Will you cover the fact that the Vatican changed the prayers in the Novena, removing the language of prayers for pagans, heretics and schismatics to less offensive language? Seems odd for the Vatican to change prayers given by Christ Himself?
Unfortunately this video contains inaccuracies. It isn’t Timothy’s fault since the sources he has available are in error. Robert Alvis, Tenacity of Popular Devotion; Bp. Socha, The Development of the Cult of the Divine Mercy; E. Czaczkowska, The Trouble with the Cult of Divine Mercy…; various articles in Polish Catholic magazines - these sources will show the Polish bishops at the time we’re against the DM and visions of Sr. Faustina, especially the Ordinary, her local bishop.
The Divine Mercy of God is what offers the consolations, and thank God to hear you’re blessed with consolation in trials. However, if it turns out the “Divine Mercy devotion” in the exact forms suggested by Sr. Faustina is false, it won’t change the fact the Divine Mercy of God is wonderful.
@@johnathanpandullo604 The Church hasn’t approved it. John Paul 2 took steps to make it popular and widely accepted, improperly. It’s a complicated history.
@@natezero0 Wut ? In 1994 the congregation for Divine cult and sacraments approved the "De Dei Misericordia" and Saint FAustina is a Saint now so it is rightly accepted and approved, deal with it.
Sister Lucia who spoke to Our Lady during her 1917 appearances at Fatima said in 1957;" "..she lOur Lady, said to my cousins as well as to myself that God is giving two last remedies to the world. These are the Holy Rosary and Devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. These are the last two remedies which signify that there will be no others." To believe in the "Divine Mercy" devotion is to reject Fatima since Faustina said Jesus wanted a feast of Divine Mercy: "The Feast of Mercy... it is My desire that it be solemnly celebrated on the first Sunday after Easter. I am giving them the last hope of salvation, that is the Feast of My Mercy." (Sister Faustina Kowalska; "Diary: Divine Mercy in My Soul", Illustrated, pg 350, # 699 - Kindle edition)
Pope Pius XII put the writings of Sr. Faustina on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum [Index of Forbidden Books].He also disapproved of the painting. That meant that he considered that their content would lead Catholics astray or in the wrong direction. Next, came other prohibitions made by Pope John XXIII. Twice in his pontificate, the Holy Office issued condemnations of the Divine Mercy writings. Cardinal Ottaviani, as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), was responsible for the suppression of the Divine Mercy devotion. The Holy Office declared that “There is no evidence of the supernatural origin of these revelations.”
As I understand it the condemnation was based on a faulty translation, once this was realized , it was given a second look in the original language, the errors that were objected to , were not found in the original language.
@@losdeldostacos8007and you know? Pope John II was highly intelligent and holy. He was the one who instituted Divine Mercy Sunday and also had Sr. Faustina canonized. So you think he was deceived? I don't think so!!!
Jesus made 12 promises to those who have a true devotion to His Sacred Heart: 1. I will give them all the graces necessary in their state of life. 2. I will establish peace in their homes. 3. I will comfort them in all their afflictions. 4. I will be their secure refuge during life, and above all, in death. 5. I will bestow abundant blessings upon all their undertakings. 6. Sinners will find in my Heart the source and infinite ocean of mercy. 7. Lukewarm souls shall become fervent. 8. Fervent souls shall quickly mount to high perfection. 9. I will bless every place in which an image of my Heart is exposed and honored. 10. I will give to priests the gift of touching the most hardened hearts. 11. Those who shall promote this devotion shall have their names written in my Heart. 12. I promise you in the excessive mercy of my Heart that my all-powerful love will grant to all those who receive Holy Communion on the First Fridays in nine consecutive months the grace of final perseverance; they shall not die in my disgrace, nor without receiving their sacraments. My divine Heart shall be their safe refuge in this last moment. so...why do we need the chaplet?
@@porosnax2269the church has said it's an acceptable devotion. The popes. Some saints at this point. Very holy people including clergy. Cardinal Burke if I'm not mistaken.
While struggling heavily with my shortcomings, I find in Divine Mercy an invaluable source of hope. It's about the Mercy of God helping us to overcome our weaknesses, and not about being saved by doing nothing and remaining in sin. We're absolutely incompetent, and without God being merciful to us every single moment, we'll be destroyed.
I just don't like the diary. Prayed the chaplet along with the radio many times and at parish events. But St. Faustina comes across as neurotic and anxious. After buying the diary from a library sale i donated it back. Things like this and Medjugorje where women claim to receive hours of private revelation just seem weird to me.
@@marybaer4660No. TLM do not put all private revelations 'down'. Fatima is very much accepted. The Rosary, too. It is called the gift of discernment and prudence to adhere to the warnings of Christ, "many will come in My name.." And the advise of St. Paul, "Stick with tradition."
If I'm not mistaken The issues with the diary come from translation issues. Sometimes there's not an exact translation from the original language etc several other issues
In Philippines in 2000 a charismatic Catholic group said they received a vision to build a divine mercy shrine, they were poor and had 2000pesos combined, in 2003 the land which they saw in their vision was found and they built a divine mercy shrine on 10hectares with a 50+foot statue of Jesus and gave it to the Church to manage. Over divine mercy weekend 100,000+ turn up to witness the miracle of the spinning sun, the sun miracle happens annually on the feast day and it did last weekend. Lots of footage of the spinning sun Numerous testimonials, healings, conversions and answered prayers have since been reported and recorded.
@@SaintCharbelMiracleworkerTimothy who runs this podcast is trying to spread confusion. The Divine Mercy movement in your country was inspired by Jesus Christ and the numbers of people that turn out is testament to this divine providence. I'm on YOUR side! Best wishes.
In a 1957 interview Sr Lucia said Our Lady is very sad bcz no one is paying attention to her message. Neither the good nor the bad. The good give no importance to the message and so go on their way. The bad seeing no punishment befall them go on sinning. She said God is giving two last remedies to the world, the holy rosary and devotion to the immaculate heart of Mary. There will be no others When God sees the world pays no attention He offers as the last means of salvation, His Most Holy Mother This prayer is much better as it actually involves some work: *"Queen of Martyrs, your heart suffered so much. I beg you, by the merits of the tears you shed in these terrible and sorrowful times, to obtain for me and all the sinners of the world the grace of complete sincerity and repentance. Amen"* It asks to give sinners the grace of complete sincerity and repentance and not mercy, mercy, mercy, like the DM prayer does. God's treasury of mercy is already open to all but you can't have without sincere repentence and that's what you all need to be praying for
Good thing that's NOT what the Divine Mercy is about at all! St Faustina wrote often and beautifully about God's justice and about the absolute need for repentance and sacramental Confession.
It's seriously annoying reading these comments constantly dissing this devotion when it's obvious that all the people making the comments have no clue what the devotion is all about...they haven't even done any basic homework on the subject.
St. Faustina was taken to tell and back to tell the world that hell exists and is not empty. She also explains the different punishments suffered by the damned. Besides her Diary, you can find this part of her experiences in the book Saints Who Saw Hell.
What would really be senseless is a "Divine Justice chaplet" or something of the sort. Justice will be dealt as God intends, what's in our power is to seek his mercy for ourselves and the whole world.
@@volusian95 Good point. They complain about a devotion that focuses on begging God for His mercy, but what else are we going to beg for, since all good things come from God's mercy? None of us can stay away from sin for a second without God being merciful to us first.
Christs wounds arenHis trophy of our redemption. His Sacred Heart is the source of our refuge. All these are missing from the divine mercy. And I cannot come to accept Jesus devaluing His Mother for a mere mortal creature.
What do you mean his Sacred wounds & Sacred Heart are missing? The wounds on his hands can be seen & the rays of Blood & Water which represent the Birth of The Church & the very Sacraments that we need for Salvation, are literally pouring out from his Sacred Heart. His Sacred Heart isn't visible on Crucifixes either..do you refuse to look at those?? Are you also devoted to the Immaculate Heart of Mary? What about all the other titles of Our Lady? What about all the other devotions to her? What about all the images & statues of her that don't depict her Immaculate Heart? Do you discard all of those?
If the church questioned these apparitions of Sr Faustian and the diary basically shows some degrade Our Lady, I question its origin and motivations. Our Lady is always humble and born without stain. Maybe you should calm down and research this ‘devotion’ so you know more about it. Any person who puts herself above Our Lady better be Christ in His humanity, not some nun whose diary places her above most others.
@@TF80s The "I'll be the greatest virgin in heaven" part... St. Faustina didn't bother to add "but not above Our Lady" because it goes without saying. Then they'll say she was lacking in humility because she revealed some graces given to her, not realizing that this is what saints do when told to write about their own experiences.
Your incorrect in claiming the local bishops approved of this devotion & cult. It was the complete opposite. In fact in 1957 the Holy Office after consulting with the Polish episcopate banned the devotion & cult, after the majority of the bishops were against it. s. Faustina’s local ordinary at the time - Archbishop Jalbrzykowski was highly critical of Sister Faustina's revelations, as well as the activities of Father Michael Sopocko, who promoted devotion according to her revelations: "I adore God's mercy and always beg the Lord God for it, but about the Divine Mercy devotion proposed against the background of Sister Faustina's revelations-visions, my views are very negative for very different reasons." The archbishop cited canon law mandating bishops to exercise great caution in approving new prayers, devotions and images, as well as a 1937 decree by the Holy Office not to introduce new forms of worship and devotions. Finally, he considered it "incompatible with the spirit of the Holy Church to promote this devotion.* * source - The Pope that believed by Dr. Ewa Czaczkowska.
Unfortunately you are misinformed and wrong! Please have a look at reliable sources such as Fr. Chris Alar from Divine Mercy. Would you also disagree with Pope John Paul II who instituted Divine Mercy Sunday and canonized Sr. Faustina, the first saint for the new millennium? Or do you pick and choose who you believe?
@@LoudandClearChastity what exactly am I wrong about? I I gave a source by a pro DM supporter who cites primary sources. The vast majority of Polish bishops including the local ordinary were against this devotion as it tried to replace the already established Sacred Heart devotion, with a false understanding of mercy, & fostered the sin of presumption. Also it tried to establish a feast during the octave of Easter which was forbidden in the traditional calendar. Btw there’s no direct link to Divine Mercy Sunday & the promises written about in the Diary, as can be seen on the Vatican website when the indulgence was introduced in 2002 for DM Sunday.
