In Taiwan we refer to them as "cadaver teachers"大體老師” and in every aspect of gross anatomy they are treated as our teachers; bowing and greeting them prior to every lesson, and cleaning the classroom and tables squeaky clean after every lesson. We visit their loved ones and have ceremonies adhering to their faiths. It’s not just a right of passage for us medical students to practice anatomical knowledge but also to value life at its most fragile as well as its most noble form. The video portrayed the situation extremely accurately and I have my utmost respect for that. I wholeheartedly thank my cadaver teacher for donating his body to science and to educate us not only in science but also in virtue.
In my uni they're called "eternal teachers" (guru abadi). The med students and even the anatomy professor, has to knock the anatomy lab doors before entering and paid our outmost respect for them.
When I did my bachelors I studied anatomy and we used cadavers. Before we used them we were advised that these were real people who donated their bodies for us to learn and that it was imperative to respect them. We were legally forbidden from disrespecting them in any way. One girl took a selfie with one and she was subsequently expelled from the university.
So she should have been that is absolutely abhorrent behaviour. Unfortunately I have also worked in theatres where staff have said some despicable things about the patient on the table. This should not happen and shouldn’t be condoned in any way or manner.
This didn't go where I expected, which was a pleasant surprise (this is a topic I've spent a lot of my time thinking about). Pleased to see attention drawn to the shady practices such as the for-profit model of the body brokers you mentioned, and their links to hospitals and undertakers. There is a grey area between 'transplant' and 'non-transplant' commercial too though, with unauthorised (ie non-consented) transplant/graft use which is particularly problematic in that the tissues often don't undergo the same checks for infection etc. A famous example was in the US where PVC pipes were used to replace bones without consent, so that the bodies still looked normal in the coffin, and the tissue was actually used for living people's bone grafts. In the UK it is better regulated, but that also make direct donation to medical schools expensive/challenging, so most opt for a normal cremation or burial (cremation is cheaper). It was lovely to see the segment about ceremonies for donated bodies in different countries btw, nice touch.
Who is going to think that some of the missing people yearly end up in a test, or as a bomb test, or in a medical school? I mean, who's tracking and reporting that the actual bodies are donated. . . Scary? There are movies about that. Conspiracy or fantasy. Not that far away from reality in some places . . . :/
My medical school here in the US has a ceremony to honor the people who donated their bodies too. They invite the families, students perform music and give talks. Afterwards we talk with the families and they ask us questions. It was a very interesting experience and was very reverent. Thank you to everyone who has donated their body!
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@Santi Diaz Yes, partially. But it's also true appreciation. Also, it's good for the families who may be concerned about the process and to honor the people who donated their bodies.
My best friend is finishing medical school and she was so appalled to see her classmates, in dissecting the cadavers, tossing arms, peeking at the face, poking and prodding, etc. "That's someone's grandmother." She felt that such lessons should have been treated with professionalism and solemnity simply out of respect for human life and death. She can't see her classmates the same way anymore.
What does a butcher have to do with medicine? A butcher works with animal meat, not human bodies. Maybe you’re from an area where that enormous distinction is less prominent? Though to be fair, it’s difficult to imagine that anywhere on earth is actually that backward at this point in time.
@@olgastepanov8479 I’m assuming your young cause you think it’s funny. As an adult this is not funny. This is actually dangerous lot of ppl who lives in Europe will take it seriously and start killing ppl just so they could examine them or eat them. And I’m not sure what you mean when you said tell that to a butcher. Butchers kills animals and autopsies is to examine the body for medical purposes.
Yes donate directly to a university or medical school. My grandmother’s body was donated to Stanford and she was carefully photographed and scanned to update their databases in the early 2000s. She’s actually help students learn!
After our cadaver class in Germany the university fully payed for the funeral and the students organised a ceremony for the relatives. We assambled a choir and an orchestra, sang togather and created candles for each donor to express our gratitude. I think we always handled the donors' bodies with the utmost respect and I am extremly grateful for their sacrifice, YET I noticed that the donors would often come from lower income families, which leaves me with a weird feeling in my stomach, because this should not be a financial descision.
I’m a 30 year old kidney transplant recipient and I just want to say thank you for being an organ donor. People that make this choice can help people like me live a normal life and have a hope for a normal lifespan. I don’t think people truly understand the impact they can have on someone’s life just by checking that little box at the DMV.
I’m a med student from Germany and last year we studied the whole anatomy of a human body, so we’ve had one cadaver for about 20 students to learn from. The person who donated his body actually had to pay money for this so we know he wouldn’t do it against his will. And I believe it was a contract directly with my university, so none of his body parts could go anywhere else. Also after we finished we had a ceremony with the families and honour the people.
In my biology degree, I dissected cadavers. I was taught to honor the bodies, because they could be the grandparents of people we knew. We were never allowed to take pictures for our notes, because if a picture ended up on the internet and the family saw it, they would be instantly devastated. Cadavers are super important for medicine, but they are a privilege, and everyone must be respectful and ethical.
Yes I agree! His identity should’ve never been known to the public. No wonder there’s outrage. I have studied in college on cadavers and it’s important no one ever knows their name. We only figure out their occupation sometimes and their disease history. Also I don’t think people that aren’t serious about a certain field that involves these cadavers should even be allowed to come into the same room as them. I am a nursing major, I’m all for science and learning but there’s a certain sense of morality and adherence that should be proven to be allowed to access such important specimens in these sensitive matters.
It’s also illegal to take photos of full cadavers unless specific regulations apply while in a school. If the school finds out you took photos in medical school of a cadaver, it is grounds for dismissal and legal repercussions.
Yep, the cadavers my anatomy department used were treated very respectfully. Everything about how the university treated them kept in mind the fact that they were human beings that gave us a wonderful gift.
My sister is in 1st year med school, she told me, one day a man in tears showed up and he was donating his 21 year old son's body, all the med students gathered around and welcomed the body with flowers, soo.. yes in India we also respect and welcome the body, coz that's the source of knowledge.
Yup in med College in India, the first day of anatomy class. The proff discusses about respecting the dead body / cadaver who will be teaching the students from today onwards. And photos aren't allowed bcs that's disrespectful.
I'm a medical student in the US at one of the few remaining schools to do full cadaver dissection during our anatomy training. We refer to them as our "first patient". It's a very respectful process of using the body to learn. There's great emphasis to treat the body with respect and to not speak ill of the body or use it for humor. We have a ceremony at the end of the year at a local cemetery where we invite the families and honor those that donated their bodies to further our education
@@porkbeans854 most schools use videos or picture slides of already dissected cadavers. They will supplement with textbooks and lectures as well. These show the anatomy pretty well, but it's not the real thing. Very few schools actually have students do the full dissection on cadavers. It's like 3-5 schools at this point
EXACTLY! We were working with cadavers in my class and a guy was poking it like for fun and the teacher was very mad and made them leave the room. You can’t even say a word without being penalized for it. His identity should’ve never been known to the public. No wonder there’s outrage. I have studied in college on cadavers and it’s important no one ever knows their name. We only figure out their occupation sometimes and their disease history. Also I don’t think people that aren’t serious about a certain field that involves these cadavers should even be allowed to come into the same room as them. I am a nursing major, I’m all for science and learning but there’s a certain sense of morality and adherence that should be proven to be allowed to access such important specimens in these sensitive matters.
@@frenchfrythecool yes. A dissection is VERY different than a text book. Just like it’s different if your blind but you can hear, or you can see but you can’t smell and can only get a description. It’s much different. I think it’s terrible they don’t do full body dissections. I don’t get it, if your gonna use the body might as well not waste it and use the whole thing
When I die I intend to be donated to science, and while I hope fully that my body would be used in research and contribute to a finding or research of some sort.... I also don't care about the "respect" my body would be treated with, nor does the idea of my dead body being used to set up a joke make me vicariously uncomfortable. I would not care one bit whether or not my identity was kept hidden or any expectsted notion of respect given to my body. Those notions of respect are virtues for the living. I wouldn't care a single bit...because I'd be fucking dead lol. I would honestly hope that students or whomever got to use my cadaver had a bunch of fun using it and found it helpful for whatever they were using it for. The idea of being posthumously useful and helpful to students is a very nice thought that would make me happy, and while I would hope my body would be given the respect needed to get from it a long period of usefulness, I wouldn't want them to feel so uptight around my cadaver that they were afraid to have fun using my dead body
In the intro, the veteran, I can see his cap with the letter WW2 & Korea. He probably fought in the Korean war too.. feel so sad and deeply sorry for him as a Korean. He deserve much better respect… can’t believe it.
It is an amazing analogy of how we've cannibalized those we are indebted to. Think about it, someone's entire future is irreversibly taken, lost to being in the service of the continuation of everyone else's sovereignty, liberty, that right to live out the potential that they themselves will never quite have again, because they are the ones who will have to shoot, be shot at, watch the human body be maimed in the most unspeakable ways, that we cannot imagine, because we didn't see it or hear it or feel it, what it's like to see someone looking back at you with the top of their head blown off, they're dead... But they were young. Someone you knew. You can't come back from that and be the exact same person you could've been before experiencing your friend getting their brains splattered all over the ground, what you are after that isn't you anymore. But it ought to be, if not reconcilable in any way, it ought to be bittersweet that a man loses himself in combat so that the world will be better, because he sacrificed himself all the same, even if he did survive, even if he still goes on to bring his suffering on others, that sacrifice is supposed to be an equivalent exchange where the loss of his own dignity is for the continuation of our own so that one day, man may not be selfish, bloody and despicable. But after all that the veteran of a war has achieved or attempted, That body is a fucking commodity. The same as his experience was something to monetize, and his wellbeing was a service to perform at the lowest cost and for the highest return on investment. Because that man probably didn't have a choice in whether or not his future possibilities were taken from him. And we, delusional, disillusioned, who inherited his earth, we can't imagine losing the money making opportunities.
