19" Tires for Surron - Part 1
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- This is part 1 of a 3 part series where we will go over the the popular sizes of tires installed on Surrons and Segway and Talaria. In this video we will cover the OEM size of 70/100-19 (2.75x19) and show you which tires are popular in the rear and which are favorites up front. Explain why you should be using different tires front and rear like ALL motorcycles do. Tire selection is the single most important part of your bike performance and you might be shocked at how huge of an upgrade a simple tire swap can provide. Not only are there huge gains in traction and performance, you will also reduce the chance of flat tires with these tire recommendations. From small bucks to big bucks we have a whole range of recommendations.
In Part 2 we will explore the ultimate performance setup 16/19.
In Part 3 we will explore the tall boy (or girl) setup 18/21.
References mentioned in the video:
- Tire Size and Weight Chart: chargedcycleworks.com/pages/s...
- Lap Times: chargedcycleworks.com/pages/s...
- Acceleration Tests: chargedcycleworks.com/pages/a...
- 19" Tires: chargedcycleworks.com/collect...
- 16" Tires: chargedcycleworks.com/collect...
- 18/21 Tires: chargedcycleworks.com/collect...
- Wheel Upgrades: chargedcycleworks.com/collect...
00:00 Start
00:20 Intro
01:33 CST Tire Weakness
02:50 Options for your stock rims
03:19 Rear Tires
04:59 Front Tire
06:17 Better Flat Protection & PSI
07:21 100/90-19 Tires on the Rear??
08:04 On & Off Road Tires - Авто та транспорт
The mitas look perfect for street use. Nice & light.
I like the slightly larger rear tire -
Thanks for posting!
Awsome info , you answered a lot of questions. I’m a new sur ron owner . And everything you said & I’ve thought about it makes sence .
Excellent video. Great info. Couldn’t have explained it better. Thx guys
Love the maxxcross IT for a rear 19” application, great durability, not too heavy, and great traction improvement.
Thanks for the feedback Drew!
Got a 16” wheel from Charged a while ago, paired with a Prickly Motorsports 35mm lift suspension linkage, and IT CHANGES THE BIKE. Honestly people, if you’re willing to spend the money, this makes a massive difference. You’re able to put so much more power to the ground (even on stock power), you’re more planted to the ground, and the range is basically the same despite having a WAY wider tire. Keep up the good work guys! Love the wheel you built me!
Thanks! We couldn’t agree more, part 2 of this series will talk about the massive benefits of the 16/19” setup. Glad you love your wheel.
I agree man i got 19 in the front and warp 18 in the back
@@Dojautlopez how’s the 19/18 setup?
You guys are very good great info when I get one
My Dunlop GEOMAX MX53 100/90-19 57m dirt bike tire makes my surron look like a beast. I love it. Also I literally cannot get stuck even in the winter from a stop, uphill, in powder snow higher than the height of my tires. It just sink down to the ground & the front stays on top & it just goes...everytime I do it I am laughing the whole time coz it's so unbelievably crazy that it actually wont get stuck. Only down side is in deep snow like that the battery drains quick.
Did you put it on front or the rear?
I find the 18x3.00 Shinko 241 the best overall tire for offroad and street use. Running it at around 12-15 PSI, its really soft and grips everything. Best overall tire. I use the stock front tire because it is lightweight and works well and never wears out. The shinko 18x3.00 tire is also designed for the rear of a bike and its soft and fat.
The 18x3.00 is exactly the same diameter as the front tire also so doesn't throw off anything with the suspension.
I plan on going 2.75x19" Dunlop MX53 in the front (Should fit fine with the KKE forks right?) and either Shinko 241 or 244 in the rear. I'm a bit confused as on your website the 244 is listed as a 30% off/70% on tire but in the video at 8:30 the opposite was stated? I'm assuming the website just has a typo and the 244 is indeed the slightly better offroad tire. Leaning towards the 244 if so since they weigh practically the same. Thank you!
I happened to Have the Rawrr mantis e bike which have 19!inch wheels also with a 1.85 rim on the rear and it has more than enough space on the sides of each tire with the swing arm that is on the bike. I wanted to see your opinion on the shenko 241 with the 90/00 19 , It could even fit a 100/00 -19 . But it comes in the 90/100 by 19 which is a great tire in NY where I ride but they come in 3.50 bead witdth do you feel it will be ok?? I watch all your videos you guys do a great job and are very informative. Thanks keep up with the great vids.
