I own a 99 civic si and i am having this same issue. I've replaced my speed sensor 4 times. Triple Checked my wiring to the speed sensor. Bought a brand new whole speedo guage from the dealership. And I'm still having issues. The needle jumps all over and confuses the ecu so vtec doesn't engage. It starts working until later in the trip. Maybe my brand new Guage was bad? 🤷♂️ I'm literally at a road block and don't know what else to check?
Man that's rough but I think I have an idea of some things to check. 1. make sure your speed sensor is for your manual transmission. (I know this is self explanatory but when I was starting out I used a manual speed sensor on an auto and it didn't work right until I got one that was from an automatic.) 2. There was a Honda service bulletin in 2000 (#99-029) that was about a part of the engine wire harness rubbing on the intake manifold bracket. This applied to all Civic models 1996-1999. You may want to check out the harness, there could be some wiring in the harness that runs from the speed sensor plug that's shorting out somewhere or a break in wire. The other day while prepping my 2000 EX for transmission removal I had an option connector that vibrated and tucked itsself off behind the rear engine bracket. It was stuck and took me a while to find a way to get it out. Had to take the bracket off. I have no idea how it made its way in there. I would think that your issue would be in the harness somewhere. Also check your grounds as well. Keep me posted and I'll try to help as much as I can.
@@foxisretrofitting4556 so my engine has been swapped with a jdm b18c out of a Civic SiR. I'm assuming they used the original engine harness. It does look a bit old. I've been avoiding taking the whole harness out but I may have too. I checked and cleaned thermostat ground. And also know for sure the speed sensor is for a manual transmission. However I replaced it with an O'Reilly's part. Maybe I'll have to break down and buy a factory honda one? But there like 300 dollars roughly.
@@lafollettegarage4019 Believe it or not I've had good luck with ebay sensors. I get alot of stuff from tomautoparts. The sensor for our '98 automatic b4ra (78410-S04-951) is 8 dollars from them and it's been going since I put it in in early 2019. May want to check their store page and see if they have a sensor for your transmission. I'd break down and check the harness first. No need to throw money at it yet considering if it is actually wiring it could harm your new sensors.
@@foxisretrofitting4556 just giving you an update on my Speedometer issue. I ended up tearing out the entire engine wire harness and I stripped all the loom off and inspected every square inch of it. And I found two capped off plugs (1 blue and 1 gray) that sit right under the intake manifold. Their sole purpose is to junction and distribute power and grounds within the loom. I unplugged the gray caps off and found a bunch of corrosion. So I cut those plugs off and wired the matching colored wires together and then tucked them away inside the harness. I installed the loom to test it out the next day and my speedometer worked flawlessly. 💪 now I'm debating on ordering a Rywire tuck harness because my stock one is still kinda a rats nest. 🐀
I noticed after removing the speedometer that the actual connection for it on the instrument cluster is directly through the 4 screws that attach it to the ribbon strip and plastic housing. The circuit board looked fine. So, sprayed all the connectors a screw points with Caig Deoxit D5. I had the same issue where the needle froze at around 20mph and the odometer stopped. After spray those connection points with Deoxit D5 everything works as it should. Mine is a 2000 Honda Civic. Thank you for your video.
I just did mine today. Hopefully it will keep working. I think honestly is one of the best cars ever built. Easy to work on. The most basic controls and comfort. Although, I have had to use a curb as railing to be able to get out of it. It's like drivin a gokart! Lol
Same issue. I replaced the VSS sensor and it worked off and on. Then I checked the connector and found that it was not fully seated and locked in. Sprayed the pins with carb cleaner and plugged it in and it worked fine thereafter.
My dads 96 Civic HX coupe has the same issue, he replaced the speed sensor but it still won't work so that made me think "maybe the gauge itself went bad" and I was right ill have to show him this video. Also if replacing the speedometer motor is too much work can I just replace the whole gauge itself with a new one?
Absolutely. If you can find another one that's in good shape without issues and don't mind the odometer being a different mileage it will work perfectly fine.
