The plea deals in this case are pathetic. Angela is getting 30 years for plotting and abetting 8 murders. Anything short of life for all involved is a slap on the wrist.
Poor Hannah. Gets sexually abused by a family friend, meet and falls in love with Jake. Gets pregnant at 15 and is murdered when she's 19. Such a short and distressing life. And now her daughter Sophia has a horrible start in life as well. Rest in peace Hannah 🙏
This prosecutor has no idea how to prioritize information. Her opening statement did not need to take this long. Hit the main points and lay the framework. Bring out the story with the witnesses and the evidence throughout! I’d be so bored as a juror I would be antsy to hear the defense attorney. Not a good foot to get off to as the prosecution.
I agree. This is worst (and longest) opening statement I’ve ever watched. It’s like she’s not prepared to give them what they need to reach a guilty verdict.
Prosecutor needs to be mindful of 'listener fatigue'. Her entire opening could've been scaled down by 25%. I wonder if she did a mock opening to get feedback about her length?
Judging from what she presented, it doesn’t look like it. It was way too long, confusing, and quite frankly, boring. She had so much time to prepare for this. I get that this isn’t about being entertained, but it does need to be interesting enough to keep you engaged in the story. I didn’t watch a large part of this because it was just too boring (and too annoying with the constant “ums” that were so distracting). I feel bad for the jurors who had to listen to the whole thing. Not everyone with a law degree is meant to be a trial attorney. How she became a prosecutor is mystifying to me. 😬
The opening prosecuter could have done a better job, she seemed all over the place and didn't really seem focused on the evidence. I felt frustrated in trying to follow.
Clearly, this prosecutor could have used more of her time to fine tune and methodically lay out the facts in this case. This is not the case, however this happened 6 years ago! Their office had ample time to come together and work on an awesome opening statement, giving direct and concise information to the jury. But NO, instead, we get THIS. Stammering, misinforming, apologetic blithering. If I lived in that County, I'd be asking why my hard earned tax dollars are paying for this BS? And, if this is a "special prosecutor" I'd say shame on you. Ridiculous! Notice I didn't say umm once.
This case is so complex and every piece of information is extremely important. I have fallen asleep 3 times trying to listen to this prosecutor. God knows how these jurors were feeling 🤦🏽♀️
Agree, this is a mess. I hope this isn't indicative of how the prosecutors are going to handle this case. If so, the jury may not hear the evidence because they'll be tuning her out!
Who has time to try to watch a trial that's not even partially recorded? And, when a witness is recorded, the prosecutor keeps writing down every answer to every question that she asked. All I hear is silence and scribbling until she asks the next question... That is the most annoying thing! Not only that, it wastes everybody's time, not that we will get to see much of anything. Why can they not at least have the recordings of the witnesses' testimony? This is the worst trial I've never gotten to see! Out of a 6 to 8 week trial, we may get to see 10 hours of actual witness testimony. May as well just wait and watch the verdict!
Somebody at the DA's office REALLY needs to tell her to STOP saying ummm. She sounds like a 6 year old & I really can't listen to her through this whole trial!!!!!
I’m sure the Prosecutor is neck deep in work with this case, but come on, this is a BIG case, someone dropped the ball. This opening is subpar for a case of this caliber.
Not impressed with the prosecutor. She comes off as barely informed of the details of this case. How many times did she apologize for misstatements and exaggeration, three? Four? I don't think she practiced her opening at all, did no-one give her feedback? Sounds like she's winging it....how many years ago did this happen 😟
Please! For the sake of saving this case and the sanity of the jury and viewers, someone make her STOP! Why on earth is she going into so much detail of the evidence in her opening statement?! This time should be used to engage the jury, give them a run down of which experts or witnesses would be testifying to certain types of evidence, giving a solid motive, and any information should be firm and concise and in an order that is understandable. Save the finer details for testimony, where there will be less use of the non-word “ummm” by witnesses and experts who actually took the time to prepare accordingly. The jury has likely forgotten half the details that she’s stammered and UMMMMED through (if not because of info overload combined with constant breaks in speech so she can add another UMM, then surely through boredom of this lacklustre presentation), only to hear her retract information, say she neglected to give additional information, saying she misspoke, bouncing back and forth between the version of events and scrambling for images to match her fumbling statement. Saying things like, “I think”, “I wanna say”, “I believe” sounds more like fragmented guesswork and doesn’t sound very convincing for a jury trial which will be relying heavily on solid evidence and facts in order for the jury to convict and possibly hand down a death penalty. I usually relish in opening statements for a trial of this magnitude, and I can barely follow her. For the sake of the victims and their families, I really hope the prosecutor doesn’t destroy this case and the justice they seek because she is a bumbling mess. I have never seen such a poorly presented opening statement by a prosecutor in a death penalty trial, or any jury trial for that matter. The state only gets one chance to secure a conviction…you’d think they would have come better prepared…goodness knows they’ve had enough time. At this point, I’m feeling like Ronnie O’Neal had a more fluent opening statement representing himself at trial 🤦♀️
I hope the jury doesn’t start to filter out or start to brain wonder due to prosecutors enormous amounts of ums, ands, I thinks and “we kinda know”. She is sounding unsure and inexperienced. I couldn’t wait for this trial to start and now I’m already getting bored and find myself saying come on just get to it! Sorry, I’m just truly worried she’s gonna confuse the jury rather than give jury the confidence it needs to convict. Pray for truth to be found no matter which way it goes. Justice for all involved
A three hour opening statement can be condensed to 30 min by simply editing out the word “ummm”. So bleeping annoying to listen to such an educated Attormey with the speaking skills of a 4th grader.
