GH5s v. GH6 / is newer always better?
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
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0:00 Intro
1:33 Video Sharpness and Detail
4:07 Noise Performance
7:14 Dynamic Range
12:28 Color
13:34 High Frame Rate Quality
17:05 So who won?
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Love this video. Was great to get this details on these two 😊
It was fun to do! Can’t believe there wasn’t a detailed comparison before, not that I went into full detail but I did my best
The GH5S is a beast that still holds up today.
It really is!
Well said at the end, they are a great duo!
I use the gh6 handheld or for multiple aspect delivery. Here lately I’ve been using the gh6 with native mft oly lenses and I’m happy with the image. The gh5s is a solid tripod camera in my arsenal that I can use as a b cam to the gh6 or s1h. If I’m shooting events the gh6 is my a cam and gh5s is the tripod cam. If I’m filming interviews, gh6 is my bts Cam while the gh5s can be my b cam to the s1h. I love the ecosystem of using s and mft cameras. Panasonic crushes it without compromises for my work.
We hired someone to shoot video with a Red KOMODO-X 6K. I used my GH5s with V-log All-I. After grading both, I can tell you that there is less of a difference than you might think when using a log profile. You would really need to stare at both for more than 10 seconds to spot the Red Camera in a side-by-side comparison.
Nice video. Thank you for comparing. I love my GH6. To me the colors are the best I have seen in the LUMIX brand. Blessings!
Very interesting, thanks for the comparison! (praise algos)
For me it’s not a comparison of specs and data between them, but ergonomics, tweaking the screen, placement of buttons and configurations of menus etc. that makes the GH6 my type of camera.
(Got the GH6, the GH5 MkII and the G9).
It’s definitely not talked about a lot. How much panasonic has improved and it’s already great ergonomics, customizability and menus! If someone hasn’t upgraded since the GH5 all those little upgrades really make a big difference!
How does the S5 II / G9 II body compare in terms of ergonomics?
@@Democratiser hmm good question maybe I’ll do something on that topic. Not sure I do like the S5ii but the front record button and grip and tilt and flip screen is really nice on the GH6 but it comes at the price of some bulk.
@@RhettThompsonFilm I wonder whether the ‘GH7’ will be in the S5 II body too… but with the GH6 screen. I think they should have put that screen on the G9II and S5IIX too.
Your presentation was insightful. We use a GH6 mostly for narrative filmmaking, e.g., web series & short films; we use 3 GH5S cameras and 2 GH5's for multicam shoots. We recently got the S5ii, which we use for fashion and social media content--photos and videos. However, we do not keep the cameras stuck in those cameras. Sometimes we may use any of the cameras for narrative, documentary, events or client work.
One camera for great AF performance is great but that’s all I need for stuff that’s impractical or impossible for a solo shooter (fashion stuff is a great example) but I still prefer the GH6 for so much stuff. The look of the footage in decent light is just so nice to me. GH5s is a great stabilized or static can certainly as well and gets used a lot for gimbal moving master shots etc
Been waiting for a comparison of these two! I kinda wish I never got rid of my GH5S. Great camera.
I only got my own this year! Although used it plenty in the past. Maybe you’ll pick another one up one of these days!
Thanks for the video Rhett. I always want to know what's happening in the Micro 4/3 world. I love my GH6. It is my main camera. I also have 2 GH5S's which I can color match with the Gh6 for multiple camera work. I wish I had 2 GH6's but will always keep 1 GH5S. I shot a thunderstorm one night at 8,000 ISO, in HLG and it was clean. So I cranked it up to 12,800. It had a little bit of noise in the blacks. Nothing NEAT couldn't handle. BRAW on the GH6 is awesome. Thanks again for your videos.
The HLG on the GH5s is witchcraft I tell you! I really gotta use it more, what kind of color work do you do on it? D
I’m so into VLOG these days I don’t use much else’s.
