Matx boards are everywhere… and I don't understand the lack of love for them. The average user don't need that many expansion slots and mini itx is a bit expensive
"a bit" it's not just the board, cases are more expensive, and you need higher capacity RAM modules if you want more RAM instead of just getting more modules, 32GB RAM, Strix B450 motherboard and miniITX case with good airflow and good GPU and cooler support, you are looking at 300+ bigger price probably
100% Agreed! mITX allows for the bare minimum to build a functional system in the smallest format possible, but it comes with a price: literally because everything is just more expensive, practically because building in really compact cases becomes a struggle if you still want good performance with a large graphics card, good cooling, a reasonable amount of storage... uATX solves all of that: the boards are pretty much existing ATX boards with a few slots cut off at the bottom for the same price or slightly less while still having 1 or 2 extra PCIe slots on top of the one for your graphics card, power for the CPU is usually better... And the cases aren't much larger than the mITX ones that actually allow a performance system plus you can put a RAID pair of 2TB 3.5" HDD's in them for the price of the one 1TB SSD you'd have to use in a mITX case. ATX: Why? MultiGPU setups are a thing of the past, PCIe SSD's have been replaced with M.2 ones, onboard sound has come to the point you need an external DAC to actually improve... The only thing one might use a PCIe-card for apart from GPU is maybe a 10Gbit LAN or a WiFi card, which you can also fit in a uATX system. I would actually like to see an enthousiast case that allows for an open loop CPU+GPU water cooling system and at least 2 360/420 radiators for overclocking+silence without wasting space for an (E-)ATX motherboard nobody needs.
@@Candisa Atx is only 4cm taller? Or how much do those extra slots make... My problem with this case is the stupid psu cover that got pushed to every case using this layout. My matx has the gpu on the second slot, that puts my 2,5 slot cooler snugly to the steel plate...
Is mATX really that much of a niche market these days? With multi GPU setups getting more expensive and having poorer support than ever, you could argue that there's really very little need for a full size ATX motherboard now. I guess you could argue that mini ITX will support a single GPU setup just as well and result in a more compact build overall, but mATX offers more space to work and more versitility with cooling options.
mATX is for noobs in building PC's or someone who doesn't have enough budget to go miniITX, i mean NZXT H200i and InWin A1/A1 Plus are great cases, but not nearly as budget friendly as this, plus with miniITX you spend more for motherboard and more for RAM i you need more than 16GB of it, I'm not a noob builder and i love InWin cases, but in Europe those miniITX ones are too much for me,
It's a shame to see mATX fade. I just got a new case for my six year old Asus Maximus VI Gene. I still love it. I'll never need more than two PCI-E slots anyway, and I like the proportions of mATX motherboards and cases. They look better. mATX doesn't force me to sacrifice any memory slots like ITX either. I'm going to keep this CPU/motherboard combo going as long as I can.
@@komi1834 mATX is not for noobs there are good mATX boards that offer the same overclocking abilities, I like them because they offer more expandability than miniITX and are still tiny compared to ATX boards.
@@0xBytes i was more talking about platform as a hole, there arent good mATX cases, they are small and everything these days got psu shroud sp GPU temps are not good, i use mATX board myself, but in ATX case, Cooler Master MB511 RGB with fans swapped for Chromax Noctuas
@@komi1834 yea I agree that mATX cases are not given the appropriate attention, I wish there were more dual chamber cases on the market The case shown here is actually fairly decent you can have some good airflow with it
You could be on to something but I think it's more due to the whole airflow in that particular setup. It's not that the radiator is preventing airflow (it is, partially of course) I think it's more to do with that being nearly the only source of forced air the GPU gets and since it's such a huge GPU, it's only getting it partially where it needs it (at it's own fan intakes all the air going above the backplate doesn't do you much good). Because the other two case fans form a bit of a shortcut, only going over the CPU and then getting pulled straight back down. If the radiator fits at the top that would've been a better spot I think, then put the two case fans at the front bottom to supply the GPU.
Should have mounted that water cooling radiator on top and left the front just fans for air flow, also you mounted that radiator upside down, the tubes should always come in from the bottom when mounted at the front like that.
This is a good, thoughtful review, but the GPU temps in your review lead me to believe you could have set it up better. I assume your CPU radiator was used as an intake, and it looks like the radiator was almost touching your video card. You could have tried the radiator on top and used it as an exhaust. I also found that the exhaust fan speed is important in my mATX case. I lowered my exhaust fan so that it almost touches my video card and I set it to run 100-300 RPM faster than my intake fans. GPU temps dropped noticeably. I have a different case but it's the same basic design.
@@devhxpg not at all. It's actually only good for cpu temps as the cpu heat gets into the radiator which the fans blow into the chassis. What this does is it preheats the intake air which will result in poorer temps for your gpu vrms and so on. However if you set your aio to the top as exhaust , the rest of your component's temps will be much better but at the cost of a higher cpu temp as all the heat in your chassis passes though the radiator.
