
Also they had a thumb ramp on the bolt carrier for "silent bolt closure".
do you feel like that forward assist is taunting you?
yes
that thing disgusts me
Awesome video by the way.
This gun is so good looking, cool features and very universal, I don't understand how this piece of beautiful history would fail like that. Would definitely get myself one if these were still on the market, always wondered what an 5.56 G3 would feel like recoil wise and now that i see this, wondering what an M16/G3 hyprid would feel like. Great video, love it.
They are . Gb
It didn’t fail it’s just that Germany didn’t really think they needed an upgrade yet . It was by all accounts a success and if they were going to adopt something around then it would have most definitely been this gun
@@edwardsallow6518 It did fail, it was barely adopted by other nations.
I like the H&K selector switch markings. No bullet. 3 bullets. Lots of bullets.
The Danish Frogmans Corps also purchased the G41, before adopting the Colt Canada(what used to be Diemaco) C8.
We only needed two bolt-holders because of the procedures of a field strip where you are not removing the hand guard in the Field...so you wouldn’t lose the third pin... 🤓
normal people: G41
me, a man of culture: *big bullet mp5*
The standard version fits that definition better.
Nice video. Thanks!
I want a grey room!!!!
michael horner everyone wants a grey room.
Yes, with secret elevator to it...
I'll take 2.
Michel bist du das ?
ok here's a REAL question that hopefully by writing out i'll remember by the time the next Q&A submission comes around:
what's the advantage of a pin that comes out all the way? was it just the standard of the time? attack of the bean counters? seems a better way to make sure you don't lose your takedown pins is to just make them captive.
It's cheaper.
In these weapons, the stamped steel is too thin to allow for a channel to be drilled to put a retainer.
This, of course, is thinking on how it is done on the AR-15. You'd have to weld a little plate to accommodate a little spring and a ball to make an AR-15-like retainer in stamped steel.
However, they do have a retaining system in place for the pins. Only it's for keeping them in place with the weapon assembled. I think they could work with that to make them captive, but I don't have a G3-like rifle around right now to see if that's really doable.
Perhaps the rationale was that you could bend the receiver and maybe even the pins themselves if you handle them roughly? I'd take that chance anyday rather than being in combat and needing to take my weapon apart, only to lose the pin and render my rifle inoperable because I can't put it back together.
If normal pins are bent you can replace them without any tools or special skills, making it easier for a military to distribute replacement parts. With captive pins you either need to always have someone with the appropriate equipment available or be prepared to exchange the receiver over a bent pin.
captive pins aren't generally truly captive and can still be pulled out with force.
@@stanleyjedrzejczyk2966 been there, you pick it up like you are kewl and no one knows it happened... mass of the receiver from shoulder height is not enough for the pins to notice.... as well as the mythical fantasy of stripping an AR firing pin in low light field conditions... nice attempt though... just because someone once told you it was made of eggshells doesn't mean it is :P
@@hhaxden armorers are always available in theater. That's not a legit concern for a military.
ty mr ian for cool gun viedoe
The 3rd pin (in the G3) was put back into the front hole in the handguard when I did my service.
H O M E T E H O M E T E
H O M E T E H O M E T E
Aside from the bolt hold open and forward assist, it just got the features stripped from the stg44 back.
In the shooting video (link at the end of this video) I would've liked to see some close up slow motion footage of the ejection port that would've shown the right moments why the empty cartridges were ejection failures. That would've been interesting to see.
As someone who has used firearms in combat, the idea of a silent blot closure device is very good. To get the device to work "silently" you have to use one hand to pull back on the bolt handle whilst using the other to push the bolt closure forwards; that way there is no "snap" as your two opposing hands create equilibrium. The other style of "silent bolt closure", i.e. the serrations on the front of the bolt, actually works even better because you can control all of the pressure with one thumb. It takes practice, but once you're proficient the silent bolt closure does exactly that. The number of tactical reasons to do this are far too many to mention, but being able to operate or charge a firearm silently (or nearly silently) may mean the difference between life and death.
Really reminds me of a PSG-1...as a assault rifle,that is.
H&K really makes some sexy guns(and this is coming from a guy who's more into aircraft)!
Danish special forces used this under the designation M85 together with the MP5 sized HK33 .
H&K is so cool. The MP5, G3, HK33 all classics.
It's beautiful. I would love to buy one
Damn, that's some nice welding!
It's pretty awesome that it can shoot burst and full auto.
My favorite gun of all time! I wish that I could get one.
Those are quite lovely.
I think this would have been a fantastic service rifle--the robustness and simplicity of the roller lock with the efficient controls of the M16.
