Sodom and Gomorrah: What Was Their Sin?
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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2018
- It's become popular to claim that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was something other than homosexuality. What does the Bible say? Greg Koukl of Stand to Reason responds.
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Skeptics need to ask why the angels were there in the first place. They were there to rescue Lot because God could not even find 10 righteous men there.
They were destroyed because they denied all the warning of Lot . God destroys a people when warning comes and they deny it . Lot was a righteous man , a Prophet! He never ever had sex with his daughters as the Bible says .
You are right as God said that He would not destroy the city for even one righteous person. So God took the righteous out of the city keeping His word to Abraham. Just as it will be with the Rapture of the Saints. God will pull us out of this world before raining His WRATH on the world. Christ is COMING SOON.
Meaning their sin was lack of righteousness. Then what is righteousness in the bible?
@@brandonkim76 Following the teachings in the bible especially the 10 commandments
@@brandonkim76 What is righteousness in the Bible? Righteousness is being morally pure - without sin. What is Sin? Sin is breaking God's moral law - transgressing. 1 John 3:4. The Ten Commandments are a morality test that God will judge us. No one is good...Romans 3:10. The Bible tells us in Romans 3:23 ALL fall short, all have sinned. You see, the Bible says we separated from God, Isaiah 59:2, because of our sin. God requires moral perfection and all humans fall short. James 2:10 Even if we were good enough to keep all the Commandments, but break only one, we are guilty of all. Our sin nature comes from Adam. Romans 5:12. We inherit our rebellious nature from Adam. God is just, our payment for sin is death. Romans 6:23a, but God offers the free gift of eternal life in Jesus Christ.
Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Exactly,why do people find it too hard to understand that scripture?
People think that God is gonna go back on his word, and confuse us , God does not lie , he is the same today and tomorrow, people don't understand that when Jesus said repent of your sins,that means to stop sinning . , He said go and sin no more! Gay people don't really think that God is gonna condemne them, because they hear that God is a God of love. And because it is not one of the ten commandments. Like ,thou shalt not murder!, So people think that Jesus will forgive murderers ,that he will forgive homosexuals also! But since the preachers are not preaching that homosexuality is sin, the homosexual doesn't see it as wrong.. I've never heard a sermon about this when I was attending church. I had to read the Bible to find it out,when I found out about homosexual people. And that was when I was a adult. I never knew there was such a thing when I was a teenager, cause it was kept secret . You see..
@@cynthiacooney1486 Preachers don't teach a lot of things in the bible, like the contradictions and discrepancies and the fact the bible was written decades after the fact. They cherry pick stories to fit their beliefs. Too many issues, imo.
Spot ON - Well Said. It is straight forward, no one can misunderstand it. They may not like it but they clearly have received fair warning. It is an abomination to GOD that he will not tolerate it for long. However GOD will give you space to repent and reconsider your position. But should you continue you will receive the reward.
@@paulcompme856 This is the same God that is all knowing, knew EVERYTHING in advance and knew how things would play out, yet now is upset. Sounds ridiculous doesn't it??
God decided to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because they have rejected his Truth and even though they knew Him yet they did not accept him as Lord so he gave them up to their desires of the heart which is a slippery slope (Romans1). Ezekiel 16 talks of how they were affluent and proud. They also lived very secular life without fear of God Luke 17. Reminds me of current time.
Yes!
I believe the same fate shall befall L.A. and N.Y.C., if they don't mend their rotten ways.
@Mr Magoo's Junkmail regardless it was corrupt to the Core. In that same chapter you didn't see it mention anything else though did you!?
Good work, putting scriptures together, but you may have missed an important and difficult one, Matthew 11:23.
@Mr Magoo's Junkmail Ok, Mr. Magoo, thanks for the reply, but your eyesight hasn't improved. You know better than Jesus about what people would do. Or is it the Calvinism in you that knows all predetermined events?
Should people feel bad about sinning against God? Then go ahead and make people feel bad. People's feelings don't matter. God does.
I don't know how bad it was in Soddom but nowadays it's extremely difficult to not see an ad that doesn't have a man wearing makeup i.e. drag gay or trans acts. Especially in June and probably a second pride month. You can't go one day let alone one video without seeing one person from the alphabet community.
I want to be clear that I don't hate them, I just get very very frustrated with the ads indirectly telling us to accept the acts of lgbts.
ythatesfacts: I don't know why you connect ads of men wearing make-up and "drag queens"/"trans acts" to the story of Sodom. This is assumption at best and error at worst.
The word for "men" in Hebrew is actually the male plural word for "people" or human beings, not exclusively "male-only" as the verse (Genesis 19:4) also includes the word "PEOPLE from every quarter" (of the city), so if it was a mixed sex crowd then they wanted a full-on voyeuristic orgy, which was why Lot offered his two daughters to the beying mob, as he could hardly offer females to a crowd of exclusively male homosexuals. Besides the destruction of Sodom was on the cards before this event actually happened, and if it was only because of this incident that destruction took place, then God owes an apology to Gomorrah who were not directly invloved at all!
The word for "men" ("ANASHIM") is related to the Hebrew word "ANUSH" which means "human."
The word "men" is used to describe mixed-sex situations in many instances throughout Scripture due to the "chauvinistic" nature of Hebrew grammar which uses male to describe both male AND female, such as with terms like "sons of God" which also includes "daughters of God."
This is repeated in further examples throughout Scripture, such as with "men of Galilee" as the crowd were addressed by two angels on top of the Mount of Olives after Yeshua's ascension, and also Peter addresses the crowd in Jerusalem which included many pilgrims and their families from many nations gathered for the Jewish Feast of Weeks ("Shavuot") later called "Pentecost" by the Gentiles, when he used the phrase "men of Jerusalem." Was that Feast with ONLY MEN?!
The second usage of the English word "PEOPLE" ("from every quarter") in Genesis 19:4 is the SINGULAR word for "PEOPLE" which is the small Hebrew word "AM," as in "AM ISRAEL" or the "PEOPLE OF ISRAEL," which further backs up the reality that this verse describes a MIXED CROWD of BOTH MEN & WOMEN, intent on sexually molesting Lot's two angelic visitors.
It is only because of the male-oriented Hebrew grammar that causes so many readers to "jump to conclusions" that people see the word "men" and think it must be a 100% "gay crowd"! 🙃
There are probably more ads featuring "drag queens" today than there ever was in Sodom.
Y is that bad? All that's being told is to accept them, otherwise who would want to be religious, to a (presumably) hateful God? U can't just say "God loves ALL" but find out when I'm gay, that I'll go to hell(I'm practically atheist because of this treatment)
@@redadmiralofvalyria867 by the same standard do you affirm smokers for their smoking? Or bulimic/anorexics for their view they have?
@@redadmiralofvalyria867 God loves the sinner, not the sin. For e.g. if someone you love is an alcoholic, do you enable their behaviour or do you try to get them help for their addiction because they are destroying themselves? Which is more loving?
Secondly, God is a just God which means he must punish sin unless that person has been justified by Jesus death on the cross.
Because you should accept them. A person is not sinful for loving someone of the same sex. Love is love. And I personally believe that this story is about the attempted rape and not the act of homosexuality. I thinks it’s crazy to believe that’s why god burned the whole city down.
You’re right, the Bible text IS very straightforward
The least straightforward book is revelations.
@@KentonTheKnight It’s Revelation, not revelations. It’s not plural.
@@joshyoungforindiana you're right, some of my friends called it revelations, so it just kinda stuck with me.
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I kept waiting for the preacher to read Ezekiel 16:49 but he never did. "Look, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: She and her daughter had pride, fullness of food, and abundance of idleness; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy."
Sounds like the United States to me..
You missed verse 50 “They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it. (Ezekiel 16:50, ESV)”
Yes, verse 50 is important. It references the abominations that are specifically detailed in Genesis 19. Those cities had a lot of sin going on, but we need to make sure not to cover over the narrative in Genesis 19. Ezekiel isn’t telling us to ignore the Genesis narrative, but adding even more condemnation to the sins that were already mentioned.
