that was one of the first things i thought. They have their "use your own senses" dogma but then will only allow those to work for their stupid ones. "i can only see flat things in the 1 mile of visibility that i have in my immediate surroundings, so therefore the earth is flat"... but now won't let the final experiment be called an experiment? can't we compare that "observation" in Antarctica part of the experiment comparing to other observations made at the SAME time all across the globe? do they believe the bottom of the earth is flat? where does magma and lava come from? where are the tectonic plates coming from and where are they going?
flerfers already have to disregard evidence that disagree with their beliefs, why not also disregard their own observations that disagree with their beliefs?
@@jonathanstout9920 They will just say. "Well this is how reality works you just won't understand." Then me, *Looks at the webcam trying not to laugh at their stupidity.*
Flerfs: "Give us demonstrable proof and we'll admit we're wrong." Also flerfs: "Even if that is real, it doesn't prove anything, despite us saying the exact opposite from the beginning."
@@MattH-wg7ou That video (Frozen South, by Anthony Powell) is absolutely beautiful - and obviously real to those with an interest in photography. We go "cool, those are the very specific circumstances that make that happen", while the flerfs go "CARTOON!"
It doesn't even need to be dismissed though, you can prove that we would see a flat horizon on a globe using a basketball and a smartphone (provided the smartphone can zoom in far enough). How I did this was to put the basketball on a table, hold the smartphone against the side of the basketball, and then aim the camera up at the top of the ball; the intent being to have the line of sight as low-angled as possible relative to the surface of the basketball visible on the picture. If you zoom in all the way and play around with the angle you can get shots with a pretty flat horizon all the way across. Flerfs will of course counter by saying that there is still a visible curve, but this demonstrates that as you magnify the image and lower the angle of your line of sight the horizon will appear flatter and flatter. Anyone with half a brain can look at those pictures and understand that if they were the size of a gnat standing on the surface of the basketball they wouldn't be able to see any curve in the horizon.
um...what you are hearing is how the community been dunped Jeranism and globebusters ears ago. Everyone noticed EVERYONE participated in Flat Earth Confeence are just money making youtubers. You guys dont hear about the real truthers that expose these guys. Guess what? They're opponents are ALSO money making youtubers. Why else would someone quit their jobs to "fight the flat earth" ? Its a whole ring just to take your time and money and keep you all dump and distracted. These guys never mention people with real information Look up QNFEE QNFEE Stop with the eric dubays jeranisms and globebusters bs. We been knew they were shills and this is why they always end up looking like goofballs.
TFE is an experiment. It records the position of the sun, relative to the horizon, over a defined time period. There's everything there to conform to the scientific method. Flerfs know that it's finally over (it was before of course) so they're desperate to discredit it. Unfortunately their claim that "it's only an observation" discredits every single one of their arguments for flat Earth. Goodbye flattards, you've argued yourselves into nothingness. Time to find another grift or, heaven forbid, an actual job.
As I have said before, people don’t become flat earthers because of evidence, so it would be nearly impossible for them to change their mind as a result of evidence.
Right. If they are already looking for a way out, this does give them a sort of face saving excuse. The do still have to find something like a real job, so it won't be easy.
@@TweetsTheBirb Dave's channel is definitely targeted towards the people who are "genuinely" "just asking questions." That is, the flat earthers who aren't super into it yet. The big channels and crazies are too far gone, so to speak, but I think this kind of stuff could be pretty convincing for people on the edge
@@incognitoburrito6020 i mostly watch this channel cause i’m a computer science nerd and anything to do with math and science with a hit of drama easily peaks my interest
I always assumed the "experiment" part was to see if flerfers would put their beliefs to the test, knowing they would be shown up. Testing if they are sincere or just grifters. If they don't take a free trip then they are grifters.
Not only that, but it also heavily implies to me that they are grifters when they suddenly start to get so defensive about the results. If you really believed in the flat earth, you were going to accept the trip with confidence, just like Dave. Perhaps even excitedly for the perspective that this could finally shut up those pretentious globers.
It's an experiment to see if they'll accept reality once it's shown to them, or hold to their ridiculous faith in spite of evidence. Such experiments have been performed already, of course, and the results have consistently shown that no amount of evidence can change their views. Repeatability is important, though, so we'll soon see whether the results of this experiment are consistent with all others thus far. Prediction: When they see that the Sun does not set during Antarctica's summer, most flatties will hold fast to their faith that Earth is flat and will scramble to come up with a new, completely absurd "explanation" for how this phenomenon could occur on a flat earth. I have a secondary prediction that there will be hilarious arguments among flatties over which "explanation" is least ridiculous.
So Nathan Oakley "interviewed" a plumber who was in Antarctica for 18 months. Oh but wait...how could he have been there since the Antarctic Treaty prevents anyone from going past the 60th parallel? The self-contradiction is strong with this one.
Oh, but you see, he wasn't FREELY going to Antarctica. He was employed and stuck at a specific location and watched and chained to the boiler as to never speak about the glass dome, but he's allowed to speak about no sun, just not about the dome or the hidden expanse beyond the ice wall or-...... 😂😂😂
If he was on an oil rig I'd like to know when his time off was. No one is stationed on a rig for eighteen solid months. Maybe he didn't see a twenty-four hour sun because he wasn't there. Or maybe he's lying of course. But the assertion he worked there for a straight year and a half with no time away doesn't wash.
I wonder if "they" flew the plumber to a movie studio set in a Hollywood basement to unclog some presupposed, antipodal toilets or perform other actual plumbing repairs? Nuh-uh you say? 😊
all i see is fools who think the teacher at school was right and brainwashed by some movie thinking space is real - crack on though fool with your indoctrination
Eric Dubay and other Flat Earthers now deny they ever said that... which is like earlier this year when Trump denied ever having said "lock her up" with regard to Hillary Clinton. I'm waiting for Arby's to say, "We never said we have the meats" and Sir Mix-a-Lot to deny he ever said he likes big butts.
I still think that thought is sneaking around in their tiny reptile brains. They have saying for so long you can't go there, and now someone, including flat earthers, are, somehow, going. That can't be fair. Or something. So they are immediately on the back foot, and now have to come up with and explanation as to why the team will look south at midnight and se the sun above the horizon, and somehow fit that with a Gleason map.
@@Calango741 Good point, and it's important to remember why they claimed this: that whole time, they maintained steadfastly that traveling there would show irrefutable solar proof that the Earth is flat!
I absolutely agree on the last point that everyone who refuses to go can’t deny the results. It would be like saying “I don’t care” to what pizza you’re getting at a party, and then complaining that the resulting pizza has anchovies on it. Dude, you had a vote.
@@joelellis7035🤣🤣 I actually do like them, but I like them chopped & spread throughout the pie, not just putting huge slabs of salted fish on it. I also prefer a smaller amount than you traditionally get on most pizzas.
Science isn't done by voting. And, peer review doesn't require reviewers to attend the experiment. Flerfers' opinions on the topic are irrelevant. Their questions about the shape of the earth only persists via absurd rejections of verifiable, repeatable observations. Flerfers might as well argue there isn't a BBQ place on the same block as me, but refuse to ever go there, refuse to accept photos, video, maps, websites, etc, etc. They're an amazing display of the various way humans can warp their own perception of reality.
Those who've declined will deny receiving an invite once the experiment is over. Despite the evidence to the contrary their followers will believe them.
@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 it's a bit of an inside joke referring to "the lost episode" of the A-Team. It just popped into my mind with the mention of anchovies on pizza.
Yeah after years of claiming no 24 hour Sun, they are desperately trying to concoct excuses to explain a 24hr Sum. Oh for the good old days when they could claim armed penguins have been preventing access.
They'll just do what they did last time. They'll say the 24 hour sun is not only proof of flat Earth, but can ONLY work on a flat Earth. 'Triangulation' and 'flat baseline' will probably come into it somewhere.
Next year's experiment: Millionaire offers flerfers a chance to go in to space. Flerfers: "They'll just drug me, put a VR headset over my eyes and put me in a swimming pool."
Easily countered by pointing out that no one makes a VR headset that's waterproof. And also, while drowning the flat earthers would solve the arguments, it's probably illegal.
I really don't get their pool argument. I mean, water is the medium which causes things to float, but people breathe air. So, how exactly does a vessel immersed in water, but contains air and passengers, cause those passengers to float? It's a ridiculous notion.
Independant variable: - daytime - date - location Dependant variable: - Duration of sunlight - time of sunrise and sunset - azimuth of sunrise and sunset There, Nathan. Fixed it for you.
And also like, there _are_ observational sciences. Astronomy, for one. Not that flat earthers believe in astronomy, but it's all about forming hypotheses and making predictions, and then making observations that fits the prediction and analyzing the data. Can't exactly have independent and dependent variables when your experiment subject matter is 100 light years away
As a control I would like to see somebody on the same day in the arctic circle documenting the fact that the sun does not appear at all. When we have simultaneous observations of a 24 hour sun in Antarctica and a 24 hour lack of sun in the Arctic we can then ask all of flat earth to come up with a map of flat earth where this is possible.
You definitely have not left the flerfs any wriggle room, with this presentation. Their denial of the result, before the experiment, just goes to show how much they rely on their grift. They are in full panic mode, as their lies are exposed.
every time i hear nathan talk a quote comes to mind "you keep using that word but i dont think you understand what it means" so he's just throwing all the buzzwords he can to sound smart in an attempt to deny this experiment
In my younger days, I did a "summer tour" (October through February) at McMurdo as a firefighter/EMT, and a tour a few years later at Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station. The upside was the novelty of the 24 hour sun. The downside was screwed up circadian rhythms, loneliness, and bitter freaking cold... Along with the knowledge that if I had any medical issues, there was no way out until the season ended. It was a great opportunity before I had a wife and kids, and looked really good on my resume. But now being over 60, my health wouldn't allow a repeat. To be honest, I was young, and the money was one heck of an inducement.