Timothy, there is one primary source you didn't look at, that's the published correspondence of Sr Lucia of Fatima. Quite a few of those letters contain revelations she had from Jesus and were written around the same years Sr Faustina is supposed to have had her own revelations. If you read those letters of Sr Lucia and the diary of St Faustina, side by side, you quickly realise they can't be both from the same Jesus. The same applies, if you for e.g. compare the contemporary private revelations of Sr Lucia and those of Bl. Alexandrina Da Costa or those of Bl Pierina de Micheli. In general, you may gain a very different perspective if you place side by side and compare private revelations from different mystics which happened to be contemporary, rather than looking at each one in isolation.
Sr. Lucia received her messages from the Blessed Virgin Mary. I'd say you don't know what you're talking about and maybe you're a fake Catholic trying to spread disinformation.
Feel free to correct me, but my understanding is that for a normal plenary indulgence it is necessary that one have a complete interior rejection of all connection to sin (this is above and beyond mere repentance). It is my understanding that in the diary Jesus says this intention is UNNECESSARY to receive the indulgence on DM Sunday. This seems problematic.
We're talking about God here, he can choose to pour his Mercy out upon mankind any way he chooses. God knows how almost impossible it is for us mere sinners to meet the requirements of a plenary indulgence, so if he, out of his infinite love for us, gives us a day when we don't need to meet those requirements, who are we to argue?? Your objection reminds me of the story in the Bible of the man who was told that in order to be cured he would need to simply go bath in a river..he couldn't accept that that's all that would be required of him. If this devotion really does come from Jesus (which I 100% believe that it does) then who are we to question it? If it's not from Jesus then at the very worst, all those people who fulfill the requirements of Divine Mercy Sunday, aren't receiving the plenary indulgence..but they are still (hopefully) making valid & worthy Confessions & receiving Jesus worthily in Holy Communion..is that really so problematic for you? The naysayers of this devotion really do come across like the Pharisees from the Gospels.
@@TheMeaningofCatholicbut that’s not what an indulgence is. To receive a full not partial indulgence one has to be ALSO detached even from venial sin. No mention of this in the Diary(par 699). On the other hand the indulgence granted on DM Sunday in 2002 mentions detachment from sin so ironically it contradicts the message in the Diary.
I am a strong devotee of the Divine Mercy. It is a good devotion and I pray more than once. There is too much questioning and just lead to confusion instead of praying for conversion. Bring the sinners to the mercy of God and pray for conversion.
Yes unfortunately a lot of protestant spirit in the church at the moment. The Church questioned Padre Pio and Joan of Arc we accept these two Saints today.
I am a devoted traditional catholic. I go to Latin Mass. God is in control of everything. If there is something that will bring to conversion and repentance then let it be. God's ways are not our ways. If I judge I might become a Traditional pharisee. I love the Divine Mercy and I practice it very often during the day. The Divine Mercy and the Sacred Heart is the same Jesus. What is the argument for.
@Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus we're not all called to be preachers...praying for God's intervention is no small thing. At the end of the day, only God can give anyone the grace of conversion so praying to him about it is a good & charitable thing to do....stop putting unnecessary burdens on people, we're not sedivacantists, we trust in the Church's ruling on this Devotion, therefore we "Trust" it to be genuine.
@@jesusvergara3749you're on the right track. This fake Catholic podcast just wants to spread disinformation and confuse Catholics. Aim for the truth, not junk. The Divine Mercy mission is beautiful and I strongly believe, based on my own research, that it is inspired by Jesus Christ.
Approach God's Tribunal of Mercy with a repentant heart, contrition for sins., and firm desire to amend your life., and Jesus will grant you His Mercy! His love is unconditional, but Jis Mercy is not.
Several years ago, I began reading the Diary. After about 60 pages, I really felt uncomfortable with many of the things Jesus "supposedly" said to Faustina. In short, it reminded me of a twisted version of the Lover & Beloved in the Song of Songs. After that I merely skimmed portions of the book, and it simply reinforced my initial impression. In fact, several times Jesus "talks" to Faustina in language & phrases that make Faustina appear to be of higher status than the Blessed Virgin Mary. I'll leave my comment at that.
I am a traditional Catholic. Society of St Pius the 5th. Was very devoted to the divine mercy and the Rosary in my years of very active Novus Ordo life. Transitioning through the Indult back to the authentic Roman Catholic faith of my youth the Devine Mercy slowly fell of my radars for a straight devotion to the most holy Rosary and the Sacred and emaculate heart. Finding out that Pius the 12th suppressed the devotion and JPII approved it was enough for me to error toward the valid teaching magisterium of the true church and reject the Vatican II and John Paul too Church. Therefore I stopped doing the devotion. No I'm very aware that the wicked Freemasons has the ear of the papal posses surrounding the Pope. These high ranking Satanists wage war against the blessed mother's interventions which is going to crush their heads in due time. Long before Vatican two the corrupt heiarchy fought against Fatima and Lourdes etc. Just because a pope was talked into the suppressing something doesn't mean it is bad at all. As much as the prayers of the Divine chaplet are profoundly Catholic I think in these confusing times it's best to obey the authentic church and stay on the narrow track so as not to be diverted from the straight path that's my position for Little it's worth.
Apparently there is in fact a problem with the chaplet itself which I've only learned about recently. The chaplet prayer says, Eternal Father I offer You the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Your dearly beloved Son Our Lord Jesus Christ in atonement for our sins etc. The problem being, Jesus did not offer His Divinity in atonement for sin but only that which could be offered namely His Humanity, Body Blood and Soul. His Divinity was not sacrificed.
The previous Prior of the SSPX Chapel I go to used to hang the Divine Mercy image above the altar and was a huge supporter of the devotion and he is as traditional as it gets. Due to complaints by some laity to his superiors he had to remove it. The new prior isn't a supporter of it tho. I myself support the devotion and personally I really love the original image. But the criticism of the diary doesn't seem invalid and makes me conflicted about it.
If you are a Novus Ordo follower, then your support for the DM devotion is understandable... But if you are a traditionalist Catholic who rejects the Second Vatican Council like Mgr. Lefebvre, please listen carefully... The DM devotion is a devotion that is in line with the spirit of the Second Vatican Council. The ecumenism of the Second Vatican Council requires the idea of mercy without repentance as highlighted in this devotion. So this devotion is an inseparable part of the ecumenism spirit of the Second Vatican Council. Let us, as the remnants, make Daniel our typology. Daniel was so determined to be uncompromisingly faithful to his faith that he REFUSE TO DEFILE himself with all the foods, and traditions of the pagan Babylonians. We too, out of loyalty to the faith of the Apostles, should REFECTS ALL REFORMS AND ALSO DEVOTIONS that arise from the spirit of the Second Vatican Council. That means including this controversial DM devotion.
But it's not true that this devotion requires no repentance...it's also just one day a year in which God chooses to open the floodgates of his Mercy for us in this way. It would be foolish to refuse this gift to us. Jesus also warns us in the apparitions about his Divine Justice so it's not a free for all Mercy with no requirements. You still need to go to confession & all the conditions of a good & worthy confession still apply, which include sorrow for sin, repentance & reparation. I'm no fan of Vat II but the more l hear Trad's arguing against this devotion, the more it reminds me of the Pharisees' arguments against Jesus. Also, some of Jesus' criticisms of the Pharisees could be aimed towards certain Trads imo. I'm really starting to re-evaluate my stance on Traditional Catholicism.
Your position is not traditional and is not in line with 2000 years of Church teaching and history. You believe the Church established by Jesus Christ has essentially failed.
Simplistic and false characterization. 1st of all Lefebver didn’t reject V2 , he singed the documents . 2nd, V2 doesn’t teach false ecumenism. 3rd DM doesn’t teach against the need to repent. You reading you own agenda into everything.
@@TheCleanTech Don't you read Mgr. Lefebvre book, "I Accused The Council"???? If he didn't reject V2, why did he write that book. He should have written, "I Accepted The Council"...😁😁😁
@@CRUSNET Friend, your missing the point . If one can state Lefebver rejected the council, one can equally state he accepted the council. Truth is , there’s evidence for both. He singed the council, and later even after he publicly criticized the council, he singed an agreement with Rome accepting the council in harmony with Tradition, and was agreed he could offer criticism on certain aspects that were not definitive. He later broke that agreement, due to a distrust of Rome but not because anything was contrary to the faith in the agreement. It is cherry picking and a half truth to just assert He rejected the council. If you want to assert he rejected the council with no further distinctions, then you give credibility to those who say he was schismatic.
Those that object to the plenary indulgence associated with the Divine Mercy devotion I liken to the older brother of the prodigal son. Think about it.
if clergy are giving out merciful indulgences in error. I will happily accept them. The error would be on the clergy and I am sure God would still grant me the graces of the indulgence since I am a simple lamb who knows no better.
The Diary was never on the Index as it was never fully published until 1981. In the notification of 6th March 1959 the Holy Office prohibited 1. any form of devotion to Divine Mercy as proposed by s. Faustina. 2.All DM images were to be removed from public places of worship.
ALL THESE TLM PUT LOTS OF PRIVATE REVELATIONS DOWN. HOW DO YOU KNOW. GOD AND BLESSED MOTHER NEVER STOPPED GIVING PRIVATE REVELATIONS. THESE MESSAGES FOR THESE TIMES. DIVINE MERCY IS BEAUTIFUL. LISTEN TO WORDS OF CHAPLET. OUR SINS ARE NOT BIGGER THAN HIS MERCY IF YOU REPENT. STOP THIS DIVISION.
@@Katethesk8 Canonizations and private revelations are not infallible, especially after Paul VI (‘66) and JP II (hosted demon worship 1986) made much easier I literally forgot some of the Rosary Mysteries over time in DM Vortex 🌀 What miracle accompanied her vision? Just a Freemason artist who also painted himself as Judas & murdered himself Let’s stick to the Eucharist (not a fake pretty picture) and a daily rosary
Hey that is enough! The Diary of St. Faustina would never have been published, and Sr. Faustina and Pope John Paul III would never have been canonized if the Divine Mercy issues that led to the initial ban on the devotion from late 1950s until 1978, when then Cardinal Karol Wojtyla led an investigation bringing into the situation of resolving issues relative to the devotion information additional to what had been initially smuggled in from Poland by Fr. Jarzebowski.
@@lorinzepka6243 After an affair in 70s, JP II led demon worship in 1986 Assisi Lefebvre > JP II JP I was killed by masons 33 days after elected cuz he wanted to discipline Cardinal Baggio freemason who was appointing bishops worldwide; Baggio last one to see him alive
Faustina’s powerful prayer is very similar to that which the Angel taught the children of Fatima. It’s obvious. Her personal relationship with God is beautiful, too. If this is a trick of the devil, the joke is on him. Nor do we need to choose between the Chaplet and Rosary, anymore than we do a Miraculous Medal or Scapular.
