I find it amusing how they were vague about the "incident" but were quick to say it was a female crew member just to make it seem like it was some kind of secsual assault.
They were quick to say that because everybody was saying that it was because of something that happened between him and the Israeli contestant and clearly, that was not the case and rumours had to be stopped.
He had one boundary, not being filmed when leaving the stage and going backstage after the final emotional bit of singing for him about losing his parents at a young age. The woman ignored it every time and was rude. He just pushed a camera away nothing happend to the lady.... EBU is not right in the head.
Do you have something that supports this claim? Not trying to say that I don't believe you, but there are so many conflicting opinions it's hard to make something out of it.
I agree. It's an incredibly big contest with lots of press and the pressure on these artists going into Eurovision is high. Most of them are just famous in their own countries and it's the first time dealing with big audiences. They should make an effort to help artists manage this. By making sure their space is respected.
@@jozefien.n If it was the first time she had filmed him, then and there, it would be different, but it was the third(?) time she did it after he told her twice(?) he didn't want that... What I understand from the Dutch media, is that she filmed him, the first time, last week during rehearsals, right after coming off of the stage, just after the emotional part(for him at least (the death of his parents) of his performance, he didn't want to be filmed right after that, and she did it again after he told her not to do that, and then after the third time he pushed her phone away... So basically you could take out a country's artist(s) by making a complaint, true or falls, doesn't matter... So yeah, it's a real shame for one of the favorites to go out like this...
@@JoséHugo-b8z it was kind of confirmed by eurovision. he never hit her. SHE was harassing him, bugging him for a video and he replied no multiple times, she continued to harass him. there were witnesses of this.
@@JoséHugo-b8zIt was confirmed just so you know that he didn't even touch anyone and that the maximum he can receive is a fine. Also, it isn't him who said that, but Avrotros.
How dare they do dat?? So rude!!! But if it was a person leaning to the right in this excact same situation hé would be cancelled. The narrative would be, Hé touched her 😂
@@vulturevulture1426 Which is absolute nonsense. It is not even being used by the police a few hours after the event. They can publish at any time if they would like to call themselves transparent. But they are not, because this is all political motivated. They used Joost to deflect from the Palestinian issue, which apparently worked. This was a political motivated attack, for sure.
This is not about a camara woman, it's about deflection of the attention the Palestinian protesters were getting. The EBU and SVT are politically manipulating the outcome of the contest, because of money. Moroccan Oil is not Moroccan at all, it's Israeli. And that's the real cause of what's going on. This is politics on the highest level!
EBU made a big mistake by disqualifying the Netherlands. Big. HUGE. Joost didn't do anything wrong, it is quite the opposite; The camera woman was harassing Joost. Joost did NOT touch her. The camera woman kept filming him, even while this is in breech of EBU's contract with the artist not to film backstage. Joost asked her twice to stop filming and she kept filming him, so he made a gesture to the camera not even to the camera woman! EBU disqualifying Joost is like victim blaming and so not right. I hope justice will be served and there will be pressed charges against the EBU and their camera woman. Joost, you are in our hearts and everyone knows you were the public's choice. No one can take that away from you, Joost! Eurovision should apologize to Joost and also publicly for what they have so unrightfully done to Joost. Disqualifying him is not right, just not right...
Not only Joost is unlawfully punished here. The whole crew, the dutch broadcaster, and fans are punished withhout an explanation or proof. This is how they are do things in Sweden. Everyone there is acting like it is completely normal. What about mediation or just a warning?
Actually, they offered EBU several options. One option was that Joost would apologise publicly for his 'threatening move'. But it was not an option. And that, while AvroTros organized the Eurovision two years ago during the difficult Covid era. That while AT is a major financial contributor to Eurovision. It's insane.
@@Markiboy3 Neither have you, so hold your horses senator McCarthy. Joost Klein did no wrong: EBU anxiously refuses to release the only proof that could indicate otherwise.
@@Markiboy3 Have you seen the incident? No? Didn't? Weird... We do have had several spokespersons speak out about it. Including the police. The only party not speeking up is the EBU so its up to them to proof it. Simple right?
Dutch here: What happened has come out. Joost had made an agreement that directly after his performance he was not to be put on video. To give him a bit of a pause / breathing room this because he goes through a lot of emotion. Later he attends camera / video. There was a woman who had been bothering him from before with a camera. That day she was bothering him once again. He repeatedly ask her to stop filming her. Then when she did not, he went to the camera and much like some police do put his hand to the camera. I believe he tried to lower the camera. This is the story, this is what officially transpired. It is ridicules the situation.
@@parpettersson1905 An official statement has come out from the AvroTros. You can find it when looking up "AvroTros in verklaring: dit is wat Joost Klein gedaan heeft" Let me be clear: Official statements are not just made. If such a statement, with such words are made. This is a serious matter, as someone is representing a nation. So you do not speak lightly on such matters. That is all I have to say about it.
If Joost Klein is found not guilty of doing anything to her. This 1 woman has done some unimaginable emotional damage to Joost Klein. Joost has said multiple times that partaking in Eurovision would feel like closure for the death of his parents. He also ends his song on this heartfelt message. So she's done great emotional damage, which can easily be proven. That together with the fact that AVROTROS, the dutch broadcasting network, suffered a staggering loss in viewers. Plus she single handedly hurt the pride and ruined the night of a nation. I say this woman has a colossal defamation lawsuit coming her way.
A key aspect was, that the area where she filmed was a "no filming" area. The Dutch said that in theire statement, she filmed in an area where filming was not allowed and Joost did not want to get filmed which she ignored. The EBU handled this very poorly.
@@Markiboy3 If someone says no. Then stop. No is no. But I suppose you support rapists as well? Since that's your logic. "Aggression is not okay after someone said no."
@@Markiboy3 Why do you speak out in favour of a criminal harasser and bully like that camerawoman, and viciously attack a victim like Joost Klein? Have you learned nothing from MeToo? Are you a relative of the perpetrator? Because literally only the perpetrator and Östendahl see it her way. Everybody else supports the victim.
Kicked out because of a Zero Tolerance policy, while they (ebu) should have created a safe environment for the artist, and protect him from the harassment of the camerawoman (with mobille phone?). Complete and utter incompetence but wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing has been planned just to neutralize the artist because of being critical to the organisation. The EBU has in fact disqualified itself during this festival. "United by music" ? Not.
If EBU really had a zero tolerance policy, there wouldn't have been a camerawoman backstage. EBU broke their part of the agreement leading up to this issue.
I think the crew member should be fired or at least have some consequences for disrespect to an artist, insubordination, and unprofessionalism, because she was asked to stop filming and didn't, and on top of that she also filmed him when she was told not to WAIT THIS BLEW UP WHAT-
Bassiclly, she got a national contestant (3rd in audience presence) instantly disqualified over a 'threatening' move towards her rolling camera. This. Even after an agreement with EBU was made specifically not to film Joost right after the performance since it had quitte an emotional ending bit. And still. This happend. And they never took it to trial or court still!! If i were Joost i'd sue the EBU for a massive sum. He's & Netherlands as a whole has been SO wronged by this its insane. But oh well... Europapa jajaja "divided by media."
I find it great to see people from other countries who agree with this decision. I agree with what Eurovision did and I know a lot of people who think the same.
@@RemseyYT oh.. that's kind of embarrassing.... So, by your logic, I can't agree with the disqualification because because I was not there (not that you know if I was or was not but that is irrelevant). But you can agree that it was unfair, when you were probably not there either. Rules apply to me but rules don't apply to you, eh?
By disqualifying Joost from participating in the final, the EBU declared him guilty even before the police investigation was completed. How is that decent and morally good behaviour.... Besides, if this anonymous camerawoman had simply respected other people's boundaries (something she herself, as a woman, probably shouts the loudest in life... hashtag metoo), none of this would have even happened. How is that decent and morally good behavior.
if joost is indeed innocent then i can say that as a feminist she makes us look bad and i'm ashamed of her. joost did not deserve this. i'm very disappointed :(
@@DiamoondustI’ve seen too many people unnecessarily involving Israel in here😭💀 they want to hear nothing said about her yet keep bringing it up themselves in the most random places
This camera person was repeatedly asked not to film and kept doing it against the agreements made. She was harrassing Joost with her camera and violated his private space by doing so. Now, he may have reacted unwisely at some point but I feel that a safe working environment is created together. On top of that, even if he did react in an unprofessional way, a reprimand would've been enough, but the EBU decided to cancel him out of fear of repercussions for themselves. And now their decision means that there is a new road created to influence the contest in an unprecedented way, because apparently you can get someone cancelled by filing a complaint and the EBU overreacting. ' Just think of making a mistake at work and your boss just firing you over it, before the investigation is completed to find out whether or not you crossed any legal boundaries.
I wonder if this is not a case of sexism. They immediately sided with her just because she's a woman complaining against a man. I am not even a Joost or "Europapa" fan, but I agree with the disqualification being disproportionate and utterly unfair.
Sweden seems to be very touchy when it comes to intimidation and aggression towards women. I've read they started a national action plan for this in 2022. Of course this is speculation on my part.
Agreed, joost was devastated by the disqualification. He was willing to apologise in front of a camera, even if he did nothing wrong. But now that the cat is out of the bag and he was unjustly accusrd and punished, the camera woman was never asked to apologise to him. She took wverything away from him, trampled on his lifelong dream and added to his trauma.
It totally is sexism. Like ten minutes ago women really struggled in society but now we just have to say a man looked at us weird and he's effed. I hate it.
no, it isn't. Eurovision did the right thing and acted promptly and professionally. now we can know that Eurovision performers won't make any threats or have any kind of abusive attitude anymore, without risking to be disqualified. Joost had no right to display such behavior and to threaten anyone, no matter how annoyed he might have been by their presence. an Eurovision contester can't do that and expect no consequences. he only had the right to make legal complains for whatever he thought was any breach of contract, and deal with the problem in a professional and civilized way, but, instead, he chose to do it his way... and that wasn't the only line he crossed, but he also cross it with the Eden from Israel, at the press conference, when he jumped on her verbally, without being his business, and tried to provoke and to compel her to answer to a provocative and political question.