You know they don't believe in their own bullshit, because otherwise they would stick to the idea that the Southern midnight sun doesn't happen, instead of suddenly arguing that it wouldn't prove anything.
Yup. The fact they're back pedalling before the experiment that would prove them right if they were right goes to show, they genuinely do not believe in the things they are saying. If I knew a car was red, and had my entire career depending on the redness of this car, I don't try to say it being blue doesn't mean I'm wrong or refuse a trip to the parking lot to make it easier to say "none of you actually saw a blue car"
@@catpoke9557 Someone once said there are flat earthers who sell T shirts and flat earthers who buy T shirts, and it's metaphorically (and sometimes literally) true. There are those who don't really believe it who are selling it , and there are those who do believe who are buying it. So what's happening is that the Eric Dubays and the Dave Weisses of the world, who don't really believe in the flat earth, are providing a voice and a safe space on their channels for those who do to reap the rewards. Honestly, if I were in their position, I'd give it all up for a trip to Antarctica. It's a trip of a lifetime most people will never get to experience.
@@jwb932Oh yeah most def lol. Especially the ones at the top that have followers. Some of the lower level minions are definitely just dumb and really believe it.
Eric Dubay BEFORE TFE : “If the earth were a globe, the midnight sun would be seen in the southern regions in December”. Eric Dubay AFTER FTE : “The midnight sun in Antarctica isn’t evidence of a globe”. Even flerfs are seeing through his back-peddling lies.
The trip was never the experiment. The experiment was the reaction to the trip. The hypothesis was that the flerfs will make up every excuse under the sun to avoid going. The hypothesis has largely been confirmed.
Flerfer - "i only believe what I can see and observe. The horizon looks flat, thus the world is flat" "It's only an observation, doesnt prove anything. " do they even realise how they contradict themselves?
um...what you are hearing is how the community been dunped Jeranism and globebusters ears ago. Everyone noticed EVERYONE participated in Flat Earth Confeence are just money making youtubers. You guys dont hear about the real truthers that expose these guys. Guess what? They're opponents are ALSO money making youtubers. Why else would someone quit their jobs to "fight the flat earth" ? Its a whole ring just to take your time and money and keep you all dump and distracted. These guys never mention people with real information Look up QNFEE QNFEE Stop with the eric dubays jeranisms and globebusters bs. We been knew they were shills and this is why they always end up looking like goofballs.
i think its weird that you keep watching these videos yet you seem to think flat earthers dont know anything. Would you watch videos of people who cant multiply? i doubt it. ask yourself why are you so captivated by this that dont matter to you? i am sure you arent an idiot. You gotta ask yourself why are you watchign these videos. Do it. ask yourself and you willdiscover something... that is unless you are already too far gone. . .
@@Mike_Greene this video is about the final experiment trip. I watch these as its entertaining , also you learn some things about photography and I like to hear what they come up with next. Having studied astrophysics at university its fascinating to me.
@@magicknight8412 nooo seems you like to bash flat earthers. meaning you are here bullying people because they have a certain thinking different than your belief. You may as well be a racist. i saw your comments. they bash flat earthers. And you arent being paid to do it like the fool that made this video. if you are really interested inthe sky as you say... Then look at this guy videos QNFEE he debunks the flat earthers AND the crew that debunks those flat earthers. they are all in the same money making game. they control both sides and fed from bnoth sides and will continue to go at each other. QNFEE have videos you will be interested in and he also solves a lot of issues with jeranisms flat earth bs
I've said all along that the real experiment is "If you invite flat earthers to Antarctica to potentially see a 24 hour sun, will any of them have the guts to go?"
This, 100% - it's amazing more people don't pick this part up. TFE is, at its core, an experiment to see if Flerfs can be intellectually honest when confronted with direct falsification of their position. They've already shown an irrefutable pattern of dishonesty, and except for Jeran, are universally pre-rejecting the outcome they know will happen.
And it's not even damage control from an actual result. Just the PROPOSAL that someone is going to try this sends them into full panic, throwing everything they can at the wall to discredit this experiment. If that doesn't prove they know the truth and are just lying for fame/money/infamy, then I don't know what does.
@@mofayer As much as I hate to admit it, this will not kill FE. I think we all know that there are enough people who are both gullible and stubborn that they will refuse to accept any evidence, no matter how damning.
They've made claims for years and now that they're actually faced with checking it first-hand they've changed their story. Sounds like they're in damage control.
What makes the TFE even a stronger experiment is that the sun won’t be observed from just Antartica alone but from multiple places around the world at at the same time.
They have nowhere to move this time. Anything they try will simply be transparent ignoring of reality. Any credibility they have when they dispute the claims will be thrown out the window when people know they had the all expenses paid chance to see the evidence in person. For supposed warriors fighting for reality against big science and shaking our foundation of the universe, that they'd sit at home talking about this stuff but rebuff any call to action will be damning.
It doesn't matter what it's called. If there's a 24h sun at the south pole, then flat earth is kaputt. (Note: It has long since been kaputt before this.)
Flerfers claim a "preponderance" of evidence they consider still valid, and will not abandon their flat earth absurdity. I suppose anyone can amass a "preponderance" if you reject enough reality.
what a fuck load of word salad..... Oakley really is a fucking turnip. "why to affirm in the consequent formal logical fallacy with an antipodal assumption because I've covered the same thing every time I've discussed it, the antipodal assumption, the begging the question fallacy and the false dichotomy that they are utilising......"
It’s like this: Alice: There’s a dragon in my garage. Bob: Wow! Let’s go look. Alice: Oh! Uh… It’s invisible. Bob: Oh, that’s fine. I’ll just touch it then. Alice: NO! You can’t do that, because… uh… it’s intangible too. Bob: Oh, no problem, we can use infrared to detect the heat from its body. Or we can measure the oxygen levels in the room to detect its breathing. Alice: Oh… uhh… I forgot to tell you… it has no body heat. And… uhh… it doesn’t need to breathe either. Bob: Wow. It’s strange that every experiment I propose, the dragon has exactly the correct attributes to make that experiment not work. No problem, it’s harder, but I’ve got another. We can measure the weight of your garage and compare it to what we would expect if the dragon wasn’t there. Alice: Ah… well… it’s actually flying, so you won’t be able to weigh it. Bob: that’s not a problem, if it’s in the garage, it will still show up on the scale. Alice: Oh! It will? Are you sure? Bob: Yep, no problem. Alice: Well, in that case it’s massless too! Bob: Wait a minute. I’m definitely detecting a pattern here. Everything you say sure seems like you’re giving answers as if you know it’s not actually there and you already know that every experiment I could come up with will show that, and you’re giving excuses for the result you actually expect (that it isn’t there at all). I think you don’t actually believe there’s a dragon in your garage at all. Alice: No, I definitely believe it’s there. The fact that my income and popularity relies on me continuing to believe has nothing at all to do with my answers. Bob: I didn’t mention your motivations. Alice: Uh… well… uhh……. YOU WERE GOING TO!!! STOP OPPRESSING ME!!!
Carl Sagan deals with that quite succinctly in his book, The Demon-Haunted World. It's the invisible one that manages to acquire new skills as and when required.
When I think of "flat-earther" and "experiment", the model I understand is. Step 1: Buy an expensive ring laser gyroscope. Step 2: "A Fifteen degree per hour drift". Step 3: Denial and profit.
Fun thing about North pole, it can have 24 hour night time called the Polar Night. For a flat earth this would be pretty hard to disprove seeing as it's in the middle and it would make no sense that no light reaches it during an entire day.
Not a flat earther, but that one is easy to explain. The sun is just moves further south on their model, basically same as ours. However, a 24 hour sun in Antarctica doesn't fit on their model at all (frankly most things don't fit on their model). My guess on their excuses will either be the tried and loved "they faked the video" junk they have already done, which is going to be easy since none of them are going so far. Or maybe something along the lines of reflection off of the glass bowl that they think surrounds us. And I can guarantee that any flat earther that does go and films the 24hr sun will be tossed out of their little club and turned into a person to hate. Edited to be more clear.
@@anthonypelchat Doesn't work like that on a flat earth. As long as the sun is above the edge, the entire flat earth would see the sun as long as some mountains isn't covering it. But such sights would be clearly visible. It would still be rather high up for people closer to the north pole as well such as the nordic countries. They also have the issue where they can't explain away that one side of earth has night time and the other side has day time. Day time as in the sun is at the top of the sky.
@@Zefar77 Please don't think I'm trying to defend the flat earth. It is a ridiculous model. But their reasoning will simply be that the sun is further south and that is why you can get 24hr darkness in the north pole. If we were going by proper reasoning, the sun should be 24 hrs everywhere on a flat earth model. If the flat earth model were correct, I would be able to see the Eiffel Tower from Atlanta, GA. Nothing about the model makes any sense.
I would turn it down, primarily because I absolutely cannot stand the cold, but it would break my heart to do so. It'd be such a cool experience, but it would cause me way too much stress and be bad for my health T_T (That's to say nothing of having to spend time with flat earthers...)
That is not true! Only residents of countries that have signed the Antarctic agreement are prevented from traveling to the continent without permission from their respective authorities. People from other countries can do as they please.
