This story has fascinated me for many years. Holmes’s ex gf Dawn is a true survivor. Her book is a great read. Thank you both for this vlog and keep them coming!
Not many know this but in the movie wonderland ,christina applegate who played ron lannius wife only took the small part because as a kid she lived higher up on wonderland ave and remembered seeing the bloody mattresses outside the house after the murders happened ,crazy
That is eerie. Times have sure changed with how inn1979 they would just throw materials from a murder out in the street for the garbage men to pick up, versus now in 2023 it is considered prized evidence.
My older brother used to hang out with John and they got high together. My brother was a good guy, John took advantage of him many times, like not coming back with the drugs, apartment was robbed of jewelry, electronics, cash, etc. He knew it was John because he kind of avoided My brother after it but there's no proof of it. My brother would drive him around,..I seen him a few times, once sitting in the car one time while my brother came home to get something for a second and I'll never forget he was sitting in the passenger seat and Supertramp, "take the long way home"... Was playing on the radio. One other time he was sitting in the living room and didn't even acknowledge me when I said hi to him. Looking back he could of been high. At the time he was pretty much past his fame and looked like just a regular guy, kind of a scruffy beard going on.... Their friendship lasted only about less than a year, my brother before he passed away said to me that John ripped him off. I don't know the whole story, my brother was very private but just an interesting piece here. It definitely brought me back. Thanks... Oh and when the wonderland murders things happened it was hard for me to see him being involved in something like that but hey I didn't really know him that well and drugs makes you do those kind of things you know. Thanks again. You have a great piece here.
You are correct, sir, lol. 😂🤣😂😭😭😭(He was famously full of shit. He lied constantly about every aspect of his life, according to his closest "friends".)
@@PoliteTia It wasn't as though he was dragged into it kicking and screaming, or made any effort to get out until it was way too late. Holmes milked it for all it was worth and then some.
Interesting fact, I was in the LAPD academy when this happened. We were close to graduating and we were called to the house to search the surrounding property for a weapon. Found nothing but we were given an inside tour of the crime scene. All I recall is the smell.
Interesting, we just got back from Cali on vacation. A friend took us up to check it out. The address numbers have been changed of course. The dvd of the film have the crazy extras too...worth a watch
I grew up close to this area, this was huge and very confusing news at the time. Throughout the 1970's, we explored much of the Laurel Canyon area never really knowing what was happening behind all those closed doors. It's a very haunted area anyway, and no way could I ever live in a house like that.
John 3:19 James 1:15 Acts 2:38 We All Need Repentance and Salvation only 1 place for this mission The Cross of Calvary Jesus death, burial, Resurrection! John 8:12
My mother bought me a bright yellow T-shirt when I was 7 years old from a second hand store and it had, I love Linda Love Lace, on the front. I couldn't understand why my friends dads would laugh when I wore it.
My dad had a yellow vest with “I choked Linda Lovelace”. I had no idea what it meant at the time, and I’m shocked my mother allowed him to actually wear it 😂
I was so much expecting the woman living at the Wonderland house to come outside and start shouting at you but you were in luck hey! What a terrible history I wouldn’t want to live there! Thanks for another insightful location video.
@@bigpun7916 Me neither. Especially that house, where the murder was especially brutal with multiple people dead. No way. I would not take the place for free. I would never feel at peace in my own home. Haunted or not haunted, there would always be the knowledge in my mind that there was a bloody, violent, brutal mess there many years ago. I need my home to be peaceful.
Such a good movie. I think they really nailed it on the realism. They didn't get how unhealthy he was at the end of it all but the scenes are pretty horrific, the house looks very similar and the whole lead up was dead on. Shout out to Lisa Kudrow too, that was her best role as a drama in my opinion. Wonderland, watch it!
The part about David Lind and Barbara Richardson is almost all fiction. Their whereabouts, arrival, comings and goings weren't as they were portrayed as in the film. I know that's just a Hollywood thing, but in that film, I took it so literally, especially since they jump cut in the real death shots. My husband and I tend to rewatch some of the same films. I can't watch that one again.
Great work, as always! I will also note that the night of the murders, Holmes showed up at the home of his wife, Sharon, who hadn't seen him in months. He was covered in blood and Sharon, a former nurse, ran a bath for him in an effort to try and clean and treat his wounds. However, Sharon quickly realized that John was not injured and that the blood was not his. According to Sharon, John told her he had been involved in a robbery and had been made to witness the murder of his fellow perpetrators. Shortly after cleaning up, Holmes left and returned to the motel where his girlfriend was waiting for him. Strange guy.
Yeah. That keyboard instrumental music matches music heard in porn flics of the 70s. I'll never forget a porn flic I saw in an adult movie theater decades ago. Showed the guy with a girl as the main riff for the song Black Dog from Led Zeppelin was playing, lol! Some things you can't help remembering for the rest of your life.
I just wanted to point out that the Georgina, whose name and handprints are on the sidewalk in front of the Pussycat Theater, was more than likely Georgina Spelvin, who was the star of The Devil In Miss Jones.
Crazy! When they remodeled/revamped the Pussy Cat, my dad did the metal work in the entryway. But I was only like 5 when it started closing down. I remember walking down Sherman Way and seeing the handprints... Nostalgia at it's naughtiest.
@@sonjagupton819- maybe it's just me. I've seen porn flics ever since I was old enough to see them in such type movie theaters (circa 1982). To me, even though down the road porn got polished, back in the 80s it was grittier and more in depth (no pun intended).
The Wonderland Murders to me will be an unsolved mystery and Holmes was an absolute trainwreck the last few years of his life. Great research and video guys and glad you were able to take video of the house, well done !!
Thanks Michael, for getting this video done. I've been interested in The Wonderland murders for years, myself. And yes, Wonderland is a great film for anyone who is fascinated by the whole ordeal.
Hello my friend as a true California native, born and raised in Malibu California. I want to help you a little bit here first off on that porno, Hall of Fame, or walk of fame. Harry Reems is legend. as well as a few of the other individuals that you showed their hands and feet. The other pussycat theater was in Santa Monica where they have the promenade now. That was right down the street Melrose and La Brea where our restaurant was via fettuccine. very famous Nash used to come there quite a bit. As I would play later on in my life at the Starwood and many other clubs that he owned.
Nicely made. There were actually 3 members of the Wonderland Gang that entered Nash's home for the robbery: Ron Launius, Billy DeVerell and David Lind. Tracy McCourt waited in the getaway car. I was lucky enough to take pics of the Doña Lola home before it was remodeled. Malice In Wonderland: The Inside Story of the Police Investigation of The Laurel Canyon Murders is the best book I've read about the the murders.
Eddie Nash owned the Starwood (among other businesses) which was located at the intersection of Santa Monica and Crescent Heights. The amount of Hollywood music history that happened there could be an episode in itself - Van Halen, Motley Crue, Dokken, Quiet Riot, Go Go's, so many more.
Yes, that is true. That is where Randy Rhoads began to make a name for himself in Quiet Riot. There was a bit of a rivalry between him and Eddie Van Halen. However, according to his brother (Kelle Rhoads). It was exaggerated by the press (As most things are.).
