13 Fishing Concept Z Hype??? Can it cast 100 yards?
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Sometimes initial impressions don't tell the whole story. However certain things are hard to ignore. Lets discuss this hugely anticipated bearingless baitcaster and see how she throws
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That chatter sound is when the spool shaft starts to hammer around inside of the loose CZBushing. First of the cast the momentum and balance keeps it "floating" almost, then as it slows the spool shaft is hammering around in there bouncing around.
+Daniel Dean that is 100% exactly my thought
The "floating" part you're talking about is probably the spool whine and the chatter at high speeds, then turns into a rattle as it slows down. ...like anything on a spindle that's rattling in a loose tolerance and sped up.
Yes that sounds better put. In a bearing supported reel, even though the weight of the bearings doesn't really affect the spool much, they work as a tighter tolerance piece that helps translate the momentum at a much smoother, less rattling motion.
Come to think of it, I am gonna tell everyone to buy them where I will have the better reels and catch more fish. I'm starting to not wanna share secrets when morons down here will eat a 5lb female during the spawn.
therein lies the problem of plastics. If this tolerance isn't lost in slight deformations (same reason glass lenses are optically superior to plastic eyeglass lenses - tightening frame flexes them), it is lost during physical stresses of fighting a fish which is why 99% of reels worth using have metal frames and metal drive side cover plates. and some will have metal palm side covers also.
For this reason, I think the new Bantam MGL Shimano reel on the way will be awesome. Its whole body is aluminum and there isn't really a non handle sideplate, only a cover that frees the spool (closer in diameter to the spool's size, way smaller than a full sideplate). The SV103 had an aluminum sideplate and was legendary, my old Tatula Type R (big one) has an aluminum sideplate and it is extremely tough. My Zillion's and most others now only employ aluminum for the frame; both sideplate's are carbon or composite.
I really wanted to like this reel. Disappointed in 13 really. Thanks for the honest unbiased review.
To you guys saying "who reels like that" or "he's reeling in to aggressive on the reel" haven't been fishing long enough! If your pitching out a jig to a spot and you miss the hook set and you wanna pitch back asap what do you do??? You reel back as fast and as aggressively as you can to pitch back right! That's what he's doing! He's showing you what the reel can and can't handle! I'm glad I passed on this reel and bought a Curado K. I knew from the start this reel wouldn't be all that! The older Shimano Bushing reel, look at where Shimano went with that!!! They stopped making it! Awesome video keep your reviews coming!
Yeah that's hilarious.
I just bought the big one, the Z3. Very happy with it and have no problems with it nor the “problems” shown here. I have an Abu revo3 beast, toro 2 beast 50 and the Z3 for my swimbaits. Sold my Calcutta 400 after using the Abu. Brakes at max and tension too loose. I can make my 3 & $400 dollar reels do that. They’re only about $125 now.
I can only imagine that slop getting worse as the reel gets used and those bushings get worn down. If any of my reels made that noise I'm returning it.
Surprise surprise, the hype train was real but the reel was not. Gotta hand it to 13 though, they know how to market on the cheap. Can't wait for the full teardown review...
Unless my post on tackle tour failed to post....They removed my casting comparison results from today throwing other lures.
lol that doesn't surprise me one bit
My reel doesn’t have these problems at all it’s nice and tight when reeling in doesn’t sound sloppy and very very smooth I’m sorry to see yours is like this
Saltwater fishing requires shielded / sealed ceramic bearings / stainless or marine bronze gears / sealed frames / sealed housing / sealed. Did I mention sealed ? A bearing less system w/ polymer will not corrode, but the compromise is quite obvious -- slop. Van Staal should design a low-profile saltwater baitcaster. Seigler SM "star mag" is probably the greatest conventional casting reel available. 40 lbs. drag, mag control, saltwater / surf specific and easily capable of handling inshore and offshore species.
Out of all the videos I’ve watched about this reel, you are the first person to say anything about that noise. Wish I saw this before I bought it but I can say I bought mine for 89 bucks. For 89 bucks fishes fine but if I paid 200 I would be disappointed.
I bought one for $100 4-5 years ago. Still works and cast well enough for me. Bought it to use in the saltwater and it has exclusively been used for that. Don't have to worry about it getting wet in the kayak and is really lightweight for shore fishing. The finish sucks and it chipped and scratched easily.
Does it match my tranx 200 , coastal SV, or lexas? No .
End of the day I'm pleased with it and will use it till it breaks. Which might be sooner than later. Last night the clutch didn't want to engage sometimes with the handle.
Same thing happened to my daiwa aird coastal 100 after 5 years of saltwater use. Wish they still made that reel or parts for it.
The only advantage I see to bushings is for inshore guys and super cold weather which makes bearings move slower. For me, I live 8 hours from the ocean and it's warm pretty much all year so I'll take a curado 70 or 200 all day
I thoroughly enjoy the candidness of your first impressions.
I got one in the mail today. I fished with it and it 100% was not making those noises. I don't care for how light it feels, and it doesn't feel as substantial when reeling lures in.
You just saved me $200 and the hassle of re selling it on eBay.
I'll take a zillion or curado any day over this.
This is a Zero in my tackle box , after hearing this real sound like that,,,
Made by Fisher price ?
Nah...Sunkinst!
Using plastic bushings as a raceway for a metal part lol. 13 Fishing is the Apple of the fishing tackle world. That noise is the spool shaft jumping around in there because the tolerance is so loose. If they tightened up the tolerance the noise would be less but the bushing would wear down faster from contact and heat.