Judge: Madam court reporter can you please read back the last sentence? I think the jury may have misunderstood it. Court Reporter: umm umm umm and umm umm and umm ummmmmm. Judge: Thank you madam court reporter. I thought maybe the transcript would reflect a missing but incriminating “ummm” which could affect an ummm appeal.
This prosecutor is one of the best in Ohio. This is just her demeanor and the way she is. She’s got this. She was chosen for this case. Let her do her thing.
She is absolutely horrible as a speaker. Lord knows why you would have her do the opening statement. She may be great in cross exam but huge mistake by the state especially the defense really has opened up a decent amount of doubt
@@ihateutube1143 We all have free will & make decisions, good or bad with that free will. God does not control people. We are all broken & evil by our human nature. God doesn't vacation. LOL. He is always present for us to either accept or reject. Jesus/God sacrificed himself for our sins so that we would be redeemed of our sins & choose to live this earthly life in love to all & to live with Him in eternity after our earthly body dies. The choice is ours.
Good gravy, Defense is equally annoying. You're not Mr. Roger's, you're not welcoming us to your neighborhood.... speak like a normal professional adult man. People can only take so much of that sing songy nasal voice. Ugh.
Your honor I would like to object to the state prosecutor’s abuse of the space filling word “umm”! The prosecution is obviously insulting this jury’s intelligence by inferring none of them can comprehend a complete sentence.
8 people brutally murdered, involving two very large families, and the jury is not sequestered!! On their own for lunch, breaks, and mingled with everyone that is there!, they will definitely hear conversations, watch people, and be influenced! Bad decision not to sequester, at least during the day!
I just can’t with UM opening statement……as a juror I would be so frustrated. She makes almost impossible to follow the timeline and important info. God Bless the court reporter as well.
can’t follow it either. it’s not just um, it’s um with a lip/tongue smack. it’s like a tic. wow. i have to skip it and piece the case together as it is revealed. she has zero gravitas in her presentation.
Not the most well spoken (great story teller) attorney. It helps SO MUCH when you have a crime with the SHEER numbers of suspects and victims that are in involved in this crime!
This case has been drawn out 6 nearly 7 years, involving several suspects & victims as well as covering multiple crimes scenes & tons of evidence. This is a very complex case, give the lady a break, she's trying to provide all information & I'm sure it's a big puzzle to keep up with & laying out a huge time-line. I'd rather her take her time & lay it put, This isn't a small case, it's high profile involving alot of ppl.
The comments are valid though. She doesn’t have to provide ALL information in opening. She should just tell the story of what happened and if there’s evidence to corroborate it, a quick “the evidence will show” or “we know this because” and move on. So much interruption of the story made it disjointed.
@@jeffreyrhymer8985 I've been following this case since the victims were discovered.. these folks are guilty and deserve the death penalty. And both the great grandma's also....
Maybe Canepa is speaking correctly for her jury audience, but for me it is not convincing. Too many weak words, and many things sound like hearsay.I hope she can step up.
She should have made a power point and told the story from that. She sounds like me at my Monday meetings. This is my 3rd day trying to get through this
I will never understand people complaining about the delivery of facts by the prosecution. The things she’s saying are what the family and all of us have waited for years to hear. The Rhoden family was literally massacred in the worst ways imaginable and people complain about her “ummms” 🤦🏼♀️ enough!!!! a whole family is dead, children have no parents. She’s doing her best to fight for this family as well as the ones living without their beloved family members. I just can’t take the criticism. I don’t understand it. Omg
The problem is, if this is her best, she’s in the wrong profession. The jury needs to feel engaged in the story of what happened as if they can SEE it happen. Her rambling, correcting her own incorrect statements, (and yes) the constant “ums”, along with her completely flat presentation style are not helping this case. It’s about as engaging as reading a list of ingredients. It’s a terrible start. The victims deserve better than this. Let’s hope they get it.
The family deserves a prosecutor that has properly prepared a presentation. Not just a fragmented list of facts. Unfortunately a poor presentation can undermine facts. Like the old saying.... it's not just what you say, its how you say it. I hope the jury can see passed the umms. It looks like people here are getting hung up on them.
It's premature to judge her harshly, it's true she's been under unbelievable pressure to get this right. She may have a slow start, my bet is she'll connect with the jury soon and her ability to tell this extremely complicated story will improve.
Just a few of my observations ... prosecutor tapping on the podium is grating on the nerves. She's not the best speaker & goes into entirely too much detail, as all of the evidence will be given & testified to during the continuation of the trial. She should have had her opening scripted/written out & read from verbatim, so that she could stay consistent, on point, & keep a straight line of speaking/thinking, holding the audience's attention. The opening really should be a synopsis, a high level overview of the story of what happened during their crime spree overall. There are so many facets & moving pieces to the case, that going into as much detail as she did is simply time consuming & boring. George looking evil/angry that he got caught & that his brother & mother ratted on them all. What an evil family! Sounds like they all had a controlling, cult like mentality (also misogynistic) as a whole. Looking forward to catching up on the rest of the trial.