This is a fake Catholic podcast. You are RIGHT! Timothy who runs this podcast has an anti Catholic agenda. The podcast is set up to confuse Catholics and spread disinformation.
When you said you consulted Tony Shriver for this series, I knew where this series will be going. Thank you, but NO thanks. For me, the real DM image (the original one) which don't have wounds is a perfect proof that this devotion and messages DID NOT come from God. Period. Please note that the devil can give us 99% good things just to make us unaware to 1% poison that will destroy our soul. Many BAD things already came from Vatican II, I don't believe that DM devotion is an exception. It's stupid. 👎👎👎
What's stupid is to think that the evil one is behind any of this...what did Jesus say to the Apostles when they complained others were casting out demons in his name?
@@TF80s The DM image (the original one that without wounds) is a SOLID PROOF that this is not from heaven. It is stupid to think that this image was approved by Jesus himself as told by Sr. Faustina.
@@CRUSNET why is it stupid? Even if what you say is true (which I'm not sure that it is), Jesus can appear however he chooses..he also appeared to Saint Faustina in a bloody mess, showing all his wounds, on occasion. The purpose of this image was to emphasise the Mercy pouring forth from the wound in his heart..the blood and water literally represents the birth of the church...it represents the Sacraments. I'm looking at a picture of the Sacred Heart on my wall right now, it doesn't have any wounds on his head left from the crown of thorns..should l rip it down & dispose of it? The objections to this devotion are ridiculous, there's an anger & disgust that comes across from the people who dispute it. It's very worrying and also very telling but it just convinces me all the more that the devotion is genuine..I'd be more worried if it didn't have such opposition.
@@TF80s It is stupid because The Real Jesus ALWAYS appears with His wounds AFTER resurrection! Just like what He DID to Thomas and all the saints in the past. So, why He chose to appear differently to Sr. Faustina? If you still believe "Jesus" appeared without his wounds to Sr. Faustina, it's your choice. I don't need this STUPID devotion. Thank you. Btw,... yes, I also checked the image of Sacred Heart... but I still see the wounds in His hands. So you don't have to throw away the devotion to The Sacred Heart.
@@CRUSNET He didn't always appear with his wounds after his resurrection..re-read the Gospels. He can choose to appear any way he wishes to...if you really believe the evil one is behind this devotion then you're being really illogical.
I enjoyed this! I’ll pray for you as you consider the matter at hand. (Not a guild member, so only commenting on this) I will say though, I do not concede that it promotes presumption on God’s Mercy. In truth my encountering the diary *broke me* of presumption and led me to have the courage that *I needed to repent in the confessional* to the extent that I very likely over confessed at times. When I reread the diary to check objections, I noted down many entries that disprove this idea. I can point you to some if you’d like. Regarding your small qualm about the novena going through Easter week, I would just point out that there’s no problem going to Mass in this time either. Happy studying!
DIVISION MUST STOP. Divine mercy is beautiful and i go to TLM am still going to Divine Mercy. Gave for 23 years and will the rest of my life. Look at Poland.
who says we have to be united in everything? it is called 'free will'. We are not robots who act, or pray, the same. Depending on how far we have journeyed in our faith, there will be varying degrees of discernment. If we are all expected to act as 'one', I mean, rigidly so, then which 'one'... is it the nun in the Carmelite order? Is it the local priest who prays facing away from the altar? Is it the hermit in the rocks? The 'ONE' that unites us to the Father, is Christ through His mother. The Mass is the closest we get to heaven on this earth as Christ descends to us, not us building the tower to force our entry into heaven. The DM is like us forcing God to forgive us without our daily humility and repentence. It more resembles the Jewish day of atonement, which is kabbalist, steeped in mysticism.
Thanks for this discussion. My main concern is the pre-JPII objections and desire to bury this. We need to consider the timeframe of its sudden appearance, it’s coming from a communist block country and the liberalism that pushed for its acceptance after Vatican said no, no, no.
The reasons it was originally not approved were due to a faulty translation. When that was discovered, it was given a second look . I’m s not that hard to understand.
End message - 1) Pray chaplet daily using rosary beads (pulls you away from rosary as Mary asks) 2) Venerate fake image of resurrected Jesus no wounds that gradually leads to presumption & self righteousness White ray awkwardly represents our righteousness
Fake Catholic podcast. Search out Fr. Chris Alar from Divine Mercy. Dr Brant Pitre for some fantastic Catholic podcasts regarding the Bible. The Augustine Institute has some great free podcasts. Don't waste your time or money on junk like this fake Catholic podcast. All they want to do is spread disinformation and confuse Catholics.
I don't get the presumption objection..to avail of the graces on Divine Mercy Sunday, you have to go to Confession & receive Holy Communion worthily...all the same conditions apply on that day in order to make a valid Confession & receive Holy Communion worthily as they do on any other day & you also have to do the penance that the Priest prescribes to you, after your confession...so repentance & penance are implied in the Promise. If you leave the Church straight after receiving Holy Communion, commit a mortal sin & then drop dead, you will still go to hell..so it's not a free for all Mercy, with no conditions. We should be rejoicing in how infinitely Merciful our God is in giving us poor miserable sinners this chance of a fresh start once a year, instead of second guessing & trying to poke holes in this devotion just like the Pharisees did with Jesus during his time on earth.
Exactly - to get the graces from divine mercy you must go to confession, do your penance and receive Our Lord with reverence. There is no presumption. I’m not assuming God will just forgive me, I am doing what Christ asked because I love Him and like divine mercy says ‘Jesus I trust in you’ that Christ only says what He means. Additionally Divine Mercy Sunday only wipes the slate clean of temporal punishment for previous CONFESSED AND REPENTED sins. If you don’t confess and repent for your sins you are not forgiven for them through His divine mercy. If anything getting more people thinking about how they receive Our Lord when participating in the divine mercy can only bring about great spiritual fruits and hopefully restore the lost reverence.
The same criticism is made regarding the promise of praying the chaplet in your deathbed to find mercy and be saved. They claim that the Diary says that you can live in sin, pray the chaplet before death, not repent and be saved. This is not at all what's in the Diary. There are other promises of this type in the Church, received through private revelation, and we know that they aren't so simple. We know that you can't just wear a scapular, say some prayers, live in sin and be saved. It puzzles me that people can understand this when it comes to other devotions and promises, and at the same time be horrified at Divine Mercy.
@@MaryMost thing is it’s other people praying the divine mercy for you at your death asking God to have mercy. Those asking don’t know if God will but like all prayer we petition in the hope it aligns with Gods will. There is no absolution of sin on your death bed from divine mercy - like anyone dying you need to get ‘last rites’ and preferably an apostolic blessing. It’s clear that those who attack divine mercy haven’t even read about it never mind made a basic search online to see what the promises are about it or how you obtain the graces etc. You made a great point tho and I will have to remember that to ask if they question the Scapular/Miraculous medal/St. Benedict’s medal with the same vigour or if they are targeting just divine mercy
I would go so far as to say if one claims to venerate God’s Mercy but refuses to repent doesn’t actually venerate His Mercy, they’re either rejecting it or mocking it. Clearly in that situation you wouldn’t qualify for the promises
I prayed this once at the request of a NO priest after confession. It put me in the mindset of being righteous and asking an evil god to have mercy and remember what his son did on the cross. Its a disgusting prayer that distorts reality. I'll stick to the traditional Rosary.
Again your misrepresenting the truth or have been misled by bad sources. The canonisation process didn’t begin in 1947 but in 1965 by the then bishop Karol Wojtyła - it was the Informative process which took two years & took place in Krakow. Once completed she was named Servant of God.
This is a fake Catholic podcast. Timothy who runs the podcast has an anti Catholic agenda. He is deliberately spreading disinformation to confuse Catholics. It's wicked and evil.
@@CatholicMailmanplease! Grow up. We're not all living in caves or want to live in caves. The Catholic Church is still standing and will continue until the time that Jesus Christ returns.
@@CatholicMailmanyour moniker says it all. Catholic mailman - you're probably still posting letters? Haven't caught up with email? An old fart, I'd say.
Or is it just that you lack a true understanding of what true humility is?? Was Mary being proud when she announced that "All generations shall call me blessed"?? Or was she just accepting what God had told her (through the Angel) with perfect trust & "TRUE" humility??
@T I would ask you if it is humble of Sr Faustina to imagine that Our Lord would say to her "I am uniting Myself with you so intimately as with no other creature" and "do not fear God's judgment, for you will not be judged."
@@stories2199 i will also remind you that souls are not cookie-cutter. Some people need more affirmation than others. What may be pride inspiring for some, won’t be for others and may even be needed.
@@stories2199 "You will not be judged" was Our Lord telling her that she would be saved. It's a grace that some saints receive. He said that to St. Faustina after she had done all the necessary penance, and achieved a great level of holiness. This means that she committed no mortal sins, and that her very minor mistakes were quickly burned by her heroic charity. The other line that you mentioned I don't remember, but I'm sure it makes sense in context, and has to do with the great level of holiness achieved by her. I realize that lines from her Diary are often quoted under misguided interpretations, resulting in this tiresome, endless "but look at this absurd thing she said." Only God can set this straight.
@@stories2199 with that statement there are 2 options: 1) the Vatican and Sr Faustina lied to the whole world about this 2) Jesus really said this You are either judging Jesus, or judging the Church. Check yourself and what you consider 'humility'
All these false traditionalists ripping of MHFM's content. Bro. Michael did an in depth expose more than a year ago. Same with the fake Sr. Lucy. MHFM was first in the world to suggest the idea of a fake Sr. Lucy. They all want to hate on MHFM, but steal their content.
Do you really believe that The Holy Mother Of God would object to us using the Rosary Beads in order to beg God's Mercy on poor sinners? You think it's a mockery to beg God's Mercy on a sinful world?? Wow!!!
We can use the Rosary beads to count any prayers. This is what they're for. If you want to say the Jesus prayer 33 times, for instance, you start on the Our Father bead from the 3rd Mystery. It doesn't make any sense to find this offensive. I use the beads to say an assortment of ejaculatory prayers when I want to say them a certain number of times. How is this a mockery of the Rosary? You can and should invoke the Passion of Our Lord and ask for mercy. Besides, there's nothing wrong with how this request is phrased in the DMC. No heresy. It's according to our faith.
@@TheMeaningofCatholic Chaplet of 5 wounds uses 5 beads for 5 decades so it’s not the rosary. The Holy Wounds Chaplet uses the rosary beads but it got banned by the Holy Office on 12th December 1939.
