What piping to use for your shop air system.
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- Опубліковано 1 лют 2019
- I figured lets continue with another type of plumbing piping you can use in your shop. There was also quite a few comments to do this topic.
As you can see in the video I have the CPVE piping installed in my shop, but if I was going to do it over I would have used the Uponor system.
If your going to use pex and the type A pex and you cant borrow or rent a Uponor machine you can use the Shark Bite fitting system. These fittings can be bought from any of the big box stores and plumbing supply houses. The type A pex can only be bought from a plumbing supply house.
The strapping can be bought from the big box stores and the supply houses I would recommend buying the straight lengths of pex because its easier to make straight and level. the piping comes in 21 foot lengths. Install the strapping every 5 feet to keep the piping straight and level.
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I a master plumber....over 35 years experience in new residential and commercial plumbing. I used copper pipe in my garage air system. If ya accidentally bang into it ....it may dent a little or bend a little...if ya accidentally bang into CPVC it breaks and goes PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSISSSSSSSSISSSSSSSSSSSISSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yep, CPVC becomes brittle with age and can fail when struck by accident, etc. Since compressed air stores more energy than pressurized liquids, CPVC can send shrapnel if it gets dinged and fails. It's fine if it's buried in the wall, or covered in conduit, but if you're going to run conduit with CPVC inside, you may as well run galvanized or copper.
Or BOOM and you are picking frags out of your face
I saved up copper from diffrent jobs and eventually went I installed a 80 gallon 7.5 hp air Compressor I decided it was time to properly pull in the garage I did from the air compressor pump that’s inside to the tank on inch and then from the tank throughout the garage three-quarter inch and every once a while have half inch drops for low pressure stuff everything else is three-quarter it probably would’ve cost me $400 to 500 bucks to do it if I hadn’t saved it the material but I would never do it any other way I don’t have to worry about leaks it’s super simple to repair it like the guy said I can bang into it worse comes to worse I get a dent
CPVC exposed to any amount of sunlight will turn to a crumbly brittle mess in short order. I'm not real familiar with PEX but I've heard it's vulnerable to UV also though maybe not as much.
@@blackwind743 As a plumbing business owner I purposely installed some pex in my backyard about six years ago. It gets about six hours of direct sunlight a day… Every once in a while I walk by and kick it a little bit, bend it a little bit and it still seems pretty pliable. I don’t need a code book to know that plastic becomes brittle if it’s left in the sun long enough.
Very helpful. I'm just setting up my home shop for air and have been looking for a tutorial on what material best to use, e.g. plastic vs metal piping. I can't thank you enough for going over a very thorough explanation of all the options and the assembly of such a system, such as yours. Keep up the good work.
Awesome video! Exactly what I was looking for and answered all my questions. Time to buy some supplies and get started on my air line project. Thank you!
I have pre-moulded cases like for kids toys. Good on you Milwaukee for the very useful and flexible case
Great video my friend - I learned a TON in a very short time.
Very informative video Mike! Always wondered how shark bites worked. Now I know.
MrBubbajohnson1 thank you very much
Great video! Just the info I was looking for! Thank you!
-Will
By far one of the best videos I've seen in my UA-cam research on how to plumb the air in my shop buildout. I'm going with Uponor and Shark Bite fittings as it's by far the easiest way to install the lines. Thanks for making this informative video...!
Mike, I loved this video, great job!
Tom woods thank you very much
Very good video sir. I also learned a great deal. Thank you for sharing!!
I'm so glad that I took the time to watch this video. I have been going back and forth on how I should plumb my shop for a few years.
Right now I just have several air hoses running through my shop. I had never heard of the Uponor system. I'm going to do some investigation
into this to see if it fits my budget. Thanks Mike!!
Dan Arrington just so you are aware. Uponor is an expansion type system and requires an expensive tool. Probably not for a one job application.
Very helpful. Thank you Mike!
