@@dhalavit's true that's where the "kimura" comes from. It was called a reverse Americana, before that a double wristlock. It's very similar to a hammerlock, another catch wrestling move.
Zachary Pridemore, Judo terminology may be different than BJJ terminology, but essentially the locks are the same. In judo "armlocks" and "armbars" are generic terms for joint locking the arm with the Japanese term being used for the specific technique. Also, you know that the Kimura (ude-garami) is named after the great judo fighter Masahiko Kimura, yes?
I really liked the ude hishigi hiza gatame. My Sensei performed that movement while sparring with me once and proved to be very effective. Thanks for sharing these movements!
Definitely aimed at Judoka. I remember when I started judo from BJJ, I was all like, "that's a kimura!" And then I realized that the man Kimura was a judoka. Sooooooooooo its probably more accurately called ude garami. I also used to think that it was only a shoulder lock until my buddy had his ARM broken by an Americana, which is not really ironically also called the Ude Garami. Go figure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! P.S. Judo is really hard and makes good fighters.
Matthew de Groot yeah, the nomenclature has really fallen apart. I'm not a guy who cares about the tradition of the thing, it's just easier if we use really specific terms for stuff because it's more informative. For instance, while the Americana and Kimura are both ude garame techniques, the Americana was originally called ue ude garame and the Kimura was called shito ude garame. A third and similar technique, used in this video at about 1:17, is kata ha gaeshi. But in judo we call all of these arm bars, and that's really confusing, because not only are none of them arm bars (all three are shoulder locks) but arm bars is just too broad a classification in judo now for you to have any idea what someone is specifically talking about.
+Matthew de Groot Double Wrist Lock is the name I prefer. It reminds me to twist their wrists when I go for it. Josh Barnett has a beautiful series on UA-cam, just type "Josh Barnett Double Wrist Lock" to find it.
Matthew de Groot one thing. Notice about a lot of BjJ guys who don't know a lot about judo is that they don't know that all their basic techniques come from judo, and it's, for the most part, the maneuvres that separate BJJ from Judo. At the top level obviously you have a million different guards, more sweeps, more variations of chokes (which all have their own names for some reason) and different set ups and just an overal better understanding of jewaza in BJJ now. But originally, the BJJ the first and second generation Gracies promoted) was just judo. Even things like the spider guard and butterfly guard existed in Kosen Judo. Again, now it's different because BJJ's evolved greatly since then. But because of the advertising campaign the gracies had they tried to hide the heritage of jiu jitsu and tried to make judoka out to be these brash brutes who do everything in the least efficient manner, even though the techniques, principles of efficiency and principles of the weak controlling the strong are all taken directly from judo and were principles designed to separate judo from jujutsu. And some of this bias still persists today, but it's mostly clearing up as people cross train and realise 'bjj and judo are basically the same system, but one's standing mainly and the other's groundwork mainly. I train both to get a more complete view on grappling (especially since a lot of the good judo newaza's being lost due to the IJF bastardising judo to be the most boring, limited and uninteresting game they can possibly make it), and i know many people do the same on both sides and i think that's brilliant
@@elenchus We dont call all those "Armbars" in judo...I dunno what Judo school you're from but in Judo we dont call things "Armbars" unless the arm is locked straight like a bar....We generally just label them all "Armlocks"....
Can you still roll? Can you still fight? If you can, why not bring back those fond memories of yours by going to a Judo club at your area and start practicing again?
R0bertValentinefilms Dude, you need a little ass-whoppin' to get those muscles of yours work. I have to do that too since I haven't practiced for quite a while.
You have to finish the technique with your hands once you've reached a sitting position instead of using body positioning and pressure with the legs- that makes it more of a shoulder crank and illegal.
I love the 5 armbar submission. I noticed how my newaza improved from learning on your website. Would you please demonstrate newaza, choking and armbars when I am on a knee positon.