The incident unfolded at a highly emotional time for Joost. At the end of his performance, he saluted his father, a gesture that moved him to tears. Understanding the sensitivity of the moment, Joost had previously requested not to be filmed as he left the stage. However, after his semi-finals performance, a camerawoman continued to film him despite his repeated requests to stop. Overwhelmed and seeking privacy, Joost made a gesture towards the camera to insist she cease filming, although he made no physical contact with her. The camerawoman, perhaps feeling personally affronted, chose to file a complaint. The decision by the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) to withhold footage of Joost's alleged "threatening movement" has only fueled further speculation and confusion. Releasing this footage could have clarified the situation, potentially exonerating the artist and demonstrating that the decision to disqualify him was unrelated to this incident. Instead, it appears the disqualification may be tied more closely to Joost's controversial remark about Israels participation in the song contest. During a press conference, a Polish journalist asked the Israeli contestant, Golan, whether she thought her participation might pose a security risk to others, given Israel's ongoing military actions in Gaza, referencing the pro-Palestinian rallies in Malmo during the Eurovision Song Contest. Swedish presenter Jovan Radomir quickly intervened, informing Golan that she doesn't have to answer this question. It was at this moment that Joost Klein, interjected with a simple "Why not?", that challenged the avoidance of this delicate subject. This indicated his support for transparency and dialogue on difficult topics. His disqualification followed shortly after this interaction, not immediately after the alleged threatening gesture made days earlier toward a crew member. Additionally, if a formal complaint has been filed with Swedish police, the EBU should have allowed the legal process to conclude before taking action. Presuming innocence until proven guilty is a fundamental principle that should have guided their actions.
@@TheAllMightyGodofCod Nobody has seen the footage so we don’t know how ‘bad’ the threatening was. But he never touched her, he just made a ‘threatening’ move towards the camera. I would assume - just like many others - he made a gesture to make her stop filming and following him. But overall, I think we could all agree on the fact that this is a very harsh way to disqualify someone just a few hours before the Eurovision finals. I hope he’s hanging in there, he has been through so much. He deserved it to be there.
9/10 people do. this was an incredibly disproportionate response. unless something isn't revealed, he didn't deserve to have this happen to him.@@TheAllMightyGodofCod
Both the EBU and that woman should be sued. Nowadays everyone is so quickly triggered and disqualifying a country because of an incident like that is ridiculous.
Joost was disqualified because the ebu broke agreements and harrassed the aetist they were supposed to protect. And then punished the artist for the ebu failure. ESC just died. Ebu needs to get sued big time
@@Markiboy3 statements by the Dutch officials that there were agreements in place with the ebu that artists would not be filmed from the stage to the green room. Yet a camera from the ebu was there and wouldn't stop although asked 4 times.
The EBU has to protect their staff first, artists second. Joost wasn't the one assaulted. His actions completely throw out anything that lead up to them.
@@BineroBE Joost assaulted no one. The ebu was responsible for keeping cameras away. Instead they send a camera backstage to harass. And have you seen the footage made by that camera woman? I don't know anybody has so far... Strange isn't it? Might the corrupt ebu be telling lies again?
Thank you EBU for destroying someone’s childhood dream. I hope you feel proud of what you did. I hope you will sleep well at night, knowing that you purposely did him wrong when all he asked for was that his personal space be acknowledged and that his privacy be respected. You not only deliberately shattered his life’s dream into pieces but you also crushed his hope. If that wasn’t enough, you hurt the feelings of fans from all around the world. You took away all their joy and happiness and replaced them with a lot of emotional pain, trauma and confusion. And for the people of The Netherlands who were really excited and enthusiastic about their entry this year, this was a direct stab in the heart. On top of that, you also had to twist and turn the knife just so you could punish and humiliate the whole nation. They absolutely did not deserve this miscarriage of justice. Luckily, the Dutch are known to be resilient and with time I’m sure they will survive this devastation. If anything, this will only make them stronger. You may have unjustly disqualified Joost from the competition, but in our hearts and minds, he will always be our hero and our winner. EBU, it’s time for you to do some self-reflection. Look at yourself in the mirror. Can you even smile at yourself after deliberately creating all these mess and causing a lot of pain to others just because you could? Do you even recognize yourself in the mirror?
Apolitical or non-political events or organisations are always pro status quo/conservative and, similarly, promoting the mainstream attitudes or opinions. You are unable not to communicate.
@@Markiboy3 what could Joost have done that would actually have suck drastic impact that police would be involved, she just really got it wrong and then went to police, he didn't do anything
@@Markiboy3 yeah, this is a emotional moment for him and he told them he didn't want camera's around him, if you can't follow such a simple task that can mean so much to him you are not worthy of his respect either, he promised his dad that he would do this and the EBU took it from him, he had a very big chance to win
He stepped up to being harrassed by a woman breaking the songfestival rules, he didnt even touch her, just made a gesture, and got kicked out for nothing! Incredibly sexist move by EBU, mens boundaries are never respected in this day and age! We are always the agressors, even if we are victims!
I have been through narcisst abuse and this is how narcisst do..they do all horrible things to get reaction from you to the get power over u and shame you for not behaving well..while they started it all..this was made on purpose..the woman might even be a foreign spy..i wanna know more of her now! Lets know all about this possible narcisst photographer. Who she knows? Who hired her? Joost could have win it all! Someone made sure it didnt happen. If I were Joost I would buddy with Käärijä to make song together and then come back even stronger.
probably, it will not happen. probably the dutch won't join next year. and its posible the won't join at all in any time soon. the dutch are pretty pissed.
@@marcelschellekens6386I can imagine after this nobody will be jumping from excitement to join next year either. As a Dutch person I personally am completely done with Eurovision at this point. What they did this year was absolutely unforgivable. Joost Klein is a national treasure. He was working to make his parents proud, who both passed away when he was a child. They robbed him of his dream. They robbed him of feeling like he avenged his parents. There is absolutely nothing the EBU could say at this point that would make this situation okay. I believe Eurovision has lost the Netherlands for a while.
Unfortunately it's not how we do things. Justice must prevail first. Still, I'm over the moon with Nemo's win. He was on fire. Congratulations Switzerland. Well deserved.
Der Holländer wurde gerippt. Nein heißt Nein. Hat die Kamerafrau anscheinend nicht verstanden. Hoffe das es zu Schadenersatz in Myriardenhöhe kommt. Das war Schiebung.
@@Plueschfuchs Die Niederlande ist einzahlenter Vertragspartner. Dem Künstler wurde eventuell eine Weltkarriere, durch eine agressive übergriffige Kamerafrau verwehrt. Ob dieses Verhalten poltisch motiviert sein könnte muss hier auch noch geklärt werden. Wer steckt dahinter und was waren die wahren Beweggründe? Das muss gerichtlich geklärt werden. Schwamm drüber, Pech gehabt, kann es doch nicht sein?
Als ob er Chancen auf den Sieg gehabt hätte. Durch die Kontroverse bekommt er jetzt deutlich mehr aufmerksamkeit, als er im Finale bekommen hätte. Wird seiner Karriere wohl auftrieb geben.
Joost Klein, as the artist who was quite likely to win, has huge losses in this affair : reputation, lucrative contracts, probably damages to AVRO/TROS, etc… If he takes this to court, chances are he is ellegible for a huge financial settlement.
why does everybody mention "female" with such emphasis bruh. Would it be a difference if something happened to a male team member? Probably lmao no one would've cared I'm guessing
I don't think they care to begin with. Clearly inappropriate, he just waved his hand at her direction, not touching her, or her massive camera pointed at him.
I think from the beginning EBU was afraid Joost was steeling “their” show looking at number of views Europapa was getting on UA-cam… It started to smell bad when they decided to have Joost singing last in the semifinal thus the public had less time and money to vote for him… Still, he came out second, one vote less then the Switzerland representative… The problem was getting serious. Something had to be done to stop Joost from becoming Eurovision 2024 public winner. And then, the mysterious “incident” happened…. 🤔🤔 Hope Martin Österdhal gets kicked out.🤞🤞
What should have happened if everyone here was a well adjusted adult: - If the EBU ordered the camerawoman to do what she did Joost should apologize to the women for being aggressive and the EBU should apologize for breaking Joosts boundaries and putting the camera women in a bad spot. - If the camera women acted on her own she should apologize to Joost for breaking his boundaries and Joost may feel it is right to apologize back for being overly aggressive, if he wants to. The EBU should apologize to Joost for not keeping staff in check and the camera women needs a talking to, or moved to another position. What happened: The EBU heared that Joost was being agressive towards a camerawomen, and somewhere on a document is says that any artist being aggressive towards staff gets disqualified. Now Joost got disqualified for defending his boundries, which were broken due to the EBUs mistake or lack of control over their own staff. What was the whole day long hearing and the police getting involved for if they weren't gonna handle it like adults?
You are leaving out the part that there was an agreement that he would not be filmed off stage and that she was told multiple times not to film, but kept on doing so. A safe work environment goes for everybody and she was in violation. The EBU is in the wrong in any way you look at this. They are protecting a criminal. Joost is just a lam for slaughter. What really is going on is that they needed deflection from the Palestinian protests ,which were broadcast all over the world and hurting their main sponsor: Moroccan Oil, which is not Moroccan at all, but Israeli. This is all about politics and money and has actually nothing to do with Joost himself. The 'police' things was just a joke. They have nothing. Although I bet they'll 'find' something.
AvroTros said he made a threatening movement toward the camera of the woman that had been repeatedly harassed him. they went on to explain that Joost had asked the woman not to film him when coming off stage because the final lines cause him to relive past trauma every time. She had done so repeatedly.
@@littlecatfeet9064for real. You bring a song to Eurovision, you’re in the finals, you should expect to have every moment captured. If it’s so traumatic, create a different song, or don’t show up. Contestants should expect that if they fart, the public knows. It’s how this thing works. He made himself super known, made his opinions known, made himself a bit of a hot topic by his behavior in the press releases and otherwise ( popularity isn’t up to him). All he had to do is behave, and he couldn’t.
@@littlecatfeet9064 Right. So no artist ever should ever perform anything that touches them personally? Because giving someone some space as was agreed upon is too much? Also, Joost is an established artist. He's well past his fifteen minutes of fame.
@@PixTax 170 million people watching and it’s a media circus so no, he shouldn’t have expected such a level of privacy at all. How come this didn’t happen to any other contestant? The Israeli entrant dealt with mass protests, being booed and rude questions from the media and still displayed grace under pressure. He doesn’t get a special pass. Now if he actually didn’t do anything that’s another matter but you’re saying he has a right to behave badly.
They don't wanna let politics get in the way and let Israel participate, yet didn't let Russia participate the other year because of politics. Which is it Eurovision?
As a Dutch person I’m gonna have to say: Joost never stop and give up you don’t have to make Europe happy you already made the Netherlands happy and that’s really good 😊. So keep going for new songs and publish them.
He was surely judge by his enemy because the investigation is on going but EBU declared him guilty and dsq him. Some press members from a particular country, also harassed and recorded some other delegations, and EBU did nothing on this matter.
Press members are not contestants. He was disqualified because he, personally, did it. You can't disqualify someone because of what a non team member does and you perfectly know that but you are ignoring it because it suits your needs.
@@TheAllMightyGodofCod She also said she and her team all "cried when they heard Israel qualified for the final". I really don't get it. She knew Israel would be competing months before. If this was so important to her, she could have quit herself. Then she had a complete meltdown after Israel finished one place above her, and cursed the EBU. When I know an event will be attended by people I despise, I either skip it or I go and I act professionally and maturely.
