I'd really like to see a barlow that was basically the 25 done the same size as the 77 or 86, I like em a bit big. I got my 1st 15 today btw, the Glitter Gold, very happy with it (secondary cost aside)
@@KnifeThoughts A little thicker maybe, but also more focused on the shape of the rounded/bullet nose bolster of the 25. The 25 is very appealing to me visually, but dimensionally feels very lost in my grip. I got the red sawcut bone as well (minus the Bearcat Barlow logo). I just started collecting GEC's starting with the Coon skinner in Nov/Dec, so I'm still kinda feeling out what I like. But I've managed to score 1 of each pattern that has dropped since then, so needless to say I'm feeling pretty hooked. Love your channel Logan, keep up the good work!
I carry all my GECs in a leather slip - even though the late lamented Tony Bose ridiculed them as "Girly Purses". Nice Barlow comparison. I agree about the #25 - it punches well above its modest size. The #14 is just too small for me. I've the same #86 and #77 as you (boy that #77 is gorgeous), but still can't find myself a suitable #15 Barlow to complete my set.
So silly to call a slip a girly knife purse. I'm always suspicious of people who go to such lengths to prove their manliness by ridiculing things as girly.
You know I thought that it might count when it came out also. But apparently large coke bottle hunters often had / have extended bolsters but aren't considered Barlows. 🤷🏼♂️
See my latest response in the separate thread. I forgot to mention, of course everyone knows Bill Howard owns the Tidioute Cultery trademark. I never said Charlie "owned it". But he did control "Tom's Choice".
How come ya don't do more research on these knives......both for GEC as well as the overall history of each pattern? For example, as for GEC, the "TC" originally stood for TOM'S CHOICE, after Tom Sawyer, and how this would be a favorite knife of a young adventurous lad from back in those days ( mid 1800's through early 1900's, the era that Mark Twain wrote so much about. ) Or how Charlie Campagna and Bill Howard worked together to decide what the TC Barlow would be fashioned after, and they settled on the styling cues from the Barlow's made by the old New York Knife Company. But then after Charlie Campagna no longer retained exclusive Rights to the #15 TC Barlow in recent years ( perhaps Charlie decided, for whatever reason, to no longer have these #15 Barlow's made as his own special factory orders ), GEC began using the TC trademark for themselves to identify the knives with "TC" only as: "Tidioute Cutlery". Note how none of the newer #15 "TC" Barlow's are labeled anywhere as "Tom's Choice", because that label belonged to Charlie Campagna, and out of respect for Charlie, it now simply stands for "Tidioute Cutlery". ..........or the history of the Barlow patterns themselves, and their original origins? The short answer, is the Barlow pattern is basically an old English pattern, from the old English cutlers, dating back possibly as early as the late 1700's. Definitely the very early 1800's, but possible even earlier. ........or even the names of some of those old cutlery companies. Many people don't know this stuff. Help educate the younger folks who are now discovering these knives and love them, as to WHY they are so cool. It's the history man, and it's out there to be found.......ya just have to put effort into doing the research. Young people today who like older things and think they are cool.......but they can't tell you WHY such things are so cool. So help em out........keep the history alive by passing the torch. And that torch is the information. It's like owning a '55 Chevy.......showing the car off, yet not knowing a thing about the car. Think about it. You can do it.......I've got Faith in your abilities.
I have done videos on the history of the Barlow before. This was just to show all their Barlow patterns together. But two of your main points about the history of the TC Barlow are actually wrong. The TC never stood for Tom's Choice, as Charlie himself has said (reference his recent appearances on the Catch Bit Show podcast). Tom's Choice was used on the label because of Mark Twain's mentions of the Barlow and because it fit with the actual meaning of TC, Tidioute Cutlery. Also, the TC wasn't exclusively Charlie's at any point. This is confirmed by a conversation I had with Bill and by the fact that they made a non SFO TC (not for Charlie) as early as 2014. It was more of a gentlemen's agreement than actual exclusive rights. Which makes sense, being that Charlie doesn't own the name Tidioute Cutlery. In my other videos on the barlow I've talked about the origins. It's pretty murky stuff. We know of a few cutlers named Barlow in England around the right time, but we don't know which actually came up with the idea of a longer bolster or which ascribed their name to the pattern. That all said, I agree that it's important to share the history of these knives. That's a big part of what I love to do!
