Why Sabine Shouldn’t Have Powers
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2023
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When Sabine Wren gets her Force powers in the Ahsoka series, it raised a lot of questions about why she was so powerful all of the sudden?
"Massive force pushes, deflecting blaster bolts..."
"Do you even need to train to be a Jedi anymore?"
In this video we go in depth on why Sabine being instantly being good after getting her force powers doesn't make sense and why it makes being a Jedi less special. Now stop reading the description and watch the video so you can tell me what you think when you're done!
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Rey and Sabine have the same problem: they both act like they were from some fanfic and can do whatever the heck they want and not suffer any consequences
Marry Sues
Apparently male characters have to spend years and years to become skilled with the force, Anakin was literally the chosen one and after a decade of training he still lost to Dooku, Ezra wasnt very skilled at telekinesis at all in season 1, struggling to lift up a crate. Wheras Sabine and Rey can just skip the years of training and just pull force abilities out of nowhere with no hard work. Sabine force pushing Ezra that far, whilst also being quite far away was just ridiculous.
@@goldholzSabines not a mary sue because she fucks up so much in Ahsoka that it’s not even funny. the only thing that seems like it was forced was the force powers
@@Fridgemastersshe suffers no consequences though and is a full on jedi
@@Fridgemasters ah okay i dont watch this show because of the last thing
Sabine should have just been a mandolorian with a lightsaber, similar to how the dark saber is used. Her having a saber is cool, it’s another weapon in her arsenal (that she doesn’t use). However, her saber should be blue, and Ezra’s should be green, not the other way around
I kind of miss how Sabine was the explosives expert before, and now she doesnt use any of that.
@@AlphaAurorashe's explosively bad as a character
exactly! her having a green lightsaber and Ezra having blue makes zero sense, she should of given his back and he could build one for her
@@strawberryyvenus or she builds her own lightsaber with the parts in their ship
@@BuckledFrame2187 Yeah, using the super incredibly rare, hard to find kyber crystal that the Empire basically gorged themselves on to build 2 death stars that Ahsoka was hiding up her ass.
Yet another Disney story to modify:
Okay so Sabine never uses the force, instead using her cable to grab the saber
She gives Ezra her jet pack so he can make the jump
I think that mostly fixes it. Maybe she uses her shield to block blasters too
Forgot her jetpack existed. That would have come in handy so many times.
@@Starshineadmirer To be fair, she isn't wearing it in Ahsoka, so i guess the costume designers forgot too.
@Starshineadmirer Sabine just kinda, forgot she has a jetpack
They could have both made it over using the jetpack with Ezra's help.
tHeY fLy NoW?!
The show just took the easy option at every turn with the plot:
How can sabine fight a dark jedi -> make her one herself
What was Ahsoka doing during OT -> dont bring it up
What was Ezra doing on peridea for a decade -> apparently nothing
How did Thrawn awaken the great mothers -> dont mention it
What is Shin's backstory -> never brings it up
Why wasnt Huyang destroyed after order 66 -> dont mention it
Is Baylans motives good or bad -> dont mention it
So many questions were brought up in the show that dont get answered and alot of the answers we did get were unsatisfying. The fact Ezra has been doing nothing on peridea really irritates me, especially as the second he leaves the whole mortis god plot starts there. He should have has a purpose there, possibly a reason to not leave. It would have been cool if he was perhaps guarding something, possibly being Abeloth's jailer. A cool plot i would have done was that the great mothers were stranded on peridea by the Mortis God's, cursed to guard Abeloth's prison. When Thrawn arrived on peridea, he had captured Ezra (Ezra isnt defeating thousands of troopers without a saber). He found the great mothers who sensed Ezra and made a deal with Thrawn were they could pass on their burden to Ezra (Ezra still has an unpaid debt to nightsisters aswell) and Thrawn would help them leave the peridea and use his Ship to transport the caskets. This would also be a great way to explain why Thrawn never went after Ezra aswell.
Shin isn't a dark jedi
doesn't matter what ahsoka was doing during OT
Doesn't matter how Huyang survived Order 66
Shin's backstory is that Baylan trained her post-O66
Baylans motives are clearly gonna be explored further
Does it matter how Thrawn woke up the witches?
Ezra was living with the turtle people the whole time
all of these points are so irrelevant, if they showed all this the show would be the most BORINGGGG thing ever made. this is why fans don't write the stories.
be a Jedi, Not a gungan
@@arie-zoot the show was a plot hole filled mess that has ripped the fandom in half. I like my show to actually have some coherent plot that doesnt make a mess of what came before it.
Ezra just hanging out with crab people is stupid. He is a jedi, him going to peridea should have had more meaning behind it, a greater purpose than just defeating Thrawn. Ezra has even connected to the Mortis gods when he opened the WBWs, the fact he has no involvement in the plot about to happen on peridea doesn't make any sense considering he is the reason they are there in the first place.
This show seems more fanfiction like to me than an actual star wars show, giving Sabine insane powers with little to no training just for the hell of it.
They’ll explain it in s2 . Listen ya dragon butt kissers XD Wait for s2 a lot of shows and good ones wait till later seasons to answer questions. Plus the first season of a show is to establish the story then answers later, I mean dragon ball did that so did many. Even video games like the original Spyro trilogy. (Idk if the legend of Spyro trilogy did it also XD?)
@@Golems_wrath there isn't going be an s2.
Also, didn't someone at some point in the show say "You don't need the force to be a Jedi"?
Now that's something the *old* Jedi Council would disagree with. And *Ahsoka* left the Council, not believing in it anymore.
I think it's fine to call her a "forceless Jedi" (though it sounds weird), or just someone with *small* force abilities.
But just giving her the force... She feels like a completely different character.
She’s a descendant of Tarre Visla who was blocked by Ezra, once she found him that was the only thing blocking her from using it, it actually makes since for her to be force sensitive.
@@extrojan22that doesnt make sense in the slightest
@@extrojan22nice try, but no
@@luispalao7418 disagree even Baylon said it!
@@extrojan22 Being a descendant of Mandolorian Jedi ancestor that existed a long time ago /= force sensitive. She wasn’t force sensitive in rebels, it makes no sense that she’s force sensitive now. Nice try, though.
THANK YOU, I needed to hear this. The crazy thing is some critics when reviewing the show said this “that’s why all she can do is pull a lightsaber and push Ezra” As if it makes sense for grown woman who has spent most of her life without Jedi training and has what I thought to have little potential with the force.
People keep saying she has had a decade of training but it has been made clear that training was fruitless. Using the force for the first time (for a normal force sensitive) is a big deal and usually exhausting. When Ezra saved Zeb by pushing Kallus, Ezra was in shock having connected to the force for the first time, Hera had to get him back to the ghost as he was dazed, Ezra also struggled to use the force after that aswell, struggling to lift small items. Sabine just starts using the force like it was nothing.
@@janoslambert-cannon7146 Ezra already had the Force unlocked for him. All that he needed to learn was the discipline to utilize the abilities effectively. Sabine has been the exact opposite. Her low sensitivity means that she can learn the principles and ways, but until she unlocks the Force in her, then she will remain stuck.
