It literally explains in hells kitchen, that the concept incinerator has a specific range and effectiveness based on how expensive the one you bought is. So this failing business guy only got an incinerator capable of barely erasing a small recipe from a middle aged man. It will take an absurd amount of money to attempt to even touch a language or people.
@@Yuri_Burger And they would also need the original copy of the thing in order to erased it entirely (for example, if someone wants to erased mirrow technology, they would need to burn down yi sang's original mirrow as seen in the flashback or the window of brother young ji)
@@Yuri_Burger ofc, but just this thing exsistance fucks up alot of stuff. Like isn't Head has like infinite amount of money? So they could just erase library.
16:14 "Let's face the facts, 90% of Limbus Fans haven't played Ruina" The recent survey poll by ESGOO which has a sample of 9K+ players (more than the average daily player count of 7K+) shows that only 15% are Limbus Onlys and a
ok lets nitpick numbers a second: -daily player count is steam, innit, meaning mobile warriors aren't involved iirc?? -The people most likely to reply to an ESGOO survey are the ones most likely to be at least knee-deep into projmoon fandom so there's definitely some kind of margin of error in this particular survey poll, though it's almost certainly still below 90%.
@@TeeQueueSA and just because someone hasn't played a game doesn't mean they haven't seen it from let's plays or lore vids or watched the cutscenes on youtube
I would be fine if Dave's opinions were based off facts and logic or just his subjective opinion and just that but a lot his complaints just tend to be just speculation and assumptions on what he thinks Project Moon is doing and layers and layers of misinformation and it really sours my mood when I watch the video I do understand that it doesn't really come out from a place of malice but it still really bugs me but I do agree with most of the gameplay gripes he has
@@DinoDave935 I mainly meant that a lot of your opinions seemed to be based on misunderstandings/assumptions about Project Moon, the characters, the community, the gameplay and the worldbuilding. When you base your opinion off a fact that can be proven false, it rubs me the wrong way too. Generally, there is also a line where speculations/misunderstandings becomes misinformation especially when it isn't signposted well and a large audience is going to be viewing I cannot speak for what you have not stated in the video, but I can speak for what you directly stated in the video Here are some of the of the more egregious examples (The comments have also pointed out many of these): Entire section on concept incinerator Numerous comments have pointed out discrepencies with this section, including how they never stated it could erase humans or entire offices. Or we don't know how much the cost scales with effectiveness/range/how embedded the concept is. "90% of Limbus players not played Ruina" Steam stats and Esgoo's census heavily contradicts this, but it could be selection bias or not including mobile players(for Steam stats). But im quite curious where Dave got this number from? "Distortion Detective will never get a proper conclusion" PM never said anything about not giving it a proper conclusion or the proper conclusion being in Limbus "Dante has the ability to pull any ID he wants" We already have seen some limitations from Walpurgisnacht and we can infer some of the limitations from the banners being released. The community treats canto 4 as if "you love it or hate it" I have never heard this before, I only heard people say they hated the filler fights or just found the story boring I would think this comment applied more to canto 5 than 4? "People who call canto 4 their favourite canto remember fly my wings scene and nothing else" This is a hedged statement but I still wanted to talk about it. I don't know if you browse Project Moon related social media or other Project Moon content creators. They have plenty to say about why they like canto 4 even with the release of canto 5, just look at comments on playthroughs of canto 4. Content creator THPdom has been vocal to this day about why canto 4 is way better than canto 5. Small Nitpicks that bugged me: "Spicebush was the first 7 sinner fight" "Moses and Ezra are from LCA" I found it irritating because they are so easy to disprove with just a teeny bit of research This is not a piece of misinfo but the entire section on the gacha was poorly framed and I don't really think reflects the free to play or new player experience that well as many have pointed out Many other creators have made criticisms in their videos and even made entire videos of criticism but don't receive as much hate/dislikes as this video This probably comes down to two things: 1. Tone and demeanour As many have pointed out, it sounds somewhat elitist 2. Research see part on misinfo On a lighter note, I similarly rate Canto 1 > 2 > 3. Based
Hating game mechanics being canon when thats been the thing Project Moon has been doing since their first game lmao. Every game mechanic in LobCorp except New Game Plus is literally canon, including restarts. Library? Its all canon, the invitations, the replaying of old fights, the fail and try again of new fights, its own mini-gacha. Complaining that everything is canon in Limbus and how it breaks everything, while it was perfectly fine in LobCorp and Library is like a hundred times more pink-nostalgia-goggles take than enjoying Walpurgis content because its a nice throwback to established entities in the world. Idk, it sounds a lot less like you're struggling to like this game but gacha is in the way, and a lot more like you WANT to hate the game purely for gacha but can't because its still great PM storytelling, so you grasp at every negative straw in the book to justify it beyond just 'gacha bad'.
Woah Now, Pink Nostalgia Goggles? Go watch my season 1 review, get to the Hell's Chicken part (or just read the comments) and you'll see that I'm not a fan of a lot of stuff Ruina does either. The only PM thing I think is genuinely perfect is DD and that's objectively correct. Ruina has gacha too but the way it handles it is much more professional in the sense that you have to earn the books you roll with and then you get the powers of the foes you just fought. It's a gradual climb in scale and for all intensive purposes it's kinda like DQMJ or Pokemon by getting the abilities of the enemies you fight as you fight em instead of just rolling for the abilities of a boss 5 cantos away from you. Because I don't think you'll be satisfied with that answer here's a list of something wrong with every piece of PM content of the top of my head - LobCorp: Story aside the gameplay loop is really rough with it being a trial and error fest, not to mention it ALSO has gacha mechanics with the abnos you get and getting a bad abno could screw an entire run. But even aside from the balancing is plain wack at times with a HE weapon like "Life for a Daredevil" Being one of the best in the game... HUH? - Ruina: Just the entire second half of the game really. I've said it before in previous videos but SoTC has such a massive tonal and pacing shift that it really threw me off for the rest of the game - Wonderlab: The Ending with Rose was realllllly forced, but other than that I actually cant think of much wrong with WL lol. - DD: it ended - Leviathan: Mirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrror worlds
@@Felipe45345Nah, I just took page out of his book and watched all the way up until he starts with the story, quit watching because all the arguments are such predatory "gacha bad, throwbacks bad" bait, but just had to also come back to make a lengthy comment explaining why I was objectively correct in quitting watching it, rather than quietly walking away.
Good video but I have to disagree with you on Wallurg As from what we’ve learned, the identities are canon in a way that does not truly affect the story as they are the centers from different timelines so I think it’s OK for them to make these identities from them, we see different perspectives of the sinners as they are thrown into different situations that they couldn’t have experienced within the story of LimbusCompany
im not sure a gacha more generous than limbus even exists, project moon throws currency at us constantly, roll tickets are handed out like candy too. Its a gacha that does not want to be a gacha, youll get three stars without even really trying for them. For the problems this game has, gacha isnt one.
That part when he said that the canon of gachas, mirror dungeons and other systems as bad are really bizarre tbh. I guess I kinda understand, but it really connects you as a player storywise as the actions you do [such as grinding] an actual thing which can make you feel like you have done impact as a manager. Anyways, it is his opinion after all
I'm confused about why you're so bothered about previous pm properties being brought back up in limbus. Isn't limbus quite literally a direct sequel? Imagine not bringing up lobcorp in ruina or ruina in leviathan. I just don't think that complaint makes much sense.
It like a waste of potential. Like the series is relatively short as is with it being 3 games. I just feel like the time spent bringing up past stuff that adds very little could be spent making entirely new stuff and expanding the world
As someone who has played Fate/Grand Order before - no, just no. Characters being locked behind chapter completion is a crappy mechanic that shouldn't be added. Story-wise, it somewhat improves the story's integrity, but gameplay-wise you have characters/IDs that are MUCH more rare than others if you won't go out of your way to not roll gacha right until you unlock them, which definitely should not be the case for gacha games.
what the hell do you mean the outskirts are taboo? this is such a bad take do you want us not to explore something more intersting? discovery is part why i still follow up on limbus
Outskirts are probably one of the interesting thing in the project moon world. The monsters, ruins, dark forest….all of those are contain outside the city walls
I honestly agree, limbus shouldn't explore the outskirts, alot of the time when people try and expand on locations such as this they tend to just ruin (heh) the mistque of what could be (also it just feels wrong to explore the location in limbus instead of the next main game considering the sequal to ruina is likely to be set there considering... well the library is there...
OUTSKIRTS NEVER WERE TABOO IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! Ever since LobCorp it's been mentioned MANY times that many organizations does expeditions to the outskirts.
@@lostgem8225We've only just been exposed to a tiny portion of the Outskirts, and it's all about a species and a town. In a way, this kinda counts as fan-service since Limbus is mainly limited to just the City. I don't feel as if the Outskirts lost its magic since we haven't even touched on the Forest, the Library, ruins, or what kind of civilizations live out there Btw, there is no information about a LOR sequel taking place in the Outskirts, just a vague mention of a DLC...
When I say taboo I mean it's more something that people might be afraid to talk about, or even if we were going to go there give it a lot of buildup because they're a big deal. Just plopping us in kind of takes away from a lot of the mystique that surrounds it but hey, at least we know people live there so we will go back later
i dont understand the whole fanservice thing. this is a game set in the same place and time (basically) and canon as the previous games it is borrowing from. and the whole point is youve got every possible alternate version of these 12 characters. is it fanservice if the whole game is centered around the idea of recycling characters and factions etc? like what would bad fanservice in a game like this look like? (excluding lewd stuff)
I just want them to do new stuff instead of living in the past because something about pulling from a game that came out only 3ish years ago for "Nostalgia" just fells cheap. Now it could be worse, I think a Red Mist ID is about as bad as it's gonna get in the future but still
@DinoDave935 I understand your perspective, it's definitely a bit lazy when it comes to all that. But in all honesty I'd be pretty hype for a red mist Id not for nastoliga but because thats litteraly my favorite color fixer, but your completely valid for how you think, personally I love the id's from past games (Also sorry I'm kinda shit at spelling)
@@DinoDave935i suppose that's fair. a character shake up like N corp faust would certainly be more interesting than "myo faust". Though I would think this fan service would have to be very consistent to bother me at all. something like a couple in a row with zero originality in between.
@@DinoDave935 Are we just going to completely ignore the season ID's? N corp, K corp, The Middle, anyone from the Great Lake, and everything new that Limbus introduced? Not to mention 80% of the abnos and egos in this game are completely new.
To be fair about the "Forced" SP drain, you can completely avoid it and i think that was the intention. You were supposed to avoid the actual gain of the shit and it was relatively easy to do tbh, it isnt Forced its just a Gimmick, kinda like what ruina had.
@@Solaris2000APB just don't proc her blooming effects, she only inflicts it when she hits a Sinner or when she successfully evades which are both very preventable
I stopped watching after the nostalgia bait argument. Claiming the ID's are introduced in a non canon way is a poor opinion considering we clearly see how the mirror technology works in a canonical sense. I would agree that it's inclusion can be problematic in the sense of power scaling (In both directions) but PM has given the tech limitations which plays well into the story without balancing issues. An example of how it builds the story would be in Chapter 5, where Ricardo beats the identity off of Ishmael. While Ishmael could be as supercharged as Ahab, the fact that the device Dante uses to alter the sinners IDs needs resources to get a more true form of that ID and needs to be improved over time regardless of said resources allows the mirror technology to be a tool without being over or underpowered. Another issue I had was how you made uptying OOO and EGO seem incredibly difficult. 400 shards can be acquired in about 3 mirror dungeons (5-6 for free to play) with no need to even touch gatch. I agree that reserving certain IDs for story challenges would be an amazing addition, but openly disregarding the gotcha as some cheap cash grab is being overly critical of PM's decision to basically fundraise their next project while massively raising publicity for the PM universe. I want to enjoy your content more, but your view and opinion of PM's decisions is really getting in the way of that.
@@secretx3029 Every hard mode mirror dungeon gives you 69-72 shard crates when you use the weekly bonus (23-24 without Limbus Pass). Every crate gives 1-3 shards, so you get 69-216 shards at maximum reward from MDHM (23-72). In 6 weeks of doing one MD per week, you get a total of 387-1296 shards (129-432) per 2 months.
want to comment on some stuff that i did find worth discussin in the video 1. the fact that getting a character you dont know about yet might ruin it for some, but in my experience havin recently like seen friends pick up limbus at first none realized that the character ID they had was supposed to be that character until after like a bit more time. Like it ended up not ruinin it for them since like, they dont know the character yet at all and ence wont make that connection like we do. Plus we already had this in canto 1 even, with gregor havin his roach id dispite most of us not having played through canto 1 before that point, or the yuri faust id we didnt make the connection that it was supposed to be yuri after like some weeks had passed. All in all, this point cames from an understandable fear, but one that in my experience with recent newbies it ended up not being an issue, or maybe i just have very oblivious friends :P. 2. that point of getting IDs thanks to the story although sounds good, its just ruina 2, would too like to get more free shit, but arguably the ids are already free if one just grinds the mds enough times every week, so makin it easier i fear would just make pm just lose out on too much gain to keep the service up along side fueling other projects sadly, at the end of the day its self admitted that limbus is made to make money so to have a good Lobotomy corp 2 and Distortion detective game. The idea is cool, it would make a better game? maybe!, but its just, its not goin to happen for the game is a gacha, and honestly? i dont mind if limbus is a gacha for 2 main reasons. 1 that its the only game project moon will ever do with micro transactions and with this kind of shit, kind of like the one to get all those bad things so that no future project moon game will need them or use them, cause why implement them to any future project when you already have limbus? ence its a sacrific i think is worth it. And 2, that this is a game oriented at long future development and that its just a more easier to update and make game they will have as the front row atm while they work on future titles, cause honestly project moon cant depend on people's charity and constantly using kickstarter for every single future game they want to make, and they probably dont want to just have us sit around for 4-6 years empty handed till lobotomy corp 2 cames out glitchy and unoptimized due to a very poor budget, think that with limbus, they can suministry as much time and resources to make even better games at the future, that they now have the funding for a good Lobotomy corporation 2 or DD game, and that too we will no longer have to spend YEARS without any content at all from them from game to game. 3. Fun fact, i actually got very critized in the past for suggesting locking sinners away in story segments, like before canto 5.5 many people where very against not being able to use the sinners that they wanted when i mentioned like Outis betraying us in her chapter and us not being able to use her in some fights. So i think that in the future def we will have more limited sinner fights. 4. As for max level and Uptie, i wouldnt worry that much about it, cause honestly it seems that the rule of thumb right now for the game its goin to be that for every new season, new levels for luxcavations will drop alongside it along with an updated Mirror dungeon, meaning that our methods for getting tickets and thread and egoshards will only get better and better with the seasons. which imo i just trust that pm will handle it well enough so that it doesnt get sloguish in the future to get maxxed out. 5. Would agree on the mirror dungeon grind being a slog in the past, but recently in md3 they made it actually shorter and more optimized so that its generally more fun to experiment and do shit all around, so like they where aware of the issues of md2 and went and fixed them, and again i do agree that more free stuff would be cool, but sadly its like quite impossible for the kind of genre of games limbus is that that will end up happening, we already have it incredibly good that we can not depend on the gacha to get ids and egos much better than a lot of the gachas where its just, you have to pull and nothing else. 6. Your issue of teambuilding was actually fixed in md3, where they introduced a mechanic where the game rewards you with extra rewards and more cost to use during the run if you use characters that are different than the last run. Meaning it is tryin to incentivize you to use more different teams in exchange of being able to get more ego gifts and other buffs in the mirrordungeon so that its easier and faster to do along with allowing you to do new and wacky sinergies, i would argue that if they keep improving md3 in future seasons it'll be the best system for farming that they could get. (the long ass text continues down below in the commets, sorry it got as long as the bible itself T-T)
7. The fanservice is canon, walpurgist even has its own story segments explaining why we even see ruina or lobcorp characters, that being that its just a time period where mephi's mirror range amplifies through several more years of time allowing other wise impossible ids to be obtained now. All the ids and all the ego are full on canon, and i dont find the reasoning to be silly because... the story itself has been very dependant on that the mirror technology (the one that makes the IDs) is basically the main moving the plot, like Hermann wants to destroy that tech, Kromer getting obsessed with an identity of Sinclair to the point where she tried to torment him enough to turn him into that identity, Yisang's whole arc. Over all i just see walpurgist as another event, with those IDs being equally canon even if they are absurd, after all when you implement a technology that literally can look into every reality in existance it'll innevitably mean that some faces within those infinite worlds will end up being familiar ones(which btw isnt even news, as Iori in ruina too did something similar with how she could jump between dimensions and worlds as she wanted to, meaning that its not even smth limbus exclusive, nor ruina exclusive either as the mirror of adjustment and some tools too hinted at taking a look at alternative or paralel worlds, so the planning for the mirror tech could be argued that goes back to day 1 of lobotomy corp)(also the sinners arent just grabbing said ego from lobcorp and using it, those ids are explicit employees of lobotomy corp that have been working over there for a while and the ids simply being reflections of those worlds where the sinner had that style of life) 8.The sinners will end up goin into the library and this was speculated even before limbus's release. mainly due to us collecting literal branches of light, and the library being.... a tree of light... also i dont see the point of complaining that they are using stuff from the same already stablished world? its like, what do they do delete it from existance? the game before it ended ence its not usable any of those ideas ever? its kinda like a bit too pessimistic imo, i dont mind at all them using already stablished people like molar office or goin to the library since its places that do exist in the world and its people that do exist in the universe, ence innevitably if you have a cast of characters that are just goin around through that world it ends up being that they will meet up with already existing ones, just like how in ruina we had to fight the rabbits, and we had to fight the sweepers, i dont really feel the complaint here honestly. 9. The announcers i just feel like they are innoffensive in every aspect. The angela one was more to celebrate both her birthday and the limbus anniversary being in the same day. And i dont mind them in the absolute as they are not even gameplay influencial, imo its a fun novelty all together. I too didnt like having to pull for them, but honestly i dont mind just getting past characters as announcers at all. We really dont know what even the announcers are in canon or if they even are canon, but i do feel like they are prime opportunities for like, just a little extra fun over all, not necessary for progression, and simply there for either completionists, or for any particular big fan of said character that is announcing, i just have them be on the same tiers as banners, a cosmetic thats simply there for the enjoyment of the self. 10. Everything being canon is a trope project moon has done since Lobotomy corporation, like they even canonized the artistic style of the game itself through cognition filters! i would argue that if limbus would have been the only one to break this rule it would have been a huge dissapointment, since the invitations and the book pages and abno pages and ego where canon in ruina, the hp bullets where canon in lc, the fact we can return back in time was canon in lc, the fact we could redo fights in ruina was canon... over all making every single game mechanic and aspect canon so far has been a staple of pm games, and if limbus would have been an exception, it would have actually imo done it harm, right now a thing i love a lot about pm games is that the gameplay is connected to the story, and it ends up being a whole bunch of surprises to learn how this or the other thing ends up being canon. Another thing but this one falls into a more personal, i do enjoy a ton more when game aspects and mechanics are actually canon, some time ago played another game and found it frustrating how in the story it was supposed to be like a 1 vs 1 the character was goin to have her being all along, but when it came to gameplay you didnt even have the character unlocked but you where fighting with a complete different set of characters that wherent even in that specific time and space all together, and after the fight she just acted like she did it all by itself, for me that took me out of the inmersion of that game, and just really destroyed the feeling of the moment to just out of nowhere just not be using the character im following in the story at any moment in the fight but having to use other characters i saw a moment ago that are miles away from the current one living completely different experiences while the character was having her supposed 1 vs 1. 11. Mirror worlds technically where introduced with Iori. 12. i think you completely missunderstood how the mirror tech works, first of all we have this tech thanks to yisang, second of all we just cant pull anything we want out of our asses, the pulling range supposedly amplifies and expands with time as more possibilities are discovered within the mirror itself. 13. another thing is that the rcorp that used to be and the rcorp we may be using now may be quite different, remember how 4th pack ended in ruina? like they where supposedly goin to be quite heavily punished and shit, wouldnt be surprised if they ended up being weaker rn, along with that throught always, the 4th pack strength came from being able to shit out very well trained agents almost effortlessly making them have a very big army, they have strength in numbers, but when they are just 1 unit they aint that special or strong except the pack leaders. We see this more clearly in Lobotomy corp where we need like 20 to 30 rabbits to take down one whole WAW, while the sinners just take on WAWs and HEs by fighting with 12 fellas. As for kromer or others not being afraid of said rcorp and stuff, its just 1 rabbit, she prob like doesnt care about one single rabbit goin after her, she would be more afraid if it was a whole armada, cause remember, Rcorp isnt feared for their individual strength, but for the fact they will throw you like 100 soldiers all at the level of rabbit heath to attack you at once. And too makes sense that kromer isnt afraid, she is a big name in a corporation herself, she prob like doesnt fear another singular corp's soldier that much, the same as to why she prob doesnt mind neither seeing suddenly a kcorp soldier out of the blue with us. 14. The stuff you mentioned about multiverses is actually canon, like you know how some ids are 0, 00, and 000? well those are just mean how common it is for that sinner to end up in that life, 0 ids basically is the stuff you say like "gregor making a sandwitch that morning" and shit, ence why they are so common and why they are the most basic of the pulls since its the higher chances you will just get to see in an alternative world like the same guy but doin just one thing slightly differently, where as 00s and 000s are more higher rarer chances, like the chances that they would have taken a different carrier path or style in life or whatever ending up being the most rare pulls that one can make.
