A New Breed of Flat Earther Enters the Battle!
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- Witsit Gets It is a flat earther I hadn't seen before. Does he have new ideas and the will to convert swathes of people to flat earth? Or (and this is much more likely), does he have the same old arguments that have been debunked before. He obviously just "doesn't get it".
Exposing more Dunning-Kruger in todays Flat Earth Friday!
Here is Witsit Gets It's original video:
• The Earth Is Still Flat.
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He must be credible. He is wearing his hat inside and backwards.
I only believe people who wear sunglasses indoors.
Dubious! and upside down?
And he had earbuds in... What was that all about? Was someone prompting him?
oops, I posted the same thing before I saw your comment
At least its not sideways.
"We have no proof of the flat earth. We don't even have a working model of the flat earth. Therefore, it is true". Made my day.
"The globe theory only has known facts, and predictions based on a globe earth that fit with reality. Therefore, it is false." Wut?
How did these people live so long being so stupid.
@@josephrodriguez2780 because breathing and beating your heart are automatic systems... mores the pity.
@@josephrodriguez2780 they should be euthanized
"You can't debunk us, not even we know what we believe!" - Flat Earthers, apparently
yeah his point at 3:27 is hilarious
Fr mans debunked himself 💀
Yeah, brilliant.
I should've used this philosophy in math class; "Teacher, I cannot get the problem wrong because I didn't turn in any answers because I am not smart enough to figure out the problems".
"The Earth is a globe" _is_ a claim. It just happens to be one that's demonstrably true.
"Kill it before it lays eggs" makes much more sense now 🙉
Not without CGI it isn’t.
@@SirNieMowDoMnie
CGI is required for your fantasy.
@@toberrdrawforc i knew it flat earthers are cgi!
@@cryaldood3656
English. It’s important.
Witsit’s plan: 1. Get high 2. Read thesaurus 3. Fire up webcam in stepmoms basement 4. Word vomit nonsense 5. Ensure fingertips keep touching in an attempt to look smart 6. Wear hoodie and backwards hat to sabotage step 5.
🤣🤣🤣
Exactly what happened.. step 1a.. take stupid pills and prozac for complete loss of reasoning. People that get high or drunk have more sense than that. LOL
Hahahahaha
Damn! I never picked up on the pattern, but now it's so obvious.
@@georgeadams6277 prozac might actually help him. It's a crapshoot.
“Globe earthers just regurgitate words like refraction.”
Makes entire video regurgitating nonsense from other flerfs.
Refraction, relative density, perspective . . . the all encompassing non answers.
Bahaha
Jan Jaap de Jonge non answers how again?
magnolialover He is saying that flerfers use words like refraction, relative density, and perspective, all without knowing what they mean, as a way of countering the science that supports that the Earth is a globe, when in reality, those words are non-answers. Actually, funnily enough, the phenomenon of atmospheric refraction is one of the things that contradicts many of the flat Earth claims they make. As for relative density and perspective, they are just misusing those terms.
Jan Jaap de Jonge
Like gravity!
No one can ever debunk a flat earthier quite as well as they debunk themselves.
"queue" a 15 degree per hour clip.
So true! :)
🤣
Thanks Bob
@@Requiem4aDr3Am Hey I wanted to comment that!
He loves the word ‘fallacy’. All I see is a cap wearing phallus.
Phallucy
His hat isn’t on backwards it’s actually rotating at 15 degrees per hour.
Not a hat but a plate!
Thanks Bob...
He's the backwards guy even his brain !!
Rotating at 1000mph you say? Impossible, the hat would explode.
A 15 degree per hour drift
New Flerf hero: “Can’t cherry pick facts...”
Anyone sane: “You omitted the last part of the quote”
New Flerf hero : “Shut up!”
@todd peachey Here you go.
ua-cam.com/video/lPipaYPnKZs/v-deo.html
You've seen it and posted a pathetic response to it because you don't understand physics.
Here, this might help but may be too advanced for you
ua-cam.com/video/Ps90zArJEJY/v-deo.html
todd peachey Hey! Loved your guest spot on GreaterSapien.
OMG, please nobody watch this, it‘s 7 wasted minutes of your life...
@todd peachey: please get your physics straight!
E.g. start to play with your toy cars on a train. Repeat your collision experiment once the train is stationary and then when it has reached a steady speed. Then please tell us your findings....
or talk to anybody who has passed 1st year of physics. Please!
Man, he is so full of himself, the word "Dunning-Kruger-Effect" hardly suffices. Should we call it "Witsit-Gets-Effect"?
😋
I thought the same. He does feel super superior. And in the same sentence, he said Flatearthers doesn't have a model. Yeah right. Next^^
@todd peachey I don't get your comment... Are you suggesting that you compete to have the Dunning-Kruger-Effect renamed after yourself? Or are you just a very elaborate troll (in the letter case: touché, you nailed it!).
"Thanks Bob". Lol, gets me every time!!
Lol A dislike in the first minute? That obviously means a flat earther is subbed with notification on.. Smartest thing I've ever seen one do.
3 now
@@marsar1775 I think it's how they figure out what their arguing points will be for the week. They watch scimandan and they get red like a cartoon blowing smoke out their ears. Then say we must say these points 50 times each this week that way it sounds less stupid. At least that's how I feel their logic works for presenting arguments.
@@theoretic7856 that would make sense
I'm a little late to the party, an hour late. But it doesn't matter because I woke up 15 minutes ago (9:30 am British time)
I get that too; I had wondered why it happens
LOL gyroscopes are so "incredibly inconsistent" that ships can navigate using them, *more* precisely than with a magnetic compass.
And the navigation in aircraft would be nigh on useless if it couldn't be consistently calibrated to true nth using Earth's rotation. When was flat-earth ever about evidence ..?
Thanks Bob
But that's all just fake right? Gyroscopes are just toys for little kids. I mean it's so obvious that when we travel long distances we all just travel in giant circles constantly turning either left or right but somehow never noticing this.
Yeah, so inaccurate! I use them on my underwater robots. I find my target on the sonar, get a range and bearing, tell the pilot the bearing, he sets the GRYO CONTROLLED auto heading, and we end up RIGHT on target... So inconsistent!
@@hapaxl.6075 Aircraft actually calibrate using magnetic compasses (or GPS, beacons etc) - it's actually a FE favorite to bring that up, if the flat earther is one of the smarter ones.
Ship gyrocompasses, though? They literally wouldn't work if the Earth was not rotating AND a sphere.
Of course, even the smarter flerfers always neglect to mention that aircraft gyros drift due to curvature, that long-distance flight plans are made using spherical geometry etc etc etc, because they're all about cherry picking.