Washougal II for the rear is a poor choice over the millville II? It looks a bit wider and more aggressive tread. I do need something that can get me to the trails too, so I don't want something crazy soft. Thank you, amazing what you guys have done with the tire research.
For a rear tire you're looking for a tread pattern that resembles a paddle to scoop and give traction. The Millville has those center knobs that act a bit more like a paddle design than most front tires have (all of these tires are front tires). That's why it functions a bit better in the rear than others. If you don't ride a lot of soft terrain and want a large volume tire maybe look at the MX53, the Dunlops are larger volume than all the other tires, we love running them up front on our 16/19 bikes.
Hey guys, great video, will you be doing anything with the Talaria Sting? i have one with RSTs so half of my question is answered, thankyou, but im not sure about the rear, the swingarm is wider, but the chain clearance looks similar. Thankyou and keep the great vids coming.
Yes, our Talaria should arrive later this week. We'll immediately start fitting all parts and developing others.
@@ChargedCycleWorks Best news i had all day. thanks. I cant wait to see what you guys do. Will you ship wheels to Australia?
@@wheels.3239 We don't currently but we can do a custom order for you. Reach out via email: info@chargedcycleworks.com
Star cross 19 front star cross 16 rear . they are lite and fit .
We love the Starcross 5 on 21" it's a light weight champ in that size. In 16/19 if light weight is the goal we have many other options, check out all the tires we have weighed here: chargedcycleworks.com/pages/sur-ron-tire-upgrade-specs-and-weights
i just got Bridgestone M203 for the front on surron x stock wheel.Kenda K785 Millville II for the rear. The front M203 seem more stiff, what is the recommend tire pressure for these? I'm weight about 160 lbs. Thanks
I have a Talaria Sting and want to upgrade my rear tire with something a little wider and more aggressive than the stock tire. Stock is 80/100-19. I like the Kenda you mentioned in the video but would that be narrower than my stock rear tire?
The size is 70-100-19, but they provide better grip tbh than stock and are pretty knobby and nice.
Looking into getting the Kenda K760 Trakmaster for the REAR, As for the FRONT tires I can’t decide between the Dunlop MX33, Tusk T-35 or Tusk Recon.
MX33 is the king of soft terrain, and it's the largest volume (won't fit an RST). T35 is a great band-for-buck tire mostly for soft-int terrain. The Recon is a hybrid sticky, and it would be great for rocks, roots, hard-int terrain. :)
We need more cst oem replacements. I like the lightweight.
We sell OEM CST tires uber cheap on our website since we often have take-off tires when we are upgrading. If you want a better tire check out Mitas and M203 better traction and very minimal weight gain. You can see all the tire weights here: chargedcycleworks.com/pages/sur-ron-tire-upgrade-specs-and-weights
How much taller are the Shinko 241 2.75x19 than the stock CST tires? If I replaced the front & rear CST tires with the Shinko 241 would it noticeably raise the seat height on a Surron?
Thanks
less than 1/2", maybe closer to 1/4". They are noticeably larger tires but seat height is not affected a ton
I ride 90% dirt, 10% forest roads, all year long, in the Pacific Northwest. I REALLY need an upgrade tire that can handle wet roots, sticks, rocks, and mud! What do you think is best?!? THANK YOU
If you are going to stay with 19/19 try the Dunlop MX53 which is an intermediate terrain tire and larger than the OEM tires. Ideally you need to go to a 16" rear wheel for real traction, you just can't get enough traction out of a 70/100-19 tire on the rear. Or if you have power upgrades you can go up to 18/21. chargedcycleworks.com/products/dunlop-mx53-front-tire-70-100x19-for-sur-ron-or-segway-x260?variant=39381808611523
how much better of a choice would be a duro hf307 3.00 than a shinko 241 2.75 in the rear would it be noticeably taller or just wider ?
we don't have any of those in the shop, I think size is fine, weight is more however. It also might not fit in your forks due to the width. You would have to measure your fork clearance.
Great review! I ride mainly on the road. Are there any tires you would recommend. I’ve seen someone using Heidenau k34. But no review on the Tire. I’ve been looking for road tires for a few months and it’s really hard.