Thank you so much for this video. I have like others that commented been tossing around how to plumb my air lines. I can see the PEX with the Shark Bite fittings fitting my purpose nicely. Thanks again!
Skip the shark bite. The crimp on connections are far cheaper.
Can't use PEX for compressed air system's.
@@killingoldgrowthsince I've been using pex for over ten years. I have probably 1000 feet in 3 shops. No problems yet.
@@raypearce2974 well that makes it right then. 🤠
Black iron is much better and can be ordered with epoxy coating. Or just put in water drainage, but black iron is wat the professionals use 90% of the time.
Did mine in black pipe easy and very happy with it
Mike - thanks so much - I am getting ready to pipe my new shop and this was perfect.Type a pex and shark bite is what I will use.
Updating my post. I did pipe my shop with Pex but after I priced all the push to connect fittings I would need I was able to buy a Ryobi power crimper that can be used with one hand for the stainless steel pex clamps, used the regular pex fittings, ended up with what I think is a cleaner look (the push to connect fittings are bulky) and still came out cheaper. Super pleased with the result. Easy, clean and it works great so far. Mike - thanks for the video.
@@andrewbruns1035 good choice. Sharkbites are bad connectors.
Lots of information, thanks William
Very bad information....
Good insights - I work at HD and the only kick we get on Shark Bite fittings is the high cost. The Upenal is great but you need the tool. Enjoyed the video.
Best compressor air piping system I’ve come across…. Thank you…. I’m going to use Pex tubing for my shop
Really good video lots of good info thanks for making it.
I used copper about 15 years ago. No problems.
We redid our bathroom a few years ago and ended up running a bunch of PEX lines for sinks, showers, etc. While I grew to love it, and the Sharkbite system is great even though the fittings are ridiculously expensive vs your expectations, and clamping on to existing copper is genius, removing them even with the wrench bit while they're in a wall is not nearly as easy as you'd think it would be.
Also, if you're planning on doing more than a few runs, just go ahead and buy the dedicated cutter. You'll try cutting it with a cut-off wheel or a reciprocating blade, but you'll end up going back to the store for that cutting wrench, just get it while you're there. Squaring them up and deburring becomes really, really time consuming...
Nice video Mike. I have a friend who works with black pipe and he owed me a favor. He ran my whole garage in black pipe. in the attic, up the walls all custom cut a treaded. I tried to get him to use pex but he wanted to do it his way. He put in 10 air valves and did a really nice job. I can't complain for free.
Guy Sly no you can complain about that.
He did you a favor. I'd choose black pipe over pex any day, it's a better heat sink.
Never use PEX for compressed air system's...
@@killingoldgrowthsince I never use pex anywhere, it is junk low cost material that just calls for failing and causing expensive damage when used inside a wall or between floors and ceilings. the cost difference does not worth the risk
Super helpful!! Thank you for making this video and taking the time to explain
Excellent video Mike! I recently bought the Milwaukee Uponor system (the same one you showed with the XC batteries) to replace some copper pipe and just found another use for it. I’ve always wanted to do some air lines in my shop but always put it off. Now that I know I can use the Uponor system I will have to get that done.
Thanks Mike!
Great video thanks for all the info
FANASTIC!!! Thank you for that invaluable information!!!
wow, thanks, great video, aa complete PEX school how-to. Thanks , keep the good work.
fantastic video. thanks!
Love hearing reliable information told straight with reasoning and data behind it. I appreciate the mockup wall too.
