@@StealthTheFoxz Hey I might help the slavers, crucifiers, pillagers, rapists and terrorists but I still make the time to donate to the Followers every week. So don't you go calling me evil. Now if you'll excuse me I need to go kill those slaves forced to compete in the arena.
crazy how much better the writing is for this, and how much extra content you get by being a faction's friend, instead of just getting "another settlement needs your help"
@@gerald1495 tf are you on? Being able to pick and choose several factions to be allied with instead of “all vs one” is awesome. Being friends with the Khans, boomers, and remnants and getting to pick any of the major factions for them to follow is great! Better than anything Bethesda has done
@@gerald1495 You're defending the Fallout with the worst dialogue, the dumbest story, the most shallow themes, most repetitive and boring gameplay, the most unexciting open world, the most sleep-inducing exploration, and most non-existent RPG elements, and somehow HE'S the one who's 'glazing'?
0:23: I love the subtle reference to the game’s respawn mechanic. It basically tells you that if you want your legion loot you better remember to go grab it.
I'm pretty sure hes just telling you that you can't use the dropbox as your own personal container, as items placed in them will be destroyed every time the loot respawns
Friendly reminder for all not of the Legion : if you get access to the dropboxes, they'll still respawn for you, even if your faction relations plummet. My advice for optimal results is to gain enough favor with them to unlock it before deciding on who to actually side with.
@@ottovonbismarck7646 If I see a legionaire the bloodlust overtakes me and I immediately black out and wake up with vilified legion reputation, completely understandable
@@Roman_Imperator Nah, just hate slavers, simple as NCR has its own problems that also makes me hate them but I have no reason to discuss my opinions on the factions past this point :)
I think it would have made them much more interesting as enemies if they used Stealthboys in game and would make sense in aiding their mission in the Mojave. Nightkin are big an semi obvious when "invisible" but humans with them in combat(like those few seen in Lonesome Road) definitely catch you off guard and that was cool.
I really wanna see how Vupes Inculta reacts to you when you first arrive in Nipton, when you're basically already at the end of the game and about to meet up with the Legate. It'd be funny if it's the same "I won't have you lashed to a cross" and you be like, "Bro, I am literally Ceasers right hand man and am about to win Hover Dam."
He actually recognizes you after he invited you to the fort. He even jests about wearing a Wolf Head and in overall seems to appreciate that you are around.
if you're further into the questline without talking to him at nipton and then fast travel there, he will ask why you're so far from your objectives (aka all the way down at nipton) and won't give you the cold heart quest or whatever it's called.
I noticed that the Legion despite being more or less the "bad guys" seem to truly appreciate those who help them. The NCR forces you to join them to get benefits, whereas the Legion willingly gives you items for free just for being an ally to them.
The NCR are only the "good guys" because the game wasn't finished. There's not enough instances reading available to see their corruption. Them killing off stragglers who get near their water for instance. It's a shane there's only say much corruption available to see from them in the base game. Them being goons for the biggest rangers for instance is pure tyranny.
Hey, if you want to be idolized by both the NCR and the Legion whilst doing a Mr House or a Yes Man playthrough, commit as many crimes against the Legion, including nuking them, and ONLY them at the end of Lonesome Road, which should give you the idolized reputation with thw NCR. And then only head to the strip and get pardoned by Vulpes or Alerio. Then span as many MCR dogtags and give them to Alerius of Pheonix for a Legion rep boost. Do that until you get idolized and you should either stay idolized until the end of the game or sometimes you might get one of those reputation levels like Wild Child, which works differently for either of them. The NCR trooper and rangers won't attack you with that reputation level but the Legion will
@@zombiefanatic4833 yes but if you do things that don't impact either of them, then they won't send the death squads after you. Always worked like a charm. Also you know that gas station that nearby the billboard where you find the lonesome drifter? If you ever fast travel there whilst having their death squads after you, just take a good look around yourself and if you notice them, RUN LIKE HELL. This is how I got the Legion death squads off mu back when they started going after me
I would love the Legion minus the slave part. Like they have little girls as slaves, they are using little girls as sex slaves so that is just really offputting to me
I took my Legion playthrough to the extremes. In a TTW game (Tale of Two Wastelands mod that combines Fallouts 3 and New Vegas into a single massive game) my Frumentariius, Hanlon Graham, went all the way to the Capital Wasteland when Caesar commands you to destroy the Brotherhood of Steel, infiltrated the organization, and then during the Broken Steel DLC, used the Enclave satellite missiles to target and destroy the Citadel, wiping out both chapters.
@@seronymus wouldnt that be theoretically impossible without mods? et tumor brute starts after the cutoff where the other main faction quests autofail imagine a quadruple agent though, doing each questline until the cutoff, then finishing with yesman's quests
Really happy to see your viewership go up again, you make really great content for Fallout, things I haven't seen before and I've been playing FNV since release.
These videos help show me how many different characters each voice actor is used for 😂 when you're playing the game it's not as noticeable but in a video it's a slap to the face
It's a real shame that Legion content is lacking. So much of the game is NCR-related, sidequest or mainquest. Legion, in spite of being one of the primary factions, only has a small handful of sidequests. I wish the game map were larger, with Vegas in the center north, slightly westward, but the west being NCR and part of California, and the east being Legion and part of Colorado. The river should've run roughly through the middle. It'd be neat to see the polarity of life between the west and the east, as well as the skirmishes along the border. I believe that, if the Legion had more quests and characters, they'd be appreciated more. Still, their rep reward rewards are so much better than any other faction, so I suppose that's an incentive: lucky shades, and those weekly boxes have amazing stuff in there - at the very worst, you'll still get a lot of money through Denari and selling the stuff you don't want, on top of Denari being used for Coin Shot 12 gauge shells.
@@amygobrrrThat's exactly what I was going to say, no amount of new content is going to make up for the fact that they enslave people and regularly commit genocide.