Get it?
@@0axis771 Thats not how the force works. Its not like driving a car with obvious controls and clear instruction manuals. The only way to be able to learn is to feel it and build your connection to it overtime. Thats were the discipline comes in. Its not supposed to be like flipping a light switch and immediatly getting loads of powers. Take your condescending tone elsewhere bud.
@@janoslambert-cannon7146 No, they literally explained that those with Force sensitivity are strong in the Force for a reason. Because by subconsciously, they have been using the Force. Not to the same extent as a Jedi would, but they do use it. We see it with Ezra when he performed that leap to get the cargo into the Ghost. That was a straight up Force Jump. Opening the Holocene needs you to use the Force as well.
Even the literal babies were shown to be able to sense danger and fear and start panicking, because they are strong in the Force and are using it.
George Lucas literally compares using the Force to be similar to yoga.
So guess what? The Force works that way. And you can shove off with your elitist attitude.
I want to know mainly what brought up Ahsoka wanting to train Sabine in the first place to become a Jedi. Kanan would’ve sensed it if Sabine had the potential even if Sabine herself couldn’t find the force, and he’s basic as Lou almost at Ashoka’s level of Jedi training & experience yet he never truly felt in the force, besides knowing she was able to wield the Dark Saber which means nothing compared to the fact Gideon, Din, Bo Katan, Gar Saxon & Pre Viszla were able to use the darksaber without using the force.
It is worrying how these Disney shows are getting accepted by the brainless fans who just accept everything and call it "character development"
@@salvadorcantu7566It’s more worrisome that the fan base has grown more and more toxic that they have fragile conservative egos that get butthurt anything that challenges it.
@@salvadorcantu7566 "oh no they retconned x" - welcome to any long running franchise ever. If anything Disney made most of Star Wars a bit more coherent by cutting out the Expanded Universe, cause they was a complete bag of insanity
@@Warland3r written by a guy who has never read a book of EU
I see a lot of people on facebook groups saying that this is "the same" as when Luke in the wampa cave. The MAIN difference there was that Luke clearly closes his eyes and lets the force guide him (plus music) while sabine just tenses and stresses out then gets the lightsaber
Yeah, she is being choked out literally. Luke is suspended in the ice.
And Luke is a lot more force sensitive
...and shown to be a lot more successful with using force in ANH than Sabine has been the entire 7 episodes before.
@@PaiSAMSEN Sabine’s trained foe years and used it a grand total of 2 times in a do or die situation. Luke gets trained in minutes and was already doing good.
@@0axis771Confirmed force sensitive who needed to study journals for three years vs someone who in the years of training showed NO signs of force sensitivity despite training with an ex Jedi ....hm.
Sabine just makes me mad for some reason
thats how i feel about rey too
Same
Can we please stop defending lightsaber impaling. I get it if you lose a hand or foot but Jesus. The lightsaber is the most useless weapon ever. Why stab Sabine if she is just gonna be walking around next episode ready to fight with no lasting effects. It’s lazy
No, it isn’t. Sabine nearly died, and it was thanks to Ahsoka saving her that she survived. It shows that Sabine neglecting her training and also acting out had consequences. And unlike the stabs you and others whine about, Sabine’s impalement made the most sense for her survival. She was stabbed by the side, a non vital area and was found by Ahsoka immediately for treatment.
@@0axis771 so their useless. It’s a fucking lightsaber. She should be dead. Reva, Grand Inquisitor, Sabine. Christ it’s so pretentious
@@0axis771 "She was stabbed by the side, a non vital area"
Kidney, Intestines, Gallbladder, liver: Am i a joke to you?
@@smugplush Either missed or treated immediately thanks to Ahsoka. Far less vital then the chest where the heart and lungs are.
@@0axis771Qui gon Jin thinks differently 😂
Even Anakin, who apparently had a midiclorian count to rival Master Yoda, spent years training and wasn't at the level of Ray. Disney needs every main character to be a superhero, each outshining the one before. I'll take Mando's awkward attempts at welding the Dark Sabre any day.
He’s literally Jesus in the Star Wars universe. This is brought up constantly in universe but he still spent 50 years learning the ways of the force both light and dark. He deserved the power of conquering the galaxy and being the only sith to die peacefully with his family.
Because doing it this way. They dont need to think about the plot.
They can just write any problem they want, then give their characters any powers to get out of it.
Can't write yourself into a corner if you give your character's corner destroying laser beams
There's also the part where the whole end-game plot of Mando S3 was Moff Gideon having to clone himself, just to give himself force powers. So all he had to do was try hard enough, and he would've gotten force powers? Why all the trouble then?
Heck, even Ezra took a long time to reach out in the force.
The presence of midi-chlorians meant that there was now a biological path to achieving Force powers. In the same way one gets irradiated or activates the X gene. This is the logical conclusion to that road *Lucas* started in Episode I, and Disney now exploits so that the Force is simply no longer special, spiritual or interesting.
@neocomp92 the ability to make or manipulate midichlorians is a very, very dark force power as shown in the Plagueis book; in fact, it's so dark that upon discovering it, the Force punished Sidious & Plagueis by making Anakin to permanently end the Banite Sith line
@neocomp92
But that is not how the force works. Everyone has midichlorians, yes. That doesn't mean everyone can use them.
@@x6568tank Correction: the Banite line has not yet ended biologically; it still had Rey. Maybe from the point of Sith teachings. Incidentally, the Force really does not care about the collateral damage of millions dead across decades to met out its punishment for two people, huh?
@@neocomp92 The Force cares about balance; being able to manipulate midichlorians changes the balance, and so it must be corrected. Also, Rey, while being biologically a Palpatine, isn't a Banite Sith; that's a completely different thing.
To this day I'm still surprised to hear people saying that Kanan trained Sabine with the Force back in Rebels. All Kanan did was train her to fight with a lightsaber (there were like 7 forms of lightsaber combat, weren't there?). Remember, the Darksaber isn't just any lightsaber, somehow the mechanics of the blade was, "fight with it, not against it". At that time, Sabine's emotional baggage was her guilt when she betrayed her clan to join the Empire. On the Book of Boba Fett, Din's mind has always dwelled on Grogu since they separated. Even Paz Vizla, a muscular man, couldn't lift the darn blade above his waist when he challenged Mando. It's been based on the premise that you have to be mentally and psychologically prepared in order to wield the blade properly and with ease.
Sabine in the finale was like, block/deflect them blaster fire/force-grab her lightsaber/somehow push Ezra across a great height and distance/then somehow sense Anakin's force ghost? Watching the finale, all I could say was, "Disney just can't help themselves, can they?". She went from not being able to lift a cup, to somehow using the force like an experienced Jedi. Wouldn't her first force-push feel like bearing the entire weight of Ezra? Nah, she did it with ease because that how lazy their writing was. Her powers were rushed and unearned because it didn't have a build-up or backstory to begin with.
It would have been better to just establish Sabine to be a non-traditional Jedi, or maybe forget that, a warrior who had the skills to fight with a lightsaber without the ability to use the force. She's a Mandalorian, they literally have all the gadgets that they can use to defend (or at least fight against) a force-sensitive opponent.
