Why Mordhau Died (raw & real from former pro)
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
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Dragging video: • Dragging: Melee's Dirt...
Chamber video: • Should Strike Chambers...
Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:34 - Melee games are popular
01:45 - PvP isn't?
04:05 - Stouty is to blame
05:58 - Gameplay
06:30 - No SDK
07:09 - No anti-cheat?!?
08:06 - You are to blame
08:31 - Crush vs Comp Scene
09:45 - AFK devs
10:45 - What's next? - Ігри
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Other videos I mentioned:
Dragging video - ua-cam.com/video/1PqlYV1veEY/v-deo.html
Chamber video - ua-cam.com/video/-Zx9TNrvfqU/v-deo.html
Can't wait to learn more of your Contingent game!
we silence ourselves in wait
in eternal wait for the salvation
every night we shall pray
pray for the patchie's arrival
@Clors Miksvent No problem, good luck with your game!
But you were afraid to ft10 a level 42 a real level 42 so what makes you a good coach
Dude you are still playing this game nonstop tho wtf is up with former
Literally on top of scoreboard
"what i wanna know is how a group of competitive chivalry players got together and made a first person melee slasher, for casuals" -Giru, 2019
good question
Casuals is where the money comes from, most those people actually work jobs. Now if only they learned how to capitalize on that.
@@figgypudding6277 having decent amount of varied content is a great way to keep them around
@@drooskie9525 casuals parasites? ok champ
These two game(mordhau and chiv2) each failed in one aspect one has a huge massive learning curve and the other just has none
So in my opinion the next natural evolution is a freetoplay fp slasher that is easy to learn and hard to master just like csgo
The entire competitive scene: plays 5v5
Triternion: let's release a 3v3 ranked mode
I don't think adding 5v5 would have saved the game anyway
the mode died 3 weeks after its release cuz there's barely enough players to sustain it and you think the mode being 5v5 and requiring 10 people to que instead of 6 would have made a difference?
@@Kalinik. comp players would play and keep the comp scene alive + there would be an actual workign ranking system
@@zon4907 you don't get it. You're speaking of comp like its some big scene waiting for the proper game mode when in reality its 200 monkeys whose number doesn't mean jack shit for anything especially casual since no one gives a fuck about "comp" except the 200 people circle jerking each other in private skm.
@@Kalinik. it would allow the comp players to paly each other and the casuals to play each other due to an actual ranking system that places people in their skill group. Theres no comp players left bcus there was no comp scene except for private skms.
seeing what despa has done with his mods and map design its insane that the dev team dont just listen to him
I only play mordhau for the modded content, I have accumulated over 1.5k hours but pubs aren’t enjoyable anymore because of the skill gap I have on players. However mordhau devs don’t even cooperate with modders such as providing information of how a patch is going to disable a mod (Star Wars mod for example). Until SDK drops for mordhau, I don’t see a future of me playing it.
Two words: Crush and Ego.
I only play to dress up my 14th century barbie. I wish they didn't drip feed you gold, I have 150 hours and only have maybe 1/6 of the cosmetics.
I don't need an 11 minute video to explain why Mordhau died when I can just say "crush is one of the devs"
It actually blows my mind how sh*t Crush is. I don't even play Mordhau anymore. Haven't for a while, but I haven't heard of a single dev holding a game back and actively making it worse in a long time....
@@Caminator42 what about ea?
they just need to add in-game voice chat and all streamers will start playing it
Context?
@@wolfkanji crush is bad
It's sad to see how Mordhau fell off.
After patch 19 everyone would think they'd be able to get the ball rolling and release more good patches, but instead all we got were undelivered promises, a handful of cosmetics and changes nobody asked for...
Dude, GeneralSam called it years ago.
Mordhau would peak right before glitching(the chivalry kind) happaned, then it would immediately start to die once that disparity between experienced and new players happened.
@Sneed's Feed n' Seed this but unironically. Every fight should be a neutral, stationary riposte battle till one person gets stammed. Only after they remove slow of sword hacks will the game regain its players.
Fat chance with crush as one of the devs
and did not need
yee.. patch 22 was the last nail in the coffin for me (and many others)
It is a huge disappointment to see Mordhau going down the drain like this because I have never had a game give me the highs and lows of mordhau. How it feels to duel and beat someone you weren’t able to before and that feeling of real improvement in your skill and abilities.
I also enjoy the comical aspect of the game, running around and just generally having laughs with random people on.
Great content stout good luck with contingent.
Cheers
Lmao gaaaay
not really, probably a good thing
@Louis Osmany exactly. I remember joining a ffa server and I grinded on it from lvl 20-lvl 70 and still play it sometimes at lvl 150. Still see some of the same people from when I started as a shitter and I even passed most of them in skill by now
yee but i feel the skill cap is so insanly high that you have to really dedicate to it to get anything out of it and i have a job. time is somthing i dont have. I also just will never get into the habit of waiting to block. i register self defence in the first nanoframe of an attack and i am INCREDIBLY instictive and have beaten reaction into my skull in preperation for a real fight. Meaning that when i block for my .5 seconds i take that hit. I am already registering your attack the moment you hit a button and reacting to it, but in this game that kills you. I gotta fight myself to wait 1 second to then block.
Crush : "nO oNe WaNtS tO pLaY cOmP"
Crush's team: (No substantial casual content in years)
Doesn't even make sense either because hard-core comp players are the only ones sticking around
I think the actual gameplay loop becomes boring after a while. I really tried to put in the hours and become super competitive and at some point I was at a relatively decent level (Diamond in ranked) but the game was simply not fun and satisfying enough for me in the long run.
It becomes really repetitive... this might have to do with the lack of a decent gamemode but I think the combat itself is also flawed in some way.
On top of that the competitive community in Mordhau is super toxic. I've been playing games competitively for the last 15 years (including Chivalry) but Mordhau was really a new low in terms of childish behavior and overall negativity, especially towards new or less skilled players.
So all these things considered it's no surprise to me that the game is dying.
I was in the same boat in terms of the gameplay loop. I cant get over the amount of feinting and the constant "looking off to the side of your opponent" so then your sword hitbox can hit them in a certain way that would normally miss. I'm all for a challenge in video games, but when the meat and potatoes is just football juking each other like you're in a highschool hallway with everyone using two-handed weapons to make the most of their whirling side cuts, it really just.. makes me wonder why i even bother. When I could go play Hellish Quart and actually be able to visually keep track of real-world HEMA maneuvers and techniques. Or just go play bannerlord and be content with its simpler 4 directional combat.
@@jackmiddleton7944 or maybe people just don't like playing with dickheads
@@jackmiddleton7944 wow, you really can't think even a meter ahead of you at a time.