We need to get to know the name of that female employee, let's investigate her connection to any other participants or orders from the EDU to harass the Dutch participant.
There's a name going around. I'm not sure if it's true, so I won't mention it, but they say it's the writer of Hurricane and it wasn't a professional camera, but her cell phone that she was filming/taking photos with. So I doubt she was supposed to be there. But either way, I don't know if it was her. The fact that she was not respecting the no filming agreement, then after being asked to stop several times, didn't respect that and after what happened next didn't want to discuss the matter with the Dutch crew nor Joost himself, says a lot. But in the end the truth with come to the surface.
@@barbarabreunis7788 Keren Peles. Since Joost has been prosecuted by the EBU before found guilty, we can also mention her name before it has been proven I guess?
Public opinion and votes are the keys for real victory of this show. No more the Juries or would be soon no more next Eurovisions in our future. Simple as that!
@@Markiboy3 But he is NOT Guilty ! That camera woman harrassed him, he asked her to stop and she refused ! If you asked someone to not film you in private and they filmes you, how would you have felt ?? Anyway, he is not i n Sweden now, so, if he were guilty of something then he would have had to remain in sweden ! I hope the ebu suffer for this, he was harrassed, simple as that !
He made it clear that he didn’t want her to invade his privacy, that’s all, he never touched her or had done any sort of assault, I want justice for Joost hope he is doing well and can rejoin Eurovision.
@@shloopy5 He was banned to deflect from the Palestinian protests. This is all a political setup. The Songfestival is being paid by Moroccan Oil, which is not Moroccan at all, but Israeli. He didn't do anything to her, she was the one in violation or do you blame victims of rape as well? He had every right to protect his own space, which was agreed upon in advance and she was told multiple times about. She deliberately violated that agreement to create a scene.
Since when did they ban EU flags?💀 that is just the cherry on top of all the chaos this year lol. It quite literally started as a European contest that is crazy
So sad the Netherlands was banned from the finals. The most "European" song since 1990's "In sieme, unite Europe". If it was in the finals it would had been a tight "battle" with (my) Croatia🇭🇷 and the Netherlands🇳🇱 And if it won against us, it would be fair deserved, unlike the actual winner 🇨🇭🍫🏔🐐
It's not called "Eurovision Song contest" for nothing. This is a European (EBU) event, so why on earth are countries that are outside of Europe (like Australia and Israel) allowed to participate? Australia was invited to participate in the song festival's 60th aniversary in 2015, but somehow they kept coming each year from then on.
Everyone that joins the European Broadcasting union can participate, and this has been the guideline for decades. Countries like Morocco and Turkey also competed in the past. There are other north African countries that are part of EBU that can participate, if they wanted to. Australia is actually the exception because they are not even part of the EBU.
It's utterly ridiculous that the EBU pretends there is 'no room for politics' while over the last decades the Eurovision Song Contest has devolved into exactly that. On top of that, their own decisions are nothing but politically motivated. The hypocrisy is painful. By the way, the Netherlands should just send Joost to the contest next year with exactly the same song. It would be hilarious to see him win and slap down the EBU's arrogance in the process.
The Dutch contested had a question to the Israeli contestant during the press conference and that is why he has been banned. After all there is no free speech in the highly commercial Eurovision.
I can imagine the woman deleted the footage - either under pressure from Joost or because she dang well knows her complaint is complete and utter bullsh*t
This is unbelievable and unacceptable! If he doesn’t want to be filmed, it is his full right ! Certainly after an emotional moment in remembering his papa and mama❤!
In order to participate in the contest, a country has to be an active member of the European Broadcasting Union, which organizes Eurovision, so eligibility is not solely dependent on geography. They should change the name to Political Broadcasting Union because it's not about the music.
It, again, shows that the EBU is a controversial body by itself. It was agreed upon that there would be no filming of mr. Klein after the song. The woman in question however did film and after having told here several times not to, mr. Klein reacted. That's called human behavior. Lets just stop with this horror called ESC. Once a nice institute where countries, in their own language, sang a nice song. Often with music typical for their country. Now it's a commercial hodgepodge.
@@Markiboy3 By whom? We don't yet know all that happened. Lets wait what the woman has to say as well. So far we heard from the Dutch + some people who were near the incident, but not from the woman herself.
What I find very confusing is how all parties involved haven’t exactly given real evidence for their claims. A police investigation sounds really serious but a „threatening move towards“ someone wouldn’t really justify that? And everyone posting about it tells the story a bit differently, adding information (where it happened, background or other rumors about his behavior). Personally if he did something wrong disqualification would be the right move but we don’t know that yet. So maybe they could have allowed him to compete and in the case of being guilty disqualified him later.
Fact of the matter remains that there was an agreement not to film him and that she had been told multiple times not to bother him. He was only protecting his personal space which was agreed upon. You don't go blaming rape victims for being raped do you? She is the one in violation, whatever you make of it and the EBU cannot wipe themselves clean from this as they are in violation also. He had every right to defend his personal space, we give Ukraine even weapons to defend their own personal space. So this is a non issue. But in reality this is about deflecting from the attention the Palestinian protests were getting all over the world, which was hurting the main sponsor: Moroccan Oil, which is not Moroccan at all, but Israeli. The EBU is full of politics and the hunt for money. They are hypocrites and manipulators of the public.
This! A trophy can be retracted and given to the runner-up but forcing Joost to give up on his lifetime dream moment and tribute to his dead parents is unforgivable. That stolen, golden moment can never be given back. ☹️😢
Music without politics is basically lifeless. Politics is intertwined with human emotions essential to music. My heart goes out to Yoost, and his EuroPapa song unifies, not divides.
Oh believe the ebu just took the opportunity because they already wanted him out cause of what had been happening with a certain country. That same country's team had been harassing other artists including female artists and the ebu did nothing...in this case it wasn't the sexism
I got exact same idea. You nailed it! She cant hide behind anonimity after what she did to a star. Star is star because of his fans. This woman took such a big dream away from Joost is a crime!
The thing about not banning Israel because they “don’t want to get political” is so laughable because Russia has been barred for the EXACT same reasoning, the only difference between the two countries being Russia is actually a part or Europe
@@Markiboy3 Because someone claimed he did something wrong, it's still under investigation, does not mean he indeed did something wrong. Police did make a statement that there was no physical violence
I am still struggling to understand why the European Broadcasting Union could ban Russia in 2022 after it invaded Ukraine but said that it could not ban israel for invading Gaza in 2023. What double standard and hypocrisy is that?
@@branc2658 To be factually yes. All of them. I am not so sure if a peace agreement was ever signed. At least Israel never kept to the Oslo accords, but that was with the PLO. It would be nice if there would be peace there one day, but neither of the criminals in charge wants it. In the mean time everyone suffers (including Israeli)
@@branc2658no they only killed over 14.000 children as a revenge. Ukraine hasn’t killed one Russian child. There are different ways to react on a horrible attack… When you choose te react that aggressive and killed so much children… why also coming to a music party? Like nothing is happening 😢
You managed to protect the Israeli team from all negative questions, yet why did you allow such a question to be asked to Joost, and then disqualify him for his reaction? Why don't you even publish the footage? Is this double standard because the Netherlands is not the main sponsor of Eurovision? You were so unjust that you even feared announcing the Netherlands' elimination during the show. The Netherlands should definitely file a lawsuit for compensation
The Israeli singer was asked (well, it was more of a statement) if she feels guilty for endangering everyone else with her presence. I would say that's a pretty negative question. And she answered the question, you can find it online. The Greek singer was also exaggeratedly yawning and pretending to fall asleep when the Israeli singer answered questions. The Irish singer was also very hostile towards the Israeli girl. And not to talk about the insane disrespect the Israeli received, repeatedly, when performing. You are really blind if you don't see how the EBU failed to handle the nasty treatment she got. If they decided Israel can compete, they should have made sure the environment was safe and respectful to the artist.
What really happened is still quite vague. But this punishment is far too severe given the "facts". The Netherlands must withdraw from this circus as a protest.
I see lots of opinions over an incident that is vaguely described and we didn't witness. I hope we get more information, and then I will have my opinion.
@@Markiboy3 Nonsense. After they watched the footage they could deside. All other steps could be taken after their decision. I think they could not agree what to decide.
@@Markiboy3 No they THINK he broke them, it's up to a judge to deside on that. It is absolutly not irrelevant because if the judge decides he is not guilty they robbed him of a chance to win
@@Markiboy3 Poor you for still not understanding. Info from where? Nothing more then speculations. The police statement says there was no physical harm. You want me to believe the police were lying? ha
Basically what happened (from what I know): A cameraWOMAN was filming Mr. Klein without permission in a NO FILMING zone and HE allegedly stomped HIS foot towards HER after telling HER to stop TWICE, not on HER.
@@Markiboy3 😂😂 yes isn’t it? Very minor! Actually, no crime was committed. Justice for Joost this is not over yet 🇳🇱❤️ Europapa. He will be back next year and win it.
If what you say was true, israel would have won, since the main sponsor is part Israeli company. Just admit that you have a heart full of hate and call it a day.
Honestly, sack Österdahl. Literally everything with this eurovision is sketchy af. This guy getting disqualified for no reason and the fact that Switzerland got suspiciously many twelves yesterday (almost worse than ukraine last year).
It seems that the camera woman had dislike towards him therefore acting disrespectfully. She then rejected any way of a "settlement" so it seems that she knew exactly what she was doing.
To be that crew member and be responsible for a country not being represented because of you. I hope "the incident" was serious enough for her to live with the consequences of being responsible for that. Esp. if she has been provoking him...
I know the internet is what it is, but we literally know one side of the story and that's it. Looking at this logically, the EBU has previously gone above and beyond for artists to be able to compete and kicking them out is a very last resort decision. It does not benefit them nor their reputation in any way to do this without a valid reason. I have heard a different story about what took place, by several workers at the arena but that story is not mine to tell. Hopefully the alledged victim will come out and share their version.
4:55 The Israeli contestant didn't actually say that. It was someone from production that called out that she didn't have to answer the question whether her being there might pose a safety risk to other contenders. Either way, Russia being banned whether you agree or not already proves that this "contest" is anything but apolitical and of course everybody knows where the 12 points from Greece go to, every single year.
i think it would be interesting how the voting would look like if netherland was in. Cause i think that the results for Switzerland would look different for about 50-100 points?
I'm not even a big fan of Eurovision. Or even of Joost Klein. I find him kind of obnoxious. But! What happened there is absolutely ridiculous. The perfect symptom of todays culture, actually. Great way to unite the continent.
Israel attacked as retaliation to the brutal massacre Hamas committed. The fact that you can't differentiate the two conflicts shows a total lack of critical thinking skills.
Russia initiated an attack on a sovereign country (Ukraine). The elected government of Gaza (Hamas) initiated an attack on a sovereign country (Israel). See the difference?