Regarding the Starwood, before HE was murdered Bobby Fuller and his Band the Bobby Fuller Four (remember their hit song "I fought Law") played there in 1965-1966. Fuller was murdered and found on Sycamore Ave. in Hollywood in 1966 (not more than 50 ft from where Janis Joplin was found dead from an overdose). Hollywood is FILLED with history
@@TheJayrockerrActually there was a rivalry between three guitar players then Eddie Van Halen Randy Rhodes and George Lynch Van Halen quiet Riot The Boyz \ Xciter It was a very fuel guitar hero time all sorts of shredders were coming on the scene but that was a big venue Starwood as was the whiskey gazzaris Saw all three bands around the strip The Eddie Nash thing with him hiding money and drugs under the stage everyone was playing on still just absolutely floors me ...(sorry🤣)
@TheJayrockerr Eddie's son wolf playd at the rock N roll hall of fame recently for ozzy osbourne getting in and he played Randy's crazy train solo he did good randy and Eddie would have been proud
I absolutely love the plants and greenery at the houses on the street, so full of life and color. Passing by you would never know a house that beautiful had that type of a history.
@@jamesmacaw3865 Because we know what happened and compared to how they kept it, it looks good. I bet the house was dirt cheap, I wouldn't live there though.
Wonderland with Val Kilmer *is* worth a look. Fortunately, nothing discomforting tends to be found in the movie. It's more of a filmic experience involving the Wonderland murders. The director spared no expense on quality. You won't waste your time seeing it.
@@martinescobar6475 - how can Eddie's former house be haunted if it was torn down and rebuilt? However, I believe the remains of the house and surrounding property of the former house that Aleister Crowley lived in (Boleskin House) remains evil to this day.
That’s exactly what I thought about when I heard him talking about it because I was very young but I remember seeing that movie as well, and I remembered Alfred Molina playing that character but I also saw the Wonderland movie which I’ll have to go back and see again, and there was someone who was a Middle Eastern guy
Great video, as always! I agree with others that Wonderland was a really good film, Val Kilmer especially amazing! Thanks for taking us to the locations, very interesting to see these places.
I had to jump on this one. This one was creepy AF when it happened...weird. I've watched and read everything on this including the police video with the bodies still in place. This was a brutal killing and those people were innocent. What got me was neighbors heard the screams but thought it was a "scream therapy" session going on. Only in California, the land of fruits and nuts. And me being a native. Smdh.
Those people were far from innocent. They were dope slinging , armed robbers who had monster drug habits themselves. They thought they were wild but ran into Eddie Nash. The Wonderland gang got exactly what they had coming.
Scream therapy? Well, possible if you live in such a screwed up state like California. They always elect the worst of the worst for their politicians. New York state a close second.
Being born in Los Angeles and fond of movie locations I myself would get a little nervous when scouting locations although always respectful.I’m 54 and never knew of this crime 🤔great video and content as always you and baby goul are awesome 😎
I loved your video! Thank you! You can tell you put a lot of time, effort, and hard work into making them! Keep up the amazing job! And kudos to you for getting video of the house! I hate confrontation and being yelled at! You were brave and respectful!
Guys, I've been watching UA-cam since its release. I've never really subscribed to anything just until this year, and only a few. You're one of them. I truly enjoy your personalities and how you bring locations to life. You're just a joy to watch and how you tell the stories. You two are a great couple and I appreciate what you're doing. You are going to these locations because it's your life's work and you enjoy it. It truly shows. Thanks for sharing it with us because without you, we are in the dark about alot of things. EXCELLENT! 👍
Nice job guys. Loved the views of West Hollywood back in the day. Although I was never there,I remember those events quite well & was a young married man when they unfolded. A way different time. A way different world. Actually I believe they were better days than what we all are dealing with right now. Bravo to you & your crew & I hope things will get better in this world.
@@darlenegriffith6186 absolutely a wicked dinner party and chat about what happened maybe some analysis of it all. But I don’t think I could live there, I’d have to have some people always around me, to keep the mojo right.
The lady living there would make a buttload (pun intended) of money if she would let people come in for just 10 minutes to just check it out. But I'm sure the city would be all over her (another intended pun) about the noise and of course the traffic and parking in that tiny stretch of street. I've driven thru it several times and it's a pain in the ass! (sorry, one last pun)
@@MrMuzikProductions yeah you think if people live in these type of houses they might as well just embrace it's infamous history, it's history regardless and you might as well make a little money off it. shoot look at the Lizzie Borden home it was converted to a bed and breakfast hotel
My friend Julia Negron exwife of Chuck Negron, discovered the bodies at wonderland. She fled to call police, leaving another person there who the police found when responding.
I thought this case was so brutal. Yes all crimes and murders are brutal,but this one really just hit. I also think that one scene in the movie Boogie Nights was based off of this crime. Love the content,and you and Jessica are the best UA-cam couple!!! Blessed Be :)
Yeah...our favorite scene from Boogie nights was the "Awesome tape mix" where they play "Sister Christian". We are old enough to have had our own awesome tape mix...although never named it so!🤣 So yeah Boogie Nights got my husband and I interested in seeing the "talented" member that was John Holmes. I nearly fell over. I was like "That is NEVER gonna fit in her!" It hurt my Va Jay Jay to watch!! I definitely walked away thinking....Bigger is NOT better! The film we saw was about the time he had AIDS. John wasn't able to keep at full attention. He didn't look healthy at all. Never heard or seen the Val Kilmer movie. We are gonna watch it this summer. My husband is retiring and I already am so we are gonna travel! (Am just disappointed at Hollywood going back to the well....making another "Top Gun" on the subject of Val Kilmer.) I've been to several grisly historic homes. I love history and remind people that although dark...all of this IS history!
Interesting showing the Crypt , I have read that Hugh Hefner bought the 'Crypt' next to where Marilyn Monroe is interred , Hefner obviously paid for the 'previous occupant' to be moved, so even in death Marilyn could not avoid creeps like Hefner making moves on her
Wow .. I'd never heard of this ...heard of John Holmes, obviously.....but WOW I had no idea.... Thank you Grimlifecollective for taking us all on your amazing travels....and telling the story with such awe and respect. Wonderful 👍👍👍
There was an issue of hustler magazine that had an article of the wonderland murders. The photos were very graphic. I also remember Eddie Nash investigated several times way before the wonderland murders.
When Grimm said there might be some danger in taking video of the house, I was like "Ok, just be careful, dude." Then he started shooting the house while talking about it for a good minute.... then kept shooting the house and getting closer! At which point I was sitting on the edge of my couch practically yelling at the screen for him to get outta there before something awful DID happen to him! He had way more guts than I ever would doing the same thing. Anyway, another great episode. I'm a huge fan. Keep them coming!
Nicely done ! I'm glad you guys were able to get the shots from outside the wonderland home as well. Kindof neat that the car today is the same color as the one before it years ago. As always, great work guys 👏
This is the kind of stuff I want to hear about. All those others talk about murders that happened over a hundred years ago. That's fine and all but please include more stories like this. GOOD JOB DUDE!
Great video about this very scary and horrific crime. I was only 10 years old when it happened, but i still remember watching the news reports on tv and it sent chills down my spine and it still does to this very day.
I do true crime videos. I went up that same street to the wonderland house february of 2011. Even went on the steps. The owner was a male at the time. He came outside and smoked a cigarette while watching us. He was very cool about it. Said he had no problems sleeping in the house. Didn't know a new owner moved in
Brilliant job covering this case! Thanks so much!! I've seen other channels cover The Wonderland Murders, seen both movies & your channel nailed it in less than 20 minutes....truly one of the most horrific crimes in Hollywood... 😢Cheers!🎉
Such a great channel. Hollyweird history is so fascinating, the Holmes story ticks all the boxes in a glimpse behind the curtain. Boogie Nights and Wonderland are must views, Anderson's film is a classic. Another great doc!