Here’s how burden of proof works:
Say you have a classroom of 100 people and they have to solve a problem. To make things easy, the problem is 1+1 in this example. They all put their heads together, and do some experiments and they come to the conclusion that 1+1 = 2. One guy says “So it’s agreed everyone? 1+1 is 2?” Everyone agrees, and that becomes the consensus. A while later, someone comes along and says “No, no, no you’re all wrong. 1+1 is 3.” Of course, everyone’s going to look at him like wtf are you talking about. We all came to the conclusion the answer is 2. So it’s now up to this guy to give evidence as to how he came to the conclusion that it’s 3 when everyone else already had proven the answer is 2. This is how it works, and anyone that tries to say it’s the other way around (flat earthers) is delusional.
Precisely. Of course, given that they have no proof, all they can do is shift the burden. Then when they see our proof, they scream "fake!". This is how dishonest people have always worked. Nothing new here.
Holy. Shit.
So you are saying that "general consensus" is considered "proof"
That is exactly what flat earthers argue.
Also, if what you are saying actually happened in the real world, we would still be living in caves.
@@ReValveiT_01 The problem arrives when they think they've given proof while they're ignoring any debunking of thier proof :P
@@Kyrelel you obviously didnt read the whole comment. The proof was when everyone did their experiments and came into the same conclusion (they didnt necessarily do the exact same experiment)... but guess what flat earthers dont do that, they dont even have a model they all agree on. They do tests but then delete the results if it doesnt help their cause. *cough* Bob *cough*
They all say its flat but they have different ideas on how its flat, is it a puddle in a neverending snow-plain or is it a pancake floating somewhere - they dont agree which. Are the stars artificial lights floating inside the dome or attached in the dome itself - they do not know which.
So just like what Keith said, flerfs dont have proof of their own claim and they shift the burden to globers... "we say the earth is flat, disprove us or we are right" - and they have been disproven but they deny it. :D
You got that a bit wrong there. They don't come along and say 1+1 is 3. They just say: I don't know what it is, but it definitely can't be 2.
After 12 minutes of word salad, him spouting largish words I well know in a seemingly random pattern, I had to give up. my hat's off to those, especially Dan, who stuck it out to the end of that verbal torrent of irrationality.
You made the smart response because that is what I wanted to do but I kept saying to myself "I must see it through!"
Special investigators ought to hire this guy; he could mentally bludgeon anybody into confessing to anything, JUST to get away from him!
The worse part was how he kept mispronoucing educated as "indoctrinated."
@@mikebronicki8264 He only knows being indoctrinated, so he confuses things like that; Science, Fringe belief, what's the diff, anyway? *HE* certainly can't tell.
That's a novel approach, you can't disprove a flat earth because we flat earthers can't prove a flat earth.
Similar to the idea that it's real because you cant prove its not.
@@Sciguy95 You mean the invisible, tiny elephant that lives in my garage and lives on a diet of Rice Krispies?
@@RustyWalker yeah, and the undetectable microscopic elves that live in my ears and whisper the secrets of the universe to me at night.
@@Sciguy95 And the invisible, all knowing man who lives outside space-time!?
I had to pause and laugh for a good couple of minutes
Basically:
"We don't have a model.....you can't debunk it....so the earth is obviously STILL flat"
He talked a whole lot of words but said absolutely nothing.
He proves that you are not smart by saying a lot of words
He's almost got the pronunciations worked out
An articulate idiot. The worst kind, since dimwits think that word-salad means they must know what they're talking about..
I totally concur with your hypothesis did I spell that right. 😂
The jackass in the video what is his name I would like to tell him by his name he's a jackass.
*In the ideal world:*
Flerf: Evidence!
Everyone: here you go!
Flerf: _Understandable, have a nice day._
*In our world:*
Flerf: Evidence!
Everyone: here you go!
Flerf: LOL no.
Video Game Music spurce is furke brah. Lol. I love fighting with flerfs.
Hi videogame music
flerf is a much more fitting name. it seems so... *childish*
they dont say Lol no. they say CGI :3
You forgot the perfect scenario where the flerf says, I need meds and lots of help. 😂
Videos like Witsit’s make me very aware of my privilege. I was privileged enough to have a high school where we were taught critical thinking and how to verify our beliefs through testing. Where we performed our own experiments to verify our proofs. I was privileged enough to go to university several times where I we learned first-hand how the scientific method is actually applied. I was privileged enough to travel during my life, which gives you first-hand proof of the Earth being round. I also have the privilege of participating in many different cultures which freed me from the trap of only seeing the world from my own silo. If only FE had the same opportunities.
This is proof that someone can learn big words and "sound" articulated, and yet still have absolutely no idea what's going on.
Kenneth Bradshaw yea just like dan and his google searches 😂👍🏼👍🏼
he is over doing it a tad bit.
@John Doe I think it's the opposite. Typically a person who feels inadequate, will attempt to compensate with verbiage.
Reminds me of a youth pastors.
you have no evidence of that, you need cause and effect and our statement is missing cause and effect hahaha...this guys is coo coo...
"It's not fair for you to argue against the Flat Earth when we don't enough evidence to prove it." - The Great Flat Hope.
The first part of his whole video is literally: Globe lie, Flat true, why? Because i say so.
Yup, remember that any idea you have is a strawman. Lol, what a strawman. 😂
That's why he's called Dipshit Whatsit.
The trick is swinging around with a lot of numbers or technical terms to sound intelligent, then mixing it up with unrealistic claims. Flat minds will think...wow this guy is smarter than any professor i know, an he could be my neighbour...“they“ lie to us
@@simonemeralds8738
"Flat minds will think"
FALSE
Flat minds don't THINK, they BELIEVE !
You know, watching guys like Witsit is just so depressing. It really is so hard to understand why people would willingly become so uneducated about the world around them. It is like people rejoice in claiming their ignorance, and take pride in just how little they know. I guess this is referred to as Dunning Kruger effect, but still, watching guys like this and Kent Hovind etc just make me fear for the future of the species. You realize the Elon Musks of the world (to use 1 example) are outnumbered millions (if not 100s of millions) to one, those who have a positive chance to move this species into the stars etc, and those that would willingly hold us back in stupidity and ignorance, and revel in it to boot. :(
Humanity is generally on a see-saw if you take the 'short view'. While in the long view we've been going in a very obviously better direction overall, if you broke it down to decades, you'd see how things went from enlightened to 'we're all dead...if we're lucky' to 'huh, this particular noble set up a tiny free school for the serfs' to 'welp - this duke is a horrific sadist that likes to mutilate the servants' on and on.
We lurch forward towards a better future as we're able, but there have always been forces that wish to keep that from happening. We just have to roll with it and try to do our part to keep this sort of stupidity from coalescing in our own families and friend groups if possible. Not much to be done for the insistently ignorant - just have to hope they grow out of it, or the rest of the population becomes too educated to fall for it.
@@Hanyousan1661 thanks for the lengthy comment. Food for thought and a more hopeful analysis.
He doesn't care what the actual facts are. His whole thing is to make rational people doubt their rationality. IOW, a gaslighter.
Giving musk a bit too much credit there.
This I where I struggle. I have no words...
“Need to prove a globe Earth”: 1. okay, cue the yodeling. 2. Cue Bob: “A 15 degree per hour drift.”