Thank you for helping us save money!
You are a Saint! Keep up the great work.
Thanks Joe!!
Mine doesn’t sound like that even when I reel as fast as I can. Not sure what’s up with yours.
Tell me about it I freakin love mine! 👍
Dude has a ton of d*** riders I have a sport z and z neither do any of that lol but I don't throw 30 pound braid on a 100 foot rod either lmao .
I have a concept z, curado dc, scorpion dc, metanium dc, and chronarch mgl. My concept works perfect and is just as smooth as micro module and it’s my quietest real other than the chronarch mgl.
Great review. The reel is very noisy casting as well. I’ll stick to my curado k.
I noticed they do sound a little like a DC reel when casting. I casted mine for the first time the other day and noticed it. However, the sound it makes while reeling happens to most reels when you reel them fast like that.
Do you still like it .. I'm debating getting one
@@skinnysfishin7066 - I had no problems with it, but I did end up selling it because I bought too many reels and had to get rid of some. I do prefer a Shimano or Daiwa.
Would you buy it for 120 bucks because it's on sale on Amazon I either get one of them or a shimano slx
And does it make a sound like the video said
@@skinnysfishin7066 - No, not for $120, I paid $70 for mine brand new from Dicks Sporting Goods, they are on sale for $100 all the time.
When you tighten the spool tension knob, the slop goes away. Realized, it takes a few turns before it starts actually applying pressure.
Adding spool tension will help rid of the knock of the spool and some of the slap between the spool shaft pin and pinion gear....But spool tension kills distance....and changes when you release your thumb off the spool casting lighter lures....If every one of my reels had no spool tensioner...and allowed for a slight bit of lateral play...I'd be perfectly happy :)
I swapped the CZB bearings out for ball bearings earlier and the handle lean disappeared entirely. All it took was replacing one CZB at the base of the handle shaft exactly as I suspected....And the reel feels better than it did out of the box. I filmed 10x magnified up close footage showing how much slop there is between all the czb's and the part they support. The only way you could say this reel feels as refined as something from shimano or daiwa is if you fell asleep on your arm funny and started fishing while your arm was still numb....Like or hate shim/daiwa....they are in a different realm in terms of fit finish and feel. Sure there are duds...but overall...I don't think this reel is as special as the hype train conductors led people to believe
I admit I was buying the hype, especially after watching some sponsored reviews, so I'm thankful for unbiased reviews, such as yours and The Reel Test. You saved me from some serious G.A.S. and wasting $200.
I sent mine back to tackle warehouse because it was loud when I wound it...I never even put line on it. When I pulled the spool and wound it it clattered bad. I have a concept c that I really like, but was super disappointed with this reel.
If you crank almost any reel as hard as you did in this vid it will make that noise
Watch this..I time stamped it.....this is a 40$ reel consisting of parts from other cheap eom reels. Big difference.
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Ahh yeh nah, they dont make that noise 😂
I actually just tried cranking that hard with a Curado K, Daiwa Tatula Type R and Lew's Pro G and all of them sounded exactly like the Z when cranked with the intensity shown in this video.......
My 36$ kastking royal legend doesn't make the knocking sound lolol
Biggie Smalljaws Both of my reels don't make that noise. I understand if the reel is dirty and not oiled then maybe..
Thanks you saved me a ton of money and your roasts in this vid were hilarious.
I figured out the sound it makes....Is this reel equipped with a Jake Brake? LOL
lol
I would show them your issues and send them the reel back for repair or have them send you a new one (After all you just spent $200 on a new reel). Yes I know he's sponsored by them but, Flukemaster's Concept Z sounds flawless
Brian Robinson I literally just watched Flukes vid and had the same thought.
would you mind sharing a link? The video review I watched...there's only music and no sounds of the reel....And for him to claim a 30 foot win for the Z.....that is without a doubt subjective and purposefully achieved. Sorry....but if i can take a 40$ reel and out cast it at over 250 feet....and he's throwing maybe 130 to 150....an extra 30 feet can be achieved by turning the brake on the lews and other reel up just 2 or 3 clicks...and you wouldn't be the wiser.
You could also add a drop of oil to the spool bearings and slow them down massively (oil acts as a brake if too much is added)
Whattup Biggie, see the reply to Brian...And if you don't mind sharing a link i'd appreciate it.
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Thanks. Yeah that is the one I thought you two were referring to. There is no sound at least not of the reel or anything i could hear over the music. Unless I missed it...
Love your honest reviews. Would also love to see you open up the concept z and tinker around the insides
i am so thankful that you are testing and trying stuff out for us man! i just got myself a shimano metanium mgl wohoo!
You're welcome. I just watched some dudes review on it Kickin their basstv....My god that guy is clueless...saying it's the furthest casting reel he's ever thrown....and needs no thumb no and underspin....That means it's overbraked and by default not casting to it's or any other reels potential....You're gonna love that reel! Congrats on the new baby
Thanks man. and ye i guess its hard to find people/reviewers that arent bought or getting paid. Keep up the good work!
I'm so glad you did a review of this reel, and suspected exactly the response you had with it. When it first came out I was dead set on getting a couple but my gut told me to stay with the tried and true legends of the market like Diawa or shimano. I didn't believe for a second it could sit at the same price point QUALITY LIKE THE DIAWA tatula or the shimano curado/chronarch !, and if any of you call me a fanboy of Shimano or Diawa I would say why wouldn't I be? I have invested a lot of cheddar in my reels and can say with an honest heart. I got exactly what I hoped I would at the prices I paid.