@@brunsonsisters3236 And you have sought to ADD to the verse by including AN. There is no such word in the original AND this verse follows verse 49. In other words, ALL the SINS for which Sodom was destroyed God listed. THAT IS A FACT.
The man in the video ERRED badly by not quoting Ezekiel 16 all in a quest to establish a point that is INACCURATE.
@@aliciamcdonald7105 read the article in the description link. He addresses Ezekiel 16 there.
It's not bashing it's a warning to repent from that sinful lifestyle
More like an example 😮💨 God said 🚮
Can I please ask you a few questions, and this isn't to start an argument... but I really do wonder, are you essentially saying that it is 'sinful', 'wrong' and an 'abomination' for two people of the same, physical sex to fall in love with one another?
If it's the act of sex that is the sin, is sex not more than mere lust and biological urge... is it not a 'making of love' between two souls, which have no gender?
What do you also have to say about the science, as well as rich amount of evidence, to show the detrimental effects of repressing love and/or romantic desire.
The Bible/Qur'an and many other holy texts of the major religions... all talk about the fact that we "Cannot live without love, and expect to know God," of course, love manifests in many different ways, but in the particular case of a 'homosexual' person, falling into romantic love, that homosexuality being something that they can't get rid of, only repress, (that being because of respect for their religion etc), how is it that their only options are... to live without/repressing romantic love, and face the torment and suffering that this brings, or... live in 'sin' and expect an afterlife in hell, seperate from God, who seeks to punish them?
The certain sexual escapades of Sodom & Gomorrah, seem to be a form of unbridled sexual desire... in which the men, full of lust and desire for sex, took on eachother and dismissed their wives, sort of how sexaually isolated and/or hightened males will often turn to homosexual acts in order to satisfy their sexual desires, even if, in the first instance, it feels wrong to them, as they are, by default, in many cases, 'straight', and desire nothing but sexual pleasure from their same-sex counterparts, NOT loving, commited relationships... they learn to 'like it' because they crave the sexual gratification that it can bring, regardless of their 'innate preferences.'
i.e- (The activities rampant in all-male-prisons etc.)
Most modern holy texts don't specifically look at anything to do with the concept of actual 'sexual orientation', nothing has ever specifically spoken against, or been in favour of homosexuality, NOT as a result of unbridled sexual desire, but as an actual, innate preference... in other words, a sexual orientation, which is far from just 'which one of the two sex do you lust for, sexually', then there are people with no sexual desire at all, they often won't go on to have children either, for they don't desire sex with the opposite sex, and in fact, any sex at all... are these people also sinful, diseased and/or plagued by demons?
For example... I can't find any specific scriptural references to whether I should, or I shouldn't be able to, say, walk out on the streets naked, in the Christian Bible at least... what does this mean, that it's wrong, right, or... it just simply doesn't matter enough to have even be contained within a holy text, regardless of the moral standard of modern day society, and what would actually happen to you if you were to do such a thing, (it's not supported by or unsupported by, say, The Bible), walking out on the streets naked isn't 'wrong', but, say, purposely going out to expose yourself to children, falls under a very much written sin, that is sexual abuse of/misconduct of a minor.
Like homosexuality, it doesn't sound like something a truly homosexual person could rightfully be punished for, yet, someone who isn't truly homosexual, yet is lead unto homosexual acts by means of their unbridled lust itself, may very well face consequences, still, regardless of that, will probably self destruct anyway, just like a homosexually oriented person would, by... say, repressing/forsaking their innate, sexual/ROMANTIC preferences, and then, just lustfully taking whatever they can get their hands on, regardless of that.
We also look into the main, major sins... all of these things being over arched by the reaccuring theme of pain, pain to another or pain unto yourself... engaging in a loving, committed homosexual relationship, hurts neither anyone outside of that relationship, nor... within it, if the argument is that it 'hurts one's soul', then what about the truth of spirit transcending physical sex/gender?
Perhaps we are 'hurting nature', but didn't you know that their are 'opposing elements' to all things, that serve a purpose, and in the grand scheme of things, as long as in balance, keep everything moving in the way in which they're supposed to... OF COURSE not everyone could be 'homosexual', but is that not the same principle in which, not all 'animals' could be carnivorous?
P.S- The closest that a real, healthy, homosexual relationship can get to 'harming' a person, would be in an outsiders inability to just, 'let the homosexual couple be', holding hate towards them.
This is not something that we have been taught, by the Bible etc it/themselves, to dictate our lives upon, we must do what our own our personal journey with God, our life and our spirit have shown us is best for US, OUR SOULS AND OUR MENTAL, PHYSICAL AND SPIRITUAL FULFILMENT.
Please, from a place of peace, love and light, in the name of The Father, The Son and of The Holy Spirit... I'd really love to hear your thoughts on all of this :)
It's homosexuality
Wow I did not expect so many comments and yet little likes all because some can’t just accept homosexuality is a sin
I should do this more
He was beating around the bush, trying not to offend people. Weak.
@@ErickMartinSucre He was eliminating other options as to why God punished them. He said in the beginning that there are several reasons people give as to why the cities were destroyed, and in the end he straight up said it was homosexuality.
@@timothywalker801 I see. Thank you for the clarification ☺️
@Matthew Arceneaux and his teachings
@Matthew Arceneaux Agreed.
They burnt children to an alter, committed sexual abominations and other disgusting affairs that offended not only God, but humanity.
They were a monstrous group of people that lived by an idealism that is slithering back into the world.
You described Hollywood perfectly.
the first thing you've mentioned should have been done to you for liking pepe
@@NBrioDaZueraRules who's pepe??
Murikas done the same.
Jesus said it will be just as it was in those days when he returns and even worse.
Today people are criticized and called bigots for standing up for God’s truth, we are all sinners we can’t cast any rocks ourselves. We must pray for the conversion of sinners for everyone and others. Jesus has great mercy for those willing to turn from their wickedness and follow him, we must be imitators of Christ and put our faith, trust, hope in him and pick up our cross daily and follow him. From dust we were made and dust we shall return, but by the grace and mercy of Jesus may our souls forever live in his heavenly presence instead of the lake of fire which never ends.
The Creator of the universe already issued a Final Ruling on this lifestyle: He warned us not to engage in it.
Sexual assault is a sin ...Your are trying to submit someone sexually against his/her will , is the wicked intentions where the sin lies upon , God doesn't like rapists , They we're destroyed with great justice , they should thank that their deaths was so quick...trust me it can be way worse
Reubén ראובן דורדו Dorado Son of God AHA! Someone has FINALLY seen it! AMEN!
What about lot’s daughters that got him drunk and slept with him and had his children without consent?
@@royrogers3133 Also wrong, what's your point?
I think God was quite justifiably angry that a gang rape was about to happen to his messenger angels. For sure!
So glad you didn't make another apology for homosexuality. We need to not be afraid to go against culture and speak the truth in love.
what was their sin??? look at the name sodom
Repent to Jesus Christ!
““Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.”
Matthew 11:28-29 NIV
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I don’t see anything in the Bible where Jesus mentioned homosexuality.
@@CoyKiyote Jesus permanently defines marriage in Matthew 19:4-6.
@@CoyKiyote Lev18: 22 Read the Bible
@@leehawes8073 Oh yeah, Leviticus, where we are told to welcome the foreigner into our land.. that one doesn't get a lot of play
Jesus is Yahweh, the author of life, and yes, He is also the author of the sexual stipulations in Leviticus. We did not make our bodies; He did. We did not buy our bodies; He did, with his own life. The bodies that we temporarily possess are not our own: They belong to our maker and redeemer. God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble. In Him alone do restless souls find rest, and sinners, sainthood.
It was homosexuality
LOT Had sex with his daughters! Incest is wrong! In The heaven You Will meet this rapist LOT! LOT offering his daughters that The men can gang bang them! The Bible family values father Sex With The daughters! Father offering his daughters that The men can gang bang them!
