Citizen of the EU [kind of, it's complicated] You want to join the EU or you don't want to join the EU - either way, I wish you all the best for the future. You live in a tough part of the world.
Why would enyone want to join to EU or NATO? Esspecially Serbia, after what Serbi went through thanks to NATO and EU. Both construcs are falling appart, BRICS is a future for Serbia.
Two hours ago, the Serbian envoy to Russia, Aleksandar Vulin, met with the President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin, from where the Serbian President received an invitation to come to the BRICS summit, which is taking place in Kazan this year.
Even if he goes,he will go there as a western chosen guy who will collect info for the people who had him in their pocket long time ago. Putin ofc he ain't stupid,he will find his way of using this traitor of a president. It's not about his personal relation with Serbia,I think Putinn cherishes our friendship very much,but as he is the representative of the hole Russian country,he has to protect his interests.
France airforce bought 42 (forty two - ili cetres dva) of those, including parts/equipment/maintenance/training/etc - for 5.5B Euros. In February this year. Do the math.
@@CaneOdPchinje Helllloooooo! What planet do you live on? OF COURSE when France itself buys planes it will get special deals because the planes are made in France!!!
Vozim VW, nosim AjFon, sljakam na crno u nemackoj, uzeo sam hrvatsko drzavljanstvo jer su moji poreklom iz krajne ali smatram da treba da se prikljucimo BRICSu Ako ovo nije definicija sizofrenije onda stvarno jbg...
@@Baja11111 Sa velikim naporom pokusavam da shvatim tvoj nacin razmisljanja. Kada su ovakve teme u pitanju, uvek se pojavi "osoba" sa takvim "stavovima", sa nekom samouverenoscu koja je karakteristicna za ljude tog profila, i onda nam iznese varijaciju ovoga sto si ti napisao. Mislim da ide od prilike ovako, ako koristim neku “stvar” proizvedenu u odredjenoj zemlji, automatski trebam da podrzavam I politiku te zemlje? Naprimer koristim cetkicu za zube proizvedenu u Izraelu I onda ne smem da kritikujem genocid u Gazi? U suprotnom, ne znam, ispadam licemer? Pomozi mi da razumem taj misaoni pravac :) Dakle, ako naprimer zelim da kritikujem zemlju X, treba pre toga da idem po kuci, i da gledam da nesto nije slucajno proizvedeno tamo, ako kojim slucajem jeste, onda to treba da unistim ritualno, da bi moj stav imao tezinu? :))) Ali tvoj komentar ne samo sto je izvorno retardiran, nego dolazi i u lose vreme. Sve se danas proizvodi u Kini, cak i taj iphone. Ako je neko vec toliko glup da se odluci za iphone, pored toliko kvalitetnijih i jeftinijih alternativa. Ali poraz na budale odredjeni ljudi moraju da plate....
They wouldn't let us join anyway... It's not about Serbians achieveing this this or that on level of democracy in our country,it's about the western fobia.. If you imagine russofobia as a very large river,serbofobia in the west is like a small river that goes in to a bigger one. West loves sharpening their **ck on countries and nations like highschool bullies,and that's exactly what will happen after Russians achieve victory in Ukraine. West will start disturbing this region again,on the account of restoring worlds belief in them as N1 world military and political force.
Article title says that deal is shifting Serbia away from its dependence on Russian arms. And that's good because being dependent on anyone is not a good option.
I have a proposition: form a Union with Hungary, Slovakia, Poland, Czech Republic and maybe even Austria based on common family values and tradition and work closely with Bricks countries. Work for whats in our best interest and for our wellbeing and build strong economy and start living like normal human beings and travel half of the world without borders. Just my 2 cents...