Thanks for taking the time to create this in depth video with explanation on how this fails and how to repair. It is one of those not if but when it fails common failures on this generation of Honda Civics and other Honda of this generation. On my channel I made a video on how to diagnose this. I ended up discovering that this was the failure. I went to the junkyard to find another speedometer gauge. It was very disappointing to see how little sum of Civics of this generations were available. My overall goal is to get better at component level repair as this is needed to repair the speedometer because at this rate every time you get a new to me part you know it is inevitable for this to fail. Currently my new to me replacement gauge has started to fail again. I went to the junkyard this week and there were no Civics of this generation in two different yards. Also knowing this is such a common failure means you are just playing Russian roulette with the one you removed hoping it works. It is best to grab one from a car with the least amount of miles.
That means alot, thank you. If you figure out any tips or tricks on fixing various components in the gauges let me know so I can practice as well. You've got alot of neat stuff on your channel I'm interested in. Subbed!
You can change most of the lights from the back. I assume you're talking about the block behind the fuel level and temp gauge side? I unfortunately don't have one in front of me right the second to be accurate but if it does come off it will be with little cast plastic clips around its parameter and possibly with a screw. If not then you may have to take that gauge out.
No problem man. This is one of those little mechanical issues that's just going to get worse and the best way to tackle it is to spread information about how to fix and tackle the problem. I was talking to one fella about how he was trying to figure out how to refurbish or make entirely new replacement parts for the weaknesses in these clusters.
Will it be the same process to replace the the rpm face, fuel meter and temperature gauge? I want to replace the face from an em1 cluster onto an ex cluster. Thanks in advance!
A bit easier in a way. You just remove the clear cover and black trim from the front of the cluster. Then you remove the needles on the gauges (comments have said using 2 spoons across from each other is an easier way to remove them) Last remove the little screws on the faces of the gauges to switch them out. You can throw it back together without breaking down the back of the gauges. Hope this helps! Good luck and let me know if you have any difficulties.
Do you know if the boards differ like i put a ek speedo board in a crv cluster seems to work speed need calibration didnt work the same way it was way off i had to go about just below the stopper and then go over it
After doing some research I believe with an EK3 you definitely can use 1995-1998 EK3 Clusters. 1996-2000 Japanese and Australian clusters would work as well these models would be EK3, EK4, EK9, and EM1. You could use an Automatic or Manual Cluster as well. I haven't had a EK3 in front of me or I'd have more ideas. Thank you for commenting, I hope this helps!
I'll have to look into that. I doubt it would just work as a direct transplant. If I had to take a guesses I'd say: 1. The fuel gauge is going to be the wrong application and read wrong even if it did physically fit due to 5th and 6th gen having different gas tanks and fuel pump hanger assemblies/float arms. Most likely set up for different resistance. 2. The temp gauge is most likely the same application electronically since Honda Civics have used the same coolant temp gauge sensor 1988-2000. If the temp gauge is made similarly and you could screw it into the gauge face and the cluster housing I would guess it would work technically. I don't know how accurate the face would be though.
First thing I would do in that situation is check your fuses in your fuse box under the driver's side of the dash. Check for any of them that are blown.
I haven't had a DC2 Integra cluster apart before but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same motor because I've seen people online take EG & EJ civics and repin the speedometer wiring harness to fit the whole integra cluster. I'd give it a shot and see if the motor works. My guess would be that it works the same.
Mine came with the gauge I bought from my local junkyard. If you need a needle you can pull it off of other Honda models or even replace it with universal Ebay ones if you don't have access to a junkyard.
Yes absolutely. That code would indicate a bad speed sensor on the top rear of the transmission. When you replace it make sure you get one that matches your transmission. (automatic or manual) A cheap Junkyard, Ebay, or Rockauto one will work.
Yes, it should be the same speedometer motor since its the same wiring/application for that generation of Civic. 97-01 CRV clusters hookup the same as well so it wouldn't be a far stretch to assume those crv motors may be the same as well.
It can take a couple tries to get the needle on in the correct spot. You have to line it up carefully and depending on your luck you may have to put the needle on with the ignition on and the back of the gauges hooked up. If you are using a different size tire or rims other than the stock steel ones it can have an effect too. This gauge in the video read correctly when I put it back in but now that we are running alloy rims on it it reads slightly higher. About 3-5 mph. Although I'd rather it read higher than lower and cause an unnecessary speeding ticket. I could correct that but I don't want to risk damaging anything since these are fragile and it doesn't really bother me so I just let it ride.
If it's a rolling gauge like these it's most likely the speed sensor. If it quits working the speedometer doesn't work and it keeps the odometer from counting up.