@@RaineriHakkarainen If you read the Bible you would know what happened with Lot's incestual sons. He was passed out drunk when his daughters forced themselves on him. You should read up on Moab and Ammon before making foolish comments.
I was homosexuality and it was straight people too.
Yes. I think so too.
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It was the whole ball of wax. It started out with one type sin, and slid into complete amorality , both in thinking and behavior.
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Big Gloss-Over at 1:29 mark. "available women that were offered to them that Lot offers" were Lot's DAUGHTERS! Intentional gloss-over obvious to anyone HALFWAY familiar with the scriptures. Without disputing that it would be "a sin" to rape strangers who come into town rather than offer hospitality, are we to believe that Lot's approach to his daughters, treating them as "property" to be offered to the worst men in the neighborhood for rape, is NOT a sin? Incredible. Mind-boggling. Sad.
I read somewhere that Lot was a laughing stock to the Jews and if so it's obvious that his conscience was what it was. As it is written in Romans 3:
“There is no one righteous, not even one". "Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin".
"But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood-to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished- he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus."
From this it's possible to conclude that people who had no chance to believe in Jesus but followed God's will were spared thanks to God's forbearance. Perhaps this also extends to those unbelievers who were not evil to the core, but have no chance to see God? Who knows?
In case of a flood: Genesis 6:5: "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."
Similarly in Sodom: Genesis 13:13 "But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly."
Most people sinned persistently in the Old Testament, and thus various misfortunes befell them.
Lot certainly died, so he was punished, but it is not known whether he was also punished after that, just like his daughters for sleeping with him, because it's not written.
On the other hand it is written in the book of Chronicles that God Himself destroyed the Moabites and Ammonites after they tried to invade Jehoshaphat kingdom. And his name in hebrew means "God judged".
STOP APOLOGIZING,
They should feel BAD,
They are living in SIN,
Would JESUS apologize for calling out SIN.
They are trying to justify FILTH.
STOP APOLOGIZING.
We should also have compassion for them. We are sinners too. Right before Jesus went to commission His Apostles, He had compassion for His people.
@@joshyoungforindiana JESUS said in Matthew 10:34 "“Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword."
@@mikegriffin104 I wholeheartedly agree with the intent of your message, just not the tone, it seems as if you are leaving no room for the grace and forgiveness that was paid for on the cross.
The story is not true. It makes no sense and there’s no evidence for it and no reason to believe it. “Every” man and boy came to rape these travelers! Every? Think about it. That’s ridiculous. And Lot’s solution is to offer his virgin daughters to raped by EVERY man and boy of the town! That’s the heroic solution?! That’s immoral!
Think, people. This isn’t real. It doesn’t make sense and it isn’t moral.
@@joshyoungforindiana
I agree with you here....
Nowhere in scripture are we commanded to hate someone else's sin. Instead we are to present the gospel. Explain how their sins have separated them from God and what Christ did to repair that severed relationship. It would seem that if any given Christian would make it a point to tell an unbeliever that they hate the unbelievers sin...
Would be going off track (a detour) if you will. It comes off as self serving. Our focus is on putting Christ front and center. Assuming that God's Holy Spirit convicts the unbeliever of their sin....they will feel the full weight of guilt then and there. No need to let them know that we hate their sin as it would be equal to kicking a man when he is down. Instead once the unbeliever is convicted of their sin.... immediately we are to placard Christ into the conversation as God's remedy.
I apologize for the long winded response, but I wanted to add to your excellent points.
I am tormented by what's going on around the world....i need Jesus.... i really need him
I urge you most sincerely NOT to HATE any man you see wearing make-up, as we so often see nowadays. Because good Christians should not HATE! But do have the courage to go go up to him, & in the most humble & sincere manner, entreat him to desist. Gently warn him that wearing make-up today will very likely lead him onto unforgiveable sins, like the abomination of lying with another man! And if he tells you that he has indeed been laying another man or men, then you must in no uncertainty terms inform him that he has committed the most grievious sin in the eyes of God!
Thank you for your frankness. Love the sinners, hate the sin. We should pray that homosexuals see the light. Good video
Shouldn't we pray => ALL sinners => SEE THE LIGHT ? Why do you care so much more for homosexuals and their salvation => than the rest of all sinners ?
Curious => Do you believe GOD sends the SIN to HELL => or the sinner ?
Curious => why does God punish finite sin => with never ending torture ?
Your comments and the video ARE NOT good. Not at all.
@@13kimosabi13 To see my comments you would have had to watch the video. It would not be hard to come to the conclusion the video would head where it did so why even bother watching it?
Really? If Genesis 19 is about homosexuality and it was so egregious that God had to destroy Sodom the. Why did He wait 800 years and let everyone on earth, the Jews, the Egyptians, the Canannites all do it for 800 when He came to Moses in Leviticus 18?
Since Sodom was destroyed about 2300 bC and Moses lived about 1500 BC.
Leviticus 18 tells us God told Moses to tell the children of Israel to stop these things. God acknowledges other nations but never gives them the list and never destroys Egypt. He acknowledges that up until that moment the children of Israel had been participating in all of the things so why wait 800 years and let them do these things but destroy Sodom in a day? Makes no sense
@@13kimosabi13 He kind of explained that in the video. Adulterers usually admit they're wrong. Thieves, murderers, liars, and even fornicators realize that their behavior is sinful. Yet, few admitted sinners fight as hard as homosexuals to convince the world that their behavior is acceptable to God. Yes, love the sinner, no matter the sin, and pray for them, as we pray for ourselves, to acknowledge our sin and ask for forgiveness. Hell was made for the devil and his angels, but others make a choice to go there with him. Finite sin is eternal when forgiveness is never asked for and repentance is never made.
@@jacqueline8124 Curious => what percentage of humanity would you say MAKES A CHOICE TO GO TO HELL ?
Is it what we do => acknowledging our sin => that makes us righteous ? Or is it what Jesus has done ?
If satan, in a few minutes => deceived Eve and convinced Adam to sin => thereby dooming 100% of mankind to hell ==> and Jesus can only manage to SAVE 30% or less ==> and therefore 70% or more => remain doomed to eternal torture in hell ==> WHO REALLY WON ?
Did GOD not UNDERSTAND THIS => BEFORE HE EVER STARTED CREATED ?
Seems kind of sadistic that HE would go thru with that PLAN (and most X-ians tend to believe the number closer to 90% than 70% which makes it even more confusing).
Please explain. Thanks !
I love how he brushes of the sexual assault and rape part entirely. sexual assault isn't just "rude".
I always thought Gamorra dropped a bar of soap in the shower, bent over to pick it up just as Sodom happened to pass by....and the rest, as they say, is history!
That’s not what he was saying
@@chickens3156 It's exactly what he was saying. He dismisses these points outright.
@@MelindaSordinoIsLiterallyMe No, listen to how he says it: "I mean yeah, sexual assault on visitors, that's not good manners." Given the context of him saying previously that it's like saying a man who murdered his wife is an insensitive husband. He's essentially saying: "That's one way of putting it." Implying that it's not the most accurate way of putting it.
@@chickens3156 Well, try to argue in court or before god that raping or attempted rape of whoever was merely "bad manners". Come on man. By saying that, he downplays it to a minor thing when it is indeed a full on sin! And attempted sin is still a sin! And then he waited all this time to drop the gay bomb and wen't like "Woah, WHAT?!" So not the attempted assault on Angels was a sin? Not booundless promiscuhity and excess was a sin but homosexuality is? You guy's can't be serious.