Having the force as a convenient plot tool to move the story around makes me wonder about the characters who have been established to be a total badass without force sensitivity (Cad Bane, Jango Fett, Boba Fett). Sabine would have been a total badass too, but "the Force is Female" anyway so...
Couldnt agree more. Giving Sabine the force was just an easy way for Filoni to explain Sabine's ability to fight Shin, despite the fact she is a mandalorian who are known to create tech to combat jedi. Kannan defiantly wasnt suggesting Sabine could be a jedi, surely he would have trained her more if he thought she could. She was like a daughter to him, why would he not give her another way to protect herself if he thought she had potential?
Also the whole Luke door quote is stupid as Luke specifies it applys to people who can sense the force, which Sabine even said she couldnt and she didnt sense things in the force like Kannan's saber or holocron, nor could she feel a kyber crystal the size of a car, which Ezra described to be singing in the force.
The force amps people who finally reach there resolve
Pre book of boba fest boba fett but he’s still better than Sabine in this series
@@fionalombard5664 atleast he didnt pull force abilities out of his arse 🤣
Nah, this is way better. Filoni challenged the conservative mindset of people like you, who believe that one has to be born special to be powerful. Dave here wrote that one doesn’t need their birthright to dictate them. They can choose to train and grow to become powerful. Sabine awakening to the Force is proof that one doesn’t need to be Force sensitive to use the Force. It’s merely easier for them. Sabine spent the entire series believing that she couldn’t, but didn’t give her training. She kept trying. And when the moment came when she needed the Force, she finally unlocked her abilities.
Dave hinted Sabine to have the potential to be a Jedi not through Force sensitivity, but by how Sabine had the spirit of a Jedi throughout. And Ahsoka decided to train her, despite how Sabine didn’t have the talent.
100% agree with you, my gripes about the series are the same. Sabine was always cool as a mandalorian with explosives and hidden weapons and for her to suddenly be ahsoka's apprentice seemed less to do with what made sense for her character and more to do with wanting more female jedi in star wars, but it ultimately cheapens even the character this series is about.
Sabine is Rebels was an absolutely fantastic character with notable flaws and several intriguing characters arcs.
Ahsoka throws her personality traits and established characteristics out the window and makes her a bratty Mary Su.
Sabine is the opposite of Chirrut from Rogue One, and in the worst ways.
Chirrut was force sensitive, but not in the sense of the jedi. He understood that the force was everywhere, that it held weight within the galaxy, and the force willed what would happen. The force was not something he could manipulate, as he was not able to harness it, but he knew it was there, and allowed the force to guide him. There was no great reveal of him actually being a jedi, or that he wielded a lightsaber. He was just a blind man who let the force guide his actions and give him safety during moments of duress, such as his walk to the transmission control panel. He died still holding onto the force, even if he could not use it as a means of power.
Sabine was already handed a lightsaber in the past, and could wield one with some capability thanks to training within Rebels. However, her immediate connection to the force cheapens it. It makes it feel less like something that can be a guide, a means of power that has to be earned and be born with, and more like a tool. The force should not be something to grab onto and manipulate, but Sabine and many other Star Wars characters seem to do this. The force is less about faith to her and more of a new piece to her arsenal, which is a shame. She did not spend her life devoted to the machinations of the force, no train to harness her powers. It was merely handed over to her because it would be cinematic. The force has no 'will' in Ahsoka, because it is just a means of control.
Chirrut was such an interesting character to watch, because it showed that the force was truly everywhere, and not just where it was needed in order to push or pull things. A guiding hand. It was an ethereal energy. With Sabine though, it feels hollow and unearned.
Your comment makes no sense, force-sensitive beings are jedi and they can manipulate the force, that is the lore prior to Sabine not being force-sensitive and Ahsoka telling her that it's not needed as long as you put up the hard work.
Big agree, Sabine has become Rey 2.0! It feels like she entered the cheat code and suddenly had Yoda level powers! This is just another example of "The Force is Female" and this is ridiculous!
i know bro plus, if the force was female, how did it make anakin's mom pregnant . . . . .
@@tfcuber1925 lesbian force ghost! that's how america chavez got made - the power of ovaries can now magically create people without any male involvement!
@@tfcuber1925no 💀hahaha, lets just pretend that the "force is female" doesn't exist, the force is the force
Nah
More like Rey 1.5.
14:15 in my view Ahsoka was put off trying to train Grogu precisely _because_ of his high aptitude and potential with The Force. She was looking for an excuse to not train him, in the same way that Anakin’s cloudy future and fiery disposition made The Jedi Coucil reluctant to allow him to be trained.
Did someone steal Sabine’s armor, since Sabine had struggles she had failures and victories and now she’s doing this who ever has stolen Sabine’s armor please give it back
That ice age clip was so unexpected and made me laugh so much. Thank you for that 😂
Disney Starwars should be considered non canon at this point
It took three movies over a time span of and two three year gaps between each one for Luke to learn the ways of the force and that was through trial and error- but when it comes to Sabine she can use the force straightaway without years of training yeah there's a time Gap between Rebels and Ahsoka show but we don't know if Ahsoka was teaching Sabine at that time..
We do know that Ahsoka trained Sabine for a while. Sabine was shown to have had a bunk on Ahsoka's Jedi Shuttle with lots of graffiti/drawings on her bunk.
Rebels ended at about 0 BBY and the Ahsoka show was about 5 years after Return of the Jedi. Between Return of the Jedi and A New Hope there is 4 years. It took Luke four years.
The time gap between Rebels and Ahsoka was 9 to 10 years. The Ahsoka series takes place at about 9 ABY. Ezra and Thrawn were missing somewhere between 9 to 10 years (0 BBY to 9 ABY is ten years but could be 9 something depending on the month).
From what I can gather Ahsoka picked up Sabine most likely sometime after they liberated Lothal around 0 BBY. Sometime after the Purge of Mandalore in 4 to 5 ABY Ahsoka is for sure training Sabine. It is implied Sabine's training was taking place during the purge. Sometime after the purge Sabine and Ahsoka had a falling out.
Ahsoka could have been training Sabine for a few months or five plus years. Sabine for sure had years after Ahsoka stopped training her to keep training on her own.
The dialogue and storytelling of Ahsoka was just horrible. It's hard to know anything for sure.
@@dutchrjen That doesn't mean anything
@@DromusTHWHAT doesn't mean anything?
I like her being able to grab the saber but the force push was too much progression. I like her being just barely force sensitive and struggling to use it.
This is so true. Sabine has no powers but but then after eight episodes she is as good as ezar.
The best argument I've heard is that her innate force abilities explains her plot armor in Rebels. It was odd to see a teen Mandalorian fight better then veteran adult warriors. In the case of Chirrut, no that man was *highly* force sensitive. He was able to fight off a squad of troopers surrounding him better then jedi *masters* could in order 66. He could even shoot flying targets while blind. Chirrut was not a jedi, but was surprisingly powerful in his ability to sense with the force
At this point it’s just Filoni being too afraid to make his characters fail.
