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@@gavomorg762 Regardless of him getting the technicalities wrong, you still don't put her name in quotations. Ahsoka is not a pseudonym, it's her name.
I agree. I guess it does leave a window of Ahsoka being able to “un-block it” but I’m hoping that she’s not made to be an actual force-wielder. She’s a Mandalorian and an extremely capable warrior without it.
This exactly. With force is female; the agenda, they can use this as their trump card to keep the infighting that's always happened in Mando culture going in a few different spectrums and also redeem some of the story telling that was a bit lacking in Mando season 3. And hopefully that'll be enough to keep Kathy from screwing stuff up. Favereau himself said Ahsoka is all Dave even though he has a ex. producer (and so would Kathy) credit on it. Dave himself says that he's gonna wrap all these shows up in one little neat crescendo with his movie and he can do so a few different ways. He could easily have her 'not be force sensitive' and then later on after the movie is done if it garners enough traction turn that switch right back on after the fact if they dont in fact inact it in this season. I think she is, I just dont know if they'll throw that switch yet. For example.., the Dark saber was like LEAD in Din's hands. Yet a smaller body and much physically weaker person like Sabine moved it much more easily. I may not be anything, but it could also mean ALOT. All that being said, I Just hope that the passing of Ray Stevenson didn't hurt the overall story arc. And I hate that he's Dead.
I think we'll have to wait and see, before the trailers I was wondering how Ashoka show it was going to be, I mean there can't be so much people with beskar spears, and whatever it looks on the Mandalorian, Ashoka was playing fair, no Force pushes or that she used the Force in any obvious way in her fight with the Magistrate, can the same happen for Sabine?...can be that Sabine was blocked and she's not anymore? And even if that's the case, would Ashoka train her? Cause she didn't want to train Grogu because of his attachment... Though Ashoka and Sabine are nothing but attached themselves
If u watched carefully rebels Sabine made a block to force in her mind to stop the wound. The wound started to heal once she returned to Mandalorians and it finally healed when Empire was defeated. That is when Ashoka steps in to search for Ezra and Sabine is ready to connect to force maybe not as strong as Ashoka, but enough to fight against other jedi or sith. That might be the explanation. Btw if you noticed in lore those who are connected to force strong but not enough to be trained to wield it in fact get highly proficient in use of some weapons or skills thanks to this connection so this might be an option.
I never got the impression that Kanan meant she is or could be a force wielder. He was just saying that the Force is within all living things less elegantly than Kenobi. When he says that she's blocked, I think he means she's simply too angry to accept his training. She's not focused. She's also arguably better using Ezra's light saber than with the dark saber, because she's conflicted and can't harness the power of the dark saber. That isn't a concern with a standard light saber.
Ppl often forgets that plenty more individuals in SW world are force sensitive, not just Jedi and Sith and i dont just mean other groups like witches of Dathomir. Some simply are never found and trained by any group and MANY more are force sensitive but their connection to force is just too weak, to be worth real training. Those weak ones could in theory learn to use force, but only thing they would do would be mostly useless party tricks, so why waste time on that. In those force connection often manifested as "passive skill" - they are often exceptional pilots, fighters and more. Unless they say diff. i consider Sabine 1 of those (weak ones) - in days of Clone Wars or before noone would train her as Jedi, but bec. Ahsoka is friend and they share some past she might tryed to teach her few things.
Well no one sensed leia was force sensitive, not even darth vader, until Luke did somehow and trained leia, the same thing with Finn and Rey, I mean everyone says he’s gonna be a Jedi but in the show no one sensed force sensitivity from Finn.
@@Phasma6969 then why tf didn’t he react at all, bro explain to me how Vader knew she was force sensitive and didn’t even do anything about it or even talk about it 👁️👄👁️
When Sabine touches the Darksaber in the meeting, the Force theme is heard. When she spares Gar Saxon's life it is heard again. And the Force theme they do not use it at random. Among other things when Sabine is freed by Zeb and Hera in the world between worlds episode, upon the latter's question as to where Ezra was, Sabine replies, "He's coming!" and there was nothing that could logically lead Sabine to infer that, it just seems like a typical Force user feeling. So one cannot say that in Rebels there is no evidence that Sabine is a force user, one can only say that Rebels leaves the door open to any interpretation. Especially since Kanan himself does not rule out that she could be a force user, he simply says that her mind is blocked.
@@futurestories2380 Or she she thinking she has her bracers that project a force like using the force that she was giving in Rebels? I wonder where those are?
I am all for Sabine being force sensitive. That means two things: 1. A Mandalorian Jedi and 2. A Mandalorian Jedi from the same lineage as Anakin Skywalker!
You’re a Jedi, Your’re a Jedi, everyone is a Jedi….nah it would be lame. Let her combine the swordsmanship of a Jedi with the martial skills of a Mando to be something as unique as her paint job.
@@Nostradevus1sure except there are literally like 7 living people who are force sensitive in this time line. Ahsoka, baylin, shin, grogu, luke, & baby kylo. other possibilities include cal kestis if he's still alive, & maybe jacen syndulla. thats about it. so adding one more force sensitive to that list is hardly "making everyone a jedi"
@@sakisaotome6753 Until they need more shows and they will keep adding more Jedi who "barely survived Order 66 and evaded Vader". At this point, with so many new people surviving, it's not really even a feat anymore. Apparently Vader and the inquisitors were bad at their jobs.
@@Nostradevus1 considering there were thousands even if there are 100 that's still >90% of all Jedi. And most of those who did survive are now dead due to old age. Of those who survived there are only 4 still alive ahsoka, baylin who has seemingly turned dark, the Inquisitor we see in the clips and maybe cal
Sabine wasn’t a force wielder originally. I’m sure she is just using the experience she gained from practicing with Kanan using the dark saber. She is badass and doesn’t need super powers, which makes her more awesome in my opinion. I hope they don’t change that.
After watching the series I have a theory. Jacen was able to channel the force through his mom, Hera, and she was able to sense Ahsoka and Anakin dueling in the world between worlds. So perhaps a secure connection between a gifted force user and a non-gifted one could help channel the force. Ahsoka and Sabine struggled to have a secure relationship based on mutual faith. Therefore the block remained, but as their relationship mended Sabine became more open to it. THEN Ezra’s reuniting with her probably just boosted that. And that’s when she was able to finally use the force.
@@SWPhoenixSquadronthe force doesnt work like that at all. Ahsoka taught Sabine to unblock herself. It took years of training but she did it. Ezra did nothing.
Kanan says to Hera (1:50) that "The Force resides in all living things but you have to be open to it, Sabine is blocked her mind is expressive and so tightly wound, she's so , Mandalorian." So if she comes unblocked maybe she could access the force and become a Jedi. Just a thought. Edit: Technically she is being trained as a Jedi and if she can access the force even a little, than she would be a force user. Sabine is being trained as a Jedi even though she does not use the force.
@@DarthQueefious Not everybody can be a Force user but anyone can learn the principles and become a Jedi. Just because you can't use the force does not mean you are useless to the Jedi order. You do not have to be a Force user to be a Jedi.
Sabine could find she does have force abilities but maybe she will have an ability that will work well with being a Mandalorian and not be able to do it all, only be able to use a little of the force, if she ever even gets unblocked.
This was addressed in an episode of Rebels. She is force sensitive but too Mandalorian to use it. Since she has Erza’s saner and is looking for him makes sense too use it.
Well, if you remember, the force creature that Canaan talked to...the Bendu, the one in the middle...when Sabine was emotional, as she walked away, he open his eye and looked at her. He felt something from her. I think she is force sensitive but doesn't believe she is or could be. The jedi sought out force users with a high midiclhorian count to train them in the light side. Easier and quicker that way. And too. Apparently Disney likes to awaken anyone the want and then their a force user.
knowing some notorious force users learn of their force sensitivity much later than usual (Darth Bane was a soldier of the Sith Empire when he learned about that, for example), i wouldn't be that weirded off... there was already some strange stuff about Sabine in Rebels
In season 3 episode 10 of Rebels, Kanan and Sabine were both possesed by the spirits of dead Night Sisters. It doesn't mean it definitely made her force sensitive, but they could always use that as an explanation as to why she might be attuned to the forece.