Fearsome Warrior thank you very much I greatly appreciate that comment
Love your video..ty..I'm still old school.when it comes to iron blk ,gas type piping..my dad had a 5 bay service station..back in the day..it was built-in the 1960s..he had it built..owner operator. Until 1999..the end of service station s..anyway..we never had any issues with the air lines in the place..I live in fl. Myself .I'm a car hobbyists..I built a 3 car garage in my back yard..I did use iron blk ,gas line piping for air..I put in a single post inground lift..I did use copper tubbing.ref.type copper with fittings. Underground..to the new hoist..it will not rust out..my dad did all the same thing when he replaced the lifts over the yrs..in his service station..yes I agree..it cost alot more..my dad was old school as they came..he,s 97..yrs old..today.he did over see my back yard project..5yrs ago..when we built the garadge..ive got 12 ceilings and his old saylor-beall 80 gal air comprsoir..to run my little hobby garadge..again love all your insights..on your new updated plumbing on air lines..love the plex tubbing..type a..as u said it lasts
Great information- Learned ALOT- good teacher- Thank You- God Bless
I have several Shark Bite fittings in the water supply lines to connect the copper pipe that goes to the water meter, and the rest of the pipes that are CPVC. They've been in use for almost 10 years and still working fine.
The best workers use Estwing hammers...like Mike does. Good video Mike.
Didn't you have anything better to do than make the BEST instructional video on you tube?!!! Thank you. Will be piping my lines today. Will follow your advise to a "Tee" (get it?). And why wouldn't I...you gave me all the knowledge I need for the project.
Great Vid very entertaining and informative. So many pipe choices now days. I did an air system set up in my shop 20 years ago for auto body (using high volume guns etc.) and wanted to do it in white PVC. I thought I was a genius. But did some research and called "Charlotte Pipe Co". They told me at that time that their pipe is used for many things and under high pressures but warned me not to use the pipe for a shop air system because there is the occasional failure and it can "grenade" or explode in pieces. So I ended up doing the system in 1" copper. Love the blue Pex option. Thanks for your time and great information. Great stuff !
I have had WHITE PVC pipe in my shop since 1990, at 120PSI....They are trying to SELL you something you do not need.
Mike is hands down THE BEST teacher on UA-cam! THANK YOU for always being so generous with your time & years of knowledge.
Following advice to use PVC for air could get you maimed or killed. It is ridiculously dangerous. Don't listen to this fool.
Good info mate very helpful
I have that compressor except 5hp / 20 Gallon. Tank just died 2 weeks ago and I replaced it with the Harbor Freight 60 gallon. Now I get to run a Pex line to the basement!
Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge great video
THANKS FOR GREAT INFORMATION MIKE
Thanks, well explained.
Great video.......love your "Florida" accent...lol.....I talk funny also....again, great vid
Finally, a video with exactly what I needed. Explained the kinds of pipe and how to’s perfectly.
nice video.you now have a new subscriber
thank you Mike, great job....
Milwaukee battery tools are the way to go. You must be doing quite well with all of those Festool systainers and tools. My Festool track saw and vacuum was one of my best investments. It paid for itself with all of the 4 x 8 plywood sheets that I was able to cut to size.
I learned a lot!
I like it.... simple stuff .... thanks
I really like the way you describe things. I've commented on maybe (3) youtube videos, but felt compelled to say well done on this one!
Excellent video!!, i was just starting to investigate this for my new shop. Keep it coming
RJ&JR RAILS g scale Solenske thank you very much
very good video lots of info
ranger2056 thank you very much
Hey Mike I'm a fellow plumber from texas. Never thought of using uponor for air lines. I'm going to try it out in my shop. Thanks for the idea!
Florida? I didn’t here y’all even once. 😜
Nice overview of the PEX fittings.
Great info
Cool Video, Thanks. I think I'll go PEX.
Great video man😁. Was gonna go copper, mostly cuz it's pretty 🤣, but gonna just go type-A pex w/shark bites, mostly cuz I'm lazy😏.
Thanks for the tips man😁.
Very helpful!
For the sewer pipe fittings, look in the garden section. They are with the long French drain flex piping.
John Biggi thanks for the info
Great video, very informative.
I've always hated cpvc for potable water, it gets brittle after dhw runs through it for a while, in my mind. evidence that the plasticizers have leached into the water
That is a result of the chlorine in the water, and UV breakdown from light.