@@supremegroden3021 taking slaves, crucifying people, treating women like shit isn't plenty cartoonish to you? the fact groups of people have been as bad or worse in real life doesn't mean the legion aren't the unambiguously evil faction with basically no redeeming qualities
@@amygobrrrThat's not cartoonish at all. They have their own solid reasons to do such things despite the moral bankruptcy, making them complex antagonists that fit in post-apocalypse theme. Legion are the pragmatic lawful evil in this case with their unapologetic brutal discipline.
I don't think its fair to say that they have no redeeming qualities, Caesar's law may be brutal, and many actions and elements of the legion may be immoral (by modern standards certainly). But along with that brutality and control, Caesar brought peace and prosperity to Arizona, Colerado and Utah by unifying all of the groups of tribals and raiders under his banner by force. No, the territories under Caesars legion are not a nice place to live, but they were subject to much more savagery, evil and barbarity before the Legion took control. This is evidenced by a quotation by Raul Tejada (the companion that the courier finds in Black Mountain) when asking what he thinks of the legion. He says as follows: "I don't really have a problem with them. People around here tend to see them as invading marauders planning to burn and pillage the countryside. But I've been to Arizona, boss. Before the Legion, it was a nasty place, so thick with raiders you couldn't trade with a town two miles up the road. Caesar's laws aren't nice, and their actions aren't always pretty. But then, neither am I, but you keep me around." This is further evidenced by a quotation from Caesar himself: "I used imperial Rome as the model for my Legion precisely because it was so foreign, so alien. I'd seen what had become of the NCR's attempts to emulate the culture of Pre-War America - the in-fighting, the corruption. Rome was a highly militarized autocracy that effectively integrated the foreign cultures it conquered. It dedicated its citizens to something higher than themselves - to the idea of Rome itself. In Rome I found a template for a society equal to the challenges of the post-apocalyptic world - a society that could and would survive. A society that could prevent mankind from fracturing and destroying itself in this new world, by establishing a new Pax Romana." The truth of the matter is that the Legion is no more inherently evil than the NCR (In fact, less so in some cases. Don't forget that the NCR massacred women and children in bitter springs, which the legion do not. Not to mention, the NCR slaughtered all enclave personnel that they discovered in Navarro, including civilians, for 'war crimes', which considering there are no records of any enclave survivors on base shows that there were no fair trials or assignment of responsibilities. Ie; the man that cleans the mess hall is equally as much an enemy as the man who kidnaps vault dwellers in a vertibird) And though possibly not a deliberate atrocity, the NCR also shares a responsibility for what happened in The Divide, for paying the courier in the first place to deliver the transmitter that detonated the nukes. (But considering how meticulously the Enclave kept their records, I find it very hard to believe that the NCR had no idea what this device was or what it was meant to do) And you even see through the events of the game itself, that the NCR is prepared to do near-enough anything as immoral as the legion if it will get them the results that they want. (Destabilizing New-Vegas by eliminating House. Paying mercs to antagonise Jacobstown so they can destroy it. Stealing land from its inhabitants then forcing them to pay taxes and slaughtering anyone who questions it) There are also plenty of lines of dialogue in-game that points to the corruption that's deeply entrenched in the NCR (at virtually every level from the Presidents themselves to the lowliest privates) The closer you look at them, you start to see a lot of the worst of Pre-War America within the NCR as an organisation. They have near-all the qualities that lead to the nuclear hellfire Great War in the first place, and have already done it again albeit on a more minor scale in the divide. So when you look at it? The legion isn't just the edgy evil faction, and the NCR isn't just the good guy trying to bring peace. They are both different sides to the same coin, and though their ideologies differ, I think it is safe to say that they both share a puritanical and absolutist nature. I think that's the beauty of New Vegas though, if you take the game at more than its face-value, it can have some very valuable lessons to teach you. The conflict between the NCR and the Legion, amongst other things, teaches that morality and righteousness isn't always black and white, in fact most of the time its grey. For both of these factions, the ends justify the means. But there is one crucial difference. Caesar has the ambition of turning the wastes into a civilization that can withstand the severity and brutality of the apocalypse. The NCR seeks only to expand so that it can become more powerful. The NCR is concerned chiefly (as was the Capitalist America pre-war) with what toys they have, what toys their neighbours have, and what they can forcefully take from their neighbour. To crave power for powers sake is dangerous, and it shows by the fact alone that the NCR actually has a lot more destruction (civilisations, towns and communities completely and entirely wiped out with no survivors and no mercy) in its history than the legion does. And for that reason, I would honestly say that the NCR is the bigger antagonist of the Mojave and Post-War America. (PS; On a side note, it doesn't necessarily corelate with what I've said, and it isn't canon as it isn't within the game. But as I was writing this, I considered the ending of the Lonesome Road DLC. I had wondered what may happen if it wasn't the courier who braved the divide to reach Ulysses' Temple where the active ICBMs are, but instead either General Oliver or Caesar.. This drove me to think of each factions attitude towards technology. The legion is distrustful of it, this is in part due to Caesar's belief that a reliance on advanced technology makes you weaker, and due to his correct observation that it is responsible for the wasteland in the first place. With that being said, if Caesar had discovered Ulysses' Temple, I believe he would have either left the nuclear weapons undisturbed OR even attempt to have them permanently disarmed. Looking at the NCRs attitude towards tech and weapons however? I don't doubt for a second that General Oliver would have used the weapons, and he wouldn't have limited its use to a tactical attack on Dry Wells either. And the idea that the NCR would most likely use them despite seeing all around them what nukes have already done, in my opinion, makes the NCR the biggest known threat to the wasteland since the destruction of the enclave
I love how I never got the location of the box when I played my first legion playthrough because not only did he get jumped by merchants right after I fast traveled, vats decided to make me vibe check him instead of the merchants.
you can't help but notice the insane amount of attention that was put in dialogue when Vulpes, who 99.99% of players meet when they don't even know what the legion is, has an alternative dialogue if you meet him already having done several work to aid them. Such an insanely unlikely occurrence that could most likely only be discovered in a repeat playthru of the game is accounted for
Legion does really well with unarmed too. Maybe have some unarmed with your melee build. Almost every perk that applies for melee works with unarmed anyway, plus the legion has the special unarmed move you can learn from Lucius that can knock down targets. Knockdowns in NV are really strong to begin with. Combine that with the Scribe Counter from Veronica and unarmed becomes a pretty monstrous build to have as a secondary option with your melee.