Its heartwarming to know that other countries really give huge respect to the non-transplant body donors, like they treat them like a great teacher and actually giving respect from their families as well and give them a proper burial or cremation process. I wish more would do this instead of just treating the used body donors as waste and acknowledging how it help progress the medical science.
As a Medical Student , I’m thankful for everyone who donates his body for science purposes, Medicine would’ve never got where is it today without these people. I hope others realize the great sacrifice these people make for us to learn and develop medicine and learn to respect them and their cadevars. They are our great teachers and that’s why we need to handle them with great care and respect.
Cool :). I wonder which country you are from and is it true that all countries’ med schools have cadavers from other countries, I feel like this is just a First World market
“Body brokers” sound really disturbing. I lost trust a long time ago. I think when more people are aware of what is happening, sadly less people will be willing to donate for a good cause. Plus what’s to say what really happens to your body whether you consent or not.
training to be a memory-bot pathologist when every major medical problem in the world is preventable and caused by modern living conditions XD nice choice.
Just a minor correction. Med students don’t practice hip replacements on cadavers. In fact, med student and most doctors do not ever practice hip replacements. Only orthopedics surgeons do, and they almost exclusively practice on live patients. It’s first done in residency through assisting and observing dozens and dozens of hip replacements, then performing a little bit under supervision, then with time a little more each case until the attending physician are confident that the resident can perform independent safely. Now for new devices, or for a refresher course, yes cadavers are used. And it’s exclusively for fully trained attending physicians, and sometimes advanced practice nurses/PA’s who assist in surgery.
@@porkbeans854 actually, if you ever need surgery, please go to an academic center with residents. The attendings aren’t paid by the surgery and are instead on salary. In private practice, they over operate cuz of profit and choosing the wrong patients to operate on leads to bad outcomes (as opposed to other treatments like PT, injections, etc). Academic center are also much more ethical in treating patients and surgical attendings will not let bozo medical students become their residents. No, the residents aren’t operating by themselves. They do as much as the attending allows and they’re always scrubbed/hands in the body. For post op if you’re in the hospital, academic centers will have a team residents supervise your care of you 24/7. So actual doctors. In a private hospital, there are little to no doctors in house (as they’re all at home asleep) and the nurses take care of you without any supervision. Take your pick.
I've always wanted to donate my body also. But I wasnt aware of the other half you covered here. I feel the same way you do, like being dissected on stage in front of non doctors or medical students, is not science, imo. I appreciate how you covered how to make sure you will be used in the name of science. Also, near the end, where you showed how other cultures and other parts of the world honored their dead donors, was really interesting!
I remember going to Body works as a kid where partially autopsied cadavares were put on display in the O2 it was incredible and now 17yrs later I'm a doctor and have had the chance to advance my anatomical knowledge with dissection. I would definitely say the exposure taught me an incredible lesson and partially inspired my career trajectory
At my school (dental/medschool) in Canada, we had a little ceremony during our first lab honouring those who donated their bodies to teach us. We read words from their family members about who they were and what they were like. I was initially very worried about seeing dissected bodies for the first time, not knowing how I'd react, but after our ceremony I felt more comfortable and ready to learn from the amazing opportunity these people graciously gave me.
My school does a similar thing, but at the end of the process. We have cadavers for a year, then host a funeral that all the students can attend to thank the people and families that made such an incredible donation to our learning.
I think it’s pretty disgusting that these companies are making so much money off of these bodies while the families of the individuals who “donated” their bodies don’t get a dime.
If they offer money... most families will refuse to donate anymore, and the ones who donate will be the poor ones and we will say they exploit the poor...
Even in death, people will find ways to profit off your body parts without respect to their bodies. Truly sickening revelations in this video. Edit: I was moved by the medical community's respect to the body donors. I was more pro-non transplant donation at the end as long as we properly vet the organizations that handle these bodies.
It shows how Americans view life and honestly they should be paying the people for your own body not the people talking them into it. Then you wouldn't need people to be talked into it as well.
Re: tissue donation.... I was so badly flat-footed that I was basically walking on the insides of my ankles, which knocked my whole lower body out of alignment. I was on a path to need both knees and both hips replaced before I turned 40. Changing the shape of a *single* bone in each foot fixed the whole mess, but the procedure requires bone grafts, and bc of other health issues, I was a poor candidate for an autograft (aka, being my own donor by having some bone harvested from my pelvis). So yeah, cadaver bone donation saved me from a LOT of misery. I'm still a medical mess in other ways, but holy crap did my foot surgeries change my life. A lot of tissue donation doesn't exactly save people who are dying, like with most organ donation, but jfc it can make a difference.
And the only reason my grandmother has mechanical knees that allow her to walk instead of being in a wheelchair is because somebody profited off implanting mechanical knees into a dead leg and showed it off to s9me surgeons. So yeah, painting that part as bad just because ppl make profit is crazy to me.
@@dustingaethje1332 agreed. i had to watch it twice to get that it was ambiguity when marketing that he had a problem with ("did shaun know that that's what science was defimed as?"). some people don't watch twice. or think about it well. thats tricky. they might walk away with a feeling of "profit makes it bad".
The profit part is bad though. Cutting human beings up into pieces by actual corporate monsters to profit off of is wrong despite any minute benefit someone else may or may not have received.
@@sarahalderman3126 I'd say the benefits to humans who are still living vastly outweigh any of the money involved. People just see business and profit and instantly jump to hate on it without viewing it objectively.
@@dustingaethje1332 I agree, I think that teaching surgeons how to use new implants, which is a necessary part of selling new biomedical devices, is arguably continuing education. Maybe the broader issue is how companies will do this buy outdoing each other in treating doctors to fancy dinners and conventions at resort destinations and paying for first class travel. But that part of it that I hate has nothing to do with using a cadaver to demonstrate how new equipment works. Surgeons have to learn about new techniques and technologies all the time!
For anyone interested in the cut out bit, that guy sewed body parts onto different bodies like a woman's head onto a male torso. Some FBI investigators refused to return to the scene.
Johnny, each and every subject you cover is so incredibly well presented. You’re videos are intriguing, informative and thought provoking regardless of topic. You’re in depth investigative journalism surpasses that of main stream media not only in factual content but in explanation to the common man. You sir, shall win a Pulitzer. It is an extreme pleasure to view your content and I look forward to it! Thank you!
I'm a neuroscience student in the Netherlands and last semester my fellow students and I had the privilege to dissect a human brain as part of our Neuroanatomy course. While there was no ritual honoring the donors (maybe med students do that here?) similar to the ones shown in the video, I just remembered feeling extremely grateful for the learning opportunity I was provided by the I believe 80-year-old man who wished students to study and learn from, effectively, his remains. Next semester I'll be a student assistant for that exact same course because it was just that fascinating. When I die, I will also donate my body to (legit) science!
As a heart transplant recipient, I want to thank you for explaining the difference between these two situations and for advocating for organ donation. Many people are waiting for organs and it’s really important that these horrific commercial practices are not associated with organ donation. Thank you for that.
Here in Switzerland, we just voted Yes on an initiative saying that every dead person automatically becomes an organ donor unless they themselves state otherwise while still able to. It will be another two years at least before this will be incorporated into the law, but it was fascinating to see how high the general approval was!
@Crypto Lyndon Some might say it's even crazier to treat the lifeless remains of a human as sacrosanct, as if the mind which formerly inhabited it could possibly be aware, let alone in objection to, that human corpse being recycled to keep presently living humans alive and healthy. If we applied the same logic to mundane objects, we'd have... well, pretty much an iPhone. An extremely expensive thing that lasts until the first thing stops working, before it is relegated to being put on a shelf for a while, and eventually buried. The very idea of replacing a part with one from a broken phone would be taboo. Imagine disrespecting the memories of that phone, and the emotional bond between it and its owner. Yeah, you may have intuited that I'm not the religious type. I wouldn't say Switzerland was crazy even if there wasn't an easy way to opt out. It's simply a change in the default state, with anybody concerned enough about the integrity of their already decaying flesh golem able to have their way, too.
This is one of many reasons why I am considering opting out of donating my body for science and organ donations. There is a disturbing incentive to kill/be negligent/whatever for organs, and any system that does so needs *airtight* reputation. You cannot afford to breach trust of this, and this is just one of many examples. People will die because of breaches of trust, but thats the price of abusing this system from greed or whatever other reason people have.
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Reminds me of the American "Body Works" knock off. People started enquiring where the bodies came from. Leading to some very dark stones being unturned.
So important to talk about this in general- because the people who need to hear this are making a really difficult decision at an emotional and challenging time- they're probably not in the right place to do due diligence :(
Grandmother donated her body to Tulane Medical School who in turn sold the body to Department of Defense. There was a major class action suit years ago.
Wow, I was not prepared for the sudden shift into an unexpectedly wholesome tangent. Of all the things we can do after we die, saving lives and teaching people how to do so has to be one of the best.
the level of professionalism on your material combined with your fantastic delivery makes your channel a great source of information. Well done Johnny !
It's wonderful how a body in science is treated around the world. Meeting the family, having a memorial etc. Their respect for the dead, amplifies my respect for them. Thank you for this video, very well done.
At my medical school, we have dinner with the family members of those who donated their body to science. There's also a ceremony at a monument dedicated to the donators. They also receive the ashes of the deceased afterwards. It was an amazing learning experience and I am grateful for the opportunity they gave us
In Canada I believe you can only donate directly to a university. I've searched before for my own donation because as a healthcare student, it was so important being able to study gross anatomy.
Same here in the uk.but sometimes they refuse the body if its typically an old person because they have so many thst age , they prefer younger corpses.tbh im not religious so i dont care whats done to my body, dogs can eat me.