If they were going to go with Sabine being Force-sensitive, they should've made it more interesting and have her accidentally use the Dark Side. She's carrying a lot of emotional baggage with her parents' death and Ahsoka abandoning her, she doesn't have the emotionless discipline and stoicism of a Jedi, so why not show her using the Dark Side? Like say, have Shin and Baylan attack Sabine and Ezra, but before Baylan can kill Ezra, Sabine's fear of losing Ezra manifests into hate, and what was meant as a Force push to keep Baylan away from Ezra turns into a Force Lightning blast that blows him away, showing us why Yoda warned people against fear and hate back in the day. Mandalorians embrace passion and aggression, things that power the Dark Side. Would it not be natural for Sabine to embrace the Dark Side, then? Or accidentally use it, even if it's for one time?
You can’t just use force lightning by mistake, thats the same bs they pulled with Rey. I do understand your point though and agree overall, they should have made her use her emotions or at least just keep her as herself, a creative and expressive Mandalorian.
@@czarsalad101 The Dark Side comes easier than the Light. It would make perfect sense that an imbalanced Force user who is afraid of loss might accidentally use it.
Yes, this is another concept that should be explored further. The Jedi wouldn't normally train anyone after a certain age because of their emotional attachments that could more easily lead them to using the dark side. They even tease Grogu tapping into it when he was protective over Din.
@@HolyknightVader999the dark side itself yes, not an ancient sith technique that takes years to master such as Sith lightning.
@@AbstractM0useAsoka is no Jedi
Dave Filoni is no better a story teller then Jar-Jar Abrams!
No duh
He used to be, idk how you write rebels and then THIS
This vid made me subscribe. This is the problem that isn't understood by the current writers. It's the same problem Rey had and they have now ruined sabine. You do not need to have the force to be a cool and interesting character
They ruined her by making her force sensitive
@@user-kw6rh8xq2f I don't believe you actually care. If Sabine had been a dude, people would be all supportive.
@@VelaiciaCreator _"If Sabine had been a dude, people would be all supportive"_
Not if he just up and started using the force, after being established as a different type of character. All they need to do is establish she has a high midichlorian count and it will at least explain how she can use the force. Not a fan of this "everybody can use the force" concept.
@@AbstractM0use 15 years have passed since Rebels. She went to Ahsoka after Mandalore's purge. As for midichlorians, it has thoroughly been stated that your count just helps you along the journey, it is not THE journey. If we went off midichlorian count as the end all, be all.... Obi-wan would never have been Anakin's equal or superior on the battlefield. He was an average to below average Jedi there.
@@VelaiciaCreator A high midichlorian count is what determines a being's ability to use the force, and higher count does mean more powerful. (Well it used to, anyway) Anakin was technically more powerful than Sidious, Yoda and Obi-Wan but they were more experienced warriors and scholars. Even Anakin said there were things about the force they weren't telling him, holding him back. Obi-Wan defeated Anakin with experience, not power.
while i do appreciate how she had a whole character arc in the season and wasn’t perfect from the start like rey, that force push was just too much
I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility. Sabine had to make peace that this was the only chance to stop Thrawn. She was not going to make it but she sent Ezra home. She accomplished her mission and the force allowed her to tap into the maximum of her potential for a moment. I don’t think we will ever see her be particularly powerful but I think this was the pinnacle of her powers
@@johnhudecek5667 i like what you're smoking and i would love to get some
I dunno. I think it makes sense. Sabine has seen the Force push many times. Once she realized she could use it, and there was a do or die moment, she believed in herself and told Ezra. She thus did what they all did and thus the Force responded to her desire. It’s not like she used it constantly. It was cause that situation demanded it.
@@0axis771 "she believed in herself" there we go
@@aurum6664 "Trust yourself. Trust the Force."
Elitists: We'll pretend that was never said.
I think this is because of Dave Filloni. He just wants every character he is associated with to be the most OP, unkillable characters in Star Wars. I remember they literally went back in time in Rebels to save Ashoka. But the story just becomes like Mandalorian or the last season of Game of Thrones where it’s painfully obvious they should have died but the writers don’t care. They want them to just look cool in the lamest way.
I honestly had no idea she teleported a lightsabre. That is so ridiculous.
The people who say The Last Jedi is the worst Star Wars film probably haven't seen Rise of Skywalker.
@@AbstractM0useHonestly, ep 9 is at least funny to watch all the bullshit. Ep 8 is just boring.
@@AbstractM0usewell, who the hell watched episode 9 after episode 8? I still haven't seen it
@@leonrussell9607yeah that's because episode 9 never came out in the theaters!
@@AbstractM0use objectively yes rise of skywalker is worse but i have a special hate reserved only for the last jedi for what they did to Luke.
6:20 Disney would never have a man coming to the aid and rescuing a poor defenceless woman. If that were to happen, I could already hear the people calling Ezra a toxic male for feeling the need to help a woman defend herself.
I want a plot twist where everything Sabine did with the Force was actually Ezra and Ahsokas doing.
HAHAHAHAH AND THEN THEYRE LIKE APRIL FOOOOOOOLSSSS
I WOULD PAY GOOD MONEY TO SEE THAT
Or better yet. Something a little more intimate. Due to the spot on Sabine's neck, which was thought by many to be a hickey as well the romantic undertones presented in the Ahsoka series as well as the Three Loth Cats standing next ot Ezra and Sabine in the mural. Combined with Sabine's sudden use of the force, which baffled many fans as well by her descision to stay on Peridea for an unknown reason. I think i've managed to figure that her tapping as well her reason for staying with Ahsoka were due to one thing, her and Ezra's unborn child, which would likely be force sensetive, due to Ezra. It makes perfect since she was able to tap into the force cause it's not coming from her, but her and Ezra's child. All the time we questioned it, yet this theory seems to make sense.
Sabine has encouraged me to despite not having any medical experience or knowledge. I'm ready to do heart surgery.
Another thing is the cannon story of Luke Skywalker. He had passive force abilities his whole life which made him a good pilot, then he struggled to train as a jedi. In episode 5 he struggled to force pull the lightsaber to save himself on hoth, after some training and a few years of practice, and then sabine aces it first try immediatly after finding out she was force sensitive. And then in the sequals Luke was closed off to the force and struggled to use the force dispite having been one of the most powerful jedi of all time, Obi wan also struggled to use the force after only a few years in exile. But then disney decides to put sabine on the same level, if not slightly above, luke in empire. It's like disney's writers have never seen star wars and they're just mixing harry potter with sci fi.
Agreed
I totally agree she should’ve just barely been able to pull her lightsaber only at the last minute
I'm sorry her getting stabbed, even if not fatally or whatever they say, put a sour taste in my mouth. Maybe it's me but that lessens the impact of the saber
it's not you. it objectively does do that. I couldn't give too shits about a lightsaber fight anymore because there's no consequences. anyone who gets hurt, survives. if anyone even gets hurt.
it's so predictable when a character will die. Morgan was the easiest prediction, they basically tell you earlier in the episode. so why do I care that she's fighting Ahsoka? she's a nothing character anyway.