God it would not of been hard to give fallout 4 this vibe, instead it feels like a sandbox shooter with the fallout soul ripped out dangled in front of you the whole time waiting for more
ive only ever done a legion ending once for the achievement, and boy i felt dirty doing it, its not even because they're evil, they're comically evil, half of the guys are just reddit incels, like why go for them
lots and lots of people are into all that edgy dialogue. I'm not sure why but they eat it up. same reason why Joshua Graham is so adored and worshipped. people like edgelords.
@Most Definitely a Human (and not a cat) i never played as the legion because i have no interest in getting an ending that IS in my opinion a terrible one, Ive only gotten yes Man and ncr ending, FNV is fun but no point in playing for an ending i dont want to get.
I don't remember getting anything useful out of the NCR other than the ammo depots in the form of merchants in the airport and the dam. It wasn't free tho.
Besides the radio (never actually used, idk if it's useful) after I think For the republic part 2 you get the key for a ranger hideout where you can get a recovered power armor, ranger armor and various weapons
Legion: Thanks for aiding us, in return you can access this safe house with useful gear. NCR: Yo I got this kickass walkie-talkie, here you can have it
Thanks for doing this. I like being the villain sometimes, but the slavery and frankly stagnating views as a society makes it hard to saddle up with the Legion. I usually use the hit squads as inconvenient supply replenishment.
@@alfieshepherd6522 what with child killing mods being so popular and just evil playthroughs in general, i'd say so. but i guess it just depends on the person. i just typically see more people be ok with other bad stuff in an evil playthrough, but then draw the line at enslavement.
"Youve done a good turn for the ncr and we'd like to do the same for you" vs "oh a profligate kindly fuck off" Oh boy i sure fucking wonder who i'd side with
Man, I’ve never seen this dialogue, I wonder why- *looks at reputations list* Vilified Vilified Vilified Vilified Vilified Vilified Vilified Vilified Right.
@@StealthTheFoxz Mr. House is pretty nice, especially toward the end of his questline. Especially in his ending, he talks about how much he appreciates you and how you exceeded his expectations. In his ending, he gives you access to all of his technologies at the Lucky 38 and on The Strip, quite possibly making you immortal too.
@@jackmartin6502 I love the Legion but Mr. House's charisma and personality wins me over every time, plus his mark 2 securitrons would wipe the floor with NCR or Legion.
How do you get idolized rep with the legion before getting the mark of Caesar, anyways? It always seems like there is almost nothing you can do pro legion in the game. Always bummed out they have the shortest story campaign other than doing as little work as possible for a yes man ending.
I don't think you can get idolized without getting the mark of Caesar; you can, however, get "accepted" (which will get you most of the things in this video) very early on by doing things like spreading word of Nipton's massacre, destroying Camp Forlorn Hope, doing the Camp Searchlight quests from Cottonwood Cove, and giving NCR dogtags to the centurion at Cottonwood Cove.
Actually - you theoretically CAN get idolized at any point early on, because the NCR dogtags are a limitless supply of reputation points for the legion.
@@michaeldicostanzo2720 how would you get the cottonwood cove dialog for your first time there so high before turning in thr tags though? Do you jsut auto get Caesar legion fame for destroying forlorn and searchlight?
@@ShaddySoldier First you receive the NCR quest to scope out Cottonwood Cove, and if you go to Auerelis of Phoenix and tell him what the NCR asked you to do, he will give you quest directions. There is no prerequisite Legion fame needed for this because the Legion will treat you normally if you are neutral with them.
There's just no reason to side with the Legion aside from novelty. Even if you look past the fact that they're poorer, more backward, less pragmatic, fundamentally childish and rely on the arbitrary whims of a would-be visionary...they don't even give you an evil 'high' if you side with them. When you're 'idolised' they're still so condescending. Like come on, if I'm deigning to play head butcher of the Mojave at the front of a slaving, raping and pillaging tribe of Roman LARPers, waving around a repurposed jungle machete like some overgrown kid with a stick, the least they could do is give me a cool Latin title. And I don't mean 'least annoying profligate'.
Starfield is still better than 3 and 4, i don't know why, but Bethesda just can't handle Fallout, their own IPs are far more enjoyable and entertaining.
@Max I think he means that Vulpes and his Frumentarii do more for the Legion war effort than the main army under Lanius. In the Legate's defence though, the only reason Vulpes gets to run circles around the Republic's GIs is because they're stretched too thin trying to keep the Monster of the East from overrunning the Colorado; even the Rangers, which are principally the Mojave's main defensive force, are almost all concentrated up North in preparation for the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, leaving only a few disparate bases and poorly-equipped trooper patrols to cover the entire territory South of Vegas.
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Ave amicus
Howdy p a r d n e r
Ave amogus
*nods*
Ave, true to Caesar
True to Caesar
Caesar’s legion is so uniform they all have the exact same voice. Inspiring.
I live in Arizona. We all talk like that.
@@khristian625So is it Tucson or Two Sun? 🤔
They never thought a player would get on good standings with the Legion
Average obsidian budget
When you are in a cult, everyone would start to sound the same.
"I wounder who this is"
*DISGUISED FRUMENTARIUS*
"well.."
It must have been the scent of olive oil that gave him away.
@@Daniel_Lancelin nah mate that's the lube dripping down his leg
@@h3069 Yeah, olive oil lube lmao.