15. indeed everything is canon, but not everything is canon at the same time, the mirror tech will definetly get more profundized and more developed in the future, but atm there are some things that are base works in all of the mirror worlds, 1 that iori's child is dead in ALL of them, and that too it seems that like not every mirror world can just be wack stuff completely off the rails, they all have some logic or have to play within that character's past, cause atm if you do notice some small hints, in all mirror worlds ryoshu has the same katana on her back that she refuses to use, in all mirror worlds ishmael has her little head band from queequeg, in all mirror worlds gregor loses his arm or has it be changed in some way, in all mirror worlds don quixote has her rocinante boots even the Ncorp one has her boots simply inside the armour, in all mirror worlds Heathcliff is equally scarred, in all mirror worlds rodya has the same chest tattoo, in all mirror worlds Outis has the same watch on her right wrist. Meaning that the mirror technology can only look at reflections of that same already existing world, not just be able to do rick and morty shit of accessing any multiverse in existance, its limited in some aspects. 16. I still dont get the complaint of everything being connected being bad, Ruina did it, wasnt an issue, wonderlab did it and it wasnt an issue either(the setting being in lc, depending on the magical girls for a story point, a whole ass ending depended on the events of lc of day 50), DD too did it and it wasnt an issue(the setting itself depeded on ruina and the actual events happening in ruina, both DD office and the library where raising in the ranks, even DD meeting up with some guests and shit before hand). Their previous media did depend on the last one before hand, but they could stand on their own, same happens with limbus too. Imo i think maybe this complaints are coming more out of a place of frustration in your end? like from being frustrated of the gacha aspects of the games, and it being a genre that you dont like, which again is understandable, not everyone can enjoy every kind of genre, but just that i just fail to see how its ok for ruina to depend all the time on LC abnos and Lc elements for its story, but when limbus does it its not ok anymore even if they do it waaay less, as after all limbus is a continuation of the pm world, not a side story. Cause imma be honest, the same exact thing will happen in LC2, and in whatever next game pm makes, it'll have references that tie it to the previous titles just like limbus and all its predecessors did and had, cause what pm is aiming at is an interconnected world where it seems that its building towards a very big event in the end, that being the 3d action RPG game they have as an endgoal. Meaning all games will innevitably have ties. And finishing writting this as like i dont want to end up sending a whole ass bible(it kinda is a whole ass bible looking back lmao), but over all wanted to share my own perspective and insight on some points, in a bit of hopes that it may help you see some aspects on an easier light and so that they may not haunt you as severely. I am enjoying the video so far and you have done a stellar job on the writting and editing, along with understanding most of your grivances just came from you not liking gachas which is very very understandable, ence why i made such heavy emphasis on taking it as that this'll be the only gacha pm will ever have, and that limbus is more as a stand in meanwhile they are making the DD game(YES this game is still in development, ezra and company being in limbus is just more so a spoiler for how their story originally ended, but over all they did promise us a DD game, and i have hope they'll deliver no matter what) and LC2 game on the background without having the pains of having to rush it or make it asap in incompleted forms like they had to do with Library of ruina, and too like not having to sell themselfs to a big company like microsoft or whatever avoiding things like the big publisher strangling whatever desicions in gameplay/story aspects they want to take or whatever else letting them have creative freedom over what they will make. Limbus can be viewed as a good thing in my opinion, in that pm will be independent and be able to make future other games as good as they want to thanks to the 1 sin of the game they have atm. Over all i do agree that sometimes taking breaks from games and series is good, i take them myself from other media like for example fnaf, minecraft, undertale, tf2 and a very large etc of games i sometimes just leave for a while so to like refreshing my enjoyment, and over all its what i can best advice ya man, as i see that many of your criticisms where mainly out of being frustrated with the game and not takin in some aspects or ground rules that where shown around, to not force yourself to play anything specifically and to do whatever you most want to as long as its not harming anyone else. Btw again great video, dispite this long ass rambling i did enjoy it! and leaved my like, and i urge you to please do not take anything i have said here with any bad faith or stuff, i mainly just writted this all down hoping i could somehow make some concerns you have or complaints be more light over all and possibly end up being able to enjoy the game in some future moment a ton more. Best of luck in future videos and excited to see whatever you have next planned in the future Dave!!
On point 1. Since Ruina PM always spoils indirectly the story of the game. I can even argue that Lobotomy also did this because almost all abnormalities are tied with characters and are spoilers without context. The entire String Theocracy at the start of Ruina is just a massive spoiler that you have 0 context of. Is a lot like how Jojo Intros are filled to the brim with spoilers that are not coherent without the proper context. So after certain bit of story happenes the watcher or player gets a eureka momen and can connect the dots.
YEA! imo its quite cool when like you rewatch the early content and just go like "HOLY SHIT THIS WAS HERE BEFORE AND I DIDNT NOTICCE!?", like its sometimes cool imo..@@Helem5XG
A statement from Project Moon had come out long before the game even launched that I have incredible respect for: the fact that they very transparently said that Limbus Company was a gacha, and it was fully intended to rake in money to fund the studio and development of other projects. I don't care how money-grubbing or fanservicey any of PM's practices are in this game because they've already stated that this is what it is for; and despite being a "cash-grab" of sorts, it is still a great product with typical PM care baked in. Sure, it's not like this is a disclaimer everyone must acknowledge before playing, but it is public knowledge. Limbus is a phone game that makes money. Expectations shouldn't be kept very high, and despite that, they are frequently met or exceeded where they are misplaced. Regardless, good work. See you around, Dave.
I lost faith in that announcement a long time ago especially at the PM anniversary a few months ago where they said work on other games had ceased and it's all focused on Limbus for the forseeable future. Once again only time will tell. Thank you for the kind words
@DinoDave935 I understand your viewpoint, and it is valid. My personal thought is that this decision was due to the limitations of the studio and popularity of the game; that being said, I still expect Limbus to be what they said it would in the first place. I too will be especially excited for what may come in the future.
I'll be honest, i don't necessarily care about the fan service, the announcers, the potential red mist id or the intermingling of past IPs. however this all changes when(and i really pray to god it doesn't) this game becomes a cashcow, as in the game simply doesn't end. i trust that there's an ending to this story, and i can only hope I'm right.
@@boomer1212there will be a ending it will take a long time but we will be able to tell and we can roughly estimate the length of the game at minimum their will be 12 main chapter maybie even a extra 1-2 for donteh and Virgil then whatever the finale with herman and the blue gang 2 electric boogalu which could be a extra chapter or two The alternative if we want to stretch it realy long then it could be a new story segment and we move from the inferno to purgatory and then potentially whatever the last third of the Devine comedy as the sinners get better and better so at most 36 chapters (excluding 5.5 and from now onwards about 2 5.5's so that is a bit extra but some chapters they could opt out of 5.5's for more story content as we near the end of major climaxes.) Also it does need to end for any games to be set after limbus and the city builder could be after the city becomes to unsafe or smth.
Right, I'm writing this comment as the video goes, so I do apologize if I repeat points as this goes on. I’m not even halfway into the video and I’ve already written a full page on my Word doc, this is going to be a long one. As of right now, my main gripe with this video is your assumption that you're speaking for anyone but yourself. For excample, "The remaining 10% of us who played ruina don’t care about this guy” (paraphrasing) says who, you? Because I fucking love Taein’s design. I rocked his drip on my nugget all the way up until I got access to Yan’s drip. You don’t get to speak on my, or any other player’s behalf, for what _we_ think on Limbus or Ruina. (Also the 90% of limbus players are limbus only statistic is of questionable origin, don’t throw around numbers and statistics if you can’t back it up) Second sticking point, “You gotta swipe and engage with the gacha mechanics to get the shit you want.” provably untrue. If you discount Walpurgisnacht, I have not pulled for a single 000 in this entire third season using lunacy. Most I sharded and 2 I pulled using the guaranteed 000 ticket you get. The fact that you use “Base IDs only” as an analogue to anyone’s experience as a free to play is obscenely disingenuous and misrepresentative of what Limbus’ F2P experience is like. Everyone gets *some* good 00 and 000 IDs without much effort, fucking look at any streamer that only plays limbus occasionally. Not to mention, the Support system exists, which lets you borrow one of the many IDs that can single handedly trivialize any story content in the game. Also, you seem to be under the misconception that Mirror Worlds simply EXISTING “Irreversably damages the worldbuilding and investment in the story forever”. Worldbuilding? Fuck it, I think you’re wrong, I think the way PM integrates alternate dimensions while not allowing free travel from our world to others while allowing limited travel from other worlds to ours is great, and I question your media literacy for letting speculation and misinformation drive your critique of this matter since it’s explained that all IDs get their power level normalized so canonically stronger ID get weaker and the weaker IDs grow stronger so the goons would’ve witnessed that the R corp. member they were facing were in fact a chump canonically, *inhale* but fuck it, it’s your opinion, I can live with my disagreements. But *Investment*? WHOSE investment? Yours? Mine? The playerbase as a whole? Because I can tell you right fucking now there’s a significant amount of the playerbase that disagree with your claim. Just...stop speaking on other people’s behalf man, it’s not good practice. I take fucking issue with “Multiverse means anything can be canon”. Just because a set contains infinite members does not mean everything is contained within that set. This is a fundamental misunderstanding as to how fucking set theory works. THAT’S RIGHT BABY WE’RE DIVING INTO SET THEORY (not really). Just because the multiverse allows everything that could happen ever to exist, that doesn’t mean something that COULDN’T HAPPEN could exist because of the multiverse. Just because a set contains every positive integer (infinite), does not mean that set contains negative 1, or negative 2, or pi, or i, or negative infinity. And even if it DID work in the ass backwards way you think it does, the mirror worlds that you made up wouldn’t matter because the fucking refraction rate wouldn’t allow anyone to access those mirror worlds that are too far from this reality. THIS IS TEXT IN THE GAME. GOD THIS IS SUCH A DUMB CRITICISM. THINK FOR ONE FUCKING SECOND AND YOU CAN SEE WHY THIS ISN’T THE CASE, GOD. Alright I’ve cooled off a bit let’s continue. Your criticism on them showing all the antagonists too early feels...weird. As in, no they didn’t, they introduced 3 people. When, I’m inferring here, there’s probably going to be about twelve total. Letting 3 people speak 2 lines each in the prologue’s fine to establish their existence early on in my opinion. On your criticism regarding the city feeling too livable by the end. On one hand, I get it, the city that we see in Lob Corp being this hard-bitten impossibly evil place too harsh for any person too live in is an astoundingly interesting setting. But...the city getting better is the entire thematic core of the project moon games. They are, at their hearts, stories about how no matter how bleak and shit the circumstances, effort and care as a human being can improve the world you live in. That’s the entire crux of The Light being set free upon The City. It is an optimistic story set in the bleakest world imaginable. And that’s why I hold it so near and dear to my heart. You may disagree with the decision to make The City a less bleak place all you want, but I don’t know how you can expect PM to take their story any other way. Alright you letting your bias against sinclair get in the way of media criticism is just disappointing. The fuck’s up with you and his character anyway? It just seems childish at this point. On the concept incinerator, someone already explained why your criticisms of it is misplaced at best, so I won’t get into it. Tl;dr, the original needs to go into the concept incinerator, it only affects a certain radius, and its use is restricted and probably prohibitively expensive. Right, onto canto IV. I do find it odd that your definition of “playing it as intended” is “not playing them as they are released and are marked on the map” and instead “the way you prefer”. But, if that’s the way you want to play, then go for it. I have no complaints. On you not caring about any characters in canto IV. Not sure how you managed that, I sure as hell was invested in the tension between Dongrang Dongbaek and Yi Sang. What- the spicebush dongbaek fight loses you like 15 SP a turn on *one* sinner, anything more is an actual, legitimate, skill issue. The fucking drones I can get, since those are team-wide forced sanity loss. But complaining about Dongbaek’s feels...odd. (It is also not the first 7 sinner fight come on man.) I’m still not sure *what* your actual problem is with “Everything being canon in PM games”. It’s been over 40 minutes and I don’t think you’ve explained your gripe with it all that well aside from the Mirror Worlds thing a few paragraphs back. So what if the mirror dungeons are canon? I don’t see the point here. Same thing with Fanservice. You always talk like it’s a bad thing, but I still don’t understand why you consider it such. Wait what? Since when is the Outskirts a taboo subject? We see it in Ruina when Argalia was exploring the abandoned L corp facility and it gets established that A) People live there and B) Monsters also live there. There’s nothing much new explored in canto 5.5. that hasn’t already been told to us in ruina. Aight, since you didn’t play 5.5.2, I’m just...not gonna watch this part. Fair enough I think, right? What insight can someone who didn’t bother playing the thing provide about the thing?
I'd also like to add that the multiverse isn't even a new thing-- it's existed since Ruina. The Purple Tear's ENTIRE THING was walking between timelines to work towards a specific goal. Which is basically what the ID thing is, to a lesser extent. So that makes the criticism even more nonsensical.
@@kamanira that would be a sick way to show just how big Yi Sang's impact was on the City to the point that he caused an abno to come to existence It could also force you into a gimmick that shuffles the levels of your IDs around randomly just like the abno did in LobCorp so that some of your IDs reach levels you shouldn't be accessing yet (for example 60) and others end up with like level 10
Theres already over 100 comments so I won't just sit here and yap the same thing as everybody else, but alot of your criticisms feel like nitpicks and small icks rather then anything major. It's clear you just don't like the game (mainly cause it's a gacha) which is fair, but it just feels like you're overcompensating. Limbus ain't perfect at all and I appreciate having someone who thinks differently so we don't all end up in PJM circlejerk and I'm especially appreciative of how receptive you are to the criticism you're getting but this video REEKS
i can’t say limbus is irreversibly damaging PMs worldbuilding when despite Lob Corp, Ruina, Wonderlab, DD and Leviathan, we still know next to nothing about what’s going on and where the story is headed, but I can understand why you called attention to it
dino, i like you, but this is the most L video you have ever done outside of the smash or pass, and please just stop hating on sinclair or dante(like how?????????????) for literally nothing
hard disagree on the gacha portion, even as f2p if you just do your hard mirror dungeon every week and maybe one or two more you'll have plenty of crates to get the new id's modules for xp tickets are also painfully easy to get and the game isnt shy about giving the players free stuff either. do i have every id and ego maxed as f2p? no. but do i need it? also no. i can get the ids i want and thats more than just about any other gacha game would offer for f2ps
I agree with you on this points the gatcha grind is a lot better than 90% of other Gatcha games and the value of the battle pass is absolutely perfect if you do the math it would take at most 1-2 weeks to save up enough boxes as a f2p and that is only doing 1 hard mirror dungeon a week. Limbus is one of if not the most generous gatcha.
he keeps quitting the game so i'm not surprised he is poor in about any currency avaible in the game, and for someone stating the game late i can see how insurmountable it would be, i play the game since launch only buying the battle pass and i didnt do a single pull outside of the "forced" walpurgis nacht gacha while still owning every single ego and unit in the game while having over a thousend thread and shard chests sitting around, and i only do my 1 hard run a week not like some crazy grinders who are doing like 10 normals every week
I have like 67k lunacy as you can see near the beginning I just didn't interact with the gacha portion when I did play because I got a full team of 3 stars in Season 1 and early season 2
@@DinoDave935 happy to get shown a different timestamp but first time we seen your lunacy was around 11 minutes where you got about 12k. I don't think limbus gacha in its current form can really be criticised as it's unseen in the entire gacha genre there isn't a game as generous even the ones that were considered as such before limbus release, though I agree no body would be mad if they would just remove the gacha alltogether and make them unlockable through story progression even more so spoiler id's like spicybush yi sang and captain ishmael with the crew.
Things that are apparently bad -Gameplay mechanics are explained in lore -You can't buy 000 Ids from the Shop without playing the game -Enemies don't react differently depending on what Ids you use -Kromer does react when you use a certain Id -The sinners don't stop listening to the person that keeps them alive whenever they get an Id with a higher social standing -The machine that has access to infinite mirror worlds does in fact have access to infinite mirror worlds -PM adds Ids based on characters from previous games List of actual Complains -Gacha -Story progression doesn't reward the player with thematic Ids -Leveling Ids is about as fun as putting your head in a meat grinder
I understand it, universes beyond that are basically a bunch of crossovers for magic the gathering (a card game) made me quit it. I personally dont have a issue with it in limbus because they still are from the same franchise.
I did enjoy this video but your negative feelings toward gacha and fanservice is really showing. Asking a game to fully take itself serious and not have any humor, locking identities from being able to summon until you reach a stage, having stuff like mirror dungeon and gacha not cannon etc sounds like a bad idea. Summons being lock straight up sounds predatory tbh. Edit: I explained why i think this is predatory in the other comments so i'll just copy and paste my comment here as well. Let's think of the new players here. Imagine some ruina players finally decided to play limbus because they like Kim. If summons were locked they wouldn't be able to play their favorite character until they spend literal hours. Characters also has a better chance of apearing in their own banner meaning if a player hasn't reached a specific stage they wouldn't be able to summon on the banner that has a higher chance to give them the character they like forcing them to farm for shards or wait for them to get a meursath banner. This MIGHT be exceptable for now but imagine getting to the canto 10 and you can't get an identity you want because you need to beat a total of 9cantos plus 9 to 18 mini cantos until the banner time runs out. Aaaaand THIS is where the predatory part comes in. You have a limited stamina and it refills itself very slowly..BUUUUUUUT you can use your precious lunacy to refresh them whenever you want and you can also purchase lunacy with money as much as you want. Locking some characters not only give some players a deadline, it also kinda forces them to use lunacy for stamina and rush the story without enjoying the game and it's cast. There is also a chance that the locked character is super broken (like kim meursalt) or is a key unit to some really fun teams(like middle don). Lastly a game isn't intriguing for new players if it blatantly punnishes you for not starting early which WILL damage their revenue later. A gacha game always need new players for profit.
Summons being locked up until you beat certain stages is straight up what Fate Grand Order does and everyone who plays the game hated that to the point the devs barely do it anymore.
Does it sound predatory though? Please elaborate because I haven't played Fate and I don't get why people think it is. Because to me it seems like the devs are just trying to keep their story intact and let new players experience plot points twists and turns like anyone else who had been playing since launch. And also because of powercreep they'd be getting the better ID's as they came out through the years and not just waffle stomping everything.
@@DinoDave935 Perhaps not exactly predatory but if someone has a particular interest in a character or group it is directly in the way of letting them enjoy the game by getting and using those characters as they wish, heck most of the story locks barely have any major plot twist regarding them and are still advertised as is on banners that everyone can see. The way FGO keeps its story integrity is instead hiding details of those characters on story completion. Like for example during the period known as Epic of Remnant all of a characters skills as well as their name had pseudonyms with their profiles being vague but once you cleared their part in the story you got the full details.
Characters being locked behind story events isn't actually predatory, everyone has to go through the story to unlock them, hell, even game like Honkai Star rail has (or had, didn't played after first big update) couple of characters like that
Regarding Distortion Detective being not self contained anymore, the writing was on the wall as soon as it came out tbh. Multiple Key Pages mention Moses or Dias, Dias was a major force in the Smoke War thus connecting her to Lob Corp and subsequently Ruina to a lesser degree. The crew going to L Corp's Nest also could have been a point of possible connection between DD and LoR, but that is something that was never utilized.
Look I'm sure they'll handle it... well but I still think it shoulda stayed self contained. At the end of the day more Yuria, Ezra and Moses is more Yuria, Ezra and Moses so yippeee
R corp has a lot of strength in numbers stuff going on, it's not fair to say every enemy we meet should start panicking when they see a rabbit (even though in reality they should) P.S im the most ardous limbus hater but i can not agree with majority of critiques here Everything has to be explained in lore cause that's what pm always did Announcers and random shmooks from early ruina story are the most inoffensive forms of fanservice DD crew having ties with limbus just means Dias is running the show, and i was mostly pissed cause goddamn why are you spoiling DD characters surviving. The city is also not continent sized, you can see that it's size of Belgium just by looking at map in game, it kinda makes sense for us to keep running into more or less notable people in place this small, it's frequency only exaggerated by a couple times
>wants to get rid of gacha without considering how the studio will make money >wants more free shit >doesnt consider how live service games work By God, I hate this video already Go play LoR or LC, or any traditional pay to play game. The point of a f2p live service gacha game is playing over time... Get a grip, your "advice" would bankrupt them
Wonderlab was never stated to be non canon... It's a very Touhou 98 situation where everything in it is Canon... Until something new happens that may contradict it and then the new thing takes priority. See for example WARP Trains which were primarily used for transporting goods in WL but then people in Ruina, now they could still do both but that's just an example off the top of my head
@@DinoDave935Wonderlab has literally been expunged from existence on request of the author of the comic and I doubt ProjMoon will disrespect their wishes for the whole thing to just stay gone. The only things canon left from it are things that have been canonized in Ruina - the three abnos that made appearance there.
Honestly while I enjoy limbus let’s all be honest we would all prefer it to be an actual game than a gacha. But realistically it wasn’t going to happen so I just don’t see the point in dwelling on it much.
@Heroman3003 and even then, those abnos weren't invented by wonderlab. They were unused lobotomy corp abnormalities that project moon has full rights to.
Maybe because Project Moon don't have money to make the next game like the they want an open world game but to do that they need to gacha they don't have "Chinese investor" and the game is ban in China.
@@DinoDave935 And that the game is banned in China, limiting a huge chunk of potential money that could've been funneled into said next PMoon game(the biggest Gacha Consumer, in fact most of the profitable and popular Gacha games are Chinese, like Genshin Impact or Arknights).
@@DinoDave935 It mean two thing. 1.In order to make more money they need a gacha game as a source of money because the alternative are very risky as Project Moon probably don't rely other company and potential scammer too 2.When I said "Chinese investor" I mean the Chinese gacha player who want to play Project Moon but can't due to the Chinese policy of gaming(i.e: no violence,smoking and drinking,no blood,...)
ngl, even obvious ragebaits from no name 100 sub channels shitting on limbus were less infuriating than this. Honestly, the thing this video reminds me most of is this terrible (now delited) video about Palworld from channel "Subjectively".
I can't believe I got called out, so I guess I have to leave a comment lol. Anyway, great video and you put a lot of effort into it, but to be honest I can't agree with most of the complaints. Chapter 1 is great and makes good arguments and there is room for a proper discussion there, but I felt like a lot of the later chapters are just subjective and based on personal opinions, and honestly just kinda at times makes me feel like you irrationally hate something for no reason other than to hate on it. To be honest, I can't say much more on it because it is opinion afterall lol The gacha I don't really agree with, but I can see where you're coming from. Though, I do still think that how generous the gacha is kind of counter out the negatives. Like, sure, you can theoretically say that it's bad and can mess players over, but then again you get enough Lunacy to the point where I think you can atleast afford to run a 00 team by the end of Canto 1. Unless you are genuinely the unluckiest person alive and keep getting Shi Ishmael, the free gacha identity, you are gonna have atleast a decent team to not be forced to use base identities. As for identities spoiling stuff, I don't think it's too bad actually. Captain Ishmael does reveal the existence of the Pequod and whales, but other than that doesn't do much actually, in fact I'd argue most identities give just little enough context to not be outright spoilers for a new player. Oh yeah also, about the callout: yes i still stick to my point and will die on this hill, announcers are a much superior form of fan service because PM could've just as easily shot themselves in the foot by oversexualising every Identity known to man and just making Faust's "personal Newton's cradles" larger and larger (Though I know you wouldn't mind that), and I actually really don't see why you're upset with it. Isn't it better than PM is using what they've built up over the years rather than going with the easy option or pandering? I think so atleast, and I actually love PM for that because it shows they put actual effort into their work and I think they're allowed the sow the seeds they've sown so long ago. Thats all I gotta say, but don't let my criticism get ya down. I respect you a lot, not only as the person who inspired my youtube career, but also because your thoughts comes from wanting to see Limbus be better. But I do mean it that at times your critisms sound like it's coming from irrational hatred, I'd use facts and logic more rather than subjective feeling if I was in your shoes and hated Limbus
Welvader….you didn’t just cook. You burnt down the entire city and everything with it, which results in the juiciest looking steak/food or whatever the world has ever seen. So true bestie
...Wouldn't mind a gregor swimsuit ID but yknow... I'm not sure how to respond because I'd just be parroting the video so, thanks for the feedback chum
to get a new 2 star ID, one would expect spending about 20 pulls from the new banner, but for a new 3 star ID, you should expect spending about 70 pulls from the new banner. then as 150/20*70=525>400, so 400 shard for a new 3 star is actually better than a fair deal. In addition, think about how good it is to spend 400 shard for a EGO that would take about 160 pulls from its corrisponding banner.