Keep in mind this wasn't a review. This was just seeing if the shills and advertising lived up to the longest casting smoothest reel on ever garbage. Which it isn't m. But it is indestructible. Best low pro I've used if it's gonna get salty and sloppy
Thats cool that you found what the issue was. Pretty cool reel
You’re critique of 13 fishing is spot on. I have 3 inceptions. They are the same way, loose. I also have a curado i and k models. I know they cost $50 more but they are much tighter and refined reels. They never chatter on retrieve. My inceptions do. Also the paint on my inceptions handles start to chip under the nuts. The only thing on my shimano is the brakes in the i need to be cleaned and lubed twice a year. But I fish a lot so that’s kind of expected. Not to mention my curado out cast the inceptions even with boca ceramics. Good reviews. Piss the haters.
i have this real and i love it. mine make the retrieve noise but not the casting one and i have 22 freinds that have this real and theres dont make either noises. Im taking miine back to get a new one
nice video man. We all have our own opinons me and my freinds all love it thats our opions.
Thanks for sharing your findings! I’ve got an A3 and didn’t really like it all that much too. Funny you should mention Okuma because a bunch of OEM reels comes from the same factory that churns out Okuma.
Thank you for the video.
I was just about to purchase this reel today but wanted to get an honest opinion on the Z before making the purchase. I have read and seen a lot of "marketing" videos. I fell into the "I must have that reel" feeling. I really don't need another reel, I just want the newest evolution in reels, I guess........ I think I will hold off until 13 Fishing refine the reel a bit more and stick with my Lews for now. A lot of other similar comments at Tackle Warehouse convinced me that the "chatter" could be annoying and lets face it, you have to LOVE your reel in order enjoy your day on the water.
0:45 that could also be the spool pin against the "pinion grooves". when the distance between the pinion grooves is machined too wide due to poor quality control the pin just tilts forwards and backward on retrieve. I have a chinese replica of the old zillion 100 with the magforce V- it has that issue. Bought it for 22 Eur in the winter time for capital upgrading, to keep the hands busy. There is no easy way to fix that. But if it's the handle play or knob play, a spacer or two is all you need. But I guess the word of the guy holding the reel is on top.
I thought initially in the vid it could be that. Which is why i tightened the tensioner. And it still persisted. Its a combination of things. The reel is and forever will be rickety since all the bushing tolerances are awful. But it's a tank of a reel. Probably the most indestructible reel in the low profile game today.
Theres always one
Purchased 2 of these reels in 2018 because i was looking for alternatives to bearing since they are used for saltwater wade fishing. One of the reels does exactly what is described in Tackle Advisors report. The other one doesn’t.... after using them for approx one year i would not recommend. Casting distance is ok but I’m getting more distance with much better performance from my LEWs inshore SSN1SH reels. LEWs internals have some weakness with the main gear which i found small fractures in. Planning to trash the one that has issues and sell the other As is...
I still bought one for inshore fishing. They should've marketed this reel for saltwater anglers instead of as a long distance caster. IMO it's still a good reel for the corrosion resistance properties alone
It sure is... Things a lightweight tank. Casts OK... But the nonsense spewed on the marketing end by bass pros and shills was a joke
I have the z 3 and it's proving even better on all fronts
@@TackleAdvisors Dude on a second thought I can't get over the noise. What can be done about it? Also the black finish on the spool is flaking off I contacted customer support they told me I can buy a new spool or send the whole reel in for repairs. I told them I would remove the faulty spool and replace it with a Curado K or Curado DC and never buy a 13 Fishing product ever again
@@Sgt6217 are you referring to the chattering sound on the cast or it being kinda rickety on the retrieve? If you oil the bushings they'll quiet down a dad temporarily and the buzzy sound from the brakes can be quieted down in the same way...
I was going to pick one up because I am a sucker for that color, however, after a lot of research, its basically using a sleeve bearing instead of ball bearings. I'm not an engineer, but have dealt with fans and sleeve bearings are usually the solution for lower costs. Why? Its a not precision part when compared to ball bearings. Without going on and on, just google the differences between sleeve and ball bearings, you'll never want a sleeve bearing in a reel. If the reel was < 50.00, that's fine, 200.00? Look at a Concept A or a ONE3 if you want a 13 reel.
my tatula type R does the same thing. but it doesn't happen when I reel at a reasonable fishing pace. Fishing reels aren't meant to be reeled that quickly. I bet if you fish it: Cast, retrieve, and catch a fish. The noise wont happen. Unless you have to reel in very quickly. :)
The handle lean and the spool slop are part of the design. That's what was causing the clack sound....under load and stead retrieve i'd hear it....the casting is just flat out noisy. In a heavy wind 20 feet away the buzz can be heard loudly.
no way around it. I replaced a czb bushing with a bearing at the base of the handle and it made a noticeable difference. I wasn't over exxagerating anything in the vid. I'm workin on the review now after putting tons of time on it. Stick with your tat R
hahaha ewww well then, that's gross. yeah tatula R is pretty good but the tatula CT is even better in my opinion. just goes to show that more money doesn't always mean more quality. HUGE thankyou to people like you that test reels before others buy it :)
I knew this reel wasn't going to live up to the hype lmao! Thanks so much for putting the hype down
Since I’m a dumbass with a mill and a lathe. I’m thinking about getting some oil impregnate bronze and making some loose ass bushings for my Curado K. To seeing if I can get to cast 100 yards.