@@Daniel_Lancelinolive oil is wild
@@Daniel_Lancelin”Olive Oil Lube” man, the italians sure do experiment
NCR missions: hey man can you deliver some food and medicine to this base?
Legion missions: terrorism
Lol!
@@МаксВеркут бороться за независимость Вегаса
Well, an under-equipped army needs to use better tactics than the well equipped army. David and Goliath or whatever.
shqiptar
@@pyro7358 yes.
1:24
"Good to see you, Amicus" *bolts away*
If the courier has evil karma, this might seem believable, the guy ran away out of fear 🤣
If the Courier is a friend of the Legion, they have to have evil karma.
@@DawidKov Not entirely. You can still do enough good in the Mojave to counteract bad karma.
The courier has terrifying presence
@@DawidKov Not at all. In fact, if you do side with the Legion with good karma, Ron the narrator comments on it at the end of the game
@@StealthTheFoxz Hey I might help the slavers, crucifiers, pillagers, rapists and terrorists but I still make the time to donate to the Followers every week. So don't you go calling me evil. Now if you'll excuse me I need to go kill those slaves forced to compete in the arena.
crazy how much better the writing is for this, and how much extra content you get by being a faction's friend, instead of just getting "another settlement needs your help"
@@gerald1495 tf are you on? Being able to pick and choose several factions to be allied with instead of “all vs one” is awesome. Being friends with the Khans, boomers, and remnants and getting to pick any of the major factions for them to follow is great! Better than anything Bethesda has done
@@gerald1495 Weak bait bro. No one unironically thinks that
@@Royal-bk9hv except being friendly with all the factions is entirely possible in Fallout 4 without them shooting at you for wearing the wrong hat.
@@gerald1495 You're defending the Fallout with the worst dialogue, the dumbest story, the most shallow themes, most repetitive and boring gameplay, the most unexciting open world, the most sleep-inducing exploration, and most non-existent RPG elements, and somehow HE'S the one who's 'glazing'?
@@The_GK1youre right
0:23: I love the subtle reference to the game’s respawn mechanic. It basically tells you that if you want your legion loot you better remember to go grab it.
I'm pretty sure hes just telling you that you can't use the dropbox as your own personal container, as items placed in them will be destroyed every time the loot respawns
@@kilincoons1993 yeah that’s also implied by what I said
No
they hardly even know how to fight
they hardly even know how to fight
they hardly even know how to fight
they hardly even know how to fight
Nyeheheyyy there's the high roller
they hardly even know how to fight
Friendly reminder for all not of the Legion : if you get access to the dropboxes, they'll still respawn for you, even if your faction relations plummet. My advice for optimal results is to gain enough favor with them to unlock it before deciding on who to actually side with.
But... that would require me NOT to shoot every legion dog I see...
@@ottovonbismarck7646 If I see a legionaire the bloodlust overtakes me and I immediately black out and wake up with vilified legion reputation, completely understandable
@@pilidod yes! Together we shall drive out the mongrel dogs of Ceasar's Legion of out Morro- I mean Nevada!
@@pilidod Found the NCRedditor
@@Roman_Imperator Nah, just hate slavers, simple as
NCR has its own problems that also makes me hate them but I have no reason to discuss my opinions on the factions past this point :)
It's weirdly heartwarming to hear Legion soldiers call you "amicus".
What does amicus mean?
@@jbarral6509 It means friend.
@@jbarral6509you’d think you can guess it by how close it sounds to amigos😂
Also "Amicable"
Latin is the root language for every common language
0:41 He just zips away.
truetocaesar *Scooby-Doo running noises*
He's speed
Got things to do I guess. Running behind schedule
Apparently, if I understood them correctly, the Legion thinks the residents of Nipton could hardly fight.
More accurately the Legion despises Nipton because they believe they're cowards who sell their services to anyone who asks, no matter the flag.
@@funninoriginal6054 So basically what everyone else would hate them for it's just the Legion goes a bit to far by most standards
They were nice enough to redecorate their town and implement a lottery system I don't think they hate them
I'm not sure, can you cite a source for that?
@@jack_L858 🤓
I just got this for the first time the other day and idk if it’s broken but one of the loot boxes had 56 stealth boys
Somehow the Legion has no use for that many stealth boys
Legion boys must've found the cache that the nightkin under REPCONN were looking for.
[enraged Antler noises]
I think it would have made them much more interesting as enemies if they used Stealthboys in game and would make sense in aiding their mission in the Mojave. Nightkin are big an semi obvious when "invisible" but humans with them in combat(like those few seen in Lonesome Road) definitely catch you off guard and that was cool.
The boxes are very broken, I got 4800 .308 rounds once.
I really wanna see how Vupes Inculta reacts to you when you first arrive in Nipton, when you're basically already at the end of the game and about to meet up with the Legate.
It'd be funny if it's the same "I won't have you lashed to a cross" and you be like,
"Bro, I am literally Ceasers right hand man and am about to win Hover Dam."
He actually recognizes you after he invited you to the fort. He even jests about wearing a Wolf Head and in overall seems to appreciate that you are around.
In that scenario Nipton is actually completely fine until the very end of the game, which I find interesting.
@@recursor9469it's more of a Schrodinger's Nipton where it's both bustling and destroyed, but you don't know until you check
if you're further into the questline without talking to him at nipton and then fast travel there, he will ask why you're so far from your objectives (aka all the way down at nipton) and won't give you the cold heart quest or whatever it's called.
@@Kamirasuit's very odd too since if Vulpus dies, a replacement Gabben will fill in at Nipton and say *he's* the one to commence Nipton's burning.
1:10 something tells me that they hardly even know how to fight
0:06 - 1:09 the voice acting budget had to go really far
Well an 18 month development time will do that, had to cut corners someplace.
@@Lambda_111 they hardly even know how to fight
@@Podzhagitel Did you mean to reply to that other comment chain down below or...?