You don't need to route the cable through the bottom or the top, making a cable mess like that. There's a hole exactly for the fan cables on right side
i think is great budget case. Ofc you wont put this hardware Leo did inside (he did to test temps) but something like 1660ti + ryzen 2600 / i5 16 gb ram and b450 this case looking good for budget build like that. Also i agree with price Leo ... when i heard 85 pounds i was meh ...but 60 pounds sounds good for case whit TG, psu department and 2x 120mm fans
I got MB511 RGB, got it for 58 pounds here in Serbia, Cooler Master stuff is cheaper than in UK at least 10%, but it's too open, like this one, so it's noisy, i sold 3x RGB fans for 34.5 pounds and bought 2x airflow optimised Chromax Noctua fans in 120mm, they are quieter and push quite a bit more air at same rpm than same fans like this front fan, just mine were RGB version, and back fan is better, quieter and better airflow, but still not close to Noctua fans, i got mATX motherboard anyway and 4 pin Chromax spliters from Noctua, also Chromax extension cables, so less fan headers on mATX is not a problem anyway. Now i don't know to get this case or NR600, I do prefer smaller cases, but I worry a bit about GPU temps, will use aircooler so intake will be cooler than with front-mounted AIO, but GPU might get quite warm which I don't rly like, well I can always just buy more Noctua fans and get lower temps with brute force of superior engineering I guess.
Hmmmm, trying to decide if this case is better than the Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L case for a MicroATX build.......this is tough. Some people say the Q300L case doesn't have the best cooling and the CPU especially may get close to 100C and throttle. Some other people say the cooling is just fine......
I have built two systems with this case. It gets pretty dusty and will be noisy if your components are noisy. Heck you can hear it while he's talking. If you have quiet fans and components, especially at load, then you are ok with noise. The dust though can't be managed really unless you put filters over the intake fans. but that reduces airflow.
I happened upon this case and I like it but cannot find the non-odd version for the US market and what with human malware shipping delays are a reality. Amazon "Prime" expected delivery April 21.
Storage is exactly why I'm a MicroATX fan - cube designs and setups like this let me jam a lot of storage into a small-medium form factor... and micro ATX boards are everywhere and dont have the premium price ITX does Love seeing cases like this for the niche market im part of.
I've had this case for 3 months. I only noticed the 2.5" drive mounts that are under the GPU after seeing you use one of them in this video....... Thanks :DD
Great review, cool build. I love the blocky style of this case, the "exposed" PSU basement not behind glass looks better with this blocky style compared to the eclipse P300 with the angled front panel. No thumbscrews on the window also keeps things smooth and boxy square.
I used to love Coolermaster cases But I am not interested in gaming cases with TG sides. It is very hard to find a non gaming cases these days But I have just ordered the new Silvertone Fara 513
What kind of fans that Cooler Master bundled with this case? Would like to install Cooler Master DF1202512SELN value pack (4 pcs) so probably need to rearrange those bundles fans
MATX needs a lot more love. Average gamers cares about small form factor. Who cares about fancy RGB and glass panel if the case is small and has good airflow.
The case has four SSD mounting points... two in the front (on top of PSU shroud) and two in the back... it comes with a pack of little pegs that you screw into your SSD, which then pushes into rubber grommet holes on the case that hold the SSD with frction on the pegs... I own this case and the system works very well.
I gave this video a thumbs up despite the AIO CPU cooler was installed upside down. It's a common mistake among most tech UA-camrs. And the focus was on the case, not PC building. I really like this case. Can't wait to buy it for a Ryzen 5000 build...someday, when new CPUs and GPUs are actually in stock. :(
FYI, there is no mic/headset 3.5mm adapter, and CM refused to send one to me upon my discovery (I know it doesnt cost much, but having it part of the entire case purchase would have been convenient).
I have the one with the Disc Drive as it's an older LG Blu Ray. MSI B550m Mortar with Ryzen 5 5600x and RX 6600, it's a nice case for mATX build, but don't mount the radiator upside down like Leo did, the lines stay at bottom of radiator and top of tank above cpu pump, when it loses coolant in the system. the radiator is like standing water column, all air moves to top of radiator and stays, the way Leo has it, it will not pick up after coolant lost and maybe why it's so loud to him.
@@kravenfoxbodies2479 yeah, was thinking the way he had the radiator first was better. But of course, this would mean his GPU would not be able to fit (a solution would be to use a smaller GPU)
I really like mATX ! It's small but still has some expansion, and is much cheaper than ATX in most cases. I currenty have an ATX case and my mATX motherboard looks ridicule in it, definitely gonna buy this case, especially since it's "only" 65€ where I live. It has the HDD slots I need, the SSD slots I need and the airflow I need. It won't look any cheaper than my aerocool case lol, terrible thing...
so I've been looking on this case for some while now, well can this case accommodate the XFX Thiic Ultra III rx 5700 xt which is 315mm/314cm and also can I fit 9 case fans on this one?
I really like this case- its odd this model has a removable HD cage where the ATX NR600 it is rivited as you alluded to. For myself I move my system alot and run a modest system with nothing above a 120mm AIO, maybe two drives and one GPU. Im not a fan of mini itx as there are only 2 memory slots and the one pcie connector- I prefer the expandability and 3+ rear slots for a larger array of gpus.
I thought RGB was a silly gimmick until I saw it in my new build. I bought stuff that happened to have it like a Strix B450 board, the Ryzen 2700x stock cooler, and the trident DDR4. Wow. It looks so nice. I get it now. I am considering air coolers and a Noctua U12S is top of the list so far, but no RGB. I am also seeing some products that have focused on pretty, but their thermal performance has actually suffered (cough CM cough, but not in this case -- pun intended).