Lmao while you at it make some for the drag car and you'll go faster lol with more control
If one of your subs is a machinist. You should see if you can get someone to make you some brass journal bearings and I bet that they would work better then those bearings. Lightly oiled of course. Actually I think they have graphite infused brass or all graphite for that matter.
Thanks for the no bs review. I was really excited about this reel and wanted it for my "all purpose" bass/inshore fishing rig, but after reading all the mixed reviews and seeing this I think I will be passing on this reel. That slop in the retrieve alone combined with knowing that I paid $200 for it would drive me bat crap crazy. Bought a 7' MH Cashion CRT to try for this setup and it looks like a Curado K will be going on it now.
Wow I almost get on the hype train watching those other UA-camrs, luckily I saw this video and make me have second thoughts about this reel. Thank for the honest review!
seems like yall are looking for the most quite and smooth baitcaster that isn't on the market, I've owned this rod for about a year and a half maybe and it's held up amazing, there is definitely hype but in my opinion advertising isn't the only reason for that hype
I’m on my third concept Z I’m having too much faith in it .. first two reels started to sound super ugly on casting and got worse .. we will see how the third one goes won’t be getting another one if it happens again
I purchased one based on all the hype...and that I got 20% off and a $20 rewards card coupon from Dick's sporting goods...my reel is silent no issues...no vibrations, no no clacking and screeching...i dont see any increase in casting distance at all...but it does a very good job against backlashes ...i like the color. I only paid $140 with free shipping so im pleased overall with it...but will i buy another for $200? Nope ...but would for lets say $125. ...otherwise i'd buy a 2nd hand used shimano Antares reel on ebay from a Japanese seller for $100-$125 and get a much better reel for the money (I purchased 4 Antares this way and love them)
That noise would get on my nerves. If anyone nearby was using it and making all that noise I would get up and move my boat someplace else. If you're on the back of my boat making all that noise I would give you two choices change your reel or swim back.
It's a shame because I was excited about the reliability of that new " space age bushing" . It sounds like they need to put a little more effort into the build. I cancelled mine and decided on the Metanium.
I'm still on the fence about returning mine and getting the tatula sv for the same price. The reel was delivered to my house when it was less than 20 degrees and upon getting it out of the package it sounded awful. Line guide noise, spool play, handle play, and just about everything you mentioned except without casting. After it warmed up inside the noises weren't as intense but still worse than some of my quantum , daiwas and Abu reels. The reel does palm nicely though and the grips are comfortable but that's about all good I can say at this point. There is still part of me that wants to give it a chance.
I'm a brackish guy like the other post below and I said i would buy them IFF it had full coverage for durability in salt and silty glacier water and got no response. I can tell the difference in my reels after just a few days of use pulling blades, i don't think a plastic bushing would do well. My gear is mostly mid to high dollar daiwa and shimano (USDM and JDM), but i do occasionally drift away to new brands when something interesting comes along. My latest venture last season was finally trying Lew's reels and i was impressed. I went with the superduty speed spools, normal and wide spool on them.
Same here with the more expensive reels but use the cheaper ones for the punishment of travel. That Lews SD Speed Spool with close to 200 hours of ripping big chopper lures has developed some wobble but still does the job. The regular speed spool combos for under 200 are a great bang for the buck.
I don't have that many hours on mine yet and can tell with 100% certainty that they are not as gliding smooth during retrieve as the first day i took them out.. I chose that model because it has a metal frame where many of the others are plastic. I don't like how plastic frame reels flex and wobble in the hand under heavy load. Anybody who claims they don't are catching small fish. :D
Agreed on the metal frame reels, my favorite low profile is the Antares HG, heavier but you can feel the quality. I have the ported Yumeya spool, haven't even put line on the stock spool and it spoils you for anything else but it's still fun to feel the different products.
my all time favorite low profile isn't even expensive, it's the old daiwa supertuned TD-A. I still have 4 or 5 of them, bought as they were discontinued, but i don't use them because i'll cry when they're gone. hehe. I also liked most of the zillions from about 10+ years ago when a lot of models were only JDM and then you threw on i'ze and megabass parts. Then i got into the smaller round reels which are so nice but not as palmable. (like the 50/51 shimano's, 100 size daiwa's). Although shimano's work well, i always appreciated the all machined bar stock construction of daiwas and felt cheated when i opened up a shimano with all their stamped parts.
Other than some salt water reels, the Antares is one that I love to use because it feels so solid compared to the lighter reels. My saltwater arsenal has some of the all machined reels, beautiful hunks of metal. The Shimano Ocea Calcutta jigging reel is a smaller one that is just a work of art compared to the plastic stuff, although on a long week trip of casting everyday for 11 or 12 hours you do appreciate the featherweights.
Ok, I agree with you 100% on the hype surrounding this reel. Surprised it was so loud on the cast but the retrieve really floored me. I normally fish Shimano and Daiwa and all of my reels sound better than this one. Hell, I even have 20 year old Calcutta's that sound better. I picked up and played with $99 Shimano Casitas and it sounded better! It should sound better and have better tolerances for $200. Will stick with Shimano and Daiwa. I followed your replies on the reel test and felt you were giving some good feedback on his testing and your honest opinion. Surprised he cut you off. Your jab at him with this video had me laughing pretty good.. Anyway, really like the straight forward opinions on all of the reels you tear down and discuss. Keep it up and your scooby through rig caught me some smallmouth and spots over the summer! Thanks Man!