Universities are pretty picky on the bodies they take - I have also looked into body donation in Canada, but due to health conditions I don't expect anywhere to take my body when I'm done with it.
This is hands down one of the best videos i have ever seen on youtube. Some of this i was aware of, but I also learned a lot of new things. As a licensed esthetician i can work in a morgue; while in school getting my hours to be licensed I filled all my extra time with mortuary science. It's always been a fascination with me.
I remember a case in a country where I went where a little boy was abducted and opened. His organs were stolen, he was later sealed quickly and dumped along the road. Thank you for bringing it up! Hopefully technology like 3d printers will solve this inhumanity.
@@arnowisp6244 Arno Wisp, doesn't sound bad to me, dead people are no people at all and I think we can strip them of their bodies for the greater good, they're dead anyways
Hey Johnny, medical and graduate student (MD-PhD) in the US who took and taught anatomy at a top-ranked school. Definitely donate through a university/medical school if that is what you want. Also wanted to let you know - in my particular school, cadavers and their bodies are treated very respectfully by both faculty and medical students, and we have a body donor ceremony at the end of our anatomy course where we get a chance to meet the family members of some of our body donors if they so choose, similar to some other countries you’ve mentioned. Happy to elaborate more or to connect you with people who know much more as well. I’m also an immigrant, so I know the situation with medical education and cadavers in my home country (Russia), and it’s, shall I say, very different.
In Belgium, all body donations are regulated by the government and the EU. Because of this, you have to choose the university to which you want to donate your body AND it can be exclusively be used for medical scientific research. No body brokers, no millions in profit.
Also those same people villianize the government and act like the "free market" wouldn't do awful horrible things, despite evidence over and over because they're paid by owners of these businesses
True, good, 20 minutes video that are well edited and have interesting and well backed information is getting rare these days on UA-cam… You do a great job of separating UA-cam from TikTok.
Yes. As a scientist it is really hard to procure normal tissue. When we want to compare with disease tissue, normal tissue is a good parameter to have. Usually we need to use the 'normal' section from the disease tissue. Which less than ideal.
@@emvv3784 not sure where u going for on this but what sort of study is matter then? I do cancer research and most people appreciate the field (but cannot appease everyone) 😅. And I get paid to 'waste time' as u said. Usually, the tissue that we requested are only 1mm3 to 1cm3 for pathology and not the whole organ. Donation to biobank or research uni is good nonetheless, because scientist need to go through a lengthy ethical approval process 🥲😭. I may be guilty of doing all this for fun but it is to deepen our knowledge in science.
@@daisuke910 i heard that people that goes to medical school like that (already expensive) is also had to bought the body for themselves at an expensive cost ? why ? when the donatur is willing to donate his body for free is it because the maintenance costs of the dead body ? and the delivery ? im just curious because you said you are a scientist
Honestly, i am absolutely proud of this man.. his works are totally top notch in all aspects.. "the best in UA-cam" wouldn't be an overstatement.. the coverage this man gives is insane and the documentaries are fantastic to say the least.. always hoping to see a notification that says this guy's name.. nothing but love from my end.. had to say this because i couldn't hold my appreciation any longer.. much love and thank you Johnny.. you really are a gem..
As a medical student we cannot thank the bodies donated by the people voluntarily after death so we could learn so much. That’s such a noble thing to do!
I'm lucky enough to have been born in a relatively wealthy country to a relatively wealthy (or at least comfortable) family, so I will never be able to understand how difficult it must be to sell your body organ just to pay off debt. I sincerely wish we all could do something to stop this misery.
Hi :) I am an anatomy lecturer in the UK and I just want to reassure any UK audience that this absolutely does not happen here. It is heavily regulated by the government and there is STRICT parameters we must follow (The Human Tissue Act, 2004). Respect for our donors is the most important thing to us and therefore only uses that truly train health care students and surgeons are permitted, none of which is for profit.We teach entire module sections on the ethics of best practice. The idea of shipping body parts to companies and body brokers truly had my jaw on the floor. We cannot advertise that we accept donations, people must come to us. So generally word of mouth travels from students who have seen how the bodies are treated in their practical classes and are therefore happy for family members to consider donating themselves. We also consider them to be the "silent teachers' and the annual memorial for our donar where all the families and friends are invited to a ceremony to commemorate and thank them for their support and the students can offer their gratitude.
As a medical-student I am extremely grateful to the people who donated their bodies for us to dissect and learn on, especially since at my school you still have to pay approx. $1100 for your own funeral afterwards. It was such an integral part of pre-clinical medical training, that I believe can just not be replicated with plastic models or virtual dissection. These people allow us to become good doctors, and deserve all the respect and honor!
Dude your videos are so thought inspiring and deep. I really appreciate being able to learn from your studies about things I don't get contact with all the time. Thank you for helping me be a more well rounded individual
My brother passed away a few weeks ago unexpectedly from a pulmonary embolism. He died in our hometown in northern Maryland, was transported to Johns Hopkins in Baltimore was emptied of all of his organs and tissue that they needed and was back in our hometown at the funeral home being processed in less than 12 hours. It was actually pretty crazy. I don't know how true this is but I've heard people say that some medical institutions will overstep boundaries by removing organs from non-consenting people or even prematurely starting the process for people that aren't dead yet.
I am at a US medical school, my anatomy professor was telling us the body's in the lab will be more darker skin than we are used to seeing because majority are from India. She said they get bodies from the street of poor people who have no families and export it to the west. I thought it was so sick that you can import bodies from poorer foreign countries.
At my university they held a memorial service every couple of years for the people who donated their bodies. Also, in the UK we have this thing called the Human Tissues Act, because it turned out some hospitals were keeping bits of human tissue without consent (it’s a lot worse than it sounds), so a law was passed that makes it extremely difficult to buy and sell human tissue without lots of very expensive regulation. It stopped students and doctors being able to buy skulls and other bones like they could before 2003, but it also stopped dodgy practices of keeping people’s organs for study without getting consent from the patient/their family
I loved the way how you managed to reconcile a journalistic investigation with rising awareness on organ and body donation. You did it again. Love your channel Johnny 🙌🏼
Im a plastic and reconstructive surgeon doing a fellowship in Taiwan. Just last week I went for the cadaver workshop that was mentioned here. It was a truly humbling and beautiful experience. I have operated on cadavers before in India but the level of respect that they show for the 'silent mentors' (thats what they call the cadavers here) and their families was very touching
Please look into the history of better help they are a very dodgy company especially for a mental health org. - The primary issue was better help not vetting job applicants so non professionals were providing “help” in a highly specialised field on people with real health needs
I'd love to share this with our seniors who I feel are some of the most at risk in being mislead or taken advantage of. I love your investigations and how level headed you try to remain when presenting the material. I appreciate your professionalism soo much!
during my very first anatomy cadaver class during my first year in medical college, our anatomy professors and lecturers really drilled it into our head that the cadaver is a teacher greater than our profressor, so whatever respect we have for our profressor, always show more than that to the cadavers and never ever play, poke or pull when not needed. we as young 17-18 years old were obviously so spooked out looking at a dead body for the first time but our lecturer always encouraged us to be near and touch them so we get used to it. by the end of two years of anatomy classes we learned sm from those two cadavers.
The medical school I attended was at a teaching major medical university in Chicago and we cadavers were retired they held a funeral/celebration of life for each body and this was taken extremely seriously by all. Additionally, respecting the bodies while in cadaver lab was very much emphasized and I never once witnessed anyone being anything but respectful. We only had full body cadavers and if we were not learning about a part/system then it was to be covered etc. Also quite a few of the cadavers were long-time patients of the hospital system who donated their bodies so we were acutely aware that these are human beings that decided to do something selfless and not just "learning tools"
Here in Switzerland at the University of Zürich we have a big funeral for all the body donors which the medical students learned from. The families of the deceased and the students come in touch this way and it's a beautiful ceremony in a big church near campus.
Here's my problem - if there's so much money and even science people have to pay a lot to these body brokers, why is a royalty not paid to the designated successor of that person? Why is that not legal? It seems like body brokers have almost no cost to procure but earn lot from renting them.
This is what bothered me so much about it. If the “body brokers” are making so much money why is it a donation on behalf of the person whose body it is? Why is it even presented to them this way? So sick.
I know someone who dropped out of med school in the 70's in disgust after an autopsy class with a real cadaver had darts thrown at said cadaver by students. Always made my a chill go down my spine thinking about it! Edit: University was in Australia
I work in automotive (braking software), and I’ve heard we are indirectly affecting the organ donation market. Since vehicles are getting safer and safer, there are less people “donating” organs.
One simple way to improve the system would be that when you sign the donation papers you go through the different uses for your body and sign for the ones you are okay with. This has to be regulated to make sure that it's all above board and honest of course. This is obviously not perfect but it is at least deobfuscate the industry and allows for affirmative consent in the process.
This! I heard of a man who donated his body to science and that ended up being the science of testing how new bullets blow up a head. Everyone knows damn well that's not the kind of science people donate their body for
"Don't talk to me, your profession disgusts me" "Sir, I'm serious about this offer, you can help millions" "Still won't shut up, you want a piece of me?" "Why yes as a matter of fact I do"
The section about other countries really made me feel like we're all just following our beliefs Thailand: Buddhism Austria: Christianity USA: ✨Capitalism✨
When I was in college, we had cadavers in the anatomy lab that were used for quizzes and tests. We had two cadavers that were replaced every two years, alternating between the two (ie one in fall 2018 and then the other in fall 2019). I got the opportunity to do an internship after taking anatomy where I and a few other students dissected the new cadaver to prepare it for the anatomy lab students. There were a lot of rules in place regarding the cadavers. They tested them obviously to ensure there was no risk of infectious diseases, but we weren’t allowed to take any photos of the cadavers, and any tissues (mostly skin and fat) that were removed were placed into a special waste bin and when the cadaver was returned for cremation, all of those tissues went with it. That way as much of the body was returned as possible. Once returned and cremated, the organization would hold a memorial ceremony for the families of the deceased. It was all and extremely respectful process and it gave students like me a great opportunity to learn from a real human body. It’s really upsetting to me therefore that there are companies that mislead people and treat their bodies with such disrespect. What someone chooses to have done with their remains after their death is sacred and should be honored. The fact that human beings are treated as mere props is simply disgusting.