Wunderland murderers I never knew much about. Thanks for a look inside the story. I've read everything I can on the Manson family. This one looks very similar as to a hit. John Holmes never the snitch took the story to his grave. Incredible. Definitely going to research more on this case. Thanks again. You guys are so awesome.
John Holmes was an informant for the police, and ratted out many of his co-workers to the Police Department when he got busted in exchange for leniency.
@@christophercrochet5454 I'm talking about the murders. He was there. It's an unsolved case. As far as I've read Holmes refused to say who he let in the house that bloody nite.
The owner just happens to have a white car parked in the garage with the door open, similar to the crime scene extra on the dvd 🤔 but doesn’t want ppl stopping by?
I just discovered your channel, and I must say this video was fantastic, I love true crime and this video was very informative. Your attention to detail is impeccable!
I absolutely love the part of going to the Pussycat. Most people didn’t know the history John Holmes had in the Los Angeles adult film industry. The murder in and of itself was horrific and with one survivor, it was a horrific battery. John’s palm print was on the brass bed headboard and wall. Everyone knew he did it but in the end AIDS got him.
The people in that house robbed Ed Nash, aa Armenian Mob figure. Ed Nash owned the Starwood, the Seven Seas Restaurant and 3 Kit Kat Klubs. Ed suspected John Holmes set up the robbery. Ed and his body guard threaten to kill Holmes unless he came up with suspects who robbed him. Holmes to Ed and his body guard to Wonderland where they slaughter everyone. Ed eventually went to jail for racketeering. Ed's daughter got Power of Attorney and closed all of his businesses. I was once a bouncer at the Lennox Kit Kat.
In aother video , they stated The print was from another time as it was not soaked in blood . The blood ran over an old print yet he would not identify the men who were involved that night . Gregory Diles and a couple of other men beat them to death. Tom Lange was one of the Detectives from the O.J. Simpson case was on this case as well
The Legendary John Holmes wasn't afraid to farvis another man's ass and had no problem doing it on film. G'damn dirty pigs. Shame shame to all those in that game 🙊
Even though I was never a porn fan, I've always been fascinated by this case. Boogie Nights and Wonderland are 2 of my favorite movies and they both have awesome soundtracks (if you like classic rock). Thanks for posting this. You guys are great!
Not really, the timeline of events has been pretty well established for quite some time, another inaccuracy is the claim of Eddie Nash never really admitting to anything, the fact is at one point during his trial years after the events he admitted to sending his bodyguard, whose name if I remember correctly was Greg, over to Wonderland to retrieve what had been stolen from him but at the same time claimed he didn't tell him to kill or harm anyone and for all he ever knew they didn't and it was anyone of a number of people who the Wonderland gang had screwed over that could have been who went in there afterwards and killed those people. Now of course that was a ridiculous statement but at the time he could safely make it because several years before in 1997 his bodyguard had passed away from health related issues, at that point he could implicate him and not worry about him turning around and testifying against him for putting him at the location of the crime on the early morning hours it happened, it's not like the guy was gonna turn around and say "Since you're gonna put me at the crime scene I'm gonna testify that you ordered me to kill them", he couldn't, he was dead. The only thing that really remains a mystery is whether or not Holmes actually participated in the murders by being forced to or whether he was just forced to watch, the only people who could have ever cleared up that detail are dead so it's just left up to people what they personally feel happened with that, but whether or not he was physically there isn't a mystery anymore and hasn't been for some time. After Holmes' death both Dawn Shiller and Holmes' ex wife both admitted to things that they never would have along as he was alive because those things would have put him on the scene and they protected him with their silence while he was still alive. The movie Wonderland is one of the very few examples of Hollywood writers getting their hands on a story and not greatly fictionalizing things for dramatic effect, which is curious because most of the time when they do that and you find out the true story behind something it leaves you wondering why they fictionalized something because the true story turns out to be even better and would have made for an even better movie. I'm constantly warning people in life not to believe they've learned about an historical event from watching a movie, but Wonderland is one of the very few movies that I'll tell someone if they wanna know what happened just watch the movie, I remember when the Wonderland murders broke in the news back in the summer of 81 and have always had an interest in them for that very reason, I've read about them, watched interviews with the people involved like the vice detective that knew Holmes from when Holmes was actually working as an informant for the LA vice squad in the 70's when he was making porn movies that was brought in by the detectives investigating the murders to talk to Holmes trying to get him to cooperate, his wife, Dawn Shiller, and even a guy never mentioned in any of these things who was the subject of a Martin Scorsese bio film called American Boy, that was made prior to his time in LA and these events, who was a friend of Scorsese from NY who'd happened to be hanging around at Wonderland with the gang and John Holmes just prior to the killings that was smart enough to see the writing on the wall and got away from the place and went back to NY just before the murders happened, another famous person who had inside knowledge of all this that's never mentioned in these things was the guy who was a young kid at the time and a lover of Liberace, he was portrayed in a movie by Matt Damon about his relationship with Liberace, he was hanging around with Eddie Nash at the time all this happened and he overheard things being said in Nashs' house that are of relevance to the case, yea, the movie Wonderland gets it right and is one of the very few movies I'll recommend to someone if they want to learn about a particular historical event.
This was excellently done. My late father was a drug trafficker and crime figure in Hollywood in the 70s and early 80's and I grew up around all the characters you are referencing.
I don't know why but I'm so into this case. After seeing it on unsolved mysteries and being betrayed in some movies like boogie nights and the one with val kilmer. But I don't know why but I'm so into this case and I'm glad you guys covered it
Im sure you have scene the video taken by police detectives of aftermath. Fascinating. What a bloodbath. The killers did not hold back but im stunned no one heard anything. Most victims were asleep i think.
@@javiermori1710 I think your correct, asleep after a hard day at the office ;) (snorting blow) & a massive haul of snow. Probably in a deep sleep, your brain would be so needing it.
I'm so obsessed with it. idk why but I'm fascinated by it. it's sad and awful but regardless they were humans and didn't deserve to die that way. especially Barbara Richardson and Susan Lanius.
I totally agree with you on that. They were human beings. They didn't deserve what they got. But it's something about this case that draws people in and want the truth of what happened that night
@@shaunfleming5860 i feel like I should correct myself. I dont think anyone should have died but something about those 2 women Barbara and Susan just gets to me. I know they said Susan didn't remember anything but do you think she actually may? I mean its possible. What do yall think John Holmes really did that nignt? I heard Eddie Nash went to the house but ya know how the internet goes...
Always been fascinated by this case. Ron Lanius was a Vietnam vet who spent time in jail for importing heroin inside dead soldiers. Apparently anyway. He was also suspect in many murders. Well, live by the sword I suppose. Great vid guys.
I knew Eddy Nash. I ended up in some of his clubs from time to time. Remember the seven seas on Hollywood Boulevard? The Odyssey in Westwood with its 3 floors?
Great video! I have the movie and have watched it maybe 100 times by now. I absolutely LOVE when an ‘era’ piece really catches the feel of the times. This is one of them. Whether it’s the lighting……the cast….the soundtrack……or a consolidation of it all, maybe 🤷🏻♂️ It’s like you can smell it……You can feel the heat……etc etc…. Anyway. I love the movie. I do understand why some reviewers don’t. We don’t all share the same opinions, and that’s okay.