Years ago I sat around a table full of clergy at our weekly Bible study when this topic came up. Sure enough, it was only one of the younger clergy, educated at a liberal seminary (United Methodist) that tried to explain to the rest of us the 'real problem' at Sodom. It was not, he said, homosexuality itself...rather the fact that their approach to it was not contained within a committed, loving relationship." That's pretty much the position that has won favor in Western Civ today. Where that leaves us is having to decide whether or not that position finds favor with God. We conservative Christians don't buy it---liberal protestants do. Thus, the liberal protestants say to the secular culture that they are spot on and hang in there, and to the conservative Christians that we are bigots. And that's pretty much where things stand. I guess God himself is going to have to sort this one out. As most things are these days, this issue has become yet another battle in the seemingly endless culture wars...of which, I confess, after 50 plus years, I am tired...not to mention retired (which is short for really tired...of it all.) Hence, I say, "Maranatha...come Lord Jesus!!!"
Soon John, soon enough we will rapture out of this world.
@@davidwadsworth8982 Right...and Jesus will not even need to assign many angels to the west coast where I'm at in order to gather his "elect." Ain't that many out here. Thanks for the encouragement. God bless...hope to see you in the sky.
@@davidwadsworth8982 It sounds like something you're looking forward to but I am not. It frightens me. yes I'm Christian but how the rapture happens sounds like an alien abduction. I'm just being honest about my feelings. Floating up into the sky would traumatized me. Do you get what I'm saying? What are your thoughts please? Can you offer me a little council?
@@Yellow-Rose f YOU are a Christian, the Pre -Tribulation that the BIBLE says is going to happen( to all true believers) is something you want to happen. I doubt your faith .Get into that bible you use as a paper weight.
@@davidwadsworth8982 What a mean and disrespectful thing to say. Esp to someone who just wanted to learn more. The fact that you pushed me away and didn't offer a chance to talk about Jesus is not what Christians do. I question your faith. You must be one of those narcissistic "Christians" who would rather knock somebody upside the head with a hardcover Bible than actually help anyone or approach them with open arms. You don't know anything about me to pass judgment. You don't know what stage I'm at in my journey. Yes I'm all for being enveloped in God's love, but the way the rapture happens is where I had questions. You're just on here trolling. It looks like you deleted your comment. Or maybe YT did.
I keep getting kicked out ( 24 hrs) for "violating community standards". All i say is the truth.
Yeah they do that to me too.
and now,,theres monkeypox,,,God is watching all of us and he isnt happy
Sodom and Gomorrah were the first example of subjective morality driven by progressivism in society.. summarizing everything for one sin is not the answer to this question.
The best explanation regarding this subject! Perfectly done. Clear/short/to the point! Thank you. The only individuals who would still argue against this are those that want homosexuality NOT to be considered sin (wrong). I have more respect for those that just admit that they CHOOSE to live that lifestyle and do not care that it is sin.
U know nothing
Racemixing, thus making mamzers out of the Adamites was the reason, according to the Hebrew texts. Homosex a close second I would think
Oh so you're actually bi then?
You know, people who think it's a ""Choice"" are very suspicious.
You're gay
“My goal is not to bash anybody! To make anybody feel bad!”
Why must pastors preface their messages with such things these days? Just boldly preach what the gospel says. Who cares if someone has their feelings hurt.
Because he knows he would get cancelled
Great. Few Pastors tell this truth these days.
trommelbiel: That's because a "pastor" is not the same office or calling as a "teacher" so they should not be TEACHING in the all-body ministry of the Church, they should be "pastoring," visiting the sick, elderly etc. The modern churches expect one man do all Biblical roles! 🤯
God had already decided to destroy the city BEFORE the angels came
And the reason HE had decided to destroy the cities because they were most wicked and immoral! Hence the name Sodom and what does that name mean?
@@honaybear5286 So he killed all women, children, babies and elderly in the city as collective punishment?
Did i understand that right?
@@MagnificentXXBastard maybe there were not any children in the city! All the people in the city were evil and wicked the women were with women in the men wear with men doing shameful things abominable things! And you cannot judge HIM so get out of that area look at yourself because you are a wicked human being!
@@MagnificentXXBastard all the people were evil and wicked. He knew that they were not going to change just like today it has always been their way some people will never change from being evil and wicked they will die in their sins. That's why the Bible tells us the wages of sin is death if you continue to sin and do not Repent and receive Jesus Christ as your Savior and Lord you will die and spend eternity in torment are you going to say something about that too!? Will you can't, and even if you did it doesn't matter what you going to do about it what you going to do about?? it nothing! HE Knows what HE is doing you cannot judge HIM and HE also destroyed billions of people with the flood you going to tell HIM something about that too!? well you can't!!!!
@@MagnificentXXBastard And I'm so sorry let's just say if it was babies and children there they would go to heaven!!!!! I would like think since these people did not come together intimately in the natural way that means a man with a woman children there! They were all together in agreement evil Wicked minded they more than likely they did not come together and intimacy and produce children! God know what He's doing He's omniscient that means He knows everything get out of His business! And I hope you Repent and know Jesus Christ as your Savior and Lord or you will spend eternity in Fire and torment yourself.😊
A sin against the 6th commandment. All sexual sins are against the 6th commandment. Sodomy is one of the five sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance
It is also clear in Genesis 19 that the men of sodom wanted to have sexual relations with the two angels visiting Lot(the men saw the angels as men, in other words, the men wanted to have homosexual relations)
Be a man enough and speak with boldness. Sin is Sin. Don't bit around the bush. Be straight forward. Don't compromise. Stop being naive.
I would just love to know how an entire city becomes homosexual when it’s less than 5% of the population today
5% homosexuals and 95 % enablers. Isn’t that what we have today? Pride month?
San Francisco...
Thank you for this. I'm troubled by the world taking scripture and attempting to morph it into something it isn't. All they are doing is pulling individuals straight to hell.
No you are morphing it into something it isn't, so what now?
@@kingpeer14 I'll take that chance. Are you willing to take that chance?
@@jeffgibson8655 I don´t take chances, I take actions of events from the past and their logical outcomes (Excuse my Englisch, for I am Dutch) I don't rely on books...never....
How is Jeff altering what is so obviously the Truth?
Hardcore sinners love playing mental gymnastics to excuse themselves.
Bottom line is God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve or Eve and Eva.
Dude talking about rape in front of a playground. Genius.
God’s word says the soul that sins shall die! Believe it!
It was. Despite what the LBQH/whatevers try to say today.
I think you are missing the fact that God had already determined his judgement upon soddam and gammorrah BEFORE the angels appeared. The angels were there to get Lott and his family out before the destruction. Their crime(s) were many. Most from their way of Godless living, lusting for the flesh, homosexuality, and God only knows what else. Read your scripture before attempting to tell others
It seems that it could’ve been a combination of things as to why God destroyed them…homosexuality, acts of rape, bad treatment of the poor, selfishness etc…
The reason why because perversion was in both cities
Your children are at risk, do not sell them to the world system!
No apologies needed to speak the truth according to God’s word. If the truth hurts well that is the fact and if you just have to suck it up and bear the consequences of the evil deeds of the sexual perverts of soddom & gommorha that still are present in the world to this day and are growing in numbers & strength.
Plain and simple. Thank you for sharing the truth, the Word of God, which is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
A little study and common sense without partiality will tell you this man is right. There are always those who do not wantt to accept truth, that will twist it, deny it, or explain it away because they don't want to accept it.
Saying that gay is Biblically OK is a perfect example that you can believer what you want even from the Bible.
Yet, we need to remain *_perpetually_* humble so that God can teach us even more from His Holy Word. Greg may have missed a far bigger Truth by stopping short in his chain of logic.
How unusual to actually hear the Truth about alternate lifestyles.
There’s nothing worse than a unbelieving proud sinner. God cannot work with that and so He won’t.