@@Lambda_111 i was being meta
@@Podzhagitel K
Caesar: and now you've come to the fort to what? offer your services?
Oh, i see we're going to pretend that we're too cool to have invited someone lol
A Legion slave named "Siri." Lol.
Yeah. Like the Siri bot in the IPhones.
Hearing lines like this is why I don't wear faction armour
The NCR veteran armour does look really cool.
@@paleface171 riot armour looks the same and has better stats
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@@marquisduhsade and you won't be attacked on sight by the Legion either, which is a plus.
1:36 Legionary really said uwu amogus
amogus!!
You’re the degenerates going to be crucified that they regularly speak of
Sussus Amogus is a friend of Caesar
I hate you.
Shudup...
“Ave, amicus.”
“Ave, among us.”
I noticed that the Legion despite being more or less the "bad guys" seem to truly appreciate those who help them. The NCR forces you to join them to get benefits, whereas the Legion willingly gives you items for free just for being an ally to them.
Not so much a matter of appreciation but doctrine. The NCR prefers to use their own guys whereas the Legion uses a wide variety of auxiliaries.
The NCR are only the "good guys" because the game wasn't finished. There's not enough instances reading available to see their corruption. Them killing off stragglers who get near their water for instance.
It's a shane there's only say much corruption available to see from them in the base game. Them being goons for the biggest rangers for instance is pure tyranny.
Doctrine+they scared of you. That's why you are the exception to their rules (specially apparent if you are a female courier)
@@rimaq_can you say the same thing about all factions?
Also Caesar gives you Benny's head for free.
Hey, if you want to be idolized by both the NCR and the Legion whilst doing a Mr House or a Yes Man playthrough, commit as many crimes against the Legion, including nuking them, and ONLY them at the end of Lonesome Road, which should give you the idolized reputation with thw NCR. And then only head to the strip and get pardoned by Vulpes or Alerio. Then span as many MCR dogtags and give them to Alerius of Pheonix for a Legion rep boost. Do that until you get idolized and you should either stay idolized until the end of the game or sometimes you might get one of those reputation levels like Wild Child, which works differently for either of them. The NCR trooper and rangers won't attack you with that reputation level but the Legion will
Delightfully Devilish, Seymour.
Doesn't doing the main quest activate "Dont Tread On The Bear" and the Legion's equivalent, making it impossible to stay friendly with both factions?
@@zombiefanatic4833 yes but if you do things that don't impact either of them, then they won't send the death squads after you. Always worked like a charm. Also you know that gas station that nearby the billboard where you find the lonesome drifter? If you ever fast travel there whilst having their death squads after you, just take a good look around yourself and if you notice them, RUN LIKE HELL. This is how I got the Legion death squads off mu back when they started going after me
It wasnt until this video that i realized i recognize ceasars voice, its John Doman aka "Major Rawls" from the wire
0:16 that voice crack
Lmaooo how’d I never notice
DROPBO0ox
I always love the good ole legion play through! One of my favorites
double-triple-quadruple agent for the win
Talking to Caesar is very interesting, isn't it?
@@neighbor472 I love when you ask him why are you killing the president, he totally totally roasts you
@@tymeier7570 unironically tho
I would love the Legion minus the slave part. Like they have little girls as slaves, they are using little girls as sex slaves so that is just really offputting to me
Vulpes has the greatest Fallout voice I've observed.
I took my Legion playthrough to the extremes. In a TTW game (Tale of Two Wastelands mod that combines Fallouts 3 and New Vegas into a single massive game) my Frumentariius, Hanlon Graham, went all the way to the Capital Wasteland when Caesar commands you to destroy the Brotherhood of Steel, infiltrated the organization, and then during the Broken Steel DLC, used the Enclave satellite missiles to target and destroy the Citadel, wiping out both chapters.
ive never been able to use at 100% that mod xD
Bro is the Terminator
Bro took the job too seriously
Haha nice
Is that on Nexus mods?
Once I get those shades, all bets are off
I love doing the Double Agent playthrough, get in good with the legion and then "Take Care" of Caesar's brain tumor
OHH ME TO MAN. so i am not the only man who do it.
Try being a Triple Agent then
Monster.
@@seronymus wouldnt that be theoretically impossible without mods? et tumor brute starts after the cutoff where the other main faction quests autofail
imagine a quadruple agent though, doing each questline until the cutoff, then finishing with yesman's quests
Really happy to see your viewership go up again, you make really great content for Fallout, things I haven't seen before and I've been playing FNV since release.
Holy shit! Over a decade and many, many, playthroughs later and I've only just realised that Caesar is voiced by Rawls from The Wire!
bruh, you gotta become a terrorist just to start being called "Amogus".
Well, when you think about it, the Frumentarii are imposters that go around sabotaging infrastructure, so it tracks.
Unlike NCR they not use you for stupid things
These videos help show me how many different characters each voice actor is used for 😂 when you're playing the game it's not as noticeable but in a video it's a slap to the face
Love to see stuff like this return in FO5 whenever that is 4 has a couple encounters like this but the FONV way was the best ever
It's a real shame that Legion content is lacking. So much of the game is NCR-related, sidequest or mainquest. Legion, in spite of being one of the primary factions, only has a small handful of sidequests. I wish the game map were larger, with Vegas in the center north, slightly westward, but the west being NCR and part of California, and the east being Legion and part of Colorado. The river should've run roughly through the middle. It'd be neat to see the polarity of life between the west and the east, as well as the skirmishes along the border. I believe that, if the Legion had more quests and characters, they'd be appreciated more. Still, their rep reward rewards are so much better than any other faction, so I suppose that's an incentive: lucky shades, and those weekly boxes have amazing stuff in there - at the very worst, you'll still get a lot of money through Denari and selling the stuff you don't want, on top of Denari being used for Coin Shot 12 gauge shells.