What do you mean }after all this time”? Had you seen her in another trial? I agree for as high profile as this case is, I’m amazed that she is the choice for opening statement.
Sorry but Nope. I've watched this from the beginning in 2018 it's the way she speaks. She's been an attorney for a long time too. She needs to invest in a public speaking course. That's irritating but she isn't the worst prosecutor I've heard.
I don't understand why she wasn't "taught" or "critiqued" how to talk without ums and ahs every other word. Her speech is inexperienced, she keeps "backing up", totally unprepared. If this is the best the DA could come up with, the DA's office needs an overhaul. Dewine is probably appalled, after all the years of gathering evidence so these murderers could be convicted. She is no " special" prosecutor. She's a poor choice.
This defense is a joke at best... Jake will tell you George didnt do anything.... but the state is depending on con artists and liars... so they're only telling you the truth when they're exonerating George..... please... smdh
I just want to say I can follow the prosecutor just fine, sure she has to back up sometimes but she's trying to get in as much info she can with what time she has . This is a very poor county and never did anyone expect as their job in a small rural county think they'd have 8 people murdered at one . They have limited money even to spend. I'm very disappointed that they made the deal with Jake and Angela but wonder if they would have had enough proof without it .
I know a lot of people won't agree with me but I feel if Jake Wagner hadn't come forward they wouldn't have alot of the evidence they have now. They also have the whole story except he's sorry for his roll & I think he said he did most of the shootings which I'm not so convinced. I feel like he's punishing himself for going along with his Mother's plan & not having the wisdom or strength to say no. The youngest was the one to come forward to take the blame to maybe save some of his family members. I truly believe he hates himself as much as the other family hates him for what he's done but I feel he deserves a second chance. A person's frontal lobe of the brain that's used for decision making, consequences & so much more isn't fully developed until the age of 25. Think how Jake's Mother even brought her own Mother into this is insane. I would almost guarantee Jake would never had done this as he worked & he still got along with Hanna although they we're children when Hanna had there child then getting married far to young. My heart goes out to the family left behind over these senseless murders may they some day find peace.I sincerely don't want to upset anyone I'm only speaking as a married mother of two young men. This Mother deserves the death penalty for dragging all those to young to know better into this because she's a control freak! God bless them all my heartfelt condolences.🙏❤️🇨🇦
Jake is a MASS MURDERER and there’s no way around it no matter what you want to believe, him and his entire family should be strapped to a set of metal bleachers and zapped with the highest voltage and wattage available! That it’s taken close to 7 years to get to this point is a travesty and it’s sad they have had that much time to breathe the same air as non-mass murderers on this planet! But you can rest assured that unfortunately they will continue to inhabit this world for years to come! Maybe you two can be pen pals!
How would anyone sleep knowing their husband and son's are going to murder all these people ? I get she's evil and cold hearted but still . I don't believe it.
I had to google cistern. Possums floating in the cistern? Good God! A reporter who went out there was told she'd have to climb a hill to get cell service.
Has she ever done an opening statement...or seen/listened to one?? This is poorly communicated, unorganized, and too much detail for an opening statement!! 🤦🏽♀️
I feel like the prosecutor filed way too many minor charges in this case. All these obstruction, forgery, burglary, mom hacking the xgf fb. Etc. It made a complex legal case way more complex. It's like she can't see the forest thru the trees.
Actually it's very simple. Jake and Angela provided step by step the plans of the 8 murders. For the life of me, why this one and his crazy dad are going to trial. The perps plead guilty and will be testifying at both trials...
#JusticeJusticeJusticeJusticefortheRhodens 4x the Justice =Billy ,Angela, George , and Jake . Let them all pay for what they've done the sick evil people that they are.
I hope her need to give more detail than necessary during opening statement will be to her benefit. If one is going to explain partial details to a crime, more than what most would be during opening statements, then she should explain what a goose box is. A box they built as a gift on fathers day that floats in the middle of their beloved fishing pond. And When you say they have a grove, you mean a grow, like a assortment of pot plants in a feild. Good thing about this opening testimony, which was long and with a lot of um’s; if key witness testimony is not televised, we have some beef to the story.
It does because the calls that were made and never went through when Billy asked Chris sr to find his phone buying time are proven later during an existence as they showed phone records. He was murdered early in the night and then the Mom Dana didn’t get home until after 11 so I’m still confused about this timelines.
Then after they kill Chris sr they walk over to Frankie house look around then return after they left and ur telling me that Jake crawled in a window and they still didn't hear nothing and was able to walk right in the room and bang there dead nobody moved didn't hear nothing in ur house that's unbelievable that u do not have any clue that all this is going on
The last two Ohio high profile murder trials ie; Dr William Husel, and Matthau Moore also had weak prosecutors. This prosecutor’s , (umm, ah), opening statement at best is extremely boring and hard to follow.
Agreed on some. But she continues to say. I forgot to mention and I failed to mention to you. So she spoke to these folks in detail prior to the trial, not disclosing information she has now. Is the opening statement A place to do that?
How in the world did frank and his wife not hear there neighbor his dad getting shot up if the home made silencer didn't work I'm pretty sure there house wasn't that far apart and they live in trailers so u can hear everything in a trailer?