They could have had Shin knock Sabine out by throwing her against a wall or slashed her instead, only inflicting a flesh wound, instead they felt the need to Stab someone in the gut for 100th time and have them survive getting Vital organs pierced (also all the organs around the saber wound would have started boiling aswell)
@@janoslambert-cannon7146 it's almost like oh you don't like Reva getting stabbed in the gut twice and surviving? we'll do it again with sabine this time!
@@veeclash4157 that will keep the fans on their toes, doing the samething for the nth time. I really want a medical expert to explain the likely hood of being stabbed in the lower torso and surviving. What are the odds that out of the entire torso, that you get stabbed in a non lethal spot and miss all of your vital organs.
Disney logic - stabbed by space laser sword :
here have some medical attention, now walk it of, you are fine.
Gets grazed by space laser sword:
There is nothing we can do about it.
If the Mandalorian armor is made to fight force users, I would have LOVED to see her able to do that. Maybe she wields a lightsaber. I guess. But either way, it would have been good for her to use her Mando trix instead of find the force. Writing as I’m listening and sounds like we have the same notions.
Nah. That defeats the point. Ahsoka believed that Sabine, despite lacking the sensitivity to the Force, could learn to use it. By the end, Sabine was dying and put all her hopes into using the Force as Ahsoka trained her, and this succeeded.
It proves that what Ahsoka believed was correct. But people like you and others are conservatives. You believe that this shouldn’t work cause you built a belief that one should be born with power, not train to attain power.
@@0axis771 then that just defeats the point of "force sensitivity. Besides the show was mostly just lazy writing and the best parts were the clone wars and anakin
@@0axis771 It took three movies over a time span of and two three year gaps between each one for Luke to learn the ways of the force and that was through trial and error- but when it comes to Sabine she can use the force straightaway without years of training yeah there's a time Gap between Rebels and Ahsoka show but we don't know if Ahsoka was teaching Sabine at that time..
@@biqbicle4982 False. Sabine’s literally been training for years. Force sensitivity means having talent to use it at an early age and ease to open yourself. Sabine’s had years of Mandalorian training to be able to hone her physical skills, and then trained under Ahsoka for more years to hone her mind. Fact is, all you’re preaching is a conservative mindset where only those born with talent should ever attain power.
@@0axis771 True but she was barely able to move a cup and then she all of a sudden starts to force push ezra across a 15 - 20 meter gap and starts deflecting bullets all of a sudden. Like not sure if youve watched a new hope but the first time luke had to deflect bullets in the millenium falcom he failed miserably but with years of PROPER full focus training he mastered it. Now with ahsoka and sabine she is strong and badass physically but i would more like her to use her gadgets rather than the force. In the 4 seasons of rebels she didnt have to rely on the force. Instead she used here gadgets. Another good example is jango fett, boba fett. even mandalorian. MY point being she was mary sued just like rey in other words lazy writing
“When everyone is super, no one is” the incredibles villain
When I saw Sabine as one of the weakest force wielders I was actually thinking it be a wonderful idea, ESPECIALLY for a Mandelorian.
Here is someone who cannot just overpower their enemies with the force in some way. Here is someone who needs ingenuity, planning, knowledge of their opponents. Just imagine her fighting someone she knows will flaunt the force, so she tosses a bottle up at his face and he laughs as he holds out his hand to force-throw it back and that moment she uses to throw or shoot something else. Even it all it does is unbalance her opponent (say dodge/block juuust in time) it can give her the edge and keep them on the wrong foot.
And frankly thats what I want to see now. I want to see a Master who isn’t great who got the worst force sensitive they took on in years to train. I know too many people survive order 66 but most of them are at the heart of the conflict. These two could have been send to the edge of the conflict with a small contingent of clone troopers to some backwater of a backwater planet, where the apprentice is captured as his clones get mauled hard by the CIS as order 66 begins. Shortly afterwards all droids stop functioning and what living personnel they have sets the apprentice free as they say “the clones are killing all the Jedi too, fight with us”. And then yeah, clones try to shoot him on sight even when he asks them not to and eventually he finds the body of his master.
BAM. You have a far superior reason for them to survive, its a small contingent of clones that got its ass handed to it beforehand so the apprentice and remaining living CIS can actually get away from them. You then have a story to tell about the remnants of the CIS scrambling and failing to recover from the droid shut down, it was thousands of worlds that willingly supported it and must have had some capacity to build weapons and ships themselves. With a lost Jedi with little power who as time goes on finds himself hunted by people who could do more with the force in their sleep while the ground where he’s safe dwindles from “any planet aligned with the CIS” to “lets hope they don’t look too hard at this village in the middle of nowhere while we set up the first resistance groups”.
The writers for Ahsoka should’ve had Sabine use Blaster Rifles and/or Pistols alongside a SlugThrower against those Stormtroopers and had her wear her Jetpack to help Ezra get onto the Chimaera.
What writers? There were no writers, just 1 drunk idiot named Dave Feloni
Sabine having a slug thrower would be sick, Imagine Shin calling Sabine powerless and Sabine just pulls out a gun and shoots at Shin. Shin trys to deflect it but ends up getting nasty burns on her face from the molten metal.
The editing on that movie showcase was so well done, great job dude
good video dude i really agree with the stuff you say
my man can pass through time
@@elsastoes so true bro
Its lazy writing, Filoni picked the easiest option at every turn and barely explained anything. The show relied so much on offscreen events it felt like I had missed a whole season of rebels. One of the biggest problem the sequels had (other than Rey) was the changes they made to original characters like Luke (who went from a jedi master who would forgive Vader, to an old man who nearly killed his nephew in his sleep as he had a bad dream) and Han (went from redeemed smuggler and respected general, back to a smuggler and deadbeat dad). I have no clue why Filoni decided to do the exact same thing with Sabine
They should have kept Sabine as a normal Mandalorian who stands up to those with powers she does not posses, it would have been a greater testament to her bravery, skill and made her 100x more relatable. A normal human being in a conflict of force users and witches, trying to hold her own. It is also a far better message that you don't need to be special to be relevant in star wars, that anyone can stand up to the darkside, that Sabine was already enough as she was.
They also handled her relationship with Ahsoka awfully, why would we be invested in them repairing their friendship if we never saw them have one in the first place, in rebels Sabine didn't trust fulcrum and in season 2 she disliked the rift created by Ahsoka sending Kannan and Ezra on jedi missions without the rest of the crew.
It also completely takes away from her character and the importance of her friendship with Ezra. The two of them united two waring cultures in a way that had never been done before, Ezra and Sabine wouldn't hesitate to put their lives in the others hand, showing a trust between them no other jedi and mandalorian has had (Satine doesnt really count as she didnt follow mandalorian ideals and Ahsoka and Bo had a professional relationship). Now Sabine does that all by herself, quite poorly aswell as she will most likely start to fight less and less like a mandalorian overtime.
Sabine being a jedi also adds very little to the greater plot and makes alot of plot holes in Ahsoka and rebels. It has also completely torn the fans in half.