Cooler Master MA620P actually cools quite nice, it's just not as quiet as noctuas, but you can put 3rd fan and then run them at lower speed, i personally removed all my RGB becauze it was distractingand got myself some Noctua Chromax fans
I was watching this in incognito mode. but when I read your comment, and got the pun. Man, I had to come down here and let you know you made me laugh! That was GOOD!
I REALLY like this one, but as of writing this it still can't be bought in the EU. There's some of these with the optical slot I can see on US ebay but that's it.
The case has four SSD mounting points... two in the front (on top of PSU shroud) and two in the back... it comes with a pack of little pegs that you screw into your SSD, which then pushes into rubber grommet holes on the case that hold the SSD with frction on the pegs... I own this case and the system works very well.
Any particular reason to put a 750W PSU in this sistem? HDD space is absolutely claustrophobic. Even you tested the scheme without the cage with HDDs which are going to die by heat shock anyway.
I don't know why anyone would use an HDD in 2020... that's 90s tech, but if you insist on ancient technology, you can literally put a 120mm or 140mm intake fan right next to the HDD cage for direct air cooling on those ancient drives. Theres also four SSD mounts and of course you can use NVMe M.2 drives on your MB... so there's two generations of technology breakthroughs of storage drives you can use over spinning HDD platters.
@@wolfshanze5980 Price per GB for example? Meshify C with 3x Noctua NFS12A PWM in the front and one case factory fan on the back (positive pressure build). MB: B450M Pro4 (I've mentioned this because the M.2 WD Blue is in contact with it) + 1 TB A-DATA SSD (don't remember the exact model) + 3 TB Toshiba P300 HDD. The concept here is/was (1 year latter): 1. Fast boot of OS and launch of software (M.2 WD Blue 500 GB) 2. Gaming (fast load of the games + larger volume projects to load from the software on C:) 3. P300 HDD for long-time storage of finished projects and first degree of backup. In all the cases, the predominant heat came from SSD stuff + MB to which M.2 is attached - fast, but not very cool solution. Hope to see, after another year, a 3TB SSD storage for 50 USD. Cheers.
@@childrolland sometimes you get what you pay for... a HDD is the cheapest per gigabyte for a reason... it's very old and very slow technology. Maybe 10 years ago your argument would hold water, but you can buy 1TB SSD drives very cheap, even NVMe 1TB drives are around $100 these days. The Chevy Spark is the cheapest new car you can buy and is the cheapest mile per dollar you can find. That doesn't make the Chevy Spark a good car. I mean sure, the Chevy Spark (HDD) will function and is cheap, but once you're used to a Camaro (SSD) or Corvette (NVMe) that Spark starts to look like an embarrassing drive. Anyone used to the performance of SSD and NVMe drives just doesn't go back to HDDs... not in 2020.
The case has four SSD mounting points... two in the front (on top of PSU shroud) and two in the back... it comes with a pack of little pegs that you screw into your SSD, which then pushes into rubber grommet holes on the case that hold the SSD with frction on the pegs... I own this case and the system works very well.
I got the Cooler Master MasterBox Lite 3.1 for a budget £470 AMD build but the airflow is really and I have to leave the front panel off otherwise it over heats. Otherwise the case is okay but no real room for upgrades. I might go mini ITX soon. Is this case better then the 3.1 Lite case? Also I have to say that this case reminds me more of Fractal Design cases then NZXT but I think this might get more airflow then NZXT. Could you compare the temps to the NZXT mid tower that most people use (I forgot what it's called) and the Fractal Design micro atx case?
A little late, but this is a classic example of the 'Not US' tax! The case's price in the US at the time was ~65 USD, or only about £50!... Though I see even at the 'corrected' price it got bumped up to 60. ;)
Weird. I have the exact same case but only one USB port on the front (well top really) IO panel. Cool vid regardless. I'm probably going to follow a similar path for improved cooling and airflow. Although no RGB fans. Hate that crap ! ;)
Practically no one should be buying full-sized ATX boards now. They just don't make any sense for the vast majority of people who will only ever install one graphics card and leave the rest of the slots empty.