Mike it has been my experience in plant...2in pvc explodes a 100 psi do to oil. not temperature ...copper does flake and plug up the regulator filters, ingersoll rand has anoidised aluminum, for big bucks...i op for Black pipe,,i get the disadvantages.
Great video, good information, well done. I used schedule 40 PVC for my system, for some reason at the time I didn't think about using PEX, even though I only use PEX nowadays unless repairing PVC. Absolutely love PEX, including the fact that you can do 100 foot runs with a single roll that you can transport from the store to your worksite in the trunk of a small car, and you don't have to glue up ten joints to do it (such a pain transporting twenty foot lengths of PVC, or even the ten footers). I'm building a new shop this fall, and my air system will use PEX throughout.
I have been told by and old machinist that ran his shop in pvc, that it randomly explodes, and that it should not be used. There are other comments here stating the same. If any of those are where your face could take shrapnel, it might be worth swapping at least those sections.
Been using pvc for 30 years. Rated at 425 psi. As in most carpenter shops I only have 125 psi compressor. Never had an “explosion” but I’ve had maybe 2 joints separate due to improper glueing. Primer’s cheap, glue’s cheap...don’t be stingy. Allow sufficient cure time.
@@louiswarmoth7354 Show me any PVC rated for 400 psi. Schedule 80 PVC is only rated for 215 and thats not air pressure. The oil and condensation made by the compressor is acidic and will break down the glue. You should also look up the average air temp coming out of a compressor then look what 130-150 degree temps do to the glue. Cuts the rating in half. Ive seen the carnage firsthand of a 1 1/2 inch PVC manifold explode under 110 psi. Like a shotgun shell full of plastic
Very informative video as usual. Mike I would be grateful if you give the guage of the wire for dust collection. You stated that wire cannot be single but stranded.
Christopher ABELA MEDICI it’s 18 gauge stranded
I can see the flexibility and ease of installation for this, but I grew up in the industrial world and learned to cut and fit black pipe , I'll stay with it.
JohnnyBDyer that’s just as good, straight as a arrow and looks great. I usually connect my gas piping to the tankless heaters with black pipe, looks better then flex.
Rust...
I have a shop that I installed CPVC tubing in 20 years ago and I have had no problems with it and I would use it again, however, I have the tubing going up to the ceiling straight off of the compressor and it runs along the ceiling to three dropdown reels. there is no chance that it will ever be hit by anything so I don't have to worry about bumping it and having it eject plastic shrapnel all over my shop. For that installation (and it has been awesome) I would use it every time!
That all said.... I am in the process of planning a new shop build and I am going to use PEX for the airlines in it.... I have seen enough videos out there that I feel confident that it will do everything I need it to do.... I will run it along the ceiling and then dropdown in several places for hose attachments and still have dropdown reels throughout the shop.
That's my plan.... we'll see how it goes.
One advantage to using metal pipe is that there's a better temperature transfer between the hot air inside and the cool air outside. This makes the air condense faster so in theory you will have dryer air
it is a fact!
I enjoyed the presentation. Very helpful.
I have cinch rings and the tool. Can crimp or chinch rings be used for compressed air lines using brass fittings and pex?
That was damn helpful
I used galvanized steel pipe for air line. You won't have problems with it in your lifetime. Plus 1 inch pipe will carry all the volume you would want. I had difficulty seating a combine tire with air hose as I couldn't get it close enough to the shop. Had to use100 feet. I added a 30 gallon tank at the end of the hose and then6 foot hose from the tank. It seated right away.
I'll stick with good old galvanized, and yes, it's still done by professionals. Did a hanger for the Federal government a few years back, Galvanized was required.
galvanized is not good for air tools...be sure you have a filter at each drop to catch any flakes...
@@daves7525 We run it for Nat Gas too down on the coast, and people say the exact same thing, I have yet to ever see a problem with it.