@@jackmiddleton7944 Your name and comment already proves the ops point
Mordhau all chat taught me god is dead and we killed him
mordhau has so much potential, so sad too see the devs not listen to the community.
bro they did go to the discord u can talk with them
they listen to the wrongs parts of the community
@Alba Corvus they should listen to reddit even more and remove slow sword hacks
@@rom92i and then they ban you for criticism of their current doings... Really funny pal... They dont listen.
@@bobafett9348 okay sry i didn't know this
Sad times, OCE died fully a month ago, only 1/2 a pub server up during peak friday times, same old faces every time, 10 people on 1 duel server. Same old same old. Man, this was my favourite game ever literally the only game i played through late hs/ uni.
RIP Mord. Long live Contingent.
Yeah I'll miss OCE Mordhau, community could've maybe lived it out a lot longer if we had better community management for our section of the scene, but even the grinders can grind no more. I can't muster up the excitement to participate in the next tournie, it's just... not fun anymore. Which sucks because Mordhau imo will go down as one of my favorite games of all time and really shows how much promise there is for the melee genre, I really hope I will see more melee games come out in the next couple of years so I can still live up the dream of being a pro melee sworder as a career lmao
True!
@@ShellahFellah eX really destroyed the comp scene in OCE imo.
Just got off playing a full frontlinr match, and there were multiple duel servers. It has a low player count, but it's not dead
You’re right, they definitely could have made more of an effort with the competitive side of the game. That alone could have kept the player-base going.
Personally I think that the game’s combat was fundamentally frustrating and therefore I never really got into the competitive side of things, despite having leaned towards the competitive side way back in AOC and then Chivalry. I suppose I just expected something better from a new entry to the genre than improved Chivalry combat. I was definitely disappointed when I realised that the combat was pretty similar (drags, feints, and animation distortion being the core competitive gameplay mechanics). I suppose it makes sense knowing the game was created by competitive Chivalry players.
I’m not meaning to offend competitive players here. I’ve seen some people who are godlike at this game and the amount of skill that takes blows my mind. But I still think the combat is fundamentally frustrating and flawed to a lot of people, and this definitely contributed to player loss. When I watch your videos, for example, it’s really impressive how well you can play the game, but the game looks awful when it’s reduced to fish-eyed FOV with the combat mostly being an endless series of feints and drags.
I actually tend to agree with you when you say that the Melee Slasher genre could rival the FPS genre. If you look at cinema as an example, the most popular movies and TV shows that centre around combat are usually melee based. Movies like Star Wars and Dune are set in outer space for fuck sake, but would not be nearly as fun without the melee aspect. It’s seen as more personal and skilful. It’s romanticised about and people like it for that reason.
Conversely, the most popular games these days are shooters, and I don’t think that is some sort of anomaly. I think it’s simply because nobody has gotten melee combat right yet. We need something with the depth of side-scrolling fighting games like Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat etc. but with the ability to scale it up to multiple opponents in an interactive 3D world. It’s a massive challenge, but I think whoever does it first is going to print money. Nobody has got it yet, that’s for sure. Not Mordhau and definitely not Chivalry 2, which was just uninspiring in every regard.
I really hope you bring us something exciting and different with Contingent.
What Mordhau did get right (and the reason I have continued to play it to this day despite finding the combat lacklustre) is the chaos and hilarity of the medieval setting. The voice lines, the depth of customisation, the weapons and siege equipment, and the interactive parts of maps makes for a really fun experience. People love that, and speaking as somebody who represents the more casual side of Mordhau, Triternion absolutely failed to keep that fire burning too. We needed more content.
Myself and many others have said numerous times that we would have happily paid money for a content expansion pack, or even for micro transactions that increased available content. What we got instead was tiny content patches that were spread far too thin to keep players interested.
I don’t really know what has went on behind the scenes at Triternion, but if I was to speculate, I don’t think they expected the game to do as well as it did. I think they were vastly underprepared to keep it going beyond release. I think they enjoyed the initial success too much, and failed to reinvest the money earned into making more content for the game.
All that's left now is the competitive players who are insanely skilled at a combat system that's too frustrating to attract new players, and memers who don't care about combat anyway. Triternion continues to disappoint both types of player.
well said
I agree, it's sad to see the state that Mordhau is in right now
I couldn't agree more with you! It's always so great to see you in game every now and again doing funny stuff too Deargrigh. it always brightens my day and I'm sure it does for many others too, as well as watching your UA-cam content matey ⚓
What I'm trying to say is, thank you? These dung covered peasants won't do the simplest of things.
How to improve casual by a memer
1. Add Rainbow siege style matchmaking where all new players will get matched up
2. Bite the bullet and let people set up private servers for free so they can 1v1 and train and play with friends. The friend system is terrible
3. Make the game more like COD. Why there isn't search and destroy, proper domination, hardpoint, and capture the flag is beyond my speculation. Frontline is an absolute joke for casual team mode unless you want to meme. It's essentially every man for himself unless someone decides to be a hero.
4. Literally just add some paid dlc and stop trying to be a "pure indie" studio. People need to make money to keep the game alive and not trying to even market anything is a disaster. I would pay right now for a Rome pack 100% immediately
5. Release for consoles WITH cross play. Idc what anybody says, if these things were added and had a stable casual base, the skill ceiling wouldn't matter as much if more people were just having fun not worried about winning
@@TheArrowsmith Thanks mate, I really appreciate that. It has honestly been such a pleasure being able to make you guys laugh on this little adventure that has been Mordhau! I'll keep trying my best to create content but I completely feel Stouty's pain too and I don't blame him for hanging up his hat.
I quit Mordhau because it was impossible to have fun. I have about a hundred hours in the game and am quite decent. A few months back (when I played actively) I would consistently get top 3 of my team, but there were always problems.
A problem, for instance, was the amount of high level players increasing dramatically, and the techniques that they used. Drags that blocked out the sun, accels faster than light, stuff like that. I understand that this is normal for a game, high level players will always be a thing and I can live with that. The problem was the fact that nearly no new players rolled in and stayed long enough to get good. I was lucky to put in about 30-40 hours when the game came out, so I had some muscle memory and practice before I took a years long break. When I came back, I got rolled for a bit but I quickly got back on track and was able to keep up. For new players who had to start off with these level 100+ players running around, this must have been horrible.
I tried helping and coaching some people, giving them tips, but none of these people stuck around long. Like you said, only the highest level sweatlords remain, no new players are coming in. The tutorial is a joke, drags are a joke, and overall the game is a joke. I wish Crush wasn't such a fucking pleb, I wish the game could just be revived, but I fear it's too late. I had my fun with it, and a lot of it, but this game is dead for casual players.
Put in 2k plus hours uninstalled like 5 months ago probably the best move I made with mordhau. Lol sad but true. I don’t think it’s ever going to return to glory. Why beat a dead horse.
