WHY RAIDER SLOWLY FELL OFF
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
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Because people overreacted, then they nerfed his damage repeatedly and now he weilds a pool noodle that does less damage than varangian even though he should have twice the force behind a bigger axe.
He got the Conq treatment. The community hated him so Ubisoft cast him to the shadow realm, never to be buffed/seen again.
this community pisses me off for taking anything interesting and smashing it. Then complaining about lack of variety and don't put enough of a fight for changes that shouldn't happen like conqs and lawbringers rework and the repeated nerfing of characters like raider while fucking afeera gets to rule tyrannically for like half a year.
I don’t think he’s that bad is he? I’m playing him for the first time and I think he’s pretty good, not op but still viable
@@TheSuperSpud he can be bullied if your opponent understands how to.. it's certainly frustrating when you know you just can't do anything.
Okay, day 1 old raider main here. So in my opinion there are 3 things i wanna see change but i know well never happen
1- buff the dmg of opener heavy but make it so you cant get a heavy of GB unless you can throw them to a wall
(I loved that old raider heavys was hard to land but hit like a truck, and had to play around walls to do that. It was fun, and rewarding)
2- get dodge GB back
( it well help with the frist point and would change how you have to fight him)
3- get stunning tap back but put a timer on it. So if you get hit with the stun you cant get stun again for 10 seconds
(The stun was key to help mix op work)
Anyway, i know it well never happen but meh, i only play for honor like for on hour every other month so idc
Day 1 raider main as well, 100% agree that would be so fire
I miss that for highlander, didn't know raider was like that too
All this without dodge gb that's just too much even on its own
My monkey brain was pulled to raider the moment I heard “giant man with a giant axe”
So true
Raider and conq are characters that got a cool rework, people complained and then their damage got *eviscerated* in a month
He’s kinda good because you can kinda mix up
Tap and heavy fly are the same dodge timing. Dodge attack on parry flash is 100% unpunishable if you have a decent dodge attack. His chain unblockable has GB vunerable frames on startup and is a guaranteed dodge GB on whiff.
Raider isn't good in 1v1s and mediocre in 4s.
Go free with the bully knowledge, by children.
How can you forget the glorious jerome for honor montages on raider. He was the reason why i picked up raider back in the day. Check his vids out people!
Jerome is a fucking classic, flux deluxe as well. Peak for honor tbh
I agree that dodge cancels should be nerfed, but if an orochi keeps dodge attacking your heavies, you can’t blame the game if you don’t adapt and feint to parry their dodge attack
im just using that as an example obviously i can feint to parry in a 1v1 scenario but its just an example
That's just the problem with the meta of the game tho, it makes raider have to guess constantly on defense to do anything. Don't get me started on how bad that raider loses to anyone with a full block and crushing counter. It just turns into faint into neutral gameplay because he constantly has to guess on defense. Even now u can just dodge attack raider tap and block the heavy, that's something raider used to not have to account for and again, guess on defense.
@soulbender1987 you basically said exactly what I tell my homies all the time here,if I have to guess on both my offense and defence then obviously I'll play more passive with Raider,even if he's supposed to be the wild swinging axe man lol.
@XxImStarvingxX yeah exactly. There's just a lot of ways to option select raider right now so he has to guess a huge amount on his offense and then defend himself from their offense at the same time
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Just started playing raider not too long ago and that's definitely when I noticed how broken dodge recoveries are when you have no answer to them other then get good when all they have to do is spam dodge/dodge attack
Dogge cancelling a preevious side doge atack should not be a thing
Love your videos! keep em up, we need more FH creators! and some history lesson as well!
go to raven knight
You gave me nostalgia when youentioned the zone on gb lmao
Heavy feint into *FLASHBANG*
I kinda miss the stun on storming tap and the face kick. I get it was annoying on storming tap, but they couldve just made it so it would only stun if it was a chain finisher softfeint or something bc it really felt like the bread and butter of raider
I actually like playing raider, tbh. His heavies are satisfying to land and I like how relentless his offense can be.
They should just address dodging in general.
How can someone dodge INTO my attack, as a shugo or raider with lengthy weapons, but not get hit?
It’s dumb.
Its not real life, dodge attacks are supposed to dodge attacks when used well in-game, so they do.
I’ve been a Raider main since day one. I’ve stuck with him through every iteration, good and bad.
I remember losing my shit after he finally got a heavy on GB and providing the epileptic kids with seizures. The stampede charge mixups and getting so upset with his alternative armor set (I hate those ugly mf aprons)
He is the reason I started picked up the game all those years ago, to fight for the Vikings. To be that not so accurate but stereotypical Viking. To be Legendary! I love him. His fashion sucks, but I’ll always stick with him.