Finally someone else noticed this I thought I just crazy, like why would the nightsisters who drain force possess sabine if she didn't have some force sensitivity?
Filoni is all about small details that make sense later. When Kanan is training Sabine and Ezra is there, there are 3 convor (Moria) birds. Don't think Filoni didn't do that on purpose.
She is force attune like the monk guy in Rogue 1. She could feel it and see whats coming etc.. But can't use the force to move things or do things with it.
In legends Corran Horn is a jedi who is well trained in the force but can't use force energy (telekinesis) unless he drains force energy from elsewhere. If Sabine is force sensitive I would expect it's something like this. Hence the "you have no power in the trailer".
I seriously doubt Sabine is force-sensitive. Her training with Ahsoka is to upgrade her lightsaber forms and focus her mind and put a degree of control over her emotions. Akso, in the trailers we Sabine watching a holographic message from Ezra and IT IS NOT the same message that Ezra left for the whole Ghost crew. I believe that Ezra left this message behind ONLY for Sabine. What is clear from the message is that Ezra definitely wants Sabine to do SOMETHING and that SOMETHING, Ezra believes, is going to difficult for Sabine. But as he says in the message "I need you to see this through.". Two things I think he said in that message 1)Long held feelings for Sabine. and 2)A warning to Sabine that danger will be upon her again and she needs to be prepared. Hence, why he left his lightsaber behind for her to train with and why he wants her to train further with Ahsoka.
IF they go the Force-Sensitive route with Sabine…it will be a slow build up…I believe if she is the Force itself is hiding her presence for a reason unknown to us…her presence in the Force will be revealed when the time is right.
i dont imagine that if she is force sensitive she'd be hiding it. but look at both luke and leia they are both not only force sensitive but they are STRONG with the force and yet they had no clue until they were adults.
Kannan says the force is in everyone but you just have to get in tune with it so whatever she has besides her Mandalorian skills is just enhanced by jedi training that gives her the in tune she needs to be a total bad azzz!!!!!
In the episode in Dathomir when Kanan and Sabine get possessed by the witches' spirits, right after Ezra destroys the altar and gets rid of the spirits, Sabine comes back to meet Ezra and Kanan. As the three of them are leaving on the same direction, all of a sudden Sabine turns her head as if she were being called by the light sabre. It's interesting that the other two didn't care about it and just left it there on the ground, whereas Sabine went for it. Maybe Sabine hadn't even seen it and didn't realize she had wielded it while fighting Ezra as she was possessed.
I agree with most of this video, she wasn't training to be a jedi. It's to become more proficient with the lightsaber, clearly. One thing I have to disagree with is the theory about Shin's saber being Kanan's. Thrawn never received the saber, even the footage you used was of his hologram. That saber stayed with Price in the dome on Lothal, and was presumably destroyed. Remember, Thrawn was called to meet the Emperor after Hera's capture and during Kanan's death. Price called to inform him of what happened and he threatened her so & so when he gets back. He gets back mid rebel invasion of the dome, which blows up. The only interaction between the Chimera & the dome, aside from orbital bombardment, is the transfer of Ezra, unarmed.
Except Kanan almost says that she's force sensitive and that her being stuck in her ways and not letting go being a stubborn Mando is blocking her from tapping into the force. That's kinda counter intuitive to the content creator straight up saying that she's not. Multiple Jedi shut themselves off from the force in Star Wars lore in order not to be detected, so Sabine could easily be force sensitive and no one knows about it.
I don't think he was about to say that at all. He was just frustrated that she was so angry, she couldn't focus on his training. This is one of those, "fanboys focusing too hard on the tedium to try to make something out of nothing" issues.
@@Swearengen1980 No one suggested he was "about to say" she was force sensitive. The point is that he practically DID say it. You kind of have to stretch a bit to interpret it as him NOT saying she's force sensitive, because he literally says she is blocked. If the only reason she can't access the force is that she is "blocked" that is a pretty clear indicator that she is force sensitive. It isn't like he is saying she is physically blocked by her biology or spiritually blocked by some kind of mystical force.... he is literally saying she is so stubborn that she is blocked by herself.
@@Toumoriryuu Is English not your first language or do you just suck at reading comprehension? That is literally exactly what he said. "Except Kanan almost says that she's force sensitive...."
LOL, oh I'm sorry, I must be totally wrong. It is very clear in this instance that almost refers to something Kanan was going to say, since the OP is clearly a fortune teller and there is only one possible thing that almost can be used to indicate.@@Swearengen1980
@@sakisaotome6753Being usefully proficient does require so force sensitivity though. The trained jedi move extremely fast and need to be to block blaster shots. I found that Sabine fight in ahsoka a little ridiculous
@@adamdunne6645 i will give you that, but then in her defense she has seemingly not only not trained with lightsabers in years but i suspect she hasn't even kept up with her mandalorian training based on how she had packed away her suite under a table in back far from her view. If i were to speculate what she has been doing these last few years since she and ahsoka split is that she has been flying patrol with the Lothal guard. Her cloths in the first few episodes seem to suggest pilot and the fact that she is refered to not only as commander but that she knows the pilots pretty well. Also the one that speaks to her potter i believe goes by the designation Spectre 21. all of that said, during her fight with Kanan her learning curve was ridiculously high. she went from being laughable to standing over kanan blade ready to strike, and she did the latter half of their fight almost as if on autopilot as she was more caught up in her memories than the actual fight, hence why everyone there suddenly got on edge what she did stand over him sword high ready to strike.
In the New Hope, there wasn't any indication that the force can only be used by force sensitive. The way Obi Wan talks suggest that anyone with patience and training can access the force. As the lore developed over the decades, it was well established that only force sensitive can access the force. But seeing Sabine being able to use the force harkens back to the Obi Wan expository scene in New Hope.
So why can't Chirrut Imwe use the force? He's everthing a jedi is. Humble, patient, wise, stoic & most importantly, believes in and worships the Force. Yet he can't even lift a pebble.
I don't understand why so many people are crapping on the idea of Sabine being at least slightly Force Sensitive, similar to Han and Finn. She has shown signs of it from her very first introduction in her shot "Art Attack." The leaps should could make even without a jetpack, her skill with tech beyond weapons, her ability to fly almost as well as Hera, and even her art. Think about how a true artist follows their inspiration the same way a Jedi might follow the will of the Force. She might not have the 6k midi-count that the Jedi Order would have required for entrance into the Academy, but I'm pretty sure she'll still be able to use the Force to some extent once she opens her mind to it the same way she does with her art.
You forgot the Episode in SW Rebels „A World between Worlds“. She could understand the scripts, symbols and markings of the Jedi Temple more than everyone else to open the Gates. Even the Emperor could not.
She's technically related to Tarre Visla the Mandalorian Jedi. So it could explain how she has some connection to the force even though it's so far removed. Plus the force is in everything, it binds the galaxy together so technically everyone has it some can manipulate it in different ways as we see with the Jedi, Sith, Night sisters and beings like Bendu. And as she had Training from Jedi Knight Kanan Jarrus, Ezra and Ahsoka who was trained by Anakin I'm sure she'd be able to unlock her potential that was blocked due to her suppressed emotions. I drew the line when she didn't die from the blade lol. The actress is great but she and the direction didn't feel like she was the same Sabine from Rebels.
Ahsoka I think is so terrified of training another force sensitive being because of what happened to Anakin she doesn't want to be responsible for that happening again that hit too close to home for her, but she also has that need that all Jedi have to pass on what they have learned, Sabine is skilled enough to be close enough for her to train a great warrior and pass on what she has learned.
The one thing I'm confused on is how she has Ezra's lightsaber? At the end of the rebels, I'm sure he had it on the star destroyer with him when he vanished? He fought with it to get through the storm troopers.
If the villains in Ashoka have took Kanan’s lightsaber and bled the Kyber crystal that fucked up. - Ashoka and Sabine need to take it and purify it, then return it to Hera and Jacen
i dont know that those are bled lightsabers. likely the orange colors are being used to denote that they are anti-villians or dark jedi and distinguish them for the sith who do bleed their crystals to turn them red.
i dont know if its proof that sabine if force sensitive but the distance that girl can jump is really notable. perhaps its just the perspecitive but i have seen her make some pretty large jumps including at the end of her fight with kannan here. she kicks him of a high ledge and then casually jumps what looks like a pretty large jump and lands further than him. there was also a jump in the first episode of season 2 that looked like it was far longer than people are supposed to be able to long jump plus i believe she got quite a bit of height out of it as well. sure it could be nothing but i found it rather remarkable.