@@ChrisGilliamOffGrid If I'm not mistaken, NFPA 54 prohibits galvanized pipe for natural gas installations. The reason, the galvanizing can seal up porosity in the pipe, which later can leak if the galvanizing flakes off. A bad situation if the pipe is buried in a wall.
@@commonsense5105 Yes, I know this, however on the coast black iron lasts a couple of years. It's all Galvanized here.
@@ChrisGilliamOffGrid Thats what CSST is for. Seems like trading one type of risk for another.
Mike, where’d you get those plastic “J” hooks for hanging DWV piping on the wall? I am building with 5” pipe.
Thank you!
Mike I am loving your videos excellent job.
Very informative video Mike, I like the uponor system but would need to borrow that or just go with the sharkbite! Thanks
Very Good!..
Wow. Excellent video amazing detail this is the way I’m going
You have a lot of experience my friend
Thanks
I've would never use any form of plastic pipe for air. I don't even like PEX for water. As for Uponor, they just paid to replace all of the 3/4" hot side pipe in my home because of pinhole failures. But -- your mileage may vary...
NEVER....THIS IS NOT SAFE FOR FOR ANY THING 40 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH THIS AND I HAVE SEE THIS STUFF FAIL .REPEATEDLY ...PLEASE DON'T DO THIS !!!!!
@@rontrick4411 You're preaching to the choir. No need to warn me -- I only use proper air piping.
Our shop is all black iron. It's been working for almost 70 years
Use galvanise pipe and you won't have rust in your pipe, fittings and your air tools. Plus if you use a paint gun it's a must.
@@rexoverbey6533 If you are over 25 or 30 years old and use black pipe you will be over 100 and the shop air will still be working fine,,,,,I'm betting you do not use a CNC Plasma a few hours a day. ,,,, No prob with the blcak pipe there, my Brother. Spray guns are a joke compared to a plaz
Came looking for ideas for my shop compressor , nice video thanks
Great video Mike I learned a lot of information on PEX, didn’t know there was different types, I am starting my shop build out at our new home. Looking for ideas. Do you have a shop tour video ? Thanks Mike
GREAT video! So much info...quick question about the Uponor, so you count seven for 1/2, eight for 3/4, would it be safe to assume it would be nine for 1”
Oscar Lozano my mistake it’s 10 to 11 for 3/4”, 14 for 1” me bad lol
Great video! This was all new information for me.
Bill Lay glad you liked it Mike
Not being in the trades and familiar with this stuff + your accent had me Googling opinaw I've since found that it's uponor 😂
Thanks for the info!
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What about using cinch or crimp fittings? Are 1 of those superior I've noticed they are pushing cinch clamp now more than crimp know tools are cheaper.
As far as removing SharkBite fittings, you can also use a large plastic conduit strap in a pinch!
I run 185 psi in my shop. all run with black pipe. It has worked for 35 years with no problems. I don't trust plastic that much. As for the push on fittings, if they are anything like the push on fittings on big trucks they will fail with a little age on them. I had a Volvo tractor that i had to replace a lot of those fittings and it started within a year on them. It was a real pain to do but as they went bad i replaced them with regular fittings. The push on fittings are quick and easy but will develop leaks with age. This is just my experience with these, your mileage may vary.
Good coverage of the topic. Can you show us how to make a water trap with off the shelf stuff? I am thinking of a 2" steel pipe, 24" air in at the bottom, air out at the top, t fitting and valve at the bottom for a drain, with a brass or copper coil winding inside the 2" steel pipe.
Good video my friend! I just rented a shop for paint and body work and was going to have to plumb my compressor! CPVC it is! I knew it could be done but you always here “you cannot do that” God Bless!
Please read through the comment section here, not just my comments on the theory behind why this is dangerous, but others actual experience with this.