Well the sheriff couldn't believe I didn't hear my neighbor shoot himself . Really I lived in the country I didn't hear it one he did it 50 to 75 yards away in a barn but had I heard it it wasn't out of the ordinary as my other neighbor would shoot rabbits squirrels and other even out of season .
Defense attorney is out right lying....that isn't allowed. Hey defense attorney are we supposed to believe Jake or is he a liar? You're cherry picking items. One minute Jake is vile and evil (I agree) next you say "Jake said George wasn't involved"
Actually these bumbling idiots HELP the defendant to get off! And yesterday the bumbling idiot of a Judge forgot to give the jurors a notebook and pen! One of the jurors had to ask if they were allowed to take notes!
All of the VERY ANNOYING Ums Ums Ums Ums Um Um Um Um were kind of comical in part 1 of her opening statement but now it makes the entire video unwatchable to me!
Same thing at Dania house the door they came in was right by her bed room u don't raise ur head who is at my door little Chris sleeps through two people being shot don't hear don't wake up
Ohhh Lordy 🥱😵💫 Is this the best attorney they have for opening this case? 🤷🏻♀️ I’m seriously gritting my teeth at all of her “umm’s”. This is the worst, and most boring. Opening statement I’ve ever forced myself to watch.🤦🏻♀️😴
The plea deals in this case are pathetic. Angela is getting 30 years for plotting and abetting 8 murders. Anything short of life for all involved is a slap on the wrist.
Maybe the other inmates will take care of it
Poor Hannah. Gets sexually abused by a family friend, meet and falls in love with Jake. Gets pregnant at 15 and is murdered when she's 19. Such a short and distressing life. And now her daughter Sophia has a horrible start in life as well. Rest in peace Hannah 🙏
I wonder if it was her older brother, Frankie? Is that why Angela Wagner was afraid he would molest Sophie?
and what about 5 day old Kylie. Its terrible all the way around!
Who said she was sexually abused? The wagners only said that. Seems as though Hanna’s family was close and protective of each other
This prosecutor has no idea how to prioritize information. Her opening statement did not need to take this long. Hit the main points and lay the framework. Bring out the story with the witnesses and the evidence throughout! I’d be so bored as a juror I would be antsy to hear the defense attorney. Not a good foot to get off to as the prosecution.
Agree 100%…. She needs to focus on one thing at a time. She also Needs to STOP saying ummm
I agree. This is worst (and longest) opening statement I’ve ever watched. It’s like she’s not prepared to give them what they need to reach a guilty verdict.
Prosecutor needs to be mindful of 'listener fatigue'. Her entire opening could've been scaled down by 25%. I wonder if she did a mock opening to get feedback about her length?
And the overuse of "um". It was very distracting as a viewer.
Judging from what she presented, it doesn’t look like it. It was way too long, confusing, and quite frankly, boring. She had so much time to prepare for this. I get that this isn’t about being entertained, but it does need to be interesting enough to keep you engaged in the story. I didn’t watch a large part of this because it was just too boring (and too annoying with the constant “ums” that were so distracting). I feel bad for the jurors who had to listen to the whole thing. Not everyone with a law degree is meant to be a trial attorney. How she became a prosecutor is mystifying to me. 😬
Ummmmm… I don’t think she did a mock …. Opening…. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
The opening prosecuter could have done a better job, she seemed all over the place and didn't really seem focused on the evidence.
I felt frustrated in trying to follow.
She also forgot to mention how litlle chris died....
OMG 😱😱😱😱😱 she's the absolute worse attorney I have EVER heard if and I've worked for attorneys for over 50 years!
@@cezr156 so sad and do wrong of her.
These are opening statements the juror has been told it is not evidence for either
Ummm PLEASE SIT DOWN UMM.... TERRIBLE OPENING STATEMENT
Umm count from 6:59 to 24:24 = 115 times. This Prosecutor said it 115 times in a matter of less than 16 minutes. Ummm, I think that's too much.
I thought about making a drinking game out of it but now realize I'd be dead from alcohol poisoning in 6 minutes or less.
UM?
I don’t understand why she would be the one to give opening statements bless her heart but she’s just not good at it
Ummmm Ummmm Ummmm Why you say that? Ummm
Clearly, this prosecutor could have used more of her time to fine tune and methodically lay out the facts in this case. This is not the case, however this happened 6 years ago! Their office had ample time to come together and work on an awesome opening statement, giving direct and concise information to the jury. But NO, instead, we get THIS. Stammering, misinforming, apologetic blithering. If I lived in that County, I'd be asking why my hard earned tax dollars are paying for this BS? And, if this is a "special prosecutor" I'd say shame on you. Ridiculous!
Notice I didn't say umm once.
You didn’t say “umm” - “right”
Or “right” “umm” 🤦🏼♀️🤣
Perfectly said, Cat Bishop!!
So true. I couldnt say it any ummm better
@@nancyduran369 🤣 yesssss!
How many "um' " ah"'s were there? 1000's
This case is so complex and every piece of information is extremely important. I have fallen asleep 3 times trying to listen to this prosecutor. God knows how these jurors were feeling 🤦🏽♀️
I wonder who's idea it was to let this one do the opening statement. Seriously a bad mistake.
No lawyer should do a 4 hour opening statement. I'm sure she lost most of the jury by hour 2.