You included the clip showing that the force resides in all living things. It’s not that some people have it and some don’t. There is nothing to say that Sabine cannot eventually be a force user, she just has to learn how. Whether she does or doesn’t, we will find out.
You are wrong. Ezra told her to create a distraction while he went to meet thrawn, through the force. In season 3, kanan said she was blocked from using the force. Then she had several examples of using the force. She almost did a dooku on gar Saxon.
Yea I agree, it’s very likely this simple. I think they threw that line in the trailer so fans wouldn’t get too excited for something that wasn’t happening. If Sabine is force sensitive it’s kinda gratuitous and not in line with the story so far
actually they would have already had a saber fight before this point. in the trailors you see shin confronting sabine while she was long hair and her saber. the you have no power seems to take place in the dark forest where she if fighting sabine again and this time she has short hair. i have heard the theory that she says it because their first fight was so one sided (as it would have happened before ahsoka comes back and trains her for reals)
Kane says the forces is in all living things. The problem with Sabine is that she blocked and conflicted. Which keepers her from using the force. Ashoka may be working with her to over come her block and set the force free in her. The Jedi trained children when they were young and open to the force. Yoda rejected Luke at first because he was too old. Obie Wan convinced him otherwise. Sabine may be going down that same path. She needs to learn to let go.
Dude ,,i forgot how Sabine took down Gar saxon down and how she crossed both blades across his throat. Great calll back to ROTS and Anakin vs Dooku .All.we needed was "DEW IT" 😂
She def isn’t force sensitive but that doesn’t mean she can’t be a great lightsaber duelist. Also if anyone can train her to play to sabines strengths it’s Ahsoka best believe Ahsoka will encourage Sabines proficiency with tech and explosives. With good blade training from Ahsoka and her background I think she will be a great jedi duelist. Not unlike Jengo was proficient and beating jedi and also not being force sensitive. I’m excited to see Sabine learn from Ahsoka.
One thing I do not like about Sabine in the Ashoka series is the costuming. Why do we see her almost always wearing a bomber jacket instead of her Mandalorian armor? True, Hera has adopted Sabine like a daughter but at this point in the timeline Sabine has been reunited with both of her actual parents. She should be wearing her armor. She even points out to Ezra and the Ghost crew that despite her personalization of her armor it is over 500 years old and was worn by other warriors of her family before her. Costuming Department, you needed to get this right from the beginning and you dropped the ball!
I'm someone who hates rebels and am done with SW for the most part. But I completely agree Here. This actually is starting to feel like a natural progression of Jedi training. Something that has yet to be shown I feel. In the trailer at 1:40 Sabine does attempt to use the force. I find the idea of someone who is not gifted or talented to use the force being trained to use it is interesting.
Until further info, I am presuming she is Force Sensitive, but she is low strength - not strong enough that she would have been taken as a Jedi in Republic days. There is also the psychological blocks on top of that.
It's over than just lightsaber training, this part was accomplished, the trailers reveals that Snips tried to train her but that she left her, like she did for Anakin. Sabine may be more force sensitive that we think, just remember that The Bendu felt her when she isolates herself alter the argue with Ezra concerning Kanan's training.
The reality is that if Kathleen Kennedy tells Dave Filoni to make her force sensitive, she will be force sensitive. Why wouldn't Kanan have known? Lets not forget Vader came face to face with Leia and never had a clue. All I'm saying is its possible.
It's been 9 years, characters can, will, and should change. Otherwise, they'll just be boring. Her old arc, her family, her Mandalorian world is gone, destroyed by the Empire, so why should she continue to be a Mandalorian? What Dave is doing is basic storytelling 101, expanding a character in a new direction, giving them a new arc. He wanted Sabine to leave her old world behind and embrace a new one, one that she has connection to with Ezra, and one that Ahsoka will help her guide. Like this video title says, there were hints Dave's been planning this for her. Kanan straight up says that the Force is in her but it's blocked by her Mandalorian beliefs. She could hear voices when hypertunneling with the wolves. Perhaps the biggest one is at the end of the finale, when she narrates, "but I realize there was more to it. There was something else I was meant to do." We then see her go with Ahsoka as the Force theme plays. Throughout Ahsoka, Dave sets up a challenge for Sabine to overcome, and she finally does overcome it at the end. That's a good thing. Don't you want to see your beloved Sabine succeed at something new to her? I don't know why you don't want that. Wait...actually, I know exactly why you don't want her to become Force sensitive. To burrow a quote from Kanan Jarrus himself, "You're just pissed off that Dave Filoni gave fucking Force powers to a girl. That's it!"
If Sabine is Force-Sensitive then my biggest clue about her waking up earlier than the Ghost Crew after the two Holocrons exploding in the episode where Maul finds out that Obi-Wan is alive is true.
See, that conversation at 2mins, suggests she COULD be Force Sensitive IF she opened up more and unwound from her tightly-wound Mandalorian psyche. In KOTOR2; the only living member of the crew that you cannot awaken to The Force and turn into a Jedi is Mandalore. I watched part of another video insisting Mando's cannot be Force Sensitive. This is belied by the very existence of the Dark Saber; created by a Mandalorian Jedi. We've seen in canon and legend that many species believed to be incapable of using The Force in fact were; if only in very very rare cases. Wookiees have long been touted as NOT Force Sensitive; but in Clone Wars Ahsoka joins a band of padawans; including a Wookiee padawan, in finding THEIR lightsaber crystals.
Interesting point on Shin having a saber hilt same/similar to Kanan's. But, when Huyang looked at the sabers to determine their owners, it would have come up as Kanan's then. Not as an unknown one.
Yeah I took a screen shot of Shin’s and compared it to Kanan’s. The hilt guard is different, but everything else is very similar, so it might not be his.
the behind the scenes make it clear that ahsoka and sabine are master and apprentice. dave faloni literally says "i'm telling this story about this mentor/student relationship that passes from anakin to ahsoka to sabine" link here: ua-cam.com/video/btMQUq7kDuk/v-deo.html
She’s learning to wield the force, doesn’t mean she’s force sensitive she’s just beginning the very difficult journey to learn, the force flows through all things George Lucas has said anyone could learn but Jedi and Sith are the only ones who put their entire life’s toward its mastery and are naturally gifted on top of having decades of taught techniques you also have to be open to the force, but others can learn and we’ve seen a couple glimpses of a few of these look at the tusken raider visions, chirrut imwe’s force vision who have minor force abilities or the nightsisters who have vastly different connection to the force with time to master and their own decades of taught techniques, it takes many forms and anyone can learn given the right collection of factors, it’s kinda left field for Sabine to begin learning plot wise but the canon supports her ability to learn
Please don't make Sabine force sensitive. Why everyone have to be a Jedi or Sith to be more important? Just no please. Let Grogu be the Mandalorian Jedi. Let Sabine and Mando equal to a Jedi or Sith, but don't make any of them one of them. It would be crap. (imo)
Seeing how Professor huyang just said she had the lowest Force potential of ANY student he's seen inteh last 1,200 years, says she's getting combat training from a Jedi, not Jedi training.
It kinda buggs me when non force sensitives wield lightsabers, with a few exceptions. Grievous cause if he cut himself with it he could have repaired himself, mandarlorians cause of beskar so they’re more protected, maybe some other exceptions if well argumented. I always thought you’d need some level of force sensitivity to use a lightsaber cause it connects with you, energy flows through you, and using the force helps you not cut your own limbs. Like, I still can’t believe Disney had Finn fight proficiently with a lightsaber just like that.