At least his parents have a good looking basement.
Lol
The wood paneling is a little dated, but at least it looks like it’s finished.
Love the yodelling
Bring on the yodeling! Lol.
I HATE the yodeling, it's s major ear worm (a song the just keeps replaying over, and over in the head) for me, and very annoying. Quite often I have to put on normal music to cancel the repetitious noise.
It’s like going into court and saying “We have blood evidence, we have eye witness testimony, we have DNA and fingerprints, and we have cameras that saw you do it from seven different angles, from which six types of facial recognition software have identified you specifically.” And having the defendant say “You have no evidence.”
Not quite. It's "AHA! In this video on this frame there's a dead pixel. Therefore all the tapes are fake, as is the DNA evidence! Also, you didn't find the murder weapon I taped to the underside of my car, so there!"
@@cearnicus Exactly! You nailed the illogic of "here's this OTHER even MORE damning evidence against me that you DIDN'T find: therefore, ALL your evidence against me fails"!
cearnicus I concede. That is exactly what a Flat-Earther would say.
Witsit Liftsit, google Austin Witsit shoplifting at 30 years old. I lifted a Snickers once when i was 12, my dad booted me in the ass and then made me sweep the stores parking lot.
I think the defendant would say something more like "Nuh-uh!".
That's more akin to the general level of logical debate capabilities of a Flerfer.
I don't know. He has his hat on backwards, seems legit.
Because it's says MAGA on it, and that's so 2016... :)
@@jg4521 MAGAs don't wear Calvin Klein
Oh shit you're right now did I miss that!!! Brb burning all the globe models 😆
Jason Brimeyer 😂
obviously, his cap it did not come with instructions
after he said postulation for the third time i started taking a drink. im so drunk now i may fall flat on this earth
If you wear a backwards cap inside your home, anything you say is irrelevant.
Delete “inside your home,”.
@@jackson_68 The only reason to wear one is when you're a catcher. When you're playing ball. You know what I mean!
Sometimes I do, as I have very long hair.
I love how it sounds like most of these people just learned the word “fallacy” last week. Test driving their new vocab lol.
That's what I used to do as a child. Speaks of their intelligence highly.
Yup & I learned the word "Fallacy " from Jesse Pinkman in Breaking Bad & I'm proud about it , damn it !!!
Never confuse with phallacy, that's a whole different thing.
Specificity
FALLACY, how can you not lie down and let this dude mind fuck you
The flat earthers were proven wrong by Wallace and Gromit back in 1989 when they went to the moon, these people seriously need to be more informed 🤦♂️
Yeah! Even Jimmy Neutron showed that the earth is round.
winnerking And the Jetsons even earlier.
...and you wonder why the the flat earthers (and globe deniers) claim cgi 🙄
Don’t forget Marvin the Martian 😉
David Xp Probably the same people who take the Flintstones as proof that humans and dinosaurs co-existed.
They should send flat earthers into space so they can see how wrong they are. Then forget to bring them back.
God please stop...I can only get so hard
I like having them around. There are no good comedy shows left on tv these days so these people take up the slack.
Have you been there?, how many times have you been "in space"?🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@hectorgutierrez9526 I dont get it
That’s a funny thought, except space doesn’t exist.
Flerf: "Show evidence!"
Sane people: *Shows evidence*
Flerfs: "Fake!"
I'm surprised by this flerf's spectacular learned word salad that he most likely got from many other older flerfs
He has been listening to Nathan.
The Whitless wonder.
Can’t be wrong though
pHoTo sHoP!!!!!
Sane people: 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Funny how there are no flat earth scientists, but there are COUNTLESS scientists whom flat earthers would call "globers" 😂
Flerf: "You must prove your claim!"
- here's the proof
Flerf: "that proof is invalid because *insert incorrect observation they don't understand*"
- well how do you prove the flat earth?
Flerf: "we can't prove it yet, because we don't have all the info"
🙄
That is why you do not argue with them. Cannot win an argument when they outright dismiss the evidence.So all they do is try to drag you down to the depths of idiothood that they live in. I believe the saying is something like, "It is difficult to win an argument against a smart person and impossible to win an argument against a stupid person."
Apparently my eyeballs aren't good enough. I see things disappear behind the curve everyday...so, I literally see the curve. I also see how it all matches the globe model. Apparently the information from my own eyes isn't good enough? Where is this magic info that will prove the flat earth, WHERE??
Why should we believe in a flat earth when no observations, nothing, match it....
They have no model and cannot produce one. So what's the point! How long must we wait for this magic info that will explain why I experience the globe.
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 you'll have to wait a lifetime, appearantly, because they will never ever be able to prove it. That won't stop them from claiming it though
i like how flat earthers think using some fancy words make them smart while we just laugh at them for how stupid they are xD
p.s. if u look at his eye u see he is reading a script because the fancy words made it hard to memorize
"It's all fake, you need proof."
"Here's our model, though it's incomplete and not definite."
actually it's "what model? we don't live on a model"
Don't forget....
And only in my imagination.
Bill Nye said "Why don't you be the first person to go the edge and take a picture?"
Bill! Bill! Bill!
"Show me evidence!"
"Here's tons of evidence."
"I don't understand or believe this evidence! Show me evidence!"
And the cycle continues.
Ask Elon musk.
The cycle only continues if sites like this continue to give these people the publicity they crave.
People like scimandan are not interested in proving these people wrong. Anyone with even the most basic scientific knowledge knows that the best thing to do is ignore them.
All of these "debunking" sites are part of the same problem. They are complicit in the flat earth scam. Lots of people are making lots of money from this scam including the likes if scimandan. It's disgusting. They're filling their pockets whilst this kind of reductuonism proliferates and ends up with people attacking 5g engineers.
These videos should stop
@@Lunarfacia I will respectfully disagree. The advent of the communication abilities we have is giving a platform to the flat earth community, it is not what has invented it. Debunking series are a typical result of disagreeing points of view. These debates have been happening for generations, youtube has simply made them public.
Now as for your comments on making money off of it. I say why not. They are taking their time, putting in effort, and providing a form of entertainment. They only make money because someone is watching. Don't blame the creator, blame the audience.
Also people would still be attacking 5G engineers. People freaked out that cameras were stealing your soul. People thought phones were witchcraft. People don't handle change well.
You've missed the point in a number of issues. UA-cam may provide the platform but it us the "debunking" videos that make it appear that it is a topic worthy of debate. That is why I hold the people making these videos to account and not the people watching them. Richard Dawkins refuses to debate creationists in case it gives the impression to anyone that evolution vs creationism are two ideas based on an equal footing. They simply aren't and, as a result, the proliferation of this kind of recuctionist thinking is creeping into society with very negative effects.
5G engineers would not simply be attacked anyway f it were not for conspiracy theories being able to fester and gather support. As I mentioned previously, in the past the loonies were isolated and had no ability to let dangerous ideas gain a large amount of support very quickly. Now they do have that ability so tbe last thing we need to do is help them. That's exactly what these "debunking" videos do. Of the 11,000 + people who watched this video,how many do you think knew the name Nathan Oakley before watching videos like this? Very few I would wager. Being introduced to odious vermin is bad enough,helping him to make money is unforgivable.