I have been looking for an M-ATX case since the start of last year. None of them really interested me until I saw this one, its a bit strange how in 2019 a mesh front is considered innovative compared to a TG or solid front, since when I built my first PC in 2012, mesh fronts were the norm and only a few cases had solid sleek fronts, like the Define R4 eventually the H440i. I have kept the Corsair C70 I have had since that first build even though I upgraded from a Ivy Bridge ATX build to an M-ATX Ryzen build a while ago. The case is fine, however a bit too large, which is why I have been looking for M-ATX cases. Recently I have bought the 5700xt from AMD so a case without a "choked" front design would go a long way into making that thing quieten down a bit. I was considering a CM Q300L but since most of the front panel is steel there is not much point for my needs. Since this thing is mesh and not steel in the front I am hoping to get decent airflow through the case. Cases looked really nice when tempered glass was a premium option and was not the norm as it is today. Now it feels vastly overdone and cases are looking more and more similar to each other every-time a new case comes out. Finding a case today that would be a net benefit to upgrade to compared to my C70 has been getting more and more difficult each time a manufacturer decides spend more time implementing RGB than designing a box that can have air travel through it. The only real benefit right now to upgrade would be to have a smaller case, and if I wanted a smaller case with good airflow I really might as well go and buy a used smaller case from the time when cases didn't have choked fronts. So that is why I have been hoarding my C70 for so long, and to finally see an M-ATX case comes out that ticks most of my boxes, the extra price doesn't seem to bad. I really hope to see more case innovation in the future, companies are getting a bit too cozy slapping a slab of plastic, metal, or glass onto the front and calling it a design. M-ATX is a really nice formfactor. Personally I think Mini ITX is a bit too small and restricting for what I want from a platform, and ATX is far too large, I really don't need 3 to 4 16x PCI-E slots. With M-ATX I can have 4 RAM slots, dual GPUs, M.2 NVMe SSDs, decent OC support, and options for many SATA drives. Most of the benefits of a full size ATX but in a smaller package, in a case that I would actually want to put on top of my desk. The problem with M-ATX seems to be finding a box to put it in. It is sad to see such a good platform be ignored.
It looks darker than expected. On some photos it has a grey sheen. That's, simply put, sh**, because I want a white case, and I increasingly think pure black cases look like garbage. (I have a black case myself, I need a change.) However this is not nearly as bad as the glass window trend everywhere... If there were at least an option for a side-mesh more commonly, this would improve cooling everywhere and skyrocket the possible options one can choose without much worry about that factor. The absolute worst are those that let the graphics card choke in horizonal position to a glass window. This is, I think, for sadists who like to observe suffering. And reports are also that this heats up the window and by that the whole case... A few years earlier this would never have happened, and there would be a mesh there instead. This position (parallel to a mesh instead of facing downwards) is accidentally especially good for small cases like ITX and some Micro-ATX.
Matx boards are everywhere… and I don't understand the lack of love for them. The average user don't need that many expansion slots and mini itx is a bit expensive
"a bit" it's not just the board, cases are more expensive, and you need higher capacity RAM modules if you want more RAM instead of just getting more modules, 32GB RAM, Strix B450 motherboard and miniITX case with good airflow and good GPU and cooler support, you are looking at 300+ bigger price probably
@@komi1834 haha, I'm just "being british" ;)
100% Agreed!
mITX allows for the bare minimum to build a functional system in the smallest format possible, but it comes with a price: literally because everything is just more expensive, practically because building in really compact cases becomes a struggle if you still want good performance with a large graphics card, good cooling, a reasonable amount of storage...
uATX solves all of that: the boards are pretty much existing ATX boards with a few slots cut off at the bottom for the same price or slightly less while still having 1 or 2 extra PCIe slots on top of the one for your graphics card, power for the CPU is usually better... And the cases aren't much larger than the mITX ones that actually allow a performance system plus you can put a RAID pair of 2TB 3.5" HDD's in them for the price of the one 1TB SSD you'd have to use in a mITX case.
ATX: Why? MultiGPU setups are a thing of the past, PCIe SSD's have been replaced with M.2 ones, onboard sound has come to the point you need an external DAC to actually improve... The only thing one might use a PCIe-card for apart from GPU is maybe a 10Gbit LAN or a WiFi card, which you can also fit in a uATX system.
I would actually like to see an enthousiast case that allows for an open loop CPU+GPU water cooling system and at least 2 360/420 radiators for overclocking+silence without wasting space for an (E-)ATX motherboard nobody needs.
@@Candisa "m-ATX" you mean
@@Candisa Atx is only 4cm taller? Or how much do those extra slots make... My problem with this case is the stupid psu cover that got pushed to every case using this layout. My matx has the gpu on the second slot, that puts my 2,5 slot cooler snugly to the steel plate...
Titles the video No RGB and we like it! Then proceeds to adds RGB fans What!?
It says we like it, referencing the case as a whole. It is slightly confusing but the dashes clearly separate the main title points.
we like it... despite the lack of RGB
I love how the sidepanel is attached. such a well built mechanism. Love this case great review
Is mATX really that much of a niche market these days? With multi GPU setups getting more expensive and having poorer support than ever, you could argue that there's really very little need for a full size ATX motherboard now. I guess you could argue that mini ITX will support a single GPU setup just as well and result in a more compact build overall, but mATX offers more space to work and more versitility with cooling options.
mATX is for noobs in building PC's or someone who doesn't have enough budget to go miniITX, i mean NZXT H200i and InWin A1/A1 Plus are great cases, but not nearly as budget friendly as this, plus with miniITX you spend more for motherboard and more for RAM i you need more than 16GB of it, I'm not a noob builder and i love InWin cases, but in Europe those miniITX ones are too much for me,
It's a shame to see mATX fade. I just got a new case for my six year old Asus Maximus VI Gene. I still love it. I'll never need more than two PCI-E slots anyway, and I like the proportions of mATX motherboards and cases. They look better. mATX doesn't force me to sacrifice any memory slots like ITX either. I'm going to keep this CPU/motherboard combo going as long as I can.
@@komi1834 mATX is not for noobs there are good mATX boards that offer the same overclocking abilities, I like them because they offer more expandability than miniITX and are still tiny compared to ATX boards.
