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I RMA'd my 13900KF and got a refund. Bought a 14900KS on a sale and wound up with only paying 15$ out of pocket for the KS. Couldn't be happier with the KS and it's IMC is able to do DDR5 8000 cl 36 on 4 DIMM Aorus Master X board. I threw a 2nd RAM kit in for STALKER 2 and same board/14900KS runs the 4 sticks at 6800 mt cl34. Needless to say, I'm impressed with this chip and so glad I did the RMA and upgrade. All the negative press only forced Intel to really lock down K series chips in the voltage department now. The new Core Ultra chips are now bios locked for extended voltages unless running LN2 temps.
i am still unsure of what to buy this year, i love intel and always used them but its been hard to ignore all the issues across my favourite channels lately
I priced this out and I got different figures than you mat, its still good however, the extended warranty options would make me move to a system builder going forward
Been looking forward to seeing an actual PC based on one of these rather than the previews of the chips. Interesting stuff indeed seems like they really have pulled of a decent optimisation getting more bang per watt buck
Same. It's been unreal... except my motherboard holes not lining up with my bequiet! cooler's LGA 1700 compatible back mount... waiting to hear from them! Cooler plus add-on fan cost well over $100... motherboard was $700 something...! I've got it sitting/working well but not perfectly fitted!! Did you buy a brand new cooler? How'd it go?
@@ThomasStout861 as a few people have said I think Leo is waiting on Intel updates but it’s clearly already in a state to review it now. Also I think Leo is likely off work lately he doesn’t do so much here.
@CatherineMitchell-br8dx Exactly and this is why I love watching and reading things from these guys, as AMD pays most of the reviewers. But these are the ones who convinced me to go ahead and purchase the 12600k on release as everyone else especially hardware unboxed showed it gave less performance but Kitguru results were identical to what I received 💪
Shucks, I was hoping this would be leo delving into the current status of the processors. I like mats reviews of peripherals and stuff though- not being rude !
I can vouch for PCS - they make some good systems and have good customer care, its why they do well, I had a problem with my cooler and they picked it up and replaced the cooler and its great
This system looks pretty good to me and performs well, dont know why leo isnt testing his CPUs at this point, even to offer buying advice for system builders
They are a good company I would recommend them a lot if you want good support. They are a strong brand and do well - even in the downturn, so you are guarateed to get some good support
Wonder if these processors will last the distance, cause my last 2 intel processors didn't. Lost a fortune and moved to AMD, so far so good, touch wood
Leo, why are you not reviewing the processors? I know you were waiting a while, but its been ages since the launch - it would be good advice now to give people an idea of the platform
Mat seemed honest about it - I like how you dont take percentages of sales, once I see that,. there is no reason for the reviewer to be honest as anything negative drops their sales figures
PCS are great, good service. my bro has one of their systems and its great. I know its common to see people bashing prebuilts, but for a lot of people they make sense
Any chance of leo doing the cpu reviews with the current driver updates. He just left them after the poor launch. I still want to know if they are worth buying and I dont trust many UA-camrs
I have seen at least one posting where they had a benefit with CU-DIMM memory for the Ultra Core processors from Intel. Would have been interesting if they offered such. Intel was suppose to have another news release about NOW if not BEFORE on what happened from their investigations and how they will approach the problems with performance. I do feel that some newer firmware for Motherboard’s and also Windows should help as well. Takes time to address the issues and then get the codes developed, tested and out to the various manufacturers. My 2 cents, we’re all in a wait and see. Next GPU’s, Intel Arc, NVIDA series 50, and other flavors from AMD Radeon!
@Majeskty The only benefit from CUDIMM modules is if the on-DIMM clock manager allows your system to run the memory faster than it can run a standard DIMM. If the mobo and cpu will hit your target speed on the memory then CUDIMM will offer no performance boost, it is not any kind of magic bullet for Arrow Lake.