I feel like the legion would be more appreciated if they weren't so cartoonishly evil lol
@@amygobrrrThat's exactly what I was going to say, no amount of new content is going to make up for the fact that they enslave people and regularly commit genocide.
@@supremegroden3021 taking slaves, crucifying people, treating women like shit isn't plenty cartoonish to you? the fact groups of people have been as bad or worse in real life doesn't mean the legion aren't the unambiguously evil faction with basically no redeeming qualities
@@amygobrrrThat's not cartoonish at all. They have their own solid reasons to do such things despite the moral bankruptcy, making them complex antagonists that fit in post-apocalypse theme. Legion are the pragmatic lawful evil in this case with their unapologetic brutal discipline.
I don't think its fair to say that they have no redeeming qualities, Caesar's law may be brutal, and many actions and elements of the legion may be immoral (by modern standards certainly). But along with that brutality and control, Caesar brought peace and prosperity to Arizona, Colerado and Utah by unifying all of the groups of tribals and raiders under his banner by force. No, the territories under Caesars legion are not a nice place to live, but they were subject to much more savagery, evil and barbarity before the Legion took control. This is evidenced by a quotation by Raul Tejada (the companion that the courier finds in Black Mountain) when asking what he thinks of the legion. He says as follows:
"I don't really have a problem with them. People around here tend to see them as invading marauders planning to burn and pillage the countryside. But I've been to Arizona, boss. Before the Legion, it was a nasty place, so thick with raiders you couldn't trade with a town two miles up the road. Caesar's laws aren't nice, and their actions aren't always pretty. But then, neither am I, but you keep me around."
This is further evidenced by a quotation from Caesar himself:
"I used imperial Rome as the model for my Legion precisely because it was so foreign, so alien. I'd seen what had become of the NCR's attempts to emulate the culture of Pre-War America - the in-fighting, the corruption. Rome was a highly militarized autocracy that effectively integrated the foreign cultures it conquered. It dedicated its citizens to something higher than themselves - to the idea of Rome itself. In Rome I found a template for a society equal to the challenges of the post-apocalyptic world - a society that could and would survive. A society that could prevent mankind from fracturing and destroying itself in this new world, by establishing a new Pax Romana."
The truth of the matter is that the Legion is no more inherently evil than the NCR (In fact, less so in some cases. Don't forget that the NCR massacred women and children in bitter springs, which the legion do not. Not to mention, the NCR slaughtered all enclave personnel that they discovered in Navarro, including civilians, for 'war crimes', which considering there are no records of any enclave survivors on base shows that there were no fair trials or assignment of responsibilities. Ie; the man that cleans the mess hall is equally as much an enemy as the man who kidnaps vault dwellers in a vertibird)
And though possibly not a deliberate atrocity, the NCR also shares a responsibility for what happened in The Divide, for paying the courier in the first place to deliver the transmitter that detonated the nukes. (But considering how meticulously the Enclave kept their records, I find it very hard to believe that the NCR had no idea what this device was or what it was meant to do)
And you even see through the events of the game itself, that the NCR is prepared to do near-enough anything as immoral as the legion if it will get them the results that they want. (Destabilizing New-Vegas by eliminating House. Paying mercs to antagonise Jacobstown so they can destroy it. Stealing land from its inhabitants then forcing them to pay taxes and slaughtering anyone who questions it)
There are also plenty of lines of dialogue in-game that points to the corruption that's deeply entrenched in the NCR (at virtually every level from the Presidents themselves to the lowliest privates) The closer you look at them, you start to see a lot of the worst of Pre-War America within the NCR as an organisation. They have near-all the qualities that lead to the nuclear hellfire Great War in the first place, and have already done it again albeit on a more minor scale in the divide.
So when you look at it? The legion isn't just the edgy evil faction, and the NCR isn't just the good guy trying to bring peace. They are both different sides to the same coin, and though their ideologies differ, I think it is safe to say that they both share a puritanical and absolutist nature. I think that's the beauty of New Vegas though, if you take the game at more than its face-value, it can have some very valuable lessons to teach you. The conflict between the NCR and the Legion, amongst other things, teaches that morality and righteousness isn't always black and white, in fact most of the time its grey.
For both of these factions, the ends justify the means. But there is one crucial difference. Caesar has the ambition of turning the wastes into a civilization that can withstand the severity and brutality of the apocalypse. The NCR seeks only to expand so that it can become more powerful. The NCR is concerned chiefly (as was the Capitalist America pre-war) with what toys they have, what toys their neighbours have, and what they can forcefully take from their neighbour. To crave power for powers sake is dangerous, and it shows by the fact alone that the NCR actually has a lot more destruction (civilisations, towns and communities completely and entirely wiped out with no survivors and no mercy) in its history than the legion does. And for that reason, I would honestly say that the NCR is the bigger antagonist of the Mojave and Post-War America.
(PS; On a side note, it doesn't necessarily corelate with what I've said, and it isn't canon as it isn't within the game. But as I was writing this, I considered the ending of the Lonesome Road DLC. I had wondered what may happen if it wasn't the courier who braved the divide to reach Ulysses' Temple where the active ICBMs are, but instead either General Oliver or Caesar.. This drove me to think of each factions attitude towards technology. The legion is distrustful of it, this is in part due to Caesar's belief that a reliance on advanced technology makes you weaker, and due to his correct observation that it is responsible for the wasteland in the first place. With that being said, if Caesar had discovered Ulysses' Temple, I believe he would have either left the nuclear weapons undisturbed OR even attempt to have them permanently disarmed. Looking at the NCRs attitude towards tech and weapons however? I don't doubt for a second that General Oliver would have used the weapons, and he wouldn't have limited its use to a tactical attack on Dry Wells either.
And the idea that the NCR would most likely use them despite seeing all around them what nukes have already done, in my opinion, makes the NCR the biggest known threat to the wasteland since the destruction of the enclave
Everyone: "Hey, you're a good friend. How about some stuff?"