@elastrorey5722 Nobody here is judging what Hamas did, it was horrendous and still they have prisoners. The issue here is the response from Israel. You said that their response was to also "attack" but what are they actually doing is to erase Palestine from the map. So, where is the line that determines what is legitimate to do and what not to do when somebody attack you?
@@elastrorey5722 The mass killing of tens of thousands of civilians in revenge for a Hamas attack is a reprehensible war crime. Gaza should also be excluded from Eurovision as long as Hamas rules there.
What a circus, a festival of tacky bad taste music with winners always being politically chosen. And people get so wound up as if it was actually important.
"Is politics stealing the show" their government is literally committing crimes against humanity on a grand scale against Palestinians. Acting like their exclusion from this event is just some petty politics is such a ridiculous injustice. We all have a duty to call out and act appropriately towards crimes this large.
agree but also cant make peace with just allies. imo russia should be here but apparently they withdrawled themselves rather than got banned. isreal shouldnt be there purely cause its not europe imo
Everyone has an absolute duty to fact check for themselves and so should you. You are accepting the accusations of genocide because everyone says so. Come on now. Do some independent research and find the actual statistics and true facts on Israel and Palestine before you join the crowd like a sheep!
@@JadeFromHolland I've done plenty to inform myself on what's going on. I've also listened to the genocidal language used against Palestinians, that have all been thoroughly demonized as Hamas, by the Israeli government. You have to be incredibly cruel or willfully ignorant to not see this for what it is if you're paying attention and understand how we got here. Nice projection, you're the sheep, all you're doing is helping enable age old systems of oppression, division, and "othering" that leads to violence and keeps it going.
@@OsirusHandle What ridiculous reasoning. Russia invades a European country, and could easily be argued as a part of Asia, but you'd include them, but not Israel because of geography... I sincerely hope you're never in charge of making consequential moral decisions.
@janeslater8004 Yes, you are correct. I don't think I made the point clear enough. DW made it sound as if she said, "You don't have to answer the question if you do not want too" Rather, that was the KAN representative next to her that made that statement. The Netherlands singer rudely interjected, "Why not?" The KAN representative then said "you can answer if you want to" and Eden, with grace, answered the question.
I think he was already a threat to winner in Malmo, before even he was declared in grand finale. Europapa should be a real winner of Eurosong in 2024. Simple as that! Be saluted!
The Eurovision is a huge joke, firstly they cancelling Eurovision, when Little Big of Russia getting a huge popularity and cancelling that year, preventing Russia of winning. Then they cancelling Russia because of politics. Then they cancelled this guy, who WAS winning as well. Screw this crappy contest, which is delusional.
He has the last laugh, he is trending, just did a big gig in Canada is performing at Pinkop and is generally doing better then the actual winner of eurovision. He is still in the top of the charts in many countries even got to 14 in the US. Thank you EBU and oh there is a petition to send him next year as well
Israel sunger never said " I can not comment in that" It was the press organizer that said " You do not need to answer that" But she did anyhow answer that. WHY DISTORT THE TRUTH?
The truth is that she was intending to pass the question, but the ‘’why not’’ challenge, forced her to answer. She may be ok with it but I bet her team was not.
I find it amusing how they were vague about the "incident" but were quick to say it was a female crew member just to make it seem like it was some kind of secsual assault.
My problem with there statement as well! Why even mentioning the gender of the crew member involved? That should not be relevant at this point.
They were quick to say that because everybody was saying that it was because of something that happened between him and the Israeli contestant and clearly, that was not the case and rumours had to be stopped.
Yes they left room for speculation too long.
Word, me and my wife automatically thought that.
Misandry sells
Disqualifying the only song who was singing about Europe and Uniting. The foolishness is limitless 🇪🇺
True
the disqualification of a singer who supports russia and terrorists - is great
This, and once he has settled the case or is proven not guilty, the EBU will be scarred for the forseeable future.
🇳🇱 ❤️
what he did at the press conference had nothing to do with uniting. singeling out the israeli contestant.
He had one boundary, not being filmed when leaving the stage and going backstage after the final emotional bit of singing for him about losing his parents at a young age. The woman ignored it every time and was rude. He just pushed a camera away nothing happend to the lady.... EBU is not right in the head.
He didn't even touch the camera though. It's insane.
@@merg-vh5sx Conflicting reports on this.
@@devnull1013 Have you seen anything from an official source saying he did touch the camera? If yes please tell me where to find it.
How do you know? We didn't see it and what happend exactly?
Do you have something that supports this claim? Not trying to say that I don't believe you, but there are so many conflicting opinions it's hard to make something out of it.
Maybe the organizers should keep their crew a bit more professional??
I agree. It's an incredibly big contest with lots of press and the pressure on these artists going into Eurovision is high. Most of them are just famous in their own countries and it's the first time dealing with big audiences.
They should make an effort to help artists manage this. By making sure their space is respected.
@@jozefien.n If it was the first time she had filmed him, then and there, it would be different, but it was the third(?) time she did it after he told her twice(?) he didn't want that...
What I understand from the Dutch media, is that she filmed him, the first time, last week during rehearsals, right after coming off of the stage, just after the emotional part(for him at least (the death of his parents) of his performance, he didn't want to be filmed right after that, and she did it again after he told her not to do that, and then after the third time he pushed her phone away...
So basically you could take out a country's artist(s) by making a complaint, true or falls, doesn't matter...
So yeah, it's a real shame for one of the favorites to go out like this...
Bit of a Balance of Hosts would be Nice too.
A Man and a Woman?
Well...yes, but on the other hand: look at the "winner". Or at Irelands "singers". Can you call them "professional"?
@@StefanDannem huh what?
You call them not professional?
He never touched her, and she was violating his privacy he didn’t wanna be photograph. I don’t think they should’ve just qualified him for that.
How do u know? Were u in the room? Let the police investigate. He can’t be trusted over the female victim he harassed.
@@JoséHugo-b8z it was kind of confirmed by eurovision. he never hit her. SHE was harassing him, bugging him for a video and he replied no multiple times, she continued to harass him. there were witnesses of this.
@@JoséHugo-b8z Dutch broadcaster confirmed it, and yeh she was filming so they have the video
@@JoséHugo-b8zIt was confirmed just so you know that he didn't even touch anyone and that the maximum he can receive is a fine. Also, it isn't him who said that, but Avrotros.
How dare they do dat?? So rude!!! But if it was a person leaning to the right in this excact same situation hé would be cancelled. The narrative would be, Hé touched her 😂
She was obviously filming him 🎥
Show us the footage! Let us decide!!
While the police is investigating, the footage is the evidence that cannot be shared publicly. Unfortunately for EBU.
@@vulturevulture1426 Which is absolute nonsense. It is not even being used by the police a few hours after the event. They can publish at any time if they would like to call themselves transparent. But they are not, because this is all political motivated. They used Joost to deflect from the Palestinian issue, which apparently worked. This was a political motivated attack, for sure.
Cancel her!!
they "lost" the footage
Gays in Palestine❤
Imagine if joost was a woman keep saying stop and the cameraman ignores it. I believe result would have been quite different.
This is not about a camara woman, it's about deflection of the attention the Palestinian protesters were getting. The EBU and SVT are politically manipulating the outcome of the contest, because of money. Moroccan Oil is not Moroccan at all, it's Israeli. And that's the real cause of what's going on. This is politics on the highest level!
No, in Sweden getting physical with someone because you're being filmed at an event is unacceptable no matter what your gender is.
@FatalCroissant joost didn't touch her
@@vladimirlenin9749 Yeah, sorry, I keep hearing different things. At this point I'm waiting for an official statement.
@@FatalCroissant Pretty sure the she wasnt touched he just did a movement,
EBU made a big mistake by disqualifying the Netherlands. Big. HUGE. Joost didn't do anything wrong, it is quite the opposite; The camera woman was harassing Joost. Joost did NOT touch her. The camera woman kept filming him, even while this is in breech of EBU's contract with the artist not to film backstage. Joost asked her twice to stop filming and she kept filming him, so he made a gesture to the camera not even to the camera woman! EBU disqualifying Joost is like victim blaming and so not right. I hope justice will be served and there will be pressed charges against the EBU and their camera woman. Joost, you are in our hearts and everyone knows you were the public's choice. No one can take that away from you, Joost! Eurovision should apologize to Joost and also publicly for what they have so unrightfully done to Joost. Disqualifying him is not right, just not right...
The camera woman behaved like a Karen.
The haircut was a good reason to disqualify him 😅 plus he looks like Jimmy S@ville 😱
Very detailed, were you actually there or is this verbatim from the Dutch media company’s story ?
@@heidelbergaren5054 This is, verbatim, what Avrotros has told the Dutch public happened.
Justice for Joost ❤️
Not only Joost is unlawfully punished here. The whole crew, the dutch broadcaster, and fans are punished withhout an explanation or proof. This is how they are do things in Sweden. Everyone there is acting like it is completely normal. What about mediation or just a warning?
EBU isn't Sweden
Actually, they offered EBU several options. One option was that Joost would apologise publicly for his 'threatening move'. But it was not an option. And that, while AvroTros organized the Eurovision two years ago during the difficult Covid era. That while AT is a major financial contributor to Eurovision. It's insane.
@@Markiboy3
Neither have you, so hold your horses senator McCarthy. Joost Klein did no wrong: EBU anxiously refuses to release the only proof that could indicate otherwise.
@@Markiboy3 Nobody said he did nothing. That is in your head.
@@Markiboy3 Have you seen the incident? No? Didn't? Weird...
We do have had several spokespersons speak out about it. Including the police.
The only party not speeking up is the EBU so its up to them to proof it. Simple right?
Dutch here: What happened has come out. Joost had made an agreement that directly after his performance he was not to be put on video. To give him a bit of a pause / breathing room this because he goes through a lot of emotion. Later he attends camera / video. There was a woman who had been bothering him from before with a camera. That day she was bothering him once again. He repeatedly ask her to stop filming her. Then when she did not, he went to the camera and much like some police do put his hand to the camera. I believe he tried to lower the camera. This is the story, this is what officially transpired. It is ridicules the situation.
I would really like to see proof that agreement was really made.
So far, he claims it was and he claims he had emotional stress, nothing more.
“This is the story, this is what officially transpired” You’re joking, right? These are the claims of ONE side.
@@parpettersson1905yet the camera woman refuses to elaborate. This is what happened mate, the disqualificarion is absurd.
@@parpettersson1905average swedish leftie ahahaa
@@parpettersson1905 An official statement has come out from the AvroTros. You can find it when looking up "AvroTros in verklaring: dit is wat Joost Klein gedaan heeft"
Let me be clear: Official statements are not just made. If such a statement, with such words are made. This is a serious matter, as someone is representing a nation. So you do not speak lightly on such matters. That is all I have to say about it.