Also, they should add stun back to his knee, i’ve been thinking and preaching this for years.
Don’t forget wintertommy
I like raider but I would say he needs something more to his kit like a bash or grab like for example an automatic way to do stampede charge. Then could you make a video analysis on medjay because I have think that he just might be the least hated outlander and I don’t know why
I agree on the raider part, against an insane reaction player you can pretty much do nothing. Also I personally think that medjay is the least hated outlander is because: in staff stance, the only pressure is the hyper armor chains. Pretty easy to counter by just parrying those slow ah lights. In axe mode: again easy light parries and pretty low damage. Medjay feels pretty weak compared to shoalin or highlander. And comparing him to pirate aka orange spamn+Dodge recovery or affera aka Shinobi with shield or ozolot aka fastest Lights in the west+ double faint able bash with insane damage+ disgusting hyper armor, he is not that strong
Personally, my favorite mixup with raider is Unblockable, feint, too heavy, feint, unblockable, unblockable feint into top heavy. I do a little trolling.
@@holidaysamekichi5673 bro running out of stamina for 30 damage lol
@@MutatedOnion Alas, it’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make 😭 sadly the people I fight require such absurd mixups because half of them sit there and stare, so I HAVE to do something ridiculous to make them go “what the fuck when is it coming?!”
30 reps on old raider and 3 on new, he just not the same. Even now in the current state of the game ide still rather my day one raider.
I feel like the only heros ubi cares about are the new ones
I also noticed, kensia i think its there name sorry samurai huge sword lol
Sometimes ill go to trade with hyper armor but their just out of range of my attacks, but i took damage and they didn't block or parry just couldn't reach
Maybe something like if you take damage during you're hyper armor you'll automatically lock on to hit u
Like deflect does
Idk just a thought
Current Raider and Kensei have their cool soft feint tricks that make them fun to play and fight in my opinion. Warden on the other hand needs something other than just charging or feinting their bashes. Everyone loves sword guys, make the main sword guy interesting to play!
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To be honest
Zerk, of all people, had the most balanced dodge recoveries. Only on miss. Until they gave him some dodge recoveries almost as good as roachs
NO WAYYYY!!! I Literally STARTED PLAYING RAIDER TODAY AND NOW I SEE THIS
Honestly i say bring back dodge gb, no more heavy gb, and zone is unchainable again and possibly bring back stunning tap(but the stun on a cooldown like 5 - 10 seconds or some shit
Thank Ubisoft that they removed stunning tap
He feels like a cancerous tumor that always grows back in the most uncomfortable spots like an armpit, raider=armpit
I remember the infinite head tap stun
Raiders best feature is his insanely fast light
His best tool was with doing funny things with him (I also main raider and watch Out for the name EDGE LORD!)
Simple fix: Disable dodge cancel recoveries after dodge attacks
They did raider bad was my main from day one
Undodgeable Raider heavies when?
He either needs his tap to be undodgeable or letting it fly being undodgeable.
Raider needs tools to force people to respect his game.
Also, dodge GB would be hilarious to come back. Especially with side heavy punish on GB now. Althought it would polarize the roster even harder because the lower tier heroes would be bullied and against the high tier heroes it would just be a good tool in the kit.
For Honor is in a horrible state but Ubisoft did it on purpose, because every hero that's been broken or has seen love is either a crowd "favourite" (Orochi, Shinobi, Berserker) or a brand new hero (Outlanders) available for purchase.
Dodge cancels on hit would not really help raider, afterall they DO hit, they just dodge again before you can snag them. Honestly if they just limited the moves dodge cancels came out of or otherwise made them just take longer out of dodge attacks I'd be fine with them.
Same for full guard cancels, as a raider you have unlockable attacks and gb soft feints. Tbh if his chain ub had hyper armor the examples of these moves being problematic would go away though, most you have tools to counter.
Why am I taking this as a challenge to main raider
too many dodge happy characters nowadays
If you know how to use him he's still pretty much op
Reverting most nerfs of the old characters would make the game more balanced
Tbh i hate the fact they made it so you get heavy after gb as highlander
Thx for telling it was your discord hehe
If Raider has a million fans, then I am one of them. If Raider has ten fans, then I am one of them. If Raider has only one fan then that is me. If Raider has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against Raider, then I am against the world.