The Spazzing hurt my eyes... and my head
I agree. Also, there is great toxicity in Mordhau. When I used to play this game there were people making racist comments, abusing newbies, team-killing while also having the luxury to continue playing without getting banned. For example, I see alot of newbies setting up a ballista crossbow and some other dude would come over and throw a firebomb at them effectively killing them and destroying the crossbow. Another issue I have is people not apologising after team-killing, like it takes 0.5 seconds to type sorry and when one complains about the team kill, the team killer gets defensive. Finally, daggers blocking battle axes, like cmon that is ridiculous
The community is not very welcoming and why bother playing this game because we play to relax or have fun, not to stress out over imbalances or idiotic behaviour.
People want medieval melee combat, not spazzing drag glitching.
@@feeblezak Its a video game, mordhau was already the biggest step towards realistic melee combat in its time, and I think that should be praised rather than criticized. Now we barely have any alternatives anyways, chiv 2 is a weirder game to me, hellish quart looks cool but is still in early stages and is much less popular than either game.
Dragging is just vital to the game and the game was balanced around it.. you do realize, attacks need to be hard to read, otherwise its just two people standing there, trading riposte parries until one guy loses to a small stamina disadvantage. You might not notice this as a new player who is having trouble timing basic parries, but once you play long enough, you will realize this problem. There's zero replayability in a defensive duel game. Imagine you're a new player and the level 200 in front of you just stands there and parries you for 10 minutes and there is literally no swing or feint possible that would let you get through his defense. Because that's exactly what will happen if you remove drags.
Well you could buff feints and make feinting unreadable, but that's even more cancer, and I've seen more people complaining about feint spamming than dragging. And I personally wouldn't enjoy that at all, feint guessing simulator is just boring
I honestly think there are so many simple ways they could revive the game, but they would rather release shield surfing and jester costumes. I really hope these small additions are just to keep us slightly satisfied whilst they work on a bigger content update.
Let's be real. They didn't really release that stuff as a real update. They threw that shit in there because of the lack of updates
@@thefreshvince879 + the lack of carring + for the redditors who would laugh seeing a knight do a slav squat...
I played in the oce comp scene up until the middle of this year. I hosted an 8 team 10v10 frontline tournament with my friend because we wanted to introduce some variety in the game modes that where played in comp. We tested some maps and found that the only good maps for comp where camp and taiga so we used those exclusively. The Devs agreed to give the winners crowns and the despite some hiccups the tourney was an overall success and everyone had fun. Then one of the teams sent a message to the Devs saying that we had included a phantom team to boost our numbers and get crowns. The truth was that the players in that team tried to pull out of the tournament after registration had ended. We didn't let them but we agreed to move some players off of that team and on to that groups other team so they could still play if they wanted. The Devs didn't ask us for any explanation or defence and banned us from ever having ingame rewards for our future tournaments. (Which we had already started planning.) That's when I left the game. Why should I bother trying to help improve a game that its own Devs don't seem to care about?
Pretty much sums up what most of what the community has been saying throughout the combined thousands of hours we've been playing & creating content for. I'm glad to hear that at least Despacito got a payout for his outstanding work that has helped delay your video from being released to this point 🙂 I wish you the best of success with Contingent & hope to meet again/stay in touch along the way! ❤️
Its a shame, a real shame.
But it does seem fitting that the most recent content for a dead/dying game is literal clown outfits.
I guess the jokes on us, huh?
I started playing mordhau around this time last year, I instantly fell in love with the game's mechanics and funnily enough the community. Seeing a naked run around playing a lute and smacking people with it in pubs was the funniest thing to me. Even though I have about 130 hours in the game, i'm ashamed to admit that it feels like it just fell off. I stopped playing pubs to just join 1v1 servers to get better, and unfortunately the game has not been the same. I wanted that push to get better but the amount of stupid shit that the game has at its higher levels just baffles me. Like you said in the video, the good times when playing get absolutely outweighed by the really annoying things in the game. Even when I try to relive those moments I loved in pubs it just doesn't feel the same. That emersion, that feeling when you first started and actually won a fight just got dull, where losing a fight to an insane drag/excel or somebody who spams chamber got infuriating. I don't blame you for quitting, I hope you find something else that allows you to have that fun again.
Same here
Chambering in pretty skill full but that whole dragging acceling is bs
Thank you for all the entertainment you have provided me with since I began to play Mordhau in 2019, as much as I hate to say it I think this is a good choice. The game really seems to not being going anywhere and I struggle to find as much enjoyment as I did a year or two ago, a man can only play camp and grad so much until he goes insane wanting just another map that isnt a re-balance of an old map or a 4x4 square duel yard. I wish you luck on Contingent and I'm very excited to see it when it comes.
You're most welcome
I think you're correct here Stout, but I also believe that more should be said regarding the inhibition of new players from joining and truly delving into the game. Though no longer possible with the declining playerbase, ranked matchmaking for FL or Invasion would have made the mode more competitive and I daresay fun for both greenhorns and vets alike, with the current lack requiring hundreds of thousands of deaths simply to become reasonable at the game.
Similarly, I think the true deathblow to Mordhau comes from the lack of consideration given to new players. It speaks wonders that the official Mordhau discord server stops anyone under 1000 hours from posting feedback regarding the game. This slaughtered Mordhau's retention of new and middle skill players (0-600H) and diminished the chances of someone picking up the game to give it a proper try.
And of course, I think it must be said that the community has some blame to be felt in this downfall. Dueling servers are toxic cesspools who are more likely to tell you to fuck yourself then offer advice to someone trying to get better. Not to mention of course the still consistent racism that is prevalent in chat.
In short, I will be amazed if Mord makes it to the Eastern Invasion, and I think your decision to pull back from Mordhau is certainly intelligent. Thank you for the fantastic gameplay you've offered this dwindling community, and I cannot wait to see both your new content and your developing game.
yeah lack of team balance is atrocious now you mention it
You've also briefly talked about it, but talking from experience when I used to be involved in the comp scene in the first ~months after the official release. Many orgs tried to recruit players and find a format that would work for a enjoyable viewing experience (from 15v15s to 3v3s and 1v1s), some Esport managers joined our discords and talked to folks, it looked very very promising.
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Unfortunately tho, many of the servers that we used to skrim at that time got attacked by a bunch of edgy fuckers. This included DDOS, bot spams and joining the server spamming racist shit in the chat and RDM'ing before getting kicked.. This definitely pushed back these managers who were interested in the game. Having proper servers with adequate protection and moderation from Triternion rather than the bootleg weak player-rented one we had it would have gone MARGINALLY BETTER.
Also with articles coming out on the game talking about the lack of moderation for exactly this kind of situation didn't help at all with the image of the game and how these orgs didn't feel comfortable supporting us. (I do not blame the journalists on this either, unfortunately they were right.)