I’m divided on whether I want Sabine to be force-sensitive or not. On one hand, we’d be getting a Mandalorian Jedi, which would be hella badass, cause on top of being a Jedi they are the best fighters on the galaxy and have all those extra tricks. If we can get a Mandalorian Jedi, that should be Sabine. There are things in rebels that are easy to use to retcon the fact that she never showed force sensitivity before. I mean, if it is well argumented, it can totally work. And no, it’s not like there are too many Jedis or that now everyone is a Jedi. This is Star Wars, it is literally about telling stories of force sensitive beings. On the other hand, it could go wrong if not well executed. But at the end of the day, Sabine is Dave’s character, he’ll know how to develop her arc. Also, if Ezra and Sabine end up together and both are Jedis that would open possibilities for so many cool stories.
Good question. She didn’t train Grogu because of his attachment to Din. But maybe she felt like Luke could? I’m not sure if she knew Luke at that point, but she was with him while he was training Grogu. And I really don’t think Sabine is force sensitive. At least not to any significant degree. It was probably safer for her train Sabine if it was just lightsaber combat.
@@SWPhoenixSquadron Ya, I agree that Sabin was not force-sensitive. In the very first episode, Ezra was able to pick up on Kanan's force aura, which was accompanied by a ringing sound from the Kyber Cystal Clone Wars episode "The Gathering". Kanan also felt it at that moment, which is why he allowed Ezra to come aboard the Ghost. He had to explain to Hera that Ezra was special. If Sabin was force-sensitive, Kanan would have known and trained her long ago. It's unclear why Sabine wanted to be trained or why Ahsoka wanted to train her. Sabine may have been more willing to ask Ahsoka for training, as she is smart and staying cooped up in Ezra's room would have driven her nuts. It would make sense for her to want more lightsaber training from Ahsoka. However, it appears that Sabine and Ahsoka had a falling out. Despite this, Sabine still jumped at the chance to work with Ahsoka again.
Ahsoka chose to train Sabine because Sabine isn't attuned to the force and isn't being trained to be a Jedi... only how to use a lightsaber. Ahsoka isn't a Jedi in name only, she embodies the epitome of a true Jedi more than anyone else but she doesn't want to be associated with them or bear that burden.
@@Engille967 You people take her saying "I'm no Jedi" way too literally. If I'm forklift certified, and do that as a primary job for 10 years, but then decide I want to be a carpenter and quit the job as being a forklift operator... that doesn't change the fact that I'm still forklift certified.
Shin does have Canons' light saber, with bled crystals. I think Sabine will kill her and take the saber, then maybe give it to Ezra when they find him. Or perhaps keep it and return Ezras' saber to him.
She's a Jedi? Why? Because she was trained by Ahsoka? Ahsoka isn't a Jedi. She never made it past Padawan rank so, even if she rejoined the Order (which she refused to do in the Book of Bobba Fett) she still wouldn't be qualified to train any new Jedi.
Sabine was born before the rise of the empire. Since the republic sent midichlorian counts to the Jedi, that would be held by either the republic the jedi or both. Which means the Empire has that info one way or another as well. IF she was force sensitive the Empire would know, and she would have been targeted since the Inquisitors KNEW she was with two Jedi already. Yet she wasn't why was that? They didn't target just force sensitives they targeted sources of Jedi knowledge as well. It doesn't make sense and it will take more than one line from an entire serious to prove a point. She isn't force sensitive. It is just bad writing from people who dont care about star wars.
Maul say Ezra on Malachor : "Ezra, you where given your gift (force) for one reason, to use it. Can i count on you ?" Then Ezra say to Sabine: I'm counting on you - three times. Once in a recorded message. He is simply repeating what he learned from Maul. And Ezra knows what Sabine's gift is. She is not a JEDI....She is the Mand'alor 🙂
I love Ahsoka and I Sabine, both are great Characters, probably the best 2 the Disney era Star wars has produced. I will give the Ahsoka show a chance... however baring a radioactive spider bite Sabine Wren is not Force Sensitive nor a Jedi. At a bear minimum Caleb Doom would have sensed it when he trained her with the dark saber, but he didn't. Caleb never sensed it, Erza who paid ALOT of attention to Sabine never sensed it.... how many more could I name? So that being said Sabine becoming a Jedi or just instantly becoming a force user will end this show for me! There is no way Disney could ever explain how some many force users could have interacted with her, and not 1 ever even hinted at her being even a little force sensitives.
that doesn't mean anything. darth vader tortured leia personally and he had no idea she was force sensitive. it wasn't until kenobi who knew their lineage decided to train luke that he discovered he had force powers. who then went to train under yoda that he discovered he has a sister who is also strong with the force. so if vader can't detect the force in his own daughter while torturing her for information, then why would shin be able to detect it? more likely she is saying this because they already fought (when she had long hair before ahsoka came back to train her) and she beat her easily.
I think she is wielding the lightsaber but not a Jedi or force weilder. She is just skilled and maybe follows a similar belief of “Ashoka”
Agreed
If you put her name in speech marks at least spell it correctly.
@@Engille967Grammar police are out..🚔For the record Speech marks or air quotes as someone people call them is what he used..These are brackets( ) .These speech marks"""" .Brackets (( ) 👍your welcome 😊
Agreed.
@@gavomorg762 Regardless of him getting the technicalities wrong, you still don't put her name in quotations. Ahsoka is not a pseudonym, it's her name.
The biggest clue is the fact that Ahsoka is teaching Sabine how to use the force. A jedi wouldn't waste their time doing this if it wasn't possible.
Finally someone gets it. This dummy seems to forget that the Force resides in ALL living things.
Kanan does say that she has the Force, because it is in all being, but she’s blocked. I didn't get the impression that her training undid that block.
I agree. I guess it does leave a window of Ahsoka being able to “un-block it” but I’m hoping that she’s not made to be an actual force-wielder. She’s a Mandalorian and an extremely capable warrior without it.
This exactly. With force is female; the agenda, they can use this as their trump card to keep the infighting that's always happened in Mando culture going in a few different spectrums and also redeem some of the story telling that was a bit lacking in Mando season 3. And hopefully that'll be enough to keep Kathy from screwing stuff up. Favereau himself said Ahsoka is all Dave even though he has a ex. producer (and so would Kathy) credit on it. Dave himself says that he's gonna wrap all these shows up in one little neat crescendo with his movie and he can do so a few different ways. He could easily have her 'not be force sensitive' and then later on after the movie is done if it garners enough traction turn that switch right back on after the fact if they dont in fact inact it in this season. I think she is, I just dont know if they'll throw that switch yet. For example.., the Dark saber was like LEAD in Din's hands. Yet a smaller body and much physically weaker person like Sabine moved it much more easily. I may not be anything, but it could also mean ALOT. All that being said, I Just hope that the passing of Ray Stevenson didn't hurt the overall story arc. And I hate that he's Dead.
I think we'll have to wait and see, before the trailers I was wondering how Ashoka show it was going to be, I mean there can't be so much people with beskar spears, and whatever it looks on the Mandalorian, Ashoka was playing fair, no Force pushes or that she used the Force in any obvious way in her fight with the Magistrate, can the same happen for Sabine?...can be that Sabine was blocked and she's not anymore? And even if that's the case, would Ashoka train her? Cause she didn't want to train Grogu because of his attachment... Though Ashoka and Sabine are nothing but attached themselves
If u watched carefully rebels Sabine made a block to force in her mind to stop the wound. The wound started to heal once she returned to Mandalorians and it finally healed when Empire was defeated. That is when Ashoka steps in to search for Ezra and Sabine is ready to connect to force maybe not as strong as Ashoka, but enough to fight against other jedi or sith. That might be the explanation.
Btw if you noticed in lore those who are connected to force strong but not enough to be trained to wield it in fact get highly proficient in use of some weapons or skills thanks to this connection so this might be an option.
I never got the impression that Kanan meant she is or could be a force wielder. He was just saying that the Force is within all living things less elegantly than Kenobi. When he says that she's blocked, I think he means she's simply too angry to accept his training. She's not focused. She's also arguably better using Ezra's light saber than with the dark saber, because she's conflicted and can't harness the power of the dark saber. That isn't a concern with a standard light saber.
I'm figuring that Sabine isn't Force Sensitive just like Kanan says she's learning to be proficient with the blade is all.
But why would Sabine need to become good with a lightsaber if she weren't force-sensitive?