If Joost Klein is found not guilty of doing anything to her. This 1 woman has done some unimaginable emotional damage to Joost Klein. Joost has said multiple times that partaking in Eurovision would feel like closure for the death of his parents. He also ends his song on this heartfelt message. So she's done great emotional damage, which can easily be proven. That together with the fact that AVROTROS, the dutch broadcasting network, suffered a staggering loss in viewers. Plus she single handedly hurt the pride and ruined the night of a nation. I say this woman has a colossal defamation lawsuit coming her way.
So you're saying that he is mentally not suitable to participate in a contest with an immense pressure? Case closed.
He should perform his song in 2025 and be automatically qualified. It’s the least EBU can do
@@AMNBatSEyour comment doesnt make sense at all, case closed!
@@joostdeclercq2644You mean Putin because Joost has pro Putin sympathy 😂
@@AMNBatSEsmh
A key aspect was, that the area where she filmed was a "no filming" area. The Dutch said that in theire statement, she filmed in an area where filming was not allowed and Joost did not want to get filmed which she ignored. The EBU handled this very poorly.
@@Markiboy3she should have her name released and be known to all Dutch people
@@Markiboy3 we will find out when she is sued anyways
@@Markiboy3 why not? Certainly there are enough supporters to crowdfund a lawsuit if Joost chooses. It will be up to him to decide
@@Markiboy3
If someone says no. Then stop. No is no.
But I suppose you support rapists as well? Since that's your logic.
"Aggression is not okay after someone said no."
@@Markiboy3
Why do you speak out in favour of a criminal harasser and bully like that camerawoman, and viciously attack a victim like Joost Klein?
Have you learned nothing from MeToo?
Are you a relative of the perpetrator? Because literally only the perpetrator and Östendahl see it her way. Everybody else supports the victim.
Kicked out because of a Zero Tolerance policy, while they (ebu) should have created a safe environment for the artist, and protect him from the harassment of the camerawoman (with mobille phone?). Complete and utter incompetence but wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing has been planned just to neutralize the artist because of being critical to the organisation. The EBU has in fact disqualified itself during this festival. "United by music" ? Not.
If EBU really had a zero tolerance policy, there wouldn't have been a camerawoman backstage. EBU broke their part of the agreement leading up to this issue.
If he can't handle a photograph in a decent manner, perhaps he should not be a public performer. It should be expected in such an event.
@@lise1255 but you dont have to expect it on the toilet or other no camera agreed places.
@@lise1255 But there was an agreement. It was all arranged beforehand.
@@lise1255 you have no idea
I think the crew member should be fired or at least have some consequences for disrespect to an artist, insubordination, and unprofessionalism, because she was asked to stop filming and didn't, and on top of that she also filmed him when she was told not to
WAIT THIS BLEW UP WHAT-
Bassiclly, she got a national contestant (3rd in audience presence) instantly disqualified over a 'threatening' move towards her rolling camera.
This. Even after an agreement with EBU was made specifically not to film Joost right after the performance since it had quitte an emotional ending bit. And still. This happend.
And they never took it to trial or court still!!
If i were Joost i'd sue the EBU for a massive sum. He's & Netherlands as a whole has been SO wronged by this its insane. But oh well... Europapa jajaja "divided by media."
Where do you see that Incedent??
Also, she did not want an apology, she wanted him disqualified. Which means she behaved like a diva, a Karen.
Her socials should be exposed
@@vincentmassink5407 ridiculous!
If he’s found guilty of gross misconduct, I hope you retract your opinion. Thankfully it’s only that!
He didn't just ask not to be filmed, it was Agreed upon beforehand and thein violated. And Then he had to ask twice again.
Joost should counter sue them
She neglected his human rights. And as DW reported earlier she is Israeli 😮
I find it great to see people from other countries agree that this decision was nonsensical to put it lightly. Screw the eurovision
I find it great to see people from other countries who agree with this decision.
I agree with what Eurovision did and I know a lot of people who think the same.
@@TheAllMightyGodofCod ratio:
@@TheAllMightyGodofCodHow can you agree with something when you weren't there?
@@TheAllMightyGodofCoddon’t think so 😂
@@RemseyYT oh.. that's kind of embarrassing....
So, by your logic, I can't agree with the disqualification because because I was not there (not that you know if I was or was not but that is irrelevant). But you can agree that it was unfair, when you were probably not there either.
Rules apply to me but rules don't apply to you, eh?
By disqualifying Joost from participating in the final, the EBU declared him guilty even before the police investigation was completed. How is that decent and morally good behaviour....
Besides, if this anonymous camerawoman had simply respected other people's boundaries (something she herself, as a woman, probably shouts the loudest in life... hashtag metoo), none of this would have even happened. How is that decent and morally good behavior.
Because she was the songwriter of isael and the sponsor was also from israel
@@Rita-gq9hpwhat, israel isn't relevant here.
if joost is indeed innocent then i can say that as a feminist she makes us look bad and i'm ashamed of her. joost did not deserve this. i'm very disappointed :(
@@DiamoondustI’ve seen too many people unnecessarily involving Israel in here😭💀 they want to hear nothing said about her yet keep bringing it up themselves in the most random places
@@Rita-gq9hpBs.
This camera person was repeatedly asked not to film and kept doing it against the agreements made. She was harrassing Joost with her camera and violated his private space by doing so. Now, he may have reacted unwisely at some point but I feel that a safe working environment is created together. On top of that, even if he did react in an unprofessional way, a reprimand would've been enough, but the EBU decided to cancel him out of fear of repercussions for themselves. And now their decision means that there is a new road created to influence the contest in an unprecedented way, because apparently you can get someone cancelled by filing a complaint and the EBU overreacting. '
Just think of making a mistake at work and your boss just firing you over it, before the investigation is completed to find out whether or not you crossed any legal boundaries.
Absolutely agree! We can't trust EBU doing anything right. Punishment was way too harsh! Shame on them
I wonder if this is not a case of sexism. They immediately sided with her just because she's a woman complaining against a man. I am not even a Joost or "Europapa" fan, but I agree with the disqualification being disproportionate and utterly unfair.
Sweden seems to be very touchy when it comes to intimidation and aggression towards women. I've read they started a national action plan for this in 2022. Of course this is speculation on my part.
Agreed, joost was devastated by the disqualification. He was willing to apologise in front of a camera, even if he did nothing wrong.
But now that the cat is out of the bag and he was unjustly accusrd and punished, the camera woman was never asked to apologise to him. She took wverything away from him, trampled on his lifelong dream and added to his trauma.
Yes, it was probably a case of sexism from him.
It totally is sexism. Like ten minutes ago women really struggled in society but now we just have to say a man looked at us weird and he's effed.
I hate it.
i usually trust women but it seems too accidental and related to the is-not-real problems that came with their "singer" eden
EBU is a disgrace
Europe Boxing Union?
EBU is a wonderful thing.
Justice for Joost ❤️
Exactly
no, it isn't. Eurovision did the right thing and acted promptly and professionally. now we can know that Eurovision performers won't make any threats or have any kind of abusive attitude anymore, without risking to be disqualified. Joost had no right to display such behavior and to threaten anyone, no matter how annoyed he might have been by their presence. an Eurovision contester can't do that and expect no consequences. he only had the right to make legal complains for whatever he thought was any breach of contract, and deal with the problem in a professional and civilized way, but, instead, he chose to do it his way... and that wasn't the only line he crossed, but he also cross it with the Eden from Israel, at the press conference, when he jumped on her verbally, without being his business, and tried to provoke and to compel her to answer to a provocative and political question.
The incident unfolded at a highly emotional time for Joost. At the end of his performance, he saluted his father, a gesture that moved him to tears. Understanding the sensitivity of the moment, Joost had previously requested not to be filmed as he left the stage. However, after his semi-finals performance, a camerawoman continued to film him despite his repeated requests to stop. Overwhelmed and seeking privacy, Joost made a gesture towards the camera to insist she cease filming, although he made no physical contact with her. The camerawoman, perhaps feeling personally affronted, chose to file a complaint.
The decision by the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) to withhold footage of Joost's alleged "threatening movement" has only fueled further speculation and confusion. Releasing this footage could have clarified the situation, potentially exonerating the artist and demonstrating that the decision to disqualify him was unrelated to this incident.
Instead, it appears the disqualification may be tied more closely to Joost's controversial remark about Israels participation in the song contest.
During a press conference, a Polish journalist asked the Israeli contestant, Golan, whether she thought her participation might pose a security risk to others, given Israel's ongoing military actions in Gaza, referencing the pro-Palestinian rallies in Malmo during the Eurovision Song Contest. Swedish presenter Jovan Radomir quickly intervened, informing Golan that she doesn't have to answer this question. It was at this moment that Joost Klein, interjected with a simple "Why not?", that challenged the avoidance of this delicate subject. This indicated his support for transparency and dialogue on difficult topics.
His disqualification followed shortly after this interaction, not immediately after the alleged threatening gesture made days earlier toward a crew member. Additionally, if a formal complaint has been filed with Swedish police, the EBU should have allowed the legal process to conclude before taking action. Presuming innocence until proven guilty is a fundamental principle that should have guided their actions.
This should be top answer
So apparently it is ok to threaten people when you are "at a highly emotional moment".... 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@TheAllMightyGodofCod Nobody has seen the footage so we don’t know how ‘bad’ the threatening was. But he never touched her, he just made a ‘threatening’ move towards the camera. I would assume - just like many others - he made a gesture to make her stop filming and following him. But overall, I think we could all agree on the fact that this is a very harsh way to disqualify someone just a few hours before the Eurovision finals. I hope he’s hanging in there, he has been through so much. He deserved it to be there.
@@myms9681 irrelevant.
And no. We do not all agree this was very harsh.
9/10 people do. this was an incredibly disproportionate response. unless something isn't revealed, he didn't deserve to have this happen to him.@@TheAllMightyGodofCod
This sounds unethical. I hope the singer sues Eurovision and wins. Full stop.
I hope so! There are rumors Avrotros will probably also sue, dont forget this costs hundreds of thousends of Euros for them!
Yes, very unethical to threaten others. Good thing he was disqualified.
It's their contest, not his contest, to be nearly impossible to win any money against Ebu, great song I must admit
@@Zionrepublic well said. Don't agree with the part saying the song was great but you said it perfectly!
Both the EBU and that woman should be sued. Nowadays everyone is so quickly triggered and disqualifying a country because of an incident like that is ridiculous.
Joost was disqualified because the ebu broke agreements and harrassed the aetist they were supposed to protect. And then punished the artist for the ebu failure.
ESC just died. Ebu needs to get sued big time
They literally fixed it for Ukraine 2 years ago. Public votes were ignored in several countries and simply given to Ukraine.
@@orangeedo corrupt to the bone for many decades now
@@Markiboy3 statements by the Dutch officials that there were agreements in place with the ebu that artists would not be filmed from the stage to the green room. Yet a camera from the ebu was there and wouldn't stop although asked 4 times.