Thanks you Mr. For your inspiring article it's very helpful and interesting. I look forward for more updates and interesting moves, I always like to learn new thing and I learn real quick. Thank you again. God be with you
As far as I know, the "Oma Plata", while technically a shoulder crank and therefore illegal, is recognized as a legal technique. Perhaps an exception to the rule, but you can (and should) consult your local tournament organizer and head judge to be sure. Also, all of these moves are nice and basic, and that's always my favorite
nilton pedrett Spanish too! If you managed to learn Greek you will speaking better greek from many greeks.True! Many anthropologist and medical terms and other sciences using greek words and terms. I m trying to learn Portoguese and Spanish language.
nilton pedrett i've seen lots of BJJ guys call it an 'oma plata' too and it really confuses me. I always called it an 'omoplata' (or sometimes i call it sangaku garami') but i've seen in even black belt BjJ vids calling it 'oma plata' and it really confused me as to how it's supposed to be spelled
John Bon Dacasin for some reason he had that but he opted for a hiza gatame with the arm on the bicep instead. All the literature shows the straight armlock from that position, and it would've been better because then there'd aftually be five armlocks and not 4 armlocks but one done twice
With regards to 3: juji gatame - instead of trying to flip your leg over their back for a chancy calf placement - I'd put my left leg on their hip and shrimp out a bit in order to really nail the perpendicular calf position for a 100% strength armbar. It's also confusing to the defender in my opinion.
***** no i'm a blue belt stupid. 1 is a kimura, which is a shoulder lock, 2 is a shoulder lock as well, 4 is an omoplata (like he said it was) which is a shoulder lock. Every single one except three is a shoulder lock not an armbar. You dont even have to do the martial art to know that
Zachary Pridemore the reverse ude gsrami isn't just a shoulder lock. Remember Kimura broke Helio's arm, not his shoulder If you're reverse ude garami is only a shoulder lock it's because you're not doing it right
the problem with the Ashi Sankaku (oma plata) in judo is that for a shoulder lock to be legal the arm cannot break the plane of the back or it is considered a chicken wing and illegal. the same for all shoulder locks. At one point the technique itself was made illegal because of how its applied the arm almost always breaks the plain of the back
samuraii101 fuck the ijf and their shitty rul're pissing over everything that makes judo judo. The sportsmanship is mediocre, they can't even bow properly, they spend more time in the gym than in the dojo, their newaza is awful, they do techniques that damage their body and they lack both ju and seiryoku zenyo - the two most important principles for judo the martial art and judo the way of physical fitness, maximum efficiency and moral training IJF judo and the olympics are not judo, and their rules are merely jokes
Having practised Judo for 10 years I know I need to create a character based on the sport! Any ideas please message me. Love the idea of an OLD JUDO MASTER kicking the arse of little street knob heads! ROBERT VALENTINE FILMS
Esen Kawamura It's a shoulder and elbow lock. In the standard kimura you figure four the arm and turn it towards the guy's head. To put pressure on the elbow, you turn the guy's wrist so that the thumb is pointed to the ceiling and keep the arm tight to your body. Then, turn it like a normal kimura.
Great techniques, but it bothers me that Judo people keep using the word "armbar" as a generic term for any joint lock attacking the elbow or the shoulder. In my world "armbar" = "juji gatame". I'd say "armlock" instead.
I disagree, in my mind an 'armbar" describes a straight submission (like juji gatame, waki gatame etc) and an armlock is a bent submission such as an omaplata, kimura/ude garami etc
Ok, interesting difference between us. I'm not here to argue with about what is right or wrong. Maybe our disagreement comes from me having done BJJ primarily and you having a more Judo based background? My basic thought is that an "x lock" is any joint lock that attacks joint x, e.g. foot locks are any lock that attacks the foot, wrist locks are any lock that attacks the wrist etc. Hence, an arm lock should be any lock that attacks the arm. What you call an "arm lock" would then be called an "sholder lock". No big deal, just my thoughts. PS, I love your videos!