This paired with the very inconsistent support for comp coming from the devs made doomed us.
Yeah the community could definitely have been wrangled in better
Great video stouty!
I particularly like the "AFK devs" chapter since imo the lack of communication from the devs apart from the "insights" from crush and the occasional development snippets (lol hot tub) really give off a lack of interest in their own game. It's as if they don't care.. and the patches seem to reflect that.
Also their update cycle is abysmal at best - their "strategy" they have clearly has not been working out at all players have been asking for minor balancing patches pretty much since I've started playing to no avail - a balance patch every 3 months is better than a "major" patch every 6 months but they don't seem to think that way.
Crush made a skill based game with a team of competitive players, had it play tested with competitive players but now insists that the game is centred around pubs, an area chivalry 2 has already explicitly focused on all the while rejecting well made competitive game modes that cost him no money in creation. Absolutely phenomenal
As an avid fan of Mordhau this game no longer lives up to my standards.
I love Mordhau but I haven't played in over a month. When I did play more regularly, I wasn't a casual but I wasn't competitive either - better than average at dueling but just short of elite. Idk what happened, I kind of just moved on to other games, which I suppose may have been caused by the lack of content Mordhau suffers from. If this really is the beginning of Mord's death spiral, I'd just like to say that I really enjoyed those 537 hours, and I'll remember it as being one of the best Melee games I've ever played.
It's crazy to me that they did not hire Despacito. Litteral legend with insane maps and gamemodes. He alone pumped out more content than the whole mordhau team KEKW
Thanks, Stouty, You got me into this game, all those years ago. It's sad to see it go, but I'm glad to know your expertise will be put somewhere else. Looking forward to Contingent.
By sheer coincidence, I had mentioned you to a friend yesterday, lamenting the state of the game and how the devs actions caused it's early death. I'd given up on the game several months ago, and the loss of you in the Mordhau scene feels like the last bastion of the game is now gone. But, at the same time, it's probably for the best with the games sorry state.
I'll be eagerly watching and waiting for your updates once the suit arrives. Good luck, and thanks for the great work Stouty!
Cheers
Well stated, a 5v5 objective mode is what we needed from day one. It’s silly but what really made me stop was when they replaced the glorious flourish animation. Jedi > rowing boat, their dedicated “animator” could have just added the animation instead of scrapping the old one.
I loved Mordhau's core gameplay mechanics so much that I could ignore the lack of content, but then they added insult to injury by changing the core gameplay in ways that nobody asked for yet still ignored all the other broken shit. Standing still was barely acceptable, it's when they started taking steps back that I think a lot of people drew the line.
well said
its weird how this is incredibly informative, but also has multiple tage worthy clips in the background
they're despa clips so not too impressive
Can’t believe I’m late to a stouty video. Mad respect for sticking through as long as you have - my love and time into the game has recently begun so I can’t say I feel exactly the same. I’ll make sure to keep buying some good ol coaching, can’t wait for YOUR melee game
it's sad to see that two people (giru and stouty) who inspired me to play competitive chiv and mordhau have now left the game. thank you stouty for giving me the inspiration, i've had a lot of fun playing in clans.
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.”
― Winston S. Churchill
Get back in the cuckbox churchill
@@peasanttoking6839 Will do, while I watch you on the beaches.
dont forget what were fighting for, gang rape, open borders
As a person with almost 1k hours on the game, playing mostly invasion, I still really enjoy the game. But this video perfectly explains how I feel about it currently. Despite the game being incredible in terms of combat and net-code. the re-playability is very lacking, especially the more of a one-trick you are. Many other players who also play mostly invasion I've met, the encounter goes like this: they have started playing after me, and quit playing the game after at best a months period. Many players I meet who are insanely good at the game, but only play war axe (for example) eventually get burnt out and stop playing.
I myself, after talking with some of my friends about it, feel the same way, it gets to the point where you're at a high enough skill level where you basically just play on auto pilot, but the competitive stuff is both toxic and infuriating as well as mind numbingly repetitive. This could be part of the fact that, the genre at its core is difficult to make engaging and dynamic (in my opinion) whilst also keeping it skill based and balancing how much new players can enjoy the game, keeping it alive.
It seems impossible to make everything work together, but I think that's the exact issue that Mordhau has; they try to make everyone happy, when it is impossible to do. you can't satisfy the sweats when you do updates to non sweaty game modes, but the core gameplay is balanced around smaller scale, high skill/intensity combat
I personally heard about it from a UA-camr named SovietWomble. And with how they play games (All be it not too seriously) I figured this would be a great game for me and my friends... 3-4 years later boy was I wrong...
I personally love the amount of freedom that the devs allowed in terms of customization. From being a heavy armored greatsword weilding badass to literally the meme of the game naked maulman. But recently I fell out of love with how often I feel myself raging at every death due to not being able to read the animations. And it certainly doesn't help the amount of hard Rs I encounter and trolls who make it impossible to even play the game casually without having to use a bow and get yelled at for it.
Seriously, can't tell you how many times I fall back on a rouge-type character I have that is equipped with a bastard sword and recurve bow just because I was sick of having to read animations. And then they spend the rest of the match hunting me down and making sure I don't get out of spawn.
So yeah... I dropped Mordhau in favor of Chivarly II. which is a lot more fun in my opinion due to the appeal to casual scrubs like me who can swing with little to no thought put into his strikes
Part of the issue for the competetive side, was the insane amount of waiting between balance patches. The game could be in a stale/frustrating state for a long time. Easy fixes like the CFTP nerf should not have been in the pipeline for aslong as it was.
It’s clear the devs have lost sight of where they came from, the community. The lines between developer and community are very clearly defined with no overlap. The devs are not involved in the community and the community is not involved with the devs. Devs implementing one thing when the community wanted another. It’s a damn shame to see this game crash and burn but it’s been a long time coming. RIP Mordhau
I can confirm that modding is super frustrating and aside from like maybe 2-3 devs we have to go treasure hunt for fixes , and they give us screenshots... They don't give a shit
Thank you Stouty for trying to build up this game like you have over the years; trying for the good side of the community too, we appreciate it. I never got to ever play Goldrush too but always wished the mode would be adopted into the game... It's so good and I don't understand the developers reaction to that, I honestly feel the Triternion team fail at thinking from the players point of view and thinking about what a player might actually want to experience from the game, instead they stick to their biased own views I think and this doesn't work because they only test the game whilst working on it and don't actually like to play it themselves for some reason (perhaps boredom) but it's hopeless if they have no passion for the community or game that they work on and they need to change that if they truly wish for the community to thrive and not become stale, otherwise it'll be like a artist starting with an idea to create a painting of a pretty flower that everyone likes and then changing his mind and thinking a turd would be better for this painting; no matter what they do with it, it's always just gonna be 'shit' in the end and no one will want anything to do with it... If only you were on the dev team instead though Stouty, things could have been so different 😞 Instead it feels no better than what happened with Reign of kings but in a slower pace.