@@TF80sAmanda is misguided. This is what happens when people listen to these fake Catholic podcasts whose aim is to spread negativity, disinformation and confuse Catholics. The DM chaplet is beautiful and I will continue to pray it alongside my rosary. As for Traditional or the New Order - who cares???? I am Catholic, love my Church and will continue to take Holy Communion and make use of other sacraments. We should be so lucky to live in democratic countries.
I also came to Rome from Eastern Orthodoxy. I've prayed the Divine Mercy Chaplet, but have always been very uncomfortable with it. Also Divine Mercy Sunday overlays and obscures St. Thomas Sunday, that seems problematic. The image does not fit any traditional iconographic representation of Christ, seems to resemble an effeminate teenage boy and not a 33 year old man in the person of Christ the King. The whole thing just strikes me as passionate rather than dispassionate.
Apparently the image literally matches up with the image on the Shroud of Turin..there's videos about it on YT. Also it's believed that most of the earliest images we have of Jesus (with a beard) seem to have been modelled on the image of Jesus' face from the Shroud...again there's videos about this on YT. The image also perfectly represents (to me) what the Apostles would have seen in that locked room on the first Sunday after the Resurrection, when Our Lord appeared & asked Thomas to place his hands in the wounds on his hands & in his side..and afterwards, Thomas responded by stating, with perfect Trust, "My Lord & My God"'. That's the scene I imagine when l gaze at the Divine Mercy image. It was also on that day that Jesus instituted the Sacrament of Penance, which, to me, ties together perfectly with the Divine Mercy Devotion.
What are the chances that someone who has used and currently sometimes does use this devotion is actually going to authentically investigate and come out against it? Not trying to impugn your integrity, but the whole set up in the opening tells me where you’re going to land on this ultimately before I even hear the full stream. I think what the magisterium had to say about Sister Faustina, when they suppressed her is crucial. That ultimately is all that matters. Yes, the specific words of the prayer might be OK. You can say that of specific Protestant or Muslim prayers as well. That does not mean they are of holy origin.
I understand what you’re saying; however, it was based on a faulty translation. Her diary isn’t the first saint book to make it on the index for a time. Simultaneously, what’s the chance of someone who’s really against it changing their mind in such a situation? Both can happen, but you know what I mean. Are you aware that the diary predicted the suppression? With accurate detail such as 1. Spiritual director living to see it and suffering because of it, 2. Spiritual director dying before it would triumph, 3. That it would triumph, 4. That both the spiritual director and St Faustina will have died before it triumphed? I can try to find it; but my computer stopped working and I had saved in documents there. I could probably find it, if you want it.
Entry 378 “Once as I was talking with my spiritual director, I had an interior vision-quicker than lightning-of his soul in great suffering, in such agony that God touches very few souls with such fire. The suffering arises from this work. *There will come a time when this work, which God is demanding so very much, will be as though utterly undone* . And then God will act with great power, which will give evidence of its authenticity. It will be a new splendor for the Church, although it has been *dormant in it from long ago* . That God is infinitely merciful, no one can deny. He desires everyone to know this before He comes again as Judge. He wants souls to come to know Him first as King of Mercy. When this triumph comes, *we shall already have entered the new life* in which there is no suffering. *But before this, your soul [of the spiritual director] will be surfeited with bitterness at the sight of the destruction of your efforts.* However, this will *only appear to be so,* because what God has once decided upon, He does not change. But although this destruction will be such only in outward appearance, the suffering will be real. When will this happen? I do not know. How long will it last? I do not know.” (My boldening) Notice also the talk of it being dormant. Interesting that the prayers which make up the chaplet already existed, for instance. There’s also allusion to it in the vision of her canonization: Entry 1045 “ some clergymen whom I did not know began to examine me and to humiliate me, or rather, what I had written; but I saw how Jesus himself was defending me and giving them to understand what they did not know”
The so-called seers at Medjugorie and Garabandal were also told the same thing. This is not something that the evil one would have difficulty predicting.
@@Sarah-bug I’m unfamiliar with the wording regarding those, but i think the extra details contained in St Faustina’s entries here adds on to its legitimacy dramatically; it’s not a simple “it’s gonna be condemned, but don’t worry!” And I know you agree, but it’s worth pointing out: God could easily reveal this to a saint to add to its credibility. I think it’s also worth noting that (and idk much about Garabandal) that it remains in condemned status, if they ‘prophesied’ what you said, they haven’t yet succeeded, whereas St Faustina has. That fact accompanied by the other fulfilled prophesies and the undeniable medical miracles coming in in time to make St Faustina the 1st St of the new millennium speak volumes. Fun fact: the ban was lifted 3 years after Bl. Sopocko’s death on the anniversary of his priesthood or his birthday. (Or something very similar)
How does Divine Mercy devotion presume unconditional salvation? The Divine Mercy devotion INCLUDES the sacrament of penance/confession/reconciliation, which always includes actual penance. Of course, the penance we receive from the priest is (I'm sure) almost always incomplete - meaning there will be more to be had in purgatory - but it is there... As a trad myself, these critiques and controversies of anything remotely new in the Church (from the 20th Century) is tiresome, silly, and scrupulous. It's starting to feel 'click-baity.' Do we trust the Church or not? I mean, when somrthing is manifestly against the faith, it's our duty to reject it. But not this. At the amazing FSSP parish that I attend, we had a beautiful celebration of Divine Mercy Sunday. The Image was shown in many places in the church and even on the priest's chasuble. And there wasn't an overemphasized on the feast.
I agree, I also attend the Latin Mass also but the constant objections to anything that has come about in the Church since Vat ll from certain extreme Trads is really tiresome..do they not believe the Holy Spirit is still guiding the Church? Look at all the Eucharistic miracles that have happened at NO masses over the last few decades..do they think that they're all the work of the evil one..or faked? It's really starting to make me question Traditional Catholicism..the naysayers aren't just objecting, they're angry, bitter & resentful about these things.
The whole thing is ridiculous! People just need to get on with it and be good, holy, devout Catholics. Fake Catholic podcasts like these are actually anti-Catholic, used to spread disinformation and confuse Catholics. Timothy, who runs this podcast has an anti-Catholic agenda.
13:24 this is quite simply false. The Medjugorje seers have gone thru more modern scientific/neurological and psychological testing than any seers in Church history, and they have always been found “absent of deceit,” while also showing sustained ecstatic states resistant to external stimuli yet while simultaneously reacting neurologically to an object of sight. I won’t stand for the unfounded claims against these final, most crucial apparitions of the Blessed Mother which she herself has said are the fulfillment of Fatima and the final apparitions of this kind on planet earth.
As Dr. Mark Miravalle, one of the world’s leading and most respected Mariologists has stated, a healthy skepticism cannot be more strict than the Church’s own discernment and investigative methodology, which has been trending more and more positively on Medjugorje, endorsing it as a shrine, approving parish pilgrimages, bearing the neither decidedly approved nor disapproved (as is impossible until the apparitions end).
Hello brother. I'm sorry if I offended you, I'm drawing on the investigations of E. Michael Jones, Michael Davies, and the evaluation of Kevin Symonds. Those are my sources. TSF
And why did one of them flinch when an investigators made a sudden move? It’s on video . The “seeer” gave an explanation that she was trying to catch the baby Jesus because the blessed Mother dropped Him . I think your cherry picking evidence. And the bottom line, the bishop has not approved it . E Jones did a deep investigation on this subject and exposed a lot of red flags that most people are unaware of .
@@TheMeaningofCatholicfake!!! What you want to do is spread confusion and disinformation. You've obviously cherry picked your sources to affirm your prejudices. Medjugorie is authentic and there has been much "fruit" over the past 40 years.
@@TheCleanTechcherry picking your so called "evidence" to disclaim Medjugorie. There are so many testimonials from people from all belief systems and countries / nationalities to attest to the divinity and holiness of Medjugorie. If this were not so and "man made", Medjugorie would have fizzled out a long time ago. Medjugorie has been going strong for over 40 years now. How do you explain that?
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Will you cover the fact that the Vatican changed the prayers in the Novena, removing the language of prayers for pagans, heretics and schismatics to less offensive language? Seems odd for the Vatican to change prayers given by Christ Himself?
@@mosesking2923 hello! I haven’t seen a source on this. What’s your source?
@@TheMeaningofCatholic Were you able to find that source in the diary?
@@mosesking2923 what did they change those words to?
Unfortunately this video contains inaccuracies. It isn’t Timothy’s fault since the sources he has available are in error. Robert Alvis, Tenacity of Popular Devotion; Bp. Socha, The Development of the Cult of the Divine Mercy; E. Czaczkowska, The Trouble with the Cult of Divine Mercy…; various articles in Polish Catholic magazines - these sources will show the Polish bishops at the time we’re against the DM and visions of Sr. Faustina, especially the Ordinary, her local bishop.
As someone who does struggle with despair, I can say that the Divine Mercy has been very helpful and humbling for me.
Thanks be to God!
The Divine Mercy of God is what offers the consolations, and thank God to hear you’re blessed with consolation in trials. However, if it turns out the “Divine Mercy devotion” in the exact forms suggested by Sr. Faustina is false, it won’t change the fact the Divine Mercy of God is wonderful.
@@natezero0turns out false? the church already approved it?
@@johnathanpandullo604 The Church hasn’t approved it. John Paul 2 took steps to make it popular and widely accepted, improperly. It’s a complicated history.
@@natezero0 Wut ? In 1994 the congregation for Divine cult and sacraments approved the "De Dei Misericordia" and Saint FAustina is a Saint now so it is rightly accepted and approved, deal with it.
Sister Lucia who spoke to Our Lady during her 1917 appearances at Fatima said in 1957;"
"..she
lOur Lady, said to my cousins as well as to myself that God is giving two last remedies to the world.
These are the Holy Rosary and Devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. These are the last two remedies which signify that there will be no others."
To believe in the "Divine Mercy" devotion is to reject Fatima
since Faustina said Jesus wanted a feast of Divine Mercy: "The Feast of Mercy... it is My desire that it be solemnly celebrated on the first Sunday after Easter. I am giving them the last hope of salvation, that is the Feast of My Mercy." (Sister Faustina Kowalska; "Diary: Divine Mercy in My Soul", Illustrated, pg 350, # 699 - Kindle edition)
Pope Pius XII put the writings of Sr. Faustina on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum [Index of Forbidden Books].He also disapproved of the painting. That meant that he considered that their content would lead Catholics astray or in the wrong direction. Next, came other prohibitions made by Pope John XXIII. Twice in his pontificate, the Holy Office issued condemnations of the Divine Mercy writings.