PCV and CPVC ... we were taught that when gluing you place the cement where you indicated, insert and twist, like you mention, but the joint should be held together for about 15 seconds.
Like your videos. I enjoy the tool and shop ones. I am looking at fixing an air compressor and putting into my shop. I live in my North East
and would like to remote the compressor out side but Do not think that I can run it in an unheated space. I was thinking to run rapid air line underground from an unheated shed to the shop. What are your thoughts at -25?
Lou
In the past until quite recently I know that both type A and lower grades of Pex were very susceptible to U/V even that generated by florescent lighting. Has that problem been solved as most of my shop run is in open air with windows around? Used outside it did not last a year in an exposed application. Also were you using CPVC glue between it and brass? Take care. Doug
i need to create multiple air ports to separate paper before feeding through my press can you give me any insight? i have house air running through the shop but want to supply continuous air to the stack of paper before feeding through the press, any ideas or thoughts on having inline multiple airports?
dean simon e mail me you contact info at economyplmbg@aol.com and I will call you on Monday evening. Mike
Thank you, trying to copy air system but can not fine reducing fitting Pex1/2 to air tool quick disconnect, what do I use?
Use this along with a 1/2 to 1/4 reducer Then a 1/4" quick disconnect
Thanks for the information Mike. You showed Sharkbite and the Uponor expansion fitting but would you recommend using copper crimp ring as an alternative? What about PEX B pipes instead of PEX A, especially for northern climate?
I use oetiker clamps on my pex airline install. They are cheap, the clamp tool is cheap, and the fittings are way cheaper than shark bite style fittings. Haven't had one fail or leak in 3 years.
We have one problem with level lines they may hold water and freeze in the winter, some only heat their shop when in use. I only say this from experience having seen freezing and cracked pipes and depending on how lines are run it could be an issue.
John Gibson he’s in Florida, and talking about AIR lines, don’t see a problem.
Yes I know, I have seen airlines freeze here in ny
I ran air pipe for a new shop in Amherst, VA. They had me to run 3/4" PVC plumbing pipe. I had to convert to rubber hose in the roof because of an oddball angle at the pitches. The compressor was kept out back. The owner made a awning for it. Everything was fine & dandy. Being outside on a cold day, we have a problem. The condensation in the line was terrible. If it was in a heated room, we wouldn't have had this problem. We can build a shed around the compressor with vents. I have a shed with a compressor in it and never have problems. Enclosing it without heat, do you think we would still have the moisture problem?
Thanks for the video. This will help me put air in my garage at different spots.
It was -25 here in Ohio. Been here my whole life and still will never get used to cold lol
Summit M18 HVAC it hit 25 here in Florida the other day
This was 25 below lol but I could only imagine the people in Florida when it dipped to 25 lol
One hint. If you run your trunk lines low and bring the branches vertically up, the problem with water in the lines is greatly reduced. Slant the trunk line down slightly and put a drain valve at the end. This allows you to blow the water out of the trunk lines. I use PEX behind walls, where it's protected. Copper is used where lines are exposed. Never use PVC (for safety).
I like the sound of that! So your saying run my main line from my compressor down low? (Knee high or???) Then insert my T's for my runs and run them up to outputs. Then obviously the valve on the bottom main line I got that part lol
Yeah, I don't trust it. With age it could get brittle. I did it because the boss told me to run it with this type of pipe.
What is your opinion on crimp on fittings using copper rings and a crimp tool. For some reason the upinor system didn't catch on in this area. As a plumbing contractor I have used them many many times. Just wanted to check and get your opinion. Thanks
My experience with PVC and probably similar results with CPVC is that that the glue in the joints is broken down by the oil coming out of the air compressor. I put this stuff in a lab I work at at NASA and the glue joints failed after a few years or oil exposure. We went back with copper. Yes a bit pricey but uncle Sam was paying for it. PEX might be ok. If you go PEX don't use any plastic couplers or Tees.
Right. Sure you did, at NASA huh?