Great video! This case is crazy!! I'd be nervous to live on the street to be honest the story gives me the creeps lol nevermind living in the actual home! You always have respect Mr. Grimm the people that have had trouble with this woman have been rude and had zero respect so I don't feel sorry if she yelled at them, you however always have class and respect. Very Grimm story that's for sure! The video of the walk through I've watched (idk why I subjected myself but did) it was scary props to the men who had to walk through that. The movie was phenomenal Val Kilmer crushed it!!!
And I believe the officer talking in crime scene video was part of the O.J. investigation. Thanks for doing this one. Wonderland is a favorite crime of mine to study.
This is my second video on your channel, which I am diggin! Love your style and overall vibe, you take us on an intimate journey as you casually stroll past the scene of the crime, an insiders view as you lay out the details. I was completely into it the whole way through. "Wonderland" there are so damn many layers to this, each an entire story in its own right. "Eddie Nash" you could do an entire video and then some just on him. "Johnny the Wad Holmes" a sad tragic chapter, I'm curious to know more about this guy, was there ever a time in his life prior to his downward slope, beginning with his involvement with porn, I'd consider that the crossing over to the dark side, was there ever a good regular sort of dude, I like to think he lived a better version of himself prior to the drugs, cocaine is some nasty business. Need to watch both "Wonderland" and "Boogie Nights", do a double feature, both are exceptional. Great job Sir, appreciate your work.😎❤️🔥
I was born in 70 ..and we lived on lookout mtn. We lived in a house my parents bought from the mamas and the papas. My brother went to that creepy wonderland school which has its own strange history. My mom was an actress ..and she was terrified during the Manson murders. Once when I was 4 I wandered off. I walked down to Lauren canyon and played under the stone arch that lead to the abandoned Houdini mansion. It’s a unique area that will always be a part of my life. LA…the city of lost angels
They rented that house for 750.00 a month. Can only imagine what it would go for today. Got that from an essay on the case in Rolling Stone magazine called "The Devil and John Holmes."
This was one of the worst murders-so seedy and gruesome. Thanks for being brave enough to go Grimms!
This story has fascinated me for many years. Holmes’s ex gf Dawn is a true survivor. Her book is a great read. Thank you both for this vlog and keep them coming!
What's the name of the book? I want to check it out myself.
@@marieduran6286 The Road Through Wonderland - Dawn Schiller
I knew her she was a sweet lady.
I gotta read that book ..
@@davidkos74 Thanks for sharing!!!! I def wanna check that out as well!!
Not many know this but in the movie wonderland ,christina applegate who played ron lannius wife only took the small part because as a kid she lived higher up on wonderland ave and remembered seeing the bloody mattresses outside the house after the murders happened ,crazy
That is eerie. Times have sure changed with how inn1979 they would just throw materials from a murder out in the street for the garbage men to pick up, versus now in 2023 it is considered prized evidence.
I remembered that Applegate was in the movie but I didn't know about her connection with the real murder location
F’ multiple sclerosis. 👎
@@KrazeeClark?
@@mikevaldez7684Christina Applegate has MS. That’s why they made that comment.
My older brother used to hang out with John and they got high together. My brother was a good guy, John took advantage of him many times, like not coming back with the drugs, apartment was robbed of jewelry, electronics, cash, etc. He knew it was John because he kind of avoided My brother after it but there's no proof of it. My brother would drive him around,..I seen him a few times, once sitting in the car one time while my brother came home to get something for a second and I'll never forget he was sitting in the passenger seat and Supertramp, "take the long way home"... Was playing on the radio. One other time he was sitting in the living room and didn't even acknowledge me when I said hi to him. Looking back he could of been high. At the time he was pretty much past his fame and looked like just a regular guy, kind of a scruffy beard going on.... Their friendship lasted only about less than a year, my brother before he passed away said to me that John ripped him off. I don't know the whole story, my brother was very private but just an interesting piece here. It definitely brought me back. Thanks... Oh and when the wonderland murders things happened it was hard for me to see him being involved in something like that but hey I didn't really know him that well and drugs makes you do those kind of things you know. Thanks again. You have a great piece here.
I read Dawn Schiller's book on her relationship with this lowlife Holmes. Your description of him and hers match 100%.
The power that addiction has,
Glad that your brother broke all ties with Holmes.
All the evil in the world and we’re going to cry about the long dead Holmes?
@@user-kcrpine Believe me .....we damn sure aint CRYING about nor for the long-dead John Holmes.
John Holmes - "I don't use drugs"
Dude never spent a sober day in his adult life.
Truth.
You are correct, sir, lol. 😂🤣😂😭😭😭(He was famously full of shit. He lied constantly about every aspect of his life, according to his closest "friends".)
J. Holmes had an interview and showed up stoned. That industry devoured him from inside out.
@@PoliteTia It wasn't as though he was dragged into it kicking and screaming, or made any effort to get out until it was way too late. Holmes milked it for all it was worth and then some.
@@chuckschillingvideos Well said.
This was a great movie by the way. Val Kilmer crushed it as John Holmes.
Dawn Signed my dvd✌🏻
Yes he did.. Excellent Movie 🍿
I thought Mark Walberg played John Holmes . 🤔🤨🤪
@@smartypants4571 He did in Boogie Nights. This movie is called Wonderland
@@smartypants4571 yeah in Boogie Nights. Wonderland film was all about this gang and muders with Val Kilmer
Interesting fact, I was in the LAPD academy when this happened. We were close to graduating and we were called to the house to search the surrounding property for a weapon. Found nothing but we were given an inside tour of the crime scene. All I recall is the smell.
Can you please describe the smell ? Was it more tobacco smell or the smell of death. I heard the body’s lied there for at least 12 hours.
@@Paul77ozee it reminded me of a dead dog
Interesting, we just got back from Cali on vacation. A friend took us up to check it out. The address numbers have been changed of course. The dvd of the film have the crazy extras too...worth a watch
That's so hot.
🤢 I can't even imagine...loved the movie though and Dawn's book....Thank Heavens for the Police....I could never do that job!!!
You said it right "No one in their right mind would mess with Nash." Holmes was clearly out of his mind.
COKED OUT OF HIS SKULL IN THAT INTERVIEW!!!! WOWWWW!
Weird guy, funny 😆 shit what you said, then he informs everybody. He doesn’t do drugs😭He’s not gay either I guess.🤣
It was true that he once was very health conscious & didn't smoke ,drink ,drugs ...but that changed...
@@reefferhemp9774 well 'he wasn't gay' in the sense that he was married & then didn't have any problems having sex with women on film .
@@andchat6241 that’z what you call a very horny man, like Diddy🎃
@@andchat6241 well Let’z just say he was an extremely horny man, just like Diddy was🥴🥃🃏
Great job doing this story, very informative!
I grew up close to this area, this was huge and very confusing news at the time. Throughout the 1970's, we explored much of the Laurel Canyon area never really knowing what was happening behind all those closed doors. It's a very haunted area anyway, and no way could I ever live in a house like that.
And here I was thinking what a cool layout this house must have;)
John 3:19
James 1:15
Acts 2:38
We All Need Repentance and Salvation
only 1 place for this mission
The Cross of Calvary
Jesus death, burial, Resurrection!
John 8:12
I remember Laurel Canyon in the 70s it was a spittoon of debauchery!.
That is exactly what I was thinking. How could anybody live in that place today???
@@sophroniamason2730 With a spiritual cleansing before move in.
My mother bought me a bright yellow T-shirt when I was 7 years old from a second hand store and it had, I love Linda Love Lace, on the front.
I couldn't understand why my friends dads would laugh when I wore it.