Cardinal Ottaviani, as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), was responsible for the suppression of the Divine Mercy devotion. The Holy Office declared that “There is no evidence of the supernatural origin of these revelations.”
It’s literally an approved devotion now?
As I understand it the condemnation was based on a faulty translation, once this was realized , it was given a second look in the original language, the errors that were objected to , were not found in the original language.
@@mycatholicexperience8409That excuse gets floated around a lot, but it isn't true.
@@losdeldostacos8007 I’ll need more than just an assertion to distrust an official approval of the Church.
@@losdeldostacos8007and you know? Pope John II was highly intelligent and holy. He was the one who instituted Divine Mercy Sunday and also had Sr. Faustina canonized. So you think he was deceived? I don't think so!!!
Jesus made 12 promises to those who have a true devotion to His Sacred Heart:
1. I will give them all the graces necessary in their state of life.
2. I will establish peace in their homes.
3. I will comfort them in all their afflictions.
4. I will be their secure refuge during life, and above all, in death.
5. I will bestow abundant blessings upon all their undertakings.
6. Sinners will find in my Heart the source and infinite ocean of mercy.
7. Lukewarm souls shall become fervent.
8. Fervent souls shall quickly mount to high perfection.
9. I will bless every place in which an image of my Heart is exposed and honored.
10. I will give to priests the gift of touching the most hardened hearts.
11. Those who shall promote this devotion shall have their names written in my Heart.
12. I promise you in the excessive mercy of my Heart that my all-powerful love will grant to all those who receive Holy Communion on the First Fridays in nine consecutive months the grace of final perseverance; they shall not die in my disgrace, nor without receiving their sacraments. My divine Heart shall be their safe refuge in this last moment.
so...why do we need the chaplet?
that's already a red flag, God will never gave us a duplicate devotion. I'll stick with my sacred heart devotion.
@@porosnax2269 Amen.🙏🏽
We don't. It's a diabolical deception.
@@porosnax2269the church has said it's an acceptable devotion. The popes. Some saints at this point. Very holy people including clergy. Cardinal Burke if I'm not mistaken.
Silly argument. We don't need it. It's good for us and many have gotten beautiful results.
While struggling heavily with my shortcomings, I find in Divine Mercy an invaluable source of hope. It's about the Mercy of God helping us to overcome our weaknesses, and not about being saved by doing nothing and remaining in sin. We're absolutely incompetent, and without God being merciful to us every single moment, we'll be destroyed.
Yes thanks be to God!
Saint Margaret Mary Alacoque...please pray for us!!!
St . Margaret Mary had to do with the Sacred Heart, NOT the Divine Mercy.
I just don't like the diary. Prayed the chaplet along with the radio many times and at parish events. But St. Faustina comes across as neurotic and anxious. After buying the diary from a library sale i donated it back.
Things like this and Medjugorje where women claim to receive hours of private revelation just seem weird to me.
You have no idea. All tlm put private revelations down. How do you know. God and Blessed Mother never stop giving us warrnings.
@@marybaer4660No. TLM do not put all private revelations 'down'. Fatima is very much accepted. The Rosary, too. It is called the gift of discernment and prudence to adhere to the warnings of Christ, "many will come in My name.." And the advise of St. Paul, "Stick with tradition."
If I'm not mistaken The issues with the diary come from translation issues. Sometimes there's not an exact translation from the original language etc several other issues
She was hysteric
@@TheJayJaydog she was a saint and the Church isn't wrong. Thanks for your input
In Philippines in 2000 a charismatic Catholic group said they received a vision to build a divine mercy shrine, they were poor and had 2000pesos combined, in 2003 the land which they saw in their vision was found and they built a divine mercy shrine on 10hectares with a 50+foot statue of Jesus and gave it to the Church to manage. Over divine mercy weekend 100,000+ turn up to witness the miracle of the spinning sun, the sun miracle happens annually on the feast day and it did last weekend. Lots of footage of the spinning sun Numerous testimonials, healings, conversions and answered prayers have since been reported and recorded.
Thanks for sharing brother! Has this been approved by the local bishop? TSF
@@TheMeaningofCatholic Yes the bishop celebrates the Divine Mercy feast Mass there every year.
@@TheMeaningofCatholicthis is a fake Catholic website. You're just trying to confuse Catholics. I actually don't believe you're Catholic.
@@SaintCharbelMiracleworkerTimothy who runs this podcast is trying to spread confusion. The Divine Mercy movement in your country was inspired by Jesus Christ and the numbers of people that turn out is testament to this divine providence. I'm on YOUR side! Best wishes.
The Diary brought me back to Jesus and back to the Catholic Church.
Thanks be to God!
Thank you for sharing this information i am devoted to the sacred heart of Jesus and immaculate heart of Mary
You are welcome
There's only one Jesus...all devotions to Jesus are devotions to the same Jesus.
@@TF80s Yes, but there are different promises associated with different devotions to Jesus, such as the Holy Face vs. The Sacred Heart, etc.
In a 1957 interview Sr Lucia said Our Lady is very sad bcz no one is paying attention to her message. Neither the good nor the bad. The good give no importance to the message and so go on their way. The bad seeing no punishment befall them go on sinning.
She said God is giving two last remedies to the world, the holy rosary and devotion to the immaculate heart of Mary. There will be no others
When God sees the world pays no attention He offers as the last means of salvation, His Most Holy Mother
This prayer is much better as it actually involves some work:
*"Queen of Martyrs, your heart suffered so much. I beg you, by the merits of the tears you shed in these terrible and sorrowful times, to obtain for me and all the sinners of the world the grace of complete sincerity and repentance. Amen"*
It asks to give sinners the grace of complete sincerity and repentance and not mercy, mercy, mercy, like the DM prayer does. God's treasury of mercy is already open to all but you can't have without sincere repentence and that's what you all need to be praying for
Mercy without justice is senseless.
Good thing that's NOT what the Divine Mercy is about at all! St Faustina wrote often and beautifully about God's justice and about the absolute need for repentance and sacramental Confession.
It's seriously annoying reading these comments constantly dissing this devotion when it's obvious that all the people making the comments have no clue what the devotion is all about...they haven't even done any basic homework on the subject.
St. Faustina was taken to tell and back to tell the world that hell exists and is not empty. She also explains the different punishments suffered by the damned. Besides her Diary, you can find this part of her experiences in the book Saints Who Saw Hell.
What would really be senseless is a "Divine Justice chaplet" or something of the sort. Justice will be dealt as God intends, what's in our power is to seek his mercy for ourselves and the whole world.
@@volusian95 Good point. They complain about a devotion that focuses on begging God for His mercy, but what else are we going to beg for, since all good things come from God's mercy? None of us can stay away from sin for a second without God being merciful to us first.
Christs wounds arenHis trophy of our redemption. His Sacred Heart is the source of our refuge. All these are missing from the divine mercy. And I cannot come to accept Jesus devaluing His Mother for a mere mortal creature.
Exactly right.
What do you mean his Sacred wounds & Sacred Heart are missing? The wounds on his hands can be seen & the rays of Blood & Water which represent the Birth of The Church & the very Sacraments that we need for Salvation, are literally pouring out from his Sacred Heart. His Sacred Heart isn't visible on Crucifixes either..do you refuse to look at those??
Are you also devoted to the Immaculate Heart of Mary? What about all the other titles of Our Lady? What about all the other devotions to her? What about all the images & statues of her that don't depict her Immaculate Heart? Do you discard all of those?
If the church questioned these apparitions of Sr Faustian and the diary basically shows some degrade Our Lady, I question its origin and motivations.
Our Lady is always humble and born without stain.
Maybe you should calm down and research this ‘devotion’ so you know more about it.
Any person who puts herself above Our Lady better be Christ in His humanity, not some nun whose diary places her above most others.
@@MG-nv7er direct me to the part of the diary where she, as you say, "put herself above Mary"?
@@TF80s The "I'll be the greatest virgin in heaven" part... St. Faustina didn't bother to add "but not above Our Lady" because it goes without saying. Then they'll say she was lacking in humility because she revealed some graces given to her, not realizing that this is what saints do when told to write about their own experiences.
Your incorrect in claiming the local bishops approved of this devotion & cult. It was the complete opposite. In fact in 1957 the Holy Office after consulting with the Polish episcopate banned the devotion & cult, after the majority of the bishops were against it. s. Faustina’s local ordinary at the time - Archbishop Jalbrzykowski was highly critical of Sister Faustina's revelations, as well as the activities of Father Michael Sopocko, who promoted devotion according to her revelations: "I adore God's mercy and always beg the Lord God for it, but about the Divine Mercy devotion proposed against the background of Sister Faustina's revelations-visions, my views are very negative for very different reasons."
The archbishop cited canon law mandating bishops to exercise great caution in approving new prayers, devotions and images, as well as a 1937 decree by the Holy Office not to introduce new forms of worship and devotions. Finally, he considered it "incompatible with the spirit of the Holy Church to promote this devotion.*
* source - The Pope that believed by Dr. Ewa Czaczkowska.
Thanks for the source, Anon! God bless
Unfortunately you are misinformed and wrong! Please have a look at reliable sources such as Fr. Chris Alar from Divine Mercy. Would you also disagree with Pope John Paul II who instituted Divine Mercy Sunday and canonized Sr. Faustina, the first saint for the new millennium? Or do you pick and choose who you believe?
@@LoudandClearChastity what exactly am I wrong about? I I gave a source by a pro DM supporter who cites primary sources. The vast majority of Polish bishops including the local ordinary were against this devotion as it tried to replace the already established Sacred Heart devotion, with a false understanding of mercy, & fostered the sin of presumption. Also it tried to establish a feast during the octave of Easter which was forbidden in the traditional calendar. Btw there’s no direct link to Divine Mercy Sunday & the promises written about in the Diary, as can be seen on the Vatican website when the indulgence was introduced in 2002 for DM Sunday.
Timothy, there is one primary source you didn't look at, that's the published correspondence of Sr Lucia of Fatima. Quite a few of those letters contain revelations she had from Jesus and were written around the same years Sr Faustina is supposed to have had her own revelations.
If you read those letters of Sr Lucia and the diary of St Faustina, side by side, you quickly realise they can't be both from the same Jesus.
The same applies, if you for e.g. compare the contemporary private revelations of Sr Lucia and those of Bl. Alexandrina Da Costa or those of Bl Pierina de Micheli.
In general, you may gain a very different perspective if you place side by side and compare private revelations from different mystics which happened to be contemporary, rather than looking at each one in isolation.
Sr. Lucia received her messages from the Blessed Virgin Mary. I'd say you don't know what you're talking about and maybe you're a fake Catholic trying to spread disinformation.