Ppl often forgets that plenty more individuals in SW world are force sensitive, not just Jedi and Sith and i dont just mean other groups like witches of Dathomir. Some simply are never found and trained by any group and MANY more are force sensitive but their connection to force is just too weak, to be worth real training. Those weak ones could in theory learn to use force, but only thing they would do would be mostly useless party tricks, so why waste time on that. In those force connection often manifested as "passive skill" - they are often exceptional pilots, fighters and more. Unless they say diff. i consider Sabine 1 of those (weak ones) - in days of Clone Wars or before noone would train her as Jedi, but bec. Ahsoka is friend and they share some past she might tryed to teach her few things.
@@mar.s6516not fucking everyone needs to be force sensitive
Well no one sensed leia was force sensitive, not even darth vader, until Luke did somehow and trained leia, the same thing with Finn and Rey, I mean everyone says he’s gonna be a Jedi but in the show no one sensed force sensitivity from Finn.
Vader knew Leia was force sensitive
@@Phasma6969 then why tf didn’t he react at all, bro explain to me how Vader knew she was force sensitive and didn’t even do anything about it or even talk about it 👁️👄👁️
When Sabine touches the Darksaber in the meeting, the Force theme is heard. When she spares Gar Saxon's life it is heard again.
And the Force theme they do not use it at random. Among other things when Sabine is freed by Zeb and Hera in the world between worlds episode, upon the latter's question as to where Ezra was, Sabine replies, "He's coming!" and there was nothing that could logically lead Sabine to infer that, it just seems like a typical Force user feeling. So one cannot say that in Rebels there is no evidence that Sabine is a force user, one can only say that Rebels leaves the door open to any interpretation. Especially since Kanan himself does not rule out that she could be a force user, he simply says that her mind is blocked.
In the trailer she attempts to use the force. 1:40
@@futurestories2380 Or she she thinking she has her bracers that project a force like using the force that she was giving in Rebels? I wonder where those are?
@tomisham9900 Why would she think she has them on when she dosen’t? Don't worry I'm shire they forgot Sabine has those.
I am all for Sabine being force sensitive. That means two things: 1. A Mandalorian Jedi and 2. A Mandalorian Jedi from the same lineage as Anakin Skywalker!
You’re a Jedi, Your’re a Jedi, everyone is a Jedi….nah it would be lame. Let her combine the swordsmanship of a Jedi with the martial skills of a Mando to be something as unique as her paint job.
She’s doesn’t need to be a Jedi to wield a sword or fight a Jedi. Mandalorians did it for centuries fairly successfully.
@@Nostradevus1sure except there are literally like 7 living people who are force sensitive in this time line. Ahsoka, baylin, shin, grogu, luke, & baby kylo. other possibilities include cal kestis if he's still alive, & maybe jacen syndulla. thats about it. so adding one more force sensitive to that list is hardly "making everyone a jedi"
@@sakisaotome6753 Until they need more shows and they will keep adding more Jedi who "barely survived Order 66 and evaded Vader". At this point, with so many new people surviving, it's not really even a feat anymore. Apparently Vader and the inquisitors were bad at their jobs.
@@Nostradevus1 considering there were thousands even if there are 100 that's still >90% of all Jedi. And most of those who did survive are now dead due to old age. Of those who survived there are only 4 still alive ahsoka, baylin who has seemingly turned dark, the Inquisitor we see in the clips and maybe cal
Sabine wasn’t a force wielder originally. I’m sure she is just using the experience she gained from practicing with Kanan using the dark saber. She is badass and doesn’t need super powers, which makes her more awesome in my opinion. I hope they don’t change that.
After watching the series I have a theory.
Jacen was able to channel the force through his mom, Hera, and she was able to sense Ahsoka and Anakin dueling in the world between worlds. So perhaps a secure connection between a gifted force user and a non-gifted one could help channel the force.
Ahsoka and Sabine struggled to have a secure relationship based on mutual faith. Therefore the block remained, but as their relationship mended Sabine became more open to it.
THEN Ezra’s reuniting with her probably just boosted that. And that’s when she was able to finally use the force.
I like it 👊🏼
@@SWPhoenixSquadronthe force doesnt work like that at all. Ahsoka taught Sabine to unblock herself. It took years of training but she did it. Ezra did nothing.
Kanan says to Hera (1:50) that "The Force resides in all living things but you have to be open to it, Sabine is blocked her mind is expressive and so tightly wound, she's so , Mandalorian." So if she comes unblocked maybe she could access the force and become a Jedi. Just a thought. Edit: Technically she is being trained as a Jedi and if she can access the force even a little, than she would be a force user. Sabine is being trained as a Jedi even though she does not use the force.
I agree. Plus the essense of Star Wars is the jedi padawan. Dave filoni put she is blocked in there for a readon.
The new "everybody can be a Jedi/force user" crap is so dumb. Stupid "inclusive" BS
@@DarthQueefious ? This has nothing to do with your comment.
@@DarthQueefious Not everybody can be a Force user but anyone can learn the principles and become a Jedi. Just because you can't use the force does not mean you are useless to the Jedi order. You do not have to be a Force user to be a Jedi.
Sabine could find she does have force abilities but maybe she will have an ability that will work well with being a Mandalorian and not be able to do it all, only be able to use a little of the force, if she ever even gets unblocked.
This was addressed in an episode of Rebels. She is force sensitive but too Mandalorian to use it. Since she has Erza’s saner and is looking for him makes sense too use it.
Well, if you remember, the force creature that Canaan talked to...the Bendu, the one in the middle...when Sabine was emotional, as she walked away, he open his eye and looked at her. He felt something from her. I think she is force sensitive but doesn't believe she is or could be. The jedi sought out force users with a high midiclhorian count to train them in the light side. Easier and quicker that way. And too. Apparently Disney likes to awaken anyone the want and then their a force user.
knowing some notorious force users learn of their force sensitivity much later than usual (Darth Bane was a soldier of the Sith Empire when he learned about that, for example), i wouldn't be that weirded off... there was already some strange stuff about Sabine in Rebels
In season 3 episode 10 of Rebels, Kanan and Sabine were both possesed by the spirits of dead Night Sisters. It doesn't mean it definitely made her force sensitive, but they could always use that as an explanation as to why she might be attuned to the forece.
Finally someone else noticed this I thought I just crazy, like why would the nightsisters who drain force possess sabine if she didn't have some force sensitivity?
@@andreaskaniclides5167because they were attempting to possess anyone to gain back their physical forms?
Filoni is all about small details that make sense later. When Kanan is training Sabine and Ezra is there, there are 3 convor (Moria) birds. Don't think Filoni didn't do that on purpose.
She is force attune like the monk guy in Rogue 1. She could feel it and see whats coming etc.. But can't use the force to move things or do things with it.
In legends Corran Horn is a jedi who is well trained in the force but can't use force energy (telekinesis) unless he drains force energy from elsewhere.
If Sabine is force sensitive I would expect it's something like this. Hence the "you have no power in the trailer".
Chirrut!
Also Corran!
The monk kicked ass. He force infused his weapon.
I seriously doubt Sabine is force-sensitive. Her training with Ahsoka is to upgrade her lightsaber forms and focus her mind and put a degree of control over her emotions. Akso, in the trailers we Sabine watching a holographic message from Ezra and IT IS NOT the same message that Ezra left for the whole Ghost crew. I believe that Ezra left this message behind ONLY for Sabine. What is clear from the message is that Ezra definitely wants Sabine to do SOMETHING and that SOMETHING, Ezra believes, is going to difficult for Sabine. But as he says in the message "I need you to see this through.". Two things I think he said in that message 1)Long held feelings for Sabine. and 2)A warning to Sabine that danger will be upon her again and she needs to be prepared. Hence, why he left his lightsaber behind for her to train with and why he wants her to train further with Ahsoka.
“Wielding a lightsaber doesn’t make you a Jedi.” -Kanan Jarrus
IF they go the Force-Sensitive route with Sabine…it will be a slow build up…I believe if she is the Force itself is hiding her presence for a reason unknown to us…her presence in the Force will be revealed when the time is right.
Oh absolutely. I know Dave knows what he's doing.., it's not a coincidence.
Kind of what they did with Finn’s character in the Rise of Skywalker. Finn realized he was force sensitive.
i dont imagine that if she is force sensitive she'd be hiding it. but look at both luke and leia they are both not only force sensitive but they are STRONG with the force and yet they had no clue until they were adults.