Don’t do this mess. Your speed sensor is located right under the intake. It has a clip and has arm that’s like 15 cm long with a 10 mil bolt Pull it out and have a look at the gears if they are grinded it means it’s gone. And also if the gear is ok check the power voltage with a multimeter. Don’t spend your money on a new cluster for $220 Search where the Speed sensor transmission is on google. I pulled it out my self and I have photos of it been chewed off. I bought a new one and now everything’s is good as new.
I did that with the '98 Civic shown in the video previous to shooting the video. That's why I wound up swapping speedometer motors. It wasn't a bad speed sensor causing no/intermediate reading it was a bad speedometer motor. HOWEVER Speed sensors can go bad without being chewed up. I had one on a 94 Accord Sedan go bad with no noticeable physical defects. Did the same a couple years ago on the 2000 Civic that is also featured on our channel. Also I did not spend this "220 dollars" on a cluster. I went to my local pick and pull and grabbed up a speedometer gauge itsself (not the whole cluster) for 4.99. A whole cluster would've cost me 35 at the same junkyard.
I own a 99 civic si and i am having this same issue. I've replaced my speed sensor 4 times. Triple Checked my wiring to the speed sensor. Bought a brand new whole speedo guage from the dealership. And I'm still having issues. The needle jumps all over and confuses the ecu so vtec doesn't engage. It starts working until later in the trip. Maybe my brand new Guage was bad? 🤷♂️ I'm literally at a road block and don't know what else to check?
Man that's rough but I think I have an idea of some things to check. 1. make sure your speed sensor is for your manual transmission. (I know this is self explanatory but when I was starting out I used a manual speed sensor on an auto and it didn't work right until I got one that was from an automatic.) 2. There was a Honda service bulletin in 2000 (#99-029) that was about a part of the engine wire harness rubbing on the intake manifold bracket. This applied to all Civic models 1996-1999. You may want to check out the harness, there could be some wiring in the harness that runs from the speed sensor plug that's shorting out somewhere or a break in wire. The other day while prepping my 2000 EX for transmission removal I had an option connector that vibrated and tucked itsself off behind the rear engine bracket. It was stuck and took me a while to find a way to get it out. Had to take the bracket off. I have no idea how it made its way in there. I would think that your issue would be in the harness somewhere. Also check your grounds as well. Keep me posted and I'll try to help as much as I can.
Also make sure the ground on the thermostat housing isn't messed up or corroded. I've seen that one cause alot of issues.
@@foxisretrofitting4556 so my engine has been swapped with a jdm b18c out of a Civic SiR. I'm assuming they used the original engine harness. It does look a bit old. I've been avoiding taking the whole harness out but I may have too. I checked and cleaned thermostat ground. And also know for sure the speed sensor is for a manual transmission. However I replaced it with an O'Reilly's part. Maybe I'll have to break down and buy a factory honda one? But there like 300 dollars roughly.
@@lafollettegarage4019 Believe it or not I've had good luck with ebay sensors. I get alot of stuff from tomautoparts. The sensor for our '98 automatic b4ra (78410-S04-951) is 8 dollars from them and it's been going since I put it in in early 2019. May want to check their store page and see if they have a sensor for your transmission. I'd break down and check the harness first. No need to throw money at it yet considering if it is actually wiring it could harm your new sensors.
@@foxisretrofitting4556 just giving you an update on my Speedometer issue. I ended up tearing out the entire engine wire harness and I stripped all the loom off and inspected every square inch of it. And I found two capped off plugs (1 blue and 1 gray) that sit right under the intake manifold. Their sole purpose is to junction and distribute power and grounds within the loom. I unplugged the gray caps off and found a bunch of corrosion. So I cut those plugs off and wired the matching colored wires together and then tucked them away inside the harness. I installed the loom to test it out the next day and my speedometer worked flawlessly. 💪 now I'm debating on ordering a Rywire tuck harness because my stock one is still kinda a rats nest. 🐀
I noticed after removing the speedometer that the actual connection for it on the instrument cluster is directly through the 4 screws that attach it to the ribbon strip and plastic housing. The circuit board looked fine. So, sprayed all the connectors a screw points with Caig Deoxit D5. I had the same issue where the needle froze at around 20mph and the odometer stopped. After spray those connection points with Deoxit D5 everything works as it should. Mine is a 2000 Honda Civic. Thank you for your video.