Feel free to correct me, but my understanding is that for a normal plenary indulgence it is necessary that one have a complete interior rejection of all connection to sin (this is above and beyond mere repentance). It is my understanding that in the diary Jesus says this intention is UNNECESSARY to receive the indulgence on DM Sunday. This seems problematic.
We're talking about God here, he can choose to pour his Mercy out upon mankind any way he chooses. God knows how almost impossible it is for us mere sinners to meet the requirements of a plenary indulgence, so if he, out of his infinite love for us, gives us a day when we don't need to meet those requirements, who are we to argue?? Your objection reminds me of the story in the Bible of the man who was told that in order to be cured he would need to simply go bath in a river..he couldn't accept that that's all that would be required of him.
If this devotion really does come from Jesus (which I 100% believe that it does) then who are we to question it? If it's not from Jesus then at the very worst, all those people who fulfill the requirements of Divine Mercy Sunday, aren't receiving the plenary indulgence..but they are still (hopefully) making valid & worthy Confessions & receiving Jesus worthily in Holy Communion..is that really so problematic for you?
The naysayers of this devotion really do come across like the Pharisees from the Gospels.
No the Diary says that confession IS NECESSARY as a part of the indulgence. TSF
@@TheMeaningofCatholicbut that’s not what an indulgence is. To receive a full not partial indulgence one has to be ALSO detached even from venial sin. No mention of this in the Diary(par 699). On the other hand the indulgence granted on DM Sunday in 2002 mentions detachment from sin so ironically it contradicts the message in the Diary.
I am a strong devotee of the Divine Mercy. It is a good devotion and I pray more than once. There is too much questioning and just lead to confusion instead of praying for conversion. Bring the sinners to the mercy of God and pray for conversion.
Yes unfortunately a lot of protestant spirit in the church at the moment. The Church questioned Padre Pio and Joan of Arc we accept these two Saints today.
I am a devoted traditional catholic. I go to Latin Mass. God is in control of everything. If there is something that will bring to conversion and repentance then let it be. God's ways are not our ways. If I judge I might become a Traditional pharisee. I love the Divine Mercy and I practice it very often during the day. The Divine Mercy and the Sacred Heart is the same Jesus. What is the argument for.
@@jesusvergara3749 agreed..
@Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus we're not all called to be preachers...praying for God's intervention is no small thing. At the end of the day, only God can give anyone the grace of conversion so praying to him about it is a good & charitable thing to do....stop putting unnecessary burdens on people, we're not sedivacantists, we trust in the Church's ruling on this Devotion, therefore we "Trust" it to be genuine.
@@jesusvergara3749you're on the right track. This fake Catholic podcast just wants to spread disinformation and confuse Catholics. Aim for the truth, not junk. The Divine Mercy mission is beautiful and I strongly believe, based on my own research, that it is inspired by Jesus Christ.
Approach God's Tribunal of Mercy with a repentant heart, contrition for sins., and firm desire to amend your life., and Jesus will grant you His Mercy! His love is unconditional, but Jis Mercy is not.
Several years ago, I began reading the Diary. After about 60 pages, I really felt uncomfortable with many of the things Jesus
"supposedly" said to Faustina. In short, it reminded me of a twisted version of the Lover & Beloved in the Song of Songs. After that I
merely skimmed portions of the book, and it simply reinforced my initial impression. In fact, several times Jesus "talks" to Faustina
in language & phrases that make Faustina appear to be of higher status than the Blessed Virgin Mary. I'll leave my comment at that.
I am a traditional Catholic. Society of St Pius the 5th. Was very devoted to the divine mercy and the Rosary in my years of very active Novus Ordo life. Transitioning through the Indult back to the authentic Roman Catholic faith of my youth the Devine Mercy slowly fell of my radars for a straight devotion to the most holy Rosary and the Sacred and emaculate heart. Finding out that Pius the 12th suppressed the devotion and JPII approved it was enough for me to error toward the valid teaching magisterium of the true church and reject the Vatican II and John Paul too Church. Therefore I stopped doing the devotion. No I'm very aware that the wicked Freemasons has the ear of the papal posses surrounding the Pope. These high ranking Satanists wage war against the blessed mother's interventions which is going to crush their heads in due time. Long before Vatican two the corrupt heiarchy fought against Fatima and Lourdes etc. Just because a pope was talked into the suppressing something doesn't mean it is bad at all. As much as the prayers of the Divine chaplet are profoundly Catholic I think in these confusing times it's best to obey the authentic church and stay on the narrow track so as not to be diverted from the straight path that's my position for Little it's worth.
Apparently there is in fact a problem with the chaplet itself which I've only learned about recently. The chaplet prayer says, Eternal Father I offer You the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Your dearly beloved Son Our Lord Jesus Christ in atonement for our sins etc. The problem being, Jesus did not offer His Divinity in atonement for sin but only that which could be offered namely His Humanity, Body Blood and Soul. His Divinity was not sacrificed.
The previous Prior of the SSPX Chapel I go to used to hang the Divine Mercy image above the altar and was a huge supporter of the devotion and he is as traditional as it gets. Due to complaints by some laity to his superiors he had to remove it. The new prior isn't a supporter of it tho. I myself support the devotion and personally I really love the original image. But the criticism of the diary doesn't seem invalid and makes me conflicted about it.
If you are a Novus Ordo follower, then your support for the DM devotion is understandable...
But if you are a traditionalist Catholic who rejects the Second Vatican Council like Mgr. Lefebvre, please listen carefully...
The DM devotion is a devotion that is in line with the spirit of the Second Vatican Council. The ecumenism of the Second Vatican Council requires the idea of mercy without repentance as highlighted in this devotion. So this devotion is an inseparable part of the ecumenism spirit of the Second Vatican Council.
Let us, as the remnants, make Daniel our typology. Daniel was so determined to be uncompromisingly faithful to his faith that he REFUSE TO DEFILE himself with all the foods, and traditions of the pagan Babylonians.
We too, out of loyalty to the faith of the Apostles, should REFECTS ALL REFORMS AND ALSO DEVOTIONS that arise from the spirit of the Second Vatican Council. That means including this controversial DM devotion.
But it's not true that this devotion requires no repentance...it's also just one day a year in which God chooses to open the floodgates of his Mercy for us in this way. It would be foolish to refuse this gift to us. Jesus also warns us in the apparitions about his Divine Justice so it's not a free for all Mercy with no requirements. You still need to go to confession & all the conditions of a good & worthy confession still apply, which include sorrow for sin, repentance & reparation. I'm no fan of Vat II but the more l hear Trad's arguing against this devotion, the more it reminds me of the Pharisees' arguments against Jesus. Also, some of Jesus' criticisms of the Pharisees could be aimed towards certain Trads imo. I'm really starting to re-evaluate my stance on Traditional Catholicism.
Your position is not traditional and is not in line with 2000 years of Church teaching and history. You believe the Church established by Jesus Christ has essentially failed.
Simplistic and false characterization. 1st of all Lefebver didn’t reject V2 , he singed the documents . 2nd, V2 doesn’t teach false ecumenism. 3rd DM doesn’t teach against the need to repent. You reading you own agenda into everything.
@@TheCleanTech Don't you read Mgr. Lefebvre book, "I Accused The Council"????
If he didn't reject V2, why did he write that book. He should have written, "I Accepted The Council"...😁😁😁
@@CRUSNET Friend, your missing the point . If one can state Lefebver rejected the council, one can equally state he accepted the council. Truth is , there’s evidence for both. He singed the council, and later even after he publicly criticized the council, he singed an agreement with Rome accepting the council in harmony with Tradition, and was agreed he could offer criticism on certain aspects that were not definitive. He later broke that agreement, due to a distrust of Rome but not because anything was contrary to the faith in the agreement. It is cherry picking and a half truth to just assert He rejected the council. If you want to assert he rejected the council with no further distinctions, then you give credibility to those who say he was schismatic.
Those that object to the plenary indulgence associated with the Divine Mercy devotion I liken to the older brother of the prodigal son. Think about it.
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if clergy are giving out merciful indulgences in error. I will happily accept them. The error would be on the clergy and I am sure God would still grant me the graces of the indulgence since I am a simple lamb who knows no better.
The question isn’t of a plenary indulgence. The claim made of the DM Sunday is that it’s a “second Baptism” which is theologically inadmissible.
Plenary indulgences are free for the taking each day.
If you don't need it, that's fine.
The Diary was never on the Index as it was never fully published until 1981. In the notification of 6th March 1959 the Holy Office prohibited
1. any form of devotion to Divine Mercy as proposed by s. Faustina.
2.All DM images were to be removed from public places of worship.
ALL THESE TLM PUT LOTS OF PRIVATE REVELATIONS DOWN. HOW DO YOU KNOW. GOD AND BLESSED MOTHER NEVER STOPPED GIVING PRIVATE REVELATIONS. THESE MESSAGES FOR THESE TIMES. DIVINE MERCY IS BEAUTIFUL. LISTEN TO WORDS OF CHAPLET. OUR SINS ARE NOT BIGGER THAN HIS MERCY IF YOU REPENT. STOP THIS DIVISION.
Glad to leave dm chaplet vortex
Back to daily rosary, back to growth
It is not a fruit of the mysteries to scoff at a church-approved devotion, just saying
@@Katethesk8 Canonizations and private revelations are not infallible, especially after Paul VI (‘66) and JP II (hosted demon worship 1986) made much easier
I literally forgot some of the Rosary Mysteries over time in DM Vortex 🌀
What miracle accompanied her vision?
Just a Freemason artist who also painted himself as Judas & murdered himself
Let’s stick to the Eucharist (not a fake pretty picture) and a daily rosary
Hey that is enough! The Diary of St. Faustina would never have been published, and Sr. Faustina and Pope John Paul III would never have been canonized if the Divine Mercy issues that led to the initial ban on the devotion from late 1950s until 1978, when then Cardinal Karol Wojtyla led an investigation bringing into the situation of resolving issues relative to the devotion information additional to what had been initially smuggled in from Poland by Fr. Jarzebowski.
@@lorinzepka6243 After an affair in 70s, JP II led demon worship in 1986 Assisi
Lefebvre > JP II
JP I was killed by masons 33 days after elected cuz he wanted to discipline Cardinal Baggio freemason who was appointing bishops worldwide; Baggio last one to see him alive
@@lorinzepka6243 JP II affair in 70s hosted weird behavior at Assisi 1986; also said John the Baptist would bless Islam ☪️
Faustina’s powerful prayer is very similar to that which the Angel taught the children of Fatima. It’s obvious.
Her personal relationship with God is beautiful, too.