Leo hasn't gone anywhere. I'm Mat - I've been here for almost 3 years now 😆Leo is still waiting for updated information regarding the processors specifically, so we don't have anything new to share with you yet :)
Do you have a warranty from the store where you bought the CPU? Yes? Then why worry? If anything goes wrong, you get a replacement immediately or a refund. At least that's how things work in the EU.
And are these worth buying? Core Ultra was flaky on launch - I had hoped you guys might follow up with analysis of end of year performance as it stands.
I stopped building my own systems 2 years ago - 1, for a lack of time, and 2, I want a 3 year warranty and to know if the system stops working I can make a call and the company involved sort it
If PCS create something like this for similar money with a 9800X3D then I might be interested to get extended warranty terms - I will go check their website
I have never built an AMD system, I’ve been rocking with Intel DIY since Skylake, and had a PC with Pentium and 286/486 and Core Duo before. But until Intel gets its sh*t together I’m done with them. No arrow lake for me. We don’t even know if the next Lake will be supported on z890. My next build will likely be a small form factor zenx3d.
good they didnt cut corners with the fans and some of the hardware selection is very good, would never buy a prebuilt system, i love building my own - but would go for AMD every time now
Really dropped the ball on this one imo. We should have had cpu reviews long ago from Leo. If the reviews come out march no one will care at that point.
wow wasn’t expecting to see this before Leo gave his verdict on the core ultras. Intel are selling them. Been a few months. Is the situation any better now ? PCs seem to have sorted them. 😮
It's expensive, not ridiculously so but still the barrier to entry for decent PC gaming is about 5 times a PS5 gaming console. Going to need a bit of klarna for that.
I think to get long term warranty with the system working , its crticial now, its why I didnt build my last system after my intel CPU failed in 9 months I had no support from anyone and lost £500
if it doesnt start a game (newly released game - not because game is not finished) then its an automatic no no - shouldn't be advertised or sold in the first place to be honest at any price
I think the way Intel have been treating customers this year has been shocking, its a poor reflection of such an iconic brand. moved to AMD recently myself
Its a pretty good looking system but I cant help feel that Intel are on the way out. its not like its a bad system, but so much has went on in the last year
Please report any spam you see, its an ongoing issue - let us know in the comments if you have bought a new Intel processor this year and your views on the whole deal around Intel lately.
I RMA'd my 13900KF and got a refund. Bought a 14900KS on a sale and wound up with only paying 15$ out of pocket for the KS. Couldn't be happier with the KS and it's IMC is able to do DDR5 8000 cl 36 on 4 DIMM Aorus Master X board. I threw a 2nd RAM kit in for STALKER 2 and same board/14900KS runs the 4 sticks at 6800 mt cl34. Needless to say, I'm impressed with this chip and so glad I did the RMA and upgrade. All the negative press only forced Intel to really lock down K series chips in the voltage department now. The new Core Ultra chips are now bios locked for extended voltages unless running LN2 temps.
That list of issues 10:49 is absolutely insane - just wow
Quite impressed by their cable management.
Leo needs to review the processors - been waiting for ages now, surely things are better
Great review Mat, never seen you before here
Thanks. I’ve been here a few years now 👍🏻
i like the way you mix these reviews in with components as well, good coverage on a lot of hardware team Kitguru!
Thanks!
@@KitGuruTech Welcome Dear!!!
Excellent , well done mat - nice review
Thanks. Glad you liked it
I like how they have included an extra 3 fans, good move for RMAs too, will keep temps down a lot
i am still unsure of what to buy this year, i love intel and always used them but its been hard to ignore all the issues across my favourite channels lately
You love Intel? Intel doesn't love you back. Brand loyalty is overrated.
I priced this out and I got different figures than you mat, its still good however, the extended warranty options would make me move to a system builder going forward
Great system ! love it !
Good job there mat. Nice to see some intel cpu coverage even if it’s in a pre built
Thanks!
PC Specialists' pricing doesn't look too shabby at all. I'd probably change out every choice of component though! Best wishes for the season matey.