My dad had a yellow vest with “I choked Linda Lovelace”. I had no idea what it meant at the time, and I’m shocked my mother allowed him to actually wear it 😂
Sick mom
I was so much expecting the woman living at the Wonderland house to come outside and start shouting at you but you were in luck hey! What a terrible history I wouldn’t want to live there! Thanks for another insightful location video.
Lol. I have seen other videos of her flipping people off and yelling.
Yeah that place gotta be haunted ..no f*ckin way would i buy a murder house .
@@BJ_D quite rightly too!
she has no right to say anything especially if you're across the street on public property
@@bigpun7916 Me neither. Especially that house, where the murder was especially brutal with multiple people dead. No way. I would not take the place for free. I would never feel at peace in my own home. Haunted or not haunted, there would always be the knowledge in my mind that there was a bloody, violent, brutal mess there many years ago. I need my home to be peaceful.
JH He's lit in the interview - strungout ......
Exactly like you comment reminds you of the Manson Tate murders ..,,
Great piece 👍
Wonderland was a great movie but John's real life was so much more tragic than people realized
By all accounts John was a pathological liar, he was so bad he would believe his own lies.
John Holmes was a complete piece of human garbage.
Such a good movie. I think they really nailed it on the realism. They didn't get how unhealthy he was at the end of it all but the scenes are pretty horrific, the house looks very similar and the whole lead up was dead on. Shout out to Lisa Kudrow too, that was her best role as a drama in my opinion. Wonderland, watch it!
The part about David Lind and Barbara Richardson is almost all fiction. Their whereabouts, arrival, comings and goings weren't as they were portrayed as in the film. I know that's just a Hollywood thing, but in that film, I took it so literally, especially since they jump cut in the real death shots. My husband and I tend to rewatch some of the same films. I can't watch that one again.
Lisa Kudrow! Who stole her Oscar that year????? Criminals!
Great work, as always! I will also note that the night of the murders, Holmes showed up at the home of his wife, Sharon, who hadn't seen him in months. He was covered in blood and Sharon, a former nurse, ran a bath for him in an effort to try and clean and treat his wounds. However, Sharon quickly realized that John was not injured and that the blood was not his. According to Sharon, John told her he had been involved in a robbery and had been made to witness the murder of his fellow perpetrators. Shortly after cleaning up, Holmes left and returned to the motel where his girlfriend was waiting for him. Strange guy.
I remember that scene with Val Kilmer in the movie
Lisa Kudrow played Holmes wife Sharon.
I will also note that I saw that movie as well, quickly realizing that daid scene was pretty good.
He was found not guilty..
He was a POS
Val Kilmer did a amazing job playing John Holmes he should have had a Oscar nomination
The movies that tbe majority of the public likes, the critics do not, nor the people who decide on the awards.
Yes! And it’s rarely on lists I have seen of his best work.
@@nicolaxoxo1i agree
I don't know if that's funny or sad. I'll go with funny. 😆
And Boogie Nights totally ripped the movie off. Totally plagiarism.
You did such a good job with this story, I've been obsessed with this case for years
That song in the intro, I'll never get bored of it. love it!
Yeah. That keyboard instrumental music matches music heard in porn flics of the 70s. I'll never forget a porn flic I saw in an adult movie theater decades ago. Showed the guy with a girl as the main riff for the song Black Dog from Led Zeppelin was playing, lol! Some things you can't help remembering for the rest of your life.
When John Holmes was arrested the detective said, "Holmes, you're going to hang for this!" To which John replied, "Too late. I'm already hung."
That can't be true ! 🤔🤨🤣
@@smartypants4571 Why not.?
LOL 🤣😆👍
Brilliant
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I just wanted to point out that the Georgina, whose name and handprints are on the sidewalk in front of the Pussycat Theater, was more than likely Georgina Spelvin, who was the star of The Devil In Miss Jones.
Yes! Thats who it was. No doubt!
And don't forget that hilarious scene in police academy!!!
@@benjamanmelvin2746 😂 Classic stuff.
Crazy! When they remodeled/revamped the Pussy Cat, my dad did the metal work in the entryway. But I was only like 5 when it started closing down. I remember walking down Sherman Way and seeing the handprints... Nostalgia at it's naughtiest.
@@sonjagupton819- maybe it's just me. I've seen porn flics ever since I was old enough to see them in such type movie theaters (circa 1982). To me, even though down the road porn got polished, back in the 80s it was grittier and more in depth (no pun intended).
Very informative video! I was so nervous the home owner would come out. Thank you for the content! ❤️
"I don't need drugs" While smoking a cigarette. 🤣😂🤣
@@terry4137 🚬 😎
SURE Johnny, free basing didn't count huh?
He was smoking more than that
Bro you're kidding right? Not even today would someone say yeah I use drugs, I smoke cigarettes 😂. What are you 5? Tf
Sweating like mad, tweaking & talking garbled non-sense!! I'm so glad you don't do drugs John. WTFF???
Appreciate the content!
Thank you so much Kena. Hope you are well and HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!!
The Wonderland Murders to me will be an unsolved mystery and Holmes was an absolute trainwreck the last few years of his life. Great research and video guys and glad you were able to take video of the house, well done !!
He was a TRAIN WRECK because he had AIDS..
I wouldn’t call it “unsolved”…it just wasn’t proven within a reasonable doubt.
I bought the Wonderland DVD at Walmart around 2008. Was really surprised to see the crime scene footage added in as a bonus feature.
Thanks Michael, for getting this video done. I've been interested in The Wonderland murders for years, myself. And yes, Wonderland is a great film for anyone who is fascinated by the whole ordeal.
Hello my friend as a true California native, born and raised in Malibu California. I want to help you a little bit here first off on that porno, Hall of Fame, or walk of fame. Harry Reems is legend. as well as a few of the other individuals that you showed their hands and feet. The other pussycat theater was in Santa Monica where they have the promenade now. That was right down the street Melrose and La Brea where our restaurant was via fettuccine. very famous Nash used to come there quite a bit. As I would play later on in my life at the Starwood and many other clubs that he owned.
Nicely made. There were actually 3 members of the Wonderland Gang that entered Nash's home for the robbery: Ron Launius, Billy DeVerell and David Lind. Tracy McCourt waited in the getaway car. I was lucky enough to take pics of the Doña Lola home before it was remodeled. Malice In Wonderland: The Inside Story of the Police Investigation of The Laurel Canyon Murders is the best book I've read about the the murders.
You have pics of the original house?? I’d love to see those!! If possible
I would love to see the pics too. ❤
Eddie Nash owned the Starwood (among other businesses) which was located at the intersection of Santa Monica and Crescent Heights. The amount of Hollywood music history that happened there could be an episode in itself - Van Halen, Motley Crue, Dokken, Quiet Riot, Go Go's, so many more.
Yes, that is true. That is where Randy Rhoads began to make a name for himself in Quiet Riot.
There was a bit of a rivalry between him and Eddie Van Halen. However, according to his brother (Kelle Rhoads). It was exaggerated by the press (As most things are.).