Kannan says the force is in everyone but you just have to get in tune with it so whatever she has besides her Mandalorian skills is just enhanced by jedi training that gives her the in tune she needs to be a total bad azzz!!!!!
In the episode in Dathomir when Kanan and Sabine get possessed by the witches' spirits, right after Ezra destroys the altar and gets rid of the spirits, Sabine comes back to meet Ezra and Kanan. As the three of them are leaving on the same direction, all of a sudden Sabine turns her head as if she were being called by the light sabre. It's interesting that the other two didn't care about it and just left it there on the ground, whereas Sabine went for it. Maybe Sabine hadn't even seen it and didn't realize she had wielded it while fighting Ezra as she was possessed.
"Sabine is a JEDI? The CLUES Were Right In Front Of Us!"
Ah, no ..... there were no clues, this is just another Disney Princess Wars ReCon.
I agree with most of this video, she wasn't training to be a jedi. It's to become more proficient with the lightsaber, clearly. One thing I have to disagree with is the theory about Shin's saber being Kanan's. Thrawn never received the saber, even the footage you used was of his hologram. That saber stayed with Price in the dome on Lothal, and was presumably destroyed. Remember, Thrawn was called to meet the Emperor after Hera's capture and during Kanan's death. Price called to inform him of what happened and he threatened her so & so when he gets back. He gets back mid rebel invasion of the dome, which blows up. The only interaction between the Chimera & the dome, aside from orbital bombardment, is the transfer of Ezra, unarmed.
Good point!
Just because she can't use the force doesn't mean the force can't use her.
I think Rebels with Bendu and Rogue One with Chirrut suggest that the Force is sentient and does what it wants to do.
Except Kanan almost says that she's force sensitive and that her being stuck in her ways and not letting go being a stubborn Mando is blocking her from tapping into the force. That's kinda counter intuitive to the content creator straight up saying that she's not. Multiple Jedi shut themselves off from the force in Star Wars lore in order not to be detected, so Sabine could easily be force sensitive and no one knows about it.
I literally thought she was force sensitive ever since that episode. It's been years, she's older, maybe she is less tightly wound now.
I don't think he was about to say that at all. He was just frustrated that she was so angry, she couldn't focus on his training. This is one of those, "fanboys focusing too hard on the tedium to try to make something out of nothing" issues.
@@Swearengen1980 No one suggested he was "about to say" she was force sensitive. The point is that he practically DID say it. You kind of have to stretch a bit to interpret it as him NOT saying she's force sensitive, because he literally says she is blocked. If the only reason she can't access the force is that she is "blocked" that is a pretty clear indicator that she is force sensitive. It isn't like he is saying she is physically blocked by her biology or spiritually blocked by some kind of mystical force.... he is literally saying she is so stubborn that she is blocked by herself.
@@Toumoriryuu Is English not your first language or do you just suck at reading comprehension? That is literally exactly what he said. "Except Kanan almost says that she's force sensitive...."
LOL, oh I'm sorry, I must be totally wrong. It is very clear in this instance that almost refers to something Kanan was going to say, since the OP is clearly a fortune teller and there is only one possible thing that almost can be used to indicate.@@Swearengen1980
"The force is in all living beings" you played the quote.
the last thing ezra says ... to sabine. He said "the force will always be with you"
Ahsoka is not a Jedi, so she doesn't have to be a Jedi. She is still Ahsoka's apprentice.
Kanan just said everyone has the Force you just have to unlock it
Obviously she’s not a jedi. She was trained to use the dark saber so in turn she’s proficient with a lightsaber…
kannan trained to be proficient using a lightsaber that is not mutually exclusive to her being force sensitive.
@@sakisaotome6753 exactly
@@sakisaotome6753Being usefully proficient does require so force sensitivity though. The trained jedi move extremely fast and need to be to block blaster shots. I found that Sabine fight in ahsoka a little ridiculous
@@adamdunne6645 i will give you that, but then in her defense she has seemingly not only not trained with lightsabers in years but i suspect she hasn't even kept up with her mandalorian training based on how she had packed away her suite under a table in back far from her view. If i were to speculate what she has been doing these last few years since she and ahsoka split is that she has been flying patrol with the Lothal guard. Her cloths in the first few episodes seem to suggest pilot and the fact that she is refered to not only as commander but that she knows the pilots pretty well. Also the one that speaks to her potter i believe goes by the designation Spectre 21.
all of that said, during her fight with Kanan her learning curve was ridiculously high. she went from being laughable to standing over kanan blade ready to strike, and she did the latter half of their fight almost as if on autopilot as she was more caught up in her memories than the actual fight, hence why everyone there suddenly got on edge what she did stand over him sword high ready to strike.
In the New Hope, there wasn't any indication that the force can only be used by force sensitive. The way Obi Wan talks suggest that anyone with patience and training can access the force.
As the lore developed over the decades, it was well established that only force sensitive can access the force. But seeing Sabine being able to use the force harkens back to the Obi Wan expository scene in New Hope.
They never said only certain people could ever use it.
@@jonathancharron7360 true. But it's been established in the community for some time and even implied by some Star Wars media.
So why can't Chirrut Imwe use the force? He's everthing a jedi is. Humble, patient, wise, stoic & most importantly, believes in and worships the Force. Yet he can't even lift a pebble.
@@TheMrPeteChannel because he never trained
I don't understand why so many people are crapping on the idea of Sabine being at least slightly Force Sensitive, similar to Han and Finn. She has shown signs of it from her very first introduction in her shot "Art Attack." The leaps should could make even without a jetpack, her skill with tech beyond weapons, her ability to fly almost as well as Hera, and even her art. Think about how a true artist follows their inspiration the same way a Jedi might follow the will of the Force. She might not have the 6k midi-count that the Jedi Order would have required for entrance into the Academy, but I'm pretty sure she'll still be able to use the Force to some extent once she opens her mind to it the same way she does with her art.
You forgot the Episode in SW Rebels „A World between Worlds“. She could understand the scripts, symbols and markings of the Jedi Temple more than everyone else to open the Gates. Even the Emperor could not.
Force weilding maniacs?!!!😮 You STOLE that from ME! 😮😮😮
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She's technically related to Tarre Visla the Mandalorian Jedi. So it could explain how she has some connection to the force even though it's so far removed.
Plus the force is in everything, it binds the galaxy together so technically everyone has it some can manipulate it in different ways as we see with the Jedi, Sith, Night sisters and beings like Bendu.
And as she had Training from Jedi Knight Kanan Jarrus, Ezra and Ahsoka who was trained by Anakin I'm sure she'd be able to unlock her potential that was blocked due to her suppressed emotions.
I drew the line when she didn't die from the blade lol. The actress is great but she and the direction didn't feel like she was the same Sabine from Rebels.
Ahsoka I think is so terrified of training another force sensitive being because of what happened to Anakin she doesn't want to be responsible for that happening again that hit too close to home for her, but she also has that need that all Jedi have to pass on what they have learned, Sabine is skilled enough to be close enough for her to train a great warrior and pass on what she has learned.
He says she’s blocking it
I feel back for people who haven’t seen rebels and are going to watch Ahsoka
The one thing I'm confused on is how she has Ezra's lightsaber? At the end of the rebels, I'm sure he had it on the star destroyer with him when he vanished? He fought with it to get through the storm troopers.
Ep. 4 At the end of a fight between Shin and Sabine, Shin says “she has no power.”
If the villains in Ashoka have took Kanan’s lightsaber and bled the Kyber crystal that fucked up. - Ashoka and Sabine need to take it and purify it, then return it to Hera and Jacen
i dont know that those are bled lightsabers. likely the orange colors are being used to denote that they are anti-villians or dark jedi and distinguish them for the sith who do bleed their crystals to turn them red.
i dont know if its proof that sabine if force sensitive but the distance that girl can jump is really notable. perhaps its just the perspecitive but i have seen her make some pretty large jumps including at the end of her fight with kannan here. she kicks him of a high ledge and then casually jumps what looks like a pretty large jump and lands further than him. there was also a jump in the first episode of season 2 that looked like it was far longer than people are supposed to be able to long jump plus i believe she got quite a bit of height out of it as well. sure it could be nothing but i found it rather remarkable.