@@0xBytes i was more talking about platform as a hole, there arent good mATX cases, they are small and everything these days got psu shroud sp GPU temps are not good, i use mATX board myself, but in ATX case, Cooler Master MB511 RGB with fans swapped for Chromax Noctuas
@@komi1834 yea I agree that mATX cases are not given the appropriate attention, I wish there were more dual chamber cases on the market
The case shown here is actually fairly decent you can have some good airflow with it
I think the temps would be quite a bit better with an air cooler because that radiator is going to restrict a lot of airflow.
The case is built to counter that problem :)
You could be on to something but I think it's more due to the whole airflow in that particular setup.
It's not that the radiator is preventing airflow (it is, partially of course) I think it's more to do with that being nearly the only source of forced air the GPU gets and since it's such a huge GPU, it's only getting it partially where it needs it (at it's own fan intakes all the air going above the backplate doesn't do you much good).
Because the other two case fans form a bit of a shortcut, only going over the CPU and then getting pulled straight back down.
If the radiator fits at the top that would've been a better spot I think, then put the two case fans at the front bottom to supply the GPU.
You missed out the rectangular hole for fan cables at front, Leo.
Indeed, especially as the stock front fan used it too!
Exactly almost all cases have them...he just wanted to over think things
At MRSP of 59.99 (69.99 for the ATX version), this is looks like a great budget case.
It's nice, although it's as large as a Define C, which costs as much as this one where I live and can fit an ATX board
@@hornsteinhof7592 Define C TG is 120 Euros at my place and NR400 will be 60 euros, so not rly comparable
@@komi1834 Interesting to hear. The Define C Tempered Glass is 59 Euros in Germany (without any promotions)
9:05 It looks like there's a hole to the right of the front fans for cable routing.
What a beautiful case.MATX size looks best aesthetically.
Thank you for showing your build! Most the videos I've found start with a fully assembled setup.
A top mount AIO would solve the gpu temp issue
Should have mounted that water cooling radiator on top and left the front just fans for air flow, also you mounted that radiator upside down, the tubes should always come in from the bottom when mounted at the front like that.
is there room for the tube to go past the video card with the rad that way?
This is a good, thoughtful review, but the GPU temps in your review lead me to believe you could have set it up better. I assume your CPU radiator was used as an intake, and it looks like the radiator was almost touching your video card. You could have tried the radiator on top and used it as an exhaust.
I also found that the exhaust fan speed is important in my mATX case. I lowered my exhaust fan so that it almost touches my video card and I set it to run 100-300 RPM faster than my intake fans. GPU temps dropped noticeably. I have a different case but it's the same basic design.
i agree with you, it's all about placing the cpu radiator on the top !
@@lucasgulild Front is actually better for temps overall.
@@devhxpg not at all. It's actually only good for cpu temps as the cpu heat gets into the radiator which the fans blow into the chassis. What this does is it preheats the intake air which will result in poorer temps for your gpu vrms and so on.
However if you set your aio to the top as exhaust , the rest of your component's temps will be much better but at the cost of a higher cpu temp as all the heat in your chassis passes though the radiator.
That 120 fan in the front is ridiculous. They could have put 2 for the price they are charging for it. Those fans cost pennies to make.
You don't need to route the cable through the bottom or the top, making a cable mess like that. There's a hole exactly for the fan cables on right side
There is a pass thru for the fan cables like almost all cases that you didn't use. You can't see it?
i think is great budget case. Ofc you wont put this hardware Leo did inside (he did to test temps) but something like 1660ti + ryzen 2600 / i5 16 gb ram and b450 this case looking good for budget build like that. Also i agree with price Leo ... when i heard 85 pounds i was meh ...but 60 pounds sounds good for case whit TG, psu department and 2x 120mm fans
I got MB511 RGB, got it for 58 pounds here in Serbia, Cooler Master stuff is cheaper than in UK at least 10%, but it's too open, like this one, so it's noisy, i sold 3x RGB fans for 34.5 pounds and bought 2x airflow optimised Chromax Noctua fans in 120mm, they are quieter and push quite a bit more air at same rpm than same fans like this front fan, just mine were RGB version, and back fan is better, quieter and better airflow, but still not close to Noctua fans, i got mATX motherboard anyway and 4 pin Chromax spliters from Noctua, also Chromax extension cables, so less fan headers on mATX is not a problem anyway.
Now i don't know to get this case or NR600, I do prefer smaller cases, but I worry a bit about GPU temps, will use aircooler so intake will be cooler than with front-mounted AIO, but GPU might get quite warm which I don't rly like, well I can always just buy more Noctua fans and get lower temps with brute force of superior engineering I guess.
Silverstone PS15 is also a choice, I'm using it, it's great if you like even smaller case.
I personnaly would considered a good case even when i have more then enought to buy beter cases in my budget
Another great review as always Leo! Decided on this case when we move and downsize...fits our armoire like a glove.
Thanks for this. What is the lock buckle in the n400 case and how do we install/use it?
GPU temperatures would be better if you mounted the AIO at the top, like you often do in other case reviews...
Ghehe is not possible unfortunately.... I have it. Not enough space above to clash with mobo
"I prefer the better cooling to the optical drive"
Proceeds to drown, choke and murder the build in hard drives.