That's very good to know. Sounds like I know what chemical to pick up and where to spray to maintain these now. Thanks man!
I just did mine today. Hopefully it will keep working. I think honestly is one of the best cars ever built. Easy to work on. The most basic controls and comfort. Although, I have had to use a curb as railing to be able to get out of it. It's like drivin a gokart! Lol
A very nice simple detailed step by step procedure to replace or repair the 1998 honda civic speedometer.well explained.
Same issue. I replaced the VSS sensor and it worked off and on. Then I checked the connector and found that it was not fully seated and locked in. Sprayed the pins with carb cleaner and plugged it in and it worked fine thereafter.
Dope video.
Thanks!
you are a HERO! THANK YOU
No problem :D Let me know if you ever need help or have questions.
My dads 96 Civic HX coupe has the same issue, he replaced the speed sensor but it still won't work so that made me think "maybe the gauge itself went bad" and I was right ill have to show him this video. Also if replacing the speedometer motor is too much work can I just replace the whole gauge itself with a new one?
Absolutely. If you can find another one that's in good shape without issues and don't mind the odometer being a different mileage it will work perfectly fine.
Awesome video will be opening mine soon , thanks
Thanks for taking the time to create this in depth video with explanation on how this fails and how to repair. It is one of those not if but when it fails common failures on this generation of Honda Civics and other Honda of this generation. On my channel I made a video on how to diagnose this. I ended up discovering that this was the failure. I went to the junkyard to find another speedometer gauge. It was very disappointing to see how little sum of Civics of this generations were available. My overall goal is to get better at component level repair as this is needed to repair the speedometer because at this rate every time you get a new to me part you know it is inevitable for this to fail. Currently my new to me replacement gauge has started to fail again. I went to the junkyard this week and there were no Civics of this generation in two different yards. Also knowing this is such a common failure means you are just playing Russian roulette with the one you removed hoping it works. It is best to grab one from a car with the least amount of miles.
That means alot, thank you. If you figure out any tips or tricks on fixing various components in the gauges let me know so I can practice as well. You've got alot of neat stuff on your channel I'm interested in. Subbed!
@@foxisretrofitting4556 , love your stuff also. I will sub and I am rooting for your channel to gain more subs.
@@foxisretrofitting4556 , where are you located?
Would love to collaborate with you at some point. When in your area.
@@MotionDesignStudio That would be awesome!
Is there a way to take off the white cover on the back of the cluster cause i need to change the lights on it?
You can change most of the lights from the back. I assume you're talking about the block behind the fuel level and temp gauge side? I unfortunately don't have one in front of me right the second to be accurate but if it does come off it will be with little cast plastic clips around its parameter and possibly with a screw. If not then you may have to take that gauge out.
Did you found a way to remove it?
@@robertovalerio7810 nope
If you use 2 spoons under the needle across from each other it will pop right up for you.
That is awesome. I'll have to try that next time. Thank you!
Thx for sharing!
No problem man. This is one of those little mechanical issues that's just going to get worse and the best way to tackle it is to spread information about how to fix and tackle the problem. I was talking to one fella about how he was trying to figure out how to refurbish or make entirely new replacement parts for the weaknesses in these clusters.
Will it be the same process to replace the the rpm face, fuel meter and temperature gauge? I want to replace the face from an em1 cluster onto an ex cluster. Thanks in advance!
A bit easier in a way. You just remove the clear cover and black trim from the front of the cluster. Then you remove the needles on the gauges (comments have said using 2 spoons across from each other is an easier way to remove them) Last remove the little screws on the faces of the gauges to switch them out. You can throw it back together without breaking down the back of the gauges. Hope this helps! Good luck and let me know if you have any difficulties.
Do you know if the boards differ like i put a ek speedo board in a crv cluster seems to work speed need calibration didnt work the same way it was way off i had to go about just below the stopper and then go over it
Can i use any optical cluster in my ek 3 98 model.when yes! What the model?
After doing some research I believe with an EK3 you definitely can use 1995-1998 EK3 Clusters. 1996-2000 Japanese and Australian clusters would work as well these models would be EK3, EK4, EK9, and EM1. You could use an Automatic or Manual Cluster as well. I haven't had a EK3 in front of me or I'd have more ideas. Thank you for commenting, I hope this helps!