As for the people making the "debunking" videos making money, I most certainly don't think it is OK. It is dressed up as science but the science on display is superficial at best and they are making their money by promoting a group of verminous charlatans so that they can piggy back on the gravy train. If any one of them has a scintilla of of understanding about these things then they will know that the flat earth people are a. Undereducated, paranoid and incapable of taking part in reasoned debate or b. They are con merchants holding particular views for financial gain. Either way you cannot win an argument with them. If they know this (and only a fool would assume they don't) they they are complicit in this hoax and are contributing to a gradual but noticeable dimming of public reasoned enlightenment.
These videos are part of the problwm.
@@Lunarfacia I understand your argument, however I believe that you are putting too much value into the fact people will be heavily influenced simply because such videos exist. Giving credibility to an argument because it is opposed by a man in a t-shirt on youtube isn't the same as if it was a NASA engineer from the ISS.
Anyone who discovers Nathan Oakley through Scimandan will look at it skeptically or was predisposed to the concept of flat earth already and was just a few google searches from finding him on their own.
And as for just letting the problem disappear into the aether, if that was always true, shouldn't there be no need for debunking videos already? Round earth has been proven for hundreds of years already.
I would rather have an opposing voice to the conspiracy theories, than to let them hide in the shadows until someone finds them and they resurface.
I wish flat earthers would stop saying “WE ALL were indoctrinated “ because I wasn’t, and neither was anyone from any of my science classes.
AGREED!
That is always the angle which makes me chuckle, and tickles my medula ablongata. But, we were indoctrinated in the strictest sense.
Specifically, we were first taught (or presented) how we go about formulating hypotheses and theories, obtain and verify evidence.
Then, we are indoctrinated (presented) with the model and the history behind it.
Then, we are challenged to apply this knowledge to show to ourselves not only that something is true but why it is true, and we make make up our own minds.
This multi-stage process is called learning. I did not use the words teach or taught because by nature, if you did not transfer information or missed a step, then learning did not take place, at least fully. Teaching is directly tied to learning.
But I digress. Teaching is not indoctrination in one sense. The common colloquial application for indoctrination is it is one way communication from a top level down. You do not have that in the educational context.
It's projection to try and belittle science into a religion. That way they can pretend to refute facts by just saying the facts are just blind belief. Witless himself said it best: it's pathetic. More projection?
The irony is they are all coming from a religious perspective, which is the queen of all indoctrinating syndicates
@@paulsweeney2959 what demonstration/experiment were you shown in which you saw a body of water curving and clinging to a spinning object?
or an object that by virtue of it's mass alone attracts another object into orbit??
I must have missed that day..
Your word vomit is indicative of your arrogance of consensus, you're not that smart..
the US education system must be dreadful
Awwww bless him.. he's a little bit late to the party and wants to join in with the big boys conversations.. lol
Big boys aren't a part of this there are just people who know the truth and dumb f's that think they know sh*t
Just to clarify, by ‘big boys,’ you do mean most people over the age of twelve, right? Lol 😄
Newbies are so cute.
And so dumb.
New ground, na !! I'll just beat on the same horse as usual. Very disappointing !!
Bless his heart
@@pauliedoodle1939 IQ over 12 also required
Everyone: Grass is green
Flat Earther: no it isn't I have never seen grass
Everyone: here is a picture
Flat Earther: Fake science
CEE...GEEE...👀
It’s cute when they learn words. Not that he knows what the words mean or how to use the words together, but still, baby steps.
"I have the best words." Trump 😂😂😂
My thoughts exactly Lee 😂
The more letters the better. I had some beauties come out in my videos 😂
Postulations was my favorite.
Ala Margrethe Jensen ....every time that I have a postulation, I rush to the doctor to have it removed.
9:24 Did he just claim that the Catholic Church told us we evolved from apes? Just wow.
They just can't grasp the fact that we're still great apes.
@@BrutalKnight55 The catholic church was the biggest believer in flat earth... lol
The Catholic Church only came to accept evolution as a fact many decades after it had already been scientifically established. So that was a terrible example to use. Also, it constitutes an ad hominem. It does not matter who claimed we evolved from proto-apes, that does not make the claim false.
@@angelmendez-rivera351 Catholic church used to kill those that said earth is ball. Not a good practice for progress. Can you explain the prime causes of evolution from the molecular level on up and how is the bacterial flagellum(all ways) problem solved???
George Adams Ask a biologist. I am not a biologist. I literally have not made any claims here about molecular evolution whatsoever, so I have no idea why you are asking me. My degree is in physics, not biology. I can explain the theory of evolution with sufficient sophistication to a science student, but I cannot answer highly specific questions about highly specific mechanisms, because I am not a biologist, and certainly not an evolutionary synthesis specialist... nor have I ever claimed to be.
That guy must have missed a vital part of the philosophy of logic. He's too preoccupied with "fallacies" and too blind to actual evidence.
Trond Zaphirax the fallacy fallacy
He clearly got that from Joakley, who shouts "fallacy" every time he's in danger of being shown up for talking crap.
What’s dangerous is that these guys try to sound intellectual 🤦🏾♀️
Abstract Jakobe...sadly, within the Flattardian circle, he is an intellectual.
William Robb I noticed that. It’s wild how they’re the fool in the middle of the circle looking at everyone else like they’re the fools
@obi666 kind of like Joe Biden ? He lost his place on the teleprompter, about five times today ? Ended up speaking total nonsense !
"We don't have a model.......therefore the earth is still flat"
~Adult human being
Maybe he's just an apparent adult (due to refraction).
Correction: "adult" "human being"
@@theultimatereductionist7592 Oh, I wasn't making any assumptions either way on the "human being" part of that description! ;)
“Swoosh” on the “air quotes” around “adult”
We don't have a model??? So, we're sitting on nothing?????????😱😱😱😱😱
When he started talking about "a mile of curvature" I flashed on some discussions I had with my land lady 48 years ago (only stayed there for a summer job thankfully). She belonged to an Edgar Cayce "study group". One the the revelations she shared was that there was this special place on earth with no gravity. And the proof was that all the trees there grew at a 90% tilt. Needless to say, I did not argue or even ask for clarification on WTF a 90% tilt even means. The loonies they have always been out there and always will. Best stay clear and ignore. Until they become presidents or something.
"I've been doing this for three years..."
My sincere condolences... 🙏
@Malte Christesen Yes. Yes she is very proud for not raising a nincompoop. You are a lamb flavoured idiot.
Malte Christesen you don’t understand basic physics. Once you understand physics you understand that it is a ball.
Malte Christesen
We’re not brainwashed, we just have a brain.