Go shinko 241
@@leetjohnson I found a German company called Heidenau that do a road tire. The model is K34. The only problem is nobody has reviewed them so I’m not sure whether to buy them or not. There is one other UA-camr that has them on his Sur-Ron (that’s how I found out about them) but he hasn’t done a review on them.
We always recommend the Shinko 241, we've never heard of the Heidenau K34, we'll have to see if these even exist in the USA. We carry Mitas from Italy and love them, very light weight and high performance tires. But they don't have any 19" good for street use that I've seen.
I live in LA and ride 90% road but I love the dirt bike look, I'm looking to having my Surron taller, what would be the best tire for my aesthetics shinko 244? or is there any other tire that looks dirt bike Nobby that'll last the roads, thanks in advance!
It's between the 241 and 244 for sure, not much else out there in the right size.
How much larger or “fatter” are the Millville and Trackmaster compared to the stock CST tire? Thanks!
Trackmaster is a fairly small tire, not much larger than CST. If you want the largest option go with Dunlop MX33 or MX53, they are significantly larger.
Subbed and Been watching your Vids for 2weeks. Love the mods and upgrades.
I bought my first Surron 2023 light bee road legal.
With the stock knobby tyres. Any advice what to look out for when riding on roads. Will it skid or slip out? Wet weather...
I will change to a different tyre later
Full transparency we rarely ride on the road, however we have ridden road occasionally on surron and MX bikes. Knobbies are pretty terrible on the road, you just don't have much of a contact patch and the knobs squirm making the traction "loose" feeling. Riding on wet pavement with knobbies can feel like ice! We usually recommend the Shinko 241 or 244 for people who do mixed riding they are two favorites for this. They will be significantly better on the road, but you are sacrificing off-road performance especially in sand and mud and loose stuff. Ideally having a dedicated off-road and on-road wheelset would be best if you can afford it. But if not check out these tires: chargedcycleworks.com/collections/surron-tires/street
@@ChargedCycleWorks Thanks for your reply and advice 👌
I have a 21" Dunlop MX53 on my RST 😎
Did you trim knobs?
@@ChargedCycleWorks no I trimmed the fork.
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@@ChargedCycleWorks I think he trimmed the actual fork if I remember
@@Zackattack94 trimmed the fork?!? as in, removed metal from the inner brace?
@@ChargedCycleWorks ua-cam.com/video/9T0Gv249jbY/v-deo.html
Is the Michelin starcross front and rear the best upgrade for a Talaria on stock rims or would you recommend anything else? (Riding dirt only)
Same advice applies to Talaria in this video. The dunlops are the largest tires in 70/100-19, but they are not the best in the rear. We have the Kenda Millville in stock right now and it's a favorite in the rear and is similar size to MX33/53 up front.
So the Shinko 244 would be recommended for the rider who is spending the majority of their time on the road? (Vs. the 241) I believe the video said the 244 is 70% offroad / 30% on the road but your website says the 244 is (70% on road and 30% off road).
The 244 will definitely last longer it's a harder rubber compound, so yes.
what would the best front and rear stock size hybrid tyres? i do both off-road and on road on my road legal surron
if you are riding on the road you cannot beat the Shinko 241 for versatility, while it's not a knobby tire, it still does decent off-road and is far better and safer on road than any knobby tire. In a perfect world you should have two sets of wheels, one for off-road and one for on-road as there are compromises no matter what you do.
Do you have any recommendations for a dual sport 19 inch tire like the Shinko but less heavy?? I seem to be stuck having to make a compromise no matter where I look. Anything closer to the original stock tires that’s just a bit better?
Shinko 244, nothing is as light as the stock CST tires. We have street tires by Mitas coming this week you can hit the notify button on them here: chargedcycleworks.com/collections/surron-tires/street
@@ChargedCycleWorks Does the shinko 244 weigh in at 10#'s? (241 is @ that weight)
what are your best front and rear tire setup for stock rims? I ride on moto tracks and trails
Dunlop MX33 and MX53 are the largest 70/100-19 tires on the market and people love them on the stock rims. But we also see a ton of Maxxis IT's on the rear and of course the Shinko 241's for those that hit pavement and hard BMX type tracks.