Nope. Serbia is NOT entering the EU. Nor it ever will. Not that Serbia doesn't want it - EU doesn't want Serbia in it. So, Serbia will NEVER be a full-on member of EU. We can talk about that in detail - but not in this thread. Serbia paid 2-3 times MORE than it should for these planes. These are good planes - but they're not even close to SU-57, SU-34 or SU-35... And SU-s are 2 to 3 times CHEAPER than the base Rafale price ($35-50M vs Rafale at $105M). And then - there's logistics, spare parts, maintenance, training - ALL 2 to 3 times cheaper than from NATO/France. So, Serbia WAY overpaid these planes. Is it a part of a bribe to Macron (that would be uber stupid) or France (that would be shameful) or, most likely, most of that "gravy" went to "Serbian politicians" (read garbage humans). We'll never know, I suppose. However, just for reference: French army/airforce bought 42 (forty two) Rafales for E5.5B... Serbia bought 12 (twelve) Rafales for E3B... Do the math. 2 to 3 (two to three) times OVERPAID. About E2B. Where that money went and why is anyone's guess... But it is something Serbian people/citizens should look at. In detail. P.S. Now - it is interesting that "all is quiet in Serbia" about this robbery. It is understandable (not really, but ok) that the ruling party members are keeping their pie-holes shut about this... It is also understandable that the "media" (read "paid govt garbage liars") is totally silent about this... BUT The Serbian "opposition" the self-proclaimed as "enlightened", "democratic", "honest" and "fair", "never farting or taking a poop saints" and so on and so on... are also COMPLETELY QUIET ABOUT IT. Do they have a cut/piece of this? What is their "loot"? Why are they so silent!? Eh... The current "rulers" and the current "opposition" came from the same pot. Cooked the same way. All deeply corrupt and deeply inhuman (at least in the civilized sense of the word). Looters, Robbers, Criminals... ALL OF THEM. GARBAGE.
Well, we are definitely NOT shifting from Russia. You see, problem is, we can't now buy Russian airplanes, how can they come now, not to mention threats of sanctions and we are totally surrounded by NATO and EU puppet states, (Hungary can't help either because they are also land locked). U.S. donated Croatia HIMRAS, and all our neighbours they buy weapons en masse. Of course, we have our own military industry, but they can't produce everything we need especially such sophisticated weapons. So i think France, because our historical ties is good choice for now, even price are really over the roof.. 
Totally agree, also EU is our biggest trade partner so we must reciprocate some. That's just how it is. Some fools believe we should only buy Russian or Chinese planes, yeah good luck. What about passenger planes? Airbus? If we buy Rafaele we can negotiate better when we buy passenger Airbus planes. I'm so tired of people loading all their emotional outbursts on political issues, when it's both a short term and long term trade.
Of course. Serbia didn't overpay... Only 2-3 times overpaid. Not much really. About $2B... What's that for Serbia? Pocket change... FYI - France airforce bought 42 Rafales (forty two) in February this year for about 5B euros... Do the math.
Why everyone think that buying airplane is distancing from Russia? Serbian people buy German cars ,end we do not like Germany more than any other nations. Serbian people is deeply connected with Russian people and no Western country is more important than historical ties with Russia .
Because they're all parroting what they've heard from each other. Five minute research and they'd figure out that Yugoslavia, and it's successor, Serbia, were both doing deals with basically everyone when it comes to defense, and on top of that, they did manufacture their own military equipment, some of were original designs, and some were licensed.
@@RelocationSerbiathey are buying Germany shity car because governent..german cars now are garbage.germany send garbage food, cars to balkan..look the Serbian street..after ww3 won't be german garbage in balkan
We should definitely stay on our own. When the world goes to a big war we will eat burek and drink rakija.
Citizen of the EU [kind of, it's complicated] You want to join the EU or you don't want to join the EU - either way, I wish you all the best for the future. You live in a tough part of the world.
Serbia on its own❤
I hope Serbia will never take sides in the upcoming WW3. It's much better to be a neutral country
Why would enyone want to join to EU or NATO? Esspecially Serbia, after what Serbi went through thanks to NATO and EU. Both construcs are falling appart, BRICS is a future for Serbia.
Why buy old obsolete french jets,when you can have SU57's !!!!!!!!!!!!
Two hours ago, the Serbian envoy to Russia, Aleksandar Vulin, met with the President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin, from where the Serbian President received an invitation to come to the BRICS summit, which is taking place in Kazan this year.