The whole story would have worked with Sabine being normal. It could have gone like:
Her and Ahsoka partner up during the OT as they both have a promise to Ezra and Ahsoka teaches Sabine how to wield his Saber like Dooku trained Grevious. When the purge of mandalore happened, sabine blamed herself as many mandalorians had the opinion that Bo Katan being gifted the darksaber cursed mandalore and it was Sabine who insisted she took it. Sabine either becomes obssessed with finding Ezra or protecting lothal (fearing it would suffer the same fate), no longer wearing her armour as she has failed her people. Ahsoka goes seperate ways from sabine as she believes she has a duty to the rest of the galaxy, not just Lothal or Ezra. Over the years Sabine fails to find Ezra and once Lothal is safe, she starts living a more civilian life like we saw her in episode 1. Then you can have pretty much the same story but instead of Sabine trying to use the force, we see her integrate more and more of her mandalorian fighting style into her lightsaber duels. I wouldnt even hate her keeping the Saber when she finds Ezra if she was skilled enough with it. Her whole arc could have been about becoming the warrior she once was, rediscovering herself. We could have even had scenes with Ahsoka reassuring Sabine that just because she doesnt have the force, doesnt make her weak or powerless (far better message in my opinion). Instead they are pushing the message that to be relevant in star wars and fight the darkside, you have to be a rare jedi.
15:51 I agree. It would have been more awesome to see Sabine excell slower, but also be a new and different sort of Force user at the end of the day (sort of like Chirrut Îmwe).
14:45 most certainly Baylan and Shin were *NOT* Sith. They were clearly something else. Baylan and Shin use the Dark Side as well as The Light Side as they feel it necessary or beneficial. It is really emblematic of Baylan’s relationship with The Force that he was on the outstretched arm of The Father, who represents a balance of The Dark and The Light.
Sabine is just overpowered and has a lot of plot armor. She can't use the force all season and then is able to push Ezra across the gap. I think Disney did the same thing with Rey/
She is
Except for the fact that Sabine actually trained with a Jedi
@@thechroniclegamer4285 That isnt how force training works. It takes time to build up strength and skill. Even if Ahsoka verbally explained how to use the force, without practice, Sabine shouldn't be able to pull off such a feat. Imagine you learnt all of the theory of driving a car but had never actually sat in one before, once you do get into a car for the first time, you would mostly likely struggle to find the right controls and stall many times, and you would certainly get flustered trying to remember who has right of way in a situation. Learning the theory and learning how to actually do something from experience are 2 very different things.
@@janoslambert-cannon7146 it’s established through dialogue that Sabine did spend time physically training with Ahsoka
@@thechroniclegamer4285 you missed the whole point of my comment. That was the first time Sabine connected with the force. Any training in the force she had in the past failed to give her a connection. Any knowledge she has would still be really difficult to actually apply for the first time without proper practise. Knowledge and experience are different things. In the past, jedi have always been shown to slowly build up their strength through practise. Just because a youngling made a ball float doesnt mean they can force throw someone many metres the moment after. The only exception is when a jedi in training accidently uses the darkside which is often called a shortcut by jedi.
10:56 we don’t know how long Sabine was Ahsoka’s padawan in the years after Rebels and before this show. She might have gained a higher level, but, after Ahsoka abandoned her she just backslid a lot.
This gives me a little bit of peace. They make a big deal about Sabine not being able to use the force, so it is unlikely that she did used it before, in that case they would be treating the subject like "you can do it again, reconect, open up again". But still, this is better than what they gave us so I will blindly believe this for my inner peace, thank you.
It's bad writing. Trying to defend it is silly.
I like how they forgot how hard it was for Ezra to learn the force. After thinking it would be a crappy kids show, it was so good. And one thing that was good was Ezra’s journey.
Would have been cool if it was secretly anakins force ghost who pushed sabines lightsaber over too her and then pushed Ezra onto the chimaera. We know he was able to appear on peridea, so why couldn't they have just used anakin. This show has a lot of plot holes, although not quite as bad as episode 9
Yes that is definitely what happens sabine is not ray
What plot holes let’s hear them. Every Star Wars thing ever has plot holes
Thats as stupid as Lukes ghost catching a lightsaber, and ghost Yoda fucking smiting a tree with lightning.
Force ghosts are not forces of nature, they should not be, that's dumb as hell! What's stopping Yoda from just going to palpy and sending a couple thousand megajoules up his rectum?
Rey trained with Luke and Leia in the sequels. Rey was surprised when she used force lightning. Force lightning existed before the sequels.
And? She is still a marry sue and bad written character
I think it’s just Disney making any female character overpowered, just because he can’t think of how to make female characters be good characters even though she was a good character in rebels actors could not continue it for whatever dumb reason I didn’t mind her, trying to learn to use the force, but it was too quick for her
You cant be serious when Luke and Anakin are the Star Wars main character lol
There's no Mary Sue bigger than them
@@gabrielrangel956 you forgot that ray it’s the biggest Mary Sue
“You know how in Rebels we had Sabine train to use her gadgets to compensate for her lack of force? Lets just give her the force
remember in the ROTJ after Luke returns to yoda after rescuing Han from Jabba, and Yoda said he STILL wasn't a jedi? After hoth dagobah cloud city AND Jabba, he STILL was not a jedi, but now Sabine pulls a lightsaber and shes a jedi?
I think sabine could use the force so easily at the end is because the planet they are on is strong with the force as it is the home to the gods of mortis I believe. Hopefully it explains it and when sabine gets back to her galaxy her powers will be far less.
Only way I can think they are able to fix this coz it is kind of ridiculous in my opinion how good she just got with the force.
I wish she had a lot more scenes of training and that we saw her training around when her parents died and that in episode 3 she fully realizes her connection to the force and opens up to it she would be better with a tails of the jedi episode showing how she has been training after Ezra was lost
This is a really well made video, covers the exact issues I couldn't put into words
I never want to hear Starkiller is too OP ever again
Yeah She unlocked her force powers way too fast. Also I would like it if Disney finally start treating lightsabers as laserswords. Instead of glowing sticks. That Zombie scene was a joke I was yelling at the screen You fools have Laserswords! Cut them up into tiny pieces! Wow just wow.
It’s Disney AND Dave filoni. He isn’t innocent here and will continue to make his characters overly powerful and important for god knows what reason. I think filonis’ cracks are starting to show.
I feel like the main reason why Rouge One was so successful was that chirrut didnt use the force in the same way as a jedi. He definitely used the force but it was different bc he was really force sensitive
I pray more people see this. I dont understand the praise of this show
The problem with Sabine is not that she was able to use the force or push Ezra across to the Star destroyer, we wave seen babies in clone wars and rebels use the force to make objects levitate as well as the fact that the Jedi had an Agricultural regiment as well for padawan rejects who still had force abilities like push and pull but where deemed “not worthy” of becoming a knight’s padawan for X reason. The real issue is that Sabine ONLY used her force abilities instead of using them in tandem with her mandalorian gadgets as well as her mind as we know she is very smart from her days at the imperial academy. She isn’t like Rey at all. Force push and pull are the most basic of force abilities in the Star Wars universe. Her pulling her lightsaber was fine but her pushing Ezra to the SD should have been a quick push and not her using the force to actually hold him up to it.