Here is what I think is going to happen. Flerfs are going to declare that it isn't a 24 hour sun because the sun disappeared momentarily behind that little hillock that we see in all these videos from Union glacier. An absolute non-point, but that's the straw that they will clutch at.
When you come back and, as I suspect, have proven a 24 hour sun in Antarctica, I will predict that 99% of the Flerfers will say the evidence is invalid and proves nothing.
I think if things will go as it should, the flat eartherism will suffer an irreparable blow anyway. Then flerfs ignorant flock (including their many fluff gurus and trolls), might lose interest in FE, turning their cognitive problems and mental disorder to other subjects, in which case flat eartherism most probably will disappear, as has appeared. This is my psychosocial analysis.
it all will be CGI and all the new ex-flat Earthers will be considered pre-paid, globist double agent shills. (I mean, in flat Earther heads, that's gonna happen)
They know deep down that they'll be exposed and in a most public and probably widely reported way so they're moving the goal posts and denying everything already. It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.
Umm.. basic science. Develop a hypothesis, make a prediction based on the hypothesis, determine if the prediction is true. Yes, you sometimes perform an experimental test of the prediction, but that's not a requirement. Making simple observation to see if the prediction holds up is equally valid. Of course, a single prediction (like a 24-hour sun in Antarctica) is not the end-all conclusive 'proof'. But it CAN disprove a hypothesis. For example, if the earth is flat, there can NOT be such an observation, so...
There's also the fact that there are many other factors that not only support the 24 hour sun, it helps explain how other phenomena happen, and providing with the resources to make predictions, that if accurate, further strengthen that posture. That's one thing that Flat Earthers don't have, as one thing they explain is often, if not always, at odds with other explanations.
@@dudono1744 Yes, some of the most interesting breakthroughs were not found with someone shouting "Eureka!!" but rather, "well... didn't expect THAT!" lol
Nathan Oakley's grift is being able to sound smart to dumb people. People who haven't actually been educated and who are too lazy to be autodidacts listen to his chatter about fallacies and assumptions and variables and are intimidated into believing his incoherent blithering. People who actually understand the terms he's using know he's making absolutely no sense whatsoever.
I've been teaching research methodology to PhD students for 20 years. When we're doing science, the term "experiment" has a very specific meaning and most studies that non-scientists would call "experiments" aren't part of the design family that we would call "experiments." But that's a definitional peculiarity that scientists need to worry about. We all understand that when folks in the general public talk about "experiment," they're referring to a broad family of research designs that attempt to systematize knowledge with varying levels of rigor. There's no black and white in there, just degrees of how strong inferences from those data can be. But I think that most of us intuitively understand that distinction, and we also know that when someone goes to arguing against something because reasonable variations of word definitions don't adhere to the SINGLE definition they've chosen to be most convenient for their point, they've already lost the thread. It's just another form of cherry-picking, but particularly dishonest.
Watching flerfs operate has given me new appreciation for how the scientific method is a great step forward for human intellectual capacity and discipline.
Flerfer before the announcement of the final experiment: "You're not allowed to go to Antarctica, because it's a wall and they're hiding it from everyone" Flerfer now: "well okay I guess you can go there but that doesn't prove anything" They did a 180 on several of their arguments and are trying soo hard to hide that.
Good grief flerfers, we don't say "down to Antarctica" because it's at the "bottom" of a _globe,_ but because it's at the bottom of our flat maps! 🤦🏼♂️. Surely this can't be that hard to grasp?
@@johnnyshedd7082 Exactly... for those who don't know, that's a veiled reference to northern "Yankees" being diabolical in the view of southern "Rebs". IOW he lives up north, so if he's coming _here,_ he's coming _down_ here from _up_ there. At least here in the States, that'd be how most of us speak, and i suspect it's not just here that that concept is understood.
Yeah this "it is not an experiment" bothered me really, thanks to clearify that. And I am so excited for your videos to come after the trip ... By the way this whole thing is also a social experiment of, how people can come to an understanding about facts that both sides observe and how everybody who claims to do their "own" research does his research and for that the experiment has started a long time ago...
"They forfeited any rights to question the validity of what we document the moment they turned down the offer." Great words my man...really great words *claps*
Flerfers used to claim that the videos were cut or pieced together. Would a fisheye lens be able to capture the entire travel of the sun while pointing up so there was no possibility of being cut?
Nathan also asked him the question about 24 hours of daylight and not the 24 hour sun. The flat earthers have changed their narrative from '24 hour sun' to '24 hours of daylight' as they know their grift on the 24 hour sun is about to end.
And the stupid thing about that, is that when the sun is making daylight despite being behind a mountain or a cloud or (hush my mouth) the horizon, then nine times out of ten, unless it's heavy overcast, you can see roughly where it is because of the bright patch. At worst, the bright patch will be doing 360º rotation around the Union Glacier camp in a manner impossible on a flat earth.
All flat earth arguments are based on observations only. They observe that the ground looks flat around them so say it doesn’t curve. They observe that the sun and moon look the same size, so they must be. They observe that stuff is upright, so they assume a globe goes against that. But now observations don’t work?
"Those sunbeam aren't parallel." Man, take an art class and learn about points of convergence. Look at railroad tracks running off in the distance and tell me they aren't parallel.
I'm not even into this flat earth stuff but there was a Korean variety show called: Law of the Jungle Antarctica where the cast spent 3-5 days surviving on Antarctica. They explored the land, build an igloo, cooked meals etc., for days. Filmed the whole show there. Talked to the pilots, airport personnel, medical doctors in there etc., and documented their whole travel. So flat earthers saying you can't go to Antartica to explore it and that there's "special forces" there that will arrest or "kill" you is 100% a lie. There was also a clear footage of the 24 hour sun rotating and there was also no episode where there's night (dark) time in all the episodes. You can even see a cast member's clock saying it's 3AM but it's still bright as noon. That alone easily proves that the earth is not flat. No way a Korean variety show which started more than a decade ago would connive with NASA and all the others who are "hiding the truth", lol. You can even watch the episodes here on youtube.
The best thing about TFEis that it exposed all the grifters with one single hit. To achieve that, the trip isn't even necessary anymore, they alredy exposed themself now, and i can't understand how any of their followers can even consider them serious and honest at this point. At least Witsit and Jeran seem to have some honesty on their shoulders, and i'm really curious of what their reaction will be once they see the 24h sun with their own eyes.
It's a grift. They'll do whatever they have to and deny whatever reality is in front of them, as long as they can continue bleeding money from their gullible followers.
I have a advanced education in Earth Science, every sunset PROVES earth is a globe, I have yet to see any Flat Earth explain how it is possible on a Flat Earth.
@@5peciesunkn0wn "Something something Dark Side something something complete." Oh, my apologies. I went with Family Guy / Star Wars cartoons instead of flat Earth cartoons.
I mean, under the Flat Earth ""model,"" there really _would_ be a midnight sun in Antarctica. That's because the sun never sets in that model, so nighttime doesn't actually exist. *Everywhere* has a midnight sun.
Gotta say I still really like your approach, no insults, no poking fun, just pure logic, pure demonstration and counter arguments. Flerfers and Conspiracy nuts have nothing to get angry about, it's all 100% reason. Plus, cute puppy, who could ever get mad about that :D
They acknowledge the ones in the north, but not the south, because it would be impossible on the most common map/model they put forth. (since Antarctica goes all around the "rim" of the Earth in their world)
For flat earth prophets, it's not about whether you are right or wrong. It's about defending your right to live comfortably upon the backs of those you grift.
Of course an independent variable isn't always needed. Sometimes a single observation destroys a theory. Example : Assertion : In England, the sun NEVER rises in the East. Observation : This morning it wasn't cloudy and I saw the sun rising in the East. Result : The assertion is destroyed, utterly.
That's how most theories are destroyed. Theories aim to explain stuff, so an observation that contradicts the theory destroys the theory. This doesn't apply to observations about stuff the theory doesn't try to explain, for example obervations about gravity can't disprove quantum mechanics, since quantum mechanics doesn't make a claim about gravity.
@@dudono1744 it's even more specific than that. The fundamental role played in science by hypotheses or conjectures makes it important to distinguish between testable (or falsifiable) and non-testable (or non-falsifiable) ideas. Only an idea which asserts or implies that certain conceivable events will *_not_* happen is testable. The test consists in trying to bring about, with all the means we can muster, precisely these events which the idea tells us cannot occur. Thus, every testable idea may be said to forbid the occurrence of certain events. An idea speaks about empirical reality only in so far as it sets limits to it. No idea can tell us anything about the empirical world unless it is in principle capable of clashing with the empirical world. And this means, precisely, that it must be refutable. Every testable idea can thus be put into the form ‘such and such cannot happen’. For example, the second law of thermodynamics can be formulated as saying that a perpetual motion machine of the second kind cannot exist. More specifically, the notion that the earth is flat implies unequivocally that seeing a 24 hour sun circling 360 degrees around you in the Arctic in June means that seeing the same thing in Antarctica in December *_must be_* impossible since there is no conceivable geometry of sun / disc / dome that would permit it without invoking magical physics that contradicts what we already know to be true. Equally, the notion that the earth is a tilted rotating sphere orbiting a distant sun predicts that the sun cannot set in Antarctica in December. So a single "observation" of the path followed by the sun in Antarctica in December (which is what TFE will deliver) is sufficient to falsify one or the other of these two notions: only one of them will survive the testing. Moreover, testability has degrees: an idea which asserts more, and thus takes greater risks, is better testable than one which asserts very little. And an idea that asserts nothing isn't testable at all and means nothing. *_This_* is the basis of the scientific method today. Therefore, all the flerfs hiding behind the phrase "we haven't proposed a model" are in fact admitting that their ideas are worthless. They should put up (a testable model) or shut up.