US Medical Student here, Many schools, including my own, have similar ceremonies to honor the lives of those who donated their bodies. We had a ceremony to which families of donors where invited and students performed music and readings and families shared stories of their loved ones. It was a really meaningful way to honor those lives and also give closure to the family.
Hey Johnny - there's over a thousand comments on this one already so chances are you won't see this, but I work for the UK equivalent to an OPO. We're a special division of the NHS and I'm part of a really small team who allocate organs for transplant across the UK- the bridge between donation and transplant essentially. If you ever want a detailed walkthrough of the whole process from within, I'd be happy to chat. Also thanks for touching on the fact that you have to be in the ITU to donate your organs, it's not a well known fact.
Johnny Harris has this remarkable ability to present really interesting content in a way that makes me want to learn more and also make me hate everything
A scandal shown up a few years ago about the body donor department in the biggest medical university of Paris, Paris-Descartes. The bodies were disrespected by the operators and poorly maintained, because of rats and the freezers being regularly down and unmaintained. Some bodies parts were sold to black market by the operators. A witness described the department as a charnel house and journalists work shown that this situation exists and has been described to the authorities for at least 30 years.
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So glad you’ve addressed this issue. I was going to sell my body to science. But you convinced me, not a good idea at all. And Johnny, thx for taking off your wool sweater.
As a training doctor that’s learned from cadavers, I can confirm that they provide an incredibly valuable learning experience. We treat the bodies with respect and appreciate the donors
Unfortunately a friend of mine had this happened to, her son had passed away and a year later they found his body parts in Texas from a funeral home that wad suppose to cremate him instead he sold his body for cadaver
Until the very last seconds of a very long video. It's 25 minutes, Johnny! Appreciate you for putting in the time and effort to convey this message in such a short amount of time.
Im a nurse and I've had several pts donate their brains to science. We were instructed that when they die we had to put the head on ice immediately. My great grandmother also a nurse donated her entire body to science. And im an organ donor. I believe in helping the future generations in the name of science. However I agree with you on the WW2 veteran. Great video!
Thank you for covering this subject, I had concerns that honestly held me back from signing up to be a donor. But those concerns have largely been assuaged, so I have now signed up as a donor with my state.
I stumbled upon your video thinking that it will be a similar case to what happened in France a few years ago called the "Paris Descartes Charnier scandal". Around 2018, students at Descartes University in Paris started complaining about a strong decomposition smell and what looked like human bodies in the hallways of the basement. it was later found out that the bodies that were "donated to science" for students and doctors to dissect were not even kept in a functioning refrigerated morgue and they were soaking in their bodily fluids. Apart from that the investigation unraveled that the bodies were severely mishandled (students playing with the body parts, limbs sold on the market...). Sadly in this case it happened within the premises of a university and till this day we do not have all the information about it.
I was an anatomist and anatomical researcher in a past life. This has always been a concern of mine. While I worked strictly in academia, about 10 years ago we were buying and trading cadavers at around $10K each, albeit to other academic institutions. The price is probably close to double that now. However if we ran out of cadavers, we had to buy from these slightly shady businesses. At the time there was a lot of controversy with the 'body worlds' exhibits too. While educational, they weren't completely educational. There are definitely a few exhibits there that are just there to look cool, plus the sourcing of those bodies were questionable.
My cousin is currently doing his residency but during his studies he told us that often they’d have to use bodies that weren’t claimed, but also sometimes in the middle of autopsy it would be identified and claimed and a giant set of stitches left in the body as they gave it back to their families.
My grandma donated her body to science. You paint a wildly different picture than we experienced. The med students that practiced with her body held a ceremony in her honor that the family attended
@@myon- that's not true this stuff really happened. It's in news articles. Unethical practices r horrible & disrespectful. U shouldn't shame ppl for standing up for the truth.
@@tehreemkhurrum5884 It's painted as a common occurrence. Which it isn't. If it happens in .001% of all cadavers, it shouldn't be actively used as a means to discourage something.
@@SuperCatacata He actually said that at the end of the video, saying it's not common, but it does happen sometimes. He encouraged to still donate your body, and gave out the best methods how to do it. People didn't watch the whole video
I feel like the concept that human bodies can become property due to capitalism is horror beyond anything I could ever imagine. It looks like other countries that don't do this for profit actually treat their bodies with respect and humanity. Profit truly is the source of all evil in this world. Private property is theft.
@@Ginarrbrik11 with the advent of remote work and the internet, your electronic device can also be your private property, and your means of production. 🙃
@@Ginarrbrik11 by the way, I feel that your comment is relative. SHOULD human bodies be private property? Why not? For example, in some religious beliefs, your body contains a soul. When you die, that soul leaves. The body remains and is just a material container for your soul. It rots and biodegrades. The soul is eternal. Your view of the world is thus very materialist. Profit is not the source of all evil. Profit also motivates people to do great things, not just evil things. Therefore, the idea of profit is pretty much amoral - it depends on the morals of humans who choose to respond to and act upon the incentives. And how is private property “theft” in this case á la human bodies?
I love it when I fall asleep with autoplay on and end up waking up at some random channel being thanked for reaching the end of the video, 100% rewatched it though, interesting channel might watch more.
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In Taiwan we refer to them as "cadaver teachers"大體老師” and in every aspect of gross anatomy they are treated as our teachers; bowing and greeting them prior to every lesson, and cleaning the classroom and tables squeaky clean after every lesson. We visit their loved ones and have ceremonies adhering to their faiths. It’s not just a right of passage for us medical students to practice anatomical knowledge but also to value life at its most fragile as well as its most noble form. The video portrayed the situation extremely accurately and I have my utmost respect for that.
I wholeheartedly thank my cadaver teacher for donating his body to science and to educate us not only in science but also in virtue.
It's interesting to see this similarity, In Hong Kong, we refer to them as "Silent teachers" (無言老師）
In my uni they're called "eternal teachers" (guru abadi). The med students and even the anatomy professor, has to knock the anatomy lab doors before entering and paid our outmost respect for them.
I really like all three of these terms. I am still thankful for the lady that I had the privilege to dissect in anatomy lab at medical school...
Mine was a guy who robbed someone and was shot in the head. 😐 wasnt as noble as you guys
The same in China though, just to paying respect to the deceased.
When I did my bachelors I studied anatomy and we used cadavers. Before we used them we were advised that these were real people who donated their bodies for us to learn and that it was imperative to respect them. We were legally forbidden from disrespecting them in any way. One girl took a selfie with one and she was subsequently expelled from the university.
So she should have been that is absolutely abhorrent behaviour. Unfortunately I have also worked in theatres where staff have said some despicable things about the patient on the table.
This should not happen and shouldn’t be condoned in any way or manner.
Was this in the U.S.A?
@@amberrj. I was wondering that & came back to ask, but you beat me too it.
@@amberrj. no Australia
@@Felicity2121 yeah, something told me that incident probably didn't occur in the U.S lol.
This didn't go where I expected, which was a pleasant surprise (this is a topic I've spent a lot of my time thinking about). Pleased to see attention drawn to the shady practices such as the for-profit model of the body brokers you mentioned, and their links to hospitals and undertakers. There is a grey area between 'transplant' and 'non-transplant' commercial too though, with unauthorised (ie non-consented) transplant/graft use which is particularly problematic in that the tissues often don't undergo the same checks for infection etc. A famous example was in the US where PVC pipes were used to replace bones without consent, so that the bodies still looked normal in the coffin, and the tissue was actually used for living people's bone grafts. In the UK it is better regulated, but that also make direct donation to medical schools expensive/challenging, so most opt for a normal cremation or burial (cremation is cheaper). It was lovely to see the segment about ceremonies for donated bodies in different countries btw, nice touch.
Ah-ha...
Fascinating _addendum_ to this investigation.
Prove that there is indeed solid regulation from Universities, you can't prove it can you? They are as guilty as the NADO groups.
Who is going to think that some of the missing people yearly end up in a test, or as a bomb test, or in a medical school?
I mean, who's tracking and reporting that the actual bodies are donated. . .
Scary?
There are movies about that. Conspiracy or fantasy. Not that far away from reality in some places . . .
:/
Great to see some medlife crisis insights here!
Thanks Maybe do your own video about this issue.
My medical school here in the US has a ceremony to honor the people who donated their bodies too. They invite the families, students perform music and give talks. Afterwards we talk with the families and they ask us questions. It was a very interesting experience and was very reverent. Thank you to everyone who has donated their body!
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Don’t ya think it’s maybe for display
@Santi Diaz Yes, partially. But it's also true appreciation. Also, it's good for the families who may be concerned about the process and to honor the people who donated their bodies.
It was one of the most emotional classes I’ve ever had. Truly an incredible experience
Well toxic sick people in your field are going to ruin it the way they ruin everything in every area of society
My best friend is finishing medical school and she was so appalled to see her classmates, in dissecting the cadavers, tossing arms, peeking at the face, poking and prodding, etc. "That's someone's grandmother." She felt that such lessons should have been treated with professionalism and solemnity simply out of respect for human life and death. She can't see her classmates the same way anymore.
🤣go tell that to a butcher.
What does a butcher have to do with medicine? A butcher works with animal meat, not human bodies. Maybe you’re from an area where that enormous distinction is less prominent? Though to be fair, it’s difficult to imagine that anywhere on earth is actually that backward at this point in time.