I bike up here in Uxbridge Ontario Canada on single and double track mountain bike trails. I have been trying to "build down" my Sur Ron to more of a moutain bike build/feel with better handling and "care for the trails" in mind (as there is only so much power you need on tight twisty technical trails). Any iteas on the optimal wheel size(s) and build for less power needs(stock), more range, lighter more nible"?. After two years and 200+ rides my worn down csts seem better than ever on this type of trail (roots, wet rocks, loamy pine trails, ...). Almost like a "trials bike sticky setup" maybe.
that's the opposite direction of our upgrades which focus on maximum traction, handling, flat protection, reliability with very minimal weight gain. The OEM surron components are about as light as you can find, the only way to drop weight is to use MTB wheels, but we don't recommend this because they are not made for a bike as heavy as the surron. Our lightest tires like M203 and Mitas weigh more than CST. Honestly the 16/19 setup is the best of both worlds in our opinion, we absolutely love how it handles especially on trails that are like a MTB trail. Also spreading out the weight across a fatter tire like a 90/100-16 has less impact on the trail than a skinny tire like CST that will slide and spin far more than a 90/100-16. If you ever visit a golf course look at the size of tires on their tractors, very wide to minimize pounds per sq-in for minimum impact.
@@ChargedCycleWorks after watching all your videos ... totally agree.
those are all track tires though. What about mixed usage? City commuting and a little off road mixed in? I sont plan to race motocross
Check out our recently updated 19” tire video
I'm getting my Surron Ultra Bee on Friday. Stock tires are CST 80/100-19 front and 90/90-19 rear. I didn't get a good look at clearance in rear for a fatter tire but I'd be interested in a better tire set, for sure. I'm 100% off-road. Any suggestions?
Hi Martin, jealous you are getting yours so soon! The Ultra really needs a 21" up front and we have some options for that coming soon. Unfortunately with 19" the options are not good, just like on Light Bee. All of these tires were made for the front not the rear. The best tires (and largest) would be the 70/100-19 Dunlop MX33 and MX53. While you can install a big beefy 100/90-19 MX tire on the rear, you really don't want to do that without a 21" up front, it's going to make the bike handling really terrible without the 21". If you watch Tuckers ECR review of the Ultra he complains about the front being too low and the front tucking in corners and he (out of desperation) softened his rear shock to lower the rear of the bike. The better solution is the bike needs a 21" up front. Give us a call if you would like to talk to us about a 21" upgrade....we don't have them in stock yet, but we're working at it.
@@ChargedCycleWorks Thanks for the comprehensive reply. I would be very interested in the 21 in rim. I just picked up my Ultra Bee today and it handled decently in stock form but I think it would be exceptional with better tires. I ride >90% off-road because I live off-road. So I think I need more aggressive knobby tires anyway AND balanced handling.
will you talk about street tyres,what about 18/19 comination ?
We will do an updated video soon and dive into different terrain recommendations
Does the Dunlop Mx33 fit the new K2 forks on the 2021 - present bikes?
If you mean KKE, yes they do fit.
@@ChargedCycleWorks Yes, KKE, sorry 😆
With all the tires you showed do they fit the stock segway x260 rims
Yes the X260 wheels are identical to the Surron, X160 uses smaller 17" wheels
I got Dunlop geomax front and rear hard compound front mediums to soft rear with dnm front fork Ebmx rear swing arm until I can get MOTO wheels gotta save up from these parts I just bought
👍👌💯 😊
What about the new surron’s like the ultra bee rear tire only
Same problems exist on the Ultra Bee, they use 19/19 which means terrible rear tire selection. check out our website we are suggesting 21" up front on the Ultra, it needs this to fix a geometry issue that causes turn-in problems at speed. Once you have a 21" up front you can run an 90/100-18 or 100/90-19 in the rear and now you have a full moto tire setup with great tire choices.
Would the Millville 2 fit the rst fork?
The millville is a larger than average tire like the Dunlops, it is not going to fit an RST fork. Go for a Mitas or M203 :)
Hi is anyone running 17" dual sport tires? Shinko 241 or 244. I just ordered a CST super moto kit and I was curious if I can switch them over and if anyone has got any experience with that setup. Thanks for the video just got my sur on this helps a lot.
We have TONS of people running 244's and 241's on the OEM 19" wheels it's very popular. Typically 17" is for street tires, the problem you'll find with 17" is finding tires narrow enough to fit the surron which has width limitations front and rear. The community would have more experience than we do with this size.
By any chance do you anyone who makes a rear swingarm extension in the USA I know you can get those overseas but it took over 2 months
I rode a friend's sur Ron with the extension big difference in handling both sur rons run 18-21 wheels ?