I think it's hilarious that none of the flerfs have figured out yet that the Final Experiment is happening _right now_ and that they're the subjects - and the results so far are as revealing as they are entertaining.
While there, ask the flat earthers to establish where the ice wall is. Have then tell you where North is from your camp location and then ask them to explain how the sun can be behind you, over the ice wall, when the sun is supposed to be contained within the done. 🤣
An observation may not be an experiment by Flerfer standards, but I would be convinced that they are correct if they could provide actual imagery of the edge or underside of the flat earth, or the elephants that they think hold it up.
Try and find a fish eye lens that will allow you to lie a camera on on its back and see the sun orbit overhead without needing to move it, very hard to argue with a fixed view showing the sun constantly
I hope one of them will do that, that would be nice. A 360° Camera should be enough, but maybe just to make sure getting a fisheye would be nice. Or even more basic, pointing a camera at a sunclock xD
I love how flat earthers just take definitions as gospel, like "an experiment requires a dependent and an independent variable", or "gas pressure requires a container", both of which are false as absolutes. An experiment doesn't always need any variables, especially if you have a running experiment where you want to test for the existence of unknown variables. You keep your testing environment the same and let the experiment run, until a change is detected, or the allotted resources (time or otherwise) run out. Gas pressure doesn't require a container, it only requires a surface. For example, suppose that 10 square kilometers of oxygen just pop into existence in the vacuum of space, and in the middle of this gas cloud there is an iron sphere. That iron sphere will experience pressure, even though there is no container to hold the gas. That pressure will slowly get lower as the gas dissipates, but for a set amount of time, there is pressure on the ball. Now if there is an unknown attractive force in the middle of that ball, then the pressure will remain there permanently, as the gas will coalesce around the iron ball.
I have been watching videos of the 24 hour sun in Antarctica since the 1980s. Calling this an experiment is like setting out to prove that the Steelers won 6 SuperBowls, because some Cowboys fans deny it.
I'm not a flat earther or anything but imagine, just imagine, there's isn't a 24hr sun and even the flat earther gets surprised because even he was expecting
Here's an experiment to do while you're there: place a stake in the ground with markings showing the angle and length of the shadow and film it as the sun rotates. From the length of the stake and shadow, and the angle, one will get the polar and azimuth angle of the sun as a function of time and one can easily compare that to the predictions of the globe earth (when you get back). What would be better if one can have some physical object in the background that shows the setup hasn't moved, but that may be difficult to frame simultaneously. Following on from that, 6 months later, perform the exact same experiment near the North pole. Plus: All experiments are observations!!
Flat Earthers "Observation of a 24 hour sun doesn't prove anything."
Also flat earthers "The Earth Looks Flat (an observation) So It Is Flat."
-Use your own senses.
-Ok.
-Not like that.
that was one of the first things i thought. They have their "use your own senses" dogma but then will only allow those to work for their stupid ones. "i can only see flat things in the 1 mile of visibility that i have in my immediate surroundings, so therefore the earth is flat"... but now won't let the final experiment be called an experiment? can't we compare that "observation" in Antarctica part of the experiment comparing to other observations made at the SAME time all across the globe?
do they believe the bottom of the earth is flat? where does magma and lava come from? where are the tectonic plates coming from and where are they going?
@@XtreeM_FaiL Hahaha. I love that one.
flerfers already have to disregard evidence that disagree with their beliefs, why not also disregard their own observations that disagree with their beliefs?
@@jonathanstout9920 They will just say. "Well this is how reality works you just won't understand."
Then me, *Looks at the webcam trying not to laugh at their stupidity.*
Let me see. 1. Observation, 2. Hypothesis with prediction. 3. Test. 4. Accept or reject the hypothesis. Sounds like an experiment to me.
And where is observation of natural phenomenon?
@@macmanko7880 you are joking, right?
@macmanko7880 well if it aligns with my ideas it's natural, but if it goes against my ideas it's fake
@@macmanko7880 The sun isn't a natural phenomenon?
@@macmanko7880 That'll be in the Antarctic where the experiment is to take place.
Flerfs: "Give us demonstrable proof and we'll admit we're wrong."
Also flerfs: "Even if that is real, it doesn't prove anything, despite us saying the exact opposite from the beginning."
Also flerfs: Nuh-uh, you doctored that video clip that I published! I never said that!
I totally read that in LEOs voice and now I need to wipe my brain of his voice again.
"Here is demonstrable proof."
"Pfft, looks fake to me, thats CGI!"
Example: 1:41
@@MattH-wg7ou That video (Frozen South, by Anthony Powell) is absolutely beautiful - and obviously real to those with an interest in photography. We go "cool, those are the very specific circumstances that make that happen", while the flerfs go "CARTOON!"
275 miles a line of sight - weirdo
If TFE can be dismissed because it's "just an observation", then "looks flat to me" can likewise be dismissed.
As can "we see too far".
It doesn't even need to be dismissed though, you can prove that we would see a flat horizon on a globe using a basketball and a smartphone (provided the smartphone can zoom in far enough).
How I did this was to put the basketball on a table, hold the smartphone against the side of the basketball, and then aim the camera up at the top of the ball; the intent being to have the line of sight as low-angled as possible relative to the surface of the basketball visible on the picture. If you zoom in all the way and play around with the angle you can get shots with a pretty flat horizon all the way across.
Flerfs will of course counter by saying that there is still a visible curve, but this demonstrates that as you magnify the image and lower the angle of your line of sight the horizon will appear flatter and flatter. Anyone with half a brain can look at those pictures and understand that if they were the size of a gnat standing on the surface of the basketball they wouldn't be able to see any curve in the horizon.
um...what you are hearing is how the community been dunped Jeranism and globebusters ears ago. Everyone noticed EVERYONE participated in Flat Earth Confeence are just money making youtubers. You guys dont hear about the real truthers that expose these guys. Guess what? They're opponents are ALSO money making youtubers. Why else would someone quit their jobs to "fight the flat earth" ? Its a whole ring just to take your time and money and keep you all dump and distracted. These guys never mention people with real information Look up QNFEE QNFEE Stop with the eric dubays jeranisms and globebusters bs. We been knew they were shills and this is why they always end up looking like goofballs.
And as well as I can see curvature from a commercial flight
if TFE isn't an experiment, neither is trying to take the temperature of the sun using a short range infrared thermometer.
That's an experiment, just a really shitty one!
Flerf: [insert special pleading argument here]
TFE is an experiment. It records the position of the sun, relative to the horizon, over a defined time period. There's everything there to conform to the scientific method.
Flerfs know that it's finally over (it was before of course) so they're desperate to discredit it. Unfortunately their claim that "it's only an observation" discredits every single one of their arguments for flat Earth.
Goodbye flattards, you've argued yourselves into nothingness. Time to find another grift or, heaven forbid, an actual job.
Or using a spirit level for anything beyond about 10-20 feet long that doesn't require high precision.
Or measuring the coldness of moonlight with the same thermometer.
As I have said before, people don’t become flat earthers because of evidence, so it would be nearly impossible for them to change their mind as a result of evidence.
Right. If they are already looking for a way out, this does give them a sort of face saving excuse. The do still have to find something like a real job, so it won't be easy.
sadly this probably won’t convert any flat earthers but it definitely will help stop new ones from existing until the species goes extinct
They're idiots.
@@TweetsTheBirb Dave's channel is definitely targeted towards the people who are "genuinely" "just asking questions." That is, the flat earthers who aren't super into it yet. The big channels and crazies are too far gone, so to speak, but I think this kind of stuff could be pretty convincing for people on the edge
@@incognitoburrito6020 i mostly watch this channel cause i’m a computer science nerd and anything to do with math and science with a hit of drama easily peaks my interest
I always assumed the "experiment" part was to see if flerfers would put their beliefs to the test, knowing they would be shown up. Testing if they are sincere or just grifters. If they don't take a free trip then they are grifters.
Not only that, but it also heavily implies to me that they are grifters when they suddenly start to get so defensive about the results. If you really believed in the flat earth, you were going to accept the trip with confidence, just like Dave. Perhaps even excitedly for the perspective that this could finally shut up those pretentious globers.
Will Duffy explicitly stated that is one of the main aspects of the experiment. "The Final Experiment has already started."
Exactly.
Thats the experiment about.
We're experimenting on the flatards.
Not tge shape of the earth.
We know the shape of the earth.
Its a globe.
I don't think Duffy had any idea how shamelessly venal flerps actually are.
It's an experiment to see if they'll accept reality once it's shown to them, or hold to their ridiculous faith in spite of evidence. Such experiments have been performed already, of course, and the results have consistently shown that no amount of evidence can change their views. Repeatability is important, though, so we'll soon see whether the results of this experiment are consistent with all others thus far.
Prediction: When they see that the Sun does not set during Antarctica's summer, most flatties will hold fast to their faith that Earth is flat and will scramble to come up with a new, completely absurd "explanation" for how this phenomenon could occur on a flat earth.
I have a secondary prediction that there will be hilarious arguments among flatties over which "explanation" is least ridiculous.
Flerfs be like, "Those are some nice goal posts. Be a shame if someone were to move 'em."
Posts? More like poles. 😂
Flerf goalposts were always on wheels.