Agree, this is a mess. I hope this isn't indicative of how the prosecutors are going to handle this case. If so, the jury may not hear the evidence because they'll be tuning her out!
Who has time to try to watch a trial that's not even partially recorded? And, when a witness is recorded, the prosecutor keeps writing down every answer to every question that she asked. All I hear is silence and scribbling until she asks the next question... That is the most annoying thing! Not only that, it wastes everybody's time, not that we will get to see much of anything. Why can they not at least have the recordings of the witnesses' testimony? This is the worst trial I've never gotten to see! Out of a 6 to 8 week trial, we may get to see 10 hours of actual witness testimony. May as well just wait and watch the verdict!
I agree
Somebody at the DA's office REALLY needs to tell her to STOP saying ummm. She sounds like a 6 year old & I really can't listen to her through this whole trial!!!!!
I'm sure her advisors with ask her to review the video.
@@NanaNewfy you’d think she’d want to know how she’s doing? Annnddd read the comments herself. What a nightmare.
This is brutal to listen to. Hard to believe people can do such evil. 💔
I’m sure the Prosecutor is neck deep in work with this case, but come on, this is a BIG case, someone dropped the ball. This opening is subpar for a case of this caliber.
Not impressed with the prosecutor. She comes off as barely informed of the details of this case. How many times did she apologize for misstatements and exaggeration, three? Four?
I don't think she practiced her opening at all, did no-one give her feedback?
Sounds like she's winging it....how many years ago did this happen 😟
Please! For the sake of saving this case and the sanity of the jury and viewers, someone make her STOP! Why on earth is she going into so much detail of the evidence in her opening statement?! This time should be used to engage the jury, give them a run down of which experts or witnesses would be testifying to certain types of evidence, giving a solid motive, and any information should be firm and concise and in an order that is understandable. Save the finer details for testimony, where there will be less use of the non-word “ummm” by witnesses and experts who actually took the time to prepare accordingly. The jury has likely forgotten half the details that she’s stammered and UMMMMED through (if not because of info overload combined with constant breaks in speech so she can add another UMM, then surely through boredom of this lacklustre presentation), only to hear her retract information, say she neglected to give additional information, saying she misspoke, bouncing back and forth between the version of events and scrambling for images to match her fumbling statement. Saying things like, “I think”, “I wanna say”, “I believe” sounds more like fragmented guesswork and doesn’t sound very convincing for a jury trial which will be relying heavily on solid evidence and facts in order for the jury to convict and possibly hand down a death penalty.
I usually relish in opening statements for a trial of this magnitude, and I can barely follow her. For the sake of the victims and their families, I really hope the prosecutor doesn’t destroy this case and the justice they seek because she is a bumbling mess. I have never seen such a poorly presented opening statement by a prosecutor in a death penalty trial, or any jury trial for that matter. The state only gets one chance to secure a conviction…you’d think they would have come better prepared…goodness knows they’ve had enough time.
At this point, I’m feeling like Ronnie O’Neal had a more fluent opening statement representing himself at trial 🤦♀️
I hope the jury doesn’t start to filter out or start to brain wonder due to prosecutors enormous amounts of ums, ands, I thinks and “we kinda know”. She is sounding unsure and inexperienced. I couldn’t wait for this trial to start and now I’m already getting bored and find myself saying come on just get to it! Sorry, I’m just truly worried she’s gonna confuse the jury rather than give jury the confidence it needs to convict. Pray for truth to be found no matter which way it goes. Justice for all involved
They should have one of the other attorneys do the talking
I agree! 💯
She’s awful.
So true, this was a heinous crime and the prosecutors should be better prepared.
She’s a bit slow but at least she isn’t reading her open. She rehearsed.
A three hour opening statement can be condensed to 30 min by simply editing out the word “ummm”. So bleeping annoying to listen to such an educated Attormey with the speaking skills of a 4th grader.
Judge: Madam court reporter can you please read back the last sentence? I think the jury may have misunderstood it.
Court Reporter: umm umm umm and umm umm and umm ummmmmm.
Judge: Thank you madam court reporter. I thought maybe the transcript would reflect a missing but incriminating “ummm” which could affect an ummm appeal.
@Harry Thomas, 😂 hilarious comment!!
😂😂😂
Thank you for posting this trial ❤️❤️
JUSTICE
This prosecutor is one of the best in Ohio. This is just her demeanor and the way she is. She’s got this. She was chosen for this case. Let her do her thing.
@@momdukes7534 GOOD GOD if this is the best the entire state of Ohio can produce what a absolute DISASTER the Justice System must be!
1:18:38 WTF? The prosecutor called these mass murderers "boys." Were any minors at the time of this mass murder? This is CRAZY!!
She is absolutely horrible as a speaker. Lord knows why you would have her do the opening statement. She may be great in cross exam but huge mistake by the state especially the defense really has opened up a decent amount of doubt
It takes more than age to be a man
9/12/22 - Scary that these ppl exist in a civilized nation. We are in trouble - evil is literally in the air. God please protect our souls!
You better pray to another God, because your God has been a very long extended vacation!
Amen DEEONE 😓🙏🏻
@@ihateutube1143 We all have free will & make decisions, good or bad with that free will. God does not control people. We are all broken & evil by our human nature. God doesn't vacation. LOL. He is always present for us to either accept or reject. Jesus/God sacrificed himself for our sins so that we would be redeemed of our sins & choose to live this earthly life in love to all & to live with Him in eternity after our earthly body dies. The choice is ours.