The EBU has to protect their staff first, artists second. Joost wasn't the one assaulted. His actions completely throw out anything that lead up to them.
@@BineroBE Joost assaulted no one. The ebu was responsible for keeping cameras away. Instead they send a camera backstage to harass. And have you seen the footage made by that camera woman? I don't know anybody has so far... Strange isn't it? Might the corrupt ebu be telling lies again?
Thank you EBU for destroying someone’s childhood dream. I hope you feel proud of what you did. I hope you will sleep well at night, knowing that you purposely did him wrong when all he asked for was that his personal space be acknowledged and that his privacy be respected. You not only deliberately shattered his life’s dream into pieces but you also crushed his hope. If that wasn’t enough, you hurt the feelings of fans from all around the world. You took away all their joy and happiness and replaced them with a lot of emotional pain, trauma and confusion. And for the people of The Netherlands who were really excited and enthusiastic about their entry this year, this was a direct stab in the heart. On top of that, you also had to twist and turn the knife just so you could punish and humiliate the whole nation. They absolutely did not deserve this miscarriage of justice. Luckily, the Dutch are known to be resilient and with time I’m sure they will survive this devastation. If anything, this will only make them stronger. You may have unjustly disqualified Joost from the competition, but in our hearts and minds, he will always be our hero and our winner. EBU, it’s time for you to do some self-reflection. Look at yourself in the mirror. Can you even smile at yourself after deliberately creating all these mess and causing a lot of pain to others just because you could? Do you even recognize yourself in the mirror?
100% Well Said ! Justice for Joost i pray will come.
EBU: this contest is no place for politics, also the EBU: lets reporters ask questions about politics
Everything is politics. To claim otherwise is to ignore the reality. A guy who goes to entertain russian troops has no place in European competition.
Apolitical or non-political events or organisations are always pro status quo/conservative and, similarly, promoting the mainstream attitudes or opinions.
You are unable not to communicate.
@@231rosslynrussia is europe, is more about peace, but ah peace between allies is easy
@@OsirusHandle Russia, invading several countries since its inception - is more about peace? How am I to understand such nonsense?
Israël no points…. Israel 12 points…. (20 years ago) No politics???
Imagine doing something wrong and when someone tells you to stop you go to the police to report HIM
@@Markiboy3 what could Joost have done that would actually have suck drastic impact that police would be involved, she just really got it wrong and then went to police, he didn't do anything
@@Markiboy3 yeah, this is a emotional moment for him and he told them he didn't want camera's around him, if you can't follow such a simple task that can mean so much to him you are not worthy of his respect either, he promised his dad that he would do this and the EBU took it from him, he had a very big chance to win
He stepped up to being harrassed by a woman breaking the songfestival rules, he didnt even touch her, just made a gesture, and got kicked out for nothing! Incredibly sexist move by EBU, mens boundaries are never respected in this day and age! We are always the agressors, even if we are victims!
I have been through narcisst abuse and this is how narcisst do..they do all horrible things to get reaction from you to the get power over u and shame you for not behaving well..while they started it all..this was made on purpose..the woman might even be a foreign spy..i wanna know more of her now! Lets know all about this possible narcisst photographer. Who she knows? Who hired her? Joost could have win it all! Someone made sure it didnt happen. If I were Joost I would buddy with Käärijä to make song together and then come back even stronger.
4:54 She didn't say "I can't comment on that", somebody else said "you don't have to comment on that"
💯
Scotland here, I personally would be gleeful to see Joost return to represent Netherlands in 2025!
As a Dutchman I hope so to, but I understand if he is done with Eurovision.
probably, it will not happen. probably the dutch won't join next year. and its posible the won't join at all in any time soon. the dutch are pretty pissed.
@@marcelschellekens6386as they should. eurovision this year was a mess. the contestants were great though.
@@marcelschellekens6386I can imagine after this nobody will be jumping from excitement to join next year either. As a Dutch person I personally am completely done with Eurovision at this point. What they did this year was absolutely unforgivable. Joost Klein is a national treasure. He was working to make his parents proud, who both passed away when he was a child. They robbed him of his dream. They robbed him of feeling like he avenged his parents. There is absolutely nothing the EBU could say at this point that would make this situation okay. I believe Eurovision has lost the Netherlands for a while.
Unfortunately it's not how we do things. Justice must prevail first.
Still, I'm over the moon with Nemo's win. He was on fire. Congratulations Switzerland. Well deserved.
Der Holländer wurde gerippt.
Nein heißt Nein.
Hat die Kamerafrau anscheinend nicht verstanden.
Hoffe das es zu Schadenersatz in Myriardenhöhe kommt.
Das war Schiebung.
Warum Schadensersatz? Niemand hat ein Recht, beim ESC mitzumachen, das er vor irgend einem Gericht gelten machen könnte.
@@Plueschfuchs Die Niederlande ist einzahlenter Vertragspartner.
Dem Künstler wurde eventuell eine Weltkarriere, durch eine agressive übergriffige Kamerafrau verwehrt.
Ob dieses Verhalten poltisch motiviert sein könnte muss hier auch noch geklärt werden.
Wer steckt dahinter und was waren die wahren Beweggründe?
Das muss gerichtlich geklärt werden.
Schwamm drüber, Pech gehabt, kann es doch nicht sein?
En dat was toch bij wet geregeld in Zweden....nee is nee versus met beider toestemming!?
Als ob er Chancen auf den Sieg gehabt hätte. Durch die Kontroverse bekommt er jetzt deutlich mehr aufmerksamkeit, als er im Finale bekommen hätte. Wird seiner Karriere wohl auftrieb geben.
@@Plueschfuchs
"Niemand hat ein Recht, beim ESC mitzumachen"
Doch er hat sich ja offiziell qualifiziert.
EBU should be sued by the Dutch broadcaster
The other way around, rather.
I cant find anything online but yesterday on the dutch broadcast they said that AVROTROS is indeed suing EBU for this.
Joost Klein, as the artist who was quite likely to win, has huge losses in this affair : reputation, lucrative contracts, probably damages to AVRO/TROS, etc… If he takes this to court, chances are he is ellegible for a huge financial settlement.
@@Sjimbwow Good , i hope so
@@StefanDannemyour opinion isn’t popular and not based on good arguments. Maybe you have to consider the possibility of you being wrong here.
why does everybody mention "female" with such emphasis bruh. Would it be a difference if something happened to a male team member? Probably lmao no one would've cared I'm guessing
I don't think they care to begin with. Clearly inappropriate, he just waved his hand at her direction, not touching her, or her massive camera pointed at him.
A man would have had to complain.
I think from the beginning EBU was afraid Joost was steeling “their” show looking at number of views Europapa was getting on UA-cam… It started to smell bad when they decided to have Joost singing last in the semifinal thus the public had less time and money to vote for him… Still, he came out second, one vote less then the Switzerland representative… The problem was getting serious. Something had to be done to stop Joost from becoming Eurovision 2024 public winner. And then, the mysterious “incident” happened…. 🤔🤔 Hope Martin Österdhal gets kicked out.🤞🤞
They're just mentioning it offhand ehat are you talking about
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What should have happened if everyone here was a well adjusted adult:
- If the EBU ordered the camerawoman to do what she did Joost should apologize to the women for being aggressive and the EBU should apologize for breaking Joosts boundaries and putting the camera women in a bad spot.
- If the camera women acted on her own she should apologize to Joost for breaking his boundaries and Joost may feel it is right to apologize back for being overly aggressive, if he wants to. The EBU should apologize to Joost for not keeping staff in check and the camera women needs a talking to, or moved to another position.
What happened:
The EBU heared that Joost was being agressive towards a camerawomen, and somewhere on a document is says that any artist being aggressive towards staff gets disqualified. Now Joost got disqualified for defending his boundries, which were broken due to the EBUs mistake or lack of control over their own staff. What was the whole day long hearing and the police getting involved for if they weren't gonna handle it like adults?
You are leaving out the part that there was an agreement that he would not be filmed off stage and that she was told multiple times not to film, but kept on doing so. A safe work environment goes for everybody and she was in violation. The EBU is in the wrong in any way you look at this. They are protecting a criminal. Joost is just a lam for slaughter.
What really is going on is that they needed deflection from the Palestinian protests ,which were broadcast all over the world and hurting their main sponsor: Moroccan Oil, which is not Moroccan at all, but Israeli. This is all about politics and money and has actually nothing to do with Joost himself. The 'police' things was just a joke. They have nothing. Although I bet they'll 'find' something.
AvroTros said he made a threatening movement toward the camera of the woman that had been repeatedly harassed him. they went on to explain that Joost had asked the woman not to film him when coming off stage because the final lines cause him to relive past trauma every time. She had done so repeatedly.
It’s a televised contest. He should maybe not sing a song that gives him trauma.
@@littlecatfeet9064for real. You bring a song to Eurovision, you’re in the finals, you should expect to have every moment captured. If it’s so traumatic, create a different song, or don’t show up. Contestants should expect that if they fart, the public knows. It’s how this thing works. He made himself super known, made his opinions known, made himself a bit of a hot topic by his behavior in the press releases and otherwise ( popularity isn’t up to him). All he had to do is behave, and he couldn’t.
@@РазомСила-м2я Not to mention that it was his 15 minutes of fame. Media won’t be chasing him in 6 weeks or so.
@@littlecatfeet9064 Right. So no artist ever should ever perform anything that touches them personally? Because giving someone some space as was agreed upon is too much? Also, Joost is an established artist. He's well past his fifteen minutes of fame.
@@PixTax 170 million people watching and it’s a media circus so no, he shouldn’t have expected such a level of privacy at all. How come this didn’t happen to any other contestant? The Israeli entrant dealt with mass protests, being booed and rude questions from the media and still displayed grace under pressure. He doesn’t get a special pass. Now if he actually didn’t do anything that’s another matter but you’re saying he has a right to behave badly.
They don't wanna let politics get in the way and let Israel participate, yet didn't let Russia participate the other year because of politics. Which is it Eurovision?
And Israel isn't even an European country.
@@JanStuivenberg2810 which is even more ridiculous
As a Dutch person I’m gonna have to say: Joost never stop and give up you don’t have to make Europe happy you already made the Netherlands happy and that’s really good 😊. So keep going for new songs and publish them.
Greetings and best wishes for Joost from Germany. ❤
Also Joost didn't say 'why not?' to her, but the guy telling her that "she doesn't have to answer".
He was surely judge by his enemy because the investigation is on going but EBU declared him guilty and dsq him. Some press members from a particular country, also harassed and recorded some other delegations, and EBU did nothing on this matter.
You would like to believe so, don't you? What is your source? Brattie thug's tiktok?
Press members are not contestants.
He was disqualified because he, personally, did it.
You can't disqualify someone because of what a non team member does and you perfectly know that but you are ignoring it because it suits your needs.
@@TheAllMightyGodofCod No, there can absolutely be disqualification based on a delegation member's behavior.