Nice and clean design with no glass front 👍
Hmmmm, trying to decide if this case is better than the Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L case for a MicroATX build.......this is tough. Some people say the Q300L case doesn't have the best cooling and the CPU especially may get close to 100C and throttle. Some other people say the cooling is just fine......
Look at the. GAMERSNEXUS review of the Q300L.. they go into great detail of how the case might double as an oven.
Thank you for the review, I purchased this case to build my dad a Ryzen system.
Is there room for a 240mm rad at the top instead of front?
I have built two systems with this case. It gets pretty dusty and will be noisy if your components are noisy. Heck you can hear it while he's talking. If you have quiet fans and components, especially at load, then you are ok with noise. The dust though can't be managed really unless you put filters over the intake fans. but that reduces airflow.
that 1440p 60fps looks super smooth and sharp. especially with no sleep and delirious.
I happened upon this case and I like it but cannot find the non-odd version for the US market and what with human malware shipping delays are a reality. Amazon "Prime" expected delivery April 21.
Do you think your GPU temps would have been better if you air cooled your cpu? The radiator must be affecting the gpu temps?
Looks like you were putting in HDDs in the drive cage, but never ended up using it?
Storage is exactly why I'm a MicroATX fan - cube designs and setups like this let me jam a lot of storage into a small-medium form factor... and micro ATX boards are everywhere and dont have the premium price ITX does
Love seeing cases like this for the niche market im part of.
Seems odd to me to move the heat away from the CPU area to the main air intake.
I've had this case for 3 months.
I only noticed the 2.5" drive mounts that are under the GPU after seeing you use one of them in this video.......
Thanks :DD
Great review, cool build. I love the blocky style of this case, the "exposed" PSU basement not behind glass looks better with this blocky style compared to the eclipse P300 with the angled front panel. No thumbscrews on the window also keeps things smooth and boxy square.
any recommendations for rgb fans for this case?
is this case support top mount 280mm rad? it isnt stated in website, just wondering if it possible since we able to put two 140mm top
I used to love Coolermaster cases
But I am not interested in gaming cases with TG sides.
It is very hard to find a non gaming cases these days
But I have just ordered the new Silvertone Fara 513
Hi! What do you recomend for me? NR400 or Montech Air 100? Thanks!!
This would probably do well with my i5 8400 and RX 580
may i ask how to turn off those fan lights
Welcome back Leo, there's only one KG original and it's you Leo ;) we love you too ladies ;) Cheers
Can anybody explain to me how he fixes the SSD at 5:17? I am struggling to install mine
Excuse me. Can this case mount rad 360? I really want to know this. Thank you.
What material is the actual front "filter" made of? Plastic or Metal?
What kind of fans that Cooler Master bundled with this case? Would like to install Cooler Master DF1202512SELN value pack (4 pcs) so probably need to rearrange those bundles fans
I would like the nr600 review please
MATX needs a lot more love. Average gamers cares about small form factor. Who cares about fancy RGB and glass panel if the case is small and has good airflow.
Hello may i know this case can fix nzxt kraken x63 coolen?
there is no filter on top?
Great review. Really need to find those screws you used to put into the fans (the long, semi-thumb ones that went into the fans into the rad).
They are part of the fiixings kit with the Cooler Master 240mm AIO
@@KitGuruTech Figured as much. Wonder if I can find them to buy separately. They are slick!
Everyone knows RGB makes a computer faster.
Its like adding racing stripes to your car, atleast +10% horsepower
Not true downloading extra ram is what really speeds up a pc.
Blue makes your PC cooler, Red boost perfomance and green reduce power consumption
true
just download your gpu
5:20 *nani* !?! are those things holding the SSD's magnetic or something???
The case has four SSD mounting points... two in the front (on top of PSU shroud) and two in the back... it comes with a pack of little pegs that you screw into your SSD, which then pushes into rubber grommet holes on the case that hold the SSD with frction on the pegs... I own this case and the system works very well.
Damn wasn't expecting that kind of music. I love it, nice job
I gave this video a thumbs up despite the AIO CPU cooler was installed upside down. It's a common mistake among most tech UA-camrs. And the focus was on the case, not PC building. I really like this case. Can't wait to buy it for a Ryzen 5000 build...someday, when new CPUs and GPUs are actually in stock. :(
It makes me happy to see you happy
Do you think that Is compatible with 325mm long radiator not officially? Sorry for by bad english
FYI, there is no mic/headset 3.5mm adapter, and CM refused to send one to me upon my discovery (I know it doesnt cost much, but having it part of the entire case purchase would have been convenient).
It's been 3 years and they still don't sell the w/o ODD model in the USA.
I have the one with the Disc Drive as it's an older LG Blu Ray. MSI B550m Mortar with Ryzen 5 5600x and RX 6600, it's a nice case for mATX build, but don't mount the radiator upside down like Leo did, the lines stay at bottom of radiator and top of tank above cpu pump, when it loses coolant in the system. the radiator is like standing water column, all air moves to top of radiator and stays, the way Leo has it, it will not pick up after coolant lost and maybe why it's so loud to him.
@@kravenfoxbodies2479 yeah, was thinking the way he had the radiator first was better. But of course, this would mean his GPU would not be able to fit (a solution would be to use a smaller GPU)
Is possible instal 360 rad in front?