I removed mines and when I put back the fuel gauge and temp gauge Go past full and hot. Any ideas?
Do someone knows if the temp/fuel gauges of 5th and 6th gen are compatibles? Mine 5th gen is broken..
I'll have to look into that. I doubt it would just work as a direct transplant. If I had to take a guesses I'd say:
1. The fuel gauge is going to be the wrong application and read wrong even if it did physically fit due to 5th and 6th gen having different gas tanks and fuel pump hanger assemblies/float arms. Most likely set up for different resistance.
2. The temp gauge is most likely the same application electronically since Honda Civics have used the same coolant temp gauge sensor 1988-2000. If the temp gauge is made similarly and you could screw it into the gauge face and the cluster housing I would guess it would work technically. I don't know how accurate the face would be though.
Great video bro
What would be the problem if the lights come on but all the gauges don't work?
First thing I would do in that situation is check your fuses in your fuse box under the driver's side of the dash. Check for any of them that are blown.
would the speedo motor from a EG fit a dc2 integra?
I haven't had a DC2 Integra cluster apart before but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same motor because I've seen people online take EG & EJ civics and repin the speedometer wiring harness to fit the whole integra cluster. I'd give it a shot and see if the motor works. My guess would be that it works the same.
Where did you buy the needle?
Mine came with the gauge I bought from my local junkyard. If you need a needle you can pull it off of other Honda models or even replace it with universal Ebay ones if you don't have access to a junkyard.
I have code P0500 for wheel speed sensor could that be the cause for my speedo not working
Yes absolutely. That code would indicate a bad speed sensor on the top rear of the transmission. When you replace it make sure you get one that matches your transmission. (automatic or manual) A cheap Junkyard, Ebay, or Rockauto one will work.
use a spoon to remove the needles
Can you use the 96-97 cluster motor on the 99-00 si cluster??
Yes, it should be the same speedometer motor since its the same wiring/application for that generation of Civic. 97-01 CRV clusters hookup the same as well so it wouldn't be a far stretch to assume those crv motors may be the same as well.
i did this and now my speed shows almost 10 mph higher than i’m actually going, any ideas?
It can take a couple tries to get the needle on in the correct spot. You have to line it up carefully and depending on your luck you may have to put the needle on with the ignition on and the back of the gauges hooked up. If you are using a different size tire or rims other than the stock steel ones it can have an effect too. This gauge in the video read correctly when I put it back in but now that we are running alloy rims on it it reads slightly higher. About 3-5 mph. Although I'd rather it read higher than lower and cause an unnecessary speeding ticket. I could correct that but I don't want to risk damaging anything since these are fragile and it doesn't really bother me so I just let it ride.
It just means it got faster.
My mileage doesn’t read at all. How do I fix that?
If it's a rolling gauge like these it's most likely the speed sensor. If it quits working the speedometer doesn't work and it keeps the odometer from counting up.
All the needles work fine. I did replace the speed sensor and the counter still doesn’t move at all. Thank you so much for replying back.
@@codycastro8083 Only other thing I could think of would be like maybe a piece of plastic in the odometer roller is lose, broken, or not seated right.
@@foxisretrofitting4556 ok good idea I’m off next week I’ll check it out
Don’t do this mess.
Your speed sensor is located right under the intake. It has a clip and has arm that’s like 15 cm long with a 10 mil bolt
Pull it out and have a look at the gears if they are grinded it means it’s gone.
And also if the gear is ok check the power voltage with a multimeter.
Don’t spend your money on a new cluster for $220
Search where the
Speed sensor transmission is on google.
I pulled it out my self and I have photos of it been chewed off. I bought a new one and now everything’s is good as new.
I did that with the '98 Civic shown in the video previous to shooting the video. That's why I wound up swapping speedometer motors. It wasn't a bad speed sensor causing no/intermediate reading it was a bad speedometer motor. HOWEVER Speed sensors can go bad without being chewed up. I had one on a 94 Accord Sedan go bad with no noticeable physical defects. Did the same a couple years ago on the 2000 Civic that is also featured on our channel. Also I did not spend this "220 dollars" on a cluster. I went to my local pick and pull and grabbed up a speedometer gauge itsself (not the whole cluster) for 4.99. A whole cluster would've cost me 35 at the same junkyard.