I use Color Management in Resolve and It basically grades the video. It doesn't take much tweaking from there. I also have a Technicolor-Cinestyle-LTR Lut I use at times and with pretty much all my drone footage that is shot in HDR. I'm not sure where I found this Lut. I'm 65 and it reminds me of the old movies.@@RhettThompsonFilm
The Three's A Company music track was epic! :)
GH6 is a pretty sweet rig. Sold my G9, broken G7, E-PL9 and E-M10 mk III, rebought a working G7, got an OM-5 and kept my Z-V1 for webcam/overhead shots. OM-1 is likely the next and I may get an E-M1 mk II for video still as well. Some great units in this range.
GH6 seems to be the best overall. Can't wait for G9 II or GH7 or whatever they're going to release
Loved the comparison - thank you for doing this - I was feeling some remorse after trading my GH5S for the GH6 - But your video has clarified some stuff for me.
I’m happy to help! I really thought this video needed to be made so I’m glad it helped! Maybe you can get another GH5s someday cuz it’s still great but I like my GH6 more
@@RhettThompsonFilm yes I agree the video is definitely something I was looking for - I may actually get a BGH1 as I think it has the same sensor as the GH5S, I’m enjoying the GH6 and S5iiX at the moment. I also have to state I love that the GH6 has an actual physical shutter in it, which does give it an edge over the GH5S in terms of photos, the video quality on the GH5S is amazing though, something realised after I sold it hehe.
I have both and I love both! They’re a “Great Duo”
Same! If one can’t do it, the other probably can!
I've always found the GH5s performance at 6400 or 12800 to be an amazing asset when filming at night. The two cameras compliment each other perfectly. You can also use the GH5s as a night vision camera at 200 000 ISO just to pear into the blackness to see what's there which is sometimes useful or interesting.
GH5S is 5 years old. If Panasonic makes a new GH6S in 2024. I am sure the low light capability will be even better.
I really wonder if they ever will
@@RhettThompsonFilm To have this good low light performance for m4/3 in 2018 is insane.
GH7 is out not. And it's killing it
Yes, have both also and use it quite the same way🙏
They’re quite the combo!
Hi Rhett, on the GH5S did you set in V-Log profile - Noise reduction to minimum Value for the test ? (-5 , default is 0)
If you suspect there is still some Noise Reduction applied one way to find out is to compare the RAW or ProRes outputs.
Also what one may perceive as noise could be an extra fine detail and therefore I would also compare the images when applying optimal amount of NR & sharpening in post (or even try to upscale to 8K)
Yup! 0 on the GH6 and -5 on the GH5s. There’s still NR despite this but it looks fine it just is artificially boosting especially the high ISOs like 6400+. I don’t have any raw capabilities so I wasn’t able to test that
Thanks for the video. Personally, I find I can use the GH5s hand-held for documentary work with no problems, especially with Panasonic Leica lenses. But I've been practising with unstabilised cameras for 30 years...
I have the GH5 M2 and GH5S and very happy. It will be a couple of years at least before used prices of the GH6 will make that an affordable enough option for me. Meanwhile, the GH5 series are still able to hold their own along side the latest and greatest.
Well, the GH6 price has fallen USD 1000 in 12 months.
Nice comparison. I still prefer my GH-6 over my GH-5S simply due to the color. Using both the 10-25mm and 25-50mm F/1.7 Pany Leica Lenses makes for some amazing photos and videos. I also own a 24mm T2.2 1.8x and 40mm T2 1.8x Vazen Anamorphic Lenses which are amazing when shot in 5.8K Open-Gate.
@Rhett Thompson - Which Lens was used for the Sharpness test at which aperture? I have both GH5s and GH6 and I find myself that the image sharpness of the Lens used and also where exactly you set the focus at accounts for larger margin then the difference between GH6 and GH5S itself. I don't know the answer myself but your video is great inspiration for me doing same tests.
You have RAW capabilities if you take burst shot of RAW stills - and stitch them into a video - that way for sure no NR or Sharpening would be applied. What do you think? Not sure if it makes sense to test like this as compression codec applied does make a difference. Interesting would be even doing exactly same shot and comparing GH6 internal ProRes 1.9GBit vs 300mbit H265 I think some NR could be result of the encoder itself.