Back in 1980 i saw the Plimsouls at the Starwood , i was about 16. 🤪
Regarding the Starwood, before HE was murdered Bobby Fuller and his Band the Bobby Fuller Four (remember their hit song "I fought Law") played there in 1965-1966. Fuller was murdered and found on Sycamore Ave. in Hollywood in 1966 (not more than 50 ft from where Janis Joplin was found dead from an overdose). Hollywood is FILLED with history
@@TheJayrockerrActually there was a rivalry between three guitar players then Eddie Van Halen Randy Rhodes and George Lynch Van Halen quiet Riot The Boyz \ Xciter
It was a very fuel guitar hero time all sorts of shredders were coming on the scene but that was a big venue Starwood as was the whiskey gazzaris Saw all three bands around the strip
The Eddie Nash thing with him hiding money and drugs under the stage everyone was playing on still just absolutely floors me ...(sorry🤣)
@TheJayrockerr Eddie's son wolf playd at the rock N roll hall of fame recently for ozzy osbourne getting in and he played Randy's crazy train solo he did good randy and Eddie would have been proud
John Holmes was creepy as hell. Must have been stoned during that interview ( he never took drugs??) LOL
I absolutely love the plants and greenery at the houses on the street, so full of life and color. Passing by you would never know a house that beautiful had that type of a history.
That does look nice.
thru the screen that house radiates trash and murder, no amount of greenery can take that away (this is my perspective)
@@jamesmacaw3865 Because we know what happened and compared to how they kept it, it looks good. I bet the house was dirt cheap, I wouldn't live there though.
Harry Reems, u should of known
@@denisemorrell8212 Yes.. he was Linda Lovelace's co-star in "Deep Throat".. I was surprised to hear this man say.."who ever he is"..
Wow…you intrigued me absolutely ⭐️
Wonderland with Val Kilmer *is* worth a look. Fortunately, nothing discomforting tends to be found in the movie. It's more of a filmic experience involving the Wonderland murders. The director spared no expense on quality. You won't waste your time seeing it.
Absolutely fascinating. Big fan of Boogie Nights, and Wonderland. Have been interested in the case for years. Awesome vid and narrative. Top quality!
Surprised Johnny didn’t leave an impression of his “package” in the cement. 😂😂😂
He brought hes own 'bat' too the murder scene 😁
The cement square wasn't big enough.
That's because it probably would go into the street )!
Yeah....they should have made him mushroom stamp the masonry! But like the the guy said, they would have had to extend it all the way to the street!
I thought the same thing 😅😂😅😂
Most of today's society, if they were asked who John Holmes was, they'd be clueless. He was a legend back in the day.
I can't believe that anyone would live in that house knowing what happened there. I don't care how many years had gone by.
It’s not the dead you need to fear … but the living .
@@aussiecoastie72Both. Not dead people but demons.
As long it's not hunted..😊
@@martinescobar6475 - how can Eddie's former house be haunted if it was torn down and rebuilt? However, I believe the remains of the house and surrounding property of the former house that Aleister Crowley lived in (Boleskin House) remains evil to this day.
I'd like there. It's a nice house.
Eddie Nash will always be Alfred Molina rocking out to “Sister Christian” in my mind
You’re damn right!!!
Amazing amazing actor, loved him in the Perez Family and Enchanted April
Great scene, with the fireworks and all.
To me Bogosian in Wonderland was better but Molina was very good.
That’s exactly what I thought about when I heard him talking about it because I was very young but I remember seeing that movie as well, and I remembered Alfred Molina playing that character but I also saw the Wonderland movie which I’ll have to go back and see again, and there was someone who was a Middle Eastern guy
Great video, as always! I agree with others that Wonderland was a really good film, Val Kilmer especially amazing! Thanks for taking us to the locations, very interesting to see these places.
I had to jump on this one. This one was creepy AF when it happened...weird. I've watched and read everything on this including the police video with the bodies still in place. This was a brutal killing and those people were innocent. What got me was neighbors heard the screams but thought it was a "scream therapy" session going on. Only in California, the land of fruits and nuts. And me being a native. Smdh.
Innocent tho? Thats questionable
Those people were far from innocent. They were dope slinging , armed robbers who had monster drug habits themselves. They thought they were wild but ran into Eddie Nash. The Wonderland gang got exactly what they had coming.
Only in California? You could eat a guys face in Florida and someone would say, ahhh just another day
Scream therapy? Well, possible if you live in such a screwed up state like California. They always elect the worst of the worst for their politicians. New York state a close second.
Being born in Los Angeles and fond of movie locations I myself would get a little nervous when scouting locations although always respectful.I’m 54 and never knew of this crime 🤔great video and content as always you and baby goul are awesome 😎
They made a great movie with Val Kilmer .
Well done Sir. Born here and lived in So. Cal all my Life, use to live in Chatsworth just a few miles from Manson Family Ranch.
I loved your video! Thank you! You can tell you put a lot of time, effort, and hard work into making them! Keep up the amazing job! And kudos to you for getting video of the house! I hate confrontation and being yelled at! You were brave and respectful!
Guys, I've been watching UA-cam since its release. I've never really subscribed to anything just until this year, and only a few. You're one of them. I truly enjoy your personalities and how you bring locations to life. You're just a joy to watch and how you tell the stories. You two are a great couple and I appreciate what you're doing. You are going to these locations because it's your life's work and you enjoy it. It truly shows. Thanks for sharing it with us because without you, we are in the dark about alot of things. EXCELLENT! 👍
Nice job guys. Loved the views of West Hollywood back in the day. Although I was never there,I remember those events quite well & was a young married man when they unfolded. A way different time. A way different world. Actually I believe they were better days than what we all are dealing with right now. Bravo to you & your crew & I hope things will get better in this world.
Make the world better by BEING better yourSELF!
I absolutely love living through you two! Seeing things i might never see. Thanks for the great content!
Great video! Very informative, loved it
Just ran across your video. Great job, ive always been interested in this story as well. Great video very informative.
man, if i ever got to live in a house with dark history, i would let you come in and film it! Great video once again mate, cheers!
I know, right? I would serve Michael and Jessica dinner!
@@darlenegriffith6186 absolutely a wicked dinner party and chat about what happened maybe some analysis of it all. But I don’t think I could live there, I’d have to have some people always around me, to keep the mojo right.
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The lady living there would make a buttload (pun intended) of money if she would let people come in for just 10 minutes to just check it out. But I'm sure the city would be all over her (another intended pun) about the noise and of course the traffic and parking in that tiny stretch of street. I've driven thru it several times and it's a pain in the ass! (sorry, one last pun)
@@MrMuzikProductions yeah you think if people live in these type of houses they might as well just embrace it's infamous history, it's history regardless and you might as well make a little money off it. shoot look at the Lizzie Borden home it was converted to a bed and breakfast hotel
My friend Julia Negron exwife of Chuck Negron, discovered the bodies at wonderland. She fled to call police, leaving another person there who the police found when responding.
I thought this case was so brutal. Yes all crimes and murders are brutal,but this one really just hit. I also think that one scene in the movie Boogie Nights was based off of this crime. Love the content,and you and Jessica are the best UA-cam couple!!! Blessed Be :)
You're spot on there, sis; the scene from "Boogie Nights" was indeed a thinly-veiled reenactment for the Wonderland Murders. Great movie!
Yeah...our favorite scene from Boogie nights was the "Awesome tape mix" where they play "Sister Christian". We are old enough to have had our own awesome tape mix...although never named it so!🤣 So yeah Boogie Nights got my husband and I interested in seeing the "talented" member that was John Holmes. I nearly fell over. I was like "That is NEVER gonna fit in her!" It hurt my Va Jay Jay to watch!! I definitely walked away thinking....Bigger is NOT better! The film we saw was about the time he had AIDS. John wasn't able to keep at full attention. He didn't look healthy at all. Never heard or seen the Val Kilmer movie. We are gonna watch it this summer. My husband is retiring and I already am so we are gonna travel! (Am just disappointed at Hollywood going back to the well....making another "Top Gun" on the subject of Val Kilmer.) I've been to several grisly historic homes. I love history and remind people that although dark...all of this IS history!