@@Markiboy3 what happened with Bambi Thug? I missed that one.
@@TheAllMightyGodofCod She also said she and her team all "cried when they heard Israel qualified for the final".
I really don't get it. She knew Israel would be competing months before. If this was so important to her, she could have quit herself. Then she had a complete meltdown after Israel finished one place above her, and cursed the EBU.
When I know an event will be attended by people I despise, I either skip it or I go and I act professionally and maturely.
2:07 They don't want it to be political? Why did they ban Russia so?
ISRAEL WAS ATTACKED LIKE UKRAINE.
Nowadays living is regarded as threatening.
Reminds me of population control!
No. Absolutely not.
We need to get to know the name of that female employee, let's investigate her connection to any other participants or orders from the EDU to harass the Dutch participant.
We know. 🇮🇱
There's a name going around.
I'm not sure if it's true, so I won't mention it, but they say it's the writer of Hurricane and it wasn't a professional camera, but her cell phone that she was filming/taking photos with.
So I doubt she was supposed to be there.
But either way, I don't know if it was her. The fact that she was not respecting the no filming agreement, then after being asked to stop several times, didn't respect that and after what happened next didn't want to discuss the matter with the Dutch crew nor Joost himself, says a lot.
But in the end the truth with come to the surface.
@@barbarabreunis7788 Keren Peles. Since Joost has been prosecuted by the EBU before found guilty, we can also mention her name before it has been proven I guess?
Who cares? This is just a silly song contest that nobody will remember next week.
The center of this debate is a recording. So just make the recording public so we can decide who to believe here!
Public opinion and votes are the keys for real victory of this show. No more the Juries or would be soon no more next Eurovisions in our future. Simple as that!
@@Markiboy3 But he is NOT Guilty ! That camera woman harrassed him, he asked her to stop and she refused ! If you asked someone to not film you in private and they filmes you, how would you have felt ?? Anyway, he is not i n Sweden now, so, if he were guilty of something then he would have had to remain in sweden ! I hope the ebu suffer for this, he was harrassed, simple as that !
@@Markiboy3 If that were true he would already be arrested
@@Markiboy3 One is innocent untill proven guilty by a judge
Key points for EBU HQ to prepare for the Eurovision in Switzerland in 2025
1. Roll out the red carpet for Joost Klein
2. Replace Martin Österdahl
No
And
No
Yes and Yes.
@@TheAllMightyGodofCodyes and yes. Martin should be fired and the EBU sued by the Dutch broadcaster and Joost
Yes and yes
It will happen. The EBU went to far.
He made it clear that he didn’t want her to invade his privacy, that’s all, he never touched her or had done any sort of assault, I want justice for Joost hope he is doing well and can rejoin Eurovision.
He was disqualified for what exactly? cant she be investigated for harassment?
Women do not harass.
He punched her
@@shloopy5 He didn't. He blocked her recording him without permission.
@@Vorname_Nachnahme Then why was he banned? I know someone who was there
@@shloopy5 He was banned to deflect from the Palestinian protests. This is all a political setup. The Songfestival is being paid by Moroccan Oil, which is not Moroccan at all, but Israeli. He didn't do anything to her, she was the one in violation or do you blame victims of rape as well? He had every right to protect his own space, which was agreed upon in advance and she was told multiple times about. She deliberately violated that agreement to create a scene.
Rubbish, there were plenty of flags of countries not in the final, in the arena. The non-qualifying countries flags were represented.
Yes, but they specifically banned Palestine flags and EU flags.
Since when did they ban EU flags?💀 that is just the cherry on top of all the chaos this year lol. It quite literally started as a European contest that is crazy
So sad the Netherlands was banned from the finals. The most "European" song since 1990's "In sieme, unite Europe". If it was in the finals it would had been a tight "battle" with (my) Croatia🇭🇷 and the Netherlands🇳🇱 And if it won against us, it would be fair deserved, unlike the actual winner 🇨🇭🍫🏔🐐
@@Markiboy3troll alert (get off your moms phone)
This is a total armed circus!
It's not called "Eurovision Song contest" for nothing. This is a European (EBU) event, so why on earth are countries that are outside of Europe (like Australia and Israel) allowed to participate? Australia was invited to participate in the song festival's 60th aniversary in 2015, but somehow they kept coming each year from then on.
Everyone that joins the European Broadcasting union can participate, and this has been the guideline for decades. Countries like Morocco and Turkey also competed in the past. There are other north African countries that are part of EBU that can participate, if they wanted to. Australia is actually the exception because they are not even part of the EBU.
It's utterly ridiculous that the EBU pretends there is 'no room for politics' while over the last decades the Eurovision Song Contest has devolved into exactly that. On top of that, their own decisions are nothing but politically motivated. The hypocrisy is painful.
By the way, the Netherlands should just send Joost to the contest next year with exactly the same song. It would be hilarious to see him win and slap down the EBU's arrogance in the process.
The Dutch contested had a question to the Israeli contestant during the press conference and that is why he has been banned. After all there is no free speech in the highly commercial Eurovision.
Israel rules the world
You seem to have insider knowledge from within EBU circles. Can you share details?
Not to mention the sponsor of Eurovision is an Israeli company.
What kind of question? Provocative question?
People did far worse to the Israeli contestant and didn't get disqualified, like the Irish shrew and the mentally-4-years-old Greek.
What is funny is that this is about filming.
WHERE IS THE FOOTAGE...?!?
THAT is the only evidence.
EVERYTHING else is HEARSAY.
I can imagine the woman deleted the footage - either under pressure from Joost or because she dang well knows her complaint is complete and utter bullsh*t
It might be part of the ongoing investigation and not be free for publication at this time. But surely it will leak soon enough.
@@Markiboy3 i’m sure they going to destroy it and let nobody see it because it was ridiculous.
@@marcopaluzzi7251No, because that would unlawful.
4:44 ... that is not correct. She was told she did not have to comment on that. And then Joost said "why not?". And she commented anyway.
Joost didnt say that, the reporter did
This is unbelievable and unacceptable! If he doesn’t want to be filmed, it is his full right ! Certainly after an emotional moment in remembering his papa and mama❤!
In order to participate in the contest, a country has to be an active member of the European Broadcasting Union, which organizes Eurovision, so eligibility is not solely dependent on geography. They should change the name to Political Broadcasting Union because it's not about the music.
It, again, shows that the EBU is a controversial body by itself. It was agreed upon that there would be no filming of mr. Klein after the song. The woman in question however did film and after having told here several times not to, mr. Klein reacted. That's called human behavior. Lets just stop with this horror called ESC. Once a nice institute where countries, in their own language, sang a nice song. Often with music typical for their country. Now it's a commercial hodgepodge.
@@Markiboy3 By whom? We don't yet know all that happened. Lets wait what the woman has to say as well. So far we heard from the Dutch + some people who were near the incident, but not from the woman herself.
What I find very confusing is how all parties involved haven’t exactly given real evidence for their claims. A police investigation sounds really serious but a „threatening move towards“ someone wouldn’t really justify that?
And everyone posting about it tells the story a bit differently, adding information (where it happened, background or other rumors about his behavior).
Personally if he did something wrong disqualification would be the right move but we don’t know that yet. So maybe they could have allowed him to compete and in the case of being guilty disqualified him later.
Fact of the matter remains that there was an agreement not to film him and that she had been told multiple times not to bother him. He was only protecting his personal space which was agreed upon. You don't go blaming rape victims for being raped do you? She is the one in violation, whatever you make of it and the EBU cannot wipe themselves clean from this as they are in violation also. He had every right to defend his personal space, we give Ukraine even weapons to defend their own personal space. So this is a non issue.
But in reality this is about deflecting from the attention the Palestinian protests were getting all over the world, which was hurting the main sponsor: Moroccan Oil, which is not Moroccan at all, but Israeli. The EBU is full of politics and the hunt for money. They are hypocrites and manipulators of the public.
This! A trophy can be retracted and given to the runner-up but forcing Joost to give up on his lifetime dream moment and tribute to his dead parents is unforgivable. That stolen, golden moment can never be given back. ☹️😢
An EBU camera woman harassing a contestant. A new low for the EBU.
Camera woman was a Mossad agent 😅
Joost said: There will be an unprecedented surprise, never seen before in Eurovision history.
We were not disappointed.
Music without politics is basically lifeless. Politics is intertwined with human emotions essential to music. My heart goes out to Yoost, and his EuroPapa song unifies, not divides.
when one anonimous woman can destroy a national artists like that over nothing, we really live in a screwed up world
@@Markiboy3 Where's your evidence of this? Troll alert.
Are anonymous women not to be taken seriously then? What is she wasn't anonymous? Why give so much importance to a silly song contest anyway?
Oh believe the ebu just took the opportunity because they already wanted him out cause of what had been happening with a certain country. That same country's team had been harassing other artists including female artists and the ebu did nothing...in this case it wasn't the sexism
I got exact same idea. You nailed it! She cant hide behind anonimity after what she did to a star. Star is star because of his fans. This woman took such a big dream away from Joost is a crime!
The thing about not banning Israel because they “don’t want to get political” is so laughable because Russia has been barred for the EXACT same reasoning, the only difference between the two countries being Russia is actually a part or Europe
Being Dutch myself too, I find it hilarious other people find his 'why not' aggressive.
Ya'll know us Dutchies are more blunt, right? Aggressive.. 🤣
No we're not. That's just a fable we like to tell ourselves. Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm an Aussie and I really know what 'blunt' is!
@@telebubba5527 Alright buddy, here have a pat on the head.
Agree 💯 Finnish people are the same way
@@johannac5653 Yess, got a Finnish friend. We click really well. The Germans in our friendgroup always say we sound rude.. 🤣🤷♂
"Why not" is not aggressive by any standard. It was an honest question to a dishonest contestant.
The EBU kept it rather vague. They said there was a man and a women. So the man had to be disqualified.
@@Markiboy3 Because someone claimed he did something wrong, it's still under investigation, does not mean he indeed did something wrong. Police did make a statement that there was no physical violence
@@Markiboy3 EBU says because he is under investigation. It's an invalid reason
I am still struggling to understand why the European Broadcasting Union could ban Russia in 2022 after it invaded Ukraine but said that it could not ban israel for invading Gaza in 2023. What double standard and hypocrisy is that?
Did Israele start the war?
@@branc2658 To be factually yes.
All of them.
I am not so sure if a peace agreement was ever signed.
At least Israel never kept to the Oslo accords, but that was with the PLO.
It would be nice if there would be peace there one day, but neither of the criminals in charge wants it.