Thank you sir, I do happen to be on the dev team of an upcoming melee title which will feature goldrush as a ranked mode so hopefully we'll all get to experience it there
@@Stouty You are most welcome, it's just such a shame for the game... And oh yes I joined the discord last night, I will definitely not be able to buy any game at launch but I will be looking forward to experiencing the game as soon as I can, I know it's gonna be awesome 😃 Good luck to you and the rest of the team! ⚓
Finding your channel was a great boon and a great curse. Had Mordhau since 2019, but my computer could never run it at super high or even at a stable framerate. The loads time were atrocious, the graphics looked like clay people, but I loved it, and swore when I get my new PC, I'd play it and get gud with it. Now, I have a new PC, new peripherals but the game looks to be a bit of a nightmare at this point. Especially if the game can no longer be played casually at all, and if new players are nowadays nonexistent.
it's doing better than it was at the time of this video (not a high bar) due to the latest patch and big sale - now would be a good time to get involved
@@Stouty Honestly, thank you for saying that. After seeing your comment, I decided to reinstall the game and I am loving it.
Still a filthy casual, but at least watching you and Giru is keeping me decent enough at 1vX to really enjoy pubs.
Again, thanks for saying that, am really enjoying the game now, in silky smooth 60 FPS @ 1080p no less lol
Do have to agree that the lack of forthcoming inclusion when it comes to officially implementing modded stuff into the game is mind boggling. An automatic Win/Win of content.
Every single successful world wide hit and genre defining game has been a mod. One of the best examples is Valve, everything apart from Half Life started out as a mod that Valve officially supported, then even bought and made into full fledged products.
I think the downfall was patch #20/21
The game’s overall combat was changed more than any patch prior in a way that made the combat feel so much less weighty and this is much more apparent in patch #22/23 where the meta has become “conserve stamina and accel everything.”
The weapon play seems like it was changed without any real goal in mind.
Ironically, a lot of the playerbase has noticed that a majority of these combat changes favor the play style of Crush.
The combat however, isn’t all the playerbase is there for. Quite a few players will also just play the game for the funny interactions, voicelines and emotes. So these players wouldn’t care either way but even then, these are most often the players who grew tired of combat and have already mastered the bizarre swing manipulation of this game.
I hope to see the dung covered peasant conversation lives on!
Literally kick is useless now
@@thefreshvince879 what do you mean? They reverted kick changes.
@@thefreshvince879 They reverted the change after noticing half the playerbase complaining about it. You can stun before release now and kick is a tiny bit faster than it was.
@@kriegergoose nah still trash. it now only works on slow ass weapons and they have to not abuse the animation either
@@thefreshvince879 okay now I think you’re just butthurt lmao 🤣
I used to play lots of chiv and mordhau. I stuck around with Chiv when it was dying and pushed through to learn the mechanics. Same applies to Mordhau but I started playing when it came out. But at one point I just quit for good because I got bored. I remember some livestreams on twitch with tournaments held by players. Those were pretty cool and I think you were the host of that stream. I personally think that holding those tournaments were a big factor for Mordhau.
I bought and played mordhau to have fun in the frontline maps, with team work, chaos and siege engines. I wanted a "imersive" medieval battle ground, and a received for a good amount of hours until my desire to live was taken away from broken animation exploits, 360* attacks, bad level design, bad spawn points ( mostly invasion maps ), and unsatisfying progression. When i express my dissapointment to the comunity most people just say "lol, get gud noob", like i can undestand that some of this problems can be mitigated with more experience, but that is the point, most of these flaws take my joy and energy to try achieve that skill level, also ignoring that just "getting gud" won't fix poorly planned map design.
Note: When i say "imersive" i don't mean "realistic", i mean a ambient where the laws of that world can grab me in way where i can fell that what happens in the screen fells natural.
It's not all clouds, the next game in the genre can build from mordhau's exploration of combat mechanics, triternion will just miss out on the revenue, whoops!
Pp
The community is very hot and cold and for me its what gave the game its identity as being a hilarious interactive shitpost. Either its very friendly and honestly it takes me back to the golden years of TF2, funny midgets running around and I have seen some very wholesome conversations. Or its some guy going on a racist rant and general toxicity. Memeing around is honestly the only thing that kept me playing this game for a good amount of time, with the combat somewhat drawing me in as I eventually got decent at it learning the basics of swing manip,footwork etc... But still refusing to touch comp. But with the lack of content with each rare patchie, its just become stale and boring and its charm has honestly died for me. R.I.P Mordhau. I will always remember the good times.
I stopped playing/ play very little because of probably most common things people feel: repetitive combat, very toxic tryhards, and like you said accurately, there are not enough highs to cover lows, or something like that, i already forgot eh. Plus more personal and probably stupid reason, i used to play with someone i like, but i lost contact with them, so every time i play, there's a bad taste, or something like that.
I'm a pretty new viewer, but thank you for all those videos you made, i really wish you all the best
Thank you
Can't wait to hear some more info on your game that you are working on.
I think the first big step to take to revitalize the game is getting actual good moderators. People that actually care for the playerbases gameplay and not just kick or banning people for building a single spike in there own spawn.
There are a lot of reasons for the game failing beyond the two main ones you describe are simply from a pure egotistical dumbed down comp mentaility that fails to fully recognise the best game mode and team size that would allow causuals to easily transition in to a more organized comp play. This is because pubs and comp play two completely different versions of the game with no transition. I have always argued and written many articles and posts for 10v10 comp team objective game play being the most satisfying and challenging because it also allows to fully use all game mechanics and player classes including ranged classes as Mordhau has the most balanced range classes of any game of this genera. It also allows for noobs and pubs to fill in those spots in comp to get better and learn with the top players also forcing these top players to actually reachout to the pub community to encourage, recruit , and train new players and get them interested in more competitive modes and play. The comp meta that evolded from the end of Chiv into 5v5 SKM ends up being boring to watch, boring to play, with no real strats for defending or completing an objective. But I feel like I am beating a dead horse and have discussed these topics beyond nausium. Finally, is player expectations on very indy game devs regardless of how much experience they have or how much supposed money has been made. Theses are not AAA studios with large design and programmming teams with fast patch release times. This is on top of the selfish egotistical community that has rarely has built anything let alone a community. If anything, many have gone out of their way to destroy groups, clans and even individual players who have gone out of their way to build, train, and actually grow a community without asking for or expecting money or some form of payment. If anything money has destroyed and corrupted what little comp scene ever existed. But I digress and grow tired of the smell of this dead horse.