@@skilltreed540 I love history as well. I also had mixed tapes lol
@@eagleman1542 Yes it was.
Yes an his baby goul😀😀😊😅😅
Interesting showing the Crypt , I have read that Hugh Hefner bought the 'Crypt' next to where Marilyn Monroe is interred , Hefner obviously paid for the 'previous occupant' to be moved, so even in death Marilyn could not avoid creeps like Hefner making moves on her
Excellent production.
Thank you!
Wow .. I'd never heard of this ...heard of John Holmes, obviously.....but WOW I had no idea.... Thank you Grimlifecollective for taking us all on your amazing travels....and telling the story with such awe and respect. Wonderful 👍👍👍
There was an issue of hustler magazine that had an article of the wonderland murders. The photos were very graphic. I also remember Eddie Nash investigated several times way before the wonderland murders.
Eddie had the whole city under his thumb
I still can't believe I just found out about your channel! I've been binge watching almost all your videos! Amazing content and great research!
It’s one of the best channels on UA-cam!
You,ve got some catching up to do,but every single one is brilliant,best channel on UA-cam,along with Scott on tape ❤️👍🤘 enjoy.
Um how Did you not know about this Channel? Is that Even Possible?!! Lol
Stumbled on this. Really well done and informative. I love both the films you reference. Keep up the great content!
When Grimm said there might be some danger in taking video of the house, I was like "Ok, just be careful, dude." Then he started shooting the house while talking about it for a good minute.... then kept shooting the house and getting closer! At which point I was sitting on the edge of my couch practically yelling at the screen for him to get outta there before something awful DID happen to him! He had way more guts than I ever would doing the same thing. Anyway, another great episode. I'm a huge fan. Keep them coming!
Nicely done !
I'm glad you guys were able to get the shots from outside the wonderland home as well.
Kindof neat that the car today is the same color as the one before it years ago.
As always, great work guys 👏
You are brave bringing this story out. I can literally feel your trepidation as you close in on the Wonderland house.
This is the kind of stuff I want to hear about. All those others talk about murders that happened over a hundred years ago. That's fine and all but please include more stories like this. GOOD JOB DUDE!
Hes awesome
Great video about this very scary and horrific crime. I was only 10 years old when it happened, but i still remember watching the news reports on tv and it sent chills down my spine and it still does to this very day.
I do true crime videos. I went up that same street to the wonderland house february of 2011. Even went on the steps. The owner was a male at the time. He came outside and smoked a cigarette while watching us. He was very cool about it. Said he had no problems sleeping in the house. Didn't know a new owner moved in
Julianne Moore’s character in Boogie Nights, Amber Waves, was an homage to Marilyn Chambers
That was a fantastic picture and I don’t even watch porn.
I was just remembering that scene in Boogie Nights when Mark Wahlberg drove over to the house.
Thank you from Wales, Uk 👍Love your videos, keep up the great work
Great video ! Thanks ! My Cousin worked security at The Starwood. He always said Eddie Nash was not a man to mess with.
Dontmess with Eddie Nash he will Bash you up
I saw the movie years ago. Now you have pulled it all together for me. Thank You.
Brilliant job covering this case! Thanks so much!! I've seen other channels cover The Wonderland Murders, seen both movies & your channel nailed it in less than 20 minutes....truly one of the most horrific crimes in Hollywood... 😢Cheers!🎉
Such a great channel. Hollyweird history is so fascinating, the Holmes story ticks all the boxes in a glimpse behind the curtain. Boogie Nights and Wonderland are must views, Anderson's film is a classic. Another great doc!
Wunderland murderers I never knew much about. Thanks for a look inside the story. I've read everything I can on the Manson family. This one looks very similar as to a hit. John Holmes never the snitch took the story to his grave. Incredible. Definitely going to research more on this case. Thanks again. You guys are so awesome.
John Holmes was told to have snitched to the police about porn shoots he was not part of. Motivation and accuracy of that ,I cannot verify .
@@bruceflashback3877 ok
John Holmes was an informant for the police, and ratted out many of his co-workers to the Police Department when he got busted in exchange for leniency.
@@christophercrochet5454 I'm talking about the murders. He was there. It's an unsolved case. As far as I've read Holmes refused to say who he let in the house that bloody nite.
Wonderland.
The owner just happens to have a white car parked in the garage with the door open, similar to the crime scene extra on the dvd 🤔 but doesn’t want ppl stopping by?
Wow you are evolving aren't you? I like your new documentary style videos. Very good, been watching you for a long while now GRIMM.
Well done video, thanks for posting!
I just discovered your channel, and I must say this video was fantastic, I love true crime and this video was very informative. Your attention to detail is impeccable!
I absolutely love the part of going to the Pussycat. Most people didn’t know the history John Holmes had in the Los Angeles adult film industry.
The murder in and of itself was horrific and with one survivor, it was a horrific battery. John’s palm print was on the brass bed headboard and wall. Everyone knew he did it but in the end AIDS got him.
I didn't here this wow sad
The people in that house robbed Ed Nash, aa Armenian Mob figure. Ed Nash owned the Starwood, the Seven Seas Restaurant and 3 Kit Kat Klubs. Ed suspected John Holmes set up the robbery. Ed and his body guard threaten to kill Holmes unless he came up with suspects who robbed him. Holmes to Ed and his body guard to Wonderland where they slaughter everyone. Ed eventually went to jail for racketeering. Ed's daughter got Power of Attorney and closed all of his businesses. I was once a bouncer at the Lennox Kit Kat.
In aother video , they stated The print was from another time as it was not soaked in blood . The blood ran over an old print yet he would not identify the men who were involved that night . Gregory Diles and a couple of other men beat them to death. Tom Lange was one of the Detectives from the O.J. Simpson case was on this case as well
There was a pussycat theater in the valley
The Legendary John Holmes wasn't afraid to farvis another man's ass and had no problem doing it on film. G'damn dirty pigs. Shame shame to all those in that game 🙊
Even though I was never a porn fan, I've always been fascinated by this case. Boogie Nights and Wonderland are 2 of my favorite movies and they both have awesome soundtracks (if you like classic rock). Thanks for posting this. You guys are great!
What songs are in this movie???
Your statement about the timeline is profound. When striving to understand or comprehend something, exactness eludes us.
Not really, the timeline of events has been pretty well established for quite some time, another inaccuracy is the claim of Eddie Nash never really admitting to anything, the fact is at one point during his trial years after the events he admitted to sending his bodyguard, whose name if I remember correctly was Greg, over to Wonderland to retrieve what had been stolen from him but at the same time claimed he didn't tell him to kill or harm anyone and for all he ever knew they didn't and it was anyone of a number of people who the Wonderland gang had screwed over that could have been who went in there afterwards and killed those people.
Now of course that was a ridiculous statement but at the time he could safely make it because several years before in 1997 his bodyguard had passed away from health related issues, at that point he could implicate him and not worry about him turning around and testifying against him for putting him at the location of the crime on the early morning hours it happened, it's not like the guy was gonna turn around and say "Since you're gonna put me at the crime scene I'm gonna testify that you ordered me to kill them", he couldn't, he was dead.
The only thing that really remains a mystery is whether or not Holmes actually participated in the murders by being forced to or whether he was just forced to watch, the only people who could have ever cleared up that detail are dead so it's just left up to people what they personally feel happened with that, but whether or not he was physically there isn't a mystery anymore and hasn't been for some time.