@@sarahalderman3126 difficult to imagine? There are tribes in India today that still practice cannibalism and human sacrifice.
@@olgastepanov8479 I’m assuming your young cause you think it’s funny. As an adult this is not funny. This is actually dangerous lot of ppl who lives in Europe will take it seriously and start killing ppl just so they could examine them or eat them. And I’m not sure what you mean when you said tell that to a butcher. Butchers kills animals and autopsies is to examine the body for medical purposes.
Hey arent you a muslim?
Yes donate directly to a university or medical school. My grandmother’s body was donated to Stanford and she was carefully photographed and scanned to update their databases in the early 2000s. She’s actually help students learn!
But it's sad when it's use on the other way round
Yeah I don't have a problem with all this medical device stuff and I'm so down to get blown up! Kaboom! 💥
Didn't a persons grandma got exploded by a bomb by the military or something like that lol
@@pneumonianakey yeh
Uhm, from what I've read in the replies, you can better check if the US military didn't get their hands on your grammy...
I will donate my body to science, and on my gravestone will be written;
"Everyone said I'd never get in to medical school. Well, joke's on them."
bing chilling moment
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Genius sir
After our cadaver class in Germany the university fully payed for the funeral and the students organised a ceremony for the relatives. We assambled a choir and an orchestra, sang togather and created candles for each donor to express our gratitude. I think we always handled the donors' bodies with the utmost respect and I am extremly grateful for their sacrifice, YET I noticed that the donors would often come from lower income families, which leaves me with a weird feeling in my stomach, because this should not be a financial descision.
It shouldn't. That's really sad.
I'm glad students there learn to respect the donors and their families.
Cost of funeral is high, that might explain why the lower income families are more receptive to the donation offer
a lot of richness in this world is created by the poor
@@bonsang1073 Very True!
I’m a 30 year old kidney transplant recipient and I just want to say thank you for being an organ donor. People that make this choice can help people like me live a normal life and have a hope for a normal lifespan. I don’t think people truly understand the impact they can have on someone’s life just by checking that little box at the DMV.
Yep. It seems like such a small choice at the time. But it can be a life changing event for others.
I’m a med student from Germany and last year we studied the whole anatomy of a human body, so we’ve had one cadaver for about 20 students to learn from. The person who donated his body actually had to pay money for this so we know he wouldn’t do it against his will. And I believe it was a contract directly with my university, so none of his body parts could go anywhere else. Also after we finished we had a ceremony with the families and honour the people.
In my biology degree, I dissected cadavers. I was taught to honor the bodies, because they could be the grandparents of people we knew. We were never allowed to take pictures for our notes, because if a picture ended up on the internet and the family saw it, they would be instantly devastated. Cadavers are super important for medicine, but they are a privilege, and everyone must be respectful and ethical.
Yes I agree! His identity should’ve never been known to the public. No wonder there’s outrage. I have studied in college on cadavers and it’s important no one ever knows their name. We only figure out their occupation sometimes and their disease history. Also I don’t think people that aren’t serious about a certain field that involves these cadavers should even be allowed to come into the same room as them. I am a nursing major, I’m all for science and learning but there’s a certain sense of morality and adherence that should be proven to be allowed to access such important specimens in these sensitive matters.
It’s also illegal to take photos of full cadavers unless specific regulations apply while in a school. If the school finds out you took photos in medical school of a cadaver, it is grounds for dismissal and legal repercussions.
Ethics in modern medicine? Good joke.
Yep, the cadavers my anatomy department used were treated very respectfully. Everything about how the university treated them kept in mind the fact that they were human beings that gave us a wonderful gift.
@@runswithraptors its not ethics. Its called professionalism respect to the professionals
My sister is in 1st year med school, she told me, one day a man in tears showed up and he was donating his 21 year old son's body, all the med students gathered around and welcomed the body with flowers, soo.. yes in India we also respect and welcome the body, coz that's the source of knowledge.
Human organs trafficking is thriving in India, when you show a pros should show the cons as well, just saying.
Yeah let's go science
Yup in med College in India, the first day of anatomy class. The proff discusses about respecting the dead body / cadaver who will be teaching the students from today onwards. And photos aren't allowed bcs that's disrespectful.
I'm a medical student in the US at one of the few remaining schools to do full cadaver dissection during our anatomy training. We refer to them as our "first patient". It's a very respectful process of using the body to learn. There's great emphasis to treat the body with respect and to not speak ill of the body or use it for humor. We have a ceremony at the end of the year at a local cemetery where we invite the families and honor those that donated their bodies to further our education
Why do you say one of the few schools still doing full body dissection? What supplants the full body dissection?
@@porkbeans854 most schools use videos or picture slides of already dissected cadavers. They will supplement with textbooks and lectures as well. These show the anatomy pretty well, but it's not the real thing. Very few schools actually have students do the full dissection on cadavers. It's like 3-5 schools at this point
EXACTLY! We were working with cadavers in my class and a guy was poking it like for fun and the teacher was very mad and made them leave the room. You can’t even say a word without being penalized for it.
His identity should’ve never been known to the public. No wonder there’s outrage. I have studied in college on cadavers and it’s important no one ever knows their name. We only figure out their occupation sometimes and their disease history. Also I don’t think people that aren’t serious about a certain field that involves these cadavers should even be allowed to come into the same room as them. I am a nursing major, I’m all for science and learning but there’s a certain sense of morality and adherence that should be proven to be allowed to access such important specimens in these sensitive matters.
@@frenchfrythecool yes. A dissection is VERY different than a text book. Just like it’s different if your blind but you can hear, or you can see but you can’t smell and can only get a description. It’s much different. I think it’s terrible they don’t do full body dissections. I don’t get it, if your gonna use the body might as well not waste it and use the whole thing
When I die I intend to be donated to science, and while I hope fully that my body would be used in research and contribute to a finding or research of some sort.... I also don't care about the "respect" my body would be treated with, nor does the idea of my dead body being used to set up a joke make me vicariously uncomfortable. I would not care one bit whether or not my identity was kept hidden or any expectsted notion of respect given to my body. Those notions of respect are virtues for the living. I wouldn't care a single bit...because I'd be fucking dead lol. I would honestly hope that students or whomever got to use my cadaver had a bunch of fun using it and found it helpful for whatever they were using it for. The idea of being posthumously useful and helpful to students is a very nice thought that would make me happy, and while I would hope my body would be given the respect needed to get from it a long period of usefulness, I wouldn't want them to feel so uptight around my cadaver that they were afraid to have fun using my dead body
In the intro, the veteran, I can see his cap with the letter WW2 & Korea. He probably fought in the Korean war too.. feel so sad and deeply sorry for him as a Korean. He deserve much better respect… can’t believe it.
It is an amazing analogy of how we've cannibalized those we are indebted to.
Think about it, someone's entire future is irreversibly taken, lost to being in the service of the continuation of everyone else's sovereignty, liberty, that right to live out the potential that they themselves will never quite have again, because they are the ones who will have to shoot, be shot at, watch the human body be maimed in the most unspeakable ways, that we cannot imagine, because we didn't see it or hear it or feel it, what it's like to see someone looking back at you with the top of their head blown off, they're dead... But they were young. Someone you knew.
You can't come back from that and be the exact same person you could've been before experiencing your friend getting their brains splattered all over the ground, what you are after that isn't you anymore.
But it ought to be, if not reconcilable in any way, it ought to be bittersweet that a man loses himself in combat so that the world will be better, because he sacrificed himself all the same, even if he did survive, even if he still goes on to bring his suffering on others, that sacrifice is supposed to be an equivalent exchange where the loss of his own dignity is for the continuation of our own so that one day, man may not be selfish, bloody and despicable.
But after all that the veteran of a war has achieved or attempted,
That body is a fucking commodity.
The same as his experience was something to monetize, and his wellbeing was a service to perform at the lowest cost and for the highest return on investment.
Because that man probably didn't have a choice in whether or not his future possibilities were taken from him.
And we, delusional, disillusioned, who inherited his earth,
we can't imagine losing the money making opportunities.
Its heartwarming to know that other countries really give huge respect to the non-transplant body donors, like they treat them like a great teacher and actually giving respect from their families as well and give them a proper burial or cremation process. I wish more would do this instead of just treating the used body donors as waste and acknowledging how it help progress the medical science.
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As a Medical Student , I’m thankful for everyone who donates his body for science purposes, Medicine would’ve never got where is it today without these people. I hope others realize the great sacrifice these people make for us to learn and develop medicine and learn to respect them and their cadevars. They are our great teachers and that’s why we need to handle them with great care and respect.
If only people were actually considerate and not driven by greed
Cool :). I wonder which country you are from and is it true that all countries’ med schools have cadavers from other countries, I feel like this is just a First World market
“Body brokers” sound really disturbing. I lost trust a long time ago. I think when more people are aware of what is happening, sadly less people will be willing to donate for a good cause. Plus what’s to say what really happens to your body whether you consent or not.
@@NoBody-lb7fp i’m from Egypt and yes we get cadavers from other countries. Germany , USA mainly but also China , India and many other countries
training to be a memory-bot pathologist when every major medical problem in the world is preventable and caused by modern living conditions XD nice choice.
Really wholesome to know how donated bodies in different countries are given a respectful memorial in their own beautiful cultural way❤️
It was such a good way to wrap up the video
@Shivaditya Varman Many institutions in America have similar practices.
I like the American tradition of testing explosives on dead bodies better
@Shivaditya Varman lol thanks for running our call centers
@Shivaditya Varman when you get so used to different countries culture you don’t think it’s culture, guess I should say Europe has no culture ._.
Just a minor correction. Med students don’t practice hip replacements on cadavers. In fact, med student and most doctors do not ever practice hip replacements. Only orthopedics surgeons do, and they almost exclusively practice on live patients. It’s first done in residency through assisting and observing dozens and dozens of hip replacements, then performing a little bit under supervision, then with time a little more each case until the attending physician are confident that the resident can perform independent safely.
