The One About Banning LiveScope - Episode 21 - The Spot Burn Podcast
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- Опубліковано 24 бер 2024
- In this thought-provoking episode of the Spot Burn Podcast, your hosts Dan and Josh dive into the depths of how modern technology intersects with time-honored fishing traditions. From the implications of LiveScope usage to the ethics of angling, join us as we tackle the hard-hitting questions submitted by you, our listeners, and navigate the current swirls in the Wisconsin Conservation Congress (WCC) and DNR's annual Spring Survey.
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The modern world is a never ending series of slippery slopes. Are we getting any better at making the right decisions?
In some places, yes; others decidedly no.
Self interest is significant factor...
You guys always have great conversations. I like how it always comes back to conservation and how do we keep our fellow planet cohabitants healthy. While I’m not a fan of live scope, there are way too many monied interests to keep it out of the sport. Your thoughts on limiting harvest by region is probably the best way to manage it.
Josh scared me with the idea of jet boats speeding through areas of potential fish, disrupting their spawn. That also took me down the path of the destruction of the watershed it self, with the erosion that would cause.
Keep up the good work. I hope to stop in the shop on my way to my place in vilas county this year.
Thanks for the thoughtful response Roger! A good conversation is the first step. Hope to see you at the shop!
Back in the 80s the proving ground for my wife was a 14 foot aquamarine early 1960s rowboat with a 10 horse 1964 Johnson. She spent more hours in the boat than I can possibly count while my brother and I chased muskies all around Northern Wisconsin. Gentlemen, That is not a common find but if you’re lucky enough to find it, hang onto it.
That's awesome Scott! We sure are lucky!
@@muskyfoolflyfishing Be back in Madison in May, will stop by to look at a rod or two
Look at some of the other things that have been allowed:
Recurve bows became compound bows became crossbows...for one example...
I'm not sure that's the best comparison. The technology in bows pales in comparison to some of the other technology we're talking about. Plus only a tiny fraction of animals that are hunted are killed with bows. Livescope affects every single fish possibly even the ones you might not catch.
@muskyfoolflyfishing I agree, and it wasn't meant to be the best comparison...just an example of "creep" in what is allowed.
@muskyfoolflyfishing ...also, so it's clear: I don't have FFS and am not likely to...I don't want that to be part of my experience: fishing while staring at a screen. I don’t understand folks who do...that's not an indictment...I just don't get it.
...but I don't fish bass on beds either. There's no fish I need to catch that badly.
@@FurtherNorth i completely agree fella. no need to catch them that badly, especially when its catch and release
Don't they don't figure in mortality rates of the fish that are released.
Could we genetically modify fish to be "stealth" to live scope? Think stealth submarines. 😅😅
@@tomschenk5148I think it's far more easier to ban it than genetically modify fish. But fuck at this point what are brown trout in America if not genetically modified
@@muskyfoolflyfishing 🤣🤣🤣
If the mortality rate is of concern then ban fishing for them all together! Rifle and scope technology came a long ways that 500 yd + shots on big game are pretty normal nowadays. That fish gets released back, you can’t take back that trigger release. I would rather see single barbless hooks only and none of theses flies you see with huge treble hooks mid length along with the normal hooks !
@tedj3415 I was merely pointing out they were looking at the total number of fish kept only in their study and didn't calculate in any mortality after release. I mean if one pond has zero fish kept out of it, but every fish is caught three times a day and another has 10 fish taken out of it a day at the end of the season. Which pond do you think would have more fish left alive if they both started with the same number of fish. FFS is not going away nor am I arguing that. I was merely stating that studies cannot just be based on number of fish taken home by anglers.
I hope FFS gets banned everywhere so I don’t have to buy it.
pretty much the same...i hope it gets banned so i can get rid of mine :)
Thinking about this, my mind wandered more than a few places.
Let me start by saying that I don't have any FFS, and won't. I don't want to spend my time on the water looking at a screen...but I have, and use both side imaging, and down imaging...so I can see what's under the water...I don't use it to look for fish...that bores me.
I tend to agree with the ban now, study (objectively), record, and present data to determine future direction side of things.
The discussions about FFS are full of misinformation...I participated in a discussion on the TU forum this week where the following claim was made: "𝑁𝑜𝑡 𝑜𝑛𝑙𝑦 𝑑𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑠𝑡 𝑒𝑙𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑟𝑜𝑛𝑖𝑐 𝐺𝑃𝑆 𝑓𝑖𝑠ℎ 𝑓𝑖𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑙𝑜𝑐𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑖𝑠ℎ, 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑎𝑙𝑠𝑜 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑔𝑟𝑎𝑚𝑚𝑒𝑑 𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑡𝑟𝑜𝑙𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑚𝑜𝑡𝑜𝑟 𝑠𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑏𝑜𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑠 𝑎𝑢𝑡𝑜𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑛𝑡𝑙𝑦 ℎ𝑒𝑙𝑑 𝑟𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑖𝑠ℎ." That's utter nonsense.
I have also seen people claim that FFS can look around, over, and through structure and cover...more nonsense. Sight fishing in shallow clear water does a better job of all of that.
...and worse, those facetious arguments are distractions from the real issues which center around fair chase and sportsmanlike conduct. Use of FFS while ice fishing is all about yanking more fish out of the lakes, and taking them home...nothing else. Ice fishing is already tough enough on our resource...we don't need this out there, IMO.
I have also noted that some of the most vocal anti-FFS sentiment comes from the same people who are most about keeping the government out of their lives...but they want the government to step in here? What's that about?
I think about all the other things that were going to be the end of the world as we knew it...but weren't.
I also think about slippery slopes as they impact other passions...It doesn't take much of a jump to think that some nut could make the leap to comparing FFS to hunting birds with dogs...dogs find birds we can't see, at distances that make FFS look weak, and then we walk up and kill the birds...no C&R there. An extreme position? Maybe, but I've seen anti-hunters take weirder positions in my lifetime, and this could be perceived as a enough of a precedent to open that door...
We cannot, unfortunately, rely on human nature to take the right side here, because self interest prevails more often than it should. Gotta fill the freezer, gotta win the tournament, gotta catch as many fish as possible (and ignore post release mortality - they swam away fine!).
I bounce back and forth between the two "sides" and get tired of - as Dan put it so well - them talking past each other. It's time to sit down and have a real conversation, and to invite those who can't do that without invective to get out, and stay out, of the discussion.
Sorry for the lengthy rant...but I'm old, and and tired of the tactics of distraction from who benefit from that...