After Holmes' death both Dawn Shiller and Holmes' ex wife both admitted to things that they never would have along as he was alive because those things would have put him on the scene and they protected him with their silence while he was still alive.
The movie Wonderland is one of the very few examples of Hollywood writers getting their hands on a story and not greatly fictionalizing things for dramatic effect, which is curious because most of the time when they do that and you find out the true story behind something it leaves you wondering why they fictionalized something because the true story turns out to be even better and would have made for an even better movie.
I'm constantly warning people in life not to believe they've learned about an historical event from watching a movie, but Wonderland is one of the very few movies that I'll tell someone if they wanna know what happened just watch the movie, I remember when the Wonderland murders broke in the news back in the summer of 81 and have always had an interest in them for that very reason, I've read about them, watched interviews with the people involved like the vice detective that knew Holmes from when Holmes was actually working as an informant for the LA vice squad in the 70's when he was making porn movies that was brought in by the detectives investigating the murders to talk to Holmes trying to get him to cooperate, his wife, Dawn Shiller, and even a guy never mentioned in any of these things who was the subject of a Martin Scorsese bio film called American Boy, that was made prior to his time in LA and these events, who was a friend of Scorsese from NY who'd happened to be hanging around at Wonderland with the gang and John Holmes just prior to the killings that was smart enough to see the writing on the wall and got away from the place and went back to NY just before the murders happened, another famous person who had inside knowledge of all this that's never mentioned in these things was the guy who was a young kid at the time and a lover of Liberace, he was portrayed in a movie by Matt Damon about his relationship with Liberace, he was hanging around with Eddie Nash at the time all this happened and he overheard things being said in Nashs' house that are of relevance to the case, yea, the movie Wonderland gets it right and is one of the very few movies I'll recommend to someone if they want to learn about a particular historical event.
You are such a good story teller, thats why I love your vids.
Thank you Lost Dutchman
This was excellently done. My late father was a drug trafficker and crime figure in Hollywood in the 70s and early 80's and I grew up around all the characters you are referencing.
What can you tell about the time and Nash?
@@charrua59 that was my father. He wasn’t involved with narcotics
Holy wow !!
@@ketaminefiend4485
Who was your father?
I don't know why but I'm so into this case. After seeing it on unsolved mysteries and being betrayed in some movies like boogie nights and the one with val kilmer. But I don't know why but I'm so into this case and I'm glad you guys covered it
Im sure you have scene the video taken by police detectives of aftermath. Fascinating. What a bloodbath. The killers did not hold back but im stunned no one heard anything. Most victims were asleep i think.
@@javiermori1710 I think your correct, asleep after a hard day at the office ;) (snorting blow) & a massive haul of snow. Probably in a deep sleep, your brain would be so needing it.
I'm so obsessed with it. idk why but I'm fascinated by it. it's sad and awful but regardless they were humans and didn't deserve to die that way. especially Barbara Richardson and Susan Lanius.
I totally agree with you on that. They were human beings. They didn't deserve what they got. But it's something about this case that draws people in and want the truth of what happened that night
@@shaunfleming5860 i feel like I should correct myself. I dont think anyone should have died but something about those 2 women Barbara and Susan just gets to me. I know they said Susan didn't remember anything but do you think she actually may? I mean its possible. What do yall think John Holmes really did that nignt? I heard Eddie Nash went to the house but ya know how the internet goes...
This video sent me down a rabbit hole. I watched the Wonderland movie and any other video I could find on UA-cam within the week.
Really admire, how tactful, respectful & insightful you are covering the subject matter of your pieces.
Well done , God Bless
Georgina is Georgina Spelvin who was an actress in "The Devil In Miss Jones" (among others). Great vid as always, kids! 😀👍🏻✌🏻☕️🥯☘️☘️☘️
Always been fascinated by this case. Ron Lanius was a Vietnam vet who spent time in jail for importing heroin inside dead soldiers. Apparently anyway. He was also suspect in many murders. Well, live by the sword I suppose. Great vid guys.
I knew Eddy Nash. I ended up in some of his clubs from time to time. Remember the seven seas on Hollywood Boulevard? The Odyssey in Westwood with its 3 floors?
Same here. Worked at the Starwood.
Eddie Nash wa the real deal
Great work on this vid, I saw the movie fantastic acting by Val Kilmer!! Everyone should see this, drugs and drinking are the worst
Great video!
I have the movie and have watched it maybe 100 times by now.
I absolutely LOVE when an ‘era’ piece really catches the feel of the times. This is one of them.
Whether it’s the lighting……the cast….the soundtrack……or a consolidation of it all, maybe 🤷🏻♂️
It’s like you can smell it……You can feel the heat……etc etc….
Anyway. I love the movie. I do understand why some reviewers don’t. We don’t all share the same opinions, and that’s okay.
And another one this story was crazy when I first heard of them love this channel so much u guys truly do kill it every time
Great video! This case is crazy!! I'd be nervous to live on the street to be honest the story gives me the creeps lol nevermind living in the actual home! You always have respect Mr. Grimm the people that have had trouble with this woman have been rude and had zero respect so I don't feel sorry if she yelled at them, you however always have class and respect. Very Grimm story that's for sure! The video of the walk through I've watched (idk why I subjected myself but did) it was scary props to the men who had to walk through that. The movie was phenomenal Val Kilmer crushed it!!!
And I believe the officer talking in crime scene video was part of the O.J. investigation. Thanks for doing this one. Wonderland is a favorite crime of mine to study.
Yes. Tom Lange- he and a co-author also have a book out on the case and their investigation.
* their book is "Malice on Wonderland".
This is my second video on your channel, which I am diggin! Love your style and overall vibe, you take us on an intimate journey as you casually stroll past the scene of the crime, an insiders view as you lay out the details. I was completely into it the whole way through. "Wonderland" there are so damn many layers to this, each an entire story in its own right. "Eddie Nash" you could do an entire video and then some just on him. "Johnny the Wad Holmes" a sad tragic chapter, I'm curious to know more about this guy, was there ever a time in his life prior to his downward slope, beginning with his involvement with porn, I'd consider that the crossing over to the dark side, was there ever a good regular sort of dude, I like to think he lived a better version of himself prior to the drugs, cocaine is some nasty business. Need to watch both "Wonderland" and "Boogie Nights", do a double feature, both are exceptional. Great job Sir, appreciate your work.😎❤️🔥
I was born in 70 ..and we lived on lookout mtn. We lived in a house my parents bought from the mamas and the papas. My brother went to that creepy wonderland school which has its own strange history.
My mom was an actress ..and she was terrified during the Manson murders.
Once when I was 4 I wandered off. I walked down to Lauren canyon and played under the stone arch that lead to the abandoned Houdini mansion.
It’s a unique area that will always be a part of my life.
LA…the city of lost angels
They rented that house for 750.00 a month. Can only imagine what it would go for today. Got that from an essay on the case in Rolling Stone magazine called "The Devil and John Holmes."
Zillow says it’d go for around $950,000. Not bad at all for that location 🤷♂️
In Boogie nights Eddie Nash was the guy lighting off fireworks in his home. You want to play baseball LoL!
That movie, Wonderland, is AWESOME.
Great job man. Awesome content awesome video 😎🤘🏾✌🏾
I love your videos!!! You do a GREAT job as usual. Thank you!!
I truly love this channel. Each video is emotionally moving in varying ways.