Where do I even begin... I'm still at work so I can't get my comment down yet but the only thing I even agree with is your achievement system if Limbus had it's gacha removed (I personally also don't think Limbus should've been a gacha) as well as the gameplay.. But I barely agree with anything here.
I know I'm 3 months late, but I gotta talk about this line. "The City just feels too livable now." My dude... the latter half of Canto lll and all of Canto lV(and hells kitchen) takes place in a Nest. You know, the places that are specifically the nice LIVABLE parts of the City? Dude spends a chapter and a half in high society and thinks the world is super nice now.
@@DinoDave935fym baby steps? You're currently at your midlife crisis. I just finished reading the dialogue for bride Gregor any my ass be soggier and wrinklier than the face of an average pitbull
idk if it's ajoke I kept missing before, but notice how he hid sinclair at every possibility for some reason the cg with ryoshu in canto 2 is purposefully hiding sinclair, the joke about kromer reacting to his grip Id, the whole section about chap 3 being skipped. something tells me he doesn't like sinclair lmao
@@bluichimiraiIt's funny Because he left a Sinclair in there, around 42:03 you can see Sinclair dying on the floor being filmed. Maybe he thought It was Don
Going to write my thoughts about this video as i watch. Will likely either edit or self-reply with continuations when i get the brainpower to keep listening because someone's already summarized the vid and its takes for me and its just not sounding great dude. CH 1; Gacha can be bad, but Pmoon already talked about how they planned to use this game's income to make other games. While "gacha bad", project moon does PLENTY to circumvent the issues of the game assuming you just pay a surprisingly small sum to temporarily "fix" the issue if you're that mad (battlepass). Ofc, this isn't true with some regions so i'll admit that there it can kinda suck, but if you REALLY want a specific unit (barring walpi, but those are not necessary at all and shardable later with a bit of prep) Rate up banners doesn't mean you have to get it. Also, that's an ISHMAEL rate up banner bruh. If it was a pequod ishmael rate up, it would be 1.5%. Again, the ENTIRE SHARD SYSTEM EXISTS where even FREE PLAYERS can get ~2 ids or egos of their choice IGNORING any lunacy income per season if they just kinda play sometimes (not even daily) I'd argue that while maybe in the first chapter the gacha is a pretty big influence, the support system means you can try whoever assuming you have ONE PERSON willing you put you in a list of 200 ppl and be nice to you (a friend one might say) Also, spoilers involving ahab ishmael are about the same in terms of spoilers involving The One Who Grips faust; both aren't that bad. They give vague information about a character that exists further down the line, sure, but they really don't spoil enough to be considered actual spoilers for ANYONE until there's someone saying that they're spoilers. Also, ahab ishmael plays NOTHING like actual ahab bruh ☠we get names of gimmicks and "oo boost allies" and thats really, really close to the vaguest you could ever get with a boss fight other than "it's a boss fight." Dude, no. "technically" beat the game with base ids is such a stretch. Yes, it's much more challenging, but the only actual painful thing to do with base ids is get EX's consistently. Also, you get plenty of free shit to touch the gacha with idk why you have a gacha ALLERGY dear lord. You can work with just about every ID you get, save for a select few like... chef gregor, who is basically just a base id but again. ALSO MF THE ONLY REASON YOU STRUGGLE WITH ENJOYING IT IS BECAUSE YOU USE WINRATE 24/7. IT IS BORING BECAUSE YOU ARE TAKING THE OPTION THAT REQUIRES THE LEAST THOUGHT AND INTRODUCES THE LEAST INTEREST OR FUN INTO THE GAME. YOU LITTERALLY ARE ACTIVELY MAKING IT WORSE FOR YOURSELF. Yeah, only 2 sinners was cool. I think they gave you sinners back because they only wanted to try the concept, or make sure doing it was functional. Again, you struggled with donbaek because of winrate. winratewinratewinrate WIN RATE IS YOUR PROBLEM OMG IT'S LITTERALLY BORING BECAUSE YOU MAKE IT BORING OMG I'll admit, rr2 was a slog, regardless. But you didn't need meta to take under the turn count for the bonus banner. I took full n corp and was 1 turn over it. 1 turn. (i then replayed and got below the threshold with- i don't even remember but it wasn't charge and it wasn't rupture either.) dude... 400 shards is REALLY NOT THAT MUCH. you are acting like you're meant to own litterally everything by playing 1 md or something. You are not meant to braindead grind every day for this shit. If you complete 1 md a week, that's 22/66 shard BOXES (free/paid) which is 22-66/66-192 shards PER WEEK from 1 dungeon. Like 1 or 2 hours of gameplay a week. Further grinding is superflous unless you really, really want that one id NOW and can't wait. You're forcing your own progress. Also, the free track of the battlepass NOW gives you a whole ass 200-300 boxes per season now too, which is in itself something of your choice IN A GACHA GAME. LITTERALLY ANYTHING YOU WANT. u4 is superflous for any id that isn't charge, really. There's a few other ids that really like it, but it's often not necessary and at best just really improves either the payoff or the conditional for the ID. honestly you could take a slash id into all slash ineff canto and guess what? when the enemy staggers they're slash fatal now. and probably dead. You can really use anyone you want and not struggle that much at all tbh. You're offering a system that would function for a flat paid game. That wouldn't make pmoon enough money to keep making games of the scales they want. I know you want to reward people for a nice thing, but the entire point of this game was for pmoon to get their feet off the ground. CH1 END|||
give it a month or two and dave will be back posting “canto 6 is peak and saved my marriage” and then continue posting bait until his next eventual “quit” lmfao
@DinoDave935 the internet has poison people so much that any unpopular, controversial, or just plainly bad opinions is "bait", they couldn't even comprehend that people can legitimately have opinions that they don't disagrees, that not everyone is making up things to drive engagement and honesty that's sad. I watched the video, and even though i disagree with a lot of the points, i still recognize that at the end of the day, it's your true opinion.
@@DinoDave935When used correctly, bait means something that is so egregiously incorrect that it’s impossible for them to be actually serious and it has to be purely for entertainment or clout. Think like, someone watching a person perfectly play a song and saying in the comments “That was fucking dog shit”
Since the first 3 chapters are the most controversial I wanna throw my own penny of change in. CH1: Gatcha is generally a bad thing, and I agree with a few things you said tbh. But limbus has a lot of systems in place (Albeit not readily clear) to make many ways to experience the game without touching the gatcha at all if you want. However I will say the game is not F2P friendly, but it definitely isn't scummy. CH2: I don't think fanservice is at all a bad thing at all. this discussion is purely opinion based thing though. And Pierre Ryoshu wasn't the only fanservice ID not in Walpurgis. In fact there is like 3. CH3: I agree with the limbus crew not getting any consequences to essentially impersonating another faction. That's an interesting point. However, just because each ID could of been seen by anyone doesn't mean they are.
@@ericraululyeetusdelyeetus5028 Eh, maybe because I buy the battle pass every season. But its just so much better to buy the battle pass over to not. Thats what I meant by my comment
Honestly the first three cantos felt like introduction to the game along with an intro to each character they weren’t amazing but far from bad either. Hell the writing in those cantos are better than most of the slop I was experiencing when I started the game. Canto 4 & especially 5 slap though. And while this might be a bit unrelated but the best thing this game has done for me is introduce me to Mili and Library of Ruina 😂
@@ChaoticShinny I said "the game is not F2P friendly" But I never said that was a problem. 10 Bucks every 3 months really isnt a big deal for most people. Especially since this is a gatcha game.
I don't subscribe to the mindset of PM being immune to criticism. Without a doubt They make great games but I think that only makes em more fun to dissect and discuss
So, this is going to be a long comment, and not many people may read it as a result, but I think you’re brave for even putting this video out, and while I will admit it’s a good video in terms of format and structure. The takes in this video are genuinely some of the worst takes I’ve heard, and this isn’t to dunk on you by any means, I do like you in some aspects, I don’t think I can well put out what I think about some of the takes here without sounding rude. I’ll structure this comment by the number of the chapters, as I’ll write out my thoughts in full for every single take in every single chapter and what I like and don’t like about them (unfortunately most of them are takes I dislike), and I’ll try to be civil about it. Getting started with: - Gacha and You (3:32) For the most part, I agree with most of Limbus’ problems stemming from it being a gacha game. No amount of “oh well this game is extremely f2p and is generous” will save it because whether or not the game is f2p friendly doesn’t address the flaws the game does have inherently by being live service. The game is simplified so that it can be digestible to a wider audience, and the compact nature of it being a live service mobile game bums down many other aspects, not just in the game design department, but the pacing of the entire game as a whole. With this in mind, the difficulty of Limbus gets crippled due to its nature in trying to appeal to a big audience, and while this game has its rare genuinely good fights, most of the fights in this game can just be boiled down to “kill boss.” (I’m going to make a side note here, Zwei Faust is, in fact, not good. N Heathcliff has pretty good uses compared to her, and Chef Ryoshu is by no means, godly.) Alright, now to the one take that I REALLY don’t like. Locking gacha characters behind the story. (Also the gacha rates aren’t bad. Compared to many other gacha games it’s pretty good but this has already been argued and there’s just not convincing you at this point.) You criticize the fact that we can get story important characters via Identities in the game and tell us that Project Moon doesn’t care about the integrity of their story because of this, when that’s a take that’s just incorrect on multiple layers. This take stems from it being “spoilers” that we can just get an ID like Captain Ishmael and it’ll spoil the kind of person that Ahab is. I disagree, wholeheartedly, because Captain Ishmael’s voice lines and her Uptie Story doesn’t spoil at all the type of story that Canto 5 as a whole tells. If I were to describe the ID, it would be a teaser on what’s to come in the story rather than just a full on spoiler. I doubt you’d be able to tell me what precisely would be spoiled from IDs like Spicebush Yi Sang or Captain Ishmael if you only had information to go off from those two, and the only thing you’d be able to tell me is their personality traits. Also, in your Ahab example, Ahab is a character who only showed up in the Canto 5 dungeon, at the end of the entire Canto. The only information we had of Ahab prior was that she sailed a crew to their deaths, which is something you won’t even know from all of the Pequod IDs. Anyways, your solution to this is, ahem, LOCKING OFF THESE STORY IDS UNTIL AFTER YOU BEAT THAT CANTO. I actually, literally, cannot stress enough how bad of a suggestion this is. This idea would ONLY work if this game wasn’t a gacha game, and FGO has already tried something like this before and have, as anyone should expect, had MASSIVE backlash due to this. You’re locking players through HOURS of content to just be able to pull an ID from the gacha. It’s not a good idea, it never was a good idea, and it never will be a good idea. It’s an idea that could work in any other genre of game, just not this one. The idea that follows is awarding players naturally for beating the story, even getting IDs for completing certain challenges within battles. I like this idea, it’s a really cool idea that works similarly to Risk of Rain 2 where upon completing specific tasks, achievements, etc, you unlock a wider variety of skills, survivors, and items for doing said tasks and it really helps with the player engagement. However, this is a gacha game, and again, I’m not much of a fan of Limbus being a gacha game but being realistic this type of system just won’t work with Limbus by nature. The criticisms that follow is Limbus forcing you to interact with the gacha. It’s a gacha game. Moving on. Dongbaek isn’t even a hard fight. Her gimmick is literally to just win clashes. Also in regards to Railway, Railway is literally the most engaging part for Limbus’s battle systems. RR2 in particular was a huge slogfest but that was mostly the fault of the abnos themselves, which they were all made to stall. Also even with the 50% more health you described the maximum amount of HP the abnos had was just at 2k. Again, it isn’t that hard if you’re running meta IDs like R Heathcliff, N Sinclair, W Ryoshu, and W Don. (Also where did you even get 7 Association IDs being meta for RR2 wtf no wonder why you were struggling this hard jfc.) Another complaint was Egoshards being used for sparking IDs, 150 shards for sparking one 2 Star ID and, the complaint here, a “whopping” 400 shards for one 3 Star ID. I can understand this a bit, now that egoshards are used for Uptie 4, I can understand being upset about it. However, I don’t think it’s that bad of an issue if you’re free to play and you don’t care about getting absolutely every single ID from the shop, to me, it’s something I don’t care much at all about and it’s not because I run multiple Mirror Dungeons a day. You get egoshards from rolling, which helps build up to getting that spark. You get egoshards from events and mirror dungeons, a lot of crates in fact, that again builds up to getting that spark. It’s not that bad of a system, don’t know why you act like it is. Also Uptie 4 isn’t something that’s required for absolutely all IDs in the game. If you’re a new player on f2p, trying to max out everything right out of the gate is just poor management of resources and you shouldn’t be trying to play like that if you don’t have the resources for it. - Who is Walpurg and why is he Nacht (14:11) Announcers are harmless to the game’s integrity and there’s absolutely no reason to get so mad over them. The fanservice event has fanservice. The sky is blue. - Pokemon Over Level 30 Won't Obey Their Trainer (18:02) The entire argument of Pokemon over Level 30 won’t obey their Trainer is pretty dumb in my honest opinion. The whole thing about Pokemon was them establishing a strong bond with their trainer and the anime proves this. Side tangent over. Honestly I dislike the idea of absolutely everything being canon too. It gets pretty absurd. That aside, doesn't IDs damage the world building? Most of the world was left mostly on vague interpretation and while I don’t like the concept of Mirror Worlds, it’s done in a way that keeps the world in check (ignore Purple Tear). R Corp is a militaristic corporation, of course, it doesn’t have any prominent dominance over The City because it can still be kept in check and rivaled by other corporations and even fingers as well as fixers. I also find this nitpick egregious because you can use the same logic for Library of Ruina. Also the IDs that are pulled still acknowledges Dante as his manager, so they still follow his orders as stated in MANY of the voicelines of the IDs that we have. The whole ID system adjusts perception of IDs to not break them, or else Dante would’ve been minced on sight by N Corp. It’s also, very clearly noted that the said IDs are not at their full power. -
Finally, all of that rant over. Now I can discuss the actual story and there’s not really much to comment on the first two Cantos as I mostly agree with your takes there. Canto 3 you so conveniently skipped which is really annoying but whatever moving on to: - Jones BBQ and Foot Massage (33:20) I don’t have much to say about Canto 3.5, you don’t like the humor of 3.5 and it’s pretty whatever, this point is valid, so I’ll just address your take on The Concept Incinerator and this gets pretty damned pretentious pretty quickly because what you have to say on it is just straight up misinformation at this point. I don’t like the idea of the Concept Incinerator, it shouldn’t exist in my opinion but it does and now i have to talk about it. How the Concept Incinerator works is that if you have the original form of something, anything, and are able to pay a cost with the thing on par that you’re trying to incinerate, it erases the concept of the original object you put in. The way you describe how accessible the technology is, is just wrong. The average Joe does not have access to the Concept Incinerate and it’s something kept behind lock doors within K Corp. The rival restaurant owner was able to get his hands on it (at an EXTREMELY LARGE fee) because he had connections with Samjo, and Samjo had connections to Dongrang who was associated with the group who made the thing in the first place. - Green Exorcist (37:22) Ughhh god, I knew this was going to be a slog but I agree that the community either loves the damned thing or hates it. I know that for sure. Describing 80% of Canto 4 to be filler is so, extremely disingenuous to the story it actually tells that it’s genuinely mind boggling how you scripted all of this and didn’t even go back to do even a smidge of research on the chapter. Canto 4’s fights were really drawn out, and I guess this was an oversight PM had because they wanted to fill Canto 4 with content for the in-between time when the Canto was still being released in parts, but the story it had to tell was so much more than what you described it being. Shrenne was an insider of the company cooperating with the Technology Liberation Alliance and Shi was ordered to assassinate her and Samjo was a shill for the company who was willing to risk being killed if it were to prove the company’s reputation. Those two side characters had meaning in the story and had enough relevance in the story to push the narrative forward IF you were paying attention at all. Again, Dongbaek is not a hard fight. Her gimmick is literally if you lose a clash then you lose harder. That’s it. Moving forward, you suggested that K Corp should tie up people and harvest organs from people, and then mocked Dongrang’s chicken farm while still cooking it up to be a gag. So, first things first, Organ Harvesting. The Rats already do this. Literal first pre-battle in Ruina. Organs are a thing that there’s no demand for because of the existence of both prosthetics and HP ampules already heals organs anyways. K Corp soldiers literally gore themselves and cut off their limbs just so that the K Corp drones can administer them an Ampule. Organ harvesting is something that nobody would invest in because of the existence of prosthetics, HP ampules, and there’s already insurance that gives you a literal body clone in the event that you take critical damage. This is explained in Oscar’s Office. Secondly, Dongrang. Your mischaracterization of him is very egregious. Going to Dongrang’s Chicken farm and by extension the Concept Incinerator. His whole shtick was that he is a selfish person who wanted to be recognized for his creation and given praise for making the world a better place. He ascended the ranks of the corporate ladder and in a delusion, put all of his faith into a corporation that couldn’t care less about him and the deaths of both Shrenne and Samjo proves to him that he’s nothing but a corporate shill, which leads up to him gaining EGO instead of distorting. That’s why Dongrang showed us around the buildings of Canto 4, that’s why Dongrang was okay with showing all of the secrets of K Corp’s food department, and that’s why Dongrang allowed usage of the Concept Incinerator, albeit at an extremely expensive price on par with the price you need to pay to erase whatever you want to erase. Finally, you say that memory erasure was a huge copout for the ending of Canto 4, which doesn’t make sense because the only thing being erased from the memories of our characters was specifically seeing their singularity and the events in there. It’s the secret to K Corp’s corporation, ofc the CEO would erase the memories of the singularity. Not only that but it’s not the first time this happens as Roland and Salvador had their memories erased of seeing the source of the Smoke during the Smoke War. This literally isn’t a new concept. This entire section of the video can only be drawn up to me saying that you don’t have media literacy. - I don’t have much else to say with the other story segments as it’s pretty roundabout and you’ve already seen my comments towards your criticisms of Canto 5, but I will mention that in the chapter describing 5.5 (51:47) you say that the bus has the ability to transport people to the Outskirts, which during Canto 5 we were already in the Outskirts because The Great Lake and Outskirts overlap. The Pallid Whale is an entity of the Outskirts. Furthermore, you say that it should be taboo to discuss the going ons in The Outskirts because it’s an exceedingly dangerous area to be in with all of the monsters that reside there, when the information we did learn of the Outskirts only confirmed the possibilities of what’s out there and that it’s an exceedingly dangerous area. I don’t think I need to elaborate further than that. Ending this comment now, this is a video with a few good takes but a lot of bad takes that can just be chalked up to not doing enough research about the subjects you were addressing here. It’s pretty brave to make a video about this sort of topic, knowing this community, but there were just many things that I either disagreed with, was straight up misinformation, or a detail you either glossed over or ignored outright. I hope you don’t take this comment too personally, I genuinely think you are a pretty funny guy to hang out with even though you do annoy me at times, but yeah these were my honest thoughts. Thank you for reading.
Oh god I also completely forgot to mention in the comment about The City being livable. The City is a dystopia, not an apocalypse. You can compare this to the setting of Cyberpunk 2077. You need the setting to be livable for it's stories and general history of the area to take shape. The City being a place you can live in is not a con because it's still a place that would absolutely suck to live in. Cyberpunk 2077's setting is an amazing comparison to this and I highly recommend atleast watching Cyberpunk Edgerunners.
@@Dememenic I also think a reason why the city feels so livable is that we mostly have been in nests. Once we got to chapter 3 it was nests we were in and then we were on the water for the next bit of content. But even still as you said this is dystopia not apocalypse and as you have a way higher chance of getting murdered in the whats probly a concrete hellscape that is the backstreets (even though I feel like backstreets could just be fields in a district like S corps)
Might be misunderstanding here, but at 42:26 They... do? It's shown in Ruina multiple times that humans aren't exactly expensive. Organ harvesting was shown as a job for rats,. Anybody above grade 4 can clone augmented bodies (with insurance) and there's also mortgages on body parts (that we know little about). It's not really shown how K-corp's healings work so we can't say for certain if the regenerated parts are regular human or the a recreation of the damaged parts. I can't exactly imagine something as renowned as THE healing corporation lowering itself to basic human organ harvesting, but they *are* a nest so...
Charge doesn't even go to 30 btw, so your achievement system would require you to know how the game works. It also would be the easiest one, cuz you can just stall and get 20 charge in like 5 turns. And the gacha is barely an issue, I started in season 2 and Im missing 2 units and 2 egos. Everything uptie 3/4 and all egos leveled. I don't even farm hard, I just spend 10 bucks on the pass, as opposed to spending money on another other gacha that expects a ton from you
Yes it doesnt.... normally, but you need a gift that allows the charge to go to 30... which is why I said immediately after that it rewards you for combining gifts and passives
@@DinoDave935 so you need a gift that will still work with the other gifts to accomplish this on turn 3? Like, I literally hit 20 charge on turn 3/4 on a lot of my MD runs where I run charge, it's still not very hard. That and if you do MD hard every week and your dailies, you actually have enough crates to generally just shard everything. Your issue shouldn't be with the shard system or gacha, but with the lack of a catch-up campaign or mechanics, because starting late is the only thing that sucks about limbus as you'll have to farm to catch up and the game doesn't want to help you with that process.