I truely believe that the final shot of this game's death was the various amounts of nerfs that they made on the shield and shielding system (especifically the last one) which basically isolated a group of players from the game which later on caused them to abandon the game entirely.
Crush has unironically crushed this game's potential with his hysterical personality.
so sad to watch this video, but anyway thank you. I really like yall VK guys, you gifted to me unforgettable experience from this game, and you just made the whole counter-culture of funhau in mordhau. See you later, space cowboy...
glad you enjoyed the ride
You kinda nailed it, casual players left, and all that was left was sweaty gods and toxic players. I got into chivalry and had the same thing happen, but I found myself enjoying the grind to just get better at that game, and learning, and the same thing happened here I think. I wanted to be good at the game, but there was no real reward, and the comp scene and even ranked was dead. And with all the other games out there that have come out and my own schedule, mordhau dropped from my mind. The devs seem to have no real clue what the players want, horde mode could be fun, but a lot of the map design and limited time and customizability kinda made it not worth the effort. Though I did love the modded horde maps, I still remember the days of sandcastle on chivalry with the fucking jedi and crazy boss fights, and I saw flashes of those feelings in some of the modded maps based of LOTR. Frontline was just a shit show in the worst of ways, where battles could just become tedious or frustrating at certain objectives, and honestly the implementation of horses was pretty bad. Like most things the community was the best part of this game, and the devs didn't listen to them, and constantly stepped on rakes.
Stouty, I got coaching from you as a lvl 10 noob who really wanted to understand the mechanics and have fun with the game. With your help I joined a comp team and even got to play in MFC. Thank you for everything you've done for the community man, you will be missed.
np glad you got to experience comp
Its honestly disappointing to hear that you wont be developing videos on mordhau anymore as alot of your logic applied to melee based combat can heavily transfered to new world. You helped me develop my own style and it became extremely unique in demonstrating skill over meta and id like to thank you for giving a very in depth mentality in these type of games.
I'm really getting kinda sad watching this because this time it really feels like this is really the end. Thank you for all the fun
My "last" chiv upload ended up having another one following it within a week so who knows, either way it should be the start of something new
mordhau is fine, complainers are boring. They just need more content.
Stockholm Syndrome sufferer
@@Stouty it's fine, I guess you've probably over played it so I understand why you wanna take a break. But for me I still enjoy it.
@@__soap__ It's still possible to get games and have fun with it but the player decline is definitely not healthy
@@Stouty fair fair
I just got the game and I love it, even though I'm bad at it. Because if I get curbstomped by a better player in melee it just feels a lot more tolerable than in an FPS game where it comes down to "lol I click on head better". Larger combat modes feel great for me, but the lack of a playerbase is *really* noticeable in the lack of gamemodes I can actually play. Invasion is great and all, but they always feel like death spirals for the defensive team to me. I've only ever won on one map in a defensive invasion and that's almost exploit level, but it seems they changed that so you no longer need to actually kill the nobles so that's gone too.
I guess at this point I could try getting into hoard mode.
This was one of the most mechanically fun games to play with friends. To first learn how to drag and accel then work on foot movement. It was exciting to get better in duels then take that into frontline or invasion. Sad so see it die, had so many good hours in it.
R.I.P. Mordhau. Stouty, can you make urself twitter? I need to catch ur updates.
I'm very active on the stoutlaw discord, feel free to hangout there
Seeing the way Mordhau went is just sad. I dabbled in competitive Chiv (and was awful at it, but it was fun, your point about 5v5 Obj gamemodes allowing worse players to still derive enjoyment from being carried by superior players absolutely held true) and the dev team's insistence on going all in on 32-64 player servers whose fun hinges on chaos just doesn't hold up. It will always baffle me that the comp Chiv dev team didn't launch the game with small team-based objective modes. Hope the genre picks up
Really says something about a game when the most popular servers, at least in my region, are random weapon FFA, double damage on a white platform, and RP servers.
As someone who must belong to the older segment in this community with more than 3 decades of gaming (and feeling like the Elrond "I was there 3000 years ago" meme just writing it :P) I 'll leave my humble feedback: I've played many games and genres, from old 2D console games to FPS, RTS and many Action on PC, but no other game has given me the sheer enjoyment and bursting all out laughter that Mordhau delivered. Despite all its flaws it was (and still is, although on a lesser degree) an amazing experience with all the lulz in the world, whether wining or losing. Expecially during quarantine and all its misery it was a blessing of a game and I really speak from my heart saying a solid thank you to the devs that made it and that 25 € I spent on April 2019 was a pleasure.
With that being written, I generally agree with all the criticism. It feels like so much potential is getting wasted here: the devs managed to get some things on melee combat right but that was it. Few and inadequate content and not fixing many flaws of the game mechanics (like those broken ass visuals some top tier gamers employ and making it impossible to read movement) are for me among the worst. As stated already, new gamers simply don't have the patience to spend 100+ hours just to get the hang of the game while being slaughtered, and that isn't only because Mordhau is inherently difficult and skill demanding. I trully hope we've not witnessing the end yet, but even then it's great that others get action and start other games (like Contingent) of their own.
Thank you for explaining your thoughts and criticisms so well. I'm glad you're willing to avoid sounding spiteful despite your understandable frustrations. I have always enjoyed Mordhau because the game mechanics remained fun in 1v1 or 40v40. I'm looking forward to Contingent and I think you can really dominate the genre with your ideas on how to improve it.
SDK needed to be out 2 years ago.
4:17 what about hardpoint? That is an amazing game mode!
@@thejhonnie ngl I completely forgot about hardpoint (it's basically TDM though)
@@Stouty basically is. At least it's the small bit of fresh air that some people needed. I came back to the game to try it out and it's kept me play semi consistently so far.
@@fawkmewithagayraccoon it should join the official roster, perhaps as a brawl addition
@@Stouty I'll let atlas know of your appreciation for hardpoint :)
508 hours here. As much as I loved Mordhau, it just wasn't worth the pain you had to go through to play it.
The measuring rod I use for MP success is a question - "Is losing still fun?" You're playing an inherently competitive game and you're gonna get your butt kicked. A lot. In my opinion the best multi-player games, getting your butt kicked is still a good time because of the fun you have along the way.
In SWBF2 you have a great time just shooting crazy lazers down hallways with all your clone/Droid buddies before a lighsaber murders you.
In LoL you're using every second to maximize your performance.
In Halo the longer time to kill usually means you're paired up with a teammate and trying to take down targets together, and even losing you get whacky moments with vehicles.
Losing in Mordhau is just... Frustrating. It feels like you're fighting by yourself in a silo at all times, even when you're surrounded by allies. Most of the time allies just get in the way or kill you outright. Too many things are one shot kills, getting one shot by a catapult, ballista, horse, or maul (sorry maul guys) just isn't a good time and yet there are maps that have ALL of those AT THE SAME TIME.