So he makes a specific claim, the earth is flat. But would not like burden of proof that comes with it, because he doesn't have a specific model. This is called a "Don't hit me" fallacy, where in you protect your ideas from criticism by acting too pathetic to be held accountable.
Ooh right back at em
Jermbot15
Wow, that’s accurate,
of what a lot, of them do.
Globers just regurgitate facts...
Uh, yeah...they are facts.
Let alone the irony of the regurgitation comment.
their bodies are literally a fact lol
In that case flat feathers can't do math since its all fact base lmao 2+2 will only ever make 4 and only ever 4 its a FACT
imagine being this guy's friend
"hey man, u wanna go for a beer?"
"I correlate and substantiate the effect of consuming the beverage and validate the consistency of the postulating regurgitation."
😂
A person who can't work out how a hat works wants to tell us the globe is wrong? Bwahahahahaha!
He doesn’t know how lighting works when making a video either 👍
Ha ha good comment
"A New Breed of Flat Earther..."
Oh, god. I forgot that they can breed.
Underrated comment
Yes, it is most unfortunate
Best remark award winner!!! I'll be laughing all day!
Would that be via Stork or Cabbage Patch
They can breed....bro...they're increasing Noooooo
Next time a flat earther says "independent variable" without having a clue about science, I'm going to scream.
You might as well just scream now and get it over with. 😆
I can't scream; I'd scare three senior citizens who live in the same house as I do.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 the gyroscope example is the best, love how Bob just couldn't realize how stupid he looks trying to explain why a $20,000 gyroscope is not working, love it.
Until this guy starts to post videos whilst driving around in his car, he has zero credibility as a flat-Earther.
That's just some of the information he's missing. 😆
Hahaha
Maybe CC Chris from.... Where was it again? Wyoming. No South West westershire? Worcestercestrershire. Can't remember
Any way. Maybe CC could give him a lift.
...and if he wants to ascend the flat-earth ranks he has to rip up a children's book at Target like Nathan Thompson.
I don't know... he could shift his filming position to get the water heater into shot, that always aids plausibility.
His argument in a nutshell: globers have the burden of proof because they have a model but we flat earthers have no burden of proof because we don't have anything... 🤔
what do you mean, that makes perfect sense!
*haha funny joke*
@Pearshapidness No. An observation to falsify a globe earth has never been made. But, of course, you can link one. But please, please, not the one mentioned in the video above.
And, please, improve your logical thinking. Witsit Gets it says himself, that a positive theory needs a positive proof. So saying the earth is flat needs a proof.
Also, there ARE a lot of proofs from the last 500 years. So there is absolutely no burden shifting. Only an avoidance of thinking, since you keep ignoring 500 years.
its still unknown for sure and both sides sound stupid when they claim to know anything about this.. its obvious and this dude is saying its a fact end of story.. its ok to know the limit of mans knowledge and accept it .. you both dont have firsthand knowledge of anything significant to the subject.. there is no case between yall.
@@Jonnie_Tha_Junglist good one. The 'there are good people on both sides' argument. Two sides to the story. One side has consistent theory supported by hundreds of years of observations. The other has ... what?
But we have to give them equal credence.
@@Jonnie_Tha_Junglist Except there is first hand knowlwdge of the Earth being a sphere, that it rotates, that it is a tiny, tiny spec in the grand scheme of things.
Some just don't want to know about it though.
His arrogance is overwhelming and his attitude reminds me of TC Oakley. He is so sure that he is correct he will deny everything and anything that disagrees with his worldview. Then because he is “right” he believes he doesn’t have to prove anything. Surprisingly though, by his own admission, he tells us that he hasn’t got all the information and therefore hasn’t got a model. Why not? What has be been doing all of his time? Has he just been blasting away at his keyboard and ignoring the world outside his trailer? I’ll give this numptie one question to answer: If we live on a flat Earth then why do we have horizons in front of things? That has to be geometrically impossible on a flat Earth. My suggestion to this chuff-nugget would be to zip off and start learning more about the about the planet (either the real one or his imaginary one) and then present us with a model. I suspect he hasn’t got the balls to do that because he knows it will be ripped apart in seconds.
Lol
His balls are flat man. 😅
His a flatearthet his word should be all we need according to him anyways. Lol
Based on his lack of ANY supporting material, it may be that he is just cynically jumping on what he thinks is a religious-based FE gravy train?
It is a pity the UA-cam does not fund according to the likes you get; this guy would soon end up owing them money.
I'm in 9th grade, and even I can prove the flat earth model wrong. On the flat earth model, you can see Antarctica from the glorious mountain Everest, due to the world being horizon-less. Unfortunately this doesn't happen because we live on a globe, and not a pancake.
@@orinbecker9937 Well said, and quite correct.
All flat earthers claim that a flat earth is provable. Yet, they never prove it.
“We have long distance observations everywhere”.. cool, what is the independent variable? Oh, you don’t have one? Then it is not science according to your definition.
@todd peachey ua-cam.com/video/lPipaYPnKZs/v-deo.html
They also have no explanation as to why these long distance observations require specific circumstances to happen and are not the 24/7 standard of the "flat" world... Which in itself is already a cherry picking fallacy.
@@Ugly_German_Truths Or why the Black Swan's own photographer, on a different day in the exact same position with the same camera, DID clearly show curvature blocking the oil rig. They just completely ignore that second photo, as it completely violates a flat earth. Their own damn photo.
@@gateroozeink5061 i always love it when they bring up the "black swan" and all the related stuff about it. My normal response is to ask if there is a hard vacuum between the beach and the oil rigs?
"It's a clown world, it's pathetic"
Well well, if it isn't the pot calling the kettle black
More like the pot calling the silverware black. (To borrow the phrase from Aron Ra.)
*Wrong* - pots and kettles don't exist; only flat plates and saucers ☝️
@obi666 Hardly, since it dates to the time when open fire cooking was common and both would be equally blackened by carbon deposits. However, I suspect you are being facetious :~D
@@TheOwlman I suspect that he's been told several times that "All Lives Matter" is not a clever riposte to "Black Lives Matter". It displays the same motivated misunderstanding with a heaping helping of "I'm not touching you" disingenuous attitude.
His style of thinking is written on his clothes: Backwards.
That's "sdrawkcaB" to you globe-head! (jk/lol … Poe's law)
Brian Blackmore ...and his hat is on backwards too. These people are the downside to the internet.
And that's exactly the logic that's used.
Every single experiment in recorded human history has followed the same format.
Aim, Method, Conclusion.
The FE brigade have turned this tried and tested formula literally on it's head.
They have started with the conclusion the Earth is flat.
They have used all there methods to back up the premise.
All to promote the aim.
How many times have actual science experiments proved themselves wrong?
How many times have actual scientist bofins admitted they were wrong?
Answer every day of the week!
Get a flat rather to do that!
I would love to see a flat earther prove these 4 items wrong!
1. You can prove There is gravity by shooting a ball into the air at the same speed the earth is moving upward towards this ball. If there is no gravity then the ball should never hit the ground.