Mine makes the same clanking noise, but casts/reels fine. I bought it because I fish a lot of salt water. I think the payoff will be how it handles the salt in the long run.
The thumbs up is for the honest review. Don't think I can give the reel a thumbs up. Not a hater, it's just not for me. I followed all the hype before it released, and it certainly doesn't live up to the hype.
I picked up 7 of these reels for $159 a peice at tackle warehouse I figured I give them a try I have a few concepts As and and A3s and concept Es and Cs and inceptions that I upgraded them all to the Boca Bearings It turned my concepts all into totally different reels all together I wasn’t expecting the concept z to cast like a Shimano alderbaran or Antares or mentanium MGL or even the Daiwa steez line I appreciate your honesty And taking the time and making this video because I’m sending all seven back to tackle warehouse I was going to take one out and Cast one on one of my new fenwick world class casting rods but why bother you done the work for me To me there not even worth $159 price point for what I paid for them with my 20% discount thanks again you save me a ton of money I’ll stick with my lews Shimano and daiwa Some of my team daiwa reels are 30 years old and never let me down Thanks again Matt
Damn!!! That's alot of orange!!!! Sorry my vid put you in a bind. I received a few emails and fb messages saying they experience the same thing. So Im not really sure it's just my example that's bad
Well they will get them back to tackle warehouse I spent tens of thousands of dollars a year and fishing equipment when I comes to my reels and rods I buy the best I can get Like I said in my prior post I drank the Kool-Aid not that I was burnt buy the way they cast It’s just a lot of hype went into this reel by the sponsors and of course the professional bass fisherman that endorse them we’re not gonna bite the hand that feeds them It’s just plain business 101
Tackle Advisors you were completely honest in your opinion and I happen to agree with you maybe Matt Baldwin from 13 fishing Could shed some light on this topic or he’s going to have a lot of pissed off customers Being that this was his baby and all
he designed it
The reel needs ... " Shimano Stable Spool Design (S3D)
Shimano's S3D technology leads to significantly reduced spool vibration. By designing a balanced and uniform thin wall aluminum constructed spool, S3D creates an incredibly smooth feeling when casting and retrieving lures." 😉
I know that there is a bunch of hype and i am skeptical however the beauty in what this reel represents is in longevity and minimal maintenance. It should match or be close to the curado at first and degrade slower in harsh salt water conditions. It is for this reason that i am interested but only real time will tell for these answers. Bearings will degrade quickly kayak fishing in the gulf. Thanks for giving it hell though. We need more thorough reviews like yours.
$200 Bucks for a cheap sounding baitcaster with a go fast paint job. No thanks. Kudos to guys like yourself who do these tests to better inform us. For the same money, I would much rather spend the lower money on a Piscifun or KastKing & have enough change to buy another 3-4 of them.
yeah my tatulas or fuegos dont make these noises stock. I like their fate black and higher rods though... had mine for a long while and caught lots of fish on them.
Thanks for the reviews, it definitely cooled my jet on running out and ordering one till thing get straight or I find out if this is they way they all are.
Lol.. The way you reel that thing is what's causing that noise.. I've had mine for a few weeks now, it's been completely silent. Not sure if you got a lemon, but that one you have definitely isn't like the one I got... If I was you I'd take that thing back and exchange it.. But at the same time, if I were to reel as aggressive as you then I'd be worn out after the first 30 mins! Lol
Sorry. You can think that. But you'd be incorrect. I can make any reel chatter like that....By reeling like a chimpanzee. But it happens even if I don't. I just had it apart. And compared the bushing tolerances to bearing tolerances of a 1979 shimano bantam 100, A 30 year old Penn Jig Master, a 40$ kastking, a quantum accurist etc. I then grabbed a Steez SV TWS, ANtares, Aldebaran and Abugarcia MGX...and made them clack by reeling like said chimp... Every single one of the CZB bushings throughout the entire reel have gaps between the surfaces they support that are not there at all whatsoever in any of the other reels. I replaced the CZB bushing with ball bearings and it no longer is as rickety and the handle lean is now gone. As far as casting distance claims made by the 13 fishing sponsored individuals....A 40$ reel cast further.
Hey guy! Dude thats crazy!! That sounds horrible....the thing is I jus found this vid and I've already purchased 1. But mine is nothing like that! Ive had it for about 6 months now and fished it 5 to 6 days out of every week and I only hav good things to say about it...maby they hav worked out the bugs by the time I bought mine but I only paid 130 and its a fantastic reel!
Here's what's crazy... The tolerances in a z3 u have are 100x tighter.. No slop at all... (well I had to return one because there was zero freespool like the tensioner was locked down) so there were some qc issued.. It's a good fishing reel all said and done though..
I just handled a couple of zs in the store ,wound it hard and with no clatter and the spool had no play sideways or back and forth ,everything was tight and smooth ,I have all BB1PROS SO no ax to grind ,you must have got a dog.