Now for new devices, or for a refresher course, yes cadavers are used. And it’s exclusively for fully trained attending physicians, and sometimes advanced practice nurses/PA’s who assist in surgery.
True:)
So that's why so many people get badly done hip replacements.
@@porkbeans854 actually, if you ever need surgery, please go to an academic center with residents. The attendings aren’t paid by the surgery and are instead on salary. In private practice, they over operate cuz of profit and choosing the wrong patients to operate on leads to bad outcomes (as opposed to other treatments like PT, injections, etc). Academic center are also much more ethical in treating patients and surgical attendings will not let bozo medical students become their residents. No, the residents aren’t operating by themselves. They do as much as the attending allows and they’re always scrubbed/hands in the body.
For post op if you’re in the hospital, academic centers will have a team residents supervise your care of you 24/7. So actual doctors. In a private hospital, there are little to no doctors in house (as they’re all at home asleep) and the nurses take care of you without any supervision. Take your pick.
@Crypto Lyndon ? I have no clue what you’re trying to say.
@Crypto Lyndon That's the kind of attention to detail I want from my doctors.
I've always wanted to donate my body also. But I wasnt aware of the other half you covered here.
I feel the same way you do, like being dissected on stage in front of non doctors or medical students, is not science, imo.
I appreciate how you covered how to make sure you will be used in the name of science.
Also, near the end, where you showed how other cultures and other parts of the world honored their dead donors, was really interesting!
They say if you sign up as a donor they're more inclined to let you pass if you have a life threatening issue
I remember going to Body works as a kid where partially autopsied cadavares were put on display in the O2 it was incredible and now 17yrs later I'm a doctor and have had the chance to advance my anatomical knowledge with dissection. I would definitely say the exposure taught me an incredible lesson and partially inspired my career trajectory
“I tried donating my body to science. They took a look at me and suggested donating it to science fiction.” - Rodney Dangerfield
r.i.p Rodney Dangerfield
@@houseplant1016 If he were here he'd probably say "Rest in peace? More like rest in pieces!"
wrong. The actual joke he made was _"the shape i'm in, i could donate my body to science fiction"_
@@korganrocks3995 Ah I miss the old fella
Jesus the level of depth you put into your videos my man, mad respect!
At my school (dental/medschool) in Canada, we had a little ceremony during our first lab honouring those who donated their bodies to teach us. We read words from their family members about who they were and what they were like. I was initially very worried about seeing dissected bodies for the first time, not knowing how I'd react, but after our ceremony I felt more comfortable and ready to learn from the amazing opportunity these people graciously gave me.
Wow, that`s really cool
My school does a similar thing, but at the end of the process. We have cadavers for a year, then host a funeral that all the students can attend to thank the people and families that made such an incredible donation to our learning.
"What's that smell?"
"Oh it's just our neighbour defrosting a human torso in his yard."
I think it’s pretty disgusting that these companies are making so much money off of these bodies while the families of the individuals who “donated” their bodies don’t get a dime.
If they offer money... most families will refuse to donate anymore, and the ones who donate will be the poor ones and we will say they exploit the poor...
Even in death, people will find ways to profit off your body parts without respect to their bodies. Truly sickening revelations in this video.
Edit: I was moved by the medical community's respect to the body donors. I was more pro-non transplant donation at the end as long as we properly vet the organizations that handle these bodies.
Capitalism moment
It shows how Americans view life and honestly they should be paying the people for your own body not the people talking them into it. Then you wouldn't need people to be talked into it as well.
Free market can be senseless and ruthless at times
BlackHoleOfTime Paying them? They’re dead. What are the dead going to use the money or their non-functioning body for?
You be suprised, the medical industry here is absolutely insane. The deeper you look the sicker it gets.
Re: tissue donation.... I was so badly flat-footed that I was basically walking on the insides of my ankles, which knocked my whole lower body out of alignment. I was on a path to need both knees and both hips replaced before I turned 40. Changing the shape of a *single* bone in each foot fixed the whole mess, but the procedure requires bone grafts, and bc of other health issues, I was a poor candidate for an autograft (aka, being my own donor by having some bone harvested from my pelvis). So yeah, cadaver bone donation saved me from a LOT of misery. I'm still a medical mess in other ways, but holy crap did my foot surgeries change my life. A lot of tissue donation doesn't exactly save people who are dying, like with most organ donation, but jfc it can make a difference.
And the only reason my grandmother has mechanical knees that allow her to walk instead of being in a wheelchair is because somebody profited off implanting mechanical knees into a dead leg and showed it off to s9me surgeons.
So yeah, painting that part as bad just because ppl make profit is crazy to me.
@@dustingaethje1332 agreed. i had to watch it twice to get that it was ambiguity when marketing that he had a problem with ("did shaun know that that's what science was defimed as?").
some people don't watch twice. or think about it well. thats tricky. they might walk away with a feeling of "profit makes it bad".
The profit part is bad though. Cutting human beings up into pieces by actual corporate monsters to profit off of is wrong despite any minute benefit someone else may or may not have received.
@@sarahalderman3126 I'd say the benefits to humans who are still living vastly outweigh any of the money involved.
People just see business and profit and instantly jump to hate on it without viewing it objectively.
@@dustingaethje1332 I agree, I think that teaching surgeons how to use new implants, which is a necessary part of selling new biomedical devices, is arguably continuing education. Maybe the broader issue is how companies will do this buy outdoing each other in treating doctors to fancy dinners and conventions at resort destinations and paying for first class travel. But that part of it that I hate has nothing to do with using a cadaver to demonstrate how new equipment works. Surgeons have to learn about new techniques and technologies all the time!
For anyone interested in the cut out bit, that guy sewed body parts onto different bodies like a woman's head onto a male torso. Some FBI investigators refused to return to the scene.
ugh yeah. its horrifying :(
do you have the link for the aricle?
@@nordpooli188 i think fcked up cases like that is probably infamous and easy to find on google
@@zumabbaryeah i already found it
@@nordpooli188 please share the link
Johnny, each and every subject you cover is so incredibly well presented. You’re videos are intriguing, informative and thought provoking regardless of topic. You’re in depth investigative journalism surpasses that of main stream media not only in factual content but in explanation to the common man. You sir, shall win a Pulitzer. It is an extreme pleasure to view your content and I look forward to it! Thank you!
I'm a neuroscience student in the Netherlands and last semester my fellow students and I had the privilege to dissect a human brain as part of our Neuroanatomy course. While there was no ritual honoring the donors (maybe med students do that here?) similar to the ones shown in the video, I just remembered feeling extremely grateful for the learning opportunity I was provided by the I believe 80-year-old man who wished students to study and learn from, effectively, his remains. Next semester I'll be a student assistant for that exact same course because it was just that fascinating. When I die, I will also donate my body to (legit) science!
As a heart transplant recipient, I want to thank you for explaining the difference between these two situations and for advocating for organ donation.
Many people are waiting for organs and it’s really important that these horrific commercial practices are not associated with organ donation. Thank you for that.
Here in Switzerland, we just voted Yes on an initiative saying that every dead person automatically becomes an organ donor unless they themselves state otherwise while still able to. It will be another two years at least before this will be incorporated into the law, but it was fascinating to see how high the general approval was!
i truly wish the U.S. political processes are more like Switzerland's
edit: i'm saying this as an American
@Crypto Lyndon Some might say it's even crazier to treat the lifeless remains of a human as sacrosanct, as if the mind which formerly inhabited it could possibly be aware, let alone in objection to, that human corpse being recycled to keep presently living humans alive and healthy.
If we applied the same logic to mundane objects, we'd have... well, pretty much an iPhone. An extremely expensive thing that lasts until the first thing stops working, before it is relegated to being put on a shelf for a while, and eventually buried. The very idea of replacing a part with one from a broken phone would be taboo.
Imagine disrespecting the memories of that phone, and the emotional bond between it and its owner.
Yeah, you may have intuited that I'm not the religious type. I wouldn't say Switzerland was crazy even if there wasn't an easy way to opt out. It's simply a change in the default state, with anybody concerned enough about the integrity of their already decaying flesh golem able to have their way, too.
@@HavokTheorem I hope you really don't compared an iphone to a human body.
@@HavokTheorem I can't believe what I'm reading
That would go left really quick in the US.
Again, what an amazing content you've made Johnny. This is how journalism should be. Keep it up!
The fact that we get free videos on UA-cam by Johnny Harris is truly a gift. 👍👍👍
This is one of many reasons why I am considering opting out of donating my body for science and organ donations. There is a disturbing incentive to kill/be negligent/whatever for organs, and any system that does so needs *airtight* reputation. You cannot afford to breach trust of this, and this is just one of many examples. People will die because of breaches of trust, but thats the price of abusing this system from greed or whatever other reason people have.
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Reminds me of the American "Body Works" knock off.
People started enquiring where the bodies came from. Leading to some very dark stones being unturned.
Interesting
Interesting seeing you here :o
Don't you dare start getting ideas of selling 162 Parts >:(
@@armablign It's not so bad.
Wait what? Which is the legit body works?
So important to talk about this in general- because the people who need to hear this are making a really difficult decision at an emotional and challenging time- they're probably not in the right place to do due diligence :(
Grandmother donated her body to Tulane Medical School who in turn sold the body to Department of Defense. There was a major class action suit years ago.
Omg was she the one that got blown up
That is just inhumane.
Wow, I was not prepared for the sudden shift into an unexpectedly wholesome tangent. Of all the things we can do after we die, saving lives and teaching people how to do so has to be one of the best.
the level of professionalism on your material combined with your fantastic delivery makes your channel a great source of information. Well done Johnny !