2. If it is clear skies, you would be able to see the lights of Chicago while standing on top of the Empire State Building. As it's only a 1,000 miles from NY to Chicago!
3. In the southern states flying from say Dallas, Tx to YW at 35,000 feet you would be able to see the Atlantic and the Pacific Oceans. Fact is you can't see either ocean at 35,000 feet in Texas headed north. Why because the earth is curved.
4. Explain why water turns clockwise in what we call the Northern hemisphere and why it turns counterclockwise in what we call the Southern Hemisphere? Fact this can be seen with our own eyes and been proven by Weather.
Flat Earth should have died with with the Beyond the Curve. Bob proved that the Earth rotates at 15*/hour and Jeraneurysm's double glory hole experiment proved that the Earth is a curved.
But Bob and his followers didn't accept that. I like the way it went:
*gyroscope shows 15 degree per hour drift*
Bob: It's detecting the movement of the sky, let's put in into a tube
*gyroscope in a tube shows 15 degree per hour drift*
Bob: you know what? Forget it.
Interesting......
If you read some of their musings on the glory hole experiment, they always complain that it was bad editing or the set-up wasn't right etc. Yet despite it being a pretty elementary experiment, none of them dare to repeat it - instead they prefer making ridiculous videos and playing with the definitions of words.
@@ChrisPBacon-bm6ld yeah I love to wind them up with: the last I heard, they were trying to shield it from the heavenly energies - maybe they should try wrapping it in tin-foil next :)
@@ChrisPBacon-bm6ld As one of our other commenters said some time ago in a different thread:"For sale: Laser gyroscope, one owner, slightly used, requires calibration (shows 15 degrees of drift)"
This guy: “if you make a claim, you have the burden of proof”
Me: “the earth is round”
Him: “show me the evidence”
Me: “here’s a picture of it”
Him: “those are all fake because nasa conspiracy blah blah”
Me: “Sounds like a claim to me”
Ikr? I dont understand why flerfers just get away with calling it all fake and cgi all the time. 🙄
@@andreaskarlsson5251 You'd think these flat earthers would want to go and see the rocket launches with their very own eyes. Maybe they could prove how fake it all is... LOL
@Malte Christesen intuition and eyes? My intuition, experiences and eyes tell me the world isn't flat.
@Malte Christesen Obviously. Because you're a kook that think the earth is flat and there's a global conspiracy that have lasted for hundreds of years to keep the population in the dark. Odd tho how everything that relies on the real and current model works... xD
@Malte Christesen What about my comment? you didn't reply to it..
I bet his search history says: “big words to use in debates”
I second that
Cali Cawley who actually says pOsTuLaTiOn
obviously someone who just learned the word lol
None that he can actually spell.
Or he has a word of the day calendar lol
Surely, before flat earth muppets say anything, they must identifhy "they".
I find it funny how they claim to know science when they’ve never ever studied it
Ikr
This guy thinks fancy $10 words makes him sound intelligent and makes him correct. Unfortunately, for him, he just comes off sounding trite and foolish.
His mommy is away so he takes lots of big words from the dictionary sits on her couch and makes a video stating the earth is flat with zero proof but the saddest thing is people actually swallow his bullshit
Normal Person: "Here is my claim. Here is my proof."
Flat Eather: "I don't believe you. I also changed the definition of proof."
You can't win an argument with delusion.
It’s the pigeon & chess board analogy in real life.
Can't beat out stupid I reckon.
Discussing with Flerfers is like playing chess with a pidgeon. It will knock over the pieces, shits on the board and then flys away to tell the other pidgeons about its victory.
Lol well done 👌
They also believe that Photoshop was invented in the 50's, space is fake and many seem to hangout with the anti vaccine and anti mask crowds
“Axial rotation has never been substantiated” 5:11 Er!…yes it has, and by your very own Bob Knodel and other well known flat earthers, who purchased a laser gyroscope for tens of thousands of dollars, and with it proved the 15° per hour drift.
Thanks, Bob
I’ve never seen someone so certain that something they have no proof of exists. That’s called, muppet fallacy.
Hi Lenny!
Homer J. Simpson
Hey homer.
It is called Religion.
crguti
Ouch😉
At least his mom has a nicely decorated basement.
IKR?
😆
Daniel Pratt should take a few decor tips from this.
😂
And my aunt a nice hat
Flerfers can't even explain a sunset. Sure they come up with "perspective" and a sun which, while being close, moves so far away that it appears to meet the horizon and then go below while visibly maintaining the same size because...magic.
Often that "magic" is of a creationist or at least very rigid religious nature. That is despite many religious people being white happy to accept the entirety of scientific knowledge.
Lol. Magic is seeing something millions of miles away with the naked eye.
@@destrywelch9536 You mean like the planets? How about stars?
@@destrywelch9536 Your passion for making a mockery of yourself is highly amusing.
Please do prove my point with your no doubt witty & urbane retort.
@@leftpastsaturn67 i only hear the sound of crickets, i doubt your're gonna get that response.... lol space comma.
One thing among others in flat earthers is that nobody repeats any science experiments that prove earth as a globe.
He’s like a toddler stamping his feet, trying to say he’s right just because he says so 🤦🏻♂️
@todd peachey So you don't understand physics or math therefore god. You are a new level of Dunning-Kruger.
todd peachey What in the actual f my guy! Get some help. The earth is a globe full stop
I clicked so fast I broke the fabric of space and time.
Spacetime is one thing!
I clicked so fast I broke my computer mouse.
Milan Hlaváček Well then you understand how fast he was then, to separate space time in to two separate entities and break them simultaneously. 😄
The same effect happens everytime I blow a load
@SigmaTauri2 needle and string theory.
This guy doesn’t just understand physics, he doesn’t understand logic either. He’s the one making the claim so the burden of proof is on him.
"He’s the one making the claim so the burden of proof is on him."
Globe Earth is a positive claim, and it has the burden of proof.
It did meet it 2500 years ago.
The heliocentric model of the Solar system is a positive claim and has the burden of proof.
It did conclusively meet it almost 200 years ago, but by then it was already considered sufficiently evidenced for 200 years.
Flat Earth is a positive claim and it has the burden of proof
It has to explain _everything_ Globe Earth and the scientific model of the Universe explain _at least_ as well.
Unfortunately, our flattie friends don't even _suspect_ what's the incredible quantity of data that led to building those models and how perfectly those models fit.
If he did, he probably wouldn't be a flattard.
Why don’t we just put a predominant flat earther on a trip to the ISS
Someone taught this intellectual toddler some big words. Looking at you Oakley!
I detect a fair amount of Riley there as well, in his insistence that science is only about cause and effect.
we're getting to go to Mars, and this dude still trying to explain about the "flat earth"
Maybe when we get back they'll explain how Mars is flat also still with no proof
@@wrexxx-effect4434
But the flerfs already know Mars is a sphere, and has a rotation period, because they DIRECTLY observe it with a telescope.
Oh, wait, P900......
.......that they can't focus.