Lot ,abraham's nephew knew his fellow city men that they were not fully homosexual. He said in genesis 19: 8Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them to you, and you can do to them as you please. But do not do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.” The sin was not homosexuality but the sin of trying to have sex with angels. It says strange flesh in Jude 1:7. this was the sin of genesis 6:1 too where even angels were never to have relations with humans either.This time it was the vice versa.
please pray for me... i struggle with severe same-sex thoughts... they keep me at night and keep me miserable depressed and anxious about my future... and everyone celebrating it like it is a good thing but it is not, it is a grave sin..... i have not acted on them and i do not plan to or support them. please pray for religious people like us who suffer in this way
I understand that you may have been taught that same-sex attraction is a sin or a disorder, but I want to assure you that this is not true. There is nothing wrong or unnatural about being attracted to people of the same sex. It is a normal and healthy part of human diversity. Many religious traditions and leaders have affirmed that God loves and accepts all people, including LGBT people. You can be faithful to your religion and also embrace your sexuality.
I encourage you to seek professional help if you are feeling depressed or anxious. There are therapists and counselors who can help you cope with your emotions and explore your identity in a safe and respectful way. You may also benefit from joining a support group or an online community of LGBT people who share your faith. There are many resources and organizations that can help you find acceptance and healing.
Please don’t let fear or shame keep you from living authentically and joyfully. You have nothing to be ashamed of or afraid of. You have a lot to offer to the world and to yourself. You have a bright future ahead of you, full of love and happiness. Please don’t give up on yourself or on God. God loves you just the way you are.
@@MelindaSordinoIsLiterallyMe it is both wrong and unnatural. it may not be the case for every gay person but it is one of the possible aftermaths of trauma. it is also a result of people in society saying it's okay to feel this way when it isn't, and this motivates people to be proud of feeling a way that goes against our intent of creation. you're not a bad person having those desires, as all of us humans have feelings towards things that aren't necessarily good for us, but there is a necessary sacrifice needed from us as humans that allows us to surrender to God's will, and one of those sacrifices comes through the test of love. how different is it to someone who is inflicted by a terrible disease with no cure, a very poor financial situation for a single mother with a special needs child? each person is tested in a unique way by God and they will be judged accordingly by the way they respond to their test. the answer is to seek help from this test through God and a healthy support system (not one that permits wrongdoing).
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Pray to Jesus and he will strengthen your resolve! Don't listen to the satanists that will tell you that being gay is normal for it is not!
@@MelindaSordinoIsLiterallyMe Sodom and Gomorrah Cities were fully filled with Homosexual Men, that's why Sodom and Gomorrah city were destroyed by God, because it was the Worst Sins, since there was no one committed before like Homosexuality activism!
Pride
Fullness of Bread
Abundance of Idleness
Not Helping The Poor and Needy
That was their sin.
Yes that was their sin but that was not their only sin! (Jude 1:4 ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness). Lasciviousness means sexual desires, look it up! (Jude 7 Sodom and Gomorrah and the other towns around them. And the same way they were full of sexual sin and people who desire sexual relations that God does not allow. They suffer the punishment of Eternal fire, as an example for all to see. (2nd Peter 2:7 And delivered just Lot vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked): these people were Wicked often you associate filty people with sexual immorality. Think about it Lot offered them his virgin daughters!
You forget that they were sodomizing each other.
The next verse refers to their sexual sins as abominations. Just so ya know.
In the quran Allah mentioned their sin which is homosexuality. Prophet Lot advised them to stop these wicked acts but they didn’t listen so he flee with his family and after that the angle lifted the villages upside down and Allah rained on them big rocks, each rock has a name for the person who is going to get killed with.
Allah says in the Quran: And ˹remember˺ when Lot scolded ˹the men of˺ his people, ˹saying,˺ “Do you commit a shameful deed that no man has ever done before?(80)
You lust after men instead of women! You are certainly transgressors.”(81)
But his people’s only response was to say, “Expel them from your land! They are a people who wish to remain chaste!”(82)
So We saved him and his family except his wife, who was one of the doomed.(83)
We poured upon them a rain ˹of brimstone˺. See what was the end of the wicked!(84)
I'm pretty sure he's "missing the point" on this one. This story in Gen. 19 has to be seen in contrast to the previous scene in Gen. 18. The way the men of Sodom wanted to treat the messengers in Gen. 19 (unrighteously) is in stark contrast to the way Abraham treated them then in Gen. 18 (righteously). In Scripture, righteousness is almost always equated with JUSTICE and unrighteousness is almost always equated with INJUSTICE. When prophets warned Israel of their "unrighteousness", they were saying God would judge Israel because of their unjust and violent ways. They would be exiled for not holding to the commands to treat their fellow human beings, especially "foreigners" and "immigrants" (i.e. visitors & messengers), with the dignity and hospitality that all human beings deserve. So when we contrast how Abraham respected and honored the messengers with how the men of Sodom disrespected and dishonored the messengers, we can clearly see that this story is not about homosexuality. As a matter of fact, the sexual language in these passages are hyperbolic to represent peoples' wickedness and idolatry that caused them to treat their fellow human beings, who were created in the image of God just as they were, with such cruelty! It takes more work to dig into the ancient historical and theological context of these stories, but doing so will help us see ALL or our fellow human beings, gay or straight, through the eyes of God. That is with a love that compels us to treat EVERYONE with dignity and respect!
We need to pay attention to what the Lord Jesus says: If Sodom had witnessed the miracles that Jesus did in his time, they would have repented and believed:
"And you Capernaum, will you be lifted up to heaven? No, you will be cast down to hell. For if the signs done in you had been done in Sodom they would have remained to this day. But I tell you it will be more tolerable in the day of judgement for them than for you."
This verse (Matthew 11:23) is important for several reasons. First it mentions Sodom. It clearly implies that they could have been forgiven and spared destruction, therefore "saved." And for theologians, it offers evidence of the Lord having what some have called "middle knowledge," that is omniscience with regard to what could have been and the potential outcome as it plays out into the future.
You present a very good argument. I hope others hear.
good choose of words and the thing is clear
Ezekiel 16:49-50
49This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. 50They were haughty, and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them when I saw it.
On point! Thank you for sharing!
Incest, adultery, etc...
Thank. For your INSIGHT AND THE TRUTH😮
spot on
I think you narrowed it down more than what Peter was saying. Although it certainly would have included homosexuality, Peter's words can simply refer to having no sexual boundaries and can refer simply to promiscuity. But after you factor in their refusal that day to take the women offered to them, and every man in the city refused the offer, then that would indeed narrow it down to your conclusion. And that may be how you arrived at your conclusion. But you did not say that.
People have said I'll die FOR being gay/genderfluid
I don't believe so, but how do you think it feels(as a Catholic) so hear other religious people say so
There are many religious people who don't know the God of the Bible, including many who call themselves Christians. Anyone who would die in support of being homosexual (or any other deviant behavior) does not understand who God is.
@@rafaelshumaker1883 Or maybe some of you are more interested in modern day politics than understanding the culture context of the scripture. The deviant behavior the Bible addressed is rape & old men raping young boys. The readers understood they should *NOT* do what the Romans, Greeks, & other cultures around them were doing. They were raping & even castrating young boys. Most biblical scholars understand this context. The issue is further compounded by alterations made to bibles in English during the 40s, for reasons having to do with the cold war & the FBI using "homosexuality" as a weapon for blackmail. This is literally the period the book of Revelation told us about & most Christians are too distracted or wrapped up in the cultural battles to notice what's going on.
@@notawinemom8540, it sounds like you are saying that the Bible is against rape, but not against homosexuality. It sounds like you're saying that it is merely current culture that is twisting the Bible and seeing it through homophobic glasses. Am I understanding you correctly?
@@redadmiralofvalyria867 According to the Catholic Church the acts of sodomy or same sexual relations are still sinful.
A'men to that Brother Greg! Thank you so much for being so upfront, so honest and "most definitely" totally Biblical! Keep up the great work Brother, and may God greatly bless you and your ministry sir 🙏
Agree! A lot of solid logic being used, but he did not go far enough with his logic! Only with *_perpetual_* humility can we see beyond the *_ink_* into the *_spirit_* of God's Truth.
@@RodMartinJrDo you support Dylan Mulvaney too?
@@menofculture108 Would a person with Good Reading *_Comprehension_* skills ask such a question? Answer: No.