You included the clip showing that the force resides in all living things. It’s not that some people have it and some don’t. There is nothing to say that Sabine cannot eventually be a force user, she just has to learn how. Whether she does or doesn’t, we will find out.
george lucas actually said this in an interview from the time of empire strikes back.
The force is in everyone, some people are just more naturally connected to it, and able to use it.
Exactly! This is what I just put out in my most recent video 👊🏼
You are wrong. Ezra told her to create a distraction while he went to meet thrawn, through the force. In season 3, kanan said she was blocked from using the force. Then she had several examples of using the force. She almost did a dooku on gar Saxon.
The "you have no power" comment, I believe is when Sabine's opponent is surprised to find out she is using a lightsaber, but doesn't have the force.
Yea I agree, it’s very likely this simple. I think they threw that line in the trailer so fans wouldn’t get too excited for something that wasn’t happening. If Sabine is force sensitive it’s kinda gratuitous and not in line with the story so far
actually they would have already had a saber fight before this point. in the trailors you see shin confronting sabine while she was long hair and her saber. the you have no power seems to take place in the dark forest where she if fighting sabine again and this time she has short hair. i have heard the theory that she says it because their first fight was so one sided (as it would have happened before ahsoka comes back and trains her for reals)
Kane says the forces is in all living things. The problem with Sabine is that she blocked and conflicted. Which keepers her from using the force. Ashoka may be working with her to over come her block and set the force free in her. The Jedi trained children when they were young and open to the force. Yoda rejected Luke at first because he was too old. Obie Wan convinced him otherwise. Sabine may be going down that same path. She needs to learn to let go.
I don’t want her to be a force user but she and Ezra did open the world between worlds portal. Which requires force
I forgot she used that lightsaber before. INTERESTING.
SPOILER! SPOILER! SPOILER! After watching this weeks episode, they are trying to unblock her.
Dude ,,i forgot how Sabine took down Gar saxon down and how she crossed both blades across his throat. Great calll back to ROTS and
Anakin vs Dooku
.All.we needed was "DEW IT"
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Litterally just watched the Dark Saber episodes of Rebels last night as my wife and I get ready for Ahsoka.
She def isn’t force sensitive but that doesn’t mean she can’t be a great lightsaber duelist. Also if anyone can train her to play to sabines strengths it’s Ahsoka best believe Ahsoka will encourage Sabines proficiency with tech and explosives. With good blade training from Ahsoka and her background I think she will be a great jedi duelist. Not unlike Jengo was proficient and beating jedi and also not being force sensitive. I’m excited to see Sabine learn from Ahsoka.
Sabine in the live action series has some cake..
One thing I do not like about Sabine in the Ashoka series is the costuming. Why do we see her almost always wearing a bomber jacket instead of her Mandalorian armor? True, Hera has adopted Sabine like a daughter but at this point in the timeline Sabine has been reunited with both of her actual parents. She should be wearing her armor. She even points out to Ezra and the Ghost crew that despite her personalization of her armor it is over 500 years old and was worn by other warriors of her family before her. Costuming Department, you needed to get this right from the beginning and you dropped the ball!
Mandalore was bombed and her family died, don't you know remember that, probably that's why she gave up the armour.
I sorry this disappoints everyone. But filoni put the she is blocked in there for a reason. Plus the padawan is the essense of star wars.
I'm someone who hates rebels and am done with SW for the most part. But I completely agree Here.
This actually is starting to feel like a natural progression of Jedi training. Something that has yet to be shown I feel.
In the trailer at 1:40 Sabine does attempt to use the force. I find the idea of someone who is not gifted or talented to use the force being trained to use it is interesting.
Until further info, I am presuming she is Force Sensitive, but she is low strength - not strong enough that she would have been taken as a Jedi in Republic days. There is also the psychological blocks on top of that.
It's over than just lightsaber training, this part was accomplished, the trailers reveals that Snips tried to train her but that she left her, like she did for Anakin.
Sabine may be more force sensitive that we think, just remember that The Bendu felt her when she isolates herself alter the argue with Ezra concerning Kanan's training.
The reality is that if Kathleen Kennedy tells Dave Filoni to make her force sensitive, she will be force sensitive. Why wouldn't Kanan have known? Lets not forget Vader came face to face with Leia and never had a clue. All I'm saying is its possible.
yes is a jedi
Greetings from the future! You were wrong. She is force sensitive.
It's been 9 years, characters can, will, and should change. Otherwise, they'll just be boring. Her old arc, her family, her Mandalorian world is gone, destroyed by the Empire, so why should she continue to be a Mandalorian? What Dave is doing is basic storytelling 101, expanding a character in a new direction, giving them a new arc. He wanted Sabine to leave her old world behind and embrace a new one, one that she has connection to with Ezra, and one that Ahsoka will help her guide.
Like this video title says, there were hints Dave's been planning this for her. Kanan straight up says that the Force is in her but it's blocked by her Mandalorian beliefs. She could hear voices when hypertunneling with the wolves. Perhaps the biggest one is at the end of the finale, when she narrates, "but I realize there was more to it. There was something else I was meant to do." We then see her go with Ahsoka as the Force theme plays.
Throughout Ahsoka, Dave sets up a challenge for Sabine to overcome, and she finally does overcome it at the end. That's a good thing. Don't you want to see your beloved Sabine succeed at something new to her? I don't know why you don't want that. Wait...actually, I know exactly why you don't want her to become Force sensitive. To burrow a quote from Kanan Jarrus himself, "You're just pissed off that Dave Filoni gave fucking Force powers to a girl. That's it!"
If she was a real Mandalorian she would be fighting alongside (as of The Mandalorian season 4) Bo-Katan or The Children of The Watch.
@@TheMrPeteChannel she's no longer a mandalorian warrior. She's a Jedi, like her master before her
If Sabine is Force-Sensitive then my biggest clue about her waking up earlier than the Ghost Crew after the two Holocrons exploding in the episode where Maul finds out that Obi-Wan is alive is true.
a mandalorian and a jedi and a woman, that's too much power for one to wield alone
🤣 this good a good snort out of me lol
for Ahsoka tv series it should have been a cartoon style like the clown wars.
See, that conversation at 2mins, suggests she COULD be Force Sensitive IF she opened up more and unwound from her tightly-wound Mandalorian psyche. In KOTOR2; the only living member of the crew that you cannot awaken to The Force and turn into a Jedi is Mandalore. I watched part of another video insisting Mando's cannot be Force Sensitive. This is belied by the very existence of the Dark Saber; created by a Mandalorian Jedi. We've seen in canon and legend that many species believed to be incapable of using The Force in fact were; if only in very very rare cases. Wookiees have long been touted as NOT Force Sensitive; but in Clone Wars Ahsoka joins a band of padawans; including a Wookiee padawan, in finding THEIR lightsaber crystals.
Interesting point on Shin having a saber hilt same/similar to Kanan's. But, when Huyang looked at the sabers to determine their owners, it would have come up as Kanan's then. Not as an unknown one.
Yeah I took a screen shot of Shin’s and compared it to Kanan’s. The hilt guard is different, but everything else is very similar, so it might not be his.
All are Force sensitive according to what the Jedi preach. This isn't surprising. The Jedi teach that the Force is in all things.
as does apparently goerge lucas, who said something along the lines of that in an interview around the time of the empire strikes back.
@@sakisaotome6753 something that we can agree on.
Everyone else is freaking out with speculation, I just assumed she was being snarky.
the behind the scenes make it clear that ahsoka and sabine are master and apprentice. dave faloni literally says "i'm telling this story about this mentor/student relationship that passes from anakin to ahsoka to sabine"
link here:
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She isn't a Jedi. All the clues were in front of us during the Rebels series.
She literally is tho? Did you not watch it
I take Sabine has a jedi / Mando hybrid..
If Sabine is a Jedi, I'm a bowl of oatmeal.