I am just so glad that I didn't buy one. My original plan was to try out the cheaper Origin C then followed by the Concept Z when is out. Well, I already didn't like the Origin C because of 2 issues: 1) similarly very noisy on the cast and 2) lacks torque on the retrieve even for the 6.6:1. My experience with the 13 brand to date is they make things that look good and try to get you to commit. And I fell for it with the Origin C as I thought it looked cool with the matte white paint job, at least on camera. Even at $99, the user experience is just not good enough. You can now get a brand new Daiwa Tatula CT from eBay for $90 and I can promise you that reel is light years better than the Origin C. Do yourselves a favour, get a 13 Fishing cap, T-shirt or any apparel item by all means, but if you are talking about reels, spend your hard-earned cash on a proper brand that makes fishing reels, aka Shimano and Daiwa. Talking of which, the $200 I have saved (by not buying the Concept Z) will now go towards the brand new 2018 Daiwa Ryoga that I am going to buy when it comes out in March. So happy that I didn't waste that money.
Would like to see a tear down vid, want to know if it's czb for all bearings or just those having to do with the spool
Every one...Handle knobs, pinin support, handle shaft, spool...and every single last one of them has gaps between the bushing and the part that turns in it..Enough that it is not only visible..but you can feel and hear it. Not sure if that's by design or not. As I have old penns and old shimanos (first low profile shimano ever made 1979) that have metal and plastic bushing with near press fit tolerances.)
I forget to run the line through my level wind at LEAST once a week.
My shimano slx was super smooth and tight until I started catching 10+ fat bass. I wouldn’t expect to have precision until I get to that $$$ tag.
The new Curado was out casting the Concept Z at Icast but everyone was trying to keep it quiet. Good idea but alot of Hype
My friend was there to see it....One of my other friends was working one of the booths and heard people saying that.
Only problem with curado is only 11 lbs of drag other than that great stats
11lbs of drag is a very good stat.....Be honest...when do you need more than 10lbs of drag out of a bass reel. :) Drag numbers are like ball bearings......more = more things to advertise :)
OG_CSPECK they all always seem to load one stat at the expense of others and they to get a higher price for doing so.
I wonder if the cold weather makes the bushings contract and thats where the play is coming in making the tolerances change? Really makes no difference unless you fish Florida all the time
I had it apart at room temp. The tolerances on all the bushings were the same. There is a good amount of wiggle room. But I don't know if it gets worse in the 40 degree temps. Good call!
Honestly it shouldn't change much being a "space age polymer" bushing. You'd see more temperature shrink in a metal ball bearing and metal components than plastics and polymers in the cold. Plastics don't conduct heat as well meaning they don't cool to ambient temperatures like metal objects do..... Just my knowledge of science and my two cents so take it for what its worth. 😂
Personally I've never had a okuma reel make a sound like that, i have had a little bit of a muck around with the Cirtix and it was so smoothhhhh unlike the reel in this vid
My baitcasters say Shimano or Lews on the side. My spinning reels say Pflueger on them. I didn't buy them. My Grandpa left them to my uncle when he died and my uncle left them to me when he died. I don't think any reel you buy today will be willed to a third generation unless you go really high end. Quality has taken a nosedive across the board but no doubt these chinese reels are subpar in the mid range market and every bit as expensive. The marketing people don't want reels that last because you don't buy more if they never fail. People make fun of me using old reels, but I prefer what has proven itself over the test of time. Flashy colors and gimmicks don't score any points with me.
I wanna see you tear this reel apart lol, that's my favorite to watch, you amaze me how you know where all the parks go, I just bought a older steez and I need it gone over
i've been waiting for someone to review this without the hype lol. i was really excited about this when i first saw it.. then i saw that shimano has a $40 JDM version and i just wanted to make sure i'm not falling for the hype. i'm posting this at 1.32 minute mark. so looking forward to the rest of the video.
Richard Ilog no the $40 Shimano isn't the same, the Shimano isn't a aluminum frame. The only thing the Shimano has in common is that it doesn't have ball bearings. It is their cheapest reel that is why it doesn't have bearings. Bushings have in reels for years!
thanks for the clarification. but most of the videos i saw were hyping the mess out of the concept Z. and i was super excited about it. i came back down to earth and wanted to see what everyone else's thoughts were. hopefully, i can get my hands on one soon so i can make a decision on my own.
Scotts spot on. These are in fact very differnt bushings. It also is a very light and compact reel with a fairly stout drag. Reel test just did that to capitolize on the hype of the Z. I can't tell you how many emails I got after he posted that video. 40-50 asking me about that stinkin reel..lmao
i'm still very much a budget fisherman. i was looking to step up and i thought this would be my first non-budget reel. i was also looking for something that i could apply to salt water applications and thought this would be a good fit. i'll probably hold off before i drop 200. possibly consider different options.
For me, it wasn't about waiting for reviews with or without hype. I was waiting for the UNSPONSORED reviews to start showing up. If we bought reels based on hype level, i would have a whole locker full of KastKing reels.
Love mine, and mine doesn't do that. Have 3 and a few Curados but I got mine for $129 at dicks and work great. Of course the Curado is better but like the reel for the price.
For the 99$ it was selling for over the past 6months.. It's a great reel... I had a z3 defect that had a spool that wouldn't turn right... Dtemeled it to no avail... The replacement was great until the side plate bushing popped out on a brake change.. 2miles away from the truck on the beach... Qc at 13 is a big issue
@@TackleAdvisors had mine over almost 2 years now no issues. Multiple 6-8 lbers on it. Run 30 lb braid.
thank you for doing this vid. I am a 13 fishing fan for their rods, but not really with their reel. what if this reel was around 120 Dollars?