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@@RodMartinJr so yes 🤣
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Satan loves to twist the scriptures…He’s been doing it from the beginning.
“’Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.” Ezekiel 16:49
There is no need to look and judge the scripture actually says what the problem is …based on the text of Ezekiel homosexuality is the fruit but NOT the root. The root is more likely wealth and pride as the scripture describes as apathy and fullness of bread. Notice that homosexuality flourishes under the these conditions. Homosexuals tend to be wealthier than the average citizen and also tend to live in the most expensive zip codes. They are less likely to be religious, apathetic or unconcerned about the things of God.
I think the 'root' is rebelliousness, rebelling against God's laws, design and authority, against his sovereignty. I don't care if they are wealthy, live in grand houses, think they are doing well. Good luck with all that, enjoy it now because their day of reckoning is coming, those poor, rebellious, Godless people. Pity help them because nothing else will.
Read the next verse
“And they were haughty and committed abomination before Me; therefore I took them away as I saw fit.”
~Ezekiel 16:50
That’s homosexuality.
“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.”
~Leviticus 18:22
@@littlefishbigmountain not disagreeing like I said apathy and fullness of bread is root which perfectly describes Americans and Western culture where even the poor are overweight.
Sounds like United States to me... She is Sodom's sister and Babylon's Sister.. judgement is here
Lot seen and heard these things daily....they just paraded around doing all types of sexual perversions. like in the cities today. maybe it was sex in the streets and all the sounds given. We are headed there today
@covering-some-things : Yes, but it is not all homosexuality. Plenty of hetero kinky stuff out there too! 🥵
The bible said homesexuality is a sin true..but judging human being is not my job to do its God..so pls lets pray for all of us..
Discernment and condemnation are two different kinds of judgment. None of us have the right to condemn another person because we are all guilty sinners in need of salvation. Only Jesus can save us.
Discernment and conviction are different. This is the ability to see between right and wrong. Sin is always destructive, and it is absolutely the loving thing to do to warn people that sin leads to death and hell.
Thank God there is forgiveness in Christ! He gives us the strength to repent and turn away from our sins. I tried for a long time when I was younger to justify my sins. I was in the LGBT community and did not want to realize how much sin was destroying my life. I am grateful for the conviction the Holy Spirit placed on my heart and the loving ways Christians told me the truth in love. There is real healing, love, joy, peace, and freedom when we stop fighting and rebelling against the LORD. I needed to give up my sins and idols in order to heal from the darkness.
Let's definitely pray for people. Also we can do the loving thing of sharing uncompromised truth. It's never about being better than anyone. It should never be done in hypocrisy. Righteous judgment in a discerning and warning way can be what saves a soul from death. Truth is difficult to face and quite offensive at first, but it is freedom from the bondage of sin.
The selfless, sacrificial, unfailing agape love of Jesus Christ is far superior to the lusts of this world. People who truly are looking for love will only find perfect love in Jesus, not sin or idols.
Psalms 11:5 God hates evildoers. He sends evildoers too hell. You love them by telling them the truth and the truth is God does not take pleasure in judging the evil people rather He would prefer they repent and come to Him and become born again into a new life. To come to Christ Jesus.
"Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy." Ezekiel 16:49
Homosexuality and Civilization ... author ... Louis Crompton
The book of Ezekiel, which made Sodom a city heartless toward the needy, is generally dated about 590 BCE. But not until the writings of Philo is homosexuality unequivocally represented as intrinsic to Sodom's lifestyle and its preeminent sin--the view adopted by the fathers of the early church. What we may call the "Sodom of selfish wealth" considerably antedates the later Philonic-Patristic conception of the "homosexual" Sodom.
Read the next verse
“And they were haughty and committed abomination before Me; therefore I took them away as I saw fit.”
~Ezekiel 16:50
That’s homosexuality.
“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.”
~Leviticus 18:22
@@littlefishbigmountain Why would I want to read anything in any book compiled by men that promotes the death penalty?
Catholics and Protestants USED the words in that book to kill Jews ... and to kill each other as being heretics.
How utterly stupid are human BEASTS?
It's fortunate that at least non-human animals don't suffer from such stupidity.
Also they tried to rape men in Genesis 19
@@littlefishbigmountain You might find the following to be of interest.
For those members of clergy that are still preaching, but are now non-believers, and have been for some time, there is help at The Clergy Project. These people are ex-members of clergy and can help you to find a new way of life.
As have so many members of clergy in the past that faced the same dilemma and did not have others in which they felt they could confide, please do not do anything drastic.
For members of clergy to come out as non-believers, is extremely difficult, because those of you who do, might lose your only means of income, often you will lose your families, and those you thought were your friends. You will be shunned.
After being a non-believer for approximately five years, while still preaching, ex-pastor Mike Aus came out with his admittance on National television. If you go to UA-cam Mike Aus A Pastor’s Journey to Atheism Humanists of Houston, you will hear his responses to the many questions asked by those in the audience.
As will you, if you come out as non-believers, he had and has support from members of The Clergy Project.
Although it might seem that you are alone … as you will learn … you are far from being alone.
Excellent video and analysis: great job!
*_I love the step-by-step reasoning, but it does NOT go far enough!_* How is it that we have homosexuality rampant today, but no fire and brimstone raining down on San Francisco? The punishment did not *_CURE_* humanity of this sin. And you brought up a key fact which was not explored, here, deeply enough: the punishment of the Flood!
Genesis 6 says that the Flood was used because man was "wicked, violent and corrupt of flesh." And God was satisfied after the Flood that the punishment had done its work. Yet, man was never cured of wickedness, violence and "corruption of flesh" (whatever that means). Man was, however, cured of a very specific *_kind_* of wickedness and violence which he could never again do. And if you find the timeline in Genesis compatible with those of empirical evidence (science), you not only discover the *_Target of the Flood,_* but God's reason for the Flood!
And now, we have evidence that the Flood occurred at the exact same time that one other species *_went extinct!_* And that species was a competing group which was not quite Homo sapiens, but was found to be pleasing in the eyes of some so they took them as wives!
A comparable crime in the days of Lot would *_not_* be homosexuality (which is bad enough), but bestiality! And if bestiality had been done with such repetition that it produced offspring, then the future of civilization was in jeopardy! The future of spirituality and salvation were in jeopardy, for *_how can an animal hybrid, half-man and half-goat understand the need for anything spiritual?_*
References:
*_The Bible's Hidden Wisdom: God's Reason for Noah's Flood_* (hardcover, paperback, ebook)
*_The Logical Christian_* (hardcover)
It is curious that the definition in Ezekiel 16 is omitted. Especially since it begins with the words (in the NIV)....“‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom:..... "
Definition? Do you mean description? But yes, you’re right. It is odd. But of course that passage in Ezekiel refers to those sexual sins in Genesis 19 simply as abominations.
I worry about Lot's daughters! Why did he offer them when he knew what their intentions were?
Because men of the Bible were not perfect in their behavior. They did mistakes as well.
He knew the men weren’t interested in them anyways 😜
Same here-- No wonder they slept with him they had NO respect for him
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Do women sleep with men they have no respect for?
@@toddstevens9667 He offered them to a mixed sex crowd intent on molesting the angels in a lust-gorged voyeuristic orgy as the Hebrew male plural word often rendered into English as "men" is more correctly understood as "people" due to the chauvinistic grammar with "men" describing both sexes, as in "men of Galilee," "men of Jerusalem" and "sons of God" which all include females too. It even uses the word "PEOPLE" in the same verse (Genesis 19:4) where it says "PEOPLE from every quarter" (of the city). The "gay" assumption is due to male-oriented wording.
Read the verse by putting the Hebrew "people" in place of the English translators' rendering of "men" and see how the complexion of the story changes, including why Lot as a very last resort would even offer his two daughters to them to protect the Angelic Messangers of YAHWEH.