So I mostly stick to duel servers where most users are far above my skill level or far below. And the fun has just dried up. Which sucks! Because that clicky satisfying feeling of landing a good kill is still one of the best in the genre.
The drought of new players is probably the worst thing, tried to get 7 friends of mine into the game, 6 of them which cant even get past lvl 20 because they get absolutely obliterated on pub matches to the point of them not wanting to play again.
*Another Former Veteran speak*
*What killed Mordhau in my eyes*
_1 - Horde Revamp!_
_2 - Introduction of Ranked!_
_3 - Eastern Invasion Arc!_
There's a slight resurgence of activity in US with factions and new RP servers. Unfortunately not as many people around left to look.
This game easily could bring in a new player base with any effort on releasing even cosmetic content and a few maps and any attempt at all with continued marketing but its not getting the maintenance it deserves.
I've never seen such an interesting and promising game just be left to slowly run out of steam like this before
Its really sad to see how my favourite game dies, thank you Stout for your vids about mh.
With what they did with horde in this recent update, they expand on that they could draw in a lot of players and keep them with an almost separate environment. Which isn't the games focus I get that but as far as the company's health go it might be something.
I got too good, but I didn't enjoy sweating for 7 hours straight. So I stopped. I want to fight like a swordsman, not jump in the air and slash at stupid angles.
1v1 is a pretty solid competitive game mode in my opinion skill is the factor to decide matches but it can get really boring and i stumbled upon some hackers and it's not fun, really looking forward to game you are helping with, maybe it will bring fresh breeze to melee games, at least i hope so
You were the person who got me into mordhau and now 2100 hours later. I have agreed with every point you’ve made so far.
this video is so well made but so sad I'm really sad to let mordhau go I really do think this game could've been the start of melee slashers becoming a popular genre everyone seems to know / played this game but nobody keeps playing it i've noticed
I think that your point on cheaters was well done and I think as someone who regularly plays pubs, rp servers and the like (i dont really play the comp scene much at all), cheaters are 100% more common in ranked or dueling servers. I have run into a grand total of 5 cheaters in public matches, but about 10 in ranked or in duel servers. The most egregious instance was a dude who owned a server and his buddy was cheating on it, when I called out his buddy, I was muted for 10 minutes and was banned the moment I could speak again. Did thankfully record the player.
I think your points are all damn solid but I think end of the day I'm still gonna keep playing the game, even if the fact is the game has devolved into medieval vr chat for me (which i dont think is necessarily a bad thing). 99% of my time in mordhau is spent on servers like Duke of York where I have sub 30 ping in case I want to duel someone, but is mostly spent playing music for people on lutemod and standing around talking in 3rd person. Its not a bad experience though, and this shouldnt be seen as me complaining. If it makes me feel good and it has me coming back to play the game then im happy with it.
I think its unfortunate the player count is dwindling but what can ya do? Its a shame the game wasn't cared for properly, especially its comp scene which was regularly slapped in the face by the devs or by one dude who's got a hardon for a felony. I think end of the day as long as the game remains fun ill still play it but thats my opinion and my stance. Shame to see that its lost the appeal for you but I dont think anyone would blame you.
That all being said, I do think you branching out into other content could easily see you having a decent career on youtube and im excited to see where it ends up. Considering you are damn good at the games you decide to play, and are more than capable of editing shit to be entertaining, I think its pretty easy to see that no matter what you decide to do on your channel you're gonna have some success. And while it's sad to know that the mordhau content will dwindle and we may not get another stoutytage, it's also seriously exciting to see where you're gonna go next. Best of luck, stout.
Cheers, glad you're still having fun with the community aspect. Chiv 1 was much the same for me
@@Stouty Community over comp almost always wins out for me. I would probably touch the comp scene more if it wasnt a burning cesspit of Dox threats and hate lol
This video has a lot of great points. Mordhau pubs are still incredibly fun and I'll be happy to stick with the game until it croaks (or something new and better comes along)
i use fists only (hints the name) with 19k fist kills total and one thing i have noticed is the brawler community slowly fading away, and its very sad to see. i wish the devs would do SOMETHING to revive the game, even if that means making it free to play with cosmetics locked behind a paywall. it really sucks because when mordhau first came out i was glued to my computer having a blast with friends, now all my friends have moved on to different games, while i cling on to this lost hope of mordhau becoming fun again.
I've been playing this game since it first came out & while some of the updates can be annoying , I still find this game to be better than most that are out now.
I hope we get to see more content from you whether it be from mordhau or not; hopefully things go well.
Great vid that pretty much sums it up
I have 1700 hours, 1600ish of it exclusively in horde mode and most recently modded horde mode. Myself and other horde modders have become inactive because of how long the SDK has been delayed for. Probably won't come back even when it's finally released; the community isn't there to experience it anymore. I probably stand alone as the game's sole PVE advocate and while I understand that asking for PVE content should probably take a backseat to addressing issues that directly threaten the game's life, the potential for this game's single player and cooperative formats is hugely untapped and while the SDK could have addressed that over a year ago, it's far too late now I fear.
PvE official content would be huge as well, any official content would be
I remember my friends convincing me to buy it in 2020. Put like 60 hours into it but quit because felt like there was no other players I could progress with. It was all just the top 0.01%. It became a pain to play.
as a newer player (only level 45) i really fell like there was potential to enjoy this game but the lack of care for the game's community and the indecisiveness of the dev's about want they wan't to do with the game makes me feel that i will most likely stop playing soon either out of frustration of what this game could have been and how creators like you or GIRU could still be making content for the game while enjoying playing it or me getting bored of the game due to it giving me nothing to really grind for other than some cosmetics and a cooler rank, this game could have been my favorite easily if not for all the stupid things that happened to it.(i am still hoping that a game like this emerges that is not only enjoyable for both tryhards and more casual players but also that has a dev team that respects their community's thoughts and takes them into a count while adding new stuff , i really fell bad to know that this game died while it could have been so much better with just some small adjustments at the right time.anyways these are just some thoughts from a new player q:)
Excited to see new content! Was hoping this mordhau video would be the last, you didn't seem to enjoy playing this at all
I started playing Mordhau from is't release. Biggest problem was that at that time I lived in the far east part of Russia. Japanese and Chinese servers were too far away to give good connection and the main servers of my country were in the central part of it, so I also had a high ping playing on them. The only way to play the game was community servers. We had a couple of good servers. Admins even hosted local tournaments. But when the summer holiydays ended these servers died. I really liked this game, enjoyed playing it with my friends, but unfortunatly due to inabbility to find more servers with good ping I left the game.