You're a braver man than I am, posting a video I'm sure you knew would be controversial to say the least, and while I don't agree with a lot of what's said, I think people shouldn't dismiss some of the genuine and well put criticisms and opinions in here, even if they are surrounded by some more nitpicky/ranty moments. To me, this was a good video, and I'm glad you got around to compiling your thoughts into one place, Dinosaur David.
Making a separate comment for this one ; It was NO secret they will, 100%, without a second thought, go to the Library. A Golden Bough is in EVERY BRANCH of Lobotomy Corporation, meaning the Main Branch of Lobotomy Corporation, now the Library, would have one, most likely the biggest if not the most important because we're after "Branches" of Light, where the main building of L Corp had the Tree Itself.... I hope I'm not the only one who's making this connection.
Yeah it was a reference to the "It's my ___ and I get to pick the ___ meme" Sorry if it came off wrong I shoulda realized it's not an obvious reference
I'm like 5 months late to this video but I can say at least, I can respect you liked practically every single comment for this video. That's some dedication right there
I understand and agree with your opinions on the gacha overall. I may not agree with some of your takes on the story, but that is just a matter of opinion and likes and dislikes. But I think your takes on fanservice are a bit weird. I don't understand the issue with the Library being mentioned, or Library IDs (or announcers)- Carmen is actively haunting the narrative, and will be doing so for the foreseeable future. Since we are currently collecting parts of her corpse, as a direct consequence of Ruina's ending, the library is unavoidable. Also, "True fans", really? I understand what you meant- that you wanted small and subtle nods to stuff, but I think that is a very elitist way to word it (even though I'm sure it was not your intention), and this is coming from someone who 100% the abno log, and got all keypages. This is more of a minor addition, but I personally don't mind canon IDs and canon mirror dungeons. In this setting, listening to the voices in your head gives you superpowers, you can transfer time, if you get hurt you can drink a potion made of ctrl+z juice, etc, so I wouldn't say they break immersion. And I'd like to point out (though it's likely someone already has, so my bad if you've getting this one spammed) that Purple Tear has been fucking with alternative realities since Ruina
I have realized by reading a lot of the comments that I have worded a lot of my stuff to elitistly and I will definitely work on that in the future. Apologies Again
whoo wee you posted that long video that makes me understand why you feel this way about limbus lots of stuff I still massively disagree with, but due to not wanting to go on a long tirade this time (and a lot of comments already say my praises and not-praises better than I could), I'll say only one that angered me TERRIBLY Gregor has still the best version of Pass on, FIGHT ME I just love his va's singing
So this is my opinion, but regarding the first half, most of the criticism about Limbus can be applied to any gacha game, which means that the problems are really against gacha as a whole and not because of limbus specifically, which I think isn't really a fair critique against Limbus. I can understand your disdain for these pain point as I do agree that they negatively impact Limbus in a Lore standpoint, but they will completely ruin Limbus as a technical and game standpoint. Gacha Ids: Some of the suggestions like gatekeeping season ids or gatekeeping canonically powerful characters are terrible ideas. They would in fact make Limbus worse as a gacha game as it will ironically cause people to grind more to be able to unlock these characters (Either through story progression or gacha progression). In fact, if you gatekeep gacha characters, some players will want to be conservative and progress through the story with the Base Id so that they could use as much lunacy to get the characters they want once they are able to unlock them. Most players won't even get spoilt much from getting season/event ids or ego. For example, I am a new player and gotten Capt Ishmael. Cool. She is super obsessed with hunting the whale. That's it. It doesn't spoil much about Canto 5, heck they might not know these characters are season ids or will appear in which canto specifically. It also doesn't reveal much about how their boss fight will function to new players. Lastly, regarding in lore strong characters, it can be explained via threads, which is like saying the sinners are fully resonating with the R corp ids yet aka not completely a op R corp merc. Furthermore, R corp identities are also one of the meta characters in limbus's id roster. So if coloured fixer do get released, i believe prj moon will make them game breaking. And if you worry that coloured id will cause powercrept. Prj moon can balance the inital powers of the identities using thread and uptie. E.g. uptie 3 being alright, while uptie 10 is meta. Fanservice: Regarding fanservice, if your point about "90% of Limbus players never played LC and/or LOR" are true. That would invalidate your critic about fanservice being "nostalgia bait". This is because 90% of the Limbus fanbase don't know any of these characters and in a way Project Moon isn't pandering to the player base's nostalgia. In fact, this benefits Lobotomy Corp and Library of Ruina more as some of this 90% Limbus Fan would be introduced to these nostalgic characters , like them and want to know more, and more likely want to try out LC and LOR to visit these characters again. Regarding announcer, yes they are there to earn extra money. But they are cosmetics and has no impact on the game technically. It like buying skins in any other gacha game. Other than that, from a Lore standpoint, you can just treat them as tape recordings from the past. However, I feel that you have a personal gripe with announcer, less so because of the concept, and more so that it panders to nostalgia bait. I agree completely, but just as you can demonize the scumminess of the gachable announcer, but you should also praise it as a optional gachable side content, something similar to getting a RR < X turns banner. Gameplay Difficulty: The most I can say is I've seen someone failed once to beat Canto 4's mid and final boss, despite having a 3* lvl 40 team and only beat it because I explained the gimmick to them. I also seen someone having difficulty progressing through the story while being underlvled and mostly using base Ids as he just joined the game 1 month prior to Limbus's 1st anniversary. Grind: I agree it's bad, but it is no different from other gacha games. In fact, i think blue archive does it better, where once you beaten a content, you can auto-beat it. I understand that there is a skip feature, but it is 100% a scam of resources. I believe it should be where the energy to reward ratio is 1 to 1. I think you should have brought that up. Mirror Dungeon is also a grind, and I'm not a fan of the game removing normal Dungeon 1 and 2 as they are anti-beginner friendly.(Mirror Dungeon 3 prefers good team compo, which beginners lack). But in Prj Moon's defence, they did try to remove Mirror Dungeon grind fatigue by ensuring that veterans can do one hard mirror dungeon per week and get all the bonuses. Any further mirror dungeon grind is up to the player's choice. I think prj moon should give more rewards for luxcavation tho. Conclusion: I think from my POV, your disdain for the pain points in Limbus Company isn't because the pain points cause Limbus to become worse as a game in general or cause it to be a bad gacha game. It is more so that it causes Limbus to be a gacha game and a bad Project Moon game that lives off its predecessor games' popularity. I do see reason when you are arguing that the game negatively impact the lore If you ask me on how to treat Limbus as unbias as possible, you should really treat limbus as it own standalone game and ask yourself these questions: 1. Has the Main story gotten better, worse or remain enjoyable from the previous canto? 2. Have the gameplay become more grindy or more fun compared to past seasons? 3. Has the gacha been more unfair or leniant? 4. Is it F2P friendly? I hope Limbus will continue to impress you in terms of it story in the future, and hopefully in term of gameplay and gacha mechanics, it will get better for everyone.
I feel like Fan Service is one of those super subjective things. Like, is it fanservice when Sweepers from Lob Corp showed up in Ruina? Is characters returning or subject being expanded being fanservice? Even if it is unambigiously fanservice, is it actually bad if its not pandering? Even what is pandering is subjective. Like, Limbus seems to be inherently a road trip/world building game that show cases lot of random districts and Corps we wouldn't see otherwise (since Project Moon isn't going to be multi billion dollar transmedia megacorp that would create game/spinoff material set place in 26 different mini settings plus beyond the city related stuff)
Honestly I feel like the "Don and Heath only" section is them using the Interlude to test the waters. "Is this gonna be okay with everyone", "Does this kind of content work in the player's eyes", same with the fact we got an Actual Shop in the BL event. Hoping we get some sort of split in Canto 6, where we end up without Heath for a bit, or hell even end up FIGHTING Heathcliff possibly with some Sinners "refusing to battle a comrade"(Probably only Don, Ishmael, Rodion, and I imagine maybe Sinclair would refuse, possibly Yi Sang too, but it'd still narrow our number down considerably, or just outright force us to use only them if it's another 7 man fight). Spoilers for various pre-Canto 6 chapters and Interludes coming up. Also, anyone else wish we got like... "Mirror World" Stages? Like we'd be able to fight using Blade Lineage against Kurokumo in a small dungeon, with the final fight being against Kurokumo Rodion, Kurokumo Ryoshu, Kurokumo Hong Lu and Kurokumo Gregor to kinda "look into" that Mirror World AND get to test those IDs before getting them? Could even involve a reverse, where you play the Kurokumo gang and "accidentally" make Meursault distort and Gregor guards the door, mirroring Jun's actions one-to-one. Or even add in post-chapter ones, like N Corp IDs fighting against "heretics" to test them out, Rose Spanner fighting robots before turning on K Corp alongside new companions, leading into an ALTERNATE stage where you fight using said companions (Sloshing Ishmael, Talismen Sinclair, and Sunshower Heathcliff), or Captain Ishmael facing off against Mermaids on her hunt for the All-Withering Crimson Whale. It'd give us more lore, more content, and even give us more reason or insight on what we'd want to pull, like "Do I like this Identity's animations?", "Would I make use of this passive?", "Would I want to use this ID?", or more importantly "Are they as useful/useless as I thought?".
Ok, wow, this video was bad. I would love to elaborate on it more, but I am not looking to type a literally thousand word essay going point by point on this. And besides that would be an unproductive waste of my time and yours. Unironically I would like to get you into a Discord so we could watch this together so I can go point by point with you. I know its never gonna happen, but I am gonna comment regardless on that off chance that you actually see this.
As someone who sat alongside him watching this, I would love to hear about it in greater detail. This video is a very interesting discussion piece and I only wish to see it be properly critiqued in detail, point by point. And I wish the same for the future video about the stories of each canto.
The everything is cannon thing has been done since lob corp (the 2x speed thingy being T corp tech and so on) and I personally find it really cool and immersive.
Alright so, before actually starting. I am not a hater, i genuinely think this is the first video of yours ive watched, and i really dont care about others' opinions on things that i like. If someone hates something i love, thats cool, whatever, we dont need to kill each other over it and both just go on our way. Now i will say, this basically only focuses on the gacha element since, again, you can dislike the game and im cool with that, its not my business. But as someone who has played way too many gachas as a f2p, Limbus has to be one of, if not the most generous gacha ever. I have played Fire Emblem Heroes, Pokemon Masters EX, Dragon Ball Legends, Dragon Ball Dokkan Battle, Alchemy Stars, Twisted Wonderland, Bleach Brave Souls, one of the Naruto ones, Genshin Impact unfortunately, and of course Limbus Company. Limbus is infinitely more f2p friendly than any of the others. Everything that is IMPORTANT can be gained for free, with some grind, and if its a seasonal ID or E.G.O, with a bit of waiting for it to appear in the Dispenser. And even the Walpurgisnacht IDs and E.G.Os can be obtained for free with shards like everything else during the event. The only thing that isnt available for free are announcers, which no matter how much someone may like the character, are nothing but cosmetic and unimportant. I HAVE to assume this is your first gacha because very few people that have played multiple gachas will ever say that Limbus Company is greedy or money grubby. 400 shards might be alot to get a 000 or E.G.O for free, yes, i can understand that. But that is ignoring the fact that it is to obtain them for free. Almost any other gacha would not allow you to get those for free. You would need to either pay straight for them, or need to pay for a premium curreny to then get them. But Limbus has taken an arguably stupid decision for a gacha, in letting people play the entire game as a legit f2p player. No other gacha would ever do that. This, from a business stand point, is the most stupid and idiotic thing PM could have ever done for a gacha, and yet they still did it. I can understand not liking the grind, but it is infinitely better than being forced to pay actual money to be able to get characters. It would have even been better from a business stand point to keep Battle Pass E.G.O locked behind actual money, but they still didnt. Even stuff from the BP, can be gotten for free, with some grind, and after waiting awhile. Limbus Company is genuinely the most f2p friendly gacha i have ever played and that is why i have spent money on it. Because i want to support PM even if its a gacha, because i dont need to pay a cent to get anything, whereas any other gacha would basically try to force you to pay. I can understand not liking Limbus being a gacha, but i cannot stress how much of a genuinely nice, gracious and f2p friendly gacha Limbus is, compared to every other gacha game out there.
My main gacha experience is Dragon Quest of the Stars and Dragon Quest Tact. So I've been burned pretty awfully before by genuinely awful consumer practices (Stars was so good why did you do it that dirty Squeenix, WHYYYY) and as such I'm just a lot more spiteful to the genre as a whole so forgive me if I come off as brash but when a singleplayer series goes gacha I dont wanna bite my tongue. Hearing that from an actual Free 2 play is reassuring at least, as long as you're able to enjoy the game it's all that matters.
@@DinoDave935 fair. Gachas can be an...."evil", for a lack of a better term, genre and then combining that with Square's....interesting practices could absolutely result in horrible burning from the genre. So I can absolutely see where your coming from when it comes to disliking the gacha elements. I've stopped playing most of the gachas I listed for one reason or the other, with Limbus and Fire Emblem Heroes being really the only two remaining that I play....and I can say that Limbus is the better of the two when it comes to its gacha elements.....and with the horrendous powercreep in Heroes right now....Limbus is probably also better in the gameplay department too. But it's fair for you to not necessarily like it because it became a gacha. Like I said, I dont mind if someone dislikes something that I like. No reason the two cant both exist
Well, there is that episode of Urusei Yatsura where the characters visits different futures and the only difference in on of them is that a dude have a mustache and a girl a different hat. Remember kids, the Don correction fanfic is cannon!
20:51 wow, this mysterious black box sinner looks so cool. something tells me that if i open the box, there will be an abundance of succulent boy flesh inside. should i do it? #unboxing
I'm pretty sure the outskirts canto is setting up PM's next eventual game. Hopefully, as I don't want this universe to be stuck in Gacha Hell forever, even though I do still enjoy limbus. If I remember correctly, the game after limbus was suppose to be a city builder. It would make sense that it would take place in the outskirts, dealing with the creatures that live out there while trying to make a new, and hopefully better, city. The Gnomes could just be a setup for an early enemy in that game.
buddy, you're missing the really big thing. When the library shows up again, and when we start dealing with them? it's going to be some kind of tower-climbing content battle a-la disgaea RPG as Angela sets challenges in order to gauge our teamwork and connections with each other to gain more data and test the limits of her own abilities. The only question is if it's a temporary or a permanent tower. :V
If this were to be true, as long as each floor is brutally difficult and they make every single Sephirah a herculean task to defeat then at least they'll keep their strength in tack and make it feel like you're fighting multiple SoTC's
@@DinoDave935 Hard to say if that'd be how it would work. The Library lost the vast majority of its bullshit power when Angela threw it all back at the end of Ruina so the only truly SotC level threat people in the building might be Binah, Gebura, and Roland while she experiments with ways to get the other Librarians to be able to fend for themselves in combat.
Halfway through the video and Im gonna stop for a bit, but I gotta say this: 1)The video is well made, as is the rest of your content 2)I feel like 90% of your takes and stuff are over dumb stuff i.e. critiques of mirror worlds and how they work (something which is still a bit of an enigma) or your pointless fanservice tangents. Honestly stuff so miniscule 90% of pmoon fans dont care abt that stuff. 3)Cool down with the negativity. Even when I agree with your takes (i.e. yuri not needing to exist past canto 1) you word them so harshly that I go right back around to disagreeing with you (saying that yuri staying would imply she would act as a self insert and that she "deserved to die", like I think being a bit more professional and saying "I have no opinion of Yuri because she was a character that was meant to be killed off for the sake of plot" would have worked way better than the way you actually worded your vid). Overall, I think the vid is well made, but is simply way being way too pissy and negative for me to fully enjoy it in one go, might update this comment when I finish watching the damn thing.
Listening to someone who knows what they're talking about as someone still confused about the games ❌ Trying to figure out whether they might be Irish or Scottish✅
I mean its clear you really dont like gachas and thats totally fair. I dont play any other gacha besides limbus. But I can say that as far as obtaining ID's go its pretty generous. I have only spent money on the battlepasses, and I have every ID and EGO cept the ones that just came out. Also the hole spiel about fanservice comes off as incredibly condescending. Also R corp is a big deal but I mean what R Corp so insane was the fact that it was a team. It's like if we call in rabbit team in Lobotomy Corp and a single rabbit shows up, they can still do some damage but will get destroyed. I mean we certainly get power checked by Ricardo in chapter 5. Most likely the power scaling will work similar to Ruina where the more Golden Boughes we gatheer the more power ID's Dante is able to pull. Also Between Two world is still the best Limbus Song and Gregor has the best Pass on. Meaning your clearly insane to think otherwise
Ricardo was a lovely fight, he is one of my favourite characters in the game for it but then he gets deus ex machina'd by Indigo Elder... But I mean without him the series woulda ended there because Ricardo is so goated lmao
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As dino Dave’s biggest hater, I appreciate the acknowledgment in the intro. Very cool Dave ❤
It literally explains in hells kitchen, that the concept incinerator has a specific range and effectiveness based on how expensive the one you bought is.
So this failing business guy only got an incinerator capable of barely erasing a small recipe from a middle aged man. It will take an absurd amount of money to attempt to even touch a language or people.
So in theory, can this range be set to power capable of erasing the Head?
@@phuhuhuhu8090probably not, The head definitely has a eye on its production to ensure it’s usage doesn’t cause the head itself to be weaken by it
@@Yuri_Burger And they would also need the original copy of the thing in order to erased it entirely (for example, if someone wants to erased mirrow technology, they would need to burn down yi sang's original mirrow as seen in the flashback or the window of brother young ji)
@@Yuri_Burger ofc, but just this thing exsistance fucks up alot of stuff. Like isn't Head has like infinite amount of money? So they could just erase library.
@@phuhuhuhu8090 The head is mysterious AF!!!! So we probably won’t know what’s their true ideology till VERY much later
mfw the tech that pulls from the infinite possibilities of other worlds pulls from infinite possibilities of other worlds
16:14 "Let's face the facts, 90% of Limbus Fans haven't played Ruina"
The recent survey poll by ESGOO which has a sample of 9K+ players (more than the average daily player count of 7K+) shows that only 15% are Limbus Onlys and a
ok lets nitpick numbers a second:
-daily player count is steam, innit, meaning mobile warriors aren't involved iirc??
-The people most likely to reply to an ESGOO survey are the ones most likely to be at least knee-deep into projmoon fandom
so there's definitely some kind of margin of error in this particular survey poll, though it's almost certainly still below 90%.
@@TeeQueueSA and just because someone hasn't played a game doesn't mean they haven't seen it from let's plays or lore vids or watched the cutscenes on youtube
@@Plaugus_Screenzyeah, that's me
@@sKUREVO ok
Wow cant believe that ProMoon fan is illiterate is cannon
I would be fine if Dave's opinions were based off facts and logic or just his subjective opinion and just that
but a lot his complaints just tend to be just speculation and assumptions on what he thinks Project Moon is doing and layers and layers of misinformation and it really sours my mood when I watch the video
I do understand that it doesn't really come out from a place of malice but it still really bugs me but I do agree with most of the gameplay gripes he has
Yep yep yep, gacha paypig cope.
Misinformation? Forgive my curiosity but can you elaborate a bit more please
Are limbustards really lying? This is just sad.
@@DinoDave935
I mainly meant that a lot of your opinions seemed to be based on misunderstandings/assumptions about Project Moon, the characters, the community, the gameplay and the worldbuilding. When you base your opinion off a fact that can be proven false, it rubs me the wrong way too.
Generally, there is also a line where speculations/misunderstandings becomes misinformation especially when it isn't signposted well and a large audience is going to be viewing
I cannot speak for what you have not stated in the video, but I can speak for what you directly stated in the video
Here are some of the of the more egregious examples (The comments have also pointed out many of these):
Entire section on concept incinerator
Numerous comments have pointed out discrepencies with this section, including how they never stated it could erase humans or entire offices. Or we don't know how much the cost scales with effectiveness/range/how embedded the concept is.
"90% of Limbus players not played Ruina"
Steam stats and Esgoo's census heavily contradicts this, but it could be selection bias or not including mobile players(for Steam stats). But im quite curious where Dave got this number from?
"Distortion Detective will never get a proper conclusion"
PM never said anything about not giving it a proper conclusion or the proper conclusion being in Limbus
"Dante has the ability to pull any ID he wants"
We already have seen some limitations from Walpurgisnacht and we can infer some of the limitations from the banners being released.
The community treats canto 4 as if "you love it or hate it"
I have never heard this before, I only heard people say they hated the filler fights or just found the story boring
I would think this comment applied more to canto 5 than 4?
"People who call canto 4 their favourite canto remember fly my wings scene and nothing else"
This is a hedged statement but I still wanted to talk about it. I don't know if you browse Project Moon related social media or other Project Moon content creators. They have plenty to say about why they like canto 4 even with the release of canto 5, just look at comments on playthroughs of canto 4. Content creator THPdom has been vocal to this day about why canto 4 is way better than canto 5.
Small Nitpicks that bugged me:
"Spicebush was the first 7 sinner fight"
"Moses and Ezra are from LCA"
I found it irritating because they are so easy to disprove with just a teeny bit of research
This is not a piece of misinfo but the entire section on the gacha was poorly framed and I don't really think reflects the free to play or new player experience that well as many have pointed out
Many other creators have made criticisms in their videos and even made entire videos of criticism but don't receive as much hate/dislikes as this video
This probably comes down to two things:
1. Tone and demeanour
As many have pointed out, it sounds somewhat elitist
2. Research
see part on misinfo
On a lighter note, I similarly rate Canto 1 > 2 > 3. Based
@@AudibleNoiseContentnow this is a fantastic response
Bro did NOT just disrespect Canto 3 like that 💀
Hating game mechanics being canon when thats been the thing Project Moon has been doing since their first game lmao. Every game mechanic in LobCorp except New Game Plus is literally canon, including restarts. Library? Its all canon, the invitations, the replaying of old fights, the fail and try again of new fights, its own mini-gacha. Complaining that everything is canon in Limbus and how it breaks everything, while it was perfectly fine in LobCorp and Library is like a hundred times more pink-nostalgia-goggles take than enjoying Walpurgis content because its a nice throwback to established entities in the world.
Idk, it sounds a lot less like you're struggling to like this game but gacha is in the way, and a lot more like you WANT to hate the game purely for gacha but can't because its still great PM storytelling, so you grasp at every negative straw in the book to justify it beyond just 'gacha bad'.
Hasn't watched the video reward
Woah Now, Pink Nostalgia Goggles? Go watch my season 1 review, get to the Hell's Chicken part (or just read the comments) and you'll see that I'm not a fan of a lot of stuff Ruina does either. The only PM thing I think is genuinely perfect is DD and that's objectively correct.