You are right that male homosexuals would most likely not be interested in being offered females, but this is not the case here or else it was just a hollow gesture. Rather it was more like the readiness to offer his only offspring up for the LORD's purposes just like the testing of Abraham in offering up Isaac ("Yitzhak") on Mount Moriah, where God stepped in and saved the situation just in the nick of time, just as He is now about to do for Lot, who is Isaac's cousin after all. In the end his daughters were spared, which is more than can be said for his backward-looking wife. The sins of Sodom were many, but in context, not excusively only male homosexuality, and even Jude ("Yehudah") only alludes to UNGODLINESS not homosexuality.
Presumption about this story has caused many doctrines and wonky teachings to appear.
Ezekiel makes mention of the pride in themselves that Sodom and Gomorrah had (I don't remember the precise verse, sorry). That pride can show itself in so many ways, whether in sexual sin, or theft, or drunkenness, or whatever. It can look different for each person or society.
In the case of S&G, their pride in themselves, thinking they could be god and define right and wrong for themselves, came out in the form of sexual immorality of all kinds. That could have been the breaking point for God, who decided that these men could no longer be allowed to live so they could sin greatly against Him.
All sin has its basis in pride, which is why Chesterton says pride is the worst sin there is. We must not mince words or beat around the bush when it comes to pride in ourselves, that we think we can make our own rules. The men of S&G thought they could do anything they wish, which expressed itself in this case in the pursuit of strange flesh and gross immorality. We should never apologize for what God says is right and wrong; if people are offended by this, that's not our problem, it's theirs.
Its the gateway sin
That’s a good explanation. Thanks.
Amen, you are right..the pride of life, the lust of the eyes and the lust of the flesh
Wow. The bible always interpretes itself. Expert interpretation not needed. This is as clear as crystal.
Judgement was already declared before the angels went. Trying to figure out what they did during the visit of the angels to deserve judgment doesn’t make sense.
I was thinking the same thing.
The apocryphy book of Jasher/Yasher provides much more details about wickedness of Sodom and Gamorah. 4x a year they had orgies swapping wives and children (usually godess worship). So, homosexuality and sexual sin was a part of it. There is stories on how evil they dealt with the poor, travelers, and how corrupt even their laws and justice system had become; it made me weep and thank God for destroying such cities!
I have never read those.
But if you said they swapped wives and daughters, they would just have another woman, what is homosexual with that? Genuine question
Yes, the cities' sin was homosexuality. Attempts to claim "inhospitality" as the reason, however, stem not from the men's behavior at Lot's door, but from the visitors' being left alone in the square. But, even at that, there was no inhospitality, since Lot showed them hospitality.
I wrote a piece on this some years ago and was very surprised to learn what I did when I was studying the bible on it. Today, I can say with CERTAINTY that the sin of homosexuality was only ONE of the MANY things that God destroyed the city of Sodom for and not just for that. Interestingly enough, when God himself was berating the city of Jerusalem for its evil ways (Ezekiel 16) he stated that Sodom her sister had not done (as bad) as Jerusalem had done; that Jerusalem had done more abominations than Sodom and that she (Sodom) was more righteous than Jerusalem (verses 48, 52). Even more interesting to note is that when God recounted the sins of Sodom and the reasons why he destroyed it their abominations were listed LAST (verses 49, 50).
It should interest us as well to note that Abraham did not ask God to spare the city of Sodom if he found ten HOLY people there but RIGHTEOUS. Many people confuse these two words believing they are one and the same but that is not the case. The people of Sodom for the most part were unholy and unrighteous to the point where there un-holiness and un-righteousness were overbearing to God and brought upon them his destruction.
@@aliciamcdonald7105 Maybe the sexual abominations were listed last to give it more weight, rather than less. Also, it may have been listed last simply because the Jewish audience would already have been quite familiar with the story in Genesis 19. I don’t think it means that it was the least important. After all, the sexual abominations were clearly the focus of the Genesis narrative. We cannot just discount that narrative.
@@toddstevens9667 SIr,-I am assuming here- I am not 'discounting' the narrative of Gen. 19, ." What I DID was CONCLUSIVELY show, based on what GOD HIMSELF said, that there was no ONE SIN for which Sodom, at least, was destroyed. I find it interesting that you read my ENTIRE comment-again I am assuming-and did not come away with ANY OF THAT except what I said about the sin of homosexuality (abomination) being listed LAST. You can make a meal out of that if you wish but it DOES NOT take away from the FACTS and all you have offered thus far is SPECULATION.
@@aliciamcdonald7105 Hi there! I did comment on your entire post because I agreed with it 😃 I think you made some very interesting and often overlooked points. It just struck me as I read it that maybe the fact that the “abominations” were mentioned last might have colored your outlook and given you the idea that they were the least important reason. But as I re-read your comment, I realize that that was just my impression and not something you actually said. Anyway, thanks for the response and have a very blessed day.
@@toddstevens9667 Thanks for re-reading my post, too many people just skim over other people’s comments and zero in on a point they wish to argue. Now indulge me if you will.
If Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed MAINLY for their homosexual ‘lifestyle’, why do you think God did not destroy or punish the men of Gibeah in ANYWAY for living the same way? That they were homosexuals was surely known by the rest of the tribe of Benjamin and were defended against even Judges 19 and 20.
Why do you think that after knowing about Gen.19 Israel on a whole did NOTHING against these men UNTIL they had practically raped a man’s wife to the point of death? Why it is that it was THIS they were punished for and not for a sin as grievous as homosexuality?
I look forward to your thoughts on this.
Really well answered. Thankyou.
Please look at Ezekiel 16:49. The first (and most basic) sin of Sodom was pride shown in economic injustice: "abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy". Cross-reference with passages like Mt. 25:31-46 and Lk. 10:25-37 to gain perspective on the place of justice and expression of God's heart in order to place judgment of others in perspective. As people we naturally lean towards judgment, but God calls us to mercy and expression of His love.
How do you know that Pride was the first and most basic sin of Sodom? It’s mentioned first in the list, but that doesn’t mean that it was the most basic sin. It’s just the first listed. The sexual sins that were recounted in Genesis 19 are mentioned last (abominations), but that does not mean that it was the least important. It might just mean that it was the most familiar to the Jewish audience from the Genesis narrative, and thus mentioned last. Also, since Ezekiel is drawing comparisons between Jerusalem and Sodom, maybe the list goes from the most prevalent common characteristics of the two cities, to the least common characteristics shared by them. Who knows? But I don’t think the point is for the reader to ignore the Genesis narrative and just focus on Pride and economic injustice. It’s adding to our knowledge of Sodom, not replacing the earlier narrative.
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Thanks for your thoughtful and thought provoking reply.
When I first posted, I was simply reading the text as it presented itself. Primacy and repetition are important aspects of interpreting any bit of written or spoken language. Pride is mentioned first and then also repeated in the next phrase "they were haughty (prideful) and committed abominations". These statements come very clearly in explanation of the opening statement, "This was the guilt of your sister Sodom". Everyone familiar with the story of Genesis 19 that you reference (including Ezekiel's listeners) would expect the explanation to be: Homosexual immorality. That is why this passage is so significant. It goes against expectation and is given for our greater understanding both of the nature of Sodom's sin and of the nature of God's heart. It does not say that the sexual immorality was not present or was not part of the picture in God's eyes, but it fills out the picture in ways that are particularly difficult for people who have abundance to receive.
In fact, that is what motivated me to make the original post. Everyone will jump on the issue of homosexuality or other sexual "abominations" -- either for or against. But there are other sins that are much more universal and present in our lives that were at least part of God's displeasure with this city. This is the social and economic justice that is part of His Kingdom that His people are to express. The absence of this kind of justice in Sodom was so displeasing to God that He brings it up here through the prophet. This passage clearly says this and yet few connect these dots -- most do not see the importance of justice to God's heart. Note that you automatically presume that "abominations" is talking about sexual sin when there are no indications in this passage to indicate that interpretation rather than the obvious connection of abominations to lack of regard for the poor and needy.