If this is a trick of the devil, the joke is on him. Nor do we need to choose between the Chaplet and Rosary,
anymore than we do a Miraculous Medal or Scapular.
This is a fake Catholic podcast. You are RIGHT! Timothy who runs this podcast has an anti Catholic agenda. The podcast is set up to confuse Catholics and spread disinformation.
When you said you consulted Tony Shriver for this series, I knew where this series will be going. Thank you, but NO thanks.
For me, the real DM image (the original one) which don't have wounds is a perfect proof that this devotion and messages DID NOT come from God. Period.
Please note that the devil can give us 99% good things just to make us unaware to 1% poison that will destroy our soul. Many BAD things already came from Vatican II, I don't believe that DM devotion is an exception. It's stupid. 👎👎👎
What's stupid is to think that the evil one is behind any of this...what did Jesus say to the Apostles when they complained others were casting out demons in his name?
@@TF80s The DM image (the original one that without wounds) is a SOLID PROOF that this is not from heaven. It is stupid to think that this image was approved by Jesus himself as told by Sr. Faustina.
@@CRUSNET why is it stupid? Even if what you say is true (which I'm not sure that it is), Jesus can appear however he chooses..he also appeared to Saint Faustina in a bloody mess, showing all his wounds, on occasion. The purpose of this image was to emphasise the Mercy pouring forth from the wound in his heart..the blood and water literally represents the birth of the church...it represents the Sacraments. I'm looking at a picture of the Sacred Heart on my wall right now, it doesn't have any wounds on his head left from the crown of thorns..should l rip it down & dispose of it? The objections to this devotion are ridiculous, there's an anger & disgust that comes across from the people who dispute it. It's very worrying and also very telling but it just convinces me all the more that the devotion is genuine..I'd be more worried if it didn't have such opposition.
@@TF80s It is stupid because The Real Jesus ALWAYS appears with His wounds AFTER resurrection! Just like what He DID to Thomas and all the saints in the past. So, why He chose to appear differently to Sr. Faustina?
If you still believe "Jesus" appeared without his wounds to Sr. Faustina, it's your choice.
I don't need this STUPID devotion. Thank you.
Btw,... yes, I also checked the image of Sacred Heart... but I still see the wounds in His hands. So you don't have to throw away the devotion to The Sacred Heart.
@@CRUSNET He didn't always appear with his wounds after his resurrection..re-read the Gospels. He can choose to appear any way he wishes to...if you really believe the evil one is behind this devotion then you're being really illogical.
I enjoyed this! I’ll pray for you as you consider the matter at hand. (Not a guild member, so only commenting on this)
I will say though, I do not concede that it promotes presumption on God’s Mercy. In truth my encountering the diary *broke me* of presumption and led me to have the courage that *I needed to repent in the confessional* to the extent that I very likely over confessed at times. When I reread the diary to check objections, I noted down many entries that disprove this idea. I can point you to some if you’d like.
Regarding your small qualm about the novena going through Easter week, I would just point out that there’s no problem going to Mass in this time either.
Happy studying!
Hey brother thanks for sharing! Yes we discuss more of the diary later in the GUILD show. TSF
DIVISION MUST STOP. Divine mercy is beautiful and i go to TLM am still going to Divine Mercy. Gave for 23 years and will the rest of my life. Look at Poland.
who says we have to be united in everything? it is called 'free will'. We are not robots who act, or pray, the same. Depending on how far we have journeyed in our faith, there will be varying degrees of discernment. If we are all expected to act as 'one', I mean, rigidly so, then which 'one'... is it the nun in the Carmelite order? Is it the local priest who prays facing away from the altar? Is it the hermit in the rocks? The 'ONE' that unites us to the Father, is Christ through His mother. The Mass is the closest we get to heaven on this earth as Christ descends to us, not us building the tower to force our entry into heaven. The DM is like us forcing God to forgive us without our daily humility and repentence. It more resembles the Jewish day of atonement, which is kabbalist, steeped in mysticism.
Great timing. I have been hearing a lot of negative things about the DM devotion.
Divine Mercy takes away people from saying the rosary!! Never give up saying the rosary!
No it doesn’t. And the rosaries ultimately end is Jesus
Thanks for this discussion. My main concern is the pre-JPII objections and desire to bury this. We need to consider the timeframe of its sudden appearance, it’s coming from a communist block country and the liberalism that pushed for its acceptance after Vatican said no, no, no.
How about you just ignore the devotion & get on with your life...no need to be so dramatic.
The reasons it was originally not approved were due to a faulty translation. When that was discovered, it was given a second look . I’m s not that hard to understand.
Rubbish!!!! You don't know what you're talking about MG. Probably a troll planted by Timothy of this anti Catholic podcast.
End message -
1) Pray chaplet daily using rosary beads (pulls you away from rosary as Mary asks)
2) Venerate fake image of resurrected Jesus no wounds that gradually leads to presumption & self righteousness
White ray awkwardly represents our righteousness
There is no controversy. The Catholic Church banned Divine Mercy in 1957/1958. The false Novus Ordo church ruled by Satan after 1960, brought it back.
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Fake Catholic podcast. Search out Fr. Chris Alar from Divine Mercy. Dr Brant Pitre for some fantastic Catholic podcasts regarding the Bible. The Augustine Institute has some great free podcasts. Don't waste your time or money on junk like this fake Catholic podcast. All they want to do is spread disinformation and confuse Catholics.
Divine mercy is heretical and modernist.
Your "pre Vatican 2" condemned Saint Pio and forbid him to say the mass..big deal..
You should interview one of the sisters of Divine Mercy.
By their fruits you shall know them:
Miracles, conversions, devotions…
Please look up Sister Josefa Menendez ( 1890-1923) mystic. The Way of Divine Love. It appears sis faustina copied from this holy mystic?
Did she now?
I don't get the presumption objection..to avail of the graces on Divine Mercy Sunday, you have to go to Confession & receive Holy Communion worthily...all the same conditions apply on that day in order to make a valid Confession & receive Holy Communion worthily as they do on any other day & you also have to do the penance that the Priest prescribes to you, after your confession...so repentance & penance are implied in the Promise.
If you leave the Church straight after receiving Holy Communion, commit a mortal sin & then drop dead, you will still go to hell..so it's not a free for all Mercy, with no conditions.
We should be rejoicing in how infinitely Merciful our God is in giving us poor miserable sinners this chance of a fresh start once a year, instead of second guessing & trying to poke holes in this devotion just like the Pharisees did with Jesus during his time on earth.
Exactly - to get the graces from divine mercy you must go to confession, do your penance and receive Our Lord with reverence.
There is no presumption. I’m not assuming God will just forgive me, I am doing what Christ asked because I love Him and like divine mercy says ‘Jesus I trust in you’ that Christ only says what He means.
Additionally Divine Mercy Sunday only wipes the slate clean of temporal punishment for previous CONFESSED AND REPENTED sins. If you don’t confess and repent for your sins you are not forgiven for them through His divine mercy.
If anything getting more people thinking about how they receive Our Lord when participating in the divine mercy can only bring about great spiritual fruits and hopefully restore the lost reverence.
The same criticism is made regarding the promise of praying the chaplet in your deathbed to find mercy and be saved. They claim that the Diary says that you can live in sin, pray the chaplet before death, not repent and be saved. This is not at all what's in the Diary. There are other promises of this type in the Church, received through private revelation, and we know that they aren't so simple. We know that you can't just wear a scapular, say some prayers, live in sin and be saved. It puzzles me that people can understand this when it comes to other devotions and promises, and at the same time be horrified at Divine Mercy.
@@MaryMost thing is it’s other people praying the divine mercy for you at your death asking God to have mercy.
Those asking don’t know if God will but like all prayer we petition in the hope it aligns with Gods will.
There is no absolution of sin on your death bed from divine mercy - like anyone dying you need to get ‘last rites’ and preferably an apostolic blessing.
It’s clear that those who attack divine mercy haven’t even read about it never mind made a basic search online to see what the promises are about it or how you obtain the graces etc.
You made a great point tho and I will have to remember that to ask if they question the Scapular/Miraculous medal/St. Benedict’s medal with the same vigour or if they are targeting just divine mercy
@@MaryMost exactly. Lack of consistency. I’m sure many/most are well intentioned, but lack of consistency nonetheless.
I would go so far as to say if one claims to venerate God’s Mercy but refuses to repent doesn’t actually venerate His Mercy, they’re either rejecting it or mocking it. Clearly in that situation you wouldn’t qualify for the promises
I didn’t find your explanation clear
I think the idea is that he wants you to go and pay to see the full talk..this is just a teaser.
What great miraculous miracles were contributed to her canonization?
Why do you ask? Have you an open mind/heart about the issue? Or are you just determined not to believe?
Two miraculous cures. TSF
I prayed this once at the request of a NO priest after confession.
It put me in the mindset of being righteous and asking an evil god to have mercy and remember what his son did on the cross.
Its a disgusting prayer that distorts reality.
I'll stick to the traditional Rosary.
Again your misrepresenting the truth or have been misled by bad sources. The canonisation process didn’t begin in 1947 but in 1965 by the then bishop Karol Wojtyła - it was the Informative process which took two years & took place in Krakow. Once completed she was named Servant of God.
Pope jp 2 is a modernist just like all Vatican II popes. This divine mercy is a modernist church propaganda.
This is a fake Catholic podcast. Timothy who runs the podcast has an anti Catholic agenda. He is deliberately spreading disinformation to confuse Catholics. It's wicked and evil.
@@CatholicMailmanplease! Grow up. We're not all living in caves or want to live in caves. The Catholic Church is still standing and will continue until the time that Jesus Christ returns.
@@CatholicMailmanyour moniker says it all. Catholic mailman - you're probably still posting letters? Haven't caught up with email? An old fart, I'd say.
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Evidence of lack of humility in the diaries
Or is it just that you lack a true understanding of what true humility is?? Was Mary being proud when she announced that "All generations shall call me blessed"?? Or was she just accepting what God had told her (through the Angel) with perfect trust & "TRUE" humility??
@T I would ask you if it is humble of Sr Faustina to imagine that Our Lord would say to her "I am uniting Myself with you so intimately as with no other creature" and "do not fear God's judgment, for you will not be judged."
@@stories2199 i will also remind you that souls are not cookie-cutter. Some people need more affirmation than others. What may be pride inspiring for some, won’t be for others and may even be needed.
@@stories2199 "You will not be judged" was Our Lord telling her that she would be saved. It's a grace that some saints receive. He said that to St. Faustina after she had done all the necessary penance, and achieved a great level of holiness. This means that she committed no mortal sins, and that her very minor mistakes were quickly burned by her heroic charity. The other line that you mentioned I don't remember, but I'm sure it makes sense in context, and has to do with the great level of holiness achieved by her. I realize that lines from her Diary are often quoted under misguided interpretations, resulting in this tiresome, endless "but look at this absurd thing she said." Only God can set this straight.