It's wonderful how a body in science is treated around the world. Meeting the family, having a memorial etc. Their respect for the dead, amplifies my respect for them.
Thank you for this video, very well done.
At my medical school, we have dinner with the family members of those who donated their body to science. There's also a ceremony at a monument dedicated to the donators. They also receive the ashes of the deceased afterwards. It was an amazing learning experience and I am grateful for the opportunity they gave us
In Canada I believe you can only donate directly to a university. I've searched before for my own donation because as a healthcare student, it was so important being able to study gross anatomy.
Anatomy is an important sub genre of *_"Gross"_*
Same here in the uk.but sometimes they refuse the body if its typically an old person because they have so many thst age , they prefer younger corpses.tbh im not religious so i dont care whats done to my body, dogs can eat me.
Universities are pretty picky on the bodies they take - I have also looked into body donation in Canada, but due to health conditions I don't expect anywhere to take my body when I'm done with it.
Thanks!
This is hands down one of the best videos i have ever seen on youtube. Some of this i was aware of, but I also learned a lot of new things. As a licensed esthetician i can work in a morgue; while in school getting my hours to be licensed I filled all my extra time with mortuary science. It's always been a fascination with me.
I remember a case in a country where I went where a little boy was abducted and opened. His organs were stolen, he was later sealed quickly and dumped along the road. Thank you for bringing it up! Hopefully technology like 3d printers will solve this inhumanity.
T UT
Hehe. Depends on the price.
If its cheaper to get the body part from a "prison on death row"...
@@arnowisp6244 Arno Wisp, doesn't sound bad to me, dead people are no people at all and I think we can strip them of their bodies for the greater good, they're dead anyways
please add a warning b4 Your comment just like Johnny did; and yes I also have high hopes for 3D-printed organs.
@@jakobmoiirers_jmoii Seriously? Warning before comment. I hate this liberal indoctrination
Hey Johnny, medical and graduate student (MD-PhD) in the US who took and taught anatomy at a top-ranked school.
Definitely donate through a university/medical school if that is what you want.
Also wanted to let you know - in my particular school, cadavers and their bodies are treated very respectfully by both faculty and medical students, and we have a body donor ceremony at the end of our anatomy course where we get a chance to meet the family members of some of our body donors if they so choose, similar to some other countries you’ve mentioned. Happy to elaborate more or to connect you with people who know much more as well.
I’m also an immigrant, so I know the situation with medical education and cadavers in my home country (Russia), and it’s, shall I say, very different.
In Belgium, all body donations are regulated by the government and the EU. Because of this, you have to choose the university to which you want to donate your body AND it can be exclusively be used for medical scientific research. No body brokers, no millions in profit.
but what is america if you can’t make money off anything and everything. is it even america if brokers aren’t profiting off something?
Sadly in the US making money is the most important thing to way too many people in the government for this to ever happen
Also those same people villianize the government and act like the "free market" wouldn't do awful horrible things, despite evidence over and over because they're paid by owners of these businesses
And uni are corrupt too lol
whether corpse is used for entertainment or medical studies shouldnt be matter. its not alive.
this video made my decision to never use my dead body for science easy.. thanks for exposing this industry
True, good, 20 minutes video that are well edited and have interesting and well backed information is getting rare these days on UA-cam… You do a great job of separating UA-cam from TikTok.
Yes. As a scientist it is really hard to procure normal tissue. When we want to compare with disease tissue, normal tissue is a good parameter to have. Usually we need to use the 'normal' section from the disease tissue. Which less than ideal.
maybe stop wasting time studying things that dont matter
@@emvv3784 not sure where u going for on this but what sort of study is matter then? I do cancer research and most people appreciate the field (but cannot appease everyone) 😅. And I get paid to 'waste time' as u said.
Usually, the tissue that we requested are only 1mm3 to 1cm3 for pathology and not the whole organ. Donation to biobank or research uni is good nonetheless, because scientist need to go through a lengthy ethical approval process 🥲😭.
I may be guilty of doing all this for fun but it is to deepen our knowledge in science.
@@emvv3784 so what do you study?
@@patriciaanais9175 Prolly UA-cam
@@daisuke910 i heard that people that goes to medical school like that (already expensive) is also had to bought the body for themselves at an expensive cost ? why ? when the donatur is willing to donate his body for free
is it because the maintenance costs of the dead body ? and the delivery ?
im just curious because you said you are a scientist
Honestly, i am absolutely proud of this man.. his works are totally top notch in all aspects.. "the best in UA-cam" wouldn't be an overstatement.. the coverage this man gives is insane and the documentaries are fantastic to say the least.. always hoping to see a notification that says this guy's name.. nothing but love from my end.. had to say this because i couldn't hold my appreciation any longer.. much love and thank you Johnny.. you really are a gem..
I always love the dorky “Johnny looks at papers intensely” b-roll.
On some videos i think there is too much tbh.
As a medical student we cannot thank the bodies donated by the people voluntarily after death so we could learn so much. That’s such a noble thing to do!
I gotta be meta and say WOW! the animations in this video were really great! Props to you and the team
I'm lucky enough to have been born in a relatively wealthy country to a relatively wealthy (or at least comfortable) family, so I will never be able to understand how difficult it must be to sell your body organ just to pay off debt. I sincerely wish we all could do something to stop this misery.
@easyHistory remember me when your dad left with the milk, because i was the milk
@@justanexpressionlessguy2167 sheesh dude
if you won't sell it
they might steal it
it has nothing to do with wealth
Just cashapp me help the poor
You don't get money to pay off debt, they just pay for the cremation
Hi :) I am an anatomy lecturer in the UK and I just want to reassure any UK audience that this absolutely does not happen here. It is heavily regulated by the government and there is STRICT parameters we must follow (The Human Tissue Act, 2004). Respect for our donors is the most important thing to us and therefore only uses that truly train health care students and surgeons are permitted, none of which is for profit.We teach entire module sections on the ethics of best practice.
The idea of shipping body parts to companies and body brokers truly had my jaw on the floor. We cannot advertise that we accept donations, people must come to us. So generally word of mouth travels from students who have seen how the bodies are treated in their practical classes and are therefore happy for family members to consider donating themselves.
We also consider them to be the "silent teachers' and the annual memorial for our donar where all the families and friends are invited to a ceremony to commemorate and thank them for their support and the students can offer their gratitude.
As a medical-student I am extremely grateful to the people who donated their bodies for us to dissect and learn on, especially since at my school you still have to pay approx. $1100 for your own funeral afterwards. It was such an integral part of pre-clinical medical training, that I believe can just not be replicated with plastic models or virtual dissection.
These people allow us to become good doctors, and deserve all the respect and honor!
Dude your videos are so thought inspiring and deep. I really appreciate being able to learn from your studies about things I don't get contact with all the time. Thank you for helping me be a more well rounded individual
My brother passed away a few weeks ago unexpectedly from a pulmonary embolism. He died in our hometown in northern Maryland, was transported to Johns Hopkins in Baltimore was emptied of all of his organs and tissue that they needed and was back in our hometown at the funeral home being processed in less than 12 hours. It was actually pretty crazy. I don't know how true this is but I've heard people say that some medical institutions will overstep boundaries by removing organs from non-consenting people or even prematurely starting the process for people that aren't dead yet.
I am at a US medical school, my anatomy professor was telling us the body's in the lab will be more darker skin than we are used to seeing because majority are from India. She said they get bodies from the street of poor people who have no families and export it to the west. I thought it was so sick that you can import bodies from poorer foreign countries.
really, it's so bad ! India has large population and many are poor. So, injustice against them is common.
What 😳
Horrible. I had heard local homeless people were often used but importing poor people is next level
Which makes you wonder… where are all the missing black children… here in America… black lived don’t matter… no where on this planet..,
Theres also illegal human/organ trades capture poor children for their parts
At my university they held a memorial service every couple of years for the people who donated their bodies.
Also, in the UK we have this thing called the Human Tissues Act, because it turned out some hospitals were keeping bits of human tissue without consent (it’s a lot worse than it sounds), so a law was passed that makes it extremely difficult to buy and sell human tissue without lots of very expensive regulation. It stopped students and doctors being able to buy skulls and other bones like they could before 2003, but it also stopped dodgy practices of keeping people’s organs for study without getting consent from the patient/their family
I loved the way how you managed to reconcile a journalistic investigation with rising awareness on organ and body donation. You did it again. Love your channel Johnny 🙌🏼
Im a plastic and reconstructive surgeon doing a fellowship in Taiwan. Just last week I went for the cadaver workshop that was mentioned here. It was a truly humbling and beautiful experience. I have operated on cadavers before in India but the level of respect that they show for the 'silent mentors' (thats what they call the cadavers here) and their families was very touching
Really great editing, and love how much research you put in your videos!!
Please look into the history of better help they are a very dodgy company especially for a mental health org.
- The primary issue was better help not vetting job applicants so non professionals were providing “help” in a highly specialised field on people with real health needs
Yes!
I don't even want to know what can be found on Johnny's Google search history!
I'd love to share this with our seniors who I feel are some of the most at risk in being mislead or taken advantage of. I love your investigations and how level headed you try to remain when presenting the material. I appreciate your professionalism soo much!
during my very first anatomy cadaver class during my first year in medical college, our anatomy professors and lecturers really drilled it into our head that the cadaver is a teacher greater than our profressor, so whatever respect we have for our profressor, always show more than that to the cadavers and never ever play, poke or pull when not needed. we as young 17-18 years old were obviously so spooked out looking at a dead body for the first time but our lecturer always encouraged us to be near and touch them so we get used to it. by the end of two years of anatomy classes we learned sm from those two cadavers.