Keep an eye out on our website, we are an EBMX dealer and they have an extended swingarm hitting the market soon. We still have not gotten our hands on any of them but we will.
@@ChargedCycleWorks I'd be interested in that swing arm extension 🤙🏼 Any news yet?
For a Shinko 241 19x3.50 what rear rim is better 1.85 or 2.15?
We build and ride both sizes, cannot tell the difference between the two. If you have a choice 1.85 to save a few ounces of weight, other than that there isn't a difference big enough to feel and many brands only come in 2.15.
@@ChargedCycleWorks if I go to 2.15 is gonna be little more wider? because I don’t wanna shave the tire… or fits well?
Ok
What about 90/90 19 tires ? The ones that has the ultra bee. The Fit good.
This video is in heavy need of an update so we will start working on the best tire options for 2024
@@ChargedCycleWorks ok. Thank you for that
@@kolopier I'm planning on upgrading my stock wheels on Light Bee with 1,85 rear rim, 90/90 19 CST CM-708 and 54T sprocket and front with 1,60x21 rim and 80/100 21 Mitas C-11 under Fox 40 float for 29 bike wheel, I will aslo have to get front Boost hub so only 32 spokes and would like to get aluminium nipples so wish me luck. not many Sur-rons in Europe so still trial and error for me.
i think it will be good. why fox and not fast ace?@@Yanco0O
what's your favorite 19" tire for the front in terms of cost/durability/weight.....??
If weight is your primary goal then both our Mitas and the M203 are great choices they are really great at high performance and traction at a very low weight, we do like the Mitas slightly more it's a tad larger and more knobbie for slightly more traction but they are both great: chargedcycleworks.com/collections/surron-tires/products/mitas-terra-force-mx-super-light-19-front-tire?variant=40048147857603
If Cost is higher on the priority list then do a Tusk Recon or T-35, you cannot beat bang-for-buck with those. chargedcycleworks.com/collections/surron-tires/products/tusk-recon-sticky-19-tire-for-surron-segway
@@ChargedCycleWorks The Tusk recon looks cool. Curious, how wide is it? I can't seem to find it on your tire chart...
@@bikeninja956 same width as T-35, if you have an RST fork go with M203 it fits the best.
I have 1500 miles on my mitas moto terraforce, super light didn’t lose any range, traction is great and durability has been fantastic. Really is worth the extra $. Also ridden a couple bikes with mx33 up front as long as your fork permits makes a great choice as well.
I went with the shinko 244. 2.75x19... haven't put them on yet
Did they work?
@@williamharvey2622 im using the stock tires first.. but I'm sure they work.. i believe a couple places sell them for the surron option...i wouldn't go any bigger though.. they probably won't clear the chain
@@ItisMeMike did you change the stock surron tires to the 244's yet?
@@ellestar2306 nope.. im. Only at like 350 miles with the stock tires... i don't really use it that much
@@ItisMeMike respects. Wish I didn't have to use mine as much as I do. The surron is my only mode of transportation for the past year and I'm looking to get some new tires for it. The shino 244 seems okay, since I only ride of concrete.
Be well my friend and let us know when you switch em.
Did you ever get the XX going yet?
We sold our XX's long ago as build bikes. Honestly after riding the XX we do not recommend them, the tune is not good for off-road, too violent like on/off switch. A BAC4000 is far superior to the XX.
Thank you for the reply
What are the sizes for the stock surron x tires
They are 70/100-19 or 2.75x19
@@ChargedCycleWorks thanks
@Charged Cycle Works Is 2.75 the largest size recommended for the sur ron x? Thx in advance -
What about Mitas Terra Force 100/90 - 19 MX MH ? As far as i know they only weight 4.8kg which is pretty light by considering how wide is. Wondering if it fits on Talaria
We actually have one of these tires in the shop, we thought the same thing, based on specs it should fit, right? Unfortunately this tire is very wide and it won't fit in a surron swingarm.
@@ChargedCycleWorks it doesn't even fit on Talaria?
Yall said you didn't sell that 100/90 x 19. I accidentally bought that fat dirt bike tire and from your site
We started selling the Michelin Starcross tire in that size specifically for the Talaria because it fits great on it. Does not fit Surron without modifications. Feel free to return it if you need to.
Your rims are always out of stock, every time I've checked for almost a year. I have to look elsewhere.