I think one of the reasons the casual player base left was that a lot of people thought it was going to be a multiplayer medieval warfare game, but it turned into spinning simulator with toxic pros getting rid of the historical medieval Fanbase and casual Fanbase leaving only the pros and who don’t want new people playing the game
Honestly it’s depressing thinking how much potential Mord really had, and to think we players still payed and put hundreds of hours. I feel like so much could’ve been better if the devs attitudes changed and they took any feedback from players and pros.
Why did I quit?
Started from Beta, just like Chivalry, never became an amazing god like player because I always played it casually.. Although I would say I can top leaderboards frequently on pub games and hold my own pretty well in most games, I hardly went into duel servers because 1v1's just feel like rock paper scissors. People who started around me already started gaining 100's to 1000's of hours ahead of me. Point break, got tired of dying to certain high level players, wanted to know how to get past their defense and increase my attack, watched some videos, done some duels, went through some clans that always just end up dying but improved over all, learned a lot.. Eventually got better, still, not great, I was still casually having fun, at this point most of these players I knew around when I started were in the level 200's with thousands of hours or they simply stopped playing, they are burnt out on the game by now.. I keep chugging along slowly catching up to their levels until I start playing, less.. and less.. A new game catches my attention for a while. I eventually come back, things are different (kicks no longer punish, CFTP was all weird) was a bad time to return I guess, just didn't have the care to try anymore.. Everything felt dull. Now I only meme around or casually play some pubs but nothing serious that's if I play at all these days..
My most enjoyable parts of the game was: The start when it was all new, and then joining a clan making friends and learning together.. (also sometimes demoralizing and punishing going 40 - 0 to someone way better than you).. I think 5v5 team death match should have been a staple game mode it's really enjoyable, a lot of games use 5 to 6 player teams it seems to be a magic number.
I first started playing about a year ago, I currently have just shy of 400 hours in game and I made sure to make mental notes of other low level players, very very people stay and why would they? Theres no easy way to find players in the same skill range. I played a lot of duel servers which generally doesn't have low level players in us east, I mostly see level 45+ which already have a understanding of the hidden mechanics and are working on improving using them so any earlier level plays will get rolled by. I dont really play any inv or frontline but in pub deathmatch servers you might find low skill players but you get smashed by a naked maul to the back of the head. So I think (it's to late now) if they had a mode where you could compete with players around your level would of kept the retention up while still having duel servers to play with people to improve. The game is still fun to me, I enjoy the community and the core gameplay. There is still a huge potential for casual gameplay if the devs would actually produce content the players want to see.
While I still play the game, I can not ignore its failings. Often times, the game seems like its being patches for a smaller and smaller base, and I don't feel like I fit in with this, being very much a casual player. While it could be argued that I suck at the game, and I accept that, I can't help but feel like the game isn't really going anywhere, and any patch that gets released seems to benefit only a small portion of the player base that remains. And because of this, I have noticed that the player base is Shockingly small, as I find the same five trolls in every public lobby, I find the same hackers patrolling the servers, and what remains of the player base seems to be the most toxic of the bunch. I don't know about the rest of the world, but good luck finding a match of 3v3s in America, the lobbies are completely dead. Which I find to be a shame, because I enjoyed having it be more than 1v1, but less chaotic than frontline or Skirmish with some semblance of structure, i.e. no bows.
I wish so hard, that the team would concentrate more on adding modes that are just new for us, or things that are normally seen everywhere, but just not too often in mordhau yet, like prop hunt c.o
(I'm saying that as a big fan of the horde mode, but i hate the fact, that it has a limited amount of waves, instead of becoming almost impossible at one point
I used to want to get good at the game religiously. But after playing a fair bit of ranked and getting a bunch of coaching from stouty I realized just how much bullshit there was, broken animations, bug abuse, cheating and general stupid strategies or frustrating playstyles. I decided that it's not worth trying to get better when the game doesn't want me to get better
0:44 After thinking about this for a while, I can agree with you about it POSSIBLY surpassing FPS, if by surpass we mean one game exploding to be more popular than top FPS games, looking at how something like League (which is essentially an RTS mod) can be a thing. It's very unlikely though and I don't see why melee would be more likely to do it than any other less popular game concept, though it is possible.
I still don't believe it's realistically possible if we mean being a more popular genre as a whole (which imo is a more fitting meaning for "surpass"). I think it mainly boils down to how simple of a concept shooting things is in games, both in how easy it is to understand/play and develop - and it shows in how dominant FPS games have been since doom. You mention RPGs like skyrim or witcher but these have very simplified combat without much depth, which is definetly not what we want with pvp melee games. Games like league or minecraft are extremely popular on their own but they are outliers - you don't see nearly as many highly successful copies of them as there are FPS games. The formula of shooting guns is just too solid.
As for becoming a VERY popular game with a healthy community for years (see Rocket League), it's definetly possible for a melee game. Mordhau could have been that if managed properly.
If the things about how comp has been handled are true then damn that's sad.
Tbh the best thing about mordhau right now is how many melee game projects it inspired. Can't wait to see how they work out.
The reason why I think it's going to happen is that melee combat is more skilled than gun fights - guns are after all an equalising force. Shroud can walk into a house in PUBG and get gunned down by some noob camper, whereas that's far less likely to occur to a skilled melee player in Mordhau. As for why The Witcher and Skyrim have little depth I believe that's because nobody knows what melee combat should look like yet, unlike fps which was been figured out for decades. That's something I'm looking to solve
The sad thing is… I’ve just come back after year 1 of release… the game is definitely better now in a lot of ways. I’m getting kills and enjoying myself a lot more now playing
Yeoooo shoutout to spook for donating to the fistfighting championship. He also helped us get the crown for that tourney when the other dev's looked down at it as not worthy. I absolutely love spook and he is the most valuable and trusted dev I have ever interacted with. Without his input I would never have been able to get a crown for the 1000+ hours I have sunk into fists.
It's a big shame to see it die. I dumped a lot of time into the game, and then just... stopped. I got bored, and finally just bought another game with a more competitive style. I log back into official Mordhau servers now and then and it's rare that there are more than 10 in the server at the time I play. It is well and truly dead now. Sorry to see it go, I had a lot of fun for a while.
I know Im late to this video, but I gotta say, you nailed it all, I have less than 250 hours and Im already done with it, I can handle 3v1s I can handle 2v1s even with decent players against me, but when I see a new player (lvl 1) I absolutley lose my shit at how rare it is to see them, In the past week Ive maybe seen 1-2 new players under lvl 20, Its a shame, cant wait to see what your game has to offer
The only thing tethering me to mordhau was the eastern invasion update. But now it seems every patch is just ugly cosmetics that cost 1000000 gold that no one with a life outside mordhau will ever be able to buy. It’s gotten to the point where I don’t think I’ll go back even if the update comes out