Ruina has gacha too but the way it handles it is much more professional in the sense that you have to earn the books you roll with and then you get the powers of the foes you just fought. It's a gradual climb in scale and for all intensive purposes it's kinda like DQMJ or Pokemon by getting the abilities of the enemies you fight as you fight em instead of just rolling for the abilities of a boss 5 cantos away from you.
Because I don't think you'll be satisfied with that answer here's a list of something wrong with every piece of PM content of the top of my head
- LobCorp: Story aside the gameplay loop is really rough with it being a trial and error fest, not to mention it ALSO has gacha mechanics with the abnos you get and getting a bad abno could screw an entire run. But even aside from the balancing is plain wack at times with a HE weapon like "Life for a Daredevil" Being one of the best in the game... HUH?
- Ruina: Just the entire second half of the game really. I've said it before in previous videos but SoTC has such a massive tonal and pacing shift that it really threw me off for the rest of the game
- Wonderlab: The Ending with Rose was realllllly forced, but other than that I actually cant think of much wrong with WL lol.
- DD: it ended
- Leviathan: Mirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrror worlds
@@Felipe45345Nah, I just took page out of his book and watched all the way up until he starts with the story, quit watching because all the arguments are such predatory "gacha bad, throwbacks bad" bait, but just had to also come back to make a lengthy comment explaining why I was objectively correct in quitting watching it, rather than quietly walking away.
@@Heroman3003I accept your concession.
confession@@Felipe45345
Good video but I have to disagree with you on Wallurg As from what we’ve learned, the identities are canon in a way that does not truly affect the story as they are the centers from different timelines so I think it’s OK for them to make these identities from them, we see different perspectives of the sinners as they are thrown into different situations that they couldn’t have experienced within the story of LimbusCompany
The mirror was way wackier in leviathan anyway
I was just going to comment on this, glad you did it before me
@@user-gk4sv3yv7tdo remember, what is in leviathan isn’t the mirror. It’s a more screwed up version called the window.
@@user-gk4sv3yv7tyeah didn’t one of the people that came in contact with that experience the Black Silence ID?
@@goodhunterchurch1117i have not read leavithan please explain
im not sure a gacha more generous than limbus even exists, project moon throws currency at us constantly, roll tickets are handed out like candy too. Its a gacha that does not want to be a gacha, youll get three stars without even really trying for them. For the problems this game has, gacha isnt one.
Oh, and to note the library music is also cannon now lmfao
SO many bad takes in the first half hour
That part when he said that the canon of gachas, mirror dungeons and other systems as bad are really bizarre tbh.
I guess I kinda understand, but it really connects you as a player storywise as the actions you do [such as grinding] an actual thing which can make you feel like you have done impact as a manager.
Anyways, it is his opinion after all
He's better at making meme tbh.
Nihil nooo D:
seeing you say that is like looking at a disappointed dad
@@DinoDave935 Take the L, son.
@@NIHIL_EGO :(
I'm confused about why you're so bothered about previous pm properties being brought back up in limbus. Isn't limbus quite literally a direct sequel? Imagine not bringing up lobcorp in ruina or ruina in leviathan. I just don't think that complaint makes much sense.
Yes bro I don't get it either
It like a waste of potential. Like the series is relatively short as is with it being 3 games. I just feel like the time spent bringing up past stuff that adds very little could be spent making entirely new stuff and expanding the world
@@DinoDave935
They are literally doing that too
@@DinoDave935but the past itself is also being expanded upon. And we are also exploring new wings and such.
@@DinoDave935what the fuck, do you not remember the great lake.
As someone who has played Fate/Grand Order before - no, just no. Characters being locked behind chapter completion is a crappy mechanic that shouldn't be added. Story-wise, it somewhat improves the story's integrity, but gameplay-wise you have characters/IDs that are MUCH more rare than others if you won't go out of your way to not roll gacha right until you unlock them, which definitely should not be the case for gacha games.
what the hell do you mean the outskirts are taboo?
this is such a bad take do you want us not to explore something more intersting?
discovery is part why i still follow up on limbus
Outskirts are probably one of the interesting thing in the project moon world. The monsters, ruins, dark forest….all of those are contain outside the city walls
I honestly agree, limbus shouldn't explore the outskirts, alot of the time when people try and expand on locations such as this they tend to just ruin (heh) the mistque of what could be (also it just feels wrong to explore the location in limbus instead of the next main game considering the sequal to ruina is likely to be set there considering... well the library is there...
OUTSKIRTS NEVER WERE TABOO IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! Ever since LobCorp it's been mentioned MANY times that many organizations does expeditions to the outskirts.
@@lostgem8225We've only just been exposed to a tiny portion of the Outskirts, and it's all about a species and a town. In a way, this kinda counts as fan-service since Limbus is mainly limited to just the City.
I don't feel as if the Outskirts lost its magic since we haven't even touched on the Forest, the Library, ruins, or what kind of civilizations live out there
Btw, there is no information about a LOR sequel taking place in the Outskirts, just a vague mention of a DLC...
When I say taboo I mean it's more something that people might be afraid to talk about, or even if we were going to go there give it a lot of buildup because they're a big deal.
Just plopping us in kind of takes away from a lot of the mystique that surrounds it but hey, at least we know people live there so we will go back later
i dont understand the whole fanservice thing. this is a game set in the same place and time (basically) and canon as the previous games it is borrowing from. and the whole point is youve got every possible alternate version of these 12 characters. is it fanservice if the whole game is centered around the idea of recycling characters and factions etc?
like what would bad fanservice in a game like this look like? (excluding lewd stuff)
I just want them to do new stuff instead of living in the past because something about pulling from a game that came out only 3ish years ago for "Nostalgia" just fells cheap.
Now it could be worse, I think a Red Mist ID is about as bad as it's gonna get in the future but still
@DinoDave935 I understand your perspective, it's definitely a bit lazy when it comes to all that. But in all honesty I'd be pretty hype for a red mist Id not for nastoliga but because thats litteraly my favorite color fixer, but your completely valid for how you think, personally I love the id's from past games
(Also sorry I'm kinda shit at spelling)
@@DinoDave935i suppose that's fair. a character shake up like N corp faust would certainly be more interesting than "myo faust". Though I would think this fan service would have to be very consistent to bother me at all. something like a couple in a row with zero originality in between.
@@DinoDave935 Are we just going to completely ignore the season ID's? N corp, K corp, The Middle, anyone from the Great Lake, and everything new that Limbus introduced? Not to mention 80% of the abnos and egos in this game are completely new.
@@freshwalten172 this comment was ghostwritten by Don
If bro’s making an opinion despite saying the words “I haven’t played it”, I’ll disagree with the video and say “I haven’t watched it”.
lol, I coulda lied and said I did so I appreciate the honesty :D
@@DinoDave935 aint you lying then
@@g0ld3nkomaino82 I aint lyin
but bro said that only about 5.5-2, not the whole thing right?
@@boomer1212 Exactamundo
To be fair about the "Forced" SP drain, you can completely avoid it and i think that was the intention. You were supposed to avoid the actual gain of the shit and it was relatively easy to do tbh, it isnt Forced its just a Gimmick, kinda like what ruina had.
you can avoid the SP drain? how?
Same, asking how
Not get hit?
@@Solaris2000APB just don't proc her blooming effects, she only inflicts it when she hits a Sinner or when she successfully evades which are both very preventable
@@Solaris2000APBdon’t let her touch you. Always touch her.
I stopped watching after the nostalgia bait argument. Claiming the ID's are introduced in a non canon way is a poor opinion considering we clearly see how the mirror technology works in a canonical sense. I would agree that it's inclusion can be problematic in the sense of power scaling (In both directions) but PM has given the tech limitations which plays well into the story without balancing issues. An example of how it builds the story would be in Chapter 5, where Ricardo beats the identity off of Ishmael. While Ishmael could be as supercharged as Ahab, the fact that the device Dante uses to alter the sinners IDs needs resources to get a more true form of that ID and needs to be improved over time regardless of said resources allows the mirror technology to be a tool without being over or underpowered.
Another issue I had was how you made uptying OOO and EGO seem incredibly difficult. 400 shards can be acquired in about 3 mirror dungeons (5-6 for free to play) with no need to even touch gatch. I agree that reserving certain IDs for story challenges would be an amazing addition, but openly disregarding the gotcha as some cheap cash grab is being overly critical of PM's decision to basically fundraise their next project while massively raising publicity for the PM universe.
I want to enjoy your content more, but your view and opinion of PM's decisions is really getting in the way of that.
Fair Enough
How tf are you getting 400 shards from 6 mirror dungeons? Am I doing something wrong? It feels like it takes me literal days just to get 50
@@secretx3029 Every hard mode mirror dungeon gives you 69-72 shard crates when you use the weekly bonus (23-24 without Limbus Pass). Every crate gives 1-3 shards, so you get 69-216 shards at maximum reward from MDHM (23-72). In 6 weeks of doing one MD per week, you get a total of 387-1296 shards (129-432) per 2 months.
@@secretx3029commenting here to see if he might show us his way
@@secretx3029 Do your dungeons while weekly boosts are active
want to comment on some stuff that i did find worth discussin in the video
1. the fact that getting a character you dont know about yet might ruin it for some, but in my experience havin recently like seen friends pick up limbus at first none realized that the character ID they had was supposed to be that character until after like a bit more time. Like it ended up not ruinin it for them since like, they dont know the character yet at all and ence wont make that connection like we do. Plus we already had this in canto 1 even, with gregor havin his roach id dispite most of us not having played through canto 1 before that point, or the yuri faust id we didnt make the connection that it was supposed to be yuri after like some weeks had passed. All in all, this point cames from an understandable fear, but one that in my experience with recent newbies it ended up not being an issue, or maybe i just have very oblivious friends :P.
2. that point of getting IDs thanks to the story although sounds good, its just ruina 2, would too like to get more free shit, but arguably the ids are already free if one just grinds the mds enough times every week, so makin it easier i fear would just make pm just lose out on too much gain to keep the service up along side fueling other projects sadly, at the end of the day its self admitted that limbus is made to make money so to have a good Lobotomy corp 2 and Distortion detective game. The idea is cool, it would make a better game? maybe!, but its just, its not goin to happen for the game is a gacha, and honestly? i dont mind if limbus is a gacha for 2 main reasons. 1 that its the only game project moon will ever do with micro transactions and with this kind of shit, kind of like the one to get all those bad things so that no future project moon game will need them or use them, cause why implement them to any future project when you already have limbus? ence its a sacrific i think is worth it. And 2, that this is a game oriented at long future development and that its just a more easier to update and make game they will have as the front row atm while they work on future titles, cause honestly project moon cant depend on people's charity and constantly using kickstarter for every single future game they want to make, and they probably dont want to just have us sit around for 4-6 years empty handed till lobotomy corp 2 cames out glitchy and unoptimized due to a very poor budget, think that with limbus, they can suministry as much time and resources to make even better games at the future, that they now have the funding for a good Lobotomy corporation 2 or DD game, and that too we will no longer have to spend YEARS without any content at all from them from game to game.
3. Fun fact, i actually got very critized in the past for suggesting locking sinners away in story segments, like before canto 5.5 many people where very against not being able to use the sinners that they wanted when i mentioned like Outis betraying us in her chapter and us not being able to use her in some fights. So i think that in the future def we will have more limited sinner fights.
4. As for max level and Uptie, i wouldnt worry that much about it, cause honestly it seems that the rule of thumb right now for the game its goin to be that for every new season, new levels for luxcavations will drop alongside it along with an updated Mirror dungeon, meaning that our methods for getting tickets and thread and egoshards will only get better and better with the seasons. which imo i just trust that pm will handle it well enough so that it doesnt get sloguish in the future to get maxxed out.
5. Would agree on the mirror dungeon grind being a slog in the past, but recently in md3 they made it actually shorter and more optimized so that its generally more fun to experiment and do shit all around, so like they where aware of the issues of md2 and went and fixed them, and again i do agree that more free stuff would be cool, but sadly its like quite impossible for the kind of genre of games limbus is that that will end up happening, we already have it incredibly good that we can not depend on the gacha to get ids and egos much better than a lot of the gachas where its just, you have to pull and nothing else.
6. Your issue of teambuilding was actually fixed in md3, where they introduced a mechanic where the game rewards you with extra rewards and more cost to use during the run if you use characters that are different than the last run. Meaning it is tryin to incentivize you to use more different teams in exchange of being able to get more ego gifts and other buffs in the mirrordungeon so that its easier and faster to do along with allowing you to do new and wacky sinergies, i would argue that if they keep improving md3 in future seasons it'll be the best system for farming that they could get.
(the long ass text continues down below in the commets, sorry it got as long as the bible itself T-T)
7. The fanservice is canon, walpurgist even has its own story segments explaining why we even see ruina or lobcorp characters, that being that its just a time period where mephi's mirror range amplifies through several more years of time allowing other wise impossible ids to be obtained now. All the ids and all the ego are full on canon, and i dont find the reasoning to be silly because... the story itself has been very dependant on that the mirror technology (the one that makes the IDs) is basically the main moving the plot, like Hermann wants to destroy that tech, Kromer getting obsessed with an identity of Sinclair to the point where she tried to torment him enough to turn him into that identity, Yisang's whole arc. Over all i just see walpurgist as another event, with those IDs being equally canon even if they are absurd, after all when you implement a technology that literally can look into every reality in existance it'll innevitably mean that some faces within those infinite worlds will end up being familiar ones(which btw isnt even news, as Iori in ruina too did something similar with how she could jump between dimensions and worlds as she wanted to, meaning that its not even smth limbus exclusive, nor ruina exclusive either as the mirror of adjustment and some tools too hinted at taking a look at alternative or paralel worlds, so the planning for the mirror tech could be argued that goes back to day 1 of lobotomy corp)(also the sinners arent just grabbing said ego from lobcorp and using it, those ids are explicit employees of lobotomy corp that have been working over there for a while and the ids simply being reflections of those worlds where the sinner had that style of life)
8.The sinners will end up goin into the library and this was speculated even before limbus's release. mainly due to us collecting literal branches of light, and the library being.... a tree of light...
also i dont see the point of complaining that they are using stuff from the same already stablished world? its like, what do they do delete it from existance? the game before it ended ence its not usable any of those ideas ever? its kinda like a bit too pessimistic imo, i dont mind at all them using already stablished people like molar office or goin to the library since its places that do exist in the world and its people that do exist in the universe, ence innevitably if you have a cast of characters that are just goin around through that world it ends up being that they will meet up with already existing ones, just like how in ruina we had to fight the rabbits, and we had to fight the sweepers, i dont really feel the complaint here honestly.
9. The announcers i just feel like they are innoffensive in every aspect. The angela one was more to celebrate both her birthday and the limbus anniversary being in the same day. And i dont mind them in the absolute as they are not even gameplay influencial, imo its a fun novelty all together. I too didnt like having to pull for them, but honestly i dont mind just getting past characters as announcers at all. We really dont know what even the announcers are in canon or if they even are canon, but i do feel like they are prime opportunities for like, just a little extra fun over all, not necessary for progression, and simply there for either completionists, or for any particular big fan of said character that is announcing, i just have them be on the same tiers as banners, a cosmetic thats simply there for the enjoyment of the self.
10. Everything being canon is a trope project moon has done since Lobotomy corporation, like they even canonized the artistic style of the game itself through cognition filters! i would argue that if limbus would have been the only one to break this rule it would have been a huge dissapointment, since the invitations and the book pages and abno pages and ego where canon in ruina, the hp bullets where canon in lc, the fact we can return back in time was canon in lc, the fact we could redo fights in ruina was canon... over all making every single game mechanic and aspect canon so far has been a staple of pm games, and if limbus would have been an exception, it would have actually imo done it harm, right now a thing i love a lot about pm games is that the gameplay is connected to the story, and it ends up being a whole bunch of surprises to learn how this or the other thing ends up being canon. Another thing but this one falls into a more personal, i do enjoy a ton more when game aspects and mechanics are actually canon, some time ago played another game and found it frustrating how in the story it was supposed to be like a 1 vs 1 the character was goin to have her being all along, but when it came to gameplay you didnt even have the character unlocked but you where fighting with a complete different set of characters that wherent even in that specific time and space all together, and after the fight she just acted like she did it all by itself, for me that took me out of the inmersion of that game, and just really destroyed the feeling of the moment to just out of nowhere just not be using the character im following in the story at any moment in the fight but having to use other characters i saw a moment ago that are miles away from the current one living completely different experiences while the character was having her supposed 1 vs 1.
11. Mirror worlds technically where introduced with Iori.
12. i think you completely missunderstood how the mirror tech works, first of all we have this tech thanks to yisang, second of all we just cant pull anything we want out of our asses, the pulling range supposedly amplifies and expands with time as more possibilities are discovered within the mirror itself.
13. another thing is that the rcorp that used to be and the rcorp we may be using now may be quite different, remember how 4th pack ended in ruina? like they where supposedly goin to be quite heavily punished and shit, wouldnt be surprised if they ended up being weaker rn, along with that throught always, the 4th pack strength came from being able to shit out very well trained agents almost effortlessly making them have a very big army, they have strength in numbers, but when they are just 1 unit they aint that special or strong except the pack leaders. We see this more clearly in Lobotomy corp where we need like 20 to 30 rabbits to take down one whole WAW, while the sinners just take on WAWs and HEs by fighting with 12 fellas. As for kromer or others not being afraid of said rcorp and stuff, its just 1 rabbit, she prob like doesnt care about one single rabbit goin after her, she would be more afraid if it was a whole armada, cause remember, Rcorp isnt feared for their individual strength, but for the fact they will throw you like 100 soldiers all at the level of rabbit heath to attack you at once. And too makes sense that kromer isnt afraid, she is a big name in a corporation herself, she prob like doesnt fear another singular corp's soldier that much, the same as to why she prob doesnt mind neither seeing suddenly a kcorp soldier out of the blue with us.
14. The stuff you mentioned about multiverses is actually canon, like you know how some ids are 0, 00, and 000? well those are just mean how common it is for that sinner to end up in that life, 0 ids basically is the stuff you say like "gregor making a sandwitch that morning" and shit, ence why they are so common and why they are the most basic of the pulls since its the higher chances you will just get to see in an alternative world like the same guy but doin just one thing slightly differently, where as 00s and 000s are more higher rarer chances, like the chances that they would have taken a different carrier path or style in life or whatever ending up being the most rare pulls that one can make.
15. indeed everything is canon, but not everything is canon at the same time, the mirror tech will definetly get more profundized and more developed in the future, but atm there are some things that are base works in all of the mirror worlds, 1 that iori's child is dead in ALL of them, and that too it seems that like not every mirror world can just be wack stuff completely off the rails, they all have some logic or have to play within that character's past, cause atm if you do notice some small hints, in all mirror worlds ryoshu has the same katana on her back that she refuses to use, in all mirror worlds ishmael has her little head band from queequeg, in all mirror worlds gregor loses his arm or has it be changed in some way, in all mirror worlds don quixote has her rocinante boots even the Ncorp one has her boots simply inside the armour, in all mirror worlds Heathcliff is equally scarred, in all mirror worlds rodya has the same chest tattoo, in all mirror worlds Outis has the same watch on her right wrist. Meaning that the mirror technology can only look at reflections of that same already existing world, not just be able to do rick and morty shit of accessing any multiverse in existance, its limited in some aspects.
16. I still dont get the complaint of everything being connected being bad, Ruina did it, wasnt an issue, wonderlab did it and it wasnt an issue either(the setting being in lc, depending on the magical girls for a story point, a whole ass ending depended on the events of lc of day 50), DD too did it and it wasnt an issue(the setting itself depeded on ruina and the actual events happening in ruina, both DD office and the library where raising in the ranks, even DD meeting up with some guests and shit before hand). Their previous media did depend on the last one before hand, but they could stand on their own, same happens with limbus too. Imo i think maybe this complaints are coming more out of a place of frustration in your end? like from being frustrated of the gacha aspects of the games, and it being a genre that you dont like, which again is understandable, not everyone can enjoy every kind of genre, but just that i just fail to see how its ok for ruina to depend all the time on LC abnos and Lc elements for its story, but when limbus does it its not ok anymore even if they do it waaay less, as after all limbus is a continuation of the pm world, not a side story. Cause imma be honest, the same exact thing will happen in LC2, and in whatever next game pm makes, it'll have references that tie it to the previous titles just like limbus and all its predecessors did and had, cause what pm is aiming at is an interconnected world where it seems that its building towards a very big event in the end, that being the 3d action RPG game they have as an endgoal. Meaning all games will innevitably have ties.
And finishing writting this as like i dont want to end up sending a whole ass bible(it kinda is a whole ass bible looking back lmao), but over all wanted to share my own perspective and insight on some points, in a bit of hopes that it may help you see some aspects on an easier light and so that they may not haunt you as severely. I am enjoying the video so far and you have done a stellar job on the writting and editing, along with understanding most of your grivances just came from you not liking gachas which is very very understandable, ence why i made such heavy emphasis on taking it as that this'll be the only gacha pm will ever have, and that limbus is more as a stand in meanwhile they are making the DD game(YES this game is still in development, ezra and company being in limbus is just more so a spoiler for how their story originally ended, but over all they did promise us a DD game, and i have hope they'll deliver no matter what) and LC2 game on the background without having the pains of having to rush it or make it asap in incompleted forms like they had to do with Library of ruina, and too like not having to sell themselfs to a big company like microsoft or whatever avoiding things like the big publisher strangling whatever desicions in gameplay/story aspects they want to take or whatever else letting them have creative freedom over what they will make. Limbus can be viewed as a good thing in my opinion, in that pm will be independent and be able to make future other games as good as they want to thanks to the 1 sin of the game they have atm.
Over all i do agree that sometimes taking breaks from games and series is good, i take them myself from other media like for example fnaf, minecraft, undertale, tf2 and a very large etc of games i sometimes just leave for a while so to like refreshing my enjoyment, and over all its what i can best advice ya man, as i see that many of your criticisms where mainly out of being frustrated with the game and not takin in some aspects or ground rules that where shown around, to not force yourself to play anything specifically and to do whatever you most want to as long as its not harming anyone else.
Btw again great video, dispite this long ass rambling i did enjoy it! and leaved my like, and i urge you to please do not take anything i have said here with any bad faith or stuff, i mainly just writted this all down hoping i could somehow make some concerns you have or complaints be more light over all and possibly end up being able to enjoy the game in some future moment a ton more. Best of luck in future videos and excited to see whatever you have next planned in the future Dave!!