Leo give us an update - want to know if the situation is any better now - been quite a few updates and fixes since your launch piece
Been looking forward to seeing an actual PC based on one of these rather than the previews of the chips. Interesting stuff indeed seems like they really have pulled of a decent optimisation getting more bang per watt buck
Yeah as we didnt get leos verdict or any updates from him, its all we got I guess from Kitguru.
any updates on the new intel processors and how they are performing yet?
Some love for PCS going on
Thanks for the coverage, really interesting to see PCS not ditching Intel in favour of AMD
Glad you liked it!
@@KitGuruTech
its crazy to me, that i bought the 265k and im having such great performance, nothing like the ones showing in youtube benchamarks.
Same. It's been unreal... except my motherboard holes not lining up with my bequiet! cooler's LGA 1700 compatible back mount... waiting to hear from them! Cooler plus add-on fan cost well over $100... motherboard was $700 something...! I've got it sitting/working well but not perfectly fitted!! Did you buy a brand new cooler? How'd it go?
Nice to finally see a bit of a review of this platform. Why are we seeing it in a production machine and not on the bench?
@@ThomasStout861 as a few people have said I think Leo is waiting on Intel updates but it’s clearly already in a state to review it now. Also I think Leo is likely off work lately he doesn’t do so much here.
Excellent review mat, thank you for the hard work, from india
My pleasure!
Lol funny seeing a cyberpower ad in a video for a PCspecialist PC ! nice move cyberpower !
PC specialist make some really nice stuff - good selection of components, nice cooling setup fairly neat cabling.
They will be happy to hear that.
Glad you mentioned the power and temps - a lot of reviewers skip that!
@CatherineMitchell-br8dx Exactly and this is why I love watching and reading things from these guys, as AMD pays most of the reviewers. But these are the ones who convinced me to go ahead and purchase the 12600k on release as everyone else especially hardware unboxed showed it gave less performance but Kitguru results were identical to what I received 💪
Shucks, I was hoping this would be leo delving into the current status of the processors. I like mats reviews of peripherals and stuff though- not being rude !
Thanks! We’re still waiting on updates ourselves. Leo will be delving in to it all when we know more
Mat
Really nice build this. Would have switched the LCD pump cap rather than the corsair logo.
Well at least you had only one game crash, I think - any other issues?
I can vouch for PCS - they make some good systems and have good customer care, its why they do well, I had a problem with my cooler and they picked it up and replaced the cooler and its great
Thanks for sharing!
This platform has potential.
This system looks pretty good to me and performs well, dont know why leo isnt testing his CPUs at this point, even to offer buying advice for system builders
No Leo reviews of the new range of Intel chips?
Not yet
@@KitGuruTech Okay!
Waiting on Leo’s reviews now for what seems like forever 😢
They are a good company I would recommend them a lot if you want good support. They are a strong brand and do well - even in the downturn, so you are guarateed to get some good support
Wonder if these processors will last the distance, cause my last 2 intel processors didn't. Lost a fortune and moved to AMD, so far so good, touch wood
Good coverage, not sure I would ever risk intel again after all their sheningins in 2024 - shady company
Leo, why are you not reviewing the processors? I know you were waiting a while, but its been ages since the launch - it would be good advice now to give people an idea of the platform
We are still waiting on updates ourselves. As soon as we have more information, Leo will update you all
Mat
But you just reviewed a system using one and it seemed fine. 🤨
Beautiful system 😍
It’s a looker isn’t it 😀
Mat
It’s a nice system for a pretty standard goldfish bowl type case.
It seems very loud to me, I guess its intel, cooking hot hardware always makes a noise when the coolers and fans ramp up
Thanks for the system review, if they have a good AMD system at same price tell them to send you it, I wsouldnt touch intel anymore
Usually I would have preferred a white case but it’s not actually bad with the RGB.