There is a deeper reason and the meaning behind all this.. We should not forget that there must be a Mandalorian Jedi - because the Darksaber was destroyed and only a new Jedi can make it and become Mand'alor by blade. And only way to make a new Darksaber is knowledge by Huyang. Information about which crystal exactly goes into the Darksaber and how it is made. And it happens to be next to Sabine. I wouldn't be surprised if he has parts for it in his drawers. Sabine is next Mand'alor. Sabine was and it is the rightful owner of the Darksaber. Anyone who doesn't see what Dave Filoni cooking here - since the Rebels series until now - is blind. And the haters will hate this meal to the point of pain.
This comment is true
What might add a level of interestingness to this is that, in season two (or whatever comes next) we’ll see her going back to struggling, that she opened herself up completely out of necessity l, and when the stakes are lower it goes back to being difficult.
I just hope they don't spend the next chapter trying to find a way to get back together again. We already did that in season 1. Surely they will get back eventually because they just need to find the star whales again, but I'm guessing in the meantime Sabine and Ahsoka will be dealing with whatever Baylan and Hati are up to while the home galaxy has to deal with Thrawn and the Witches.
I actually hope that is the case. Sabine frustrated how she only did it cause the situation demanded it, but now she has to learn how to do it at command. Just a little scene of it would be great.
10:11 part of the power of Order 66 was that the Clones were trusted allies and personal friends of the Jedi, so even the masters were taken completely by surprise. Even Yoda, who we know had prior knowledge of the clone’s betrayal, was pretty close to having been overwhelmed himself. We also see in Tales of the Jedi, that many of the Jedi were used to only fighting the remotes or basic battle droids, and even a couple of Droidekas were enough to overwhelm a Jedi master and his very skilled and advanced apprentice in The Phantom Menace. We know that Sabine already had super fast reflexes and really amazing gymnastic/parkour/fighting abilities prior, it could be that her level of ability was _already_ enhanced by her latent Force sensitivity (in the same way that Han Solo is hinted at having “have a bad feeling about this” along with his gun fighting and piloting skills, among other things).
Completely agree with this. She didn't need force powers. If they wanted to show that her force powers were suppressed and she finally discovered them, they should not have had her become so good at it quickly. It undermines the fact that Jedi go through years of training to get good at it.
Definitely seems like something KK would have mandated just like with Rey closing her eyes then preceding to overpower Kylo despite spending the entirety of the fight losing up until that point.
In some ways, it seems the Force was awake this whole time
Don't you mean the force is WOKE! By the power of OVARIES Sabine easily develops incredible force powers that it takes anyone with dangly bits YEARS and YEARS to develop!
Hear me out: Ezra charged up Sabine with his force powers (hence him punching) in advance so she could be more effective at defending blaster fire with her lightsaber.
Like every other drug, it's way more powerful the first time you try it so she has a lot of power right right away and can force-push Ezra onto the ship.
But now she's depleted and has a massive force-hangover followed by force-withdrawals so Season 2 is all about her begging Ashoka for a little force fix.
I was onboard with the Sabine training as long she didn't ended developed powers and just embrace who she always been.........a DAMN MANDALORIAN...........but no the force is FEMALE and disney and sadly the only hope left Dave Filoni resources to undone everything amazing about Sabine just to add ANOTHER FEMALE JEDI to the list....I will say the only defense is that....Sabine ACTUALLY STRUGGLES if you take she already failed before the show as is implied Ahsoka start training her for who knows how long before realize she was training for the wrong reasons and later in the 8 episodes the show last, that at least is a lot more time than REY, but still....once she used the force 1 time..........she unlocked MASTERY it seems. Sabine as you said was such a cool character, she didn't need the force, she was special in her OWN WAY............what is next, HERA WILL ALSO BECOME A JEDI? please Disney stop doing this.....the more I think in this show the more lower it get my ratting.....I can't believe DAVE FILONI who normally is the one that grounded his characters the MOST, now is making mary sues left and right...........is like the overlord Kennedy demands more female strong characters and they just OBEY......I really wanted to love the show but man this lower my exciting for any continuation or that Filoni film.
I didn't totally mind the Sabin Force user. However, they should have had a flash back to her training with Kanan Jaris and him telling her she is "blocked." Have Hu Yang make a comment to Ahsoka that Mandalorian Jedi's are rare because they have a hard time letting go due to their training, culture, and devotion to their ways. Then have her Force retrieve her light saber in a desparate moment. Fine. At least then it makes sense that she finally let go. But the Force push is a bridge too far. Overall, I liked the series (7/10), but at the same time I was disappointed. A missed opportunity. A lot of the issue was just how Filoni told the story. For example, why not begin Episode 1 with a flash back to the end of Rebels and show the audience how Ezra's sacrifice at the Battle of Lothal through connecting with the Purgills, etc.? You have Sabine looking on and him giving her his lightsaber. At least the casual viewer now understands why they are searching for Ezra. Yes, it reveals Ezra immediately, but so what if it tells the story better.
F NO
Persuasive response.
The "power block" has been going on thrice in Disney Star Wars. Seen it in Jedi Fallen Order and the Obi-Wan show. But one thing you could credit the previous two is that, once the block is lifted, both Jedi return to their previous power levels. Here with Sabine, she somehow could shove Ezra dozens of yards across despite no evidence that she did achieve that level of power "pre-block".
No, I'm not going to do the writing for Filoni, nor treat speculation as evidence. That is for the other fools to do so.
Awesome video man, great job! Actually I’m cool with Sabine being a Jedi. However it wasn’t handled very well in the show. It would’ve been better if we got one season showing her Jedi training(minus the drama. I think the tension between the two was really boring and unnecessary). Also I didn’t like Sabines altitude in Ahsoka. She acted really mature & cool in Rebels but The writers turned her into a very arrogant immature teenager(Who doesn’t get scolded for her foolish decisions) in Ahsoka. One more thing I think the reunion with Ezra was so bland. I mean I expected some tears of joy or some thing(Plus I thought they were building up a romance between the two).
I have officially been completely disillusioned with Filoni and Favreau
absolutely incredible video!
Sabines force ability needed to be slowly integrated and wouodve added more to the story line with ahsoka as a mentor but the writers or whom ever chose this is bs
Maybe the Force works differently on Peridea, giving someone like Sabine a boost. But I don't know, I guess we'll just have to wait and see how and why she is so powerful all of a sudden.
Then maybe they should set that up.
We don’t see Ezra and Ahsoka suddenly going super-sayan. Also if the planet boosted force powers then we would have expected Ezra to have done something more than sit around hermit crabs.
There wouldve been a line from ahsoka or ezra saying the force feels stronger here. 100% a force user would've felt that.
Dave Filoni making Sabine a Jedi is so funny because it’s like him just making his character being the ultimate character. “Well Sabine is a Mandalorian and a Jedi and she’s super cool and everyone likes her.”
Yeah ahaha there is some guy around here in the comment section who's excited about this so seriously and it's so funny
Everything you said in this video is the truth and really needed to be said by someone with the platform and means for people to actually understand and listen!!! There was stuff kinda left out. But I can figure why for the most part! Great video! And probably the first one of it’s kind that points out everything that other so called fans pretend that aren’t there so they don’t lose followers!!!