So Nathan Oakley "interviewed" a plumber who was in Antarctica for 18 months. Oh but wait...how could he have been there since the Antarctic Treaty prevents anyone from going past the 60th parallel? The self-contradiction is strong with this one.
Must of been an Ancient Alien he talked too 😂
I'm glad Oakley isn't going, because I wouldn't want Dave, Will, or anyone else, including other flerfs, to have to spend time in his company.
Oh, but you see, he wasn't FREELY going to Antarctica. He was employed and stuck at a specific location and watched and chained to the boiler as to never speak about the glass dome, but he's allowed to speak about no sun, just not about the dome or the hidden expanse beyond the ice wall or-...... 😂😂😂
If he was on an oil rig I'd like to know when his time off was. No one is stationed on a rig for eighteen solid months. Maybe he didn't see a twenty-four hour sun because he wasn't there. Or maybe he's lying of course. But the assertion he worked there for a straight year and a half with no time away doesn't wash.
I wonder if "they" flew the plumber to a movie studio set in a Hollywood basement to unclog some presupposed, antipodal toilets or perform other actual plumbing repairs? Nuh-uh you say? 😊
All I see is large, voluminous clouds of copium hovering over Flerfville.
There's me thinking they smoked the copium in a pipe...
@@NevilleBamshu23 Not at all. They are smoking denialium in a pipe.
Well, you can’t see a 24 hour sun with all that cloud cover ;)
They're trying to dismiss the final experiment in any way possible before it even happens. So desperate.
all i see is fools who think the teacher at school was right and brainwashed by some movie thinking space is real - crack on though fool with your indoctrination
Flerfs having double standards?! NEVER!
Shocking!!
Some of them have billions of suns, so two standards is nothing.
they don't have double standards. they have no standards
“I’m shocked - shocked - to find that gambling is going on in here!”
“Your winnings, sir.”
Apparently these flerfs are now admitting that people CAN actually go to Antarctica after years of claiming that people can't go there...?!?
Eric Dubay and other Flat Earthers now deny they ever said that... which is like earlier this year when Trump denied ever having said "lock her up" with regard to Hillary Clinton. I'm waiting for Arby's to say, "We never said we have the meats" and Sir Mix-a-Lot to deny he ever said he likes big butts.
Goal post pushers
I still think that thought is sneaking around in their tiny reptile brains.
They have saying for so long you can't go there, and now someone, including flat earthers, are, somehow, going. That can't be fair. Or something.
So they are immediately on the back foot, and now have to come up with and explanation as to why the team will look south at midnight and se the sun above the horizon, and somehow fit that with a Gleason map.
@@Calango741 Good point, and it's important to remember why they claimed this: that whole time, they maintained steadfastly that traveling there would show irrefutable solar proof that the Earth is flat!
@@LevanEvanstadium movers not goal post movers
I absolutely agree on the last point that everyone who refuses to go can’t deny the results. It would be like saying “I don’t care” to what pizza you’re getting at a party, and then complaining that the resulting pizza has anchovies on it. Dude, you had a vote.
Anchovies! Nobody likes Anchovies!
Summoning my inner Mr. T.
@@joelellis7035🤣🤣
I actually do like them, but I like them chopped & spread throughout the pie, not just putting huge slabs of salted fish on it. I also prefer a smaller amount than you traditionally get on most pizzas.
Science isn't done by voting. And, peer review doesn't require reviewers to attend the experiment. Flerfers' opinions on the topic are irrelevant. Their questions about the shape of the earth only persists via absurd rejections of verifiable, repeatable observations. Flerfers might as well argue there isn't a BBQ place on the same block as me, but refuse to ever go there, refuse to accept photos, video, maps, websites, etc, etc. They're an amazing display of the various way humans can warp their own perception of reality.
Those who've declined will deny receiving an invite once the experiment is over. Despite the evidence to the contrary their followers will believe them.
@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 it's a bit of an inside joke referring to "the lost episode" of the A-Team. It just popped into my mind with the mention of anchovies on pizza.
Flat earth hasn't been this scared since the sextant 😂
Absolutely petrified!
And they just went "Nuh-uh" and continued with their lying propaganda.
👏
Yeah after years of claiming no 24 hour Sun, they are desperately trying to concoct excuses to explain a 24hr Sum.
Oh for the good old days when they could claim armed penguins have been preventing access.
They'll just do what they did last time. They'll say the 24 hour sun is not only proof of flat Earth, but can ONLY work on a flat Earth. 'Triangulation' and 'flat baseline' will probably come into it somewhere.
Next year's experiment: Millionaire offers flerfers a chance to go in to space.
Flerfers: "They'll just drug me, put a VR headset over my eyes and put me in a swimming pool."
im sure most are already on drugs tbh...
@@tarkadahl1985 Or should be.
I like the part where they confidently assert they can't identify the sun.
Easily countered by pointing out that no one makes a VR headset that's waterproof. And also, while drowning the flat earthers would solve the arguments, it's probably illegal.
I really don't get their pool argument. I mean, water is the medium which causes things to float, but people breathe air. So, how exactly does a vessel immersed in water, but contains air and passengers, cause those passengers to float? It's a ridiculous notion.
Independant variable:
- daytime
- date
- location
Dependant variable:
- Duration of sunlight
- time of sunrise and sunset
- azimuth of sunrise and sunset
There, Nathan. Fixed it for you.
You wrote time twice, date is just time with extra steps
@@dudono1744 Fixed it!
And also like, there _are_ observational sciences. Astronomy, for one. Not that flat earthers believe in astronomy, but it's all about forming hypotheses and making predictions, and then making observations that fits the prediction and analyzing the data. Can't exactly have independent and dependent variables when your experiment subject matter is 100 light years away
As a control I would like to see somebody on the same day in the arctic circle documenting the fact that the sun does not appear at all. When we have simultaneous observations of a 24 hour sun in Antarctica and a 24 hour lack of sun in the Arctic we can then ask all of flat earth to come up with a map of flat earth where this is possible.
Ooh. That’s right.
We could ask, but the answer is already in the video at 3:49
During the time they'll see a 24 hours Sun in Antarctica, there will be a 24 hours Moon in the Arctic.
A fair number of people live above the Arctic circle even in winter, so no need for a travel budget. Just ask them.
The moon orbits Earth independent of the sun @@Kualinar
You definitely have not left the flerfs any wriggle room, with this presentation. Their denial of the result, before the experiment, just goes to show how much they rely on their grift. They are in full panic mode, as their lies are exposed.
Flat earthers haven't got a leg to stand on. They'll refuse to admit that they're wrong and die on that hill.
every time i hear nathan talk a quote comes to mind "you keep using that word but i dont think you understand what it means"
so he's just throwing all the buzzwords he can to sound smart in an attempt to deny this experiment
Did Level Earth Observer claimed that observations aren't valid? Did he just try to debunk his own channel name?
"I hadn't thought of that", said Leo, and promptly disappeared in a puff of logic.
@Forest_Fifer how can he make a puff of logic without having skills for logical thinking?
You'd think mister demonstrable realist would appreciate this demonstration of a 24h sun.
In my younger days, I did a "summer tour" (October through February) at McMurdo as a firefighter/EMT, and a tour a few years later at Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station. The upside was the novelty of the 24 hour sun. The downside was screwed up circadian rhythms, loneliness, and bitter freaking cold... Along with the knowledge that if I had any medical issues, there was no way out until the season ended. It was a great opportunity before I had a wife and kids, and looked really good on my resume. But now being over 60, my health wouldn't allow a repeat. To be honest, I was young, and the money was one heck of an inducement.
when was it ? because I'm fairly sure they have 24h med evac there nowadays. actually from what I heard the Antarctic bases can be quite luxurious.
Hi. What do you mean by the upside and the downside please?
You know they don't believe in their own bullshit, because otherwise they would stick to the idea that the Southern midnight sun doesn't happen, instead of suddenly arguing that it wouldn't prove anything.
Yup. The fact they're back pedalling before the experiment that would prove them right if they were right goes to show, they genuinely do not believe in the things they are saying. If I knew a car was red, and had my entire career depending on the redness of this car, I don't try to say it being blue doesn't mean I'm wrong or refuse a trip to the parking lot to make it easier to say "none of you actually saw a blue car"
Right on.
Sad attention seekers.
@@catpoke9557 Someone once said there are flat earthers who sell T shirts and flat earthers who buy T shirts, and it's metaphorically (and sometimes literally) true. There are those who don't really believe it who are selling it , and there are those who do believe who are buying it. So what's happening is that the Eric Dubays and the Dave Weisses of the world, who don't really believe in the flat earth, are providing a voice and a safe space on their channels for those who do to reap the rewards. Honestly, if I were in their position, I'd give it all up for a trip to Antarctica. It's a trip of a lifetime most people will never get to experience.
@@catpoke9557 And what do we call "adapting" evidence instead of model?
They KNOW what they are going to see.
So they start up the damage control.
Unambiguously proves they know they're spouting bs. Their followers need to get wise to it.
It's almost like they're grifters who know the Earth is a sphere.
@@jwb932Oh yeah most def lol. Especially the ones at the top that have followers. Some of the lower level minions are definitely just dumb and really believe it.
Eric Dubay BEFORE TFE : “If the earth were a globe, the midnight sun would be seen in the southern regions in December”.
Eric Dubay AFTER FTE : “The midnight sun in Antarctica isn’t evidence of a globe”.
Even flerfs are seeing through his back-peddling lies.