Even if he goes,he will go there as a western chosen guy who will collect info for the people who had him in their pocket long time ago.
Putin ofc he ain't stupid,he will find his way of using this traitor of a president.
It's not about his personal relation with Serbia,I think Putinn cherishes our friendship very much,but as he is the representative of the hole Russian country,he has to protect his interests.
We don’t want Eu !! Absolutely nooooo!!
Stick with Russia, the EU is not for you.
Serbia joining EU is just one more EU wishful thinking.
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3 billion is not just planes. Its pilot training all equipment, maintenance and all weapons its all included package
really...that makes it cheap then
France airforce bought 42 (forty two - ili cetres dva) of those, including parts/equipment/maintenance/training/etc - for 5.5B Euros. In February this year.
Do the math.
@@CaneOdPchinje Helllloooooo! What planet do you live on? OF COURSE when France itself buys planes it will get special deals because the planes are made in France!!!
Serbs say NO to EU 👎
NO to NATO 👎
YES to BRICS 👍
❤ from Serbija 🇷🇸
Vozim VW, nosim AjFon, sljakam na crno u nemackoj, uzeo sam hrvatsko drzavljanstvo jer su moji poreklom iz krajne ali smatram da treba da se prikljucimo BRICSu
Ako ovo nije definicija sizofrenije onda stvarno jbg...
If Serbia was located in Africa or South America, then I'd say maybe to BRICS, so yeah, speak for yourself
Yes🎉🎉
@@Baja11111 Sa velikim naporom pokusavam da shvatim tvoj nacin razmisljanja. Kada su ovakve teme u pitanju, uvek se pojavi "osoba" sa takvim "stavovima", sa nekom samouverenoscu koja je karakteristicna za ljude tog profila, i onda nam iznese varijaciju ovoga sto si ti napisao.
Mislim da ide od prilike ovako, ako koristim neku “stvar” proizvedenu u odredjenoj zemlji, automatski trebam da podrzavam I politiku te zemlje?
Naprimer koristim cetkicu za zube proizvedenu u Izraelu I onda ne smem da kritikujem genocid u Gazi? U suprotnom, ne znam, ispadam licemer? Pomozi mi da razumem taj misaoni pravac :)
Dakle, ako naprimer zelim da kritikujem zemlju X, treba pre toga da idem po kuci, i da gledam da nesto nije slucajno proizvedeno tamo, ako kojim slucajem jeste, onda to treba da unistim ritualno, da bi moj stav imao tezinu? :)))
Ali tvoj komentar ne samo sto je izvorno retardiran, nego dolazi i u lose vreme. Sve se danas proizvodi u Kini, cak i taj iphone. Ako je neko vec toliko glup da se odluci za iphone, pored toliko kvalitetnijih i jeftinijih alternativa. Ali poraz na budale odredjeni ljudi moraju da plate....
@@Baja11111 Jel definicija šizofrenije da se švaba greje na ruski gas?
give us Kosovo back, then we can talk about EU. Simple as that.
Serbia in EU? Not going to happend...Croatia is going to block it forever...
Thank you Croatia
Hvala im na tome, da Bog da nikad ne udjemo u tu satanisticku grupaciju koja svakako polako propada......
Yes. And thx Croatia for that.
They wouldn't let us join anyway...
It's not about Serbians achieveing this this or that on level of democracy in our country,it's about the western fobia..
If you imagine russofobia as a very large river,serbofobia in the west is like a small river that goes in to a bigger one.
West loves sharpening their **ck on countries and nations like highschool bullies,and that's exactly what will happen after Russians achieve victory in Ukraine.
West will start disturbing this region again,on the account of restoring worlds belief in them as N1 world military and political force.
EU is not for slavs.
Article title says that deal is shifting Serbia away from its dependence on Russian arms. And that's good because being dependent on anyone is not a good option.
simpleton
I have a proposition: form a Union with Hungary, Slovakia, Poland, Czech Republic and maybe even Austria based on common family values and tradition and work closely with Bricks countries. Work for whats in our best interest and for our wellbeing and build strong economy and start living like normal human beings and travel half of the world without borders. Just my 2 cents...