Too old…. Far too old to begin the training
Agreed, they ruined the character of Sabine and it seems like children are making all these episodes
She's a decendant of Tarre Vizsla, first jedi mando ever and the creator of the darksaber. It makes sense that she'd be force sensitive. I agree it was rushed but at least it sorta makes sense
since when was that a thing
That is not how it works
That's definitely not how that works
@blue-vr8dd Anakin and Luke, Kento Marek and Star Killer, Kanan and Jacen, Leia and Ben solo would you like me to keep going?
She's also been set up as a force sensitive in rebels, this isn't news or surprising if you've watched the show
Sabine's first force pull is close enough to Luke escaping the Wampa in Empire Strikes Back, with some major issues.
Sabine struggles in desperation, Luke calms his mind
Sabine has never had any training with Force powers at all, Luke has had the time between two movies to train off camera
Sabine has never had any powers and in fact comes from a world known for having no powers, Luke is the son of the Chosen One
This scene was another Holdo Maneuver, blatantly breaking with Star Wars canon
Because you don't need to train or acquire skills, you need to just BELIEVE IN YOURSELF or something
it's so dumb! the double standard is so obvious. if you're female you achieve everything with EASE including the FORCE cos Girlboss!
Wasnt really a fan of their choices either. But comparing sabine to rey seems a bit of a stretch. We know ahsoka trained sabine some time in the 10 years before this show. So saying she had zero training isnt true. True we dont know how much training she got. But she had some.
Training that apparently had no impact on her ability to use the force. She couldn't move the cup. It's Disney shifting away from "needing training" to "you just have to want it and trust the force." That gives them an "out" with Rey that they can claim. "She just wanted it badly enough and trusted in the force!"
This is the dumbest complaint about Ahsoka, Sabine has been hinted to be force sensitive since Rebels. And we already have plenty of only Mandalorian characters, why not have a Mandalorian Jedi that has never actually been seen in Star Wars, other than vague mentions?
There is no hint, you’re just making it up.
Truth, didn't even care to finish the vid, these manchildren just needed to come up with something to bitch about just like every other release.
Kanan litreally said she wasn't force sensitive the fuck are you smoking
oh hell yea im always down for some Ahsoka critique
11:24 The reason I dont give Darth Maul flak for coming back is because Vader himself survived being burnt alive due to the dark side. Even with his internal organs failing, he can even survive outside his suit (without life suport) for long periods of time with nothing but the force keeping him "alive". To be honest, its less "staying alive" and more "refusing to die". When Vader had his mask removed at the end of RotJ, he seemed to have died when he gave up his grasp on the dark side, when he finally let go of his hate and anger he could no longer sustain himself and perished. He was essentially a walking corpse stitched together with nothing but hate and anger towards his fate. Maul's wounds while would be fatal to a normal person might be far more survivable than you think for him. He was cut at the hips, meaning the majority of his vital organs would be intact. We see no blood when cut or when hes falling so the wound was more than likely cauterized, we've also seen Jedi be able to fall great heights and live, and when he got down there, he was able to make himself a hodgepodge of legs to at least be able to move around. His wounds seem far less than Vader's in comparison, so i dont feel like its too far fetched to think he could have survived. Especially when a character like Sion existed in the extended lore, the embodiment of this phenomenon i like to call "Force Zomberism". They were a literal walking corpse who is so lost in the dark, they have no idea who they even were, what their goal even was, just that they needed to do what the dark drove them to do. They just could not die, and were a slave to the dark side for many years. The only way the Exile was able to beat him was to convince Sion there was no reason for them to go on, and once they let go, they collapsed to the ground, no longer animated by the ties that bound them. I like the idea in concept, but Disney has NO idea how to use it
There have been MANY hints up until now that she was Force-Sensitive, even in Rebels.
man the inconsistencies are sending me. I didn't even realize until now that Morgan Elsbeth was literally grazed and died and I'm under the impression that she's a witch with powers, assuming she's been a witch for a long time, and sabine hadn't even used the force until 8 episodes later. What a load of baloney
It was a mistake.. like you've said, she was well established as a kicking ass mandalorian warrior, full of treats with explosives and gadgets in general, a great engineer side and the artist thing.. amazing character who went through a lot of struggles to get where she eventually arrived.. all this jedi thing with her is out of place, if anything spoiled her character..
Sabine is descended from Tarre Vizla the Mandalorian Jedi who built the dark saber, just like Rey is decended from Emperoe Palpatine. The force is born in them. They just needed that break-through moment to realize they had abilities.
Ahahah how could I not thought about it before! It makes so much sense ahaha
Yea I wish they just had Ahsoka and Sabine teamup to try and stop Thrawn from returning, as well as finding Ezra, and leave it at that. Also in the Mandalorian S2, Ahsoka refused to train Grogu because he was attached to Din, but In Ahsoka, she has no problem training Sabine despite her clearly being attached to Ezra? So not only does it seem out of character for Ahsoka to train her, but it also seems out of character for Sabine to even want to be a Jedi. We get no insight as to why she does, were just kinda told this is what she wants to be now. It was all strange for me.
People have seemed to have forgotten why everyone doesn't use lightsabers instead of blasters.
it was like Sara Lance in CW's Legends of Tomorrow. she went from a cool character with a good backstory and relationship with her respective team to a Mary Sue
I think it would have been better if Sabine was cut on her leg, so she couldn't stand and not stabbed in the stomach, she could later use her grappling hook to grab the lightsaber instead of the force, cementing the idea that she doesn't need to be a Jedi, just the best version of herself, and when Ezra attempts the jump, she gives him, her vambrace with her grappling hook, so he can go home, while she stays behind with Ahsoka.
I agree with everything you said, I lost my mind when she force grab her saber. Then no one was talking about it in reviews. Hera and ezra shouldve hugged in the end.
in all fairness they do say ahsoka trained her off screen before, so maybe she learnt how to deflect the blaster bolts then. She probably knew how to use the force in theory, just not in practice.
With Sabine, I could accept that she got the light sabre, but the push of enra was too much.
While I completely agree with what you have to say in Disney once again making an OP character with no character arc, there is a real world example that explain what happens. This being the 4-minute mile. The 4 minute mile used to be seen as an impossible or at the very least extremely difficult standard to beat, however once the first person did it, suddenly everyone saw that it was possible, and now today, the 4 minute mile is seen as the standard to hit for professional middle distance running. Once one person did it and showed everyone it is possible, it removed that mental block in everyone else's heads.
The same thing happened with Sabine. She was closed off, however in the face of death and in her time off greatest need, she broke through her block and found herself to actually be able to use the force. Once she saw that she was actually cable of being able to use it, she was able to use her new found confidence to boost Ezra. (Again, I agree that her sudden proficiency with force is too fast)
That is at least my take. I am curious what others think.
The reason Ahsoka even trained her in the first place was probably because she could sense the Force Enhancing her.
In other words, her creativity all along was the force giving her a Heightened Sense of Thoughts that flow more fluidly than others.
This goes for how good her aim in the shows is, she has Force Insight the first power she truly does have.
Not all Force Weilders Start with Telekinesis