Good gravy, Defense is equally annoying. You're not Mr. Roger's, you're not welcoming us to your neighborhood.... speak like a normal professional adult man. People can only take so much of that sing songy nasal voice. Ugh.
Your honor I would like to object to the state prosecutor’s abuse of the space filling word “umm”! The prosecution is obviously insulting this jury’s intelligence by inferring none of them can comprehend a complete sentence.
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8 people brutally murdered, involving two very large families, and the jury is not sequestered!! On their own for lunch, breaks, and mingled with everyone that is there!, they will definitely hear conversations, watch people, and be influenced! Bad decision not to sequester, at least during the day!
I just can’t with UM opening statement……as a juror I would be so frustrated. She makes almost impossible to follow the timeline and important info. God Bless the court reporter as well.
Can’t follow it at all
UMM UMMM UMM UMM UMMM PLEASE FIRE HER
The court reporter was aggravated YOU could tell lol Lady please sit down
can’t follow it either. it’s not just um, it’s um with a lip/tongue smack. it’s like a tic. wow. i have to skip it and piece the case together as it is revealed. she has zero gravitas in her presentation.
Not the most well spoken (great story teller) attorney. It helps SO MUCH when you have a crime with the SHEER numbers of suspects and victims that are in involved in this crime!
Umm, it might have, umm helped , if umm she quit saying umm, umm. 🤨
@@kimbone7366 Annndddd ummmm god awful
@@kimbone7366 Starting to be really annoying, this uhm uhm business 😩 Can`t even concentrate on what she is saying anymore because of this.
How do you not know she might of had in the back of her mind,,, Will I be killed too being a lawyer on this case..
I figured Angela was the one who started this whole thing.
Wow the prosecutor must've had to back peddle half way through her own statement. What a way to start.
Lol….only in Ohio
A jurors attention span is 15-20 minutes. Her opening was 2.5 hours and very poorly presented.
Charges are shown around 1:07 maybe a little before.
This case has been drawn out 6 nearly 7 years, involving several suspects & victims as well as covering multiple crimes scenes & tons of evidence. This is a very complex case, give the lady a break, she's trying to provide all information & I'm sure it's a big puzzle to keep up with & laying out a huge time-line. I'd rather her take her time & lay it put, This isn't a small case, it's high profile involving alot of ppl.
Out**
Too bad it was given to an inept prosecutor! she is less than adequate to handle this trial ! She should be handling DUI,s …..
The comments are valid though. She doesn’t have to provide ALL information in opening. She should just tell the story of what happened and if there’s evidence to corroborate it, a quick “the evidence will show” or “we know this because” and move on. So much interruption of the story made it disjointed.
She should rehearse before getting up there I agree she is very confusing and does not sound certain or confident
Ummm what do you ummm mean. She's supposed to be special, they ain't getting there money's worth..
Clearly she's not listening to herself say ummm so many times or she would 🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑
OMG just stop talking
Who ended up gaining custody of little Sofia Wagner?
George acting all innocent, but, what's telling ìs his respiration, up down up down. He needs to be convicted. Bye George.
Judging ones guilt off of emotion is what is one of the things wrong with this country, its to early into this trial for that.
@@jeffreyrhymer8985 I've been following this case since the victims were discovered.. these folks are guilty and deserve the death penalty. And both the great grandma's also....
Maybe Canepa is speaking correctly for her jury audience, but for me it is not convincing. Too many weak words, and many things sound like hearsay.I hope she can step up.
She should have made a power point and told the story from that. She sounds like me at my Monday meetings. This is my 3rd day trying to get through this
I will never understand people complaining about the delivery of facts by the prosecution. The things she’s saying are what the family and all of us have waited for years to hear. The Rhoden family was literally massacred in the worst ways imaginable and people complain about her “ummms” 🤦🏼♀️ enough!!!! a whole family is dead, children have no parents. She’s doing her best to fight for this family as well as the ones living without their beloved family members. I just can’t take the criticism. I don’t understand it. Omg
The problem is, if this is her best, she’s in the wrong profession. The jury needs to feel engaged in the story of what happened as if they can SEE it happen. Her rambling, correcting her own incorrect statements, (and yes) the constant “ums”, along with her completely flat presentation style are not helping this case. It’s about as engaging as reading a list of ingredients. It’s a terrible start. The victims deserve better than this. Let’s hope they get it.
@@truethat774 how overwhelmed is she tho?? Living this day to day for years?! It’s so sad she’s flustered I feel it
She's not doing the murder victims any justice with this presentation. The jury already knows this story.
The family deserves a prosecutor that has properly prepared a presentation. Not just a fragmented list of facts. Unfortunately a poor presentation can undermine facts. Like the old saying.... it's not just what you say, its how you say it. I hope the jury can see passed the umms. It looks like people here are getting hung up on them.
It's premature to judge her harshly, it's true she's been under unbelievable pressure to get this right. She may have a slow start, my bet is she'll connect with the jury soon and her ability to tell this extremely complicated story will improve.