This is incredibly important as we consider the responsibilities that we have as believers to those around us who have such incredible need while so many of us have so much. Will we be like the Priest and Levite or like the Samaritan when we see need? We don't have to look far to find our chance to join with God's heart to share with and love those in need.
@@jimharlow5246 Excellent thoughts. And you are absolutely right. Thanks for the insightful and pleasant response 😀
Being Homosexual in itself is not a sin but acting on it is.There are many Christian homosexuals who lead chaste lives and except Sodomy as a rebellion against Gods law. Because of our fallen natures we are all prone to sin but we are to fight against sin.As Christians we are bound to try and correct sinners in order to save their Souls.Not an easy task in these immoral times.
True, temptation is not itself a sin. I don't make my temptations my identity though. There's a really interesting conversation on UA-cam between Becket Cook, Christopher Yuan, and Rosaria Butterfield about this. Thank God we have the Holy Spirit and God's Word!
I don't identify as an orientation anymore or wish to use the world's labels. I find comfort that my identity is in Christ and that I just want to live my life within His will, whether or not I ever marry a man or if I'm called to lifelong singleness.
Life isn't easy, but I'm grateful we have the Holy Spirit as our Comforter who leads us in sanctification until we go to be with the Lord. The world can be a very heavy, broken, and lonely place, but never feel like you are alone in the struggle. God bless you always!
It's kinda funny to hear such jaunty happy music underneath this story.
Like many diseases that include many symptoms; some mild ,some severe. Some of them you don’t care because they are “mild , others severe enough because you perceive injury ( pain or fever etc) so you look for help. The worse are when you feel nothing, initially you don’t feel a thing until is too late then the final” treatment “.Just as in the Roman Empire their arrogance and pride led them to a reprobate mind and futile thinking after rejecting the creator. Once you do that, the problem grow worse the signs and symptoms become so bad that the only ultimate treatment is judgment. You don’t practice homosexuality from one day to the other rather, a series of “symptoms “take place in your heart / mind and spirit far beyond your body until; you decide to do what is wrong in God’s eyes
💯 truth.
Christianity never gave any quarter, decency, nor consideration for people with quirky personality types who just desire to touch other people more than anything else in the world. This is what I can point to as being the great, intolerable contradictory mistake the church made in regards to how society viewed moral precedence. And people did indeed on numerous occasions use the lessons from Christianity as a lens to view vices.
Being kinky in any way was just thrown in there with all those vices then placated to names of these two cities sodom and gommorah.
For the millennia, the church and its influenced institutions conspired against civil and criminal law to suppress this instinct it saw in some people, going as far as to teach the lesson to everybody at a young age in order to showcase the dangerous effects of vice on a place of living. It carelessly put and placed blame on quirky personality types based entirely on this lesson of sodom and gommarah alone.
And i can tolerate vice in general. I can tolerate all the moral lessons on them. I hate alcohol and gambling i think they are damning to a person. It was millennia old lessons like THIS one THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, the lesson of fucking sodom and gommorah, that molded the systemic hatred and careless disregard in quirky personality type-people, from all walks of life, from political leaders down to inaudible proles for thousands of years. In direct accordance with the Old Testaments beliefs on Intergenerational justice, Ezekiel 18:20 “The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself."
Similarly, The way people view organizations is upon themselves, and the righteousness of their collective actions are self evident through stories and narratives. Faithfully, I will not inherit the distasteful and degenerate sins of a forcefully assimilating and cruelly illegal practice, nor will I indulge their pathetic attempts at seeking positive public opinion through pride flags. Any free thinking and positive minded Catholics would 100% want any remnants of these two cities dismantled and forgotten.
Personal, I’d like to destroy that remnants of the city myself and erase it completely from the course of history. It really would satisfy some sick symbolic desire to state through actions alone how most GenZ would fundamentally how I feel about Sodom and Gommorah when given ALL the information on it, not just the biblical perspective.
I reaaaaally really understand how symbolism works. I understand it very very well. God does not tolerate the filth of this earth that call themselves sodomites.
Being kinky ain't a sin as long it's in marriage and I've run across Christians who act as though being weird and goofy is a bad sin but in reality it's just a person with a fun personality
The church (the building!)imo
has done more to turn people away from Christ than anything else,
Corrupted to the core😤
@@tylersoto7465 Kinky was meant for a married couple!
Good job appreciate this discussion of Bible study. I am a Bible student , and yes you nailed it. The scripture is very simple for us to understand about certain subjects, like Sodom God intended for us to understand it as a lesson to learn about uncontrolled behavior
200 x
We have an abundance of uncontrolled behavior in our society
And doctors prescribe a medley of medications that don't actually work.
Medications work for some things, but not exactly for that.
And where does this uncontrolled behavior come from ??
Actually, he blew it big time. Too many flaws in logic and biblical understanding see my write up above. The issue is that we've heard this lie so often we accept it as truth, but the reality is far more wicked that we can imagine.
Everyone needs salvation here are the words of salvation please forgive me jesus im a sinner come into my heart and save me from my sin I no that you are the savior and I no that you died for me on calvary and I no that God raise you from the dead and you are alive and I thankyou for your salvation in Jesus holy name amen and its important to always ask for forgiveness everynite
Is this some sort of magic spell that you recite? Or what? You didn’t explain what any of that means and I have no idea.
If it's about homosexuality, why did Lot offer them his daughters? Why did they not say they were not interested in women?
Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, surfeit of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.They were haughty, and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them, when I saw it. - Ezekiel 16:49-50
Thank you for quoting both verses instead of splicing off the first one!
Witch is wrong
*which
@@pluguette ironically , _"witch"_ *IS* wrong...🤣
Hope Sodom and Gomorrah 2.0 happens soon
Who were the outcrys from if no one was saved but lot n his 2 daughters?
This is such a silly position to take. It's reductionist for starters, but it's also doesn't even bring in what the rest of the bible says about the "Sin of Sodom". You are inferring it had to do with homosexuality, but in Ezekiel we get the answer: "This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters had pride, excess of food, a prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty, and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them when I saw it." (Ezek 16: 49-50). The people of Sodom were engaged in rape and orgies long before the angels arrived. There is also a similar sounding story of a man and his concubine (Judges 19) who travel to Sodom and the men of the city demand that he be given to them to be raped, but instead he offers his concubine and SHE is raped and killed instead. The Sin of Sodom wasn't homosexuality, it was the horrible lifestyle full of pride, greed, and gang rape and orgies that condemned them. The gender of the two angels has nothing to do with it and it's a reductionist argument to say it was ALL because of homosexuality
This article breaks down the reasons why the destruction of Sodom has nothing to do with homosexuality. www.bibleandhomosexuality.org/what-has-sodom-got-to-do-with-homosexuality/
He's right.. now God is more angry.. because today it's more worse..he gonna do something again
Yes it does
Don't try 2 cover it up..
Sodomy refers to both Anal and Oral Sex. As mentioned in the Bible the Men and boys of the city wanted Lots guests to come out so they could have sex with them. The word ( sodomy) comes from Sodom, so it stands to reason. Homosexuality has much to do with it. if Homosexuality were not wrong the Bible would not condemn it as it does at 1 Corinthians 6:9 along with other things that will prevent persons from entering the kingdom of God are those who practice homosexuality as well as men who are kept for unnatural purposes. Both refer to homosexuality.
What do you think the "abominable things before me" referred to?
Hint - Leviticus 18:12 "thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination"
the women in sodom they were lesbians?
No straight
Only men weren't, because according to my religion Islam
Satan shapeshifted as a so so beautiful boy then he went to group of man and ordered them to fuc* him then how's homosexuality started
He doesn’t explain why the women were killed. Maybe Ezekiel 16: 49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.” It sounds like they might have done sex sins too but that is not made clear……what is made clear is that they were overfed, unconcerned and did not help the poor.
To think every person in those cities was worthy of death is ludicrious.