Ngl make longer but seriously you cooked up a 5 star meal
On point 1.
Since Ruina PM always spoils indirectly the story of the game.
I can even argue that Lobotomy also did this because almost all abnormalities are tied with characters and are spoilers without context.
The entire String Theocracy at the start of Ruina is just a massive spoiler that you have 0 context of.
Is a lot like how Jojo Intros are filled to the brim with spoilers that are not coherent without the proper context.
So after certain bit of story happenes the watcher or player gets a eureka momen and can connect the dots.
YEA! imo its quite cool when like you rewatch the early content and just go like "HOLY SHIT THIS WAS HERE BEFORE AND I DIDNT NOTICCE!?", like its sometimes cool imo..@@Helem5XG
A statement from Project Moon had come out long before the game even launched that I have incredible respect for: the fact that they very transparently said that Limbus Company was a gacha, and it was fully intended to rake in money to fund the studio and development of other projects. I don't care how money-grubbing or fanservicey any of PM's practices are in this game because they've already stated that this is what it is for; and despite being a "cash-grab" of sorts, it is still a great product with typical PM care baked in.
Sure, it's not like this is a disclaimer everyone must acknowledge before playing, but it is public knowledge. Limbus is a phone game that makes money. Expectations shouldn't be kept very high, and despite that, they are frequently met or exceeded where they are misplaced.
Regardless, good work. See you around, Dave.
I lost faith in that announcement a long time ago especially at the PM anniversary a few months ago where they said work on other games had ceased and it's all focused on Limbus for the forseeable future. Once again only time will tell.
Thank you for the kind words
@DinoDave935 I understand your viewpoint, and it is valid. My personal thought is that this decision was due to the limitations of the studio and popularity of the game; that being said, I still expect Limbus to be what they said it would in the first place.
I too will be especially excited for what may come in the future.
I'll be honest, i don't necessarily care about the fan service, the announcers, the potential red mist id or the intermingling of past IPs. however this all changes when(and i really pray to god it doesn't) this game becomes a cashcow, as in the game simply doesn't end. i trust that there's an ending to this story, and i can only hope I'm right.
@@DinoDave935 please go do a Samjo and never fucking speak of PM again you filthy heretic
@@boomer1212there will be a ending it will take a long time but we will be able to tell and we can roughly estimate the length of the game at minimum their will be 12 main chapter maybie even a extra 1-2 for donteh and Virgil then whatever the finale with herman and the blue gang 2 electric boogalu which could be a extra chapter or two
The alternative if we want to stretch it realy long then it could be a new story segment and we move from the inferno to purgatory and then potentially whatever the last third of the Devine comedy as the sinners get better and better so at most 36 chapters (excluding 5.5 and from now onwards about 2 5.5's so that is a bit extra but some chapters they could opt out of 5.5's for more story content as we near the end of major climaxes.)
Also it does need to end for any games to be set after limbus and the city builder could be after the city becomes to unsafe or smth.
Right, I'm writing this comment as the video goes, so I do apologize if I repeat points as this goes on. I’m not even halfway into the video and I’ve already written a full page on my Word doc, this is going to be a long one.
As of right now, my main gripe with this video is your assumption that you're speaking for anyone but yourself. For excample, "The remaining 10% of us who played ruina don’t care about this guy” (paraphrasing) says who, you? Because I fucking love Taein’s design. I rocked his drip on my nugget all the way up until I got access to Yan’s drip. You don’t get to speak on my, or any other player’s behalf, for what _we_ think on Limbus or Ruina. (Also the 90% of limbus players are limbus only statistic is of questionable origin, don’t throw around numbers and statistics if you can’t back it up)
Second sticking point, “You gotta swipe and engage with the gacha mechanics to get the shit you want.” provably untrue. If you discount Walpurgisnacht, I have not pulled for a single 000 in this entire third season using lunacy. Most I sharded and 2 I pulled using the guaranteed 000 ticket you get. The fact that you use “Base IDs only” as an analogue to anyone’s experience as a free to play is obscenely disingenuous and misrepresentative of what Limbus’ F2P experience is like. Everyone gets *some* good 00 and 000 IDs without much effort, fucking look at any streamer that only plays limbus occasionally. Not to mention, the Support system exists, which lets you borrow one of the many IDs that can single handedly trivialize any story content in the game.
Also, you seem to be under the misconception that Mirror Worlds simply EXISTING “Irreversably damages the worldbuilding and investment in the story forever”. Worldbuilding? Fuck it, I think you’re wrong, I think the way PM integrates alternate dimensions while not allowing free travel from our world to others while allowing limited travel from other worlds to ours is great, and I question your media literacy for letting speculation and misinformation drive your critique of this matter since it’s explained that all IDs get their power level normalized so canonically stronger ID get weaker and the weaker IDs grow stronger so the goons would’ve witnessed that the R corp. member they were facing were in fact a chump canonically, *inhale* but fuck it, it’s your opinion, I can live with my disagreements. But *Investment*? WHOSE investment? Yours? Mine? The playerbase as a whole? Because I can tell you right fucking now there’s a significant amount of the playerbase that disagree with your claim. Just...stop speaking on other people’s behalf man, it’s not good practice.
I take fucking issue with “Multiverse means anything can be canon”. Just because a set contains infinite members does not mean everything is contained within that set. This is a fundamental misunderstanding as to how fucking set theory works. THAT’S RIGHT BABY WE’RE DIVING INTO SET THEORY (not really). Just because the multiverse allows everything that could happen ever to exist, that doesn’t mean something that COULDN’T HAPPEN could exist because of the multiverse. Just because a set contains every positive integer (infinite), does not mean that set contains negative 1, or negative 2, or pi, or i, or negative infinity. And even if it DID work in the ass backwards way you think it does, the mirror worlds that you made up wouldn’t matter because the fucking refraction rate wouldn’t allow anyone to access those mirror worlds that are too far from this reality. THIS IS TEXT IN THE GAME. GOD THIS IS SUCH A DUMB CRITICISM. THINK FOR ONE FUCKING SECOND AND YOU CAN SEE WHY THIS ISN’T THE CASE, GOD.
Alright I’ve cooled off a bit let’s continue.
Your criticism on them showing all the antagonists too early feels...weird. As in, no they didn’t, they introduced 3 people. When, I’m inferring here, there’s probably going to be about twelve total. Letting 3 people speak 2 lines each in the prologue’s fine to establish their existence early on in my opinion.
On your criticism regarding the city feeling too livable by the end. On one hand, I get it, the city that we see in Lob Corp being this hard-bitten impossibly evil place too harsh for any person too live in is an astoundingly interesting setting. But...the city getting better is the entire thematic core of the project moon games. They are, at their hearts, stories about how no matter how bleak and shit the circumstances, effort and care as a human being can improve the world you live in. That’s the entire crux of The Light being set free upon The City. It is an optimistic story set in the bleakest world imaginable. And that’s why I hold it so near and dear to my heart. You may disagree with the decision to make The City a less bleak place all you want, but I don’t know how you can expect PM to take their story any other way.
Alright you letting your bias against sinclair get in the way of media criticism is just disappointing. The fuck’s up with you and his character anyway? It just seems childish at this point.
On the concept incinerator, someone already explained why your criticisms of it is misplaced at best, so I won’t get into it. Tl;dr, the original needs to go into the concept incinerator, it only affects a certain radius, and its use is restricted and probably prohibitively expensive.
Right, onto canto IV. I do find it odd that your definition of “playing it as intended” is “not playing them as they are released and are marked on the map” and instead “the way you prefer”. But, if that’s the way you want to play, then go for it. I have no complaints.
On you not caring about any characters in canto IV. Not sure how you managed that, I sure as hell was invested in the tension between Dongrang Dongbaek and Yi Sang.
What- the spicebush dongbaek fight loses you like 15 SP a turn on *one* sinner, anything more is an actual, legitimate, skill issue. The fucking drones I can get, since those are team-wide forced sanity loss. But complaining about Dongbaek’s feels...odd. (It is also not the first 7 sinner fight come on man.)
I’m still not sure *what* your actual problem is with “Everything being canon in PM games”. It’s been over 40 minutes and I don’t think you’ve explained your gripe with it all that well aside from the Mirror Worlds thing a few paragraphs back. So what if the mirror dungeons are canon? I don’t see the point here. Same thing with Fanservice. You always talk like it’s a bad thing, but I still don’t understand why you consider it such.
Wait what? Since when is the Outskirts a taboo subject? We see it in Ruina when Argalia was exploring the abandoned L corp facility and it gets established that A) People live there and B) Monsters also live there. There’s nothing much new explored in canto 5.5. that hasn’t already been told to us in ruina.
Aight, since you didn’t play 5.5.2, I’m just...not gonna watch this part. Fair enough I think, right? What insight can someone who didn’t bother playing the thing provide about the thing?
I'd also like to add that the multiverse isn't even a new thing-- it's existed since Ruina. The Purple Tear's ENTIRE THING was walking between timelines to work towards a specific goal. Which is basically what the ID thing is, to a lesser extent. So that makes the criticism even more nonsensical.
Comment too long, need subway surfers gameplay in the background
@@kamanira don't forget they're mentioned in LOBCORP with the Mirror of Adjustment
@@loos123 Imagine the Mirror of Adjustment is an Abnormality born from Yi Sang's contribution to the collective unconsciousness
@@kamanira that would be a sick way to show just how big Yi Sang's impact was on the City to the point that he caused an abno to come to existence
It could also force you into a gimmick that shuffles the levels of your IDs around randomly just like the abno did in LobCorp so that some of your IDs reach levels you shouldn't be accessing yet (for example 60) and others end up with like level 10
Theres already over 100 comments so I won't just sit here and yap the same thing as everybody else, but alot of your criticisms feel like nitpicks and small icks rather then anything major. It's clear you just don't like the game (mainly cause it's a gacha) which is fair, but it just feels like you're overcompensating.
Limbus ain't perfect at all and I appreciate having someone who thinks differently so we don't all end up in PJM circlejerk and I'm especially appreciative of how receptive you are to the criticism you're getting but this video REEKS
I can't remember the last time I saw someone use the word reeks lmao
thank you though
My god, that whole comment is because of this guy giving constructive criticism. Really shameless
i can’t say limbus is irreversibly damaging PMs worldbuilding when despite Lob Corp, Ruina, Wonderlab, DD and Leviathan, we still know next to nothing about what’s going on and where the story is headed, but I can understand why you called attention to it
Limbus of course has its flaws and I still believe Lob Corp and Library are far above limbus, but bro didn't cook
Same
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dino, i like you, but this is the most L video you have ever done outside of the smash or pass, and please just stop hating on sinclair or dante(like how?????????????) for literally nothing
Oh man I forgot I made that, yeah that was a rough one on my editing software I did wayyyy too many layers lol
hard disagree on the gacha portion, even as f2p if you just do your hard mirror dungeon every week and maybe one or two more you'll have plenty of crates to get the new id's
modules for xp tickets are also painfully easy to get and the game isnt shy about giving the players free stuff either. do i have every id and ego maxed as f2p? no. but do i need it? also no. i can get the ids i want and thats more than just about any other gacha game would offer for f2ps
I agree with you on this points the gatcha grind is a lot better than 90% of other Gatcha games and the value of the battle pass is absolutely perfect if you do the math it would take at most 1-2 weeks to save up enough boxes as a f2p and that is only doing 1 hard mirror dungeon a week. Limbus is one of if not the most generous gatcha.
he keeps quitting the game so i'm not surprised he is poor in about any currency avaible in the game, and for someone stating the game late i can see how insurmountable it would be, i play the game since launch only buying the battle pass and i didnt do a single pull outside of the "forced" walpurgis nacht gacha while still owning every single ego and unit in the game while having over a thousend thread and shard chests sitting around, and i only do my 1 hard run a week not like some crazy grinders who are doing like 10 normals every week
Hell yeah. I didn't get captain Ishmael, but sharded her after clearing the stations.
It's the one gacha I am fine with.
I have like 67k lunacy as you can see near the beginning I just didn't interact with the gacha portion when I did play because I got a full team of 3 stars in Season 1 and early season 2
@@DinoDave935 happy to get shown a different timestamp but first time we seen your lunacy was around 11 minutes where you got about 12k.
I don't think limbus gacha in its current form can really be criticised as it's unseen in the entire gacha genre there isn't a game as generous even the ones that were considered as such before limbus release, though I agree no body would be mad if they would just remove the gacha alltogether and make them unlockable through story progression even more so spoiler id's like spicybush yi sang and captain ishmael with the crew.
Uhh idk about the whole Ruina fan service stuff. Personally i enjoy it, it kinda feel elitist or gate keepy with the way you word your opinion
Exactly my thoughts…
I apologize for sounding elitist then.
@@DinoDave935 it’s alright, maybe it’s just your choice of words.
@DinoDave935 it is fine, I don't think you are that kind of person
Gatekeeping is good though
Things that are apparently bad
-Gameplay mechanics are explained in lore
-You can't buy 000 Ids from the Shop without playing the game
-Enemies don't react differently depending on what Ids you use
-Kromer does react when you use a certain Id
-The sinners don't stop listening to the person that keeps them alive whenever they get an Id with a higher social standing
-The machine that has access to infinite mirror worlds does in fact have access to infinite mirror worlds
-PM adds Ids based on characters from previous games
List of actual Complains
-Gacha
-Story progression doesn't reward the player with thematic Ids
-Leveling Ids is about as fun as putting your head in a meat grinder
oh sweet an hour of pure yap just dropped.
Dave takes the L once again.
Good video. But I do hate how elitist it gets regarding the fanservice, as there is inherently nothing wrong with it.
Yeah, PM did really good in that department in my opinion.
And even if they didn’t do it well, (which is subjective) most people seem to like it. So should it not be in there even if most players want it?
secondary babble
I understand it, universes beyond that are basically a bunch of crossovers for magic the gathering (a card game) made me quit it.
I personally dont have a issue with it in limbus because they still are from the same franchise.
all of your criticisms and praise are coming "from a place of love" you say?
Yes I have been so afraid...
Bait used to be believable.
Where's the Red Mist Picture when you need it
@@DinoDave935Probably in the same place as the Canto 3 segment
didn't you announce quitting limbus like 2 weeks ago because of the angela announcer
Yeah, And I don't play it, I just wanted to finish the video :)
@@DinoDave935can you not being a clown and quit pm game
@@DinoDave935 Then delete your channel and stop being on the web. You do not deserve to speak of this fandom without being its part.
@@duyanhbui5386 Please, I beg you, Watch the video
I did enjoy this video but your negative feelings toward gacha and fanservice is really showing. Asking a game to fully take itself serious and not have any humor, locking identities from being able to summon until you reach a stage, having stuff like mirror dungeon and gacha not cannon etc sounds like a bad idea. Summons being lock straight up sounds predatory tbh.
Edit: I explained why i think this is predatory in the other comments so i'll just copy and paste my comment here as well.
Let's think of the new players here. Imagine some ruina players finally decided to play limbus because they like Kim. If summons were locked they wouldn't be able to play their favorite character until they spend literal hours. Characters also has a better chance of apearing in their own banner meaning if a player hasn't reached a specific stage they wouldn't be able to summon on the banner that has a higher chance to give them the character they like forcing them to farm for shards or wait for them to get a meursath banner. This MIGHT be exceptable for now but imagine getting to the canto 10 and you can't get an identity you want because you need to beat a total of 9cantos plus 9 to 18 mini cantos until the banner time runs out. Aaaaand THIS is where the predatory part comes in. You have a limited stamina and it refills itself very slowly..BUUUUUUUT you can use your precious lunacy to refresh them whenever you want and you can also purchase lunacy with money as much as you want. Locking some characters not only give some players a deadline, it also kinda forces them to use lunacy for stamina and rush the story without enjoying the game and it's cast. There is also a chance that the locked character is super broken (like kim meursalt) or is a key unit to some really fun teams(like middle don). Lastly a game isn't intriguing for new players if it blatantly punnishes you for not starting early which WILL damage their revenue later. A gacha game always need new players for profit.
Summons being locked up until you beat certain stages is straight up what Fate Grand Order does and everyone who plays the game hated that to the point the devs barely do it anymore.
Keep speaking facts
Does it sound predatory though? Please elaborate because I haven't played Fate and I don't get why people think it is.
Because to me it seems like the devs are just trying to keep their story intact and let new players experience plot points twists and turns like anyone else who had been playing since launch. And also because of powercreep they'd be getting the better ID's as they came out through the years and not just waffle stomping everything.
@@DinoDave935 Perhaps not exactly predatory but if someone has a particular interest in a character or group it is directly in the way of letting them enjoy the game by getting and using those characters as they wish, heck most of the story locks barely have any major plot twist regarding them and are still advertised as is on banners that everyone can see.
The way FGO keeps its story integrity is instead hiding details of those characters on story completion. Like for example during the period known as Epic of Remnant all of a characters skills as well as their name had pseudonyms with their profiles being vague but once you cleared their part in the story you got the full details.
Characters being locked behind story events isn't actually predatory, everyone has to go through the story to unlock them, hell, even game like Honkai Star rail has (or had, didn't played after first big update) couple of characters like that
Regarding Distortion Detective being not self contained anymore, the writing was on the wall as soon as it came out tbh. Multiple Key Pages mention Moses or Dias, Dias was a major force in the Smoke War thus connecting her to Lob Corp and subsequently Ruina to a lesser degree. The crew going to L Corp's Nest also could have been a point of possible connection between DD and LoR, but that is something that was never utilized.
Look I'm sure they'll handle it... well but I still think it shoulda stayed self contained. At the end of the day more Yuria, Ezra and Moses is more Yuria, Ezra and Moses so yippeee
@@DinoDave935They may get VAs as well, so that's also worth getting excited about if they show up in a main canto
@@dylanmcglothlin7636 wanna put a bet on binah's va being moses'
R corp has a lot of strength in numbers stuff going on, it's not fair to say every enemy we meet should start panicking when they see a rabbit (even though in reality they should)
P.S im the most ardous limbus hater but i can not agree with majority of critiques here
Everything has to be explained in lore cause that's what pm always did
Announcers and random shmooks from early ruina story are the most inoffensive forms of fanservice
DD crew having ties with limbus just means Dias is running the show, and i was mostly pissed cause goddamn why are you spoiling DD characters surviving. The city is also not continent sized, you can see that it's size of Belgium just by looking at map in game, it kinda makes sense for us to keep running into more or less notable people in place this small, it's frequency only exaggerated by a couple times
i doubt the average person even knows how exactly R corp soldiers look like
The city house 7 billion people btw
Yeah the city isn't continent sized, it's more like a samll country
Last time I checked, Belgium cant house the entire population of earth
@@thypybrodude9377 they aren't trying hard enough
>wants to get rid of gacha without considering how the studio will make money
>wants more free shit
>doesnt consider how live service games work
By God, I hate this video already
Go play LoR or LC, or any traditional pay to play game.
The point of a f2p live service gacha game is playing over time...
Get a grip, your "advice" would bankrupt them
Thanks for having it on in the background while you did something else
@@DinoDave935Its not a video worth much attention by itself unfortunately.
Spending so much of the video talking about removing the gacha, when thats half the reason Limbus exists, is certainly a choice
Followed up by complaining about identities being canon, while using the now non-canon wonderlab
Wonderlab was never stated to be non canon... It's a very Touhou 98 situation where everything in it is Canon... Until something new happens that may contradict it and then the new thing takes priority.
See for example WARP Trains which were primarily used for transporting goods in WL but then people in Ruina, now they could still do both but that's just an example off the top of my head
@@DinoDave935Wonderlab has literally been expunged from existence on request of the author of the comic and I doubt ProjMoon will disrespect their wishes for the whole thing to just stay gone. The only things canon left from it are things that have been canonized in Ruina - the three abnos that made appearance there.
Honestly while I enjoy limbus let’s all be honest we would all prefer it to be an actual game than a gacha. But realistically it wasn’t going to happen so I just don’t see the point in dwelling on it much.
@Heroman3003
and even then, those abnos weren't invented by wonderlab. They were unused lobotomy corp abnormalities that project moon has full rights to.
Bait used to be... Believable?
Where is the Red Mist Image when you need it (Part 2)
Maybe because Project Moon don't have money to make the next game like the they want an open world game but to do that they need to gacha they don't have "Chinese investor" and the game is ban in China.
I don't understand what I just read can you explain a bit please
@DinoDave935 he saying that limbus company is being used to make money for the next project moon game
@@DinoDave935 And that the game is banned in China, limiting a huge chunk of potential money that could've been funneled into said next PMoon game(the biggest Gacha Consumer, in fact most of the profitable and popular Gacha games are Chinese, like Genshin Impact or Arknights).
@DinoDave935 did you forget Project Moon is in an entirely different country
@@DinoDave935 It mean two thing.
1.In order to make more money they need a gacha game as a source of money because the alternative are very risky as Project Moon probably don't rely other company and potential scammer too
2.When I said "Chinese investor" I mean the Chinese gacha player who want to play Project Moon but can't due to the Chinese policy of gaming(i.e: no violence,smoking and drinking,no blood,...)
an hour long video?
splendid. now i can edge to you 1 hour straight
huh
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I understand
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Never let bro cook again 🔥🔥🔥
Bro lost his cooking license 🔥🔥🔥
ngl, even obvious ragebaits from no name 100 sub channels shitting on limbus were less infuriating than this. Honestly, the thing this video reminds me most of is this terrible (now delited) video about Palworld from channel "Subjectively".
I can't believe I got called out, so I guess I have to leave a comment lol. Anyway, great video and you put a lot of effort into it, but to be honest I can't agree with most of the complaints. Chapter 1 is great and makes good arguments and there is room for a proper discussion there, but I felt like a lot of the later chapters are just subjective and based on personal opinions, and honestly just kinda at times makes me feel like you irrationally hate something for no reason other than to hate on it. To be honest, I can't say much more on it because it is opinion afterall lol
The gacha I don't really agree with, but I can see where you're coming from. Though, I do still think that how generous the gacha is kind of counter out the negatives. Like, sure, you can theoretically say that it's bad and can mess players over, but then again you get enough Lunacy to the point where I think you can atleast afford to run a 00 team by the end of Canto 1. Unless you are genuinely the unluckiest person alive and keep getting Shi Ishmael, the free gacha identity, you are gonna have atleast a decent team to not be forced to use base identities. As for identities spoiling stuff, I don't think it's too bad actually. Captain Ishmael does reveal the existence of the Pequod and whales, but other than that doesn't do much actually, in fact I'd argue most identities give just little enough context to not be outright spoilers for a new player.