I love how I never got the location of the box when I played my first legion playthrough because not only did he get jumped by merchants right after I fast traveled, vats decided to make me vibe check him instead of the merchants.
Same but it was camp searchlight troopers for me
you can't help but notice the insane amount of attention that was put in dialogue when Vulpes, who 99.99% of players meet when they don't even know what the legion is, has an alternative dialogue if you meet him already having done several work to aid them. Such an insanely unlikely occurrence that could most likely only be discovered in a repeat playthru of the game is accounted for
THIS. Most games would have forced you to already have that encounter or messed up and not account for your actions, but this one did.
This makes me want to do a legion play through melee build
Legion does really well with unarmed too. Maybe have some unarmed with your melee build. Almost every perk that applies for melee works with unarmed anyway, plus the legion has the special unarmed move you can learn from Lucius that can knock down targets. Knockdowns in NV are really strong to begin with. Combine that with the Scribe Counter from Veronica and unarmed becomes a pretty monstrous build to have as a secondary option with your melee.
Try a jack-of-all-trades legion spy build and put points in everything, very fun and more quests if you help the ncr before sabotaging them.
"True to Caesar!"
> *Usain Bolts away*
God it would not of been hard to give fallout 4 this vibe, instead it feels like a sandbox shooter with the fallout soul ripped out dangled in front of you the whole time waiting for more
0:52 so that's the line The Frontier was taking as example, I see...
I don't get it...
@@justsomeguywithlasereyes9920 "Courier" word in every damn dialogue.
We don't talk about "the frontier" here..
the frumentarii speeding off right side after talking was funny
When one man voices half of the game, is it really different people?
I killed vulpes in nipton on my first play through. Didn’t realize he actually did stuff in the game
I'ma buy a PC just to play this game
Let me tell you that you might have made the best decision yet.
@@TheAtomicWarrior I've been saying that for years tho I'm poor it sux I can only watch videos about fallout 3 and new vegas right now it sux
buy two pc's and play it twice
Its on PS3 and 360 too, not as good but works fine.
You don't need an expensive one to play the game just fine.
"True to Caesar."
*runs faster than any human before*
1 sentence every real man wants to hear in his life
"You've proven yourself to be a true friend of the Legion"
"The NCR has branded you a terrorist."
I find it very unnerving to see them without their armour
We wont go quietly, the leigon can count on that
"We won't go quietly"
*Proceeds to get rolled in every fight by a bunch of larpers with spears*
Well of course you do have "one bullet saved just for me."
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
It is always nice to see all the instances of reputation at work.
I'm really enjoying the Legion content.
Why ?
@@mattiaskalstrum5649 Because it's fun probably.
I like how they used Caesar's dialogue lines regarding the enemy of the legion and ncr, they are almost identical xD
ive only ever done a legion ending once for the achievement, and boy i felt dirty doing it, its not even because they're evil, they're comically evil, half of the guys are just reddit incels, like why go for them
I love being comically evil. Also romans are awesome
lots and lots of people are into all that edgy dialogue. I'm not sure why but they eat it up.
same reason why Joshua Graham is so adored and worshipped. people like edgelords.
it is still a genuine wonder to me why evil playthroughs are taboo like I just want to get the achievements dawg
>Muh reddit inc-ACK!
Yeah no a "reddit incel" would still do the mental gymnastics to go against the legion. That's how redditors work.
You exude reddit energy
There are perks of being in the legion
Dialogue lines I've never seen in all of my 10+ play throughs.
10+ playthroughs wasted then
True to Caesar
@Most Definitely a Human (and not a cat) I've only ever done Legion runs because I hate California that much
@Most Definitely a Human (and not a cat) yeah, only badge of honor is not siding with NCR, and I carry it with pride.
@Most Definitely a Human (and not a cat) i never played as the legion because i have no interest in getting an ending that IS in my opinion a terrible one, Ive only gotten yes Man and ncr ending, FNV is fun but no point in playing for an ending i dont want to get.
@@b_de_silvait's not like your enslaving a actual Mojave. The questline is still fun, the cake is the campaign the slideshow is a cherry
The voice actor sounds like Blood Meridian audiobook narration.
Is it actually the audiobook narration actor?
no redditor will ever experience this
Amen
Half of this game's fanbase consists of redditors
@@twinzzlers loud minority
Chaotic good is a drug
YesMan is the true way.
1:25 I can never let the disrespect slide, he straight up threatens you like I just can't have that
I don't remember getting anything useful out of the NCR other than the ammo depots in the form of merchants in the airport and the dam. It wasn't free tho.
you get a radio to call in some cannon fodder
Besides the radio (never actually used, idk if it's useful) after I think For the republic part 2 you get the key for a ranger hideout where you can get a recovered power armor, ranger armor and various weapons
Legion: Thanks for aiding us, in return you can access this safe house with useful gear.
NCR: Yo I got this kickass walkie-talkie, here you can have it
Wow, I've never actually heard this dialogue
I just don't have it in me to do a Legion playthrough
Man, Razer really fell off in his search for Aya
Bro still at it over 10 goddamn years later.
Love those occasional little head nods
Some of the slaves have been spreading stories about the BURNED man again 😒
I love the polite little nod at 1:39.
Both the NCR and the Legion are entirely voiced by 2 guys, they are more alike than they'd like to admit
bros like I'll take you to me at once
what?
@@orion3253 it's the same voice actor
Thanks for doing this. I like being the villain sometimes, but the slavery and frankly stagnating views as a society makes it hard to saddle up with the Legion. I usually use the hit squads as inconvenient supply replenishment.
i dont get why people who like doing evil playthroughs are so hung up about slavery when they're usually a-okay with murder
@@joeyroberts4031Are they OK with murder? I've seen plenty of people say they feel bad about killing innocent NPCs
@@alfieshepherd6522 what with child killing mods being so popular and just evil playthroughs in general, i'd say so. but i guess it just depends on the person. i just typically see more people be ok with other bad stuff in an evil playthrough, but then draw the line at enslavement.