Good idea Dear Ljuba, Hello girls, have a nice week end!
Nope. Serbia is NOT entering the EU. Nor it ever will.
Not that Serbia doesn't want it - EU doesn't want Serbia in it.
So, Serbia will NEVER be a full-on member of EU.
We can talk about that in detail - but not in this thread.
Serbia paid 2-3 times MORE than it should for these planes. These are good planes - but they're not even close to SU-57, SU-34 or SU-35... And SU-s are 2 to 3 times CHEAPER than the base Rafale price ($35-50M vs Rafale at $105M).
And then - there's logistics, spare parts, maintenance, training - ALL 2 to 3 times cheaper than from NATO/France.
So, Serbia WAY overpaid these planes. Is it a part of a bribe to Macron (that would be uber stupid) or France (that would be shameful) or, most likely, most of that "gravy" went to "Serbian politicians" (read garbage humans).
We'll never know, I suppose.
However, just for reference: French army/airforce bought 42 (forty two) Rafales for E5.5B... Serbia bought 12 (twelve) Rafales for E3B... Do the math.
2 to 3 (two to three) times OVERPAID. About E2B.
Where that money went and why is anyone's guess... But it is something Serbian people/citizens should look at. In detail.
P.S.
Now - it is interesting that "all is quiet in Serbia" about this robbery.
It is understandable (not really, but ok) that the ruling party members are keeping their pie-holes shut about this... It is also understandable that the "media" (read "paid govt garbage liars") is totally silent about this...
BUT
The Serbian "opposition" the self-proclaimed as "enlightened", "democratic", "honest" and "fair", "never farting or taking a poop saints" and so on and so on... are also COMPLETELY QUIET ABOUT IT.
Do they have a cut/piece of this? What is their "loot"? Why are they so silent!?
Eh...
The current "rulers" and the current "opposition" came from the same pot. Cooked the same way. All deeply corrupt and deeply inhuman (at least in the civilized sense of the word). Looters, Robbers, Criminals... ALL OF THEM.
GARBAGE.
Don't join. From Romania.
Well, we are definitely NOT shifting from Russia. You see, problem is, we can't now buy Russian airplanes, how can they come now, not to mention threats of sanctions and we are totally surrounded by NATO and EU puppet states, (Hungary can't help either because they are also land locked). U.S. donated Croatia HIMRAS, and all our neighbours they buy weapons en masse. Of course, we have our own military industry, but they can't produce everything we need especially such sophisticated weapons. So i think France, because our historical ties is good choice for now, even price are really over the roof..

I agree with you
Totally agree, also EU is our biggest trade partner so we must reciprocate some. That's just how it is. Some fools believe we should only buy Russian or Chinese planes, yeah good luck. What about passenger planes? Airbus? If we buy Rafaele we can negotiate better when we buy passenger Airbus planes. I'm so tired of people loading all their emotional outbursts on political issues, when it's both a short term and long term trade.
Serbia did not overpay for the planes, but Vučić bought into the price. They do this non-stop
WTF does that mean
Of course. Serbia didn't overpay... Only 2-3 times overpaid. Not much really. About $2B... What's that for Serbia? Pocket change...
FYI - France airforce bought 42 Rafales (forty two) in February this year for about 5B euros...
Do the math.
@@CaneOdPchinje Did you even finish kindergarten?
Why everyone think that buying airplane is distancing from Russia? Serbian people buy German cars ,end we do not like Germany more than any other nations. Serbian people is deeply connected with Russian people and no Western country is more important than historical ties with Russia .
Good point!
Because they're all parroting what they've heard from each other.
Five minute research and they'd figure out that Yugoslavia, and it's successor, Serbia, were both doing deals with basically everyone when it comes to defense, and on top of that, they did manufacture their own military equipment,
some of were original designs, and some were licensed.
@@RelocationSerbiathey are buying Germany shity car because governent..german cars now are garbage.germany send garbage food, cars to balkan..look the Serbian street..after ww3 won't be german garbage in balkan
what is wrong with Germany? good standards of living?
I agree with. vucic is a smart operator