Oh yeah also, about the callout: yes i still stick to my point and will die on this hill, announcers are a much superior form of fan service because PM could've just as easily shot themselves in the foot by oversexualising every Identity known to man and just making Faust's "personal Newton's cradles" larger and larger (Though I know you wouldn't mind that), and I actually really don't see why you're upset with it. Isn't it better than PM is using what they've built up over the years rather than going with the easy option or pandering? I think so atleast, and I actually love PM for that because it shows they put actual effort into their work and I think they're allowed the sow the seeds they've sown so long ago.
Thats all I gotta say, but don't let my criticism get ya down. I respect you a lot, not only as the person who inspired my youtube career, but also because your thoughts comes from wanting to see Limbus be better. But I do mean it that at times your critisms sound like it's coming from irrational hatred, I'd use facts and logic more rather than subjective feeling if I was in your shoes and hated Limbus
Welvader….you didn’t just cook. You burnt down the entire city and everything with it, which results in the juiciest looking steak/food or whatever the world has ever seen.
So true bestie
Let bro be the 10th chef
You are the sloppiest slopper pmtuber
...Wouldn't mind a gregor swimsuit ID but yknow...
I'm not sure how to respond because I'd just be parroting the video so, thanks for the feedback chum
Never in my life have I seen so many bad takes in one video 😭
But some of them were completely valid though
First time for everything eh?
@@DinoDave935 Yuh
dino dave... is washed...
Unbothered. Moisturized. Happy. In My Lane. Focused. Flourishing.
to get a new 2 star ID, one would expect spending about 20 pulls from the new banner, but for a new 3 star ID, you should expect spending about 70 pulls from the new banner. then as 150/20*70=525>400, so 400 shard for a new 3 star is actually better than a fair deal. In addition, think about how good it is to spend 400 shard for a EGO that would take about 160 pulls from its corrisponding banner.
Where do I even begin... I'm still at work so I can't get my comment down yet but the only thing I even agree with is your achievement system if Limbus had it's gacha removed (I personally also don't think Limbus should've been a gacha) as well as the gameplay.. But I barely agree with anything here.
I know I'm 3 months late, but I gotta talk about this line.
"The City just feels too livable now."
My dude... the latter half of Canto lll and all of Canto lV(and hells kitchen) takes place in a Nest. You know, the places that are specifically the nice LIVABLE parts of the City?
Dude spends a chapter and a half in high society and thinks the world is super nice now.
"Huge Pmoon fan reads the lore for the first time"
Baby steps
@@DinoDave935fym baby steps? You're currently at your midlife crisis. I just finished reading the dialogue for bride Gregor any my ass be soggier and wrinklier than the face of an average pitbull
But did he really?
11:07 WHAT ARE YOU HIDING FROM US DAVE?!?! HOW MANY SINCLAIR SHARDS DO YOU POSSESS?!?!
idk if it's ajoke I kept missing before, but notice how he hid sinclair at every possibility for some reason
the cg with ryoshu in canto 2 is purposefully hiding sinclair, the joke about kromer reacting to his grip Id, the whole section about chap 3 being skipped. something tells me he doesn't like sinclair lmao
@@bluichimiraiIt's funny Because he left a Sinclair in there, around 42:03 you can see Sinclair dying on the floor being filmed. Maybe he thought It was Don
@@jorgel.2563or because he saw Sinclair being filmed suffering and kept it in
Playing Limbus is the game my brain rot has increase than watching Lobotomy and LoR because I cant afford the game.
Why don't you quit? You clearly don't enjoy it.
I have quit, I havent played it in months aside from to get footage the other day lol
@@DinoDave935My HERO followed his own ideals. As well, I mostly agree but the point about the outskirts was stupid.
Bye for now!
We‘ll be waiting, and we’ll be happy. One day, he shall return. And rejoice we shall.
See you later!
See the reason I was laughing because by that logic, there is a Mirror World out there where *I'm* Faust
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@@DinoDave935 And who's to say it isn't the same Mirror World you mentioned, huh?????? hahahahaha
@@Alyssciel dont you dare flirt with my irish man
@@Shiroiniko_ I don't. I see Dave as a little brother and I like teasing him hahahaha
@@Alyssciel Good. Excellent. Phenomenal.
Going to write my thoughts about this video as i watch. Will likely either edit or self-reply with continuations when i get the brainpower to keep listening because someone's already summarized the vid and its takes for me and its just not sounding great dude.
CH 1;
Gacha can be bad, but Pmoon already talked about how they planned to use this game's income to make other games. While "gacha bad", project moon does PLENTY to circumvent the issues of the game assuming you just pay a surprisingly small sum to temporarily "fix" the issue if you're that mad (battlepass). Ofc, this isn't true with some regions so i'll admit that there it can kinda suck, but if you REALLY want a specific unit (barring walpi, but those are not necessary at all and shardable later with a bit of prep)
Rate up banners doesn't mean you have to get it. Also, that's an ISHMAEL rate up banner bruh. If it was a pequod ishmael rate up, it would be 1.5%. Again, the ENTIRE SHARD SYSTEM EXISTS where even FREE PLAYERS can get ~2 ids or egos of their choice IGNORING any lunacy income per season if they just kinda play sometimes (not even daily)
I'd argue that while maybe in the first chapter the gacha is a pretty big influence, the support system means you can try whoever assuming you have ONE PERSON willing you put you in a list of 200 ppl and be nice to you (a friend one might say)
Also, spoilers involving ahab ishmael are about the same in terms of spoilers involving The One Who Grips faust; both aren't that bad. They give vague information about a character that exists further down the line, sure, but they really don't spoil enough to be considered actual spoilers for ANYONE until there's someone saying that they're spoilers. Also, ahab ishmael plays NOTHING like actual ahab bruh ☠we get names of gimmicks and "oo boost allies" and thats really, really close to the vaguest you could ever get with a boss fight other than "it's a boss fight."
Dude, no. "technically" beat the game with base ids is such a stretch. Yes, it's much more challenging, but the only actual painful thing to do with base ids is get EX's consistently. Also, you get plenty of free shit to touch the gacha with idk why you have a gacha ALLERGY dear lord. You can work with just about every ID you get, save for a select few like... chef gregor, who is basically just a base id but again.
ALSO MF THE ONLY REASON YOU STRUGGLE WITH ENJOYING IT IS BECAUSE YOU USE WINRATE 24/7. IT IS BORING BECAUSE YOU ARE TAKING THE OPTION THAT REQUIRES THE LEAST THOUGHT AND INTRODUCES THE LEAST INTEREST OR FUN INTO THE GAME. YOU LITTERALLY ARE ACTIVELY MAKING IT WORSE FOR YOURSELF.
Yeah, only 2 sinners was cool. I think they gave you sinners back because they only wanted to try the concept, or make sure doing it was functional.
Again, you struggled with donbaek because of winrate. winratewinratewinrate WIN RATE IS YOUR PROBLEM OMG
IT'S LITTERALLY BORING BECAUSE YOU MAKE IT BORING OMG
I'll admit, rr2 was a slog, regardless. But you didn't need meta to take under the turn count for the bonus banner. I took full n corp and was 1 turn over it. 1 turn. (i then replayed and got below the threshold with- i don't even remember but it wasn't charge and it wasn't rupture either.)
dude... 400 shards is REALLY NOT THAT MUCH. you are acting like you're meant to own litterally everything by playing 1 md or something. You are not meant to braindead grind every day for this shit. If you complete 1 md a week, that's 22/66 shard BOXES (free/paid) which is 22-66/66-192 shards PER WEEK from 1 dungeon. Like 1 or 2 hours of gameplay a week. Further grinding is superflous unless you really, really want that one id NOW and can't wait. You're forcing your own progress.
Also, the free track of the battlepass NOW gives you a whole ass 200-300 boxes per season now too, which is in itself something of your choice IN A GACHA GAME. LITTERALLY ANYTHING YOU WANT.
u4 is superflous for any id that isn't charge, really. There's a few other ids that really like it, but it's often not necessary and at best just really improves either the payoff or the conditional for the ID.
honestly you could take a slash id into all slash ineff canto and guess what? when the enemy staggers they're slash fatal now. and probably dead. You can really use anyone you want and not struggle that much at all tbh.
You're offering a system that would function for a flat paid game. That wouldn't make pmoon enough money to keep making games of the scales they want. I know you want to reward people for a nice thing, but the entire point of this game was for pmoon to get their feet off the ground.
CH1 END|||
give it a month or two and dave will be back posting “canto 6 is peak and saved my marriage” and then continue posting bait until his next eventual “quit” lmfao
Bait? Is that what people are calling it now?
@DinoDave935
the internet has poison people so much that any unpopular, controversial, or just plainly bad opinions is "bait", they couldn't even comprehend that people can legitimately have opinions that they don't disagrees, that not everyone is making up things to drive engagement and honesty that's sad.
I watched the video, and even though i disagree with a lot of the points, i still recognize that at the end of the day, it's your true opinion.
@Fujimokou985 oh. Oh its just slang that I'm too old to understand, thanks for the explanation lol
@@DinoDave935When used correctly, bait means something that is so egregiously incorrect that it’s impossible for them to be actually serious and it has to be purely for entertainment or clout.
Think like, someone watching a person perfectly play a song and saying in the comments “That was fucking dog shit”
Since the first 3 chapters are the most controversial I wanna throw my own penny of change in.
CH1: Gatcha is generally a bad thing, and I agree with a few things you said tbh. But limbus has a lot of systems in place (Albeit not readily clear) to make many ways to experience the game without touching the gatcha at all if you want. However I will say the game is not F2P friendly, but it definitely isn't scummy.
CH2: I don't think fanservice is at all a bad thing at all. this discussion is purely opinion based thing though. And Pierre Ryoshu wasn't the only fanservice ID not in Walpurgis. In fact there is like 3.
CH3: I agree with the limbus crew not getting any consequences to essentially impersonating another faction. That's an interesting point. However, just because each ID could of been seen by anyone doesn't mean they are.
Been F2P. Still am.
Dunno what the fuck you're on about. It's as friendly as it can possibly get.
@@ericraululyeetusdelyeetus5028 Eh, maybe because I buy the battle pass every season. But its just so much better to buy the battle pass over to not.
Thats what I meant by my comment
@@StazTheBeave i mean isnt that the whole point of the battlepass being there? to be worth it so you'll buy it..?
Honestly the first three cantos felt like introduction to the game along with an intro to each character they weren’t amazing but far from bad either. Hell the writing in those cantos are better than most of the slop I was experiencing when I started the game. Canto 4 & especially 5 slap though.
And while this might be a bit unrelated but the best thing this game has done for me is introduce me to Mili and Library of Ruina 😂
@@ChaoticShinny I said "the game is not F2P friendly" But I never said that was a problem.
10 Bucks every 3 months really isnt a big deal for most people. Especially since this is a gatcha game.
and now with bride greg
Entire video's entire point has became null due to my husband's new drip.
They coulda given him a more creative arm, just sayin...
But Gregor is getting a WaW and that's all that matters
@@DinoDave935 Holy shit are you ever happy ? Good fucking stars dude...
@@NIHIL_EGO I literally just said I'm happy he's getting a WaW lol
@@DinoDave935 THEN ACT LIKE IT ! I'm starting to believe you are doubting the genius of Kim Ji-hoon-nim (may peace be upon him)...
i do disagree with a lot of these points, but it's good to have someone in every game that's not afraid to criticize the developers
I don't subscribe to the mindset of PM being immune to criticism. Without a doubt They make great games but I think that only makes em more fun to dissect and discuss
So, this is going to be a long comment, and not many people may read it as a result, but I think you’re brave for even putting this video out, and while I will admit it’s a good video in terms of format and structure. The takes in this video are genuinely some of the worst takes I’ve heard, and this isn’t to dunk on you by any means, I do like you in some aspects, I don’t think I can well put out what I think about some of the takes here without sounding rude.
I’ll structure this comment by the number of the chapters, as I’ll write out my thoughts in full for every single take in every single chapter and what I like and don’t like about them (unfortunately most of them are takes I dislike), and I’ll try to be civil about it.
Getting started with:
- Gacha and You (3:32)
For the most part, I agree with most of Limbus’ problems stemming from it being a gacha game. No amount of “oh well this game is extremely f2p and is generous” will save it because whether or not the game is f2p friendly doesn’t address the flaws the game does have inherently by being live service.
The game is simplified so that it can be digestible to a wider audience, and the compact nature of it being a live service mobile game bums down many other aspects, not just in the game design department, but the pacing of the entire game as a whole. With this in mind, the difficulty of Limbus gets crippled due to its nature in trying to appeal to a big audience, and while this game has its rare genuinely good fights, most of the fights in this game can just be boiled down to “kill boss.”
(I’m going to make a side note here, Zwei Faust is, in fact, not good. N Heathcliff has pretty good uses compared to her, and Chef Ryoshu is by no means, godly.)
Alright, now to the one take that I REALLY don’t like. Locking gacha characters behind the story.
(Also the gacha rates aren’t bad. Compared to many other gacha games it’s pretty good but this has already been argued and there’s just not convincing you at this point.)
You criticize the fact that we can get story important characters via Identities in the game and tell us that Project Moon doesn’t care about the integrity of their story because of this, when that’s a take that’s just incorrect on multiple layers. This take stems from it being “spoilers” that we can just get an ID like Captain Ishmael and it’ll spoil the kind of person that Ahab is. I disagree, wholeheartedly, because Captain Ishmael’s voice lines and her Uptie Story doesn’t spoil at all the type of story that Canto 5 as a whole tells. If I were to describe the ID, it would be a teaser on what’s to come in the story rather than just a full on spoiler. I doubt you’d be able to tell me what precisely would be spoiled from IDs like Spicebush Yi Sang or Captain Ishmael if you only had information to go off from those two, and the only thing you’d be able to tell me is their personality traits. Also, in your Ahab example, Ahab is a character who only showed up in the Canto 5 dungeon, at the end of the entire Canto. The only information we had of Ahab prior was that she sailed a crew to their deaths, which is something you won’t even know from all of the Pequod IDs.
Anyways, your solution to this is, ahem, LOCKING OFF THESE STORY IDS UNTIL AFTER YOU BEAT THAT CANTO.
I actually, literally, cannot stress enough how bad of a suggestion this is. This idea would ONLY work if this game wasn’t a gacha game, and FGO has already tried something like this before and have, as anyone should expect, had MASSIVE backlash due to this. You’re locking players through HOURS of content to just be able to pull an ID from the gacha. It’s not a good idea, it never was a good idea, and it never will be a good idea. It’s an idea that could work in any other genre of game, just not this one.
The idea that follows is awarding players naturally for beating the story, even getting IDs for completing certain challenges within battles. I like this idea, it’s a really cool idea that works similarly to Risk of Rain 2 where upon completing specific tasks, achievements, etc, you unlock a wider variety of skills, survivors, and items for doing said tasks and it really helps with the player engagement. However, this is a gacha game, and again, I’m not much of a fan of Limbus being a gacha game but being realistic this type of system just won’t work with Limbus by nature.
The criticisms that follow is Limbus forcing you to interact with the gacha. It’s a gacha game. Moving on.
Dongbaek isn’t even a hard fight. Her gimmick is literally to just win clashes. Also in regards to Railway, Railway is literally the most engaging part for Limbus’s battle systems. RR2 in particular was a huge slogfest but that was mostly the fault of the abnos themselves, which they were all made to stall. Also even with the 50% more health you described the maximum amount of HP the abnos had was just at 2k. Again, it isn’t that hard if you’re running meta IDs like R Heathcliff, N Sinclair, W Ryoshu, and W Don. (Also where did you even get 7 Association IDs being meta for RR2 wtf no wonder why you were struggling this hard jfc.)
Another complaint was Egoshards being used for sparking IDs, 150 shards for sparking one 2 Star ID and, the complaint here, a “whopping” 400 shards for one 3 Star ID. I can understand this a bit, now that egoshards are used for Uptie 4, I can understand being upset about it. However, I don’t think it’s that bad of an issue if you’re free to play and you don’t care about getting absolutely every single ID from the shop, to me, it’s something I don’t care much at all about and it’s not because I run multiple Mirror Dungeons a day. You get egoshards from rolling, which helps build up to getting that spark. You get egoshards from events and mirror dungeons, a lot of crates in fact, that again builds up to getting that spark. It’s not that bad of a system, don’t know why you act like it is. Also Uptie 4 isn’t something that’s required for absolutely all IDs in the game. If you’re a new player on f2p, trying to max out everything right out of the gate is just poor management of resources and you shouldn’t be trying to play like that if you don’t have the resources for it.
- Who is Walpurg and why is he Nacht (14:11)
Announcers are harmless to the game’s integrity and there’s absolutely no reason to get so mad over them.
The fanservice event has fanservice. The sky is blue.
- Pokemon Over Level 30 Won't Obey Their Trainer (18:02)
The entire argument of Pokemon over Level 30 won’t obey their Trainer is pretty dumb in my honest opinion. The whole thing about Pokemon was them establishing a strong bond with their trainer and the anime proves this. Side tangent over.
Honestly I dislike the idea of absolutely everything being canon too. It gets pretty absurd. That aside, doesn't IDs damage the world building? Most of the world was left mostly on vague interpretation and while I don’t like the concept of Mirror Worlds, it’s done in a way that keeps the world in check (ignore Purple Tear).
R Corp is a militaristic corporation, of course, it doesn’t have any prominent dominance over The City because it can still be kept in check and rivaled by other corporations and even fingers as well as fixers. I also find this nitpick egregious because you can use the same logic for Library of Ruina. Also the IDs that are pulled still acknowledges Dante as his manager, so they still follow his orders as stated in MANY of the voicelines of the IDs that we have. The whole ID system adjusts perception of IDs to not break them, or else Dante would’ve been minced on sight by N Corp. It’s also, very clearly noted that the said IDs are not at their full power.
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Finally, all of that rant over. Now I can discuss the actual story and there’s not really much to comment on the first two Cantos as I mostly agree with your takes there. Canto 3 you so conveniently skipped which is really annoying but whatever moving on to:
- Jones BBQ and Foot Massage (33:20)
I don’t have much to say about Canto 3.5, you don’t like the humor of 3.5 and it’s pretty whatever, this point is valid, so I’ll just address your take on The Concept Incinerator and this gets pretty damned pretentious pretty quickly because what you have to say on it is just straight up misinformation at this point.
I don’t like the idea of the Concept Incinerator, it shouldn’t exist in my opinion but it does and now i have to talk about it. How the Concept Incinerator works is that if you have the original form of something, anything, and are able to pay a cost with the thing on par that you’re trying to incinerate, it erases the concept of the original object you put in. The way you describe how accessible the technology is, is just wrong. The average Joe does not have access to the Concept Incinerate and it’s something kept behind lock doors within K Corp. The rival restaurant owner was able to get his hands on it (at an EXTREMELY LARGE fee) because he had connections with Samjo, and Samjo had connections to Dongrang who was associated with the group who made the thing in the first place.
- Green Exorcist (37:22)
Ughhh god, I knew this was going to be a slog but I agree that the community either loves the damned thing or hates it. I know that for sure.
Describing 80% of Canto 4 to be filler is so, extremely disingenuous to the story it actually tells that it’s genuinely mind boggling how you scripted all of this and didn’t even go back to do even a smidge of research on the chapter. Canto 4’s fights were really drawn out, and I guess this was an oversight PM had because they wanted to fill Canto 4 with content for the in-between time when the Canto was still being released in parts, but the story it had to tell was so much more than what you described it being.
Shrenne was an insider of the company cooperating with the Technology Liberation Alliance and Shi was ordered to assassinate her and Samjo was a shill for the company who was willing to risk being killed if it were to prove the company’s reputation. Those two side characters had meaning in the story and had enough relevance in the story to push the narrative forward IF you were paying attention at all.
Again, Dongbaek is not a hard fight. Her gimmick is literally if you lose a clash then you lose harder. That’s it.
Moving forward, you suggested that K Corp should tie up people and harvest organs from people, and then mocked Dongrang’s chicken farm while still cooking it up to be a gag. So, first things first, Organ Harvesting.
The Rats already do this. Literal first pre-battle in Ruina. Organs are a thing that there’s no demand for because of the existence of both prosthetics and HP ampules already heals organs anyways. K Corp soldiers literally gore themselves and cut off their limbs just so that the K Corp drones can administer them an Ampule.
Organ harvesting is something that nobody would invest in because of the existence of prosthetics, HP ampules, and there’s already insurance that gives you a literal body clone in the event that you take critical damage. This is explained in Oscar’s Office.
Secondly, Dongrang. Your mischaracterization of him is very egregious. Going to Dongrang’s Chicken farm and by extension the Concept Incinerator. His whole shtick was that he is a selfish person who wanted to be recognized for his creation and given praise for making the world a better place. He ascended the ranks of the corporate ladder and in a delusion, put all of his faith into a corporation that couldn’t care less about him and the deaths of both Shrenne and Samjo proves to him that he’s nothing but a corporate shill, which leads up to him gaining EGO instead of distorting. That’s why Dongrang showed us around the buildings of Canto 4, that’s why Dongrang was okay with showing all of the secrets of K Corp’s food department, and that’s why Dongrang allowed usage of the Concept Incinerator, albeit at an extremely expensive price on par with the price you need to pay to erase whatever you want to erase.
Finally, you say that memory erasure was a huge copout for the ending of Canto 4, which doesn’t make sense because the only thing being erased from the memories of our characters was specifically seeing their singularity and the events in there. It’s the secret to K Corp’s corporation, ofc the CEO would erase the memories of the singularity. Not only that but it’s not the first time this happens as Roland and Salvador had their memories erased of seeing the source of the Smoke during the Smoke War. This literally isn’t a new concept.
This entire section of the video can only be drawn up to me saying that you don’t have media literacy.
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I don’t have much else to say with the other story segments as it’s pretty roundabout and you’ve already seen my comments towards your criticisms of Canto 5, but I will mention that in the chapter describing 5.5 (51:47) you say that the bus has the ability to transport people to the Outskirts, which during Canto 5 we were already in the Outskirts because The Great Lake and Outskirts overlap. The Pallid Whale is an entity of the Outskirts. Furthermore, you say that it should be taboo to discuss the going ons in The Outskirts because it’s an exceedingly dangerous area to be in with all of the monsters that reside there, when the information we did learn of the Outskirts only confirmed the possibilities of what’s out there and that it’s an exceedingly dangerous area. I don’t think I need to elaborate further than that.