@@stories2199 with that statement there are 2 options: 1) the Vatican and Sr Faustina lied to the whole world about this 2) Jesus really said this
You are either judging Jesus, or judging the Church. Check yourself and what you consider 'humility'
All these false traditionalists ripping of MHFM's content. Bro. Michael did an in depth expose more than a year ago. Same with the fake Sr. Lucy. MHFM was first in the world to suggest the idea of a fake Sr. Lucy. They all want to hate on MHFM, but steal their content.
Why in the world would Jesus ever ask that a "devotion" usurp His Mother's rosary?? This makes no sense at all.
It's a fake Catholic podcast. Don't waste your time on Timothy who runs this podcast. He has an anti Catholic agenda
I'd say he is a Protestant. I've seen another podcast trying to spread similar misinformation about Divine Mercy. It's wicked and evil.
Mercy comes from God! Even though bergoglio pretended to be his!
The only prayer that should be prayed on rosary beads is the Rosary. I think the Divine Mercy is a mockery of that. I won’t pray it.
Do you really believe that The Holy Mother Of God would object to us using the Rosary Beads in order to beg God's Mercy on poor sinners? You think it's a mockery to beg God's Mercy on a sinful world?? Wow!!!
We can use the Rosary beads to count any prayers. This is what they're for. If you want to say the Jesus prayer 33 times, for instance, you start on the Our Father bead from the 3rd Mystery. It doesn't make any sense to find this offensive. I use the beads to say an assortment of ejaculatory prayers when I want to say them a certain number of times. How is this a mockery of the Rosary? You can and should invoke the Passion of Our Lord and ask for mercy. Besides, there's nothing wrong with how this request is phrased in the DMC. No heresy. It's according to our faith.
There is the devotion to the Five Wounds, which uses the Rosary and is approved, pre-Vatican II. TSF
@@TheMeaningofCatholic Chaplet of 5 wounds uses 5 beads for 5 decades so it’s not the rosary. The Holy Wounds Chaplet uses the rosary beads but it got banned by the Holy Office on 12th December 1939.
@@TF80sAmanda is misguided. This is what happens when people listen to these fake Catholic podcasts whose aim is to spread negativity, disinformation and confuse Catholics. The DM chaplet is beautiful and I will continue to pray it alongside my rosary. As for Traditional or the New Order - who cares???? I am Catholic, love my Church and will continue to take Holy Communion and make use of other sacraments. We should be so lucky to live in democratic countries.
I also came to Rome from Eastern Orthodoxy. I've prayed the Divine Mercy Chaplet, but have always been very uncomfortable with it. Also Divine Mercy Sunday overlays and obscures St. Thomas Sunday, that seems problematic. The image does not fit any traditional iconographic representation of Christ, seems to resemble an effeminate teenage boy and not a 33 year old man in the person of Christ the King. The whole thing just strikes me as passionate rather than dispassionate.
Apparently the image literally matches up with the image on the Shroud of Turin..there's videos about it on YT. Also it's believed that most of the earliest images we have of Jesus (with a beard) seem to have been modelled on the image of Jesus' face from the Shroud...again there's videos about this on YT. The image also perfectly represents (to me) what the Apostles would have seen in that locked room on the first Sunday after the Resurrection, when Our Lord appeared & asked Thomas to place his hands in the wounds on his hands & in his side..and afterwards, Thomas responded by stating, with perfect Trust, "My Lord & My God"'. That's the scene I imagine when l gaze at the Divine Mercy image. It was also on that day that Jesus instituted the Sacrament of Penance, which, to me, ties together perfectly with the Divine Mercy Devotion.
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Yes I sympathise with your discomfort, as I said. But there's more to it as well.
It was painted by a freemason.
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Doesn't measure up to the Sacred Heart Devotion. Something is wrong with pre-vat2 popes condemning this devotion. Cheap Grace!!!!
Dude... you talk too much. Get too the point
What are the chances that someone who has used and currently sometimes does use this devotion is actually going to authentically investigate and come out against it?
Not trying to impugn your integrity, but the whole set up in the opening tells me where you’re going to land on this ultimately before I even hear the full stream.
I think what the magisterium had to say about Sister Faustina, when they suppressed her is crucial. That ultimately is all that matters.
Yes, the specific words of the prayer might be OK. You can say that of specific Protestant or Muslim prayers as well. That does not mean they are of holy origin.
I understand what you’re saying; however, it was based on a faulty translation. Her diary isn’t the first saint book to make it on the index for a time. Simultaneously, what’s the chance of someone who’s really against it changing their mind in such a situation? Both can happen, but you know what I mean.
Are you aware that the diary predicted the suppression? With accurate detail such as 1. Spiritual director living to see it and suffering because of it, 2. Spiritual director dying before it would triumph, 3. That it would triumph, 4. That both the spiritual director and St Faustina will have died before it triumphed? I can try to find it; but my computer stopped working and I had saved in documents there. I could probably find it, if you want it.
Entry 378
“Once as I was talking with my spiritual director, I had an interior vision-quicker than lightning-of his soul in great suffering, in such agony that God touches very few souls with such fire. The suffering arises from this work. *There will come a time when this work, which God is demanding so very much, will be as though utterly undone* . And then God will act with great power, which will give evidence of its authenticity. It will be a new splendor for the Church, although it has been *dormant in it from long ago* . That God is infinitely merciful, no one can deny. He desires everyone to know this before He comes again as Judge. He wants souls to come to know Him first as King of Mercy. When this triumph comes, *we shall already have entered the new life* in which there is no suffering. *But before this, your soul [of the spiritual director] will be surfeited with bitterness at the sight of the destruction of your efforts.* However, this will *only appear to be so,* because what God has once decided upon, He does not change. But although this destruction will be such only in outward appearance, the suffering will be real. When will this happen? I do not know. How long will it last? I do not know.” (My boldening)
Notice also the talk of it being dormant. Interesting that the prayers which make up the chaplet already existed, for instance.
There’s also allusion to it in the vision of her canonization:
Entry 1045
“ some clergymen whom I did not know began to examine me and to humiliate me, or rather, what I had written; but I saw how Jesus himself was defending me and giving them to understand what they did not know”
The so-called seers at Medjugorie and Garabandal were also told the same thing. This is not something that the evil one would have difficulty predicting.
@@Sarah-bug I’m unfamiliar with the wording regarding those, but i think the extra details contained in St Faustina’s entries here adds on to its legitimacy dramatically; it’s not a simple “it’s gonna be condemned, but don’t worry!” And I know you agree, but it’s worth pointing out: God could easily reveal this to a saint to add to its credibility.
I think it’s also worth noting that (and idk much about Garabandal) that it remains in condemned status, if they ‘prophesied’ what you said, they haven’t yet succeeded, whereas St Faustina has. That fact accompanied by the other fulfilled prophesies and the undeniable medical miracles coming in in time to make St Faustina the 1st St of the new millennium speak volumes.
Fun fact: the ban was lifted 3 years after Bl. Sopocko’s death on the anniversary of his priesthood or his birthday. (Or something very similar)
Get to the point already.....
Please don’t comment again here.
What Controversy?
How does Divine Mercy devotion presume unconditional salvation? The Divine Mercy devotion INCLUDES the sacrament of penance/confession/reconciliation, which always includes actual penance. Of course, the penance we receive from the priest is (I'm sure) almost always incomplete - meaning there will be more to be had in purgatory - but it is there... As a trad myself, these critiques and controversies of anything remotely new in the Church (from the 20th Century) is tiresome, silly, and scrupulous. It's starting to feel 'click-baity.' Do we trust the Church or not? I mean, when somrthing is manifestly against the faith, it's our duty to reject it. But not this. At the amazing FSSP parish that I attend, we had a beautiful celebration of Divine Mercy Sunday. The Image was shown in many places in the church and even on the priest's chasuble. And there wasn't an overemphasized on the feast.
I agree, I also attend the Latin Mass also but the constant objections to anything that has come about in the Church since Vat ll from certain extreme Trads is really tiresome..do they not believe the Holy Spirit is still guiding the Church? Look at all the Eucharistic miracles that have happened at NO masses over the last few decades..do they think that they're all the work of the evil one..or faked? It's really starting to make me question Traditional Catholicism..the naysayers aren't just objecting, they're angry, bitter & resentful about these things.
The whole thing is ridiculous! People just need to get on with it and be good, holy, devout Catholics. Fake Catholic podcasts like these are actually anti-Catholic, used to spread disinformation and confuse Catholics. Timothy, who runs this podcast has an anti-Catholic agenda.
13:24 this is quite simply false. The Medjugorje seers have gone thru more modern scientific/neurological and psychological testing than any seers in Church history, and they have always been found “absent of deceit,” while also showing sustained ecstatic states resistant to external stimuli yet while simultaneously reacting neurologically to an object of sight. I won’t stand for the unfounded claims against these final, most crucial apparitions of the Blessed Mother which she herself has said are the fulfillment of Fatima and the final apparitions of this kind on planet earth.
As Dr. Mark Miravalle, one of the world’s leading and most respected Mariologists has stated, a healthy skepticism cannot be more strict than the Church’s own discernment and investigative methodology, which has been trending more and more positively on Medjugorje, endorsing it as a shrine, approving parish pilgrimages, bearing the neither decidedly approved nor disapproved (as is impossible until the apparitions end).
Hello brother. I'm sorry if I offended you, I'm drawing on the investigations of E. Michael Jones, Michael Davies, and the evaluation of Kevin Symonds. Those are my sources. TSF
And why did one of them flinch when an investigators made a sudden move? It’s on video . The “seeer” gave an explanation that she was trying to catch the baby Jesus because the blessed Mother dropped Him . I think your cherry picking evidence. And the bottom line, the bishop has not approved it . E Jones did a deep investigation on this subject and exposed a lot of red flags that most people are unaware of .
@@TheMeaningofCatholicfake!!! What you want to do is spread confusion and disinformation. You've obviously cherry picked your sources to affirm your prejudices. Medjugorie is authentic and there has been much "fruit" over the past 40 years.
@@TheCleanTechcherry picking your so called "evidence" to disclaim Medjugorie. There are so many testimonials from people from all belief systems and countries / nationalities to attest to the divinity and holiness of Medjugorie. If this were not so and "man made", Medjugorie would have fizzled out a long time ago. Medjugorie has been going strong for over 40 years now. How do you explain that?