BeyondGrappling In the US there are generally only 2 techniques we would call an armbar and those are the standard ones from the mount and the closed guard, every other submission putting pressure on the elbow is just an armlock. The bent armlocks we would refer to as shoulder locks. This is a very legitimate channel, I think any argument stems from different nomenclature depending on the country possibly.
+Able24h Sorry buddy, the Excellent Aussie is correct. In Judo, it's all an armbar. Remember, no matter how much BJJ you know, all of that shit comes from Judo. Not trying to be an ass, but fact is fact. All this stuff started in Judo, and the greatest Judo instructors still around (like Dr. Rhadi Ferguson) still teach elite judo with elite BJJ. No matter what your BJJ instructor tells you, BJJ is only an addendum to elite Judo...not that watered down Judo you're probably used to seeing. The Countries don't matter...it's just about knowing the history and having access to the info. I didn't know myself until I was lucky enough to meet someone willing to share the information.
+DvilleDaddy80 Maeda also hung out with some Catch Guys. The limbs can only bend a certain way so all submissions are the same. The path to get to them is what differentiates the arts. The rules also dictate the styles and approaches. Dr Ferguson is very nice, so is his cousin Kimbo to be honest. Anyways, Dr. Ferguson has a good video in his channel explaining some of the differences. The only reason Kano called it Judo was because of his philosophical beliefs. He felt that by adding his philosophy (a lot of Confucian derivatives), that the Jutsu could become Do.Essentially Jutsu or the art was too limiting and he wanted to include his philosophical viewpoints in his system. So it's essentially all JuJutsu unless you practice Kano's religion/ideology.
Karina Bertrand There are no dumb questions, just dumb answers and everyone's a beginner at some point. Now, go out, kick some ass and armbar the shit out of everyone!
Milan udik my bjj instructor wears a watch (he takes it off when he rolls or does a techniques that might damage anything, but giving insufficient information is fun)
'That first one's a BJJ move'
'What's it called?'
'The Kimura'
'Who was Kimura?'
'A judo- oh'
@Tom Sawyer Ude garami :)
Kimura learned it from Karl Gotch who was a catch wrestler,when Kimura left Japan to become a pro wrestler,it's the double wrist lock
@Callan Nova are u fuckin serious lol
@@abdelhakym8283 I love catch wrestling but stop being like the Gracie by spreading misinformation
@@dhalavit's true that's where the "kimura" comes from. It was called a reverse Americana, before that a double wristlock. It's very similar to a hammerlock, another catch wrestling move.
Good stuff, Matt! Can't want to get on the mat tonight and work on drilling some of these. Much thanks!
Your videos are very helpful. Thank you, you got a subscriber
Zachary Pridemore, Judo terminology may be different than BJJ terminology, but essentially the locks are the same. In judo "armlocks" and "armbars" are generic terms for joint locking the arm with the Japanese term being used for the specific technique. Also, you know that the Kimura (ude-garami) is named after the great judo fighter Masahiko Kimura, yes?
For sure, that's because BJJ stands for Basically Just Judo.🤓
I really liked the ude hishigi hiza gatame. My Sensei performed that movement while sparring with me once and proved to be very effective. Thanks for sharing these movements!
Definitely aimed at Judoka. I remember when I started judo from BJJ, I was all like, "that's a kimura!" And then I realized that the man Kimura was a judoka. Sooooooooooo its probably more accurately called ude garami. I also used to think that it was only a shoulder lock until my buddy had his ARM broken by an Americana, which is not really ironically also called the Ude Garami. Go figure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! P.S. Judo is really hard and makes good fighters.
Matthew de Groot yeah, the nomenclature has really fallen apart. I'm not a guy who cares about the tradition of the thing, it's just easier if we use really specific terms for stuff because it's more informative. For instance, while the Americana and Kimura are both ude garame techniques, the Americana was originally called ue ude garame and the Kimura was called shito ude garame. A third and similar technique, used in this video at about 1:17, is kata ha gaeshi. But in judo we call all of these arm bars, and that's really confusing, because not only are none of them arm bars (all three are shoulder locks) but arm bars is just too broad a classification in judo now for you to have any idea what someone is specifically talking about.
+Matthew de Groot Double Wrist Lock is the name I prefer. It reminds me to twist their wrists when I go for it. Josh Barnett has a beautiful series on UA-cam, just type "Josh Barnett Double Wrist Lock" to find it.
americana dont wont non unless you got buns hun :D
Matthew de Groot one thing. Notice about a lot of BjJ guys who don't know a lot about judo is that they don't know that all their basic techniques come from judo, and it's, for the most part, the maneuvres that separate BJJ from Judo. At the top level obviously you have a million different guards, more sweeps, more variations of chokes (which all have their own names for some reason) and different set ups and just an overal better understanding of jewaza in BJJ now. But originally, the BJJ the first and second generation Gracies promoted) was just judo. Even things like the spider guard and butterfly guard existed in Kosen Judo. Again, now it's different because BJJ's evolved greatly since then. But because of the advertising campaign the gracies had they tried to hide the heritage of jiu jitsu and tried to make judoka out to be these brash brutes who do everything in the least efficient manner, even though the techniques, principles of efficiency and principles of the weak controlling the strong are all taken directly from judo and were principles designed to separate judo from jujutsu. And some of this bias still persists today, but it's mostly clearing up as people cross train and realise 'bjj and judo are basically the same system, but one's standing mainly and the other's groundwork mainly. I train both to get a more complete view on grappling (especially since a lot of the good judo newaza's being lost due to the IJF bastardising judo to be the most boring, limited and uninteresting game they can possibly make it), and i know many people do the same on both sides and i think that's brilliant
@@elenchus We dont call all those "Armbars" in judo...I dunno what Judo school you're from but in Judo we dont call things "Armbars" unless the arm is locked straight like a bar....We generally just label them all "Armlocks"....
Sound fundamentals and body mechanics. Thank you.
Thank you for the videos by the way! Brings back fond memories of training JUDO
Can you still roll? Can you still fight? If you can, why not bring back those fond memories of yours by going to a Judo club at your area and start practicing again?
Inspiration man! Thank you I am going to give it a try!
R0bertValentinefilms
Dude, you need a little ass-whoppin' to get those muscles of yours work. I have to do that too since I haven't practiced for quite a while.
I agree. juji gatame=straight armbar only. ude garami attacks the shoulder
Really liked what I saw, efficient, effective, and realistic. Zen
Great video. To the point and clear.
Great video as usual mat!
super! thank you!
My pleasure
Beautiful display. I always wondered what the japanese name for omo plata is
You have to finish the technique with your hands once you've reached a sitting position instead of using body positioning and pressure with the legs- that makes it more of a shoulder crank and illegal.
I love the 5 armbar submission. I noticed how my newaza improved from learning on your website. Would you please demonstrate newaza, choking and armbars when I am on a knee positon.
Thanks you Mr. For your inspiring article it's very helpful and interesting. I look forward for more updates and interesting moves, I always like to learn new thing and I learn real quick. Thank you again. God be with you
Intro was long but good video, straight to the point
As far as I know, the "Oma Plata", while technically a shoulder crank and therefore illegal, is recognized as a legal technique. Perhaps an exception to the rule, but you can (and should) consult your local tournament organizer and head judge to be sure.
Also, all of these moves are nice and basic, and that's always my favorite
Great video!
That love judo intro was soooo loooong
Very nice!
Are the shoulder locks still allowed? I see much debate on this and the actual ruleset - if I remember correctly - says it's allowed.
My one complaint is that two of these are locks (hyper rotations of ball/socket joints), not bars (hyper extensions of planar joints).
In brazilian jiu jitsu we call " OMOPLATA" is the portuguese word for shoulder blade.
japonese jujitsu is Best
nilton pedrett Its the greek word ΩΜΟΠΛΑΤΗ-ωμοπλάτη.( ΩΜΟ ΠΛΑΤΗ) which means shoulder (ΩΜΟ),back(ΠΛΑΤΗ).Shoulderback.
Γιώργος Ψευτινάκος thanx! Portuguese language uses a LOT of greek words... i'd like to learn to speak greek !
nilton pedrett Spanish too! If you managed to learn Greek you will speaking better greek from many greeks.True! Many anthropologist and medical terms and other sciences using greek words and terms. I m trying to learn Portoguese and Spanish language.
nilton pedrett i've seen lots of BJJ guys call it an 'oma plata' too and it really confuses me. I always called it an 'omoplata' (or sometimes i call it sangaku garami') but i've seen in even black belt BjJ vids calling it 'oma plata' and it really confused me as to how it's supposed to be spelled
Ty
One question though, I thought the omoplata was now illegal. I've seen players penalised for trying it
Is ude hishigi hiza gatame applied to the shoulder or is it against the elbow?
I have seen two Oma playas in competition and there were not penalized - but I am not sure its of the rule on it
Add the straight armlock from guard. Basic but highly effective.
John Bon Dacasin for some reason he had that but he opted for a hiza gatame with the arm on the bicep instead. All the literature shows the straight armlock from that position, and it would've been better because then there'd aftually be five armlocks and not 4 armlocks but one done twice
With regards to 3: juji gatame - instead of trying to flip your leg over their back for a chancy calf placement - I'd put my left leg on their hip and shrimp out a bit in order to really nail the perpendicular calf position for a 100% strength armbar. It's also confusing to the defender in my opinion.
Never mind, I see that you did that.
How would you apply it to the elbow?
@jkoeberli @tobelli @beyondgrappling thanks!
nice.
Arm bar or joint lock?
It's good
you said arm bars not kimuras and omoplatas
***** no i'm a blue belt stupid. 1 is a kimura, which is a shoulder lock, 2 is a shoulder lock as well, 4 is an omoplata (like he said it was) which is a shoulder lock. Every single one except three is a shoulder lock not an armbar. You dont even have to do the martial art to know that
armbars artikel submissions on the arm so a omoplata and the kimura is aldo andere armbar
+UFC_HL HD are *
Zachary Pridemore
'that's the wrong terminology, it's a kimura'
Who's kimura?
'Kimura was a judoka!'
Say that again but slowly
Zachary Pridemore the reverse ude gsrami isn't just a shoulder lock. Remember Kimura broke Helio's arm, not his shoulder
If you're reverse ude garami is only a shoulder lock it's because you're not doing it right
This armbar is applied to the elbow
the problem with the Ashi Sankaku (oma plata) in judo is that for a shoulder lock to be legal the arm cannot break the plane of the back or it is considered a chicken wing and illegal. the same for all shoulder locks. At one point the technique itself was made illegal because of how its applied the arm almost always breaks the plain of the back
samuraii101 fuck the ijf and their shitty rul're pissing over everything that makes judo judo.
The sportsmanship is mediocre, they can't even bow properly, they spend more time in the gym than in the dojo, their newaza is awful, they do techniques that damage their body and they lack both ju and seiryoku zenyo - the two most important principles for judo the martial art and judo the way of physical fitness, maximum efficiency and moral training
IJF judo and the olympics are not judo, and their rules are merely jokes
Having practised Judo for 10 years I know I need to create a character based on the sport! Any ideas please message me. Love the idea of an OLD JUDO MASTER kicking the arse of little street knob heads! ROBERT VALENTINE FILMS
Why is the first submission named as one of the 5 armbars, isn't it a shoulder lock
Esen Kawamura It's a shoulder and elbow lock. In the standard kimura you figure four the arm and turn it towards the guy's head. To put pressure on the elbow, you turn the guy's wrist so that the thumb is pointed to the ceiling and keep the arm tight to your body. Then, turn it like a normal kimura.
Great techniques, but it bothers me that Judo people keep using the word "armbar" as a generic term for any joint lock attacking the elbow or the shoulder. In my world "armbar" = "juji gatame".
I'd say "armlock" instead.
I disagree, in my mind an 'armbar" describes a straight submission (like juji gatame, waki gatame etc) and an armlock is a bent submission such as an omaplata, kimura/ude garami etc
Ok, interesting difference between us. I'm not here to argue with about what is right or wrong. Maybe our disagreement comes from me having done BJJ primarily and you having a more Judo based background?
My basic thought is that an "x lock" is any joint lock that attacks joint x, e.g. foot locks are any lock that attacks the foot, wrist locks are any lock that attacks the wrist etc. Hence, an arm lock should be any lock that attacks the arm.
What you call an "arm lock" would then be called an "sholder lock".
No big deal, just my thoughts.
PS, I love your videos!
BeyondGrappling In the US there are generally only 2 techniques we would call an armbar and those are the standard ones from the mount and the closed guard, every other submission putting pressure on the elbow is just an armlock. The bent armlocks we would refer to as shoulder locks. This is a very legitimate channel, I think any argument stems from different nomenclature depending on the country possibly.
+Able24h Sorry buddy, the Excellent Aussie is correct. In Judo, it's all an armbar. Remember, no matter how much BJJ you know, all of that shit comes from Judo. Not trying to be an ass, but fact is fact. All this stuff started in Judo, and the greatest Judo instructors still around (like Dr. Rhadi Ferguson) still teach elite judo with elite BJJ. No matter what your BJJ instructor tells you, BJJ is only an addendum to elite Judo...not that watered down Judo you're probably used to seeing.
The Countries don't matter...it's just about knowing the history and having access to the info. I didn't know myself until I was lucky enough to meet someone willing to share the information.
+DvilleDaddy80 Maeda also hung out with some Catch Guys. The limbs can only bend a certain way so all submissions are the same. The path to get to them is what differentiates the arts. The rules also dictate the styles and approaches. Dr Ferguson is very nice, so is his cousin Kimbo to be honest. Anyways, Dr. Ferguson has a good video in his channel explaining some of the differences.
The only reason Kano called it Judo was because of his philosophical beliefs. He felt that by adding his philosophy (a lot of Confucian derivatives), that the Jutsu could become Do.Essentially Jutsu or the art was too limiting and he wanted to include his philosophical viewpoints in his system. So it's essentially all JuJutsu unless you practice Kano's religion/ideology.
Great but reverse angles would have helped.
2:30
isn't putting the hands on the pants illegal now?
This is ne-waza and there it is still legal. Only in tachi-waza it is illegal.
thank you! I'm a beginner! wow wait… i just realized what a dumb question that was ahahahahha
Karina Bertrand There are no dumb questions, just dumb answers and everyone's a beginner at some point. Now, go out, kick some ass and armbar the shit out of everyone!
1:30 juji gatame
Yep
subsribed
The other day this young bjj guy said to me 'yeah Judo is fine but what do you do when you get to the ground?'
Oh dear....
Lol
This armbar is actually a shoulder crank.
great video, but please, rings don't belong on the mat, they are dangerous, probably more for wearer then opponent
Milan udik my bjj instructor wears a watch (he takes it off when he rolls or does a techniques that might damage anything, but giving insufficient information is fun)
Elbow... shoulder would be illegal.
I feel like judo clubs don't teach all that stuff anymore. It is all about throws and a tini tiny bit of "ground work".
+Michael Enns yep so true
Well the first armbar you did isn't an armbar.
Omoplata.. not omaplata OKAY
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Nice
The technique for 'classic armbar' is incorrect
This armbar is actually a shoulder crank.