Hi Bowl of oatmeal! 🤣
She’s learning to wield the force, doesn’t mean she’s force sensitive she’s just beginning the very difficult journey to learn, the force flows through all things George Lucas has said anyone could learn but Jedi and Sith are the only ones who put their entire life’s toward its mastery and are naturally gifted on top of having decades of taught techniques you also have to be open to the force, but others can learn and we’ve seen a couple glimpses of a few of these look at the tusken raider visions, chirrut imwe’s force vision who have minor force abilities or the nightsisters who have vastly different connection to the force with time to master and their own decades of taught techniques, it takes many forms and anyone can learn given the right collection of factors, it’s kinda left field for Sabine to begin learning plot wise but the canon supports her ability to learn
My latest video says this exact same thing.
@@SWPhoenixSquadron oh awesome I’ll check it out ! Curious to see if you include any examples I hadn’t thought of ! :D
Please don't make Sabine force sensitive. Why everyone have to be a Jedi or Sith to be more important? Just no please.
Let Grogu be the Mandalorian Jedi. Let Sabine and Mando equal to a Jedi or Sith, but don't make any of them one of them. It would be crap. (imo)
I agree. She’s well trained. She’s a Mandalorian. She trained with Kanan, Ezra and Ahsoka. She doesn’t need the force to be awesome.
grogu walked away from his training. he choose to be a mandalorian over being trained to be a jedi.
Great point buddy great video jogged my memory 👍
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Seeing how Professor huyang just said she had the lowest Force potential of ANY student he's seen inteh last 1,200 years, says she's getting combat training from a Jedi, not Jedi training.
she might have just some "dreams" or "bad/good feeling" about situations. that might be all of her force powers but hey it is force powers.
No it really wasn’t always there. More over There is a huge difference between a force sensitive and a Jedi.
We're all a little force sensitive
Being trained in the Arts doesn't make her a Jedi. She can learn the Lightsaber forms and that's pretty much it.
in one of the trailers shin says "you have no power" in the same scene they are fighting.
The Force is with her.
Why does Sabine need to be a Jedi? Why can't she just be a badass Mandalorian? What, now she's the next Revan?
It kinda buggs me when non force sensitives wield lightsabers, with a few exceptions. Grievous cause if he cut himself with it he could have repaired himself, mandarlorians cause of beskar so they’re more protected, maybe some other exceptions if well argumented. I always thought you’d need some level of force sensitivity to use a lightsaber cause it connects with you, energy flows through you, and using the force helps you not cut your own limbs. Like, I still can’t believe Disney had Finn fight proficiently with a lightsaber just like that.
I’m divided on whether I want Sabine to be force-sensitive or not. On one hand, we’d be getting a Mandalorian Jedi, which would be hella badass, cause on top of being a Jedi they are the best fighters on the galaxy and have all those extra tricks. If we can get a Mandalorian Jedi, that should be Sabine. There are things in rebels that are easy to use to retcon the fact that she never showed force sensitivity before. I mean, if it is well argumented, it can totally work. And no, it’s not like there are too many Jedis or that now everyone is a Jedi. This is Star Wars, it is literally about telling stories of force sensitive beings. On the other hand, it could go wrong if not well executed. But at the end of the day, Sabine is Dave’s character, he’ll know how to develop her arc. Also, if Ezra and Sabine end up together and both are Jedis that would open possibilities for so many cool stories.
I know her she trained at my class she a very good martial artist
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How Sabine uses with ease the darksaber compared to the Mandalorian who struggled with it is a day and night difference.
Gar Saxon and Pre Vizsla both used it with ease. Both were Mandalorian, and neither of them were force wielders.
@@SWPhoenixSquadronso did Bo Katan
Ahsoka isn’t a Jedi and Sabine isn’t one. But Sabine might be force sensitive. Why did Ahsoka train Sabine and not Grogu?
Good question. She didn’t train Grogu because of his attachment to Din. But maybe she felt like Luke could? I’m not sure if she knew Luke at that point, but she was with him while he was training Grogu. And I really don’t think Sabine is force sensitive. At least not to any significant degree. It was probably safer for her train Sabine if it was just lightsaber combat.
@@SWPhoenixSquadron Ya, I agree that Sabin was not force-sensitive. In the very first episode, Ezra was able to pick up on Kanan's force aura, which was accompanied by a ringing sound from the Kyber Cystal Clone Wars episode "The Gathering". Kanan also felt it at that moment, which is why he allowed Ezra to come aboard the Ghost. He had to explain to Hera that Ezra was special. If Sabin was force-sensitive, Kanan would have known and trained her long ago.
It's unclear why Sabine wanted to be trained or why Ahsoka wanted to train her. Sabine may have been more willing to ask Ahsoka for training, as she is smart and staying cooped up in Ezra's room would have driven her nuts. It would make sense for her to want more lightsaber training from Ahsoka. However, it appears that Sabine and Ahsoka had a falling out. Despite this, Sabine still jumped at the chance to work with Ahsoka again.
Ahsoka chose to train Sabine because Sabine isn't attuned to the force and isn't being trained to be a Jedi... only how to use a lightsaber. Ahsoka isn't a Jedi in name only, she embodies the epitome of a true Jedi more than anyone else but she doesn't want to be associated with them or bear that burden.
Bs, Ahsoka isn't a Jedim
@@Engille967 You people take her saying "I'm no Jedi" way too literally. If I'm forklift certified, and do that as a primary job for 10 years, but then decide I want to be a carpenter and quit the job as being a forklift operator... that doesn't change the fact that I'm still forklift certified.
after all she‘s done and you all refuse her opening to the Force
I guess you where wrong! She is force sensitive lol 😂
She'd better not have any Force Sensitivity, I'll be pissed because it's just not possible.
Shin does have Canons' light saber, with bled crystals. I think Sabine will kill her and take the saber, then maybe give it to Ezra when they find him. Or perhaps keep it and return Ezras' saber to him.
She's a Jedi? Why? Because she was trained by Ahsoka? Ahsoka isn't a Jedi. She never made it past Padawan rank so, even if she rejoined the Order (which she refused to do in the Book of Bobba Fett) she still wouldn't be qualified to train any new Jedi.
Kanan and Ezra both sensed that she wasn't force sensitive............It's not that hard to understand. I feel like this was a big push by Disney.
Yup, I don't wanna be that guy but unfortunately it smells like an agenda
Propably partially force sensitive.
Sabine was born before the rise of the empire. Since the republic sent midichlorian counts to the Jedi, that would be held by either the republic the jedi or both. Which means the Empire has that info one way or another as well. IF she was force sensitive the Empire would know, and she would have been targeted since the Inquisitors KNEW she was with two Jedi already. Yet she wasn't why was that? They didn't target just force sensitives they targeted sources of Jedi knowledge as well. It doesn't make sense and it will take more than one line from an entire serious to prove a point. She isn't force sensitive. It is just bad writing from people who dont care about star wars.
Maul say Ezra on Malachor :
"Ezra, you where given your gift (force) for one reason, to use it.
Can i count on you ?"
Then Ezra say to Sabine: I'm counting on you - three times.
Once in a recorded message.
He is simply repeating what he learned from Maul.
And Ezra knows what Sabine's gift is.
She is not a JEDI....She is the Mand'alor 🙂
I love Ahsoka and I Sabine, both are great Characters, probably the best 2 the Disney era Star wars has produced. I will give the Ahsoka show a chance... however baring a radioactive spider bite Sabine Wren is not Force Sensitive nor a Jedi. At a bear minimum Caleb Doom would have sensed it when he trained her with the dark saber, but he didn't. Caleb never sensed it, Erza who paid ALOT of attention to Sabine never sensed it.... how many more could I name? So that being said Sabine becoming a Jedi or just instantly becoming a force user will end this show for me! There is no way Disney could ever explain how some many force users could have interacted with her, and not 1 ever even hinted at her being even a little force sensitives.
She is a Mandalorian they love weapons so its only right that she trains with a lightsaber.
While fighting Sabine, Shin Hati says, 'You have no power'
that doesn't mean anything. darth vader tortured leia personally and he had no idea she was force sensitive. it wasn't until kenobi who knew their lineage decided to train luke that he discovered he had force powers. who then went to train under yoda that he discovered he has a sister who is also strong with the force. so if vader can't detect the force in his own daughter while torturing her for information, then why would shin be able to detect it? more likely she is saying this because they already fought (when she had long hair before ahsoka came back to train her) and she beat her easily.