Just a few of my observations ... prosecutor tapping on the podium is grating on the nerves. She's not the best speaker & goes into entirely too much detail, as all of the evidence will be given & testified to during the continuation of the trial. She should have had her opening scripted/written out & read from verbatim, so that she could stay consistent, on point, & keep a straight line of speaking/thinking, holding the audience's attention. The opening really should be a synopsis, a high level overview of the story of what happened during their crime spree overall. There are so many facets & moving pieces to the case, that going into as much detail as she did is simply time consuming & boring. George looking evil/angry that he got caught & that his brother & mother ratted on them all. What an evil family! Sounds like they all had a controlling, cult like mentality (also misogynistic) as a whole. Looking forward to catching up on the rest of the trial.
This prosecutor was horrible after all this time and saying UM every few words
Right, hard to follow for sure
What do you mean }after all this time”? Had you seen her in another trial? I agree for as high profile as this case is, I’m amazed that she is the choice for opening statement.
Ummmmm Ummmmm Ummmmm I hope this prosecutor speaks better next time. I understand anxiety with a live trial but this was ridiculous.
Sorry but Nope. I've watched this from the beginning in 2018 it's the way she speaks. She's been an attorney for a long time too. She needs to invest in a public speaking course. That's irritating but she isn't the worst prosecutor I've heard.
@@rsr4099 really! Not the worst you have heard! Small town attorney with no ambition or vision! She is a joke!
@@rsr4099 I can’t understand how she remains in the prosecutors office. What is her conviction rate?
@@rsr4099 Ummmm What you say?
I don't understand why she wasn't "taught" or "critiqued" how to talk without ums and ahs every other word. Her speech is inexperienced, she keeps "backing up", totally unprepared. If this is the best the DA could come up with, the DA's office needs an overhaul. Dewine is probably appalled, after all the years of gathering evidence so these murderers could be convicted. She is no " special" prosecutor. She's a poor choice.
Jesus Fucking Christ, did no one with the DA's office tell her to stop with the constant "um's" during break?!
“Umm” - “right” - “umm”- “right”
This defense is a joke at best... Jake will tell you George didnt do anything.... but the state is depending on con artists and liars... so they're only telling you the truth when they're exonerating George..... please... smdh
“Bovine” Where they changed with Felony First Name?
Should have been, my God! 🙄
I heard Bullvine. :( And don't forget "Ruger."
@@fododude i heard BOLVINE ....any of the 3 are HORRIFIC names to do to a child
@@TheeSnitch It's like they're all from another planet.
@@fododude yes planet WHACKADOODLE
Won’t these be exhibits? Why show them now????
They tried to cover up but kept everything around them
I just want to say I can follow the prosecutor just fine, sure she has to back up sometimes but she's trying to get in as much info she can with what time she has . This is a very poor county and never did anyone expect as their job in a small rural county think they'd have 8 people murdered at one . They have limited money even to spend. I'm very disappointed that they made the deal with Jake and Angela but wonder if they would have had enough proof without it .
Omg that prosecutor is beyond awful,she's all over the place .
I know a lot of people won't agree with me but I feel if Jake Wagner hadn't come forward they wouldn't have alot of the evidence they have now. They also have the whole story except he's sorry for his roll & I think he said he did most of the shootings which I'm not so convinced. I feel like he's punishing himself for going along with his Mother's plan & not having the wisdom or strength to say no. The youngest was the one to come forward to take the blame to maybe save some of his family members. I truly believe he hates himself as much as the other family hates him for what he's done but I feel he deserves a second chance. A person's frontal lobe of the brain that's used for decision making, consequences & so much more isn't fully developed until the age of 25. Think how Jake's Mother even brought her own Mother into this is insane. I would almost guarantee Jake would never had done this as he worked & he still got along with Hanna although they we're children when Hanna had there child then getting married far to young. My heart goes out to the family left behind over these senseless murders may they some day find peace.I sincerely don't want to upset anyone I'm only speaking as a married mother of two young men. This Mother deserves the death penalty for dragging all those to young to know better into this because she's a control freak! God bless them all my heartfelt condolences.🙏❤️🇨🇦
Jake is a MASS MURDERER and there’s no way around it no matter what you want to believe, him and his entire family should be strapped to a set of metal bleachers and zapped with the highest voltage and wattage available! That it’s taken close to 7 years to get to this point is a travesty and it’s sad they have had that much time to breathe the same air as non-mass murderers on this planet! But you can rest assured that unfortunately they will continue to inhabit this world for years to come! Maybe you two can be pen pals!
I agree.
How would anyone sleep knowing their husband and son's are going to murder all these people ? I get she's evil and cold hearted but still . I don't believe it.
I had to google cistern. Possums floating in the cistern? Good God! A reporter who went out there was told she'd have to climb a hill to get cell service.
Did these people pretty much raise Sophia?
Old Jake didn't age well. He looks like he's in his early 50's 😳.
Resting Bitch Face he has….Ummmm
Why is his lawyer smirk8ng ?
I’m sure it’s not easy but toastmasters would have helped her prepare with this. They count your ummms to alleviate when public speaking
Hopefully all 12 jurors are more focused on evidence her actually words than you people and not with all the ummms , how she's dressed and her hair .
Am I impatient, or is this the longest opening statement ever.😳
Has she ever done an opening statement...or seen/listened to one?? This is poorly communicated, unorganized, and too much detail for an opening statement!! 🤦🏽♀️
I feel like the prosecutor filed way too many minor charges in this case. All these obstruction, forgery, burglary, mom hacking the xgf fb. Etc. It made a complex legal case way more complex. It's like she can't see the forest thru the trees.