@@KnifeThoughts First off, I never specified "LEGAL" exclusive Rights. I know for a fact that at least a couple individuals ( with plenty of financing ) had tried in the past to have an SFO done with the #15 Barlow, and were told "that pattern belongs to Charlie" and were turned down. It was mentioned in just about all of the knife forums. I should have clarified more about how "Tidioute Cutlery" does coincide with "Tom's Choice", well of course it does. I thought that was obvious. I do recall the Barlow in 2014 that was released ( now that you mentioned it ) that was not an SFO for Charlie. I may have even bought a couple, but I would have to check my massive collection. Was that release called "Tom's Choice"??? I highly doubt it. ( I could be wrong. ) But I'm willing to bet that particular 15 was only labeled as Tidioute Cutlery, because it wasn't an SFO for Charlie. So something isn't adding up. Look, my mother's entire side of the family (Pringle........Dutch/German) are from western Pennsylvania, and I even lived there for a time and know how the people are........so it comes as no surprise, that something is conflicting. Just before the release of the #15 TC Barlow, Charlie even spoke about how the TC trademark stood for both, during that year's GEC rendezvous, and someone even posted an article about it in one of the online forums, complete with a picture of Charlie standing before the entire crowd. Or how about the way GEC announced there would be no more SFO's, because they were taking over the vast majority of production, scheduling, and dictating the patterns being made. Yet not long after, we see more SFO's. It makes no sense. It's got to be "a Pennsylvania thing"......trust me when I tell ya. It doesn't mean that the people of PA aren't good, lovable, hardworking people. They most certainly are. As I said, half of my entire family hails from there. By the way, my other half of the family hails from north Alabama. 2 entirely different cultures........you should see the two meet together.......sometimes it's hilarious. Hey, if ya can't poke fun at yourself or your own people, ya have no Right to poke at any other regional folks........LOL.
Nice comparative video. I love GEC overviews of different patterns/groupings. Thanks for the content.
Thanks for watching I'm glad you enjoyed it
@@KnifeThoughts Do you have a link for the maker of the leather pouch?
Beautiful knives Perhaps I will have one someday Thanks for sharing yours in the meantime
I hope you find the Barlow of your dreams!
I'd really like to see a barlow that was basically the 25 done the same size as the 77 or 86, I like em a bit big. I got my 1st 15 today btw, the Glitter Gold, very happy with it (secondary cost aside)
So thicker?
@@KnifeThoughts A little thicker maybe, but also more focused on the shape of the rounded/bullet nose bolster of the 25. The 25 is very appealing to me visually, but dimensionally feels very lost in my grip. I got the red sawcut bone as well (minus the Bearcat Barlow logo). I just started collecting GEC's starting with the Coon skinner in Nov/Dec, so I'm still kinda feeling out what I like. But I've managed to score 1 of each pattern that has dropped since then, so needless to say I'm feeling pretty hooked. Love your channel Logan, keep up the good work!
Ah I see!
Agreed.
Man, I'm jealous of that ebony 15! I do have at least one of all the patterns you showed and mentioned though, so I can't complain.
It's actually bone that I dyed. But thank you and congrats on yours also!
I carry all my GECs in a leather slip - even though the late lamented Tony Bose ridiculed them as "Girly Purses".
Nice Barlow comparison. I agree about the #25 - it punches well above its modest size. The #14 is just too small for me. I've the same #86 and #77 as you (boy that #77 is gorgeous), but still can't find myself a suitable #15 Barlow to complete my set.
So silly to call a slip a girly knife purse. I'm always suspicious of people who go to such lengths to prove their manliness by ridiculing things as girly.
What about the Tidioute GEC 971119? I think this should qualify as a Barlow because of its extended bolster.
You know I thought that it might count when it came out also. But apparently large coke bottle hunters often had / have extended bolsters but aren't considered Barlows. 🤷🏼♂️
Awesome video!! Just out of curiosity, when you said you've tightened up the pivot on the 2AB, how exactly do you do that?
Basically put the bolster between pieces of cloth or leather and gently hammer it at the pin. I've done it on several.
@@KnifeThoughts Sweet. Thank you very much!!
See my latest response in the separate thread. I forgot to mention, of course everyone knows Bill Howard owns the Tidioute Cultery trademark. I never said Charlie "owned it". But he did control "Tom's Choice".
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Thanks for watching!