Great vid 👍
1:55 was Jondaliner playing Tiandi?
yes yes he was
They should bring back his dodge gb but make it so you can't counter gb from it
I don't think that would be possible to add because I think how they coded the game they probably built in a if u can throw a gb out, u can counter gb. I think it would be fine to bring back fully. Not like u can gb chains like u used to. And their were counters to it
Counters: for context u had to completely buffer dodge gb for it to work. U couldn't just dodge then counter gb on reaction it was a complete buffer. So you could faint ur unblockable into heavy and he would eat a heavy for trying to dodge gb ur unblockable. Same thing with forward dodge bashes, empty dodge into heavy. I don't think it would be as strong as people think. Just some knowledge from a day 1 raider main
If u want to see more how dodge gb worked, go into training mode with kensei or raider because they both have forward dodge gb, u will see how u have to buffer it
MY STAMPEDE HYPER ARMOR
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MY TEAM MATES KEEP INTERRUPTING IT!!!!!
(I suc.)
Tap tap tap
Me when I feint to neutral to parry instead of continuing to throw heavies like some kind of Hito main.
😂😂5:02😂😂
Unfortunately raider is a character that always had to face the wrath of nerfs because hes a noob stomper character. New players dont know about the many defensive options 95% of the cast has to deal with his oppressive offense without having to worry about the hyper armor. Most people just stare him in the face, eat 10 storm taps because they are going for heavy parries OR they think dodge attacking every time they see an indicator is the strat. Its sad really. I still think raider is a solid hero, i just dont think they will ever reliably keep him a top tier hero because of how annoyed the fan base gets. I really only think he could use a better dodge attack and maybe a dodge forward heavy for a more reliable roll catch. I wouldnt give him a bash personally for a better opener. I also think dodge gb was incredibly unhealthy for duels, unless they made it so he could be guard broken in a dodge but still was able to punish things that normally wouldnt get punished by gb like a bp bash i dont see it being healthy. Stuns i think should be something that is in the game, could make it more enjoyable. They would just need to make it so stuns cant constantly be refreshed.
As for recovery cancels i actually really like what they did to zerk in 4v4. Even as a zerk main. I think thats the best answer for the dodge recovery shenanigans that goes on in 4v4. While also keeping assassins in a good state. Given the heavy heroes have full guard recovery cancels which i think in most cases are more consistent as well as heavy perks for the damage resist i dont think nerfing assassins in the way to go. A big part of playing raider now is knowing your counters and how to counter them. If an orochi dodge attacks a heavy, they will probably do it again, so you can feint the next heavy into neutral to parry it or feint into gb. A good orochi will catch on and make the read to chain their offense if they expect you to feint. It actually becomes enjoyable once you go against people with brains. Unfortunately its rare
all heros who has something special got removed i dont get this devs this is what make people want to play for honor every heros like the same now days, lawbringer was great punish parry machine but no oppener i loved that concept now he is trash, jorm was a stamina bully hero the stamina punish got removed i rather play old weak uniqe jorm than the new one
no bro you dont get it. raider is A tier on all pro made tierlists so he should be very good indeed. even though the characters pick rate is nonexistant and nobody plays the character. even the pros/players that say hes strong dont touch him with a 100 foot pole.
just buy the new recovery cancel characters with money and play them. i dont see whats the problem personally. i think orochi is very balanced and he should be buffed as well.
A tier on pro made tierlist. yea ok buddy lmao, just coming back from a pro tourmament and seeing no raider in any team comp surely backs up your claim, and the orochi every game and you say he needs to be buffed, i need what youre smoking
@@RAPTORREX_ should i have really added the "/s" at the end bro? i thought it was an obvious sarcasm?
People keep asking for dodge GB back. Do you fuckers not remember how stupid that was? Im a day one raider player and dodge gb was a top 3 defense mechanic in early FH, which was FULL of busted defense. You couldn't GB raider out of a dodge. He could just dodge whenever he wanted, and 9/10 was safe. Paired with his naturally large dodge distance, it was nightmarish attempting to put pressure on him. Theres better ways to fix him
Raider was also one of the only characters who didn't have zone option select.
If I remember correctly, it was Nuxia as well, besides that everyone could- even Glad and BP with their bash zones could option select (and since they were bashes, were exceptionally stronger than most other zone option selects.)
only thing that fell off was you
Yeah but ubi soft doesnt listen to there community most of the time
These are some takes on par with solid sol. (They're bad)
Yeah I enjoy the content but saying Raider fell off or is bad is major cap, they aren't like... A crazy S tier hero or anything, but they don't need to be.
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3:00 oh man ain’t this the truth. It was all about the mind games baby 😂 am I gonna let that heavy fly or go into a gb or a top light? The world may never know! Also the skill level of players in general was much lower back then so it was a lot easier to play him then vs now.