Actually it's very simple. Jake and Angela provided step by step the plans of the 8 murders. For the life of me, why this one and his crazy dad are going to trial. The perps plead guilty and will be testifying at both trials...
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I've been obsessed with case for a week now.
Also the prosecutor had valid points but ummmm i think ummm right.. omg please stop
We could’ve saved an hour or more if there were no “Uhmmm’s” 🙄😤 Is there ANY way that we could swap her with someone else?🙄 Sooo annoying!
#JusticeJusticeJusticeJusticefortheRhodens 4x the Justice =Billy ,Angela, George , and Jake . Let them all pay for what they've done the sick evil people that they are.
She doesn’t seem good at opening statements
Ummmm What?
I had to FFW through the most of the DA 🤯
I hope her need to give more detail than necessary during opening statement will be to her benefit. If one is going to explain partial details to a crime, more than what most would be during opening statements, then she should explain what a goose box is. A box they built as a gift on fathers day that floats in the middle of their beloved fishing pond. And When you say they have a grove, you mean a grow, like a assortment of pot plants in a feild. Good thing about this opening testimony, which was long and with a lot of um’s; if key witness testimony is not televised, we have some beef to the story.
Why are the witnesses not televised?
It does because the calls that were made and never went through when Billy asked Chris sr to find his phone buying time are proven later during an existence as they showed phone records. He was murdered early in the night and then the Mom Dana didn’t get home until after 11 so I’m still confused about this timelines.
Then after they kill Chris sr they walk over to Frankie house look around then return after they left and ur telling me that Jake crawled in a window and they still didn't hear nothing and was able to walk right in the room and bang there dead nobody moved didn't hear nothing in ur house that's unbelievable that u do not have any clue that all this is going on
He is right down scary looking. Creepy!
The last two Ohio high profile murder trials ie; Dr William Husel, and Matthau Moore also had weak prosecutors. This prosecutor’s , (umm, ah), opening statement at best is extremely boring and hard to follow.
Not hard ti follow at all
I agree
@Brandon Pausta it's been so long and drawn out she's probably scared she'll fuck it up, nervous ha
Agreed on some. But she continues to say. I forgot to mention and I failed to mention to you. So she spoke to these folks in detail prior to the trial, not disclosing information she has now. Is the opening statement A place to do that?
She is so inept !
Had ro skip the PA opening statement. I couldn't stand the consistent "um" nonsensical filler.
She sounds like she's telling a fairy tale story. Doesn't sound too Profesional.
I can’t take it, is defense any better? This is unwatchable.
How in the world did frank and his wife not hear there neighbor his dad getting shot up if the home made silencer didn't work I'm pretty sure there house wasn't that far apart and they live in trailers so u can hear everything in a trailer?
it was only the first silencer that didnt work so they used oil filters, which are very effective
Well the sheriff couldn't believe I didn't hear my neighbor shoot himself . Really I lived in the country I didn't hear it one he did it 50 to 75 yards away in a barn but had I heard it it wasn't out of the ordinary as my other neighbor would shoot rabbits squirrels and other even out of season .
" Billy didn't think that would fly" Omgg Ummm her vocabulary is horrible
Defense attorney is out right lying....that isn't allowed.
Hey defense attorney are we supposed to believe Jake or is he a liar? You're cherry picking items. One minute Jake is vile and evil (I agree) next you say "Jake said George wasn't involved"
Prove it dude
I can't even hear her. Except for umm
I wish the defence attorney would cough, just to get his voice back in place.
um um um um ..... geez that's annoying!
I'd like to say I left out the Father not just Jake's Mother.💐
Um. Um. Um ummmmmm
Dang I am getting used to um um
Very good! The lawyer did a great job at 2:05:20 mark. Separates his client from the others that are accused.
I feel for the defendant with these uneducated prosecutors and back country judge!
Naw, back country is getting involved in your two sons sex lives. Angela is disgusting.
Actually these bumbling idiots HELP the defendant to get off! And yesterday the bumbling idiot of a Judge forgot to give the jurors a notebook and pen! One of the jurors had to ask if they were allowed to take notes!
All of the VERY ANNOYING Ums Ums Ums Ums Um Um Um Um were kind of comical in part 1 of her opening statement but now it makes the entire video unwatchable to me!
Um. I'm. Lol
Same thing at Dania house the door they came in was right by her bed room u don't raise ur head who is at my door little Chris sleeps through two people being shot don't hear don't wake up
Don't be shocked if the jury doesn't find George Wagner guilty. This prosecutor is blowing g this case.
Prosecutor done a great job. Don't know what all you naysayers are crying about
Yea this lawyer is aweful!!!
1:21:44 - Defense lawyer checks his watch. Ummmm, that’s now been ummmm 4hrs 🥱
1:24:16 - ummm…Checks again 😵💫
Ohhh Lordy 🥱😵💫
Is this the best attorney they have for opening this case? 🤷🏻♀️
I’m seriously gritting my teeth at all of her “umm’s”.
This is the worst, and most boring. Opening statement I’ve ever forced myself to watch.🤦🏻♀️😴
I have heard “umm right” so many times this 4 hour story telling.. 🥹🥹 Lord.. umm right