In the mean time everyone suffers (including Israeli)
@@branc2658Ofc not, but people want to spread lies
@@branc2658 Israel is the occupier
@@branc2658no they only killed over 14.000 children as a revenge. Ukraine hasn’t killed one Russian child. There are different ways to react on a horrible attack… When you choose te react that aggressive and killed so much children… why also coming to a music party? Like nothing is happening 😢
You managed to protect the Israeli team from all negative questions, yet why did you allow such a question to be asked to Joost, and then disqualify him for his reaction? Why don't you even publish the footage? Is this double standard because the Netherlands is not the main sponsor of Eurovision? You were so unjust that you even feared announcing the Netherlands' elimination during the show. The Netherlands should definitely file a lawsuit for compensation
The Israeli singer was asked (well, it was more of a statement) if she feels guilty for endangering everyone else with her presence. I would say that's a pretty negative question. And she answered the question, you can find it online.
The Greek singer was also exaggeratedly yawning and pretending to fall asleep when the Israeli singer answered questions. The Irish singer was also very hostile towards the Israeli girl. And not to talk about the insane disrespect the Israeli received, repeatedly, when performing. You are really blind if you don't see how the EBU failed to handle the nasty treatment she got.
If they decided Israel can compete, they should have made sure the environment was safe and respectful to the artist.
What really happened is still quite vague. But this punishment is far too severe given the "facts". The Netherlands must withdraw from this circus as a protest.
Bye bye 😂👋
I see lots of opinions over an incident that is vaguely described and we didn't witness. I hope we get more information, and then I will have my opinion.
😎 unfathomably based
In sum : one word, " hypocrisy "
Explain.
If what he did was so terrible, why did they need more then 24 hrs to come with a decision ?
Amen!
@@Markiboy3 Nonsense. After they watched the footage they could deside. All other steps could be taken after their decision. I think they could not agree what to decide.
@@Markiboy3 Nope the EBU does not decide on who is guilty or not
@@Markiboy3 No they THINK he broke them, it's up to a judge to deside on that. It is absolutly not irrelevant because if the judge decides he is not guilty they robbed him of a chance to win
@@Markiboy3 Poor you for still not understanding. Info from where? Nothing more then speculations. The police statement says there was no physical harm. You want me to believe the police were lying? ha
A threatening movement ? After she filmed without permission ? Madness.
Why doesn't the EBU show us what was recorded by the camera woman ? It would stop a lot of speculation.
There is nothing in this world that is “non-political” everything is political, remember that, politics is our foundation.
Non-political when Israel is committing a genocide, very political when Russia invades Ukraine.
Basically what happened (from what I know): A cameraWOMAN was filming Mr. Klein without permission in a NO FILMING zone and HE allegedly stomped HIS foot towards HER after telling HER to stop TWICE, not on HER.
Justice for Joost ❤️
And the Netherlands too!
@@Markiboy3 if he was guilty, why could leave the country, and was he not arrested? Guilty of what btw telling Karin to leave him alone.
@@Markiboy3 Why do you think he is guilty?
@@Markiboy3 😂😂 yes isn’t it? Very minor! Actually, no crime was committed.
Justice for Joost this is not over yet 🇳🇱❤️ Europapa. He will be back next year and win it.
All politics, he was not allowed to win.
Just looking for an excuse.
Just figure out who was the main sponsor and you know enough.
If what you say was true, israel would have won, since the main sponsor is part Israeli company. Just admit that you have a heart full of hate and call it a day.
How could he have won? The song was horrible and he was too
The main sponsor was Marokkan Oil owned by Israeli.
So disqualify? This is not the issue, slome. Whether you ( can you even sing or entertain?) like or dislike a song or a man.@@shlomitabrahamoff4504
@@marianalazarevic1210What's your Point? Israel didn't won so who the sponsor is didn't play any significant role.
They clearly already had a person they wanted to win, the dude with the skirt singing about his "journey" to being non-binary.
LGBTQAA++++ lobby
Nemo had nothing to do with it, I'm sure they would support Joost. :(
Who was still the musically best performer even in a pair of jeans and a tank top singing and rapping about his journey to being alpha-male.
Honestly, sack Österdahl. Literally everything with this eurovision is sketchy af. This guy getting disqualified for no reason and the fact that Switzerland got suspiciously many twelves yesterday (almost worse than ukraine last year).
Not only him, but Noel Curran as well. He defends this sordid behaviour. He is probably the main culprit in this story.
It seems that the camera woman had dislike towards him therefore acting disrespectfully. She then rejected any way of a "settlement" so it seems that she knew exactly what she was doing.
To be that crew member and be responsible for a country not being represented because of you. I hope "the incident" was serious enough for her to live with the consequences of being responsible for that. Esp. if she has been provoking him...
Joost has been provoked from her. And we know well why. The results are so obvious! Simple as that! It is no Rocket science. Be saluted!
Please give us the image of the camera woman...why not? Where are the videochannels harddrives?
@@Markiboy3 Maybe SHE should have leave Joost alone.
@@lifendi5937 100%
What a threatening movement that can disqualified the contestants? A killing threat?
In Sweden having sex without condom counts as rape. Probably he just gave her a look
I know the internet is what it is, but we literally know one side of the story and that's it. Looking at this logically, the EBU has previously gone above and beyond for artists to be able to compete and kicking them out is a very last resort decision. It does not benefit them nor their reputation in any way to do this without a valid reason. I have heard a different story about what took place, by several workers at the arena but that story is not mine to tell. Hopefully the alledged victim will come out and share their version.
what you've heard does not mean a thing to me. what the EBU themselves told us does.
@@evastapaard2462 Didn't ask
4:55 The Israeli contestant didn't actually say that. It was someone from production that called out that she didn't have to answer the question whether her being there might pose a safety risk to other contenders. Either way, Russia being banned whether you agree or not already proves that this "contest" is anything but apolitical and of course everybody knows where the 12 points from Greece go to, every single year.
i think it would be interesting how the voting would look like if netherland was in. Cause i think that the results for Switzerland would look different for about 50-100 points?
Joost was stalked by a Camerawoman. And she turned super agressive on him. For doing such some like a fart he is out.
@@Markiboy3 Troll alert
I'm not even a big fan of Eurovision. Or even of Joost Klein. I find him kind of obnoxious.
But! What happened there is absolutely ridiculous. The perfect symptom of todays culture, actually.
Great way to unite the continent.
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A little text wouldn't change anything
If Eurovision is supposed to be free of politics, how is it that Russia was banned when it invaded Ukraine at a previous Eurovision?
Both Russia and Israel would probably deserve a temporary ban from Eurovision, but I'm not sure about Belarus.
Israel attacked as retaliation to the brutal massacre Hamas committed. The fact that you can't differentiate the two conflicts shows a total lack of critical thinking skills.
Russia initiated an attack on a sovereign country (Ukraine).
The elected government of Gaza (Hamas) initiated an attack on a sovereign country (Israel).
See the difference?
@elastrorey5722 Nobody here is judging what Hamas did, it was horrendous and still they have prisoners. The issue here is the response from Israel. You said that their response was to also "attack" but what are they actually doing is to erase Palestine from the map. So, where is the line that determines what is legitimate to do and what not to do when somebody attack you?
@@elastrorey5722 The mass killing of tens of thousands of civilians in revenge for a Hamas attack is a reprehensible war crime. Gaza should also be excluded from Eurovision as long as Hamas rules there.
What a circus, a festival of tacky bad taste music with winners always being politically chosen. And people get so wound up as if it was actually important.
Eurovision become no more music and entertainment. Just politics, bribery and money. Simple as that! And very sad too! Be saluted!
Don't talk nonsence
@@TheSeNaBi Why do you think like that? Because, you do not agree with me? What is a non sense for you? Be saluted!
@@TheSeNaBi You’re not collecting a lot of thumbs up for that lazy comment.
@@the_grand_tourer So?
"Is politics stealing the show" their government is literally committing crimes against humanity on a grand scale against Palestinians. Acting like their exclusion from this event is just some petty politics is such a ridiculous injustice. We all have a duty to call out and act appropriately towards crimes this large.
agree but also cant make peace with just allies. imo russia should be here but apparently they withdrawled themselves rather than got banned. isreal shouldnt be there purely cause its not europe imo
Everyone has an absolute duty to fact check for themselves and so should you. You are accepting the accusations of genocide because everyone says so. Come on now. Do some independent research and find the actual statistics and true facts on Israel and Palestine before you join the crowd like a sheep!
@@JadeFromHolland I've done plenty to inform myself on what's going on. I've also listened to the genocidal language used against Palestinians, that have all been thoroughly demonized as Hamas, by the Israeli government. You have to be incredibly cruel or willfully ignorant to not see this for what it is if you're paying attention and understand how we got here. Nice projection, you're the sheep, all you're doing is helping enable age old systems of oppression, division, and "othering" that leads to violence and keeps it going.
@@OsirusHandle What ridiculous reasoning. Russia invades a European country, and could easily be argued as a part of Asia, but you'd include them, but not Israel because of geography... I sincerely hope you're never in charge of making consequential moral decisions.
@@OsirusHandleYou mean like Australia?
She never said she couldn't answer it was the guy next to her who said that. At least get your facts straight.
She did answer it and was excellent answer
@janeslater8004 Yes, you are correct. I don't think I made the point clear enough. DW made it sound as if she said, "You don't have to answer the question if you do not want too" Rather, that was the KAN representative next to her that made that statement. The Netherlands singer rudely interjected, "Why not?" The KAN representative then said "you can answer if you want to" and Eden, with grace, answered the question.
The Fashion Police disqualified him.
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I think he was already a threat to winner in Malmo, before even he was declared in grand finale. Europapa should be a real winner of Eurosong in 2024. Simple as that! Be saluted!
@@Markiboy3 Do you really think that? I was think that people like his song.
@@Markiboy3 Tell that to Paul Elstak, the godfather of gabber
The Eurovision is a huge joke, firstly they cancelling Eurovision, when Little Big of Russia getting a huge popularity and cancelling that year, preventing Russia of winning. Then they cancelling Russia because of politics. Then they cancelled this guy, who WAS winning as well.
Screw this crappy contest, which is delusional.
He has the last laugh, he is trending, just did a big gig in Canada is performing at Pinkop and is generally doing better then the actual winner of eurovision. He is still in the top of the charts in many countries even got to 14 in the US. Thank you EBU and oh there is a petition to send him next year as well
Eurovision is free of politics, which is why Israel has been allowed to participate, but not Russia. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Israel sunger never said " I can not comment in that" It was the press organizer that said " You do not need to answer that" But she did anyhow answer that. WHY DISTORT THE TRUTH?
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Last I checked this wasn’t even about Israel lol
The truth is that she was intending to pass the question, but the ‘’why not’’ challenge, forced her to answer. She may be ok with it but I bet her team was not.
So everyone has to follow the EBU rules, but workers of the EBU don't? Rude!
Yeah! Very interesting fact! Good spotting! Something stink here! Be saluted!
@@Markiboy3 I think it was too harsh disqualified Joost Klein. Be saluted!
Why did the police even investigate something like this?
Imagine making fun of someone for being an orphan and expecting not to be punched or whatever happend