+raWr Fishing for 120 based one weight and size it'd be competitive. But every other reel at that price is more solid and refined in hand and on retrieve.. At least the ones I've used. I just tore it down and compared it to a quantum accurist.... Stole a bearing from it too and put it in place of a czb at the base of the handle shaft and it now feels better than new.. Lmao
oh man.. well i guess the only reason i want it is that it's my favorite color lol... since i am dirt broke, kastking it is haha :P
Contrary to most, I'm with you on the color, forever drooled over the glowing orange show cars that never hit production. I bought a 2008 Z06 Vette when the Jetstream blue first came out and almost traded up to a newer one when the Inferno Orange hit. Then, when the 2014 Stingray was announced I got one of the first ones; red, they didn't have THAT orange. Loved it but still no bright orange. On the fence for the new ZR1 - WAY overkill for the street but bright orange. IMO the cheap Lew's Orange Crush combo is damn pretty, I picked up the green Speed Spool combo last year for a throwdown just because it was such good bang for the buck. Try one out, very smooth with click stops, good line capacity. I've abused a Super Duty Speed Spool for prob 200 hours with heavy woodchoppers on Brazil trips and a bit of slop now but it still works fine.
Thousands of 15 year olds who joined the 13 hype train will be disappointed to say the least
Its been amazing for inshore fishing. Better than any daiwas for longevity
Been fishing for 30 years and just got my SZ six months ago and now I’m on the train too.
dabeerguy79 Weird... I’ve been fishing for 31 years
Good video nick, that has to be the ugliest reel ever and it sounds like a piece of crap. There is no way I would pay 200$ for that thing.
I'll keep my Curado K, love they brought the micro module gearing to this new model of lower price point reels!
I really like the amazon link in the description that has all the stuff you like and use. Can you keep adding it to your videos going forward? Thx!
Hey Gus, Thanks man! I just discovered I can add defaults to video descriptions So that's what that is :) . And will be adding that going forward. There's a ton of other items that I really enjoy using. I just haven't gotten around to dealing with amazon's somewhat clunky "amazon influencer page"
Terrific. Any chance you’ll be at Striper Day Saturday? Would love to say hello and pick your brain about a couple of surf rods I’m seriously considering to fish the Canal this year. Specifically, the 10’ 6” Black Hole, FSC, and TFO.
I'm not going to be able to make it. Which sucks because I like saying hi to Kil Song. If there's ever been a tackle shill that I support...it's him. He actually gave me permission to use all his videos.....I just never got around to grabbing them. He's a gent! I had a minor problem with my 9'6 cape cod nano not being straight (still fishable) and he offered me my choice of replacement..so I went with the 9'2 and he let me keep my 9'6.
He's been a StriperOnline member for a long time too!
Tackle Advisors just picked up a rod from Kil. Nice guy. Great rod. Think his family is running the operation here at the show. Nice to see small businesses flourishing. Thanks for the tip. Couldn’t find FSC which was strange/disappointing wanted to compare them side by side. Nevertheless, still happy to give Kil a few bucks...
His wife June and daughter usually "man" the booths :) A few years ago at the nj saltwater show. He was handing people black hole cape cod cow specials and showing the pulling power. He yanked down on the rod tip...and the rod exploded after about 40lbs of pressure.....The hilarious part is the guy on went flying backwards through the booth separating cloth....Nobody was hurt. But it was funny as crap!! I first met him in 2010 at a canyon runner seminar where he did a break out tuna jiggin seminar..he let me take his zeebass apart while at the seminar....Gears smeared flat...blew my mind!
I had a couple of Zillion Crazy Crankers that had that rickety sound on retrieve. Interestingly, it seemed to go away when retrieving with load. It was totally that back and forth play though that was causing it regularly. Otherwise, I'm not really sold on these 13 Fishing reels at $200 when I could get some JDM Daiwas from TW for the same price on sale.
That back and forth is in every single baitcaster. To some extent. But it doesn't always show up. If you read my impressions on tackle tour. I think it has to do with the sloppy tolerance in the bushing at the base of the handle. And the handle lean allows for a inconsistant grip of the antirervers clutch. Which allows it to slip in and out. SO you get the handle lean and the in an out. Today I cast a 40$ reel and a 500$ reel doing the same thing...And i didn't experience that sloppyness
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Thanks man!!!! I'm starting to get frustrated with all these turds i've been reviewing.....Hope 13 doesn't send a lawyer after me over this.
Tackle Advisors not gonna lie dude I bought one too😂
Tackle Advisors even if the performance isn’t great it’s one of the most hyped up and popular reels ever so I guess it’s good for collecting
LOL....did you get it yet? Does it have any handle wiggle....Not the in and out...But rocks.
Tackle Advisors YES it does at first I didn’t even notice it as soon as I got it I spooled it up with line and took it straight to the yard but after I casted I couldn’t help but notice the loud knocking of it
I tested one out myself and had no issues this video shows the inconsistency of 13 fishing reels and until they get high quality gears in a sturdy build I don’t think I’ll be buying any more
I don't think there is anything wrong with the gears. The sloppy handle i believe has to do with the bushing in the base of the handle shaft. The tolerances aren't very tight. And it allows teh handle to rock a bit. And it shows up as a clunky retrieve.
Tackle Advisors I was referring to the concept a which I believe uses the same gears as the z which seems to just drop off dramatically in about 3 months
Ahhh...gotcha. One of these days i'm gonna have to get a 13 and okuma apart next to one another. I really want to see if they're gears are the same or different.