How come ya don't do more research on these knives......both for GEC as well as the overall history of each pattern? For example, as for GEC, the "TC" originally stood for TOM'S CHOICE, after Tom Sawyer, and how this would be a favorite knife of a young adventurous lad from back in those days ( mid 1800's through early 1900's, the era that Mark Twain wrote so much about. ) Or how Charlie Campagna and Bill Howard worked together to decide what the TC Barlow would be fashioned after, and they settled on the styling cues from the Barlow's made by the old New York Knife Company. But then after Charlie Campagna no longer retained exclusive Rights to the #15 TC Barlow in recent years ( perhaps Charlie decided, for whatever reason, to no longer have these #15 Barlow's made as his own special factory orders ), GEC began using the TC trademark for themselves to identify the knives with "TC" only as: "Tidioute Cutlery". Note how none of the newer #15 "TC" Barlow's are labeled anywhere as "Tom's Choice", because that label belonged to Charlie Campagna, and out of respect for Charlie, it now simply stands for "Tidioute Cutlery". ..........or the history of the Barlow patterns themselves, and their original origins? The short answer, is the Barlow pattern is basically an old English pattern, from the old English cutlers, dating back possibly as early as the late 1700's. Definitely the very early 1800's, but possible even earlier. ........or even the names of some of those old cutlery companies. Many people don't know this stuff. Help educate the younger folks who are now discovering these knives and love them, as to WHY they are so cool. It's the history man, and it's out there to be found.......ya just have to put effort into doing the research. Young people today who like older things and think they are cool.......but they can't tell you WHY such things are so cool. So help em out........keep the history alive by passing the torch. And that torch is the information. It's like owning a '55 Chevy.......showing the car off, yet not knowing a thing about the car. Think about it. You can do it.......I've got Faith in your abilities.
I have done videos on the history of the Barlow before. This was just to show all their Barlow patterns together.
But two of your main points about the history of the TC Barlow are actually wrong.
The TC never stood for Tom's Choice, as Charlie himself has said (reference his recent appearances on the Catch Bit Show podcast). Tom's Choice was used on the label because of Mark Twain's mentions of the Barlow and because it fit with the actual meaning of TC, Tidioute Cutlery.
Also, the TC wasn't exclusively Charlie's at any point. This is confirmed by a conversation I had with Bill and by the fact that they made a non SFO TC (not for Charlie) as early as 2014. It was more of a gentlemen's agreement than actual exclusive rights. Which makes sense, being that Charlie doesn't own the name Tidioute Cutlery.
In my other videos on the barlow I've talked about the origins. It's pretty murky stuff. We know of a few cutlers named Barlow in England around the right time, but we don't know which actually came up with the idea of a longer bolster or which ascribed their name to the pattern.
That all said, I agree that it's important to share the history of these knives. That's a big part of what I love to do!
@@KnifeThoughts First off, I never specified "LEGAL" exclusive Rights. I know for a fact that at least a couple individuals ( with plenty of financing ) had tried in the past to have an SFO done with the #15 Barlow, and were told "that pattern belongs to Charlie" and were turned down. It was mentioned in just about all of the knife forums. I should have clarified more about how "Tidioute Cutlery" does coincide with "Tom's Choice", well of course it does. I thought that was obvious. I do recall the Barlow in 2014 that was released ( now that you mentioned it ) that was not an SFO for Charlie. I may have even bought a couple, but I would have to check my massive collection. Was that release called "Tom's Choice"??? I highly doubt it. ( I could be wrong. ) But I'm willing to bet that particular 15 was only labeled as Tidioute Cutlery, because it wasn't an SFO for Charlie. So something isn't adding up. Look, my mother's entire side of the family (Pringle........Dutch/German) are from western Pennsylvania, and I even lived there for a time and know how the people are........so it comes as no surprise, that something is conflicting. Just before the release of the #15 TC Barlow, Charlie even spoke about how the TC trademark stood for both, during that year's GEC rendezvous, and someone even posted an article about it in one of the online forums, complete with a picture of Charlie standing before the entire crowd. Or how about the way GEC announced there would be no more SFO's, because they were taking over the vast majority of production, scheduling, and dictating the patterns being made. Yet not long after, we see more SFO's. It makes no sense. It's got to be "a Pennsylvania thing"......trust me when I tell ya. It doesn't mean that the people of PA aren't good, lovable, hardworking people. They most certainly are. As I said, half of my entire family hails from there. By the way, my other half of the family hails from north Alabama. 2 entirely different cultures........you should see the two meet together.......sometimes it's hilarious. Hey, if ya can't poke fun at yourself or your own people, ya have no Right to poke at any other regional folks........LOL.
Heck yeah brother
Love the info both of you guys share. Thank you
Thank you for the kind words. Wishing you & your family a happy & healthy new year. @@larrymackerethjr.3812