@@UncommonSense-wm5fd we don't have the means to establish a colony there, but an outpost might be possible within this century. we just lack any real reason to establish such an outpost.
@@UncommonSense-wm5fd Tropical daytime temperatures on Mars get up into the 20s Celsius. At night it drops into the minus 80s, very cold but the night is only as long as it is on Earth, unlike the Moon, so it can be partially counteracted by good insulation. Antarctic winter temperatureson Earth are comparable. Other aspects of the hostile Martian environment will be much harder to deal with though.
@@olivinator There's plenty of reasons.
This is hilarious. Albert Einstein once said, there are only 2 things that are infinite. The universe and human stupidity. He wasn't 100% sure about the first one.
There is a lot more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe. And it has a longer shelf life. - Frank Zappa
@@bernardoconnor1502
Think about how stupid the average human being is ... and then remember that, statistically, half the people you meet are going to be even stupider than that.
- George Carlin
I doubt it’s stupidity. I believe for many it’s ignorance for others it’s profit from those PT Barnum referred to as the suckers who were born every minute.
@@danielvazquez7482
Hanlon's razor clearly states, "Never attribute to malice what is adequately explained by stupidity".
Cult leaders of flat earth, Brexit, creationism... they all know that they're lying, but they're smart enough to manipulate those too stupid to understand that they've been lied to.
It's been the same all the way down human history... further in fact.
😔
He is just a troll. No way in hell he actually believes that.
Interesting how he will take Einsteins word on a subject, but all other scientists are lying to him.
Flattard: "Show proof of the earth being round!"
Normal Person: "Here's proof. You have pictures, you can do these experiments and here is the science of it"
Flattard: "That's fake!"
NP: "No, but okay then you show proof of the earth being flat"
Flattard: "......"
NP: "......"
Flattard: "It looks flat!"
Sounds like a monty python sketch. 🤣
@@kingbadmovie
And that, my liege, is how we know the earth to be banana-shaped.
@@FosterZygote This new learning amazes me, Sir Zygote. Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.
Bännylicious Really, their "evidence" and "proof" is 100% feelings-based. They feel like they understand, so they think they understand, and then they jump straight into the logical trap of simply believing everything they think. It's all about "feelings" and believing everything you think without _honest_ questioning.
Gotta watch the holy grail now ...
“They just regurgitate things” ... while ‘partly’ regurgitating things for his own BS argument ! 😂
'partly' ? you mean totally.............
If it at least were an argument, he just says "We can't/won't proof shit and I don't believe you, so the earth is flat!"
"Faithless fashionable flarther's first foray finding flatness falls flat in funny fumbling filmed failure." 🤔
Erinnert mich an die Funk Füchse
#notallheroeswearcapes I love alliteration and you are my hero!
@@Eagle8599 🤣🤣 a wonderful welcome winging its way to wish you well
*Fenomenal (!) frivolity, fair friend*
Some family member must really regret giving him that logical fallacy book for Christmas.
This guy made me roll my eyes so far back into my head that I saw my first memory
"I can prove the Earth is flat!"
*About one minute later*
"I am not making a positive claim!"
proving dark matter exists is easier than that.. lol
George Adams That almost makes it sound like dark matter's existence was ever hard to prove in the first place. It's easy to prove dark matter exists. What is difficult is understanding what it is made of. Nobody knows what it is made of yet, but as far as existence goes, the evidence in favor is just as overwhelming as the evidence for general relativity or the evidence for the Big Bang.
@@angelmendez-rivera351 The thing is "dark matter" is just an ambiguous term to refer to a source of gravitational distortion with no apparent cause. It could be that there is something that has mass that we can't detect yet, or it could be that there's a mistake in our understanding of gravity.
Daxyl This whole "or it could just be" argument is unscientific and is very annoying. Yes, it could be that there is a unicorn residing in the belt of asteroids located between the orbital ellipses of Earth and Mars. However, there is no evidence that this is such, and trying to act like this is somehow equally as likely as the contrary is ridiculous. My point is that the same is true for dark matter. The same is true for any scientific discovery. In fact, I could use that same argument to say "it could be that our understanding of physics is wrong and the Earth really is flat." Yes, it obviously is possible, but the likelihood is so tiny that it is not worth considering. General relativity is supported by overwhelming amounts of evidence, and so is the Lambda CDM model. Is it possible that they are wrong? Yes it is, but it is genuinely a million times more likely that dark matter really does exist.
Daxyl Now, if you want to disagree with the claim that there is more than sufficient evidence for the Lambda CDM model, then be my guest. But simply saying "it could be wrong" is not a valid argument. Any claim anyone makes "could be," but no one cares about the "could be," we only care about the "most likely."
He doesn’t understand “Burden of proof” . Those who make a claim without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Yet another flat earther dismissed ; who would have thought ? lol....
@P. Spit LOL - PeeSpit -- You say there is no proof that the earth is round. Then the rest of your comment is about NASA.
Apparently you have no proof that it is not round. I have made video after video showing that it has to be a sphere and that flat cannot work. So long, PeeSpit
@P. Spit i have been around here 3 years. I have watched pretty much every flat earther and debunker there is. Every single flat earth "experiment", if there ever was one has been SOUNDLY debunked over and over and over again.
As I said, which you ignored, I, myself, have collected my own data for experiments that SMASH flat earth.
Try to get that through your P. Brain.
@@turbobrain1342 You are using Ad Hominem fallacies, so you are wrong and you have lost.
#FlatEarthWin
@@Laffey99 i said 1 thing, so where are all these fallacies. "Ad hominem" means that I attack the person and not the point. I didn't know that I was in a debate.
I think it is you that has lost.
P. Spit
I can prove the earth is not flat.
I lived in Alaska for over 20 years. During the summer, the day was 19&1/2 hours long and the reverse in the winter. Not only that, but instead of the sun passing high overhead in the sky, it would rise and trace a low arc all the way around the horizon and set near where it rose; and during the winter, it was the opposite. The sun rose and set in a short arc on one side of the sky. There is no flat earth model that can explain such phenomenon. If the most northerly latitudes are in the center of the “disk” then it should be the opposite. There is no way for a sun to rise and set on a disk world that can explain the differences in where the sun travels across the sky at different latitudes and the varying length of day at different latitudes. At the equator, the sun always rises and sets with a narrow area high across the center of the sky while it’s completely different at high and low latitudes. Only a spherical earth that has a tilted axis that points towards the sun in summer in the northern hemisphere (while it’s winter in the southern hemisphere) and away from the sun during winter can explain the various differences in the sun’s position and arc across the sky, the variation in day length, as well as the pattern of seasons in both hemispheres.
Picture it in your head or buy a globe and use a flashlight to simulate the sun in a dark room. When the tilted axis is pointed towards from the sun during summer in the northern hemisphere, as the planet turns, a person living at high latitude (such as in Alaska, Canada, Greenland, Scandinavia, etc.) sees the sun at a different angle than someone living at the equator; hence why it traces a low arc around almost the entire horizon instead of being high in the sky. This also explains why the days are so long; because the earth’s axis is tilted towards the sun, as the planet rotates, a person that far north only spends a short part of the day in shadow so the night is extremely short and most of the day is spent in daylight.