@@joeyroberts4031I mean would you rather be killed or enslaved? I’d much rather death than servitude.
@@kakyoin9688 thats dumb logic its still bad either way. its not like you're them anyways.
"Youve done a good turn for the ncr and we'd like to do the same for you" vs "oh a profligate kindly fuck off"
Oh boy i sure fucking wonder who i'd side with
They hardly even know how to fight!
I love how the legion npcs just sprint around after talking. Just
"Travel safe courier" 🏃🏼♂️💨
For the amount of stuff I receive on a consistent basis, legion runs are definitely worth it
That strip dialogue is unchanged.
Man, I’ve never seen this dialogue, I wonder why-
*looks at reputations list*
Vilified
Vilified
Vilified
Vilified
Vilified
Vilified
Vilified
Vilified
Right.
1:40 Hey Siri look up 'shackles' oh wait the internet is down forever.
Meanwhile. NCR treats you like shit the whole game even if idolized.
They both do. Really the only mainline "faction" who treats you with respect is Yes Man, since he's got no choice.
@@StealthTheFoxz I don't see how the legion here treated you like shit
@@StealthTheFoxz Mr. House is pretty nice, especially toward the end of his questline. Especially in his ending, he talks about how much he appreciates you and how you exceeded his expectations. In his ending, he gives you access to all of his technologies at the Lucky 38 and on The Strip, quite possibly making you immortal too.
@@jackmartin6502 I wish I could kiss Mr House
@@jackmartin6502 I love the Legion but Mr. House's charisma and personality wins me over every time, plus his mark 2 securitrons would wipe the floor with NCR or Legion.
I have to this day never completed a legion playthrough. Every time I try I end up drifting back to either independent or NCR endings.
You should make a video on the location of the safe house and drop box
They both give you map markers once you unlock them
Nice try, NCR
@@Hunter-os5yx ok ty for the info
Anyone notice that every npc before vulpes had the same voice actor
Welcome to Vegas.
I hate having to help these guys to get the lucky shades.
Ave True to Caesar, you cuckold
Degenerates like you belong on the cross
"THEY HARDLY EVEN KNOW HOW TO FIGHT"
How do you get idolized rep with the legion before getting the mark of Caesar, anyways? It always seems like there is almost nothing you can do pro legion in the game. Always bummed out they have the shortest story campaign other than doing as little work as possible for a yes man ending.
I don't think you can get idolized without getting the mark of Caesar; you can, however, get "accepted" (which will get you most of the things in this video) very early on by doing things like spreading word of Nipton's massacre, destroying Camp Forlorn Hope, doing the Camp Searchlight quests from Cottonwood Cove, and giving NCR dogtags to the centurion at Cottonwood Cove.
Actually - you theoretically CAN get idolized at any point early on, because the NCR dogtags are a limitless supply of reputation points for the legion.
@@michaeldicostanzo2720 how would you get the cottonwood cove dialog for your first time there so high before turning in thr tags though? Do you jsut auto get Caesar legion fame for destroying forlorn and searchlight?
Oh I guess you can always nuke the ncr from lonesome road too. You can do that before any quests if you are a masochist
@@ShaddySoldier First you receive the NCR quest to scope out Cottonwood Cove, and if you go to Auerelis of Phoenix and tell him what the NCR asked you to do, he will give you quest directions. There is no prerequisite Legion fame needed for this because the Legion will treat you normally if you are neutral with them.
"true to caesar" "good to see you amicus" bolts the fuck away
True to Caesar!
*scurries away*
Ave Caesar
Ok I’ll replay new Vegas for the millionth time
There's just no reason to side with the Legion aside from novelty. Even if you look past the fact that they're poorer, more backward, less pragmatic, fundamentally childish and rely on the arbitrary whims of a would-be visionary...they don't even give you an evil 'high' if you side with them. When you're 'idolised' they're still so condescending.
Like come on, if I'm deigning to play head butcher of the Mojave at the front of a slaving, raping and pillaging tribe of Roman LARPers, waving around a repurposed jungle machete like some overgrown kid with a stick, the least they could do is give me a cool Latin title. And I don't mean 'least annoying profligate'.
Looks like we found the ox horn fanboy
I mean taking the dam with the legion and khan's is way more fun that defending it
exactly lol. Mr House the best
To each their own. I definitely felt powerful and merciless doing a playthrough with them.
Hey, choice is a choice.
they're so much nicer to us than the NCR
compare this writing to starfield lmao
Starfield is still better than 3 and 4, i don't know why, but Bethesda just can't handle Fallout, their own IPs are far more enjoyable and entertaining.
This is something would have see by myself, thanks for the video and know something different.
Rather ironic you get better rewards for being friends of legion than a slave of NCR
They should be using the vocative case of amicus, which is amice
NCR: Gives useless radio
LEGION: Gives a sht ton of caps, coins, ammo, food, water in stash.
duh
have you come, seeking your death, Profligate?
The Legion is much more threatening and effective as a guerrilla army than Roman larpers.
I mean they’re kinda both but at the end of the day they are an organized army of tribes tied to two men that be Caesar and his hound.
Why not both?
They are amazing saboteurs and spies, and the armor looks fantastic.
@Max I think he means that Vulpes and his Frumentarii do more for the Legion war effort than the main army under Lanius. In the Legate's defence though, the only reason Vulpes gets to run circles around the Republic's GIs is because they're stretched too thin trying to keep the Monster of the East from overrunning the Colorado; even the Rangers, which are principally the Mojave's main defensive force, are almost all concentrated up North in preparation for the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, leaving only a few disparate bases and poorly-equipped trooper patrols to cover the entire territory South of Vegas.
if you know how to abuse the reputation in this game, you can get rich off of the legion real quick before endgame
true to caesar
What can i do for you?
Yes, goodbye!