Non captive pins can be inserted from either side. For left handed persons the pins can be inserted from the right side, then the body will ev. press the pins to the left into the receiver.
Wowww I got no notifications, can’t find video on your channel and only way I found this video was by you mentioning it in the video today and searching for it. I know UA-cam is having issues (like always) but this is the most ridiculous issue I’ve seen.
I'd love to see you shoot one and compare it with some other rifles of the period. :)
HOEMETE HOEMETE
What?
@@ShogunMongol
Teehee
Just don’t put any Fookin laser sights on it
Thatcher approves
Invictus Prima But his is the 33 tho
FNZero close enough
Something weird is going on with this video, I was unable to find it from my "subscriptions" tab or the channel uploads, I had to search for it specifically to find it
Lately when i click Ians new videos it starts me like 15 to 20 seconds in, when ive never watched the video at all.
This video does not appear in my subscriptions, nor in the channel video page, I get here via the link at the end of the shooting video...
The lack of a 3rd pin hole on the G3 annoyed me so much during my entire service.
Ian if you have any questions about HK G3A3 and what it was like in military service, I have +2 years experience with it also a little with the HK11 (not to be confuse with the G11 )
Such nice weapons!
I've been saying for years that PTR needs to make something like this.
I bet youre real happy now
Love the component comparison with the earlier model. Ta muchly.
I would be interested in seeing the G41 sight radius compared to an M16.
Franchi actually started making G41s under license as well.
This is the result of a loving relationship between a mp5 and a g3
Isn't that practically incest tho?
That thing is cool!
My new favorite rifle
I only live a few miles from there and never knew this place existed!
I asked Larry Vickers to do a video this and you filled the void. Thank you!
On the HK33 there isn't a need for the third pin storage hole since it only has two pins you can remove. There is a single pin holding the hand guard on the front and then a single pin holding the stock on unlike the G41 and G3.
Why didn't H&K use roller-delayed-blowback for the G36?
It might have been neat to see a modernized version of the G41 with lightweight materials like in the G36.
I'd guess because their experience with the SA80 rebuild convinced them that a gas operated AR18 style action was better -- leading in the end to the HK416, the lower of an AR15 joined to the upper of an AR18.
Please do a PP-19 bizon
mybrad78 such a weird weapon. Would love to see Gun Jesus bless us with it.
It's basically just an unuasually shaped and shortened ak with the ability to take these weird mags. I'd still love to see it though
Larry Vickers should just get Ian on one of his russian trips. Ian will probably get banned from entering russia after that though. Saying anything negative about russian technology is considered a sin there.
@@thkarape Larry talk negative stuffs about Russian stuffs all of time. matter of facts, they take Larry opinions quite serious and based on it improve a lot of things. So no, unlike Ruskiephobic people think, they actually quite transparent. The only problem for Ian to get there is the cost. it is expensive so unless someone want to fund patreon for the trip, I don't see why Ian can't go there and return later. and a lot of Russian folk following this channel as well.
@@boocomban hell, RUSSIANS joke about Russian technology & engineering. When you're proud of the positives, you do that about the negatives.
Master
there were some Ingram weapons in the very early '80's. I think pistols of various calbers that could go full auto and had a stock that made them look like long tubes. I barely remember them and not the numbers at all. I only saw a kind of very basic brochure of a page or two
Waiting for the video on the clear guns behind you!
I love some fucking fox girl holding that gun.....
8:16 nice sound
I would gladly purchase one produced in it's original fixed stock configuration, as a semi-auto only, if it were available at a competitive price.
Ian, is there an SMG2 video coming up in the Grey Room series? Always liked the look of that thing.
I nearly cry thinking about that something like this could have been adopted over the G36
Deutsche Qualitätsware ist nunmal etwas schwerer, aber dafür auch robuster und zuverlässig.
*Keep up the great work!* :)
Ja, schon, aber wie in der WWSD Reihe erwähnt, je mehr Gewicht der Waffe, desto weniger Kapazitäten um Munition mitnehmen zu können und damit haben Ian und Carl ja durchaus Recht.
Und Grüße werter Landsmann.
So ist das 💪
Deutsche Soldaten müssen halt stärker sein ;)
Beim G36 haben sie den Fokus dann ja viel stärker auf leichtes Gewicht gelegt und entsprechend stark auf Kunststoff gesetzt.
Dafür wird es dann wieder massiv schlecht geredet, obwohl es für normale Infanterie eine exzellente Wahl ist.
nicht immer......
Other than the giant forward assist I really like the look of this rifle.
It takes everything good about the g3 and makes it better
A fine looking weapon.
It's quite similar to the CETME I used in the army.