Which is better this one or the darkflash dlm22?
I wish the non ODD version Nr400 will come to the U.S.
I really like mATX ! It's small but still has some expansion, and is much cheaper than ATX in most cases.
I currenty have an ATX case and my mATX motherboard looks ridicule in it, definitely gonna buy this case, especially since it's "only" 65€ where I live.
It has the HDD slots I need, the SSD slots I need and the airflow I need.
It won't look any cheaper than my aerocool case lol, terrible thing...
70€ at the moment
It looks like a good case, but don't they already have the Q300L? My case is a Thernaltake Core V21, £50 very well spent, recommend.
This one looks way better than the q300l and i cant wait to get my hands on one of these
The Q300L? Oh, you mean the Oven!
The Q300L will roast anything you put in it... terrible lack of airflow allowed into that case.
Will this case fit noctua nhd15?
so I've been looking on this case for some while now, well can this case accommodate the XFX Thiic Ultra III rx 5700 xt which is 315mm/314cm and also can I fit 9 case fans on this one?
I really like this case- its odd this model has a removable HD cage where the ATX NR600 it is rivited as you alluded to.
For myself I move my system alot and run a modest system with nothing above a 120mm AIO, maybe two drives and one GPU.
Im not a fan of mini itx as there are only 2 memory slots and the one pcie connector- I prefer the expandability and 3+ rear slots for a larger array of gpus.
The dimpled rear fan is a bit weird...
I thought RGB was a silly gimmick until I saw it in my new build. I bought stuff that happened to have it like a Strix B450 board, the Ryzen 2700x stock cooler, and the trident DDR4. Wow. It looks so nice. I get it now. I am considering air coolers and a Noctua U12S is top of the list so far, but no RGB. I am also seeing some products that have focused on pretty, but their thermal performance has actually suffered (cough CM cough, but not in this case -- pun intended).
Cooler Master MA620P actually cools quite nice, it's just not as quiet as noctuas, but you can put 3rd fan and then run them at lower speed, i personally removed all my RGB becauze it was distractingand got myself some Noctua Chromax fans
I was watching this in incognito mode. but when I read your comment, and got the pun. Man, I had to come down here and let you know you made me laugh! That was GOOD!
What's about the Asrock B450M pro 4 ?
what power supplys can fit in it help.
I think the case looks nice, and it comes in my favorite color, black.
Im not even interested in this case, but I watch all of Leo's case reviews.
impossible to find this case anywhere for sale, the no ODD version :(
optical disk drive @Tab
I looked every where too.. it seems they only sell them over seas
I REALLY like this one, but as of writing this it still can't be bought in the EU. There's some of these with the optical slot I can see on US ebay but that's it.
As a nice little case to stick under a desk,it’s a neat little thing,as long as you keep the non-rgb fans.59 is just barely worth it though.
Hi Mate, what is wattage during idle/stress test on your i9?
Sooo should of top mounted that......would love to see a redo with a top mount
How did he install that SSD?
5:19
The case has four SSD mounting points... two in the front (on top of PSU shroud) and two in the back... it comes with a pack of little pegs that you screw into your SSD, which then pushes into rubber grommet holes on the case that hold the SSD with frction on the pegs... I own this case and the system works very well.
Any particular reason to put a 750W PSU in this sistem? HDD space is absolutely claustrophobic. Even you tested the scheme without the cage with HDDs which are going to die by heat shock anyway.
I don't know why anyone would use an HDD in 2020... that's 90s tech, but if you insist on ancient technology, you can literally put a 120mm or 140mm intake fan right next to the HDD cage for direct air cooling on those ancient drives.
Theres also four SSD mounts and of course you can use NVMe M.2 drives on your MB... so there's two generations of technology breakthroughs of storage drives you can use over spinning HDD platters.
@@wolfshanze5980
Price per GB for example?
Meshify C with 3x Noctua NFS12A PWM in the front and one case factory fan on the back (positive pressure build).
MB: B450M Pro4 (I've mentioned this because the M.2 WD Blue is in contact with it)
+ 1 TB A-DATA SSD (don't remember the exact model)
+ 3 TB Toshiba P300 HDD.
The concept here is/was (1 year latter):
1. Fast boot of OS and launch of software (M.2 WD Blue 500 GB)
2. Gaming (fast load of the games + larger volume projects to load from the software on C:)
3. P300 HDD for long-time storage of finished projects and first degree of backup.
In all the cases, the predominant heat came from SSD stuff + MB to which M.2 is attached - fast, but not very cool solution.
Hope to see, after another year, a 3TB SSD storage for 50 USD. Cheers.
@@childrolland sometimes you get what you pay for... a HDD is the cheapest per gigabyte for a reason... it's very old and very slow technology. Maybe 10 years ago your argument would hold water, but you can buy 1TB SSD drives very cheap, even NVMe 1TB drives are around $100 these days.
The Chevy Spark is the cheapest new car you can buy and is the cheapest mile per dollar you can find. That doesn't make the Chevy Spark a good car. I mean sure, the Chevy Spark (HDD) will function and is cheap, but once you're used to a Camaro (SSD) or Corvette (NVMe) that Spark starts to look like an embarrassing drive.