The medical school I attended was at a teaching major medical university in Chicago and we cadavers were retired they held a funeral/celebration of life for each body and this was taken extremely seriously by all. Additionally, respecting the bodies while in cadaver lab was very much emphasized and I never once witnessed anyone being anything but respectful. We only had full body cadavers and if we were not learning about a part/system then it was to be covered etc. Also quite a few of the cadavers were long-time patients of the hospital system who donated their bodies so we were acutely aware that these are human beings that decided to do something selfless and not just "learning tools"
Here in Switzerland at the University of Zürich we have a big funeral for all the body donors which the medical students learned from. The families of the deceased and the students come in touch this way and it's a beautiful ceremony in a big church near campus.
Here's my problem - if there's so much money and even science people have to pay a lot to these body brokers, why is a royalty not paid to the designated successor of that person? Why is that not legal?
It seems like body brokers have almost no cost to procure but earn lot from renting them.
We could ran into problem where family member will make cadaver of their relative a profitable enterprise.
@@MarcelinoDeseo True, that's why it has to be pre-selected by the owner before death. Suicide also not allowed.
do you really think you could accept such a money coming from the body of your loved ones being disected ? No one with a sane mind will accept this.
This is what bothered me so much about it. If the “body brokers” are making so much money why is it a donation on behalf of the person whose body it is? Why is it even presented to them this way?
So sick.
I know someone who dropped out of med school in the 70's in disgust after an autopsy class with a real cadaver had darts thrown at said cadaver by students. Always made my a chill go down my spine thinking about it!
Edit: University was in Australia
We all do stupid things, it was probably a groupmechanism of who is tougher/braver.
@@houseplant1016 nice way to excuse psychopathy
@@BeHappyTo yeah or borderline cult behaviour
Sounds about right considering my experience with doctors
@@BeHappyTo I Amsterdam.
I work in automotive (braking software), and I’ve heard we are indirectly affecting the organ donation market. Since vehicles are getting safer and safer, there are less people “donating” organs.
Woah
"Human body deserves respect". Thankyou Jhonny. You're brilliant.
One simple way to improve the system would be that when you sign the donation papers you go through the different uses for your body and sign for the ones you are okay with. This has to be regulated to make sure that it's all above board and honest of course. This is obviously not perfect but it is at least deobfuscate the industry and allows for affirmative consent in the process.
This! I heard of a man who donated his body to science and that ended up being the science of testing how new bullets blow up a head. Everyone knows damn well that's not the kind of science people donate their body for
"Don't talk to me, your profession disgusts me"
"Sir, I'm serious about this offer, you can help millions"
"Still won't shut up, you want a piece of me?"
"Why yes as a matter of fact I do"
The section about other countries really made me feel like we're all just following our beliefs
Thailand: Buddhism
Austria: Christianity
USA: ✨Capitalism✨
They actually have ceremonies for cadaver’s families at medical schools in the US too; he just didn’t mention it.
When I was in college, we had cadavers in the anatomy lab that were used for quizzes and tests. We had two cadavers that were replaced every two years, alternating between the two (ie one in fall 2018 and then the other in fall 2019). I got the opportunity to do an internship after taking anatomy where I and a few other students dissected the new cadaver to prepare it for the anatomy lab students.
There were a lot of rules in place regarding the cadavers. They tested them obviously to ensure there was no risk of infectious diseases, but we weren’t allowed to take any photos of the cadavers, and any tissues (mostly skin and fat) that were removed were placed into a special waste bin and when the cadaver was returned for cremation, all of those tissues went with it. That way as much of the body was returned as possible. Once returned and cremated, the organization would hold a memorial ceremony for the families of the deceased. It was all and extremely respectful process and it gave students like me a great opportunity to learn from a real human body.
It’s really upsetting to me therefore that there are companies that mislead people and treat their bodies with such disrespect. What someone chooses to have done with their remains after their death is sacred and should be honored. The fact that human beings are treated as mere props is simply disgusting.
US Medical Student here,
Many schools, including my own, have similar ceremonies to honor the lives of those who donated their bodies.
We had a ceremony to which families of donors where invited and students performed music and readings and families shared stories of their loved ones. It was a really meaningful way to honor those lives and also give closure to the family.
Hey Johnny - there's over a thousand comments on this one already so chances are you won't see this, but I work for the UK equivalent to an OPO.
We're a special division of the NHS and I'm part of a really small team who allocate organs for transplant across the UK- the bridge between donation and transplant essentially.
If you ever want a detailed walkthrough of the whole process from within, I'd be happy to chat.
Also thanks for touching on the fact that you have to be in the ITU to donate your organs, it's not a well known fact.
Johnny Harris has this remarkable ability to present really interesting content in a way that makes me want to learn more and also make me hate everything
fan since the vox days. you're one of the most important journalists in the game. keep going. appreciate this video topic a lot
A scandal shown up a few years ago about the body donor department in the biggest medical university of Paris, Paris-Descartes. The bodies were disrespected by the operators and poorly maintained, because of rats and the freezers being regularly down and unmaintained. Some bodies parts were sold to black market by the operators. A witness described the department as a charnel house and journalists work shown that this situation exists and has been described to the authorities for at least 30 years.
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So glad you’ve addressed this issue. I was going to sell my body to science. But you convinced me, not a good idea at all. And Johnny, thx for taking off your wool sweater.
As a training doctor that’s learned from cadavers, I can confirm that they provide an incredibly valuable learning experience. We treat the bodies with respect and appreciate the donors
98 year old man probably looking at us in the afterlife thinking "honestly i'm not even surprised"
Wow! It's the topic no one dares to dig deeper into. It's repulsive, yet we should know about it more. Thanks John for your courage!
Unfortunately a friend of mine had this happened to, her son had passed away and a year later they found his body parts in Texas from a funeral home that wad suppose to cremate him instead he sold his body for cadaver
Until the very last seconds of a very long video.
It's 25 minutes, Johnny!
Appreciate you for putting in the time and effort to convey this message in such a short amount of time.
Im a nurse and I've had several pts donate their brains to science. We were instructed that when they die we had to put the head on ice immediately. My great grandmother also a nurse donated her entire body to science. And im an organ donor. I believe in helping the future generations in the name of science. However I agree with you on the WW2 veteran. Great video!
Thank you for covering this subject, I had concerns that honestly held me back from signing up to be a donor. But those concerns have largely been assuaged, so I have now signed up as a donor with my state.
In Switzerland we just recently had a public vote on switching our organ donor policy where opt-in, as in being a donor, is going to be the default.
I stumbled upon your video thinking that it will be a similar case to what happened in France a few years ago called the "Paris Descartes Charnier scandal". Around 2018, students at Descartes University in Paris started complaining about a strong decomposition smell and what looked like human bodies in the hallways of the basement. it was later found out that the bodies that were "donated to science" for students and doctors to dissect were not even kept in a functioning refrigerated morgue and they were soaking in their bodily fluids. Apart from that the investigation unraveled that the bodies were severely mishandled (students playing with the body parts, limbs sold on the market...). Sadly in this case it happened within the premises of a university and till this day we do not have all the information about it.
You’re incredibly talented, and you’re one of my favorite journalists. Please keep doing what you’re doing 🙏
I was an anatomist and anatomical researcher in a past life. This has always been a concern of mine. While I worked strictly in academia, about 10 years ago we were buying and trading cadavers at around $10K each, albeit to other academic institutions. The price is probably close to double that now. However if we ran out of cadavers, we had to buy from these slightly shady businesses.
At the time there was a lot of controversy with the 'body worlds' exhibits too. While educational, they weren't completely educational. There are definitely a few exhibits there that are just there to look cool, plus the sourcing of those bodies were questionable.
My cousin is currently doing his residency but during his studies he told us that often they’d have to use bodies that weren’t claimed, but also sometimes in the middle of autopsy it would be identified and claimed and a giant set of stitches left in the body as they gave it back to their families.
Slightly Shady???? is that your justification?, they're only "slightly shady" so lets give em a pass!
Past life?? What
My grandma donated her body to science. You paint a wildly different picture than we experienced. The med students that practiced with her body held a ceremony in her honor that the family attended
this guy is just flashy and tarding up a shock value story so he can get more views on youtube.
@@myon- that's not true this stuff really happened. It's in news articles. Unethical practices r horrible & disrespectful. U shouldn't shame ppl for standing up for the truth.
I guess it helps if the family of the dead was at the donation ceremony. I don't think anyone would mean to or dare disrespect then.
@@tehreemkhurrum5884 It's painted as a common occurrence. Which it isn't. If it happens in .001% of all cadavers, it shouldn't be actively used as a means to discourage something.
@@SuperCatacata He actually said that at the end of the video, saying it's not common, but it does happen sometimes. He encouraged to still donate your body, and gave out the best methods how to do it. People didn't watch the whole video
I feel like the concept that human bodies can become property due to capitalism is horror beyond anything I could ever imagine. It looks like other countries that don't do this for profit actually treat their bodies with respect and humanity. Profit truly is the source of all evil in this world. Private property is theft.
Which electronic device did you type this comment on? Do you possess it yourself?
@@bunnystrasse oh cute someone who doesn’t understand the difference between private property and personal property, how fun
@@Ginarrbrik11 with the advent of remote work and the internet, your electronic device can also be your private property, and your means of production. 🙃
@@Ginarrbrik11 by the way, I feel that your comment is relative.
SHOULD human bodies be private property? Why not? For example, in some religious beliefs, your body contains a soul. When you die, that soul leaves. The body remains and is just a material container for your soul. It rots and biodegrades. The soul is eternal. Your view of the world is thus very materialist.
Profit is not the source of all evil. Profit also motivates people to do great things, not just evil things. Therefore, the idea of profit is pretty much amoral - it depends on the morals of humans who choose to respond to and act upon the incentives.
And how is private property “theft” in this case á la human bodies?
I love it when I fall asleep with autoplay on and end up waking up at some random channel being thanked for reaching the end of the video, 100% rewatched it though, interesting channel might watch more.
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