Ending this comment now, this is a video with a few good takes but a lot of bad takes that can just be chalked up to not doing enough research about the subjects you were addressing here. It’s pretty brave to make a video about this sort of topic, knowing this community, but there were just many things that I either disagreed with, was straight up misinformation, or a detail you either glossed over or ignored outright.
I hope you don’t take this comment too personally, I genuinely think you are a pretty funny guy to hang out with even though you do annoy me at times, but yeah these were my honest thoughts.
Thank you for reading.
Today I learned, comments have a character limit.
Oh god I also completely forgot to mention in the comment about The City being livable.
The City is a dystopia, not an apocalypse. You can compare this to the setting of Cyberpunk 2077. You need the setting to be livable for it's stories and general history of the area to take shape. The City being a place you can live in is not a con because it's still a place that would absolutely suck to live in. Cyberpunk 2077's setting is an amazing comparison to this and I highly recommend atleast watching Cyberpunk Edgerunners.
@@Dememenic I think you gave probably the best reply most of us could give.
@@Dememenic I also think a reason why the city feels so livable is that we mostly have been in nests. Once we got to chapter 3 it was nests we were in and then we were on the water for the next bit of content. But even still as you said this is dystopia not apocalypse and as you have a way higher chance of getting murdered in the whats probly a concrete hellscape that is the backstreets (even though I feel like backstreets could just be fields in a district like S corps)
The hating phase goes so hard.
Might be misunderstanding here, but at 42:26 They... do? It's shown in Ruina multiple times that humans aren't exactly expensive. Organ harvesting was shown as a job for rats,. Anybody above grade 4 can clone augmented bodies (with insurance) and there's also mortgages on body parts (that we know little about). It's not really shown how K-corp's healings work so we can't say for certain if the regenerated parts are regular human or the a recreation of the damaged parts.
I can't exactly imagine something as renowned as THE healing corporation lowering itself to basic human organ harvesting, but they *are* a nest so...
Few easy steps to know that take = weird shit:
1) Long video
2) At least 50:50 ratio
3) "I Didn't Play It" phrase
4) Weird humor.
The I didn't play it only applies to the last one, I very VERY much played the rest
@@DinoDave935 that still leaves 3 points you didn't deny in this reply.
@Ashin1O3O
1: lots to say
2: lmao
4: Humor is Subjective ✌️
Charge doesn't even go to 30 btw, so your achievement system would require you to know how the game works. It also would be the easiest one, cuz you can just stall and get 20 charge in like 5 turns. And the gacha is barely an issue, I started in season 2 and Im missing 2 units and 2 egos. Everything uptie 3/4 and all egos leveled. I don't even farm hard, I just spend 10 bucks on the pass, as opposed to spending money on another other gacha that expects a ton from you
Yes it doesnt.... normally, but you need a gift that allows the charge to go to 30... which is why I said immediately after that it rewards you for combining gifts and passives
@@DinoDave935 so you need a gift that will still work with the other gifts to accomplish this on turn 3? Like, I literally hit 20 charge on turn 3/4 on a lot of my MD runs where I run charge, it's still not very hard. That and if you do MD hard every week and your dailies, you actually have enough crates to generally just shard everything. Your issue shouldn't be with the shard system or gacha, but with the lack of a catch-up campaign or mechanics, because starting late is the only thing that sucks about limbus as you'll have to farm to catch up and the game doesn't want to help you with that process.
You're a braver man than I am, posting a video I'm sure you knew would be controversial to say the least, and while I don't agree with a lot of what's said, I think people shouldn't dismiss some of the genuine and well put criticisms and opinions in here, even if they are surrounded by some more nitpicky/ranty moments. To me, this was a good video, and I'm glad you got around to compiling your thoughts into one place, Dinosaur David.
Thanks for the reassurence, and yeah I sat on the fence for so long that I got splinters up my ass and I'm happier to just have it out and be honest
Wonder when there will be someone who will make not subjective video. That's about game mechanics and did they work or not in game
@bullet3417 If that's what you were lookin for you're a penguin in the Sahara on my channel
Making a separate comment for this one ; It was NO secret they will, 100%, without a second thought, go to the Library. A Golden Bough is in EVERY BRANCH of Lobotomy Corporation, meaning the Main Branch of Lobotomy Corporation, now the Library, would have one, most likely the biggest if not the most important because we're after "Branches" of Light, where the main building of L Corp had the Tree Itself....
I hope I'm not the only one who's making this connection.
56:46 i like your ideas but the way you worded this felt soooooo off
It felt really weirdly selfish?
Yeah it was a reference to the "It's my ___ and I get to pick the ___ meme"
Sorry if it came off wrong I shoulda realized it's not an obvious reference
@DinoDave935 ah, if you had included an image of it would have clicked. That makes alot more sense.
@@treedude4246 True I shoulda. It's the one with Ocarina of Time Link holding up a blank template
I'm like 5 months late to this video but I can say at least, I can respect you liked practically every single comment for this video. That's some dedication right there
I appreciate all comments, and hearting them is the easiest way of showing that I read em.
I understand and agree with your opinions on the gacha overall. I may not agree with some of your takes on the story, but that is just a matter of opinion and likes and dislikes.
But I think your takes on fanservice are a bit weird. I don't understand the issue with the Library being mentioned, or Library IDs (or announcers)- Carmen is actively haunting the narrative, and will be doing so for the foreseeable future. Since we are currently collecting parts of her corpse, as a direct consequence of Ruina's ending, the library is unavoidable.
Also, "True fans", really? I understand what you meant- that you wanted small and subtle nods to stuff, but I think that is a very elitist way to word it (even though I'm sure it was not your intention), and this is coming from someone who 100% the abno log, and got all keypages.
This is more of a minor addition, but I personally don't mind canon IDs and canon mirror dungeons. In this setting, listening to the voices in your head gives you superpowers, you can transfer time, if you get hurt you can drink a potion made of ctrl+z juice, etc, so I wouldn't say they break immersion. And I'd like to point out (though it's likely someone already has, so my bad if you've getting this one spammed) that Purple Tear has been fucking with alternative realities since Ruina
I have realized by reading a lot of the comments that I have worded a lot of my stuff to elitistly and I will definitely work on that in the future. Apologies Again
@@DinoDave935That is alright, we can all slip sometimes
good can you not get back to pm
whoo wee
you posted that long video that makes me understand why you feel this way about limbus
lots of stuff I still massively disagree with, but due to not wanting to go on a long tirade this time (and a lot of comments already say my praises and not-praises better than I could), I'll say only one that angered me TERRIBLY
Gregor has still the best version of Pass on, FIGHT ME
I just love his va's singing
True
He has the best GUY cover
and I don't think that's gonna change
Man, I have never seen a more polarized comment section in relation to a video
It's like a Yin and........... Yan(g)
yknow like the index guy?
I'll leave now
So this is my opinion, but regarding the first half, most of the criticism about Limbus can be applied to any gacha game, which means that the problems are really against gacha as a whole and not because of limbus specifically, which I think isn't really a fair critique against Limbus.
I can understand your disdain for these pain point as I do agree that they negatively impact Limbus in a Lore standpoint, but they will completely ruin Limbus as a technical and game standpoint.
Gacha Ids:
Some of the suggestions like gatekeeping season ids or gatekeeping canonically powerful characters are terrible ideas. They would in fact make Limbus worse as a gacha game as it will ironically cause people to grind more to be able to unlock these characters (Either through story progression or gacha progression).
In fact, if you gatekeep gacha characters, some players will want to be conservative and progress through the story with the Base Id so that they could use as much lunacy to get the characters they want once they are able to unlock them.
Most players won't even get spoilt much from getting season/event ids or ego.
For example, I am a new player and gotten Capt Ishmael. Cool. She is super obsessed with hunting the whale. That's it. It doesn't spoil much about Canto 5, heck they might not know these characters are season ids or will appear in which canto specifically. It also doesn't reveal much about how their boss fight will function to new players.
Lastly, regarding in lore strong characters, it can be explained via threads, which is like saying the sinners are fully resonating with the R corp ids yet aka not completely a op R corp merc.
Furthermore, R corp identities are also one of the meta characters in limbus's id roster. So if coloured fixer do get released, i believe prj moon will make them game breaking. And if you worry that coloured id will cause powercrept. Prj moon can balance the inital powers of the identities using thread and uptie. E.g. uptie 3 being alright, while uptie 10 is meta.
Fanservice:
Regarding fanservice, if your point about "90% of Limbus players never played LC and/or LOR" are true. That would invalidate your critic about fanservice being "nostalgia bait".
This is because 90% of the Limbus fanbase don't know any of these characters and in a way Project Moon isn't pandering to the player base's nostalgia.
In fact, this benefits Lobotomy Corp and Library of Ruina more as some of this 90% Limbus Fan would be introduced to these nostalgic characters , like them and want to know more, and more likely want to try out LC and LOR to visit these characters again.
Regarding announcer, yes they are there to earn extra money. But they are cosmetics and has no impact on the game technically. It like buying skins in any other gacha game. Other than that, from a Lore standpoint, you can just treat them as tape recordings from the past. However, I feel that you have a personal gripe with announcer, less so because of the concept, and more so that it panders to nostalgia bait. I agree completely, but just as you can demonize the scumminess of the gachable announcer, but you should also praise it as a optional gachable side content, something similar to getting a RR < X turns banner.
Gameplay Difficulty:
The most I can say is I've seen someone failed once to beat Canto 4's mid and final boss, despite having a 3* lvl 40 team and only beat it because I explained the gimmick to them. I also seen someone having difficulty progressing through the story while being underlvled and mostly using base Ids as he just joined the game 1 month prior to Limbus's 1st anniversary.
Grind:
I agree it's bad, but it is no different from other gacha games. In fact, i think blue archive does it better, where once you beaten a content, you can auto-beat it. I understand that there is a skip feature, but it is 100% a scam of resources. I believe it should be where the energy to reward ratio is 1 to 1. I think you should have brought that up.
Mirror Dungeon is also a grind, and I'm not a fan of the game removing normal Dungeon 1 and 2 as they are anti-beginner friendly.(Mirror Dungeon 3 prefers good team compo, which beginners lack). But in Prj Moon's defence, they did try to remove Mirror Dungeon grind fatigue by ensuring that veterans can do one hard mirror dungeon per week and get all the bonuses. Any further mirror dungeon grind is up to the player's choice.
I think prj moon should give more rewards for luxcavation tho.
Conclusion:
I think from my POV, your disdain for the pain points in Limbus Company isn't because the pain points cause Limbus to become worse as a game in general or cause it to be a bad gacha game. It is more so that it causes Limbus to be a gacha game and a bad Project Moon game that lives off its predecessor games' popularity.
I do see reason when you are arguing that the game negatively impact the lore
If you ask me on how to treat Limbus as unbias as possible, you should really treat limbus as it own standalone game and ask yourself these questions:
1. Has the Main story gotten better, worse or remain enjoyable from the previous canto?
2. Have the gameplay become more grindy or more fun compared to past seasons?
3. Has the gacha been more unfair or leniant?
4. Is it F2P friendly?
I hope Limbus will continue to impress you in terms of it story in the future, and hopefully in term of gameplay and gacha mechanics, it will get better for everyone.
I feel like Fan Service is one of those super subjective things. Like, is it fanservice when Sweepers from Lob Corp showed up in Ruina? Is characters returning or subject being expanded being fanservice? Even if it is unambigiously fanservice, is it actually bad if its not pandering? Even what is pandering is subjective. Like, Limbus seems to be inherently a road trip/world building game that show cases lot of random districts and Corps we wouldn't see otherwise (since Project Moon isn't going to be multi billion dollar transmedia megacorp that would create game/spinoff material set place in 26 different mini settings plus beyond the city related stuff)
Honestly I feel like the "Don and Heath only" section is them using the Interlude to test the waters. "Is this gonna be okay with everyone", "Does this kind of content work in the player's eyes", same with the fact we got an Actual Shop in the BL event. Hoping we get some sort of split in Canto 6, where we end up without Heath for a bit, or hell even end up FIGHTING Heathcliff possibly with some Sinners "refusing to battle a comrade"(Probably only Don, Ishmael, Rodion, and I imagine maybe Sinclair would refuse, possibly Yi Sang too, but it'd still narrow our number down considerably, or just outright force us to use only them if it's another 7 man fight).
Spoilers for various pre-Canto 6 chapters and Interludes coming up.
Also, anyone else wish we got like... "Mirror World" Stages? Like we'd be able to fight using Blade Lineage against Kurokumo in a small dungeon, with the final fight being against Kurokumo Rodion, Kurokumo Ryoshu, Kurokumo Hong Lu and Kurokumo Gregor to kinda "look into" that Mirror World AND get to test those IDs before getting them? Could even involve a reverse, where you play the Kurokumo gang and "accidentally" make Meursault distort and Gregor guards the door, mirroring Jun's actions one-to-one. Or even add in post-chapter ones, like N Corp IDs fighting against "heretics" to test them out, Rose Spanner fighting robots before turning on K Corp alongside new companions, leading into an ALTERNATE stage where you fight using said companions (Sloshing Ishmael, Talismen Sinclair, and Sunshower Heathcliff), or Captain Ishmael facing off against Mermaids on her hunt for the All-Withering Crimson Whale. It'd give us more lore, more content, and even give us more reason or insight on what we'd want to pull, like "Do I like this Identity's animations?", "Would I make use of this passive?", "Would I want to use this ID?", or more importantly "Are they as useful/useless as I thought?".
I’m just gonna say it now. Why exactly do you hate Sinclair? I fail to see the ‘why’.
Just do
@@DinoDave935 fair
I can't wait for the video 10 years later
Ok, wow, this video was bad. I would love to elaborate on it more, but I am not looking to type a literally thousand word essay going point by point on this. And besides that would be an unproductive waste of my time and yours. Unironically I would like to get you into a Discord so we could watch this together so I can go point by point with you. I know its never gonna happen, but I am gonna comment regardless on that off chance that you actually see this.
As someone who sat alongside him watching this, I would love to hear about it in greater detail. This video is a very interesting discussion piece and I only wish to see it be properly critiqued in detail, point by point. And I wish the same for the future video about the stories of each canto.
Limbus Efap?
Idk, if you ever see me in the PMHub discord then ask me and I'll see if I'm available
And don't worry I read all my comments :)
@@Redacted154Can't say we weren't inspired, but that is more my friends thing. ;)
@dn5232 Yes, that is effectively what we did. I am pretty sure it took us nearly 4 hours going through his video.
The everything is cannon thing has been done since lob corp (the 2x speed thingy being T corp tech and so on) and I personally find it really cool and immersive.
Omg i cant belive its another video of Dino Dave just shitting on Limbus.
JK, i dont have time to watch the video right now.
Skip to the canto 1 part then
"waffle snot"
*cries in german*
This Video ages like milk everytime a new conto gets released
KEKKYPOOPY, THE SINNERS WILL DEFINITELY MEET THE SEPHIROTH
Alright so, before actually starting. I am not a hater, i genuinely think this is the first video of yours ive watched, and i really dont care about others' opinions on things that i like. If someone hates something i love, thats cool, whatever, we dont need to kill each other over it and both just go on our way.
Now i will say, this basically only focuses on the gacha element since, again, you can dislike the game and im cool with that, its not my business. But as someone who has played way too many gachas as a f2p, Limbus has to be one of, if not the most generous gacha ever. I have played Fire Emblem Heroes, Pokemon Masters EX, Dragon Ball Legends, Dragon Ball Dokkan Battle, Alchemy Stars, Twisted Wonderland, Bleach Brave Souls, one of the Naruto ones, Genshin Impact unfortunately, and of course Limbus Company.
Limbus is infinitely more f2p friendly than any of the others. Everything that is IMPORTANT can be gained for free, with some grind, and if its a seasonal ID or E.G.O, with a bit of waiting for it to appear in the Dispenser. And even the Walpurgisnacht IDs and E.G.Os can be obtained for free with shards like everything else during the event. The only thing that isnt available for free are announcers, which no matter how much someone may like the character, are nothing but cosmetic and unimportant. I HAVE to assume this is your first gacha because very few people that have played multiple gachas will ever say that Limbus Company is greedy or money grubby. 400 shards might be alot to get a 000 or E.G.O for free, yes, i can understand that. But that is ignoring the fact that it is to obtain them for free. Almost any other gacha would not allow you to get those for free. You would need to either pay straight for them, or need to pay for a premium curreny to then get them. But Limbus has taken an arguably stupid decision for a gacha, in letting people play the entire game as a legit f2p player. No other gacha would ever do that. This, from a business stand point, is the most stupid and idiotic thing PM could have ever done for a gacha, and yet they still did it. I can understand not liking the grind, but it is infinitely better than being forced to pay actual money to be able to get characters. It would have even been better from a business stand point to keep Battle Pass E.G.O locked behind actual money, but they still didnt. Even stuff from the BP, can be gotten for free, with some grind, and after waiting awhile. Limbus Company is genuinely the most f2p friendly gacha i have ever played and that is why i have spent money on it. Because i want to support PM even if its a gacha, because i dont need to pay a cent to get anything, whereas any other gacha would basically try to force you to pay.
I can understand not liking Limbus being a gacha, but i cannot stress how much of a genuinely nice, gracious and f2p friendly gacha Limbus is, compared to every other gacha game out there.
My main gacha experience is Dragon Quest of the Stars and Dragon Quest Tact. So I've been burned pretty awfully before by genuinely awful consumer practices (Stars was so good why did you do it that dirty Squeenix, WHYYYY) and as such I'm just a lot more spiteful to the genre as a whole so forgive me if I come off as brash but when a singleplayer series goes gacha I dont wanna bite my tongue.
Hearing that from an actual Free 2 play is reassuring at least, as long as you're able to enjoy the game it's all that matters.
@@DinoDave935 fair. Gachas can be an...."evil", for a lack of a better term, genre and then combining that with Square's....interesting practices could absolutely result in horrible burning from the genre. So I can absolutely see where your coming from when it comes to disliking the gacha elements. I've stopped playing most of the gachas I listed for one reason or the other, with Limbus and Fire Emblem Heroes being really the only two remaining that I play....and I can say that Limbus is the better of the two when it comes to its gacha elements.....and with the horrendous powercreep in Heroes right now....Limbus is probably also better in the gameplay department too. But it's fair for you to not necessarily like it because it became a gacha. Like I said, I dont mind if someone dislikes something that I like. No reason the two cant both exist
Well, there is that episode of Urusei Yatsura where the characters visits different futures and the only difference in on of them is that a dude have a mustache and a girl a different hat.
Remember kids, the Don correction fanfic is cannon!
You were the only person to bring that up, and I hate that you're right
18:40 it didnt even damage world building
20:51 wow, this mysterious black box sinner looks so cool. something tells me that if i open the box, there will be an abundance of succulent boy flesh inside. should i do it? #unboxing
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I'm pretty sure the outskirts canto is setting up PM's next eventual game. Hopefully, as I don't want this universe to be stuck in Gacha Hell forever, even though I do still enjoy limbus. If I remember correctly, the game after limbus was suppose to be a city builder. It would make sense that it would take place in the outskirts, dealing with the creatures that live out there while trying to make a new, and hopefully better, city. The Gnomes could just be a setup for an early enemy in that game.
Bad takes all around
your voice is bricking me up in this video
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buddy, you're missing the really big thing.
When the library shows up again, and when we start dealing with them?
it's going to be some kind of tower-climbing content battle a-la disgaea RPG as Angela sets challenges in order to gauge our teamwork and connections with each other to gain more data and test the limits of her own abilities. The only question is if it's a temporary or a permanent tower. :V
If this were to be true, as long as each floor is brutally difficult and they make every single Sephirah a herculean task to defeat then at least they'll keep their strength in tack and make it feel like you're fighting multiple SoTC's
@@DinoDave935 Hard to say if that'd be how it would work. The Library lost the vast majority of its bullshit power when Angela threw it all back at the end of Ruina so the only truly SotC level threat people in the building might be Binah, Gebura, and Roland while she experiments with ways to get the other Librarians to be able to fend for themselves in combat.
Finally a Dino dave video…I can die happy
Halfway through the video and Im gonna stop for a bit, but I gotta say this:
1)The video is well made, as is the rest of your content
2)I feel like 90% of your takes and stuff are over dumb stuff i.e. critiques of mirror worlds and how they work (something which is still a bit of an enigma) or your pointless fanservice tangents. Honestly stuff so miniscule 90% of pmoon fans dont care abt that stuff.
3)Cool down with the negativity. Even when I agree with your takes (i.e. yuri not needing to exist past canto 1) you word them so harshly that I go right back around to disagreeing with you (saying that yuri staying would imply she would act as a self insert and that she "deserved to die", like I think being a bit more professional and saying "I have no opinion of Yuri because she was a character that was meant to be killed off for the sake of plot" would have worked way better than the way you actually worded your vid).
Overall, I think the vid is well made, but is simply way being way too pissy and negative for me to fully enjoy it in one go, might update this comment when I finish watching the damn thing.
Listening to someone who knows what they're talking about as someone still confused about the games ❌
Trying to figure out whether they might be Irish or Scottish✅
Irish
That's cool and all but i laughed my ass off when i heard the piano bakamitai cover at the end
Hey it's fire
I mean its clear you really dont like gachas and thats totally fair. I dont play any other gacha besides limbus. But I can say that as far as obtaining ID's go its pretty generous. I have only spent money on the battlepasses, and I have every ID and EGO cept the ones that just came out.
Also the hole spiel about fanservice comes off as incredibly condescending.
Also R corp is a big deal but I mean what R Corp so insane was the fact that it was a team. It's like if we call in rabbit team in Lobotomy Corp and a single rabbit shows up, they can still do some damage but will get destroyed. I mean we certainly get power checked by Ricardo in chapter 5. Most likely the power scaling will work similar to Ruina where the more Golden Boughes we gatheer the more power ID's Dante is able to pull.
Also Between Two world is still the best Limbus Song and Gregor has the best Pass on. Meaning your clearly insane to think otherwise
Ricardo was a lovely fight, he is one of my favourite characters in the game for it but then he gets deus ex machina'd by Indigo Elder... But I mean without him the series woulda ended there because Ricardo is so goated lmao
It's kinda easy to get under 10 turns for story missions, the only ones dificult are some of the Mermaids at the end of Canto 5
Oh shweet a Project Moon focused channel
And his takes are downright horrible