I believe I used the Leica 10-25 in the middle of the range at 2.8 or 4
I didn’t think about testing raw in that way, but I thought the difference between 10 megapixels and 25 megapixels would be two great.
It also has a process to just move those unprocessed files, and at the end of the day, shooting in the best internal VLOG profile seemed I want more applicable for the average shooter, so that’s the method I went with.
Color on GH6 is flawless indeed.
You should really try BRAW on the GH6. Will almost give you another stop in highlights on top of DR Boost at ISO2000 even which basically means, it performs better than the S1H in that regard :D
The oversharpening is also gone then.
Well it’s a sorta “fake” extra stop but still incredibly handy! I really should get into that though. What is your setup with that?
The native ISO for the GH5s is 800 and 5000 in V-LOG- it's 400 and 2500 for all other profiles. You'll see much better results and lower noise with those! 😎
I disagree ❤️
It's directly from Panasonic and in the manual- I didn't know the first 2 years I had my GH5s until I reached out to them and they informed me. @@RhettThompsonFilm
@@jej3films I also reached out to them! They told me 400 and 2500. I legit think they just messed up their own manual.
Do I not talk about the native ISOs in this video?
0db on the GH5s is 400 and 2500 which is a strong hint. The noise is also cleaner and less “reduced”
Good comparison! GH6 is a monster full of capabilities.
True! And I feel like the few things the GH6 isn’t perfect at the GH5s can do!
I own both..love them
I think both is best!
Always nice to see comparisons against the GH5s.
For next time, you may want to use a different ISO setting than "all the way down", as the actual base ISO for the GH5s in V-log is 800 (without v-log, 400). Settings lower than the base ISO can cause some odd artifacts, like uneven luma or chroma shifts.
I disagree with the 800iso mentality for the GH5s personally but I’ve seen arguments for both!
@@RhettThompsonFilm It's not a mentality; it's technical specs provided by them. YT doesn't allow pasting URLs in comments, but if you find the tech specs on panasonic's website, they read: "[V-LogL] Native ISO: 800, 5000/Auto: Auto / 320-25600 (VFR: Auto / 320-25600)/Low: Auto / 320-1600 (VFR: Auto / 320-2500)/High: Auto / 1600-25600 (VFR: Auto / 2500-25600)"
@@JimLeonard I think Panasonic is wrong about their own product if I’m gonna be real haha I know it’s controversial. I’ve had Panasonic say it’s 400/2500 and 800/3200.
I’ve actually got a video on the topic on my channel! It’s not 100% but I’ve at least convinced myself.
@@RhettThompsonFilm Panasonic's specs say 800/5000 for v-log, 400/2500 for all others including HLG. So that's why you've seen two different specs, because they're both true.
Looking forward to more m43 content. I really hope we get a phase-detect autofocus camera from Panasonic, otherwise I have a lot of glass to sell...
when you are over exposing for the tests, is the picture clipping or are you just over exposing without clipping?
I guess I’m not sure about the difference. Yea they are clipping and I’m trying my best to correct it back
Thanks for the comparison. Could you have turned off the noise reduction in both cameras and done a test? It might say more about the noise reduction then the sensor if noise reduction is left on. Also, I find the GH6 auto focus quite decent (it ain’t my Sony or Olympus, but it ain’t bad), how in comparison is the GH5s?
The NR was turned all the way down but I don’t think outside of RAW you can turn it off entirely.
The GH6 is night and day when it comes to autofocus!
Raw comparison would be interesting. Thanks for replying
GH5S was a beast. I loved that camera for a couple years before the a7SIII stole my heart
I hear those Sonys are beastly! I can’t leave Panny behind tho
@@RhettThompsonFilmAnd there's less reason to now with the S5II/X 👍
I have both. If you have a GH6 and want to buy a B camera. GH5S is the better choice for B camera. If you shoot Vlog, you can easily match them together. And I love GH5S for indoor shoots. It looks like full frame avantage for me.