Are they? Sounds like a bunch of idiots and assholes having no idea what to say, because they will always run into problems with reality …
People like Dubay and Oakley and the rest are such scum. No integrity
Eric Dubay AFTER FTE : “The midnight sun in Antarctica can only happen on a flat earth".
FIFY
The trip was never the experiment. The experiment was the reaction to the trip.
The hypothesis was that the flerfs will make up every excuse under the sun to avoid going. The hypothesis has largely been confirmed.
Nice pun: "every excuse under the sun"
Flerfer - "i only believe what I can see and observe. The horizon looks flat, thus the world is flat" "It's only an observation, doesnt prove anything. " do they even realise how they contradict themselves?
"we see too far" - flerfkin
um...what you are hearing is how the community been dunped Jeranism and globebusters ears ago. Everyone noticed EVERYONE participated in Flat Earth Confeence are just money making youtubers. You guys dont hear about the real truthers that expose these guys. Guess what? They're opponents are ALSO money making youtubers. Why else would someone quit their jobs to "fight the flat earth" ? Its a whole ring just to take your time and money and keep you all dump and distracted. These guys never mention people with real information Look up QNFEE QNFEE Stop with the eric dubays jeranisms and globebusters bs. We been knew they were shills and this is why they always end up looking like goofballs.
i think its weird that you keep watching these videos yet you seem to think flat earthers dont know anything. Would you watch videos of people who cant multiply? i doubt it. ask yourself why are you so captivated by this that dont matter to you? i am sure you arent an idiot. You gotta ask yourself why are you watchign these videos. Do it. ask yourself and you willdiscover something... that is unless you are already too far gone. . .
@@Mike_Greene this video is about the final experiment trip. I watch these as its entertaining , also you learn some things about photography and I like to hear what they come up with next. Having studied astrophysics at university its fascinating to me.
@@magicknight8412 nooo seems you like to bash flat earthers. meaning you are here bullying people because they have a certain thinking different than your belief. You may as well be a racist. i saw your comments. they bash flat earthers. And you arent being paid to do it like the fool that made this video. if you are really interested inthe sky as you say... Then look at this guy videos QNFEE he debunks the flat earthers AND the crew that debunks those flat earthers. they are all in the same money making game. they control both sides and fed from bnoth sides and will continue to go at each other.
QNFEE have videos you will be interested in and he also solves a lot of issues with jeranisms flat earth bs
See flat-earther run. Run flat-earther run.
See flert derp..derp flerf derp..
just don't run of the edge of the table they call Earth
Don't run, your little hat will fall off
I've said all along that the real experiment is "If you invite flat earthers to Antarctica to potentially see a 24 hour sun, will any of them have the guts to go?"
The experiment started months ago, and the variables are the flat earthers themselves. They still haven't worked that out.
This, 100% - it's amazing more people don't pick this part up. TFE is, at its core, an experiment to see if Flerfs can be intellectually honest when confronted with direct falsification of their position. They've already shown an irrefutable pattern of dishonesty, and except for Jeran, are universally pre-rejecting the outcome they know will happen.
Lol flat earthers are rocked back on their heels. Their attempt at damage control is hilarious.
And it's not even damage control from an actual result. Just the PROPOSAL that someone is going to try this sends them into full panic, throwing everything they can at the wall to discredit this experiment.
If that doesn't prove they know the truth and are just lying for fame/money/infamy, then I don't know what does.
@@aden538 exactly, it's hilarious.
You'd absolutely break a sweat if you just realized that your YT flerf easy-money-grifting livelihood is coming to an end.
@@mofayer As much as I hate to admit it, this will not kill FE. I think we all know that there are enough people who are both gullible and stubborn that they will refuse to accept any evidence, no matter how damning.
@@mofayer facts
They've made claims for years and now that they're actually faced with checking it first-hand they've changed their story. Sounds like they're in damage control.
If they really believed there would be no 24 hour sun, why are they running round like headless chickens?
They are technically telling the truth. There is no 24 hour sun during the summer in antarctica.
.
It's more like a 2000+ hour sun.
I imagine it depends how far South they go. They really should make it all the way to the pole itself.
What I hate about these people is their intellectual dishonesty.
The trip hasn’t even happened yet and they’re already shifting the goal post.
That's showing part of the experiment *is* happening. "Who is actually willing to put their money where their mouth is?"
What makes the TFE even a stronger experiment is that the sun won’t be observed from just Antartica alone but from multiple places around the world at at the same time.
Flat earthers have done a great job of painting themselves into a corner, only to move the goalposts and start all over again.
They have nowhere to move this time. Anything they try will simply be transparent ignoring of reality. Any credibility they have when they dispute the claims will be thrown out the window when people know they had the all expenses paid chance to see the evidence in person.
For supposed warriors fighting for reality against big science and shaking our foundation of the universe, that they'd sit at home talking about this stuff but rebuff any call to action will be damning.
After they painted themselves into a corner, they’ll just start clinging onto the walls until the paint dries and leave to form another echochamber.
It doesn't matter what it's called. If there's a 24h sun at the south pole, then flat earth is kaputt. (Note: It has long since been kaputt before this.)
Flerfers claim a "preponderance" of evidence they consider still valid, and will not abandon their flat earth absurdity. I suppose anyone can amass a "preponderance" if you reject enough reality.
or perhaps the flats were wrong all this time and there is ALWAYS a 24 hour sun on Antarctica
The amount of Flip Flopping is hilarious… They’ve had their pants pulled down….
Absolute cowards..
They have to flip flop, being flat.
They cannot roll.
I will show myself out.
@@DoctorX101 NO, come back! That was funny. Accept my thumbs up. 👍
@@Chemeleon86 😁
what a fuck load of word salad..... Oakley really is a fucking turnip.
"why to affirm in the consequent formal logical fallacy with an antipodal assumption because I've covered the same thing every time I've discussed it, the antipodal assumption, the begging the question fallacy and the false dichotomy that they are utilising......"
He's a gish galloping twat waffle..
He's a real piece of work, and a bully
@@ythandlerandom1278LK don't forget he smacks his kid around whilst on livestream 🤦♂️
That really is offensive to turnips... Oakley is subhuman filth
@@tarkadahl1985 he's a gish galloping tw@waffle..
It’s like this:
Alice: There’s a dragon in my garage.
Bob: Wow! Let’s go look.
Alice: Oh! Uh… It’s invisible.
Bob: Oh, that’s fine. I’ll just touch it then.
Alice: NO! You can’t do that, because… uh… it’s intangible too.
Bob: Oh, no problem, we can use infrared to detect the heat from its body. Or we can measure the oxygen levels in the room to detect its breathing.
Alice: Oh… uhh… I forgot to tell you… it has no body heat. And… uhh… it doesn’t need to breathe either.
Bob: Wow. It’s strange that every experiment I propose, the dragon has exactly the correct attributes to make that experiment not work. No problem, it’s harder, but I’ve got another. We can measure the weight of your garage and compare it to what we would expect if the dragon wasn’t there.
Alice: Ah… well… it’s actually flying, so you won’t be able to weigh it.
Bob: that’s not a problem, if it’s in the garage, it will still show up on the scale.
Alice: Oh! It will? Are you sure?
Bob: Yep, no problem.
Alice: Well, in that case it’s massless too!
Bob: Wait a minute. I’m definitely detecting a pattern here. Everything you say sure seems like you’re giving answers as if you know it’s not actually there and you already know that every experiment I could come up with will show that, and you’re giving excuses for the result you actually expect (that it isn’t there at all). I think you don’t actually believe there’s a dragon in your garage at all.
Alice: No, I definitely believe it’s there. The fact that my income and popularity relies on me continuing to believe has nothing at all to do with my answers.
Bob: I didn’t mention your motivations.
Alice: Uh… well… uhh……. YOU WERE GOING TO!!! STOP OPPRESSING ME!!!
Carl Sagan deals with that quite succinctly in his book, The Demon-Haunted World. It's the invisible one that manages to acquire new skills as and when required.
Thanks Bob!
Cry
If you see scientific debates as sport, Flat Earthers would lead in own goals.
Well, maybe Sports Entertainment like professional wrestling?
Which makes sense, given how quickly they move the goal posts around. Practically any shot will land.
Except own goals are given to the opposition.
@RevolutionibusOrbiumCoelestium I think that's the point.
When I think of "flat-earther" and "experiment", the model I understand is.
Step 1: Buy an expensive ring laser gyroscope.
Step 2: "A Fifteen degree per hour drift".
Step 3: Denial and profit.
Thanks Bob
@@PXCharonThat's Step 4 to infinity
Thanks Bob
Interesting
Thanks Bob!
Fun thing about North pole, it can have 24 hour night time called the Polar Night. For a flat earth this would be pretty hard to disprove seeing as it's in the middle and it would make no sense that no light reaches it during an entire day.
They will come up with something - whipping out of their arses 😂
Not a flat earther, but that one is easy to explain. The sun is just moves further south on their model, basically same as ours. However, a 24 hour sun in Antarctica doesn't fit on their model at all (frankly most things don't fit on their model).
My guess on their excuses will either be the tried and loved "they faked the video" junk they have already done, which is going to be easy since none of them are going so far. Or maybe something along the lines of reflection off of the glass bowl that they think surrounds us. And I can guarantee that any flat earther that does go and films the 24hr sun will be tossed out of their little club and turned into a person to hate.
Edited to be more clear.
@@anthonypelchat Doesn't work like that on a flat earth. As long as the sun is above the edge, the entire flat earth would see the sun as long as some mountains isn't covering it. But such sights would be clearly visible.
It would still be rather high up for people closer to the north pole as well such as the nordic countries.