Anyone used to the performance of SSD and NVMe drives just doesn't go back to HDDs... not in 2020.
@@wolfshanze5980 Yep, respect your opinion too.
How did you install the ssd in the back without screws!!
The case has four SSD mounting points... two in the front (on top of PSU shroud) and two in the back... it comes with a pack of little pegs that you screw into your SSD, which then pushes into rubber grommet holes on the case that hold the SSD with frction on the pegs... I own this case and the system works very well.
How do you put your PSU?
9:08 dope transition. nice review
Dope profile picture, nice show
@@Mark-xw5yt I f w you 🤘🏾
Nice case but I do wish there was a white version.
That's racist!
Me too. Does that make me a casist?
is there a itx version of this case ?
Anyone know the song during the build time lapse?
I got the Cooler Master MasterBox Lite 3.1 for a budget £470 AMD build but the airflow is really and I have to leave the front panel off otherwise it over heats. Otherwise the case is okay but no real room for upgrades. I might go mini ITX soon. Is this case better then the 3.1 Lite case? Also I have to say that this case reminds me more of Fractal Design cases then NZXT but I think this might get more airflow then NZXT. Could you compare the temps to the NZXT mid tower that most people use (I forgot what it's called) and the Fractal Design micro atx case?
i almost thought it was the perfect case until i saw the psu filter
ok, ngl, that's a sexy way to show/hear building the system.
MATX Steel Legend and loving it!
it looks nice can i play roblox and minecraft on it and how much does it all cost total?
A little late, but this is a classic example of the 'Not US' tax! The case's price in the US at the time was ~65 USD, or only about £50!... Though I see even at the 'corrected' price it got bumped up to 60. ;)
Weird. I have the exact same case but only one USB port on the front (well top really) IO panel.
Cool vid regardless. I'm probably going to follow a similar path for improved cooling and airflow. Although no RGB fans. Hate that crap ! ;)
Phantom Gaming Fan made by cooler master, AsRock is getting into everything.
Stop motioning the lone cilantro plant is probably the best aspect of this video.
Nice case and nice build.
Practically no one should be buying full-sized ATX boards now. They just don't make any sense for the vast majority of people who will only ever install one graphics card and leave the rest of the slots empty.
I have been looking for an M-ATX case since the start of last year. None of them really interested me until I saw this one, its a bit strange how in 2019 a mesh front is considered innovative compared to a TG or solid front, since when I built my first PC in 2012, mesh fronts were the norm and only a few cases had solid sleek fronts, like the Define R4 eventually the H440i.
I have kept the Corsair C70 I have had since that first build even though I upgraded from a Ivy Bridge ATX build to an M-ATX Ryzen build a while ago. The case is fine, however a bit too large, which is why I have been looking for M-ATX cases. Recently I have bought the 5700xt from AMD so a case without a "choked" front design would go a long way into making that thing quieten down a bit. I was considering a CM Q300L but since most of the front panel is steel there is not much point for my needs. Since this thing is mesh and not steel in the front I am hoping to get decent airflow through the case.
Cases looked really nice when tempered glass was a premium option and was not the norm as it is today. Now it feels vastly overdone and cases are looking more and more similar to each other every-time a new case comes out. Finding a case today that would be a net benefit to upgrade to compared to my C70 has been getting more and more difficult each time a manufacturer decides spend more time implementing RGB than designing a box that can have air travel through it. The only real benefit right now to upgrade would be to have a smaller case, and if I wanted a smaller case with good airflow I really might as well go and buy a used smaller case from the time when cases didn't have choked fronts.
So that is why I have been hoarding my C70 for so long, and to finally see an M-ATX case comes out that ticks most of my boxes, the extra price doesn't seem to bad.
I really hope to see more case innovation in the future, companies are getting a bit too cozy slapping a slab of plastic, metal, or glass onto the front and calling it a design.
M-ATX is a really nice formfactor. Personally I think Mini ITX is a bit too small and restricting for what I want from a platform, and ATX is far too large, I really don't need 3 to 4 16x PCI-E slots.
With M-ATX I can have 4 RAM slots, dual GPUs, M.2 NVMe SSDs, decent OC support, and options for many SATA drives. Most of the benefits of a full size ATX but in a smaller package, in a case that I would actually want to put on top of my desk.
The problem with M-ATX seems to be finding a box to put it in. It is sad to see such a good platform be ignored.
This case rock's bro!
It looks darker than expected. On some photos it has a grey sheen.
That's, simply put, sh**, because I want a white case, and I increasingly think pure black cases look like garbage. (I have a black case myself, I need a change.)
However this is not nearly as bad as the glass window trend everywhere... If there were at least an option for a side-mesh more commonly, this would improve cooling everywhere and skyrocket the possible options one can choose without much worry about that factor.
The absolute worst are those that let the graphics card choke in horizonal position to a glass window. This is, I think, for sadists who like to observe suffering. And reports are also that this heats up the window and by that the whole case... A few years earlier this would never have happened, and there would be a mesh there instead. This position (parallel to a mesh instead of facing downwards) is accidentally especially good for small cases like ITX and some Micro-ATX.
Definitely considering this for a professional, clean look at my home office, and to save some desk space (downsizing from a Lian-Li PC-7HB)