Mat seemed honest about it - I like how you dont take percentages of sales, once I see that,. there is no reason for the reviewer to be honest as anything negative drops their sales figures
PCS are great, good service. my bro has one of their systems and its great. I know its common to see people bashing prebuilts, but for a lot of people they make sense
They sometimes can definitely make sense for sure
Mat
Pretty good review. I wonder how many games are causing issues as you say. How many did you try ?
The games listed in the review plus the one that didn’t launch
Mat
Was waiting for leos full review of the processors, is he still waiting around for updates?
Yes. We’re still awaiting updates on the situation ourselves
Mat
Leo is the boss. He pops in from time to time now and has taken more of a back seat. Mat is doing more of these I’ve noticed.
Decent 4k gamer.
I would change the case, the rest is fine, but i do not like that case at all, its much too big as well for me
Any chance of leo doing the cpu reviews with the current driver updates. He just left them after the poor launch. I still want to know if they are worth buying and I dont trust many UA-camrs
I have seen at least one posting where they had a benefit with CU-DIMM memory for the Ultra Core processors from Intel. Would have been interesting if they offered such.
Intel was suppose to have another news release about NOW if not BEFORE on what happened from their investigations and how they will approach the problems with performance. I do feel that some newer firmware for Motherboard’s and also Windows should help as well. Takes time to address the issues and then get the codes developed, tested and out to the various manufacturers.
My 2 cents, we’re all in a wait and see.
Next GPU’s, Intel Arc, NVIDA series 50, and other flavors from AMD Radeon!
@Majeskty The only benefit from CUDIMM modules is if the on-DIMM clock manager allows your system to run the memory faster than it can run a standard DIMM. If the mobo and cpu will hit your target speed on the memory then CUDIMM will offer no performance boost, it is not any kind of magic bullet for Arrow Lake.
@@wctgttm Thanks for the reply and information!
Love me a stick of RGB memory. Pointless but looks so damn good!
You should have looked at the AMD Ryzen X3D systems
Glad power consumption is finally coming down on CPUs. Just wish GPUs would do the same.
Been waiting on Leos reviews of these for weeks now. any ETA?
Not really yet, we are waiting on some big fixes which are meant to be coming soon
Where is Leo, who is this guy? Can we get Leo back please
Leo hasn't gone anywhere. I'm Mat - I've been here for almost 3 years now 😆Leo is still waiting for updated information regarding the processors specifically, so we don't have anything new to share with you yet :)
@@KitGuruTech
Performance is ok, but its not much ofe forward over previous gen at all a mov
At least with all the blingy hardware you can turn the RGB off. I really am getting sick of RGB, might run a system with a solid low glow single color
Yes most times you can just switch it all off if you want.
I remember that launch with fondness. So many problems makes me look back and smile.
lol 😂
If I build this myself, how much money would I save compared to the pre built option? Is there usually a worthy difference?
Is that the only game you couldnt get to work Mat? All the others were stable enough?
Yes. That was the only issue I encountered during testing
Do they look after customers if for instance the intel CPU was to die in a few years?
We rate PCS. And have a lot of customers who have sent us messages over the last 10 years.
Do you have a warranty from the store where you bought the CPU? Yes? Then why worry? If anything goes wrong, you get a replacement immediately or a refund. At least that's how things work in the EU.
"I used to be an Intel fanboy, until I took an arrow to the socket"
And are these worth buying? Core Ultra was flaky on launch - I had hoped you guys might follow up with analysis of end of year performance as it stands.
The only real issue I encountered with the system was Space Marine 2 failing to launch
Mat
Shame that timewarp lighting isnt an option.
Performance is ok, but its not much of a move forward over previous gen at all
I stopped building my own systems 2 years ago - 1, for a lack of time, and 2, I want a 3 year warranty and to know if the system stops working I can make a call and the company involved sort it
If PCS create something like this for similar money with a 9800X3D then I might be interested to get extended warranty terms - I will go check their website
I am LOVING my 265K I am getting more FPS than I did in my 13700K and runs and feels smoother than my 14900k(I had a bad 14900K to be fair).
Wonder how much extra performance is going to be unlocked via OS and BIOS updates.