They also have the issue where they can't explain away that one side of earth has night time and the other side has day time. Day time as in the sun is at the top of the sky.
@@Zefar77 Please don't think I'm trying to defend the flat earth. It is a ridiculous model. But their reasoning will simply be that the sun is further south and that is why you can get 24hr darkness in the north pole.
If we were going by proper reasoning, the sun should be 24 hrs everywhere on a flat earth model. If the flat earth model were correct, I would be able to see the Eiffel Tower from Atlanta, GA. Nothing about the model makes any sense.
Is this where the light "gets tired" and just kinda gives up? I think that's how McToon summarizes the flerf position.
Imagine turning down an all expenses paid trip to Antarctica. Unless I had something dire happening at home, I would not turn that down.
I might have turned it down tbh, as I really don't want to be in the company of such flerfers for that long
I would turn it down, primarily because I absolutely cannot stand the cold, but it would break my heart to do so. It'd be such a cool experience, but it would cause me way too much stress and be bad for my health T_T (That's to say nothing of having to spend time with flat earthers...)
tbf, even in summer Antarctica is fucking cold.
@@GummieII'd definitely KO Oakley.
@@Appletank8 Depends on where exactly. Some places are not bad, around 0 and up to 8-10°C
No one is allowed to go to Antarctica. Now here's a plumber who spent 18 months there.
That is not true! Only residents of countries that have signed the Antarctic agreement are prevented from traveling to the continent without permission from their respective authorities. People from other countries can do as they please.
@@sailingviking7885 I hope that that's sarcasm
@@sailingviking7885did you ever read the treaty? Go read it and then come here to cry some more😂
Here is what I think is going to happen.
Flerfs are going to declare that it isn't a 24 hour sun because the sun disappeared momentarily behind that little hillock that we see in all these videos from Union glacier.
An absolute non-point, but that's the straw that they will clutch at.
When you come back and, as I suspect, have proven a 24 hour sun in Antarctica, I will predict that 99% of the Flerfers will say the evidence is invalid and proves nothing.
Try 99.99%.
@@SCWillson I was being... Hopeful? Optimistic? Foolhardy?
I think if things will go as it should, the flat eartherism will suffer an irreparable blow anyway. Then flerfs ignorant flock (including their many fluff gurus and trolls), might lose interest in FE, turning their cognitive problems and mental disorder to other subjects, in which case flat eartherism most probably will disappear, as has appeared. This is my psychosocial analysis.
No its 100%
it all will be CGI and all the new ex-flat Earthers will be considered pre-paid, globist double agent shills.
(I mean, in flat Earther heads, that's gonna happen)
They know deep down that they'll be exposed and in a most public and probably widely reported way so they're moving the goal posts and denying everything already.
It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.
So they're already moving the goalposts, are they? Gosh, it's almost as if no amount of evidence will ever be good enough for them.
Every time they get backed into a corner they claim it's fake or doesn't prove anything - OMG flerfs are so pathetic and such a joke!!
Umm.. basic science. Develop a hypothesis, make a prediction based on the hypothesis, determine if the prediction is true. Yes, you sometimes perform an experimental test of the prediction, but that's not a requirement. Making simple observation to see if the prediction holds up is equally valid. Of course, a single prediction (like a 24-hour sun in Antarctica) is not the end-all conclusive 'proof'. But it CAN disprove a hypothesis. For example, if the earth is flat, there can NOT be such an observation, so...
There's also the fact that there are many other factors that not only support the 24 hour sun, it helps explain how other phenomena happen, and providing with the resources to make predictions, that if accurate, further strengthen that posture. That's one thing that Flat Earthers don't have, as one thing they explain is often, if not always, at odds with other explanations.
Actually, experiments are only really interesting if they prove the hypothesis wrong.
@@dudono1744 Yes, some of the most interesting breakthroughs were not found with someone shouting "Eureka!!" but rather, "well... didn't expect THAT!" lol
@@mikefochtman7164 "scientific progress goes boink" lol
Doesnt Elon Musk realize he doesnt need ALL rhose starlink satellites. He only needs one for the flat earth. Guess he just wasting his money.
And he doesn't need rockets at all, just a hot air balloon
@@bullschitt3666and a suction cup to stick the satellite to the dome.
@@robadams1645 genius!
@@robadams1645😂😂😂😂
Nah, 1 satellite doesn't have enough power to handle ALL StarLink connections.
If it weren't for double standards flerps wouldn't have any standards at all.
Nathan Oakley's grift is being able to sound smart to dumb people. People who haven't actually been educated and who are too lazy to be autodidacts listen to his chatter about fallacies and assumptions and variables and are intimidated into believing his incoherent blithering. People who actually understand the terms he's using know he's making absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Yep. He's the master of tossed word salad.
I've been teaching research methodology to PhD students for 20 years. When we're doing science, the term "experiment" has a very specific meaning and most studies that non-scientists would call "experiments" aren't part of the design family that we would call "experiments." But that's a definitional peculiarity that scientists need to worry about. We all understand that when folks in the general public talk about "experiment," they're referring to a broad family of research designs that attempt to systematize knowledge with varying levels of rigor. There's no black and white in there, just degrees of how strong inferences from those data can be.
But I think that most of us intuitively understand that distinction, and we also know that when someone goes to arguing against something because reasonable variations of word definitions don't adhere to the SINGLE definition they've chosen to be most convenient for their point, they've already lost the thread. It's just another form of cherry-picking, but particularly dishonest.
I concur. Well said. The dishonesty point is bang on.
Watching flerfs operate has given me new appreciation for how the scientific method is a great step forward for human intellectual capacity and discipline.
Particularly dishonest is a good description of Nathan Oakley. Also particularly irritating...
That's funny because their whole premise is based on an observation.
Last time I was this early, Rusty was still a puppy.
What idleness is this??
Flerfer before the announcement of the final experiment: "You're not allowed to go to Antarctica, because it's a wall and they're hiding it from everyone"
Flerfer now: "well okay I guess you can go there but that doesn't prove anything"
They did a 180 on several of their arguments and are trying soo hard to hide that.
oakley is insufferable. He is the epitome of passive aggressive, and thats only when he is not being directly aggressive
Good grief flerfers, we don't say "down to Antarctica" because it's at the "bottom" of a _globe,_ but because it's at the bottom of our flat maps! 🤦🏼♂️. Surely this can't be that hard to grasp?
also because in colloquial English "down to" is just a way you go. You can go down to the library and do some research if you don't believe me.
Australia for exemple have their maps "upside down".
@@keiyakinsRegardless of the fact that the library may be below or above your starting elevation...
devil went down to Georgia
@@johnnyshedd7082 Exactly... for those who don't know, that's a veiled reference to northern "Yankees" being diabolical in the view of southern "Rebs". IOW he lives up north, so if he's coming _here,_ he's coming _down_ here from _up_ there. At least here in the States, that'd be how most of us speak, and i suspect it's not just here that that concept is understood.
Yeah this "it is not an experiment" bothered me really, thanks to clearify that. And I am so excited for your videos to come after the trip ...
By the way this whole thing is also a social experiment of, how people can come to an understanding about facts that both sides observe and how everybody who claims to do their "own" research does his research and for that the experiment has started a long time ago...
I recall that Bob Knodel addressed the question of larger-radius earth in some detail and gave some good reasons why it is impossible
"They forfeited any rights to question the validity of what we document the moment they turned down the offer."
Great words my man...really great words *claps*
Never forget the time Nathan got so mad about the shape of the Earth that hit a toddler (his own daughter) live on stream.
Wait... he was so mad he hit his daughter? Cripes...
Flerfers used to claim that the videos were cut or pieced together.
Would a fisheye lens be able to capture the entire travel of the sun while pointing up so there was no possibility of being cut?
Yes
Yep. Point it straight up, and a fisheye lens will show the sun traveling around its edge for 24 hours.
Did the demonstrable realist really say the demonstration by way of observation would mean nothing? 🤔
It seems so - Level Earth **Observer** is apparently not willing to accept observations 🤔
Nathan also asked him the question about 24 hours of daylight and not the 24 hour sun. The flat earthers have changed their narrative from '24 hour sun' to '24 hours of daylight' as they know their grift on the 24 hour sun is about to end.
And the stupid thing about that, is that when the sun is making daylight despite being behind a mountain or a cloud or (hush my mouth) the horizon, then nine times out of ten, unless it's heavy overcast, you can see roughly where it is because of the bright patch. At worst, the bright patch will be doing 360º rotation around the Union Glacier camp in a manner impossible on a flat earth.
How does that help? If you see the sun, there's going to be daylight, right?
I would like to see everyone wear a heartrate and respiration monitor to see what happens the longer the Sun is up.
That's a really good idea 👍
Were you the one that triggered that sapien dude last week? If so, kudos!
interesting
All flat earth arguments are based on observations only. They observe that the ground looks flat around them so say it doesn’t curve. They observe that the sun and moon look the same size, so they must be. They observe that stuff is upright, so they assume a globe goes against that.
But now observations don’t work?
"Those sunbeam aren't parallel." Man, take an art class and learn about points of convergence. Look at railroad tracks running off in the distance and tell me they aren't parallel.
I'm not even into this flat earth stuff but there was a Korean variety show called: Law of the Jungle Antarctica where the cast spent 3-5 days surviving on Antarctica. They explored the land, build an igloo, cooked meals etc., for days. Filmed the whole show there. Talked to the pilots, airport personnel, medical doctors in there etc., and documented their whole travel. So flat earthers saying you can't go to Antartica to explore it and that there's "special forces" there that will arrest or "kill" you is 100% a lie.