Do you think 2 GH6s would be best or do you think GH6 and GH5s?
@@RhettThompsonFilm It is a good question :) I think that if you use always 2 cameras for shooting. Two GH6 cameras are better choice. But, If you use generally one camera and shot different places and times (daylight/night), one GH6 and one GH5S are better maybe. For me, I use Lumix cameras for documentary. I select them for their unlimited recording features. And sometimes I have to shoot night or indoor places. There for GH6 and GH5S combination is best choice then two GH6.
Also, compared GH6 to $300 G7 camera, I found exactly same performance in ISOs and color profiles. Maybe 2000iso with DRB on slightly better on GH6 but you need to overexpose the camera every time and shadows will always be noisy
Well that’s just not true. I can’t argue your findings and I’m not sure what metrics you’re using I guess noise?
There’s just no way the GH6 is comparable to the G7 and I’m not sure what the point of bringing it up is. The GH6 isn’t the cleanest camera out of the box but the quality of the noise is nice and natural. I’d say GH4 and G7 are max 800-1600, GH5 maybe like 1250-2000, GH5s 6400 and GH6 3200-4000 are the max I would use on them.
The shadows are noisy on every camera though so I’m not sure how you’re getting the result or what your metrics are.
If it works for you great though! Personally the G7 was a bit too limited even in the early 2010s for me so I went with the GH4
@@RhettThompsonFilm I have both cameras plus Zcam S6 and GH6 is just frustrating. Just for curiosity, I've compared G7 and GH6 and I was shocked by GH6 performance. At first, 4K on G7 is sharper (!), the second, ISO performance up to 2000 are identical. Sad but true. You can check CineD review where DR of GH6 in natural profiles was worse than GH5.
Yes, you can turn on the DRB but grading capabilities will be limited because of lack of color information
Also you just can check the photo performance of GH6 - the noise is visible even at 100 iso
Good music:)
I'm still on my GH5S... I like the GH6 resolution... But that GH5S image is so underrated. I'm almost finish my thriller series and the GH5S hasn't quit on me. The GH6 PRORES internal is nice but having to change memory cards is a naw.
The GH6 can do 5.7k60 10 bit. I’m not upgrading from GH5s until the GH7 with PDAF.
You forgot to mention crazy color noise after any serious grading in GH6
Seen that once or twice but not often. I guess it depends on how stylish or how far you wanna push that orange and teal
@@RhettThompsonFilm I've filmed dark setting in 2000-2500 iso and picture was not useable for any professional grading :(
Chroma noise just everywhere
If the GH5 can record at, short of 5K (4992 x 3744), am sure the GH5s can do it too
I think the GH5s had slightly too low of a resolution but I can’t remember the actual numbers right now
@@RhettThompsonFilm Yes, I thought about it after, so you may be right.
I had the gh5s and honestly I enjoyed my g9 more than the gh5s ill say the gh5s had a sharper more clear image the g9 had character though
gh6 its a hybrid camera, gh5s is a cinema camera thats the reality
Not sure the GH5s qualities for the cinema camera marker much more than the GH6 but I see where you are coming from!
oh no...do I need a GH6? No...do I want one...yes
Hahah they aren’t that expensive! Throw out that Sony and switch to all GH6
@@RhettThompsonFilm once this contract is done I’ll be leaving it. But only if Panasonic has something more along the EVA1 or Varicam line. Otherwise…I’ll probably go FX6 or Canon C series.
@@AlpacoFilms just apply a VLOG to CLOG LUT and say it was a C70
@@RhettThompsonFilm wait doesn’t it shoot raw? Internally?
@@AlpacoFilms GH6? No not internally. Just non-raw prores.
The GH5S all day long....and no streaking.
It’s a good camera!
So you said the cameras are going to be hard to match🤦🏽♂️ wrong it’s called coloring correcting
I guess you’re just better than me! I guess I should have said you’ll have to work to match them and they won’t match automatically, color, dynamic range, contrast, and even exposure is different between the cameras so it’s not automatic.
NO.