There is no flat earth model that can explain these dynamics. No amount of jury rigging can produce an explanation for this basic reality. Every person who has lived at high latitude has experienced these phenomenon on a daily basis; having almost 20 or more hours of light and being able to sit outside and read at midnight during the very middle of summer becomes normal. There are no angles at which the sun can “travel” across a flat earth that can explain this. Even if we conceived of the sun circling around the earth in a coplanar manner so that it move around the edge of the “disk”, this still cannot explain the differences in the sun’s angle and the variations in the length of the day. In such a case, the entire “disk” would see the same height of the sun and in essence, the sun would never set. It would be daylight 24 hours a day for the entire “disk.” So the flat earth model cannot explain these phenomenon (among many others.) it just doesn’t work.
Einstein: "... the motion can not be detected by an OPTICAL experiment" .... well, optics is not all of physics and we know that there is no absolute motion; only acceleration can be detected and motion relative to other objects.
Sometimes freedom of speech gives me concerns.. Stupid often speaks louder than smart.
Yeah, stupid also never listen to smart. That is why climate change is still a major problem.
@Personal Anonymous Absolutely right, freedom to speak our minds enables us to challenge idiots. It's just a shame that sometimes some people can't tell who's the idiot. Open forums are good like that, but the real trouble I find is that it can take a lot of correction for a little bit of bullshit and sometimes the bullshiter is doing it on purpose. Those occasions, I just don't know what to do.
Yeah. I just wish people werent so gullible, so that speech wasnt so dangerous. Of course we need the freedom of speech, I wont budge on that. Its the lack of critical thinking that concerns me more.
@@danm2084 healthy scepticism is truly something to encourage, but the line between distrusting any one source or everything but one source or distrusting everything but yourself is (for some reason or other) really quite hard for some people. Just look at all the religions out there, it's not like these people don't understand things, Muslims and Christians can be chemists or nuclear physicists - but if they applied the same extent of scepticism they should apply to their careers to their personal beliefs, I don't think they'd stay religious for long.
Even so, it's only really a problem when people start to take these beliefs and justify them beyond the evidence and reality observed or refuse to give novel concepts the fair chance to prove themselves.
Freedom of speech is indeed something we can't afford to lose, but I think there need to be enough educated sceptics out there to counter the nutty and the mad (and outright malicious or troll-ey).
Sorry for the long reply, I kinda get carried away.
@@widget3672 haha all good. Yeah, the religious thing is pretty complex and varies from person to person. I remember Joe Rogan asking Ben Shapiro why he has to eat kosher food. Hes like so its just blessed or what? Whats it do? And Ben basically says its nothing its just tradition but I follow it anyway. Its like WHY?! Lol. Some just like the tradition or find value in the ideals outside of believing in the God or the myths that its built upon. Humans are so complex it can boggle the mind. The fact that the mind can be boggled speaks to the complexity of things.
I just wish more people recognized the nuances of the world and showed a little wisdom in admitting the things they cant or just dont know. (Sorry, I got carried away on my own thought too haha)
"An insignificant speck of dust flying through the universe", that's what he is scared of.
Yeah that quote was sooo revealing!
So, he doesn't actually have an issue with the globe model itself...he just doesn't like how science is shrinking the gap for his god. 😑
"The lights of a million places I will never see." Sgt. Schlock, Schlock Mercenary, by Howard Taylor. Just finished it's 20 year run on the internet.
So he's suffering from a typical masculine insecurity: "I'm too small"
He should spend less time in from of a mirror ...
Just tell them that we are just like the Whoos from Horton hears a whoo.
It's long been a massive drive for humanity. Existential terror can drive people to glory and ruin.
The Jesuits? Established 1540. So about 2,000 years of science before they ever existed, including the Greeks, the ancient Indians, all the brilliant mathematicians, physicists and astronomers of the so-called "Muslim enlightenment" and the European who studied their work and adopted their observational tables, Mikolaj Kopernik. Oh, and the scientific method he cites. Who first set that out, and applied it rigorously in his work? That would be Hasan Ibn al-Haytham, long before the Jesuits. It was adopted and applied by later admirers of his, including Johannes Kepler and Francis Bacon.
If Witsit Gets wants to chuck all that out, I invite him to dispense with any concept of zero, with algorithms, algebra and the numbering system we use (so his computer will have to go in the bin) and tell me how to divide DCCCXLVIII by XVII. What? You can't do it exactly because it involves fractions which you can't write in Roman numerals? Oh.
There's nothing "so-called" about the Muslim enlightenment.
@@rickc2102 No there isn't. I usually put those words in front of "golden age" (which strikes me as a bit of a silly expression). Typing it here was just absent-minded and, as you say, not appropriate at all.
@@MartinJames389 Civilization games taught me that Golden Age is when your civ strikes some good bonuses, and you're on a roll! In real life it usually something's high point before stagnation or worse, it's more of a figure of speech than any exact period. For example the golden age of arcade games ended when arcades started disappearing instead of growing.
Why is it that everyone that believes in a flat has an extremely difficult time just speaking?
Ha ha for a second I thought he understood the burden of proof.
His ego can't handle the "tiny speck of dust in an ever expanding universe." Sad
Yeah, the way he said that was truly funny ^^
He can't cope with the fact that we're a dust of speck. Kinda.
It reminds him too much of another dust of speck he's got in his pants. ^^
Personally, I find it absolutely *amazing* and wonderful that we are this tiny little speck on a tiny little speck within a tiny little speck swirling in an unfathomably large universe. Flerfers are so terrified of being insignificant while the rest of us are just absolutely gobsmacked at how tiny we all really are.
@@seretkeena Spot on, well said. 👍
Could we call it OPPOSITIONISM, just to invent more words like he did 🤔😊
Jesus Fing christ, do these people ever hear themselves, every damn thing he said in denial of the heliocentric model is everything they should be being told/hearing.
x1000 just like every other Flerfer. Denial is not a skill.
Pretty sure they do hear themselves because I'm sure they watch their "masterpieces" over and over smiling and super convinced they are woke and smart. If anybody was a mental illness denier, these idiots could sway their opinion. This is insanity defined.
@@kristinfrostlazerbeams true. Regurgitating no sense over and over again is Einstein's definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results.'
This is best said by _Far Cry_ villain, Vaas Montenegro:
www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DrKMMCPeiQoc&ved=2ahUKEwjbsMDC_-XqAhWNTcAKHUHYBUsQo7QBMAF6BAgJEAE&usg=AOvVaw2FnxkstVHb7MHE104OBBKJ
They also LOVE to jumble together words that they think make themselves sound smart and educated when in reality, they’re just vomiting word salad.
If he has no model for flat Earth, then how did he come to the conclusion that the Earth is flat?🤔
I guess "god" told him...