There was also a clear footage of the 24 hour sun rotating and there was also no episode where there's night (dark) time in all the episodes. You can even see a cast member's clock saying it's 3AM but it's still bright as noon. That alone easily proves that the earth is not flat. No way a Korean variety show which started more than a decade ago would connive with NASA and all the others who are "hiding the truth", lol. You can even watch the episodes here on youtube.
The actual experiment is “let’s observe how flat earthers react to irrefutable evidence that the Earth is a globe”.
The best thing about TFEis that it exposed all the grifters with one single hit. To achieve that, the trip isn't even necessary anymore, they alredy exposed themself now, and i can't understand how any of their followers can even consider them serious and honest at this point. At least Witsit and Jeran seem to have some honesty on their shoulders, and i'm really curious of what their reaction will be once they see the 24h sun with their own eyes.
The trip needs to happen so they can't claim "see the government canceled it to hide the truth", but yeah.
It's a grift. They'll do whatever they have to and deny whatever reality is in front of them, as long as they can continue bleeding money from their gullible followers.
And *that* is the most heinous crime.
I have a advanced education in Earth Science, every sunset PROVES earth is a globe, I have yet to see any Flat Earth explain how it is possible on a Flat Earth.
"Something Something perspective" is their usual explanation, despite what we see never matching perspective in reality.
@@5peciesunkn0wn refraction too dont forget that.
@@wannacry6586ah, yes. Refraction. It doesn't exist until it "proves" their point lol.
@@5peciesunkn0wn same with anything scientific. If it confirms (or they think it does) their idea its true but all other science is fake
@@5peciesunkn0wn "Something something Dark Side something something complete."
Oh, my apologies. I went with Family Guy / Star Wars cartoons instead of flat Earth cartoons.
I mean, under the Flat Earth ""model,"" there really _would_ be a midnight sun in Antarctica.
That's because the sun never sets in that model, so nighttime doesn't actually exist. *Everywhere* has a midnight sun.
Gotta say I still really like your approach, no insults, no poking fun, just pure logic, pure demonstration and counter arguments. Flerfers and Conspiracy nuts have nothing to get angry about, it's all 100% reason. Plus, cute puppy, who could ever get mad about that :D
Funny, I thought "only an observation" is what flerfs do when they "can see too far" and "the horizon looks flat"
I’m so confused. Do flat earthers not know that there are many relatively highly populated places with the “midnight sun”?
They acknowledge the ones in the north, but not the south, because it would be impossible on the most common map/model they put forth. (since Antarctica goes all around the "rim" of the Earth in their world)
For flat earth prophets, it's not about whether you are right or wrong. It's about defending your right to live comfortably upon the backs of those you grift.
Message to You Tube: I will never watch 1 second of any ads.
Of course an independent variable isn't always needed. Sometimes a single observation destroys a theory. Example :
Assertion : In England, the sun NEVER rises in the East.
Observation : This morning it wasn't cloudy and I saw the sun rising in the East.
Result : The assertion is destroyed, utterly.
That's how most theories are destroyed. Theories aim to explain stuff, so an observation that contradicts the theory destroys the theory. This doesn't apply to observations about stuff the theory doesn't try to explain, for example obervations about gravity can't disprove quantum mechanics, since quantum mechanics doesn't make a claim about gravity.
@@dudono1744 it's even more specific than that. The fundamental role played in science by hypotheses or conjectures makes it important to distinguish between testable (or falsifiable) and non-testable (or non-falsifiable) ideas. Only an idea which asserts or implies that certain conceivable events will *_not_* happen is testable. The test consists in trying to bring about, with all the means we can muster, precisely these events which the idea tells us cannot occur.
Thus, every testable idea may be said to forbid the occurrence of certain events. An idea speaks about empirical reality only in so far as it sets limits to it. No idea can tell us anything about the empirical world unless it is in principle capable of clashing with the empirical world. And this means, precisely, that it must be refutable.
Every testable idea can thus be put into the form ‘such and such cannot happen’. For example, the second law of thermodynamics can be formulated as saying that a perpetual motion machine of the second kind cannot exist. More specifically, the notion that the earth is flat implies unequivocally that seeing a 24 hour sun circling 360 degrees around you in the Arctic in June means that seeing the same thing in Antarctica in December *_must be_* impossible since there is no conceivable geometry of sun / disc / dome that would permit it without invoking magical physics that contradicts what we already know to be true. Equally, the notion that the earth is a tilted rotating sphere orbiting a distant sun predicts that the sun cannot set in Antarctica in December. So a single "observation" of the path followed by the sun in Antarctica in December (which is what TFE will deliver) is sufficient to falsify one or the other of these two notions: only one of them will survive the testing.
Moreover, testability has degrees: an idea which asserts more, and thus takes greater risks, is better testable than one which asserts very little. And an idea that asserts nothing isn't testable at all and means nothing. *_This_* is the basis of the scientific method today. Therefore, all the flerfs hiding behind the phrase "we haven't proposed a model" are in fact admitting that their ideas are worthless. They should put up (a testable model) or shut up.
if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks likes a duck, you best remember those are just observations and it _could_ still be a giraffe.
Seems like the only proficiency the FE crowd can demonstrate is in goalpost shifting.
Practice makes perfect
I think it's hilarious that none of the flerfs have figured out yet that the Final Experiment is happening _right now_ and that they're the subjects - and the results so far are as revealing as they are entertaining.
After years of listening to him, Oakley is 100% POE, he KNOWS Earth is a globe, but Flat Earth is providing him a really good income, same with DITRH.
The problem with TFE is that it threatens the grift. Flerfs must collectively protect the grift
While there, ask the flat earthers to establish where the ice wall is. Have then tell you where North is from your camp location and then ask them to explain how the sun can be behind you, over the ice wall, when the sun is supposed to be contained within the done. 🤣
Yes the legendary ice wall of non existence - get them to show him 😂
What happened to the generic flerf "nobody is allowed to travel to Antarctica!!!?"
The goverment will make an exception for the final experiment, duh! /s
Which government? All of them of course! All governments work together on a common goal in secret. Everybody knows that😂
@@mczeljk The Draconian Lizardmen Government, I guess...
The machine gun toting penguins silenced them all
An observation may not be an experiment by Flerfer standards, but I would be convinced that they are correct if they could provide actual imagery of the edge or underside of the flat earth, or the elephants that they think hold it up.
It's turtles... all the way down.
4:22 I cannot believe we're at the point where people think there might be more then one sun in our solar system
Not sure even one of their beloved Nikons could pull the flerfs moving goalposts back into view.
Clearly they are agenda driven and not curious in the least.
Try and find a fish eye lens that will allow you to lie a camera on on its back and see the sun orbit overhead without needing to move it, very hard to argue with a fixed view showing the sun constantly
I hope one of them will do that, that would be nice. A 360° Camera should be enough, but maybe just to make sure getting a fisheye would be nice. Or even more basic, pointing a camera at a sunclock xD
Isn't someone already sending a 360° cam there?
It’s already been done, and the flerfs simply claimed “fake” 🙄
@@RevolutionibusOrbiumCoelestium I've not seen one with a fixed camera, pointing directly upwards with the sun in every single frame
I love how flat earthers just take definitions as gospel, like "an experiment requires a dependent and an independent variable", or "gas pressure requires a container", both of which are false as absolutes.
An experiment doesn't always need any variables, especially if you have a running experiment where you want to test for the existence of unknown variables. You keep your testing environment the same and let the experiment run, until a change is detected, or the allotted resources (time or otherwise) run out.
Gas pressure doesn't require a container, it only requires a surface. For example, suppose that 10 square kilometers of oxygen just pop into existence in the vacuum of space, and in the middle of this gas cloud there is an iron sphere. That iron sphere will experience pressure, even though there is no container to hold the gas. That pressure will slowly get lower as the gas dissipates, but for a set amount of time, there is pressure on the ball.
Now if there is an unknown attractive force in the middle of that ball, then the pressure will remain there permanently, as the gas will coalesce around the iron ball.
Pressure is really a weird thing tbh.
What we should really be testing is the perpetual motion of the FE goalposts. That truly is an anomaly.
That is really what this experiment is testing, the flerfers just don't realise it.
I find it incredible how anyone would turn down an all-expenses-paid free trip to Antarctica!
"Observation doesn't prove anything"
Thank you kindly for deciding to disprove every single flat-earth argument ever
I have been watching videos of the 24 hour sun in Antarctica since the 1980s. Calling this an experiment is like setting out to prove that the Steelers won 6 SuperBowls, because some Cowboys fans deny it.
I remember the olden days when people like these at school, work, down the pub would just be laughed at and ignored.
I assume all flat earthers kept their curtains drawn last night, so they didn't see the lunar eclipse.
Or they were snoozing
I'm not a flat earther or anything but imagine, just imagine, there's isn't a 24hr sun and even the flat earther gets surprised because even he was expecting
Like, "oopsie, wrong date"
That hypothetical situation would be hilarious.
Here's an experiment to do while you're there: place a stake in the ground with markings showing the angle and length of the shadow and film it as the sun rotates. From the length of the stake and shadow, and the angle, one will get the polar and azimuth angle of the sun as a function of time and one can easily compare that to the predictions of the globe earth (when you get back). What would be better if one can have some physical object in the background that shows the setup hasn't moved, but that may be difficult to frame simultaneously.
Following on from that, 6 months later, perform the exact same experiment near the North pole.
Plus: All experiments are observations!!