Tackle Advisors if I had to guess I’d say yes if not they are damn similar, Okuma Helios wore out after about 3 months of big fish. It’s a shame really
I took apart Lews and they're the same as abu low profiles. There are too many identical parts and machining profiles to be a mere coincidence. weird springy brake mechanism held on the spool with 3 phillips screws, the same spool shaft machining, same driveside spool side profile, an oiling port cover in same location held on with a screw in the same shape notch cast into the aluminum frame, same plastic spacers on the ends of the line pawl
You just save me a lot of money thanks 👍
Dayum that's how my chronarch ci4+ sounded like after a hard backlash..... never was the same again. Heard they said some of the ci4+ had problems. So upgraded to a jdm metanium dc..... best ever.
TA can fix it. I love my Curados, i and two Ks and three Metanium HGs and fortunately have never had a hiccup with any of them. Yeah it's heavier but the Antares HG is a pleasure to fish also. Now if they only came in orange - I really do like that color.
Objective as always, thanks for the video!
My hope is that I'll be able to use this reel for more than 4-5 saltwater trips without having to replace bearings like I do on every single Shimano that I own. I'll take plastic bearings over the crap that Shimano puts in their reels any day.
I have one and it does not make any noise.. Very one sided review. The Orange is awesome .
Review? where? It was an hour on a casting field. And a discussion. Hence the title. I was trying to see if 13's claims of 20% distance gains are true....And they aren't even close.
All these people saying that you and lots of other people are getting dud reels trying to justify it blows my mind. I know all reel companies have duds but its sounding like 13 has a lot of them. Especially when you pay $200 for a reel. I would send it back until I got a good one. Sucks to have to do that when you just spent $200 on a reel! Definitely lots of hype.
I love how you don't sugar-coat anything. I happen to like my 13 Fishing reels (I own two) compared to my Lews and Ardent. However, this has to be one of the most gimmicky pieces of junk to come out in a long while. The fact you can "upgrade" ANY of their reels to be bearing-less means that all you're really paying extra for with this is the hideous orange colour. I'll stick with my Concept A thanks.
Can you try the concept tx? I also wanna see if it can cast far .
if you see this. what reel do you recommend $150-$200 range.
I got this reel for $90 on Black Friday. I'm so glad I didn't spend $200. Still trying to justify the $90 lol.
Lots of guys bought em cheap.....They're being discontinued.
@@TackleAdvisors - Got mine for $70 a few weeks ago at DSG. I passed when they were on sale at $100, but at $70, that a good deal.
I have some Oheros that I got off of Amazon for about $50-60 about 5-6 years ago they served me well.
But I do believe it's just another rebrand hyped up name made in China out of Chineseium.
But they did hold up well.
This reel though some people are pissed at it looking at the recommended videos anyway.
REVIEW UPDATE:
I did hear back from Matt Baldwin via email. While I don’t 100% agree with everything he mentions (noisy casts from my current reels) I am willing to post what Matt suggests could be a potential fixes and some other things to consider. I appreciate his feedback and taking the time to add some more to the discussion.
The CZBs are completely different, not something you are used to using, and not something you have ever experienced. You will hear a little noise on the cast, this is normal. Please compare this noise to your existing ball bearing reels. I think you might be surprised on how loud your normal reels are when casted. The major difference is with the retrieve, its dead silent on the Concept Z. The only thing you will hear is the line coming through the guides. Gone is the racket of the ball bearings. The noise is more acute in your mind, because otherwise the reel is so silent.
I watched the attached video with the sound all the way up…and I don’t hear much. I’m not disputing your hearing a “whirring noise”, just disputing how loud it is. Its certainly possible that yours makes a “whirring noise” louder than normal, but I can’t tell that from the video and would be happy to take a look to confirm. I want to be sure your reel performs like it should. Additionally you adjust a Z a little different than most because of the consistency of the spin, you don’t need as much brake weight or cast-control cap. So loosen up the cap and set your brakes to 1-2 and let her rip!!!
I think your missing the entire point of the Concept Z, as I don’t see much reference to it in the review. The Concept Z will without a doubt give you long ultra consistent casting. Test it against whatever you fish on 10 casts, if you can replicate the casting effort you will see the casts all fall in the exact same place. This won’t happen with your ball bearing reels because you can’t consistently get all the balls to start up movement consistently.(a little more lubricant on one ball, or a piece of debris as small as sand can keep that from being consistent) THIS article was from Chris Payne outdoors via Facebook
Team Shishamo for life! Thanks for the honest review.
Tried a Inception and returned it for a curado, the Inception spool release wouldn’t automatically close
What are your thoughts on the z3? Same?
Nah.. Completely different reel. Much better in the refinement category. Much more solid. I'm digging it so far for sure
Thank you so much! After seeing your casting the z3 in the snow, I decided to go with it for surf fishing here in California. The lightest bait I will be throwing is the LC flash minnow at 5/8 oz. I’m planning on spooling up daiwa j braid 50lb. Pairing with a 7’11 crankbait rod from irod. I should be receiving it tomorrow! I’ll post a video about it since I’m fishing Tuesday for surf perch. You think that setup will cast the Lc fine? I’ll be throwing bucktails too eventually for striper.
Great review. If i were you i would try to get a new one cuz it is suppose to be silent. They have great customer service is what i hear. Dont personally have one. Gonna wait a while before i get one. And i have heard they have the same manufacturing plant as okuma too.