Not enough 😂
I have never built an AMD system, I’ve been rocking with Intel DIY since Skylake, and had a PC with Pentium and 286/486 and Core Duo before. But until Intel gets its sh*t together I’m done with them. No arrow lake for me. We don’t even know if the next Lake will be supported on z890. My next build will likely be a small form factor zenx3d.
Did any other games crash? Did you try many?
Hey Leo, whats the current situation after your Hallock story?
We’re still waiting for updates on the situation from Intel
Mat
very good, at least you have warranty if it goes t!ts up - and its intel, thats likely to happen
One of the biggest benefits of buying a prebuilt to be fair
Mat
Space marine is my favourite game, what a bummer intel have issues with that title, still seems Intel are some way off having a stable platform
What exactly about that memory can you 3d print? Da you have to own a 3d printer or will they 3d print it for you?
The top bars www.corsair.com/uk/en/explorer/diy-builder/memory/3d-print-your-own-top-bars/
Good review Mat, but I am moving to AMD this time
Thanks - Can't say I blame you to be honest, I'm also running AMD in my PC
Mat
I think its been the year of AMD - they are so far ahead in all sectors, its unbelievable really
Are they? Intel outperforms them by 2x in productivity at the same price.
@@derbigpr500 Yeah!
This thing has a shed load of cooling! Cant see it ever getting hot.
Cant believe you’re getting BSOD while installing a game. Are we back in 1995 or something?
850 is enough?
I think buy 1000wtts for 265k + 4060 and update gpu in future
good they didnt cut corners with the fans and some of the hardware selection is very good, would never buy a prebuilt system, i love building my own - but would go for AMD every time now
Really dropped the ball on this one imo. We should have had cpu reviews long ago from Leo. If the reviews come out march no one will care at that point.
Can't review equipment that Intel confirms is broken. Not in an intelligent way.
Do they install crapware? like norton or mcafee?
Good gaming system.
Intel's arrow lake processors have been such a letdown, this review just confirms my fears.
wow wasn’t expecting to see this before Leo gave his verdict on the core ultras. Intel are selling them. Been a few months. Is the situation any better now ? PCs seem to have sorted them. 😮
We’re still waiting for updates and more information from Intel
Mat
That thing is literally packed with RGB.
It depends what you're doing with computer 🖥
Gets quite loud under load based on your sound test.
Horrible fan profile. If I had to guess, blasting the fans on the aio makes no meaningful difference over running them 1200-1300rpm.
NZXT, EKWB, INTEL - its been the year of GN expose - wouldnt touch any of these brands with a 12 foot pole
Leo let me down a bit, I think a review now is valid, its December 2024 - seeing less reviews from him this year :(
We’re still waiting on updates ourselves
Mat
Looks ok, its intel however, who cares now?!
It's expensive, not ridiculously so but still the barrier to entry for decent PC gaming is about 5 times a PS5 gaming console. Going to need a bit of klarna for that.
Yes but think about all that PC gaming goodness.
I think to get long term warranty with the system working , its crticial now, its why I didnt build my last system after my intel CPU failed in 9 months I had no support from anyone and lost £500
Wishing Leo would do something with this range of processors, we have very little good data from good UK tech channels just a lot of paid for BS
Intel says that the chips and boards will all be changing, so reviewing the early stuff would have been a waste of time.
This is way overpriced for what you get - by at least 200 bucks
if it doesnt start a game (newly released game - not because game is not finished) then its an automatic no no - shouldn't be advertised or sold in the first place to be honest at any price
Well I get the point and I wouldn’t buy intel myself but I’ve had game issues before myself.
I think the way Intel have been treating customers this year has been shocking, its a poor reflection of such an iconic brand. moved to AMD recently myself
Its a pretty good looking system but I cant help feel that Intel are on the way out. its not like its a bad system, but so much has went on in the last year
Needs to come with an RTX 4080.
Well it looks someway better than launch time - was hoping Leo might have even given us an update by now.