Alliance Bad - (All Events of the Alliance Aggression in WoW Lore)
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- Опубліковано 17 лют 2020
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Now when it comes to things that the horde has done bad, there's a couple of expansions whose sole focus is that, so this video will go over alliance bad things, things that members of the alliance have done which could be considered morally questionable.
1-Purge of Dalaran
2- Camp Taurajo
3- Greymane attacking Sylvanas during a truce in stormheim
4- Alliance killing Rastakhan
5- Alliance attack first at Silithus
6- Alliance attacking civilian Goblin ships because "no witnesses"
7- Dwarves slaughtering the Stonespear Tauren
8- Dwarves and humans attacking any forsaken emissary on sight
- "Iffy" Alliance involvement
1- Garithos
2- AU Yrel
3- Orc Labor Camps
4- Daelin Proudmoore
5- Arthas
6-Nelfs kicked High Elves out for wanting to use magic. Also didn't let orcs chop down trees.
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*Dalaran massacre*
Jaina: This city must be purged of Blood Elves
*me as a male human Paladin*
Me: Im sorry Jaina...i cannot watch you do this
Good reference
This brings a smile to my face
Jaina: Damn it, Champion. As the new leader of Kirin Tor, I order you to purge this city of Blood Elves!
*gets a bowl of popcorn* I can, anytime the elves get theres it a good time for me
@@MrTwistedLizard Shame they couldn't give you grammar that doesn't give strokes to people when they read it
Point you missed with the goblin starting zone: when Thrall was attacked, he was on his way to the Maelstrom on Earthen Ring business, not as a member of the Horde. It's the equivalent of if the Horde used Malfurion's efforts against the Firelands as a good opportunity for an assassination.
who was assassinated?
No those were twilight hammer cultist
@ThatAnimeGuy to be fair Thrall was still technically the official warchief there.
Garrosh was still just a stand in.
@ThatAnimeGuy Garrosh was instructed to lead the Horde until, Thrall returned.
He was first given the full mantle and permanent position.
After, the goblin hero delivers Thrall's message making him the actual warchief.
Thrall was still Warchief when the SI:7 attacked him, but he was on his way with to the Earthern Ring, to save the world from falling into deep holm.
So, indeed Stormwind tried to end the world.
Thrall has been the Warchief of the Horde for years, more than a decade up to that point, and suddenly because he says "Guys I'm with this neutral faction now, promise" everyone is supposed to believe it?
It's like if we caught Sylvanas now and she was like "Yeah, I did all those horrible things but I JUST changed to be the leader of this orphanage, so now I have complete immunity from everything I've ever done, byeeeee"
In Vanilla, the Scarlet Crusade actually even has an emissary in Stormwind Cathedral. Which is kinda funny when you think about it. In reality in Vanilla the Alliance has no reason to be hostile to the Scarlet Crusade.
in desolace there is a quest where the alliance player character impresses a SC emissary enough to be invited to the monastery, problem that your invitation is burned by a Paladin who betrays the SC
In Vanilla, Onyxia was disguised as Lady Prestor and was using her influence to do dark things.
And the scarlet crusade never was a good thing in alliance.
@@arthursalustino Well, the Scarlet Crusade was more a case of, "We know that you do bad stuff, but we will look in the other direction." The Alliance simply had no reason to go after the Crusade, because in the end they kept the Scourge and other undead in check essentially making sure that they were able to fully march southwards against for example Southshore. And at least you CAN negotiate with the Crusade on some level (Marjhan and other crusaders helped with the attack on Naxxramas after all), but most undead are completely mindless.
@@CecilyThanador They were also in the depths of undead controlled land. No real way to help them, even if they wanted to. At that point, the alliance never wanted a fullscale war with the horde, which would have happend in that case.
"The Alliance produced Arthas"
*Distant Ner'zhul laughter*
@Gabeslogic Uther tried to stop Arthas, Muradin tried to stop Arthas, Therenas was killed by Arthas , Ner’Zhul basically “made” Arthas - but somehow its Alliance fault.
Plus, Arthas technically counts as scourge anyway.
And nerzhul pretty much balances him out
During shadowlands we hear that Arthas did not know what he was doing. The jailor controlled him and gave him the ilusion that he would do everything in the name of the good. Nerzuls soul was just a crafting material to make the armor and frostmourne. Maybe he controled also a small part of arthas but the jailor did the biggest part.
@@DioBrando-qi9so ...thats a load of shit!
Well it was more of kel'thuzad
It's wild how big tauren are canonically.
"Vol'jin looked UP at baine from his raptor"
Somehow Blizz turned noble Minotaur like people into goofy ass cow people… always hated that to this day.
All this alliance and horde squabbling makes me wish Scourge was a valid playable faction.
FOR THE HORDE
@@Azure_clematis14 No, for the Scourge
@@noctusowl haha, FOR THE HORDE STILL
For the scorge !
Arent Scourge and Horde the same thing now?
Jaina: "Glad you could make it, Councillors."
Council of Six: "Watch your tone with us, girl. You may be Kirin Tor's new leader, but we're still your superiors as your elders."
Jaina: "As if I could forget. Listen, Councillors, there's something about blood elves you should know."
Jaina: "Oh no, we're too late. The blood elves have already spread across the city. They may look fine now, but it's only a matter of time before they betray us to the Horde."
Council of Six: "What!?"
Jaina: "The entire blood elves must be purged from this city!"
Council of Six: "How can you even consider that!? There's got to be some other way!"
Jaina: "Damn it, Councillors! As your leader I order you to purge the blood elves!"
Council of Six: "You are not our better yet, girl! Nor would we obey that command even if you were!"
Jaina: "Then I must consider this an act of treason."
Council of Six: "TREASON!? Have you lost your mind, Lady Proudmoore!?"
Jaina: "Have I? Councillors, but my right as the leader of Kirin Tor, I hereby relieve you of your command and suspend your mages from service."
Vereesa: "Jaina, you can't just...!"
Jaina: "It's done! Those of you who have the will to save Dalaran, follow me! The rest of you, get out of my sight!"
Council of Six: "You've just crossed a terrible threshold, Lady Proudmoore."
Jaina: "Vereesa...."
Vereesa: "Alright, Jaina. My Silver Covenant will help you do this."
good one ;)
Jaina: "Wait a second... this seems awfully familiar."
Alliance isnt bad
Horde isnt bad
Scourge isn't bad
The legion isnt bad
The Old Gods aren't bad
Its blizzard's writing that is bad
@Jojo Bizzare Activision Blizzard™ ACTUALLY
Not necessarily the writing; just its ingame portrayal.
@@aleksandarvil5718 no it's blizzard actually even in tbc and vanilla you can see blizzard's bad writing
The only bad character is Nathanos
Yup, the times of good writing are gone
Blizzard storytelling is garbage most of the times
"Now when it comes to things that the horde has done bad, there's a couple of expansions whose sole focus is that"
Ouch. That's... Fair, but really hurts.
There is one, and it was written by a hack. Both were bad in every other one
CamTheKitty cata and mop were both kinda horde bad, at least more than alliance. Although it was more just on garrosh, like in bfa with sylvanas
@@OhNoTheFace Whom'st is this "hack?"
Dangerous Second account to be faaaaair, the Horde was led by Garrosh and Sylvanas and ultimately followed the orders. I few genocides later the Horde only has the blood of a few million people ie Darnassus, Ashenvale, Gilneas, Southshore and Hillsbrad, Pyrewood and Ambermill, the Pandaren who didn’t obey, Theramore etc.
Not only expansions. Warcraft 1 and 2 too ;)
Am I the only one who feels really sad when I hear mentions of Yrel becoming a Light Supremacist? She was friendly and determined all through WoD. It kind of makes me wish they hadn't written that storyline.
DrPluton absolutely man. Makes no sense for her character. Only maybe thst she listens to light obsessively
I think that's just the point, though. Giving oneself too fully to the light surrenders that true more variable self to the lights "one 'true' path".
Would be interesting to see what freeing someone from the Light's grasp would entail, if even possible-- just like how we're beginning to see that void corruption isn't necessarily absolute as it seems as well.
This is WoW. It's in-game lore is basically a set of anime-like confrontations with immediate emotions for players from the both sides. Being coherent is one of the last things it's aimed at.
Well there's a long time between WOD and BFA. Tbh, that was one if the more interesting concepts of this expansion.
Make sense for them to scrap the barrens thing. It might of actually made the war morally grey
Why would that be bad
@@janterri3539 bad for business
@@janterri3539 He never said it would be bad.
Silithus, Stormheim & the Undead emissary incident are all spot-on.
Camp Taurajo was a millitary target during wartime that allowed civillians to escape. That is how you fight wars correctly.
While the Purge of Dalaran was an overreaction, comparing the sunreavers actively assisting in a major War Crime to Dalaran aiding the defense - and only the defense - of a city that stood for peace throughout its entire existence is laughable.
The trees of Ashenvale are sacred to the Night Elves, so it is beyond me why retaliation is even considered in a video like this. You can't harvest the Azeroth Equivalent of a UNESCO world heritage site and be salty when its protectors fight back.
Lehmannation plus stealing lumber from another nation is also a crime. It would be as if UK invaded Norway and started drilling their oil and then get mad when Norway kicked them out.
Anduin playing fetch with Greymaine 🤣🤣🤣
I'm just glad I'm not the only one who thought Greymain looked like a pet. :D
Greymane*
I laughed lol
I was literally going to sign in just to make that comment it was hilarious
greymane*
If you're going to pin Arthas on the Alliance of Lordaeron, then someone could pin Gul'dan on the Horde.....
BrooklynRedLeg or Nerzhul who was the reason Arthas became evil in the first place.
pierre persson Try a little more reason and logic
pierre persson not wrong. Nerzhul was the one who orchestrated his downfall.
@pierre persson Not wrong, Nerzul was the master mind behind most of what happened in Arthas's story.
He personally targeted him as his champion.
that's right, most of the alliance members (for example jaina and uther) absolutely didn't want to follow his purge. only soldiers loyal to arthas went with him into lordaeron. arthas was taught the way of light, pride and justice by the alliance and by his father. the alliance is clearly not a fault for his downfall.
Horde still have vulpera
Thats their punishment
They deserve it
Nobody cares, Kakio. Just like nobody cares about Gnomes or Mecha-Gnomes.
Ah, the voice of reason.
@@ErikWarhammer plenty of people care. And plenty more love the memes about it.
1. Elves fiddle with arcane magic
2. arcane magic gets the attention of Sargeras and his Burning Legion
3. burning legion attempts invasion and creates arthas
4. arthas creates sylvanas
5. sylvanas burns down a tree
6. ??? profit
I call this Karma
Kevin flynn one big problem here - those elfs who summoned demons are actually now Nightborne and Blood elfs and in the Horde.
@@MrVlad12340 Gold star for accuracy.
T.R. Loney people who blame Tyrande (and night elfs) for Legion invasion never cease to make me facepalm. Literally barking up the wrong tree.
@@MrVlad12340 True (don't forget about nagas tho) and impressive use of "barking the wrong tree" to make it ultimate argument
I'm surprised Varian's mission to assassinate Moira Bronzebeard wasn't listed. Sure it didn't result in Moira's death, but that was still a very "awkward" thing where Stormwind was deciding how other nations should handle their shit... SI:7 hit squad to handle Ironforge politics (without being requested I might add).
something else about the purge... Jaina was a member of the Council of Six.... yes she was given a certain degree of authority to run Dalaran, but not to the degree that she acted in the purge where she could act as judge/jury/executioner and altering the face of Dalaran without the other council members' say.
Ehhhh, in the Night Elves' defence, it wasn't just a couple of trees. It was like, a whole lot of their "Sacred Grove".
In wich they simply replied by slaughterin the orcs without telling them what they even did wrong they came crashing along with a fucking demigod to wipe them out. If Tyrande didn´t have her starwberry weeks 24/7 all year round she would have at least said "hey dudes thats holy ground you are on if you want some trees i got some druids that can help you grow them fast but you got to stay out of here" but nope Demigod nuke it is just for some people trying to get wood to have a roof above their head
It's the equivalent of humans actually being able to successfully blow up the Eywa tree in Avatar.
A point you missed though is depending on which side you play on BoD it shows you a different motive for the battle with Rastakhan. Alliance who saw the actual event saw Genn asking Rastakhan to surrender, he refuses and then we have to kill him. your video makes it sound like the alliance's original intent was to kill him. It wasnt. The Horde however gets told a very different conversation, embellished to make it looked like killing him was the original intent. I found this change of context rather creative.
Horde propaganda indeed, the troll chose his fate.
W8 the intent was "to drive a wedge between the zandalari and the horde".And since when did intention matter?The horde intention in the water for thorns was to drive a wedge between the members of the alliance.i mean yes it had something called as utter stupidity and alliance plan had only stupidity.but if that is a justification then isn't the fourth war justified?
badri nath because unlike with War of Thorns Alliance had no intention of genociding Zandalari.
@@MrVlad12340 Neither did the Horde, technically.
The plan was to capture the world tree. (Capture the troll king)
Holding its people hostage and make it harder for the alliance to act. (Taking a Hostage sounds familiar? Talanji)
the events are pretty mirrored with the exceptions of the Horde never making landfall on the world tree and instead destroyed it, with the rulers fleeing.
While the Alliance made Landfall, demanded the King to Surrender and he stood his ground.
I mean if the writers had not been trying to milk BFA with pointless Horde drama, then Sylvanas would already had lost the Horde after burning the Tree.
the War of Thorns was planned as an Honorable war, lead by Saurfang.
To grant her credit.
What was told to Rastakan doesn't matter in the slightest. He was raided in his home, his fleet decimated and his people killed. He would defend himself no matter what. If the Alliance intention was just to cripple the Horde and Zandalari by destroying the fleet... they didn't have to raid the city at all. They could have just pushed the button to explode all the ships (which they did)... and then just sailed off. Done. No need to remove the leader. Maybe he would join the Horde, maybe he wouldn't. He didn't have the fleet at that point, so it didn't really matter. For the Alliance, it made little difference if it was Rastakan personally or his daughter Talanji leading the Zandalari. It never really held any strategic significance to the Alliance in terms of preventing the war.
Can’t believe I actually laughed at “your mom likes goblin nobs” 😂😂
I lost it
I was looking for someone else who laughed at this XD
Well, the Horde only invaded Azeroth and slaughtered some humans and killed her brother and father. And despite all that, she still saved Garrosh's father Grom and most importantly giving Grom a chance to free the entire Orc race from Mannaroth's demon corruption, she only got her entire city nuked by the very Orcs she helped to save who then celebrated in Orgrimmar after. No biggy!
And then she told that next horde will nuke Teldrassil and people laughed at her. And then horde nuked Teldrassil and celebrated in Orgrimmar again. But horde is innocent! Its just whole races keep falling on those genocides horde leaves lying around!
But camp taurajo, the horde needs retribution for the 5 tents the alliance burned !!!
Now hold on, jaina killed her own father, she actively helped in doing that. So i refuse to accept that as a valid excuse.
@@damackabet.4611 Exactly, she sacrificed her own father because she thought it was the right thing to do. Because she trusted the Horde and wanted to let them have a home. Then she got repaid with a nuke.
*All examples of Alliance Aggression!* 16 Minute Video
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in Azsuna you find a note that has info on what Sylvanas is doing in stormheim, which you deliver to a worgen in dalaran who brings it to genn
Light give me the strength not to read the comments.
Eww religious people
Shadow give you weakness to read them anyway.
You knpw the alliance dont have sylvanas loyalist-like fanatics right? Wont find much.
@@cimex7492
Garithos did nothing wrong jokes 😉
@@cimex7492 people who take a Horde logo tattoo as a personal attack?
Where is the 4 hour-long horde aggression video?
@Dean Robin I would like to see it as well and I am playing on both sides and consider the Faction war dumb at this stage (depose Sylvanas now and finally give us the option to form guilds accross the faction line and play and raid together!)...I have no problem with most Horde races, except one: The Orcs! Who are dishonorable alien conquerors who should IMHO go back to Outland (Nagrand is habitable!) or even the new alternate Draenor!) :)
the horde isnt aggressive. we just have dumbasses and sylvanas
Maluthor and Garrosh. And Gul’dan. And Nerzhul. And those morons that kept attacking night elfs back in Vanilla. And every second forsaken... list goes on.
@@MrVlad12340 garrosh did nothing wrong. not all forsaken are completely bad. but yeah fuck gul'dan and nerzhul
@@_Malvar as i said "every second" forsaken. And Garrosh did a lot of things wrong, he just pretended he had no choice.
There is also the spies and saboteurs that the Alliance send into the blood elf territory before they joined the horde :D
Meh
I love that dwarven spy and the night elves with the quest drop. It's my favourite part of the entire starting experience!
That was such nonsense, why are there night elves skulking around eversong?
There was no pre existing rivalry there, my guess is it was just game designers making quests and wanted horde elves to fight alliance elves.
@@Maniaman213 Except their hate for the highborne and massive distrust in them
@@NetherCrafterSMC It was 10.000 years ago and the night elves let the blood elves go their own way.
When Malfurion and Tyrande meet the blood elves 10.000 years later theres no tension or hate towards the blood elves, they help each other.
When you assume that Sylvanas is up to some shady stuff, you're never gonna be wrong.
The editing is absolutely beautiful in this video I love the little squabbling of the pets in the video.
The moral is: Gnomes are sweet angels that haven't done anything wrong.
Yeah, just tried to summon Jaraxxus
Asked to kill innocent animals in Borean Tundra for no real reason than fun
Also let's not get started with Gnomeregan.
sure if their continued generation of Superfund sites is "Nothing wrong" in your mind
And I mean, Mechagon was a thing like.. yesterday. Sooo.... nope.
So, I was watching this guy do 10 hours of island expeditions (he is horde) because I haven't played horde side and I wanted to see how our island nps talked etc.., one of the gnomes was like "If you don't succeed I'll shoot you myself!" or something like that. Savage. Gnomes are savage. Haha
Themes of the alliance: Honor, Courage, And so much racism that uncle ruckus would be proud
Fulgrim where? Name me an instance of Alliance racism outside of Garithos i dare you.
VladTutushkin literally held orcs as slaves and in camps, treated them like animals. Even if some orcs attacked the alliance that was still messed up. Ever heard thrall’s life story?
@@knogne5073 It was either that or wipe them out completely calmer heads (Proudmoore) prevailed. Say what you want about the camps but the way I see it until proven to be civil keeping them under close watch was the smartest decision, Enemies close and all that
K Nogne and as others mentioned alternative was to kill them all. And just so you know - those humans who came up with camps idea - lordaeronians are now in the Horde as forsaken. And high elfs wanted to just kill all orcs and now they also in the horde as blood elfs so go and bitch as them , not at people of stormwind who actually had no say in that issue.
@@knogne5073 still the Alliance of Lordaeron, which is defunct. Majority of those people died during the Scourge plague.
Flying buttress is good, rely enjoy his work
I want to say I found Flying Buttress through Hiru some time ago, and I'm so happy I did.
Buttress kicks ass!
that jaina thing kinda reminds me of what arthas did...
Cmon Hiru, I have time. Let’s see the horde version.
Your hubris will be your downfall
@@evan64915 aye zealot fanatics thinking they actually good ppl. Its quite hilarious.
We would be here all day.
Max same I also have a lot of time
They've done nothing wrong.
I actually like the goblins, they fit good intro the horde.
Yeah they took role of ogres, as constructors of battle ships and war vehicles. Also they are perfect counterpart of gnomes with all this technology stuff!
12:23 hey, we can call each other zombie, but when the living say it's kinda... y'know. Just stay away from the Z word
Seems like you missed something. The whole... Locking Talanji up. Though it's never explained why Anduin, the diplomat, even does that.
Because she was with the prophet, who by that point had led the Zandalri trolls in multiple incursions and uprisings across the planet, making him at least an enemy of the Alliance.
Cegesh no, Alliance pretty much knew Zul very well, it is mentioned a few times.
My guess is they locked her up as she was with Zul at the time. He DID resurrect the Thunder King after all.
Because Anduin is not in charge of the Alliance, or even his own kingdom; Shaw and Greymane are.
@Punkrawk yeah, thats why he hamfisted everybody into a shameful peace treaty, because he is “not in charge”, right.
Oh wow I don’t usually like new editors but this video was so great! Actually gonna check him out
"no reason"... they were literally at war.
Still an extremely soft target to rape and pillage
CamTheKitty Alliance didnt raped anybody in Dazar’Alor.
@JORGE ALBERTO NUNEZ FIERRO Garona I think is mentioned to be a child of an unwilling Dranaei and an Orc... so more orcs being evil
The term ‘rape and pillage’ actually has nothing to do with rape how we think of the word today. Rape used to just mean take/snatch/steal.
@@mathews1451 lmao
''It's not bad when we do it'' Sounds like a famous country known for its double standards.
Which one do you mean?
USA, Russia, Israel, UK, numerous sub-saharan counties, India, China, numerous Arab countries, Pakistan, Japan... etc.?
Everyone has the attitude that they are right at the end, and can pretend to do the right thing.
Although aome are more honest about their true motives than others.
@@BaltisLV Exactly.
Every country is like that...
@@LS-wy4bk Maybe, but some get more hate than others. Especially if they lose the war. You know - the winners write the history and stuff.
@@Foxtrot-jr5qu And the sins of the winner get passed to the loosing side...
Never forget the purge of Dalaran
I love the way you structured and edited this video. Would like 2 see more videos like this one.
Do the Horde? Maybe each race's independent cultures on the opinions of the others crossing the AvH barrier.
Check out flying buttress then. He did the editing and is awesome at his job
I mean how can you even do Horde one? That would take hours, Horde has simply way too many of these acts where for alliance you have to spesifically look for them and even Twist the situation a little.
I wasn't prepared to see Genn and Turalyon dancing, I spilled my drink all over my desk 😂
Kuddos on the clouds dude, the captions are great xD. Keep up the good work.
Ok waiting a 1 hour horde aggression video
lolosh99 3 hours.
1? My my, aren't you conservative with that number 😂
alot of those aggressiv actions made *for me personaly* no sense, like attacking Thrall during Cata or killing the forsaken emessarys.
killing the Forsaken emissaries actually makes sense. It's sad and was a decision motivated purely by blind fear and hate but it did make sense. Keep in mind Lordaeron, one of the greatest human Kingdoms, had just gotten obliterated by the undead in what could basically be described as an apocalypse. This would have freaked out everyone left in the alliance and undead were already seen evil creatures *prior* to the scourge. Couple that with the fact that one of the big tools used by the Scourge to weaken Lordaeron was a plague that created undead and it honestly makes perfect sense why they panicked and killed every Forsaken who showed up. "OH GOD IT'S AN UNDEAD HERE TO SPREAD PLAGUE!!! KILL IT!!!". So entirely understandable.
Scarlet Crusade should be an offshoot of Alliance criminals (which they are) following their bigotry to the conclusion. On the same note the Horde had its own sect of fanatic infiltrators trying to subvert what the Horde stood for, the Burning Blade. Vanilla would've been much more interesting if he stories wound around the Horde throwing the Crusade in the Alliance's face at the same time as the Alliance threw the Burning Blade in the Horde's face. That would make the thin peace Thrall and Jaina cooked at the end of Warcraft III crumble organically. Instead, what we got is the Burning Blade stories never really paying off, and the Alliance never really being forced to confront what the Crusaders did in the Plaguelands.
@@moscanaveia because Scarletts were never under Alliance jurisdiction. They are not even Stormwind citizens.
@@MrVlad12340 The Scarlet Crusade was formed from the remnants of the Knights of the Silver Hand and gathered citizens from all member states of the old Alliance of Lordaeron. Yes, that includes citizens of Stormwind. The Alliance itself did not directly associate itself with the Crusade, but theye were not openly hostile either. In fact, quite the opposite. The Catheddral of Light in Stormwind held a Crusade ambassador, Brother Crowley, who directed adventurers to do the Crusade's work on Desolace. So Stormwind tolerated the Crusade until it was revealed they wewre under the influence of the Dreadlords. But they were corrupt before that - since the death of the Ashbringer, they have been sliding down the ramp of zealotry and bigotry, and that's why the Argent Dawn left their ranks. But the Alliance was still supportive of the Crusade, and only didn't associate further with them because they had little presence in northern Lordaeron, where the Horde was stronger.
@@moscanaveia not true. Alliance stopped associating with them after Hero goes to Desolace and then to Lordaeron and finds out about Scralett zealotry, Dreadlord infiltration was only found out later.
are you just going to leave out the fact that Sylvanas killed Genn's son? attacked and blighted the whole city of Gilneas? I don't think Genn needed additional provocation to seek her demise.
Sylvanas never blighted Gilneas, and evening if she had, none of what you claimed justifies Greymane’s attempts to conduct a complete genocide of the Forsaken. He also violated the peace treaty when he attacked the Horde fleet in Stormheim without any provocation or cause to do so.
@Bleeding Eye Watcher you missed the part where she used the plague despite Garroshe’s orders which led to Gilneas becoming uninhabitable for a long time? We dont even know how inhabitable it is now. And no, breaking the lamp is not a genocide. Forsaken are not even a race - they are afflicted members of human and some other races. Its like saying that lepergnomes are a race and not just irradiated and insane gnomes.
@teslagod2003 are you simple? Horde attacked Alliance during WoD on Ashran, initiating the PvP stuff there lorewise. Alliance didnt used that as a justification for a full blown war. Plus Gilneas was neutral back then and fell under a massive attack that was completely unprovoked. Comparing that to a battle between Genn and Sylvanas which btw revealed that banshee was again up to no good is laughable and does not justify anything horde did. Alliance was never bigoted or racist or warmongering. If anything they act like too much forgiving SJWs and keep appeasing the horde , at least thats what high king always does.
true, but on a scale from goodie to badie we all know which faction is closer to each side
Fun thing to consider... we're viewing this from a modernistic, "western" universalist point, that exists for like 60ish years.
As well as the fact that we're looking from a human point, not orc or elf one.
In reality all races/factions will have a drastically different views on what's right or not.
Just think about the lifespans and therefore different reproductive strategies.
Think about intelligence, faith, relation to elements, nature etc.
v o i d none of which matter as admitted by devs since they write it from “humans perspective”.
@@BaltisLV well, yes the story is in fact written by humans, for humans of the 21st century
it'd be pretty stupid to consider it from a savage troll tribes perspective as we are, in fact, not trolls. same goes from the draenei or any race
i get what you're trying to say but it should be self evident
@@joshlyman7059 It is evident that the story is this way in current Warcraft. However there's absolutely nothing stupid about considering it from a more detailed, or dare I say, interesting perspective.
It has been done in fantasy before, just takes alot more writing. Even modern fantasy like Warhammer or 40k tries doing so (quite decently I'd say).
I'm not saying Warcraft completely lacks it, but it could be improved a bit more.
@@BaltisLV zes u can try but any writing and any reasoning about it would still be done by a human who lives in a human society, we cans study other cultures but we cant not see it through our lens
which was my point, WoW is both written, made and played by humans
cheers mate, I am follwing for the support. I like listening while playing :)
I can vouch for how good the videos are by FlyingButtress. I just watched his most recent on before this video. Great way to learn about the lore of WOW and have a few laughs.
Arthas cursed sylvanas, so I'd say he carries at least some of the blame for her actions.
And Jaina didn’t stop him making her responsible for everything they did :P
Good vid as always
Loved your hilarious edits
You forgot that the blood elves actually helped destroy theramore pre purge. That's the real reason jaina kicked them out of dalaran
Clayton Hansen she even forgave them for that. She couldnt take it anymore when they smuggled ANOTHER WMD to Garrosh.
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You forgot to mention that she killed the Alliance forces that help her take the capital city. I think that would have been a pretty big deal to not trust the Forsaken by the Alliance at the time.
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There is a quest in Aszuna called "Fate of the Queen's Reprisal" that if done by the Alliance gives intel about Sylvannas motivations in that zone. So it wouldnt have been a blind attack by Genn as if he could have had knowledge that Sylvannas wasn´t going to the Broken Islands to aid the war effort against the Legion. Though is hard to tell since, as I recall, there is no canon order by a lore stranpoint in which the zones have to be done.
Sylvanas came to Stormheim for its sandy beaches.
To your point of the Alliance troops being sent to Theramore Rhonin was Explicit in his orders that they were SOLEY to defend Theramore. They would NOT attack.
"i see now why your two factions can't stop fighting!!! every reprisal is itself an act of aggression!! and every act of aggression triggers an immediate reprisal!!!" - taran tszu
Flying Buttress
Horde guy: Seriously though, why are we on separate sides? Far as I can tell, we’re just the same as you guys, but different appearances. And the only reason that we set up the Horde, is because the Alliance did bad stuff to some random group of people in the past. And the only reason they have the Alliance is because we did some bad stuff to some other random race or nationality in the past.
Alliance guy: Yeah, that's because they were fighting eachother. They kinda still are.
Horde guy: No no, but I mean, even if we were to pull out today, and they were to come take the Horde, they would have a BUNCH of races that hate them because of what they did in the past. Whoop de fucking do!
Just got to say for the post 3rd war alliance not allowing the undead in, lets have a quick itinerary of events, undead and demons had swarmed the eastern kingdoms and had left deep scars on the people there, then post the war Arthas lead the scourge left in the eastern kingdoms to slaughter all he could find there adding more to the hate for the undead. Then Sylvanas teams up with Garithos who was the de-facto leader of the alliance force Lordaeron only to backstab him and steal the the city. Can you blame the other members of the alliance for not trusting her or just flat hating the undead for the many terrible things they had done up until then
Lot of people talking about alliance "killing" Vulpera during the Vol'dun assault. I'm wondering if people actually do them because you don't kill them at all, you scare them off with a special totem. The person who gives you the quest even says "The Vulpera are not our enemy, but we cannot allow them to transport supplies for the Horde." And that's all we burn is Horde supplies, not their homes or them.
Because if made kinda an uproar on the PTR at the time. Thats still in the heads of people to "blame" the alliance for bad or cruel actions against...ehm..horde? or..people
The vulpera weren't with the horde at the time. Same with zandalari. They killed people who had nothing to do with the conflict simply for trading with the horde.
zain gelous Zandalari gave Horde their soldiers before battle fr Dazar Alor and attacked Kul’Tiras.
They don't have homes.Those "supplies" you burnt was all they ever had.ever.the Vulpera are nomads but let me point out that there was some reference to the gilneans having done something to them
@@MrVlad12340 that was horde.dont remember Zandalari there fairly..........Only orcs that jaina one shoted.and it was rexxar who led the attacks with Lillian...
"The night elves didn't want the orcs chopping trees"
I literally don't see what's wrong with this at all, it's their territory, their "sacred" forests. What are they supposed to do, tell them not to?
"Please, could you not destroy a land that doesn't belong to you?"
@Valithor Those are too many words for "Let's drink demom blood and kill everything... Twice"
Valithor they CHOSE the shitty desert to live in. They could have relocated to more fertile lands like Mulgore or even to Ungoro Crater which is choke full of plants and has no sentient life. Also, they signed up a treaty that gave them Azshara in exchange for no longer going into Ashenvale. Which they broke btw.
@Valithor they never asked to borrow lumber or land. Even after treaties were established, The Orcs just keep taking without acknowledgment. Even though they were Invaders and slaves, the orcs rarely learn.
There's only one way to deal with invaders who dont respect your way of life.
@@AdmiralButtercrust94 To be SORTA fair, they have the whole "destroy nature" thing basically coded into them. They descended from a long line of Breakers that starts with Grond, a massive elemental giant created by titan Aggramar to combat the Evergrowth, a hivemind of all the plantlife on Draenor. The orcs are descendants of a construct that was DESIGNED to destroy nature. So like many of Azeroth's problems, it comes down to titans' surprising incompetence.
Sylvanas: ThE aLlIaNcE aTtAcKeD uS a LiTtLe BiT. pLs CoMmIt GeNoCiDe
I'm impressed you were able to find one bad thing yet alone make a video last 16min
I thought I detected a hint of buttress in this video, especially in the captions.
This was the video edited by flying buttress!? He makes some of the best content out there, I should have recognized the editing style lmfao
Remember Kael'thas! Remember the Sunwell!
Pretty sure they say "Quel'thalas" and not "Kael'thas" :thinking:
@@FireSignd Yes, but we are remembering to our beloved prince and saviour now.
Uhhh....that wasnt the alliance though? Yeah, Garrithos was an asshole....but the whole Sunwell thing is Arthas. And all the shit they did after getting to Illidan is there own fault.
Everyone should be like kael'thas, how else are we going to destroy retail wow?
@@Fion355 it is Arthas thing but don't forget he was a member of the alliance , he go trained and raised there so the path he took was all alliance fault
You are going to make me play again with these videos man..
Remember when
hirumaredx made a video about how Sylvanas is a good warchief for the Horde? lol
I KNEW THERE WAS A REASON TO WHY THE EDITING FELT SO SIMILAIR!
flying buttress I love u and ur god damn videos with so many god damn bad jokes, puns and extra sassy notes! keep up the good work pal
yeah yeah I know it aint his channel, but still the man is a beast
And most popular horde excuse "but muh Taurajo"
Orcs are pure souls man, they didn't do ANYTHING wrong, it was the demon blood. Now ignore the expansion where we see an alternate Horde that never had the blood and still does the same shit.
Xathian or the expansions where Horde followed Garrosh... and then followed Sylvanas into the same exact fucken war for the same reason and didnt even questioned what they were doing till the very end.
Ignore the fact that the alliance went out of their way to prevent civilian casualties during the sack of Taurajo. and during that same expansion the horde razed southshore to the ground (killing or enslaving every alliance individual they could find, regardless of if they were civilians) and they sacked Silverwind refuge, Also intentionally killing civilians. Yet once again, the horde tries taking the moral high ground and saying we're the bad guys.
That thing was a huge fail on the Alliance side. We thought that we were being all nice, sparing the citizens, but instead we accidentally sent them into Quillboar territory where they all died.
Doesn't matter, horde hates us for sparing their citizens anyway
I think you forgot that during dazar'alor raid, before facing king rastakan, alliance and horde players get different dialogues.
I wouldn't say Dailin Proudmoore attacked the Horde without provocation (or at the very least, not without reason). He fought them in the second war, lost a portion of his fleet and his son to their Dragon riders. What he knew the Horde to be was savage Aliens from another world invading them to kill them all.
Basically, for him to see them establishing a new foothold without attacking the Horde, would be the same for us players to see the Burning Legion establishing a new foothold on the broken shore and just accept them as new residents to Azeroth.
As to Jaina defending them, that was all done very hastily and he might have thought he deceived or even mind controlled. After all we saw a lot of mortal palling up with legion or worshiping them , that dosent mean that Legion is to be trusted or welcomed.
The whole reason Thrall led the Horde to Kalimdor was to avoid further conflict with the Alliance. The endgame for Daelin was the complete genocide of all Horde races. Every last man, woman, and child. He proved that when he massacred the inhabitants of Razor Hill during the initial assault on Durotar.
He became the very evil he thought he was fighting. Even Anduin acknowledged Daelin was wrong.
@@Ultimaton100 It's not always black and white, when it comes to whats right or wrong. After witnessing the Horde putting the entire southern continent in ruin and almost managing to do the same with Lordaeron, can you really blame him for not giving them the benefit of the doubt? he acted upon what he knew the Horde to be. he knew of their warlocks and suspected they used Jaina against him, therefore he didn't listen to her either.
And the fact that the Horde decided to kill him, instead of showing their ability to show mercy and send him and the surviving men of his army back to Kul'Tiras, only confirmed to him he was right.
I wouldn't even say he became evil either. He simple fought and killed the Horde to prevent them to grow strong again to the point they could threaten his people and those of Lordaeron, which is what any good leader would do for his people and allies.
Mr Raptor So you’re saying it’s okay to kill children because of what their parents or grandparents did? Genocide is *always* a black and white issue. It’s never excusable under any circumstances.
Also, Daelin refused to surrender and he died in battle. At not point did he give the Horde opportunity to show him mercy, and he didn’t deserve it anyway. Again, he literally butchered children. You’re holding the Horde to higher standards than you’re holding him to. Why show mercy to someone who isn’t showing you or your people any? The Horde’s warriors were obligated to end his life to protect their loved ones.
Lastly, Daelin didn’t fight the Horde to try to prevent them from growing strong again. He would have taken prisoners if that were his goal. But he didn’t. He fought to exterminate them. He didn’t fight for his people or his allies, just his own selfish ambitions. He acted out of hatred and bloodlust, nothing more.
@@Ultimaton100 I'm not debating if what he did was right or wrong. It was clearly wrong, but he didn't know better and considering what the Horde did, I don't blame him for not believing the Horde had become better. He viewed the Horde as we viewed the Burning Legion. Something that had to be exterminated to secure our own world. We as players would have killed demon children too, believing them to be born evil.
You should try and look at it for Daelin's perspective and you could understand his reasons. It won't justify it, but you'll see the reason behind it.
It's a good skill to have, to analyses a situation from different perspectives and not be biased just because you like one side over the other.
Jaina and Arthas the Machine both killing the bloodelfs, nice! If she wasnt so hard to get, they could have done that together in WOTLK.
lol oh goodness
😂😂😂
Still waiting on the feature film that'll be the horde side of this vid
He will never do that - otherwise Alliance video will look simply laughable and positively innocent compared to gruesom shit horde gets to do. Even if you ignore All the “small mischiefs” like villages burned or people slaughtered and mutilated or prisoners experimented on, you have genocides and mass slaughters that make Taurajo or Stonespire look like a bar fight.
Great video, and I’d forgotten about this. I would love to know what your background music is! Superb choice!
Didnt the Alliance also force neutral pandaren citizens to help them build an airbase? I remember a quest as the Horde about that
@Goku Black didnt “forced”. They signed up a contract to work for the Alliance in exchange for supplies but then Alliance found out that pandaren have no working ethics whatsoever and constantly take naps at work, leave when they feel like it and dont understand what “quick work” is. Basically that plus Sha stoking paranoia in the commander led to her ordering pandaren to be forced to comply to the work quotas. Meanwhile horde just enslaved local pandaren, but as “motivation” used their kids who were held hostage.
@@MrVlad12340 Basically they should have left the panda's alone.
The questlines in the Jade Forest are kind of a wash, because both factions have very similar storylines just at different points (North for Horde, South for Alliance) of the zone and allying with a different race. Both leaders (Nazgrim and I think Rell Nightwind) have a failure in battle, get half-possessed by Sha, get purified by Taran Zhu, free some native Pandaren who were strong armed into helping the opposing faction build a base, defeat an enemy leader who was fully taken over by the Sha, recruit the monkeys/fish, then head towards the battle of the Serpent's Heart. So bringing up any of this doesn't help or hurt the 'Alliance bad' narrative of the video.
Definitely looking forward to the triple length Horde Equivalent.
Make it quadruple length.
the goblins in Silithis were independant contractors, they knew the risks.
Is that a Clerks reference? Bravo
Ok Ik I'm late but for Dazzar Alor the Zandalari had actually already attacked Kul Tiras during the Alliance war campaign.
Nice video.
"All is fair in Love and Warcraft"
I can't wait for the horde version of this. Two or three 1 hour long videos should cover most of it.
That's just an entire Horde history lol.
When I saw "Alliance Bad" in the thumbnail I thought this was a pvp video :D
Oh please, alliance wins all the pvp. I say this as a horde player.
Donald lisberg they were winning even more before Blizz nerfed humans because Horde whined for years.
@@thedon9247 they are winning cause you aren't playing rated trust me... Oh wait there is no alliance in rated it's always Horde vs Horde... Yeah maybe you are right
pierre persson have you ever looked at the forums? “Hooman racial is SOO OP PLZ NERF” was a staple in any Whorde PvP thread.
@@MrVlad12340 But it WAS OP. Even my veteran wow player friend who played all the races and classes back in wotlk, cata days said that people even agreed to not use it in pvp and it was really dishonorable if you did.
"The Alliance produced Arthas" sounds as stupid as "Well Hitler was also a man"
Extremely small and nitpicky compared to the horde goes to show who are the bad guys.
On point one there’s a noticeable difference. One is Troops moving into their own zone; yeah the Kirin tor helped out but it wasn’t using the city in order to break in anywhere. Jaina 100% overreacted but the garrosh loyalists I’d still say abused it
Yes, excuse murdering shopkeepers
CamTheKitty horde never had a gripe with that. Only fair if they get the same treatment in turn.
@@MrVlad12340 Not in a neutral city. Keep defending the monster that is Jaina though
@@OhNoTheFace "monster" - kills dozen blood elfs and imprisons the rest. "Muh Waifuh Slyvanas" - genocides entire nation, destroyed Gilneas, keeps doing shit so evil that it makes dreadlord clap approvingly and yet still loved by her fans. Hmmm...
@@MrVlad12340 She also helped murder her own father to be fair, and directly led to countless alliance members dying by helping horde numerous times. Shes not exactly a good person. Probably done some other shit that slips the mind, I once researched quite a bit on her and shes done a lot of questionable shit, but its been a good few years.
Months late, but we'll just ignore the alliance enslaving pandaran children in the opening quest line for MoP.
Because 1) Sha corruption caused that. 2) Horde did the same in the same zone but also tried to feed those panda-kids to demons.
@@MrVlad12340 1. Sha corruption had nothing to do with that. Literally happening before the Sha even show up. 2. What does the horde have anything to do with this? It's a video about the fucked up things that Alliance did. Enslaving pandaren children is fucked up, I don't see what the "horde doing it to" means?
@@Retguard it was literally explained that Sha corruption caused Alliance officer to act like this. She became “infected” with Sha shortly after landing and it progressed all the way until it took over her entirely and we fight her in that state.
Little more context on #1. The bell wasn't even moved through the city, they just used Dalaran's teleportation network. I seem to recall the Alliance doing exactly the same thing to get the bell into Darnassus, but I could be wrong.
Mostly its just Jaina pissed that she was betrayed (again..) by bloodelfs and therefor horde. And it was not that long after Theramore which broke her at the time. She only started to heal in BFA and is now trying AGAIN to bond with the horde. ...When do you think horde will betray alliance (and jaina) again?^^
@@Fion355 There was no "again", it was literally the fall out from Theramore. Probably the first thing she did as leader of the Kirin Tor, which lorewise should have never been a thing. If you watched the video it should be obvious that while the Horde is absolutely brutal in war it's the Alliance that keeps breaking their treaties. At least Horde leaders face consequences for their actions.
originalShorai she gave Sunreavers a pass after their initial betrayal that led to destruction of Theramore. And Horde broke its treaty when Garrosh attacked night elfs while if we will talk about later conflicts Horde broke their treaty again when they initiated conflict at Ashran in WoD which was a full scale military conflict. So “Genn is at fault” is bullshit, Horde spat on any treaties they had back in WoD pre-Legion.
@@MrVlad12340 Ok, so that made NO sense. The Sunreavers were never AT FAULT for those two events. A small group of conspirators were. Just like the small group that did the exact same thing for the Alliance. So saying that "she forgave them" is an excuse, not a fact.
A fact is that lorewise she should have never been made leader of the Kirin Tor on Rhonin's last wishes alone because they have a ruling council of Archmage's and she only post MoP has demonstrated that level of ability.
Another fact is that the random citizens and shopkeepers cut down in her xenophobic outrage definitely had nothing to do with either event.
As to Garrosh attacking Night Elves, and yadda-yadda, there was no treaty for him to break. Until the end of MoP when Garrosh was on the floor in chains there wasn't really even a ceasefire between the Horde and Alliance.
As for Ashran, there is a reason the Alliance never brings that up. Mainly because yet again, just like with the Divine Bell, they sought out a Weapon of Mass Destruction to use against the Horde despite their new treaty so the Horde had to take a defensive action. Varian knew that they had overstepped what should be acceptable by treaty, and that he'd do the same, never brought it up as a violation. The fact that it was also mostly a battle between The Explorers League and The Reliquary, not Alliance vs Horde, also plays into it.
originalShorai most of what you said is bullcrap. Alliance dosent bring it up because if they did then Blizz “ingenious plot” for Slutvanas would look even more retarded. And as we learn later far more then a few Sunreavers were in on what was going on but remained silent which kinda damns them all. Also, Jaina had to act because of Garrosh, otherwise she would have lost Theramore anyway, just to more conventional army takeover. What i am saying is that most of the crap that is happening in the world would have being avoided if Horde ceased their “ur so biggut and hypucretic” shit and learned to live as civilized, normal beings and not a bunch of warmongering maniacs jerking off to genocide.
it just amazes me nobody has made a similar but vastly better game than WoW
Jaina: It's too late, they've all helped Garrosh. This entire city must be purged of Blood Elves.
1un4cy but she couldn’t watch Arthas do this...
yeah I could never understand her purge, like bitch you couldnt accept arthas doing it when people were turning into literal zombies.
The alliance hates the Sin'dorei (not humans and draenei but few races), even sending Quel'thalas spies and a detachment of Sentinels long before the Sin'dorei joined the horde, once again Tyrande sending elves into the horde with the Nightborne. As well as Jaina acting as if she owned Dalaran when the Sin'dorei and Quel'dorei themselves as individuals and as a race had been in Dalaran much longer than she could ever live.
more so just the night elfs dislike the blood elves. The other members don't really care either way about them much.
Good stuff
Now do a horde version....and see how long that video will be 🤨
No need. Simply saying Horde is enough. The very definition of their faction is all we need.
3 fourth of the crap that WOW is.want to see the horde play war 3 cause that's the only depiction of the true horde.
Funnily enough Horde did more harm to others than Burning Legion or Old Gods ever did.
Yo, what's the addon that makes quest dialogue look like cutscenes?
i wanted to know too
It should be called Storyline
“Catch the wind” or something like that.
Oh, or that, mb
"Immersion" or something I think?
2 year old video but Id argue Alterac valley is an alliance bad moment.
Thanks!
>alliance produced Arthas
good one Hiru, and horde produced Nerzhul and Gul'Dan
Vorgsen and if not for Nerzhul Arthas wouldnt have become a Lich King.
Gul'Dan produced the Horde*
ni rak-bel Gul’Dan led the Horde, more like.
You forgot the Alterac Valley battle.
Alterac valley belonged to The Alliance before The Orcs showed up and claimed it for themselves.
@@prehistoricplayer1132 The Frostwolves was exiled to AV before the first war and lived there until the dwarven expedition came.
@@Rachenviel good point, I totally forgot about that.
@@prehistoricplayer1132 Well, AV was released like 14 years ago so it's not exactly a hot topic you talk about every day.
Rachenviel technically NO land on Azeroth belongs to the orcs. Its not their world.
Now make a list of all the horrible things that the Horde did.
Joe The Wanderer he cant - youtube cant upload videos that long.
Genn Greymane attacked Sylvanas Flagship due to her killing his son. He saw a chance to catch